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See Star Trek ‘Kids Trailer’ Aired During Kid’s Choice Awards (w/ Analysis) + Pine Appearance March 29, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

As reported on Friday, a new kid-friendly trailer for the Star Trek movie is running with Monsters vs. Aliens this weekend (2D version only). Yesterday this trailer ran during the Kid’s Choice Awards on Nickelodeon, which also included an appearance by Chris Pine. See below to watch the remixed trailer (with a couple of new things) and to also check out Pine’s appearance.

 

 

Hey kids watch Star Trek – it’s exciting!
This new trailer is specifically aimed at a younger crowd and is mostly based on the first theatrical trailer, but removes the more violent and sexy parts. There are also images from some of the newer trailers and a few new bits thrown in (see below for more on that).For now this trailer is not on any official site, but is available at YouTube.
 

Pine goes for the youth vote
Chris Pine (the new Kirk) also appeared on the Nickelodeon’s Kid’s Choice Awards. He along with America Ferrera (Ugly Betty), gave out the award for Best Movie. (and he was not slimed)


CLICK TO SEE AT NICKELODEON.COM

The LA Times caught up with Pine on the Kid’s Choice red carpet, where he answered some questions, check it out.


Pine signs for Kid’s on red carpet

 

Kids-friendly trailer screencaps & analysis
[SPOILERS]

The new commercial has just a few new things. Some are new angles or extensions of previously seen things, but there is one brand new scene as well. All detailed below.

Click images to enlarge

Extended views of previously seen stuff
Three of the new shots are from scenes we have seen in previous trailers


New shot of Baby Spock


Spock baby from same scene seen in Trailer #2 (first theatrical) of Spock’s Parents: Amanda Grayson (Winona Ryder) and Sarek (Ben Cross)


New shot of Spock (Zachary Quinto) at Vulcan council


Part of this scene first shown in Trailer #2


New shot Uhura (Zoe Saldana) and Spock hugging


This is another angle of hug first seen in Trailer #3

First US view
Kids trailer also contains a short scene that was shown in some international versions of Trailer #3



Uhura asks Kirk (Chris Pine) if he knows what he is doing after he takes command

New Scene
The big news of the Kids trailer is the three seconds from a scene (and set) that are revealed for the first time.




New shots of Scotty (Simon Pegg) trapped inside water pipes on board the Enterprise after beaming on board from Delta Vega


New shot of Kirk as seen by Scotty inside water pipes (note: Kirk wearing jacket he had on when beamed in from Delta Vega with Scotty)


New shot of Kirk (now without jacket) trying to figure out how to get Scotty out of the Enterprise water pipes


‘Scotty in water pipes’ scene explains why he appears wet when he utters his "I like this ship…it’s exciting" line (as seen first in Trailer #2)

More trailer analysis and details
And in case you missed it, check out our previous shot-by-shot analyses:

Much of the above analysis is based on scenes in the trailer that were also shown during the 20-minute press preview held last Fall. For more on that see TrekMovie full analysis.

Comments

1. Nodar08 - March 29, 2009

sweet…..

2. Aragorn189 - March 29, 2009

Scotty stuck in the Enterprise’s water pipes? I thought that was a job relegated to the his engineering Red Shirts. LOL. Taking a bit of inspiration from Star Trek V.

“I know this ship like the back of my hand.” (Knocked out by low hanging bulkhead)

3. Selor - March 29, 2009

Scotty ftw! ^^

4. C!onk - March 29, 2009

Awesome. Love to see more normal scenes instead of 5 milisecond action cuts. Shows a lot more of the movie.

5. Darkwing - March 29, 2009

yay, the truth is revealed about the pipes!

6. SirMartman - March 29, 2009

ST: TFB is goning to rock my socks !

7. thorsten - March 29, 2009

“The notion of transwarp beaming is like trying to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet while wearing a blindfold, riding a horse.”

–Montgomery Scott

8. Captain Alex - March 29, 2009

Awesome!! That Scotty in the pipes thing looks interesting, I wonder how he got there?

9. Darkwing - March 29, 2009

i’m quoting that in my sig on my forum, that’s good! is that from an ep or movie or something?

10. Spock - March 29, 2009

im sorry but spock looks too much like a male sandra bullock

11. cpelc - March 29, 2009

sandra bullspock?

12. Will_H - March 29, 2009

Its funny how the rest of the ship looks all high tech and yet there’s parts that look like they could just be a warehouse. Actually, I guess it’s more realistic in a way, no point in dressing up the water pump system on a star ship, but I’ll have to wait till I see the whole thing. As far as Scotty getting trapped in there, Im still a bit WTF on that.

13. Brian - March 29, 2009

“this film is not yet rated” What do you mean it’s not rated?
I thought it was PG-13?

14. fred - March 29, 2009

At least he didn’t beam into the sewage treatment pipes.

I have a bad feeling about this scene, it could be really goofy. We’ll see! Perhaps this is the engineering shots we heard about filmed at a factory, and what we are in is below-decks where the water treatment section is. Pehaps those scenes don’t represent the engineering room after all, like we head heard, which is good news.

But that shot of Spock at the council is sweet, so much like Nimoy there.

15. senwod - March 29, 2009

Sorry to say it, because I like the rest of the stuff that they’ve been doing, if this is engineering, its WRETCHED. It’s supposed to house a warp core, not the boiler room.

16. JoBlo - March 29, 2009

The water pipe thing looks pathetic.

Hopefully that’s a deleted scene that they just thought would appeal to kids.

It looked so stupid that it scared me a bit. I’m still excited for this but that’s the first thing that I haven’t liked.

So through this we’ve learned, either A.) kids are dumb. B.) advertisers think kids are dumb.

KIds will watch movies with old people if the adventure looks exciting throwing arbitrary kid shots into the commercial doesn’t really seem to me like it would make a difference.

I always think that’s lame.

17. Selor - March 29, 2009

@15 Maybe it IS the Boiler Room OF the Main Engineering ;)

18. NaradaAlpha - March 29, 2009

LOL…Scotty stuck in the pipes.. xD ‘Hope ya like our little aquarium…’ xD –Scotty to Gillian Taylor in Star Trek 4 …

19. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE - March 29, 2009

I like this trailer….it’s….come on, come on, say it….it’s exciting…lol….once again another dimension is added to the essence in just a few scenes…man I cannot wait…but I’ll have to….oh well.

20. The Governator - March 29, 2009

Scotty stuck in Enterprise water pipes? lol. Well, I guess that answers the question about whether or not its engineering. This movie sounds very fun.

21. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 29, 2009

Bailey

For the love of sweet jesus you were right. Good Lord we have STeampunk engineering (or some sort of water reclamation plant) on the E. This is the first thing I have actually cringed at.

Yikes!!!!

22. Chrono - March 29, 2009

I didn’t think that was the main engineering room when I saw it. I don’t know what the fuss is about. They’re obviously water pipes. And why get upset about something you cannot place in context without seeing the film? wow

23. ThePhaige - March 29, 2009

The notion of this being engineering is speculative. I dont see this as engineering I see it as others have said a water treatment zone or a perhaps
a part of engineering we have never seen before is more like it.

24. thorsten - March 29, 2009

@14, 15…

This is not engineering.

25. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 29, 2009

And there is no way this E is the same size as the original. No way. That set alone looks to be twice the size of the TMP engineering set. Look how far back the really furturistic 1950’s Bottling plant yellow painted pipes and scafolding go.

Either they got the scale wrong on the finished CGI model in comparison with the shots we saw in the original teaser or whatever but this Enterprise is HUGE, Glactica Huge

26. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE - March 29, 2009

Why in the world would some water pipes get folks upset…have any of you ever been on an ocean going vessel? On cruise ships, the bridge is very high tech, the passenger areas very detailed and the lower crew decks and engineering are designed for a purpose, not aesthetics..Geez….I think the team is really going for a true to life feel…so far, so good in my book….and how in the world is this trailer an insult to kids?

27. darendoc - March 29, 2009

Haven’t seen something like this since Willy Wonka.

28. thorsten - March 29, 2009

That is right, Garth.
The scenes of the ship’s innards are shot in a lot of different locations,
not just soundstages. There are some huge rooms involved.

29. Dyson Sphere - March 29, 2009

Good trailer, helps the youth marketing. Bring it on.

30. Jeffrey - March 29, 2009

This trailer was shown in front of “Monsters vs. Aliens” this weekend.

31. Jordan - March 29, 2009

The hell? Water pipes? Looks bad.

32. sean - March 29, 2009

Maybe we’ll finally see a toilet in this version of Star Trek ;)

33. Jim - March 29, 2009

If that’s Engineering, it’s drek. Star Drek, more likely…

34. Selor - March 29, 2009

@32 OH YEAH! Scotty crawling out of a Toilet with a shocked Ensign that was washing his hands!

35. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 29, 2009

Dirty Daren !!!

Trek Remastered water reclamation plant stat!!!

Seriously did they get the scale wrong or is this E alot bigger than the Original??

In the teaser trailer the outer saucer rim seemed to have room for 4 decks high which is twice as tall as the TMP outer saucer rim. But in the recent shts we have seen the portholes appear to be about the same size. So are are the portholes alot larger and the interior of the ship much more spacious or did they fudge the scale

36. MaybeThisMovieWontSuck - March 29, 2009

Movie looks very good so far. Just hope the pipes scene isn’t too over-the-top.

I don’t like the idea of Scotty being the over-done comic relief. Like the guy from National Treasure.

In the show Scotty was awesome, so far in the movies, not so much.

37. Liz - March 29, 2009

Quinto look gorgeous. What a great trailer!

38. Robert - March 29, 2009

There was a brief description of engineering in an article months ago. The warp core was described as being similar to the nuclear reactor room of a sub. Imagine the scene from ST4 where Uhura and Chekov are on the Carrier Enterprise in the reactor room. They wanted something more realistic than the old flashy lights going up a long tube that started with TMP. I seriously doubt that a real Antimatter reactor would be that showy or even be that accessible. Its not like you can just pop the hood and watch the motor run. :)

39. thorsten - March 29, 2009

Pegg is a very physical comedian, they put that to good use…

40. The Last Maquis - March 29, 2009

Oh so now Uhura “Sure” Hopes he Knows what He’s Doing…. Scotty Stuck in Pipes!??? are you sure Lucas Didn’t Guest write any of This movie?? ……it just seems Stupid Doesn’t It??

41. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#26

Well, I think the point people are making is: This is the Enterprise of about 200 years in the future, why the hell should it look like sea going vessel of today ? I don’t think any space going vessel will be designed along those lines.

Besides here’s an example, how engineering of a modern vessel (from 10 years ago) looks like:

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/stena_voyager_1996_inr_2.htm
http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/stena_voyager_1996_inr_1.htm

42. MC1 Doug - March 29, 2009

#40: ‘it just seems stupid, doesn’t it?”

Oh contrare… I think it looks, dare I say it?

“I like this ship, it’s exciting!”

Paramount is sparing nothing in promoting this film to various ages and groups!

43. sean - March 29, 2009

#40

Not really. Uhura’s line reminds me of McCoy’s comment in Trek III:

McCoy: No shields?

Kirk: My guess is right, they’ll have to decloak before they can fire.

McCoy: May all your guesses be right.

Besides, Uhura doesn’t know Kirk in this movie, hasn’t served beside him for years. Why should she trust him?

44. Christine - March 29, 2009

LOOOOOOL. “I sure hope you know what you’re doing.” But, I swear to GOD she sounded a lot like Hoshi in that line. Hehe! x3

And, aw, Spock was just the cutest little baby. But, then again, like 99% of all babies are adorable. ♥

45. BP - March 29, 2009

@43, Uhuru does know Kirk, she knows him from his delinquent pre-Academy days .. which would explain why she doesn’t have a whole lot of faith in him.

46. TrekVSucky - March 29, 2009

No way its a deleted scene…no other explanation for Scotty being wet when he comes on the bridge. Emergency transport gone awry?

47. thorsten - March 29, 2009

@46…

The first Transwarp Beaming ever…

48. Anthony Pascale - March 29, 2009

added new poll on how old you were when you became a fan?

49. Jote - March 29, 2009

Anthony, fix that “TV Commercial #3″ link, it points to post editing

50. SciFiGeek - March 29, 2009

Oh for F##k sake! They show a bit of humour, fans complain. They show action, fans complain. They have a young cast, fans complain.

You just cant win.

51. OneBuckFilms - March 29, 2009

Whats the bet that while Kirk beams onto a normal deck, Scotty materializes inside a water pipe !!!

It could be that Scotty’s engineering knowledge helps get him out.

It tells me that Scotty is a little bit of a mad scientits, well mad Engineer, with a bit of a wild streak in him.

52. JimJ - March 29, 2009

Anthony: Any way you can confirm or deny for us that the water pipes are/are not from main engineering? Anyway, I have no issue with this if it’s handled right. People just need to calm down. It isn’t going to be like the main engineering we all know form other Trek’s. It’s just like the bridge isn’t the same, either. We’ll live, just like we live with the batmobile of today. Remember the outcry when the first photo of it hit before Batman Begins? Chill, dudes and dudettes! lol

53. jeffery wright - March 29, 2009

in the future, plumbing will use clear pipes, for some reason.

so thirsty… i’ll just hit the drinking fountain…. slurp… is that a hint of cheeky scot, i detect?

must be cold on planet vulcan, hence the thick, toasty sweater.

54. OneBuckFilms - March 29, 2009

53 – That is actually a very practical choice.

It is a great advantage for an Engineer to see a blockage physically in the pipe, or to see what’s actually happening.

55. Mugz - March 29, 2009

I have to say, the whole waterpipes things SOUNDS (and looks!) really stupid and goofy… very prequal-era George Lucas! Lets hope that in context it works, and that Scotty isn’t just played for laughs as seems to be the case in the trailers… Hope we get to see him do some serious work in engineering and saving ‘the old girl’ from flying apart at warp 10 and so on :)

I’m still clinging to the notion that Mr Nimoy wouldn’t have been persuaded back if the script wasn’t a solid one, so judgements reserved until opening day.

56. Steven - March 29, 2009

Looks great! Coming down to the one-month mark here in just over a week. I’m getting antsy. Come on, May 8th!

God bless!

57. ucdom - March 29, 2009

#27
I’d love to see the engine room run by Oompa Loompas

As for the rest – I don’t see a problem with engineering looking like the engine room of a ship, with loads of pipes and stuff.

Thorsten (who no-one ever seems to listen to for some reason) says it’s NOT engineering though (@#24). I’m happy to wait and see, and to BE ENTERTAINED by this movie.

58. Dennis Bailey - March 29, 2009

#51:”Whats the bet that while Kirk beams onto a normal deck, Scotty materializes inside a water pipe !!!”

Probably so.

59. thorsten - March 29, 2009

@57… ucdom

LOL!

60. jeffery wright - March 29, 2009

#41 is spot on.

61. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#50

Humour ? Well, if you can laugh at a cheap shot at Scotty, who is supposed to be a good engineer and is depicted as incompetent in everything we’ve seen/read so far.

Action ? I haven’t heard anybody complain about the action, only the lack of anything else.

Young cast ? That’s a real compliment for Leonard Nimoy ! Here it’s not so much, that they’re young, but wether they’re able to capture the spirit of the characters.

You can always win. Go with dry humour, which is not that cheap and classic. Show fans something besides action and that the characters are true to the originals and most people will be happy.

62. Ben - March 29, 2009

cheers for all the hard work, covering all kinds of star trek!
I’m so looking forward to the launch and whatever follows.

63. Mike Ten - March 29, 2009

I’m hoping the water pipe scene is on the planet and not the Enterprise.
Why would a Star Ship in the 23rd century have large wheels to open and close valves when most modern commercial systems are operated electrically?
Also in the first photo of the pipes it looks like steam is rising off of the pipes. Steam on a star ship? I really hope it’s on the planet.

64. Bob Dobalina - March 29, 2009

Cars look slick on the outside and in the cabin, but an engine isn’t very pretty. I can live with this, no problem. And I had no idea who was stuck in those pipes or what it was all about and I was like, what’s going on. In fact, I’m sorry I read the spolier that it was Scotty on the Enterprise. But it certainly got my attention and stirred my curiosity…just as a good trailer should. Well done!

65. Brad - March 29, 2009

I swear, I thin half the people here are either morons or idiots. Of course I’m referring to those people complaining about the “pipes” area. One thing we’ve NEVER seen in ANY Star Trek movie or TV series was a water service area or water treatment facility. In the old day (TOS), things were even less advanced than on TNG, and even the TNG Tech Manual does say that there are lots of pipes and other conduits that transfer liquids, waste materials or other liquids for cooling, heating, etc, throughout the ship.

People, IT HAS TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE!!! If you take a crap in your space toilet and flush it, it HAS to go somewhere, and unless humans have evolved to the point where we no longer need an anus, then there are going to be toilets, and water pipes, and associated facilities.

Just because we’ve never seen them in an episode doesn’t mean they don’t exist, and further, we don’t even know for sure that this scene is actually on the Enterprise. So stop flipping out already. Reading the moronic posts of the naysayers is getting old, FAST!

66. SciFiGeek - March 29, 2009

61. Nobody knows how this scene plays out. I understand your concerns. But to form opinions based off trailers is not wise. I have the good fortune of actually seeing the movie at the London premiere on 20th April. If you like, I can email you the details of this scene once i’ve seen it.

67. AmerakanSymphony - March 29, 2009

Baby Spock is cute!

68. Ian - March 29, 2009

The Enterprise is filled with a series of tubes. James T. Kirk is the commander guy!

69. The Governator - March 29, 2009

Jeez, people. Chill. You seem to think that you know everything about this movie just from looking at a few scenes. You haven’t seen the movie yet. Stating observations is one thing, but saying “Oh my God, Star Trek is ruined. This is Fake Trek” just shows a lack of decent intelligence and is a mark of cynicism that cries of your ignorance and stupidity. You watch a tv show with flashing multi-colored lights and plywood sets where you can see 2X4’s in the cracks and think it believable, and yet you find that this is not? I too, found it believable and still do thanks to the gift of an imagination, which is why this is like a dream come true. This is Star Trek. Its fiction. And for the first time it looks somewhat real and you argue against that? Note that I know this does not apply to everyone, of course, but there are many here to whom this is true. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but sometimes a wake up call is necessary.

70. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#65

Way to go insulting people. And no, Star Trek in the 24th century at least, doesn’t need plumbing. They do have replicators and can dematerialize and recycle almost anything. The only evidence of plumbing on a starship we’ve seen, is Archer’s shower on the Enterprise 100 years before.

71. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#69

If you just see blinking lights and displays, you can let your imagination fill in the rest. If you see plumping – especially waste plumping, that’s a bit of detail I can leave out of it.

72. Oregon Trek Geek - March 29, 2009

I have no problem with the water pipes. I just sort of go with these things….

But I swear Simon Pegg’s line “I like this ship….it’s exciting!” has been slowed down, or re-recorded, or both. The first time I heard it, I couldn’t understand it at all. Now it’s clear as a bell…..

I wonder if they fixed that?

73. The Governator - March 29, 2009

71. Ubel1ever

What? People don’t crap in the 23rd century? lol

74. Ian - March 29, 2009

What if they just beam out the poop in you and it gets dematerialized and used for compost in hydroponics? Am I thinking too much about the E’s plumbing? LOL

75. Anthony Pascale - March 29, 2009

Brad
warning for trolling. Try and find a way to make your point without insulting others

76. Anthony Pascale - March 29, 2009

by the way, the poll is interesting, as of now not a single person has voted that they became a trek fan after 18, with most skewing very young for their falling in love with Trek

seems to me that it makes sense to try and get a whole new generation of kids to fall in love with Trek.

I am also fascinated (and a bit amused) with the ‘enterprise plumbing’ debate…some day we need to do a whole thing on top 10 nitpicks…this one can go in there with the Kelvin’s registry number and the height of the buildings in san francisco

77. The Governator - March 29, 2009

Oh well, I figure when people actually see the movie and put everything in context, they will like it. Either that or they’ll hate the whole bloody thing because the floor isn’t level.

78. senwod - March 29, 2009

I’m not one of these people whose saying that a single scene is going to ruin the movie, but I do ask for some consistency and some credibility in the movie. On the one hand, you have this BEAUTIFUL set on the bridge that really does look like the 23rd Century, and yet at the same time you have this nasty and jumbled looking pipe room that you could find in any basement of a contemporary building!? Its a visual eyesore, anachronistic, and serves about as much function as that stupid giant staircase in Nemesis. I’m hoping that this was a rare miss on the teams part.

“Scotty, I need more power.”
“I cannae do it Captain, I suggest ye call Rotorooter.”

79. Toothless Grishnar Cat - March 29, 2009

Color choices in the pipe room seem similar to TOS Engineering.

80. Dr. Image - March 29, 2009

Ok. I’ll let the barcode scanners go, but Home Depot style shop lights in Engineering??
Hope you’re right, Thorsten.

Hmm… some tend to continuously and rabidly defend all aspects of this film even though THEY haven’t seen all of it either.
Perplexing- and hypocritical.

81. Swollen Ballz - March 29, 2009

Ok! I know this sounds a bit….um…soft! LOL!

That shot of baby spock with those little pointed ears is adorable.
I cant help but say “OOchy WOOchy Koochy KOOH”!

82. Noshbox - March 29, 2009

#76

Just like to say that I can’t vote in the poll as my husband has already voted and we are using the same computer, but I didn’t become a trek fan until about the age of 22. As a child my dad used to force it on me but it never interested me. When my husband decided to collect all the various seasons I watched them with him and now I can’t get enough of it!! (He became a fan around the age of 6).

Can’t wait for the film to be released!! We are going to the UK premiere on the 20th so we shall soon discover where those pipes lead too!!!

83. The Governator - March 29, 2009

80. Dr. Image

If you were referring to me, then let me make my point clear to avoid misinterpretation: Don’t judge it until you have seen it. It could be good, or it could be terrible. I have no idea, but to me, it looks good. There are some who go overboard when they see something out of context. My advice: keep your reservations, but just chill out a little. I like what I have seen thus far. Some people don’t. Understandable, but don’t judge the whole product until you have seen all of its aspects. The whole “Fake Trek” thing is rather stupid.

84. SciFiGeek - March 29, 2009

well said Governator!!

85. sean - March 29, 2009

#70

Wait, so are you saying they use the transporter in the head?

Mr Scott, I’m suffering from Dr McCoy’s bean recipe…transfer all power to the transporter now!

86. Chris Pike - March 29, 2009

The pipe scene out of context looks shockingly mind numbingly awful, that better not be inside the E. We are supposed to be 250 years in the future. What’s going on??!

87. TonyD - March 29, 2009

That boiler room shot looks really, really weak. I expect that kind of “set” in an el-cheapo Sci-Fi…oops, I mean SyFy, Channel movie; not a major theatrical motion picture. And they still use old metal pipes and valves in the 23rd Century, huh?

88. Brown - March 29, 2009

It escapes me how a ship has replicators and still need pipes to handle water/sewers. They could just dematerialize the waste back to energy. If they use water to cool down the warp core though, that would sound a bit more plausible.

89. ss - March 29, 2009

88 and others: Question: were there even replicators in the TOS timeframe? I seem to remember the Tribbles eating all the sandwiches…

90. sean - March 29, 2009

#88

We’re about 100 years early for replicators. In TOS they just had food dispensers and a galley.

91. ucdom - March 29, 2009

#65

LOL. Space toilet!

BTW, Oompa Loompas sh*t chocolate… plumbing problem solved. Man, I should’ve written this movie.

92. The Governator - March 29, 2009

88. Brown

Using poop and piss to power a ship? Now there’s a thought.

93. Scotty! - March 29, 2009

The pipe scene looks out of context because up until now, we haven’t seen the Big E’s interiors.

C’mon, folks: Lighten up. Most of the Enterprise’s infrastructure has always been hidden behind panels or wall units. We’re seeing the actual piping out in the open. Considering the sterile appearing corridors, I understand why this is an unsettling scene.

I think it’s COOL that we get to see some of the E’s infrastructure! :) And let’s see Scotty played to comic relief at times. There was a mixture of seriousness and fun with the character in the original series. As long as he’s not a buffoon or idiot, I’m fine with this water pipe sequence.

94. ucdom - March 29, 2009

#93

Actually if you watch Pegg in MI:3, he manages to be quite goofy, but very natural and very funny. I’m hoping for something similar in Trek.

95. Brown - March 29, 2009

#90 – thanks for the explanation. it makes more sense now, but I still think somehow they should have something more advanced.
#92 – the ecologists would love it

96. I Liked Him Better Before He Died! - March 29, 2009

76. Anthony Pascale – March 29, 2009

“I am also fascinated (and a bit amused) with the ‘enterprise plumbing’ debate…some day we need to do a whole thing on top 10 nitpicks…this one can go in there with the Kelvin’s registry number and the height of the buildings in san francisco”

At the risk of re-igniting an old debate, I seem to have missed the controversy surrounding the Kelvin’s registry number. Could someone explain?

97. JB - March 29, 2009

It’s an interesting idea to make the Engineering room look more like a contemporary Engineering room, but that set hardly looks several centuries into the future, what with bolts on the pipes, electrical boxes, and manual valves.

98. KMKProd - March 29, 2009

I’m willing to bet that we are seeing the CHT system on the Enterprise. CHT is the navy terminology for Collection Holding and Transfer system of wastewater, etc. A ship of that size (comparable to an aircraft carrier) is going to have to have plumbing for its crew, or it will get real nasty, real quick. Not like the E is an 18th century sailing frigate with a poop deck.

Besides, given the prevalance of “potty” humor in movies today… it probably is the sewage system of the ship down in the bilges or something. Hope Scotty stays clear of the comminuter (grinder for solid waste).

One more thing, I hope the warp core is at least similar to ones we’ve seen before.

99. Alec - March 29, 2009

The ‘pipe sequence’ looks awful and not very ‘Star Trek’. It also looks very computer generated, especially the background behind Pine: not very good or convincing.

100. DigginJim - March 29, 2009

water pipes in the enterprise? I hope not…. What about sonic showers and replicators – I didn’t think the ship needed a water supply. Maybe its on the planet and not in the ship. If not its as lame as scotty hitting his head in ST V

101. The Governator - March 29, 2009

99. Alec

“It also looks very computer generated, especially the background behind Pine: not very good or convincing.”

Funny, as it is real, not computer generated.

102. Hurmmm - March 29, 2009

Geez… with this sort of controversy, you’d think they blew up Romulus or Vulcan…

103. Edward Duddy - March 29, 2009

Seriously.. the engine room of the enterprise should not look like the boiler room in Willy Wonkas chocolate factory

104. Pragmaticus - March 29, 2009

100 – What about drinking water? Water to flush the toilets? Come on, get real.

105. The Original Spock's Brain - March 29, 2009

65. Brad – March 29, 2009
“I swear, I thin half the people here are either morons or idiots. Of course I’m referring to those people complaining about the “pipes” area… People, IT HAS TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE!!! If you take a crap in your space toilet and flush it, it HAS to go somewhere, and unless humans have evolved to the point where we no longer need an anus…”

LOL!

I love this trailer! It’s exciting!

106. The Governator - March 29, 2009

IT IS NOT ENGINEERING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

107. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#83

I don’t think many people see it as Fake Trek. I’m sure, I’ll enjoy the movie. Still, I like details. If something doesn’t feel right, I speak my mind here. Maybe someone will read it here and think about changing it for the better in the future. I mean it’s just a bit of criticism. If I handed in a paper and wouldn’t get it back with some suggestions on how to improve it, I would be shocked. On the other hand, some people leave some major flaws in there work, so the reviewer just focuses on those and overlooks the little ones.

What I am saying is: I don’t like the thought of plumbing on a Federation ship in the 23rd century. Valves etc. are vanishing in modern designs, why put them in the future.

It’s a overall thing, I’ve criticized from the very first teaser trailer, when I saw the welding guys. Even today, the plating of ships in modern yards is welded together by robots and ships aren’t build plate by plate anymore, but assembled in segments at different locations that are just put together in the yard. What I am saying is: Contempory technology is more advanced than several things, we’ve seen so far, that are supposed to be 200 years in the future.

108. Enc - March 29, 2009

iirc the kelvin had a leading zero in its number

anthony how do we know its the enterprise pipes?
may its still delta vega.

replicors were tng.

and warp core was also a tng. ds9 a had line that puts invention at post tos. a referance to the tng modern verticle warp core. assembly. rikers line in FC was the mistake. and changes warp core to a new defintition of a total collection of differant parts for that time period.
a realy hate having to fill in the gaps left by the writers. if we have to do it, it means they didnt make a good job of it.

109. Edward Duddy - March 29, 2009

Didn’t see that first Willy ref.. hah.

@102 – haha, or both…

110. The Original Spock's Brain - March 29, 2009

88. Brown – March 29, 2009
“It escapes me how a ship has replicators and still need pipes to handle water/sewers.”

100. DigginJim – March 29, 2009
“water pipes in the enterprise? I hope not…. What about sonic showers and replicators – I didn’t think the ship needed a water supply”

Ya’ll must me TNG-era fans. No replicators in TOS.

111. Kuvagh - March 29, 2009

Ooooookay.

I no longer have any illusions about this being a movie which will appeal to me.

Just being honest.

Have fun, Everybody. :)

112. CaptainRickover - March 29, 2009

water pipes has the same design since 1860 or even earlier. Why should that design change – even in the future? We don’t know from what material that things are made of in the 23rd century, don’t we?

BTW: I like the idea with the water pipes. I ever asked me how they transported water from deck to deck – or air – aboard the starships. That look like a cool scene.

113. Danny - March 29, 2009

100 – Replicators were a post TOS invention (At least, we never saw them in TOS or the movies). The food was always prepared by someone. So the ship would require a water supply.

As well, weren’t there scenes in Enterprise of the crew having actual, water showers?

114. Will_H - March 29, 2009

I just realized how much of an epic “O” face Kirk is making in that last screen shot.

115. ucdom - March 29, 2009

#111

That’s ridiculous. You’ve based that decision on just a couple of minutes of trailer time.
Now I saw the Watchmen trailer and thought ‘That looks good’ and the film turned out to be a complete pile of Oompa Loompa cr*p. So you never can tell from a trailer…

Give the movie a chance

116. Chadwick - March 29, 2009

Oh god no, no no no, that water pipe scene looks horrible! I mean mainly where Kirk is looking around, I mean all that stuff is 21st if not 20th century , the pipes, the valves, even the electrical piping to the top right, this is supposed to be a 23rd century state of the art (not naval, not air, not space but) starship! I guess they are trying to show that plumbing is plumbing no matter where or when you are?

@26. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE. Holy hell its not a huge deal but its the first time I went “ewww’ regarding everything I have seen of the new movie. You are talking about naval vessels, this is a 23rd century STARSHIP, its more advanced than a spaceship, let alone a humble naval vessel.

@41. Unbel1ever. True but Starships are part of the interstellar navy. Starfleet took traditions from the “Navy and Air Force.” But I agree Starship might use some basics, they would be done from scratch considering the more variable and dangers in space as opposed to oceans.

@16. JoBlo. No doubt, its scared me a bit as well, it was the first time I saw or read something about the new movie that made me say WTF? I have liked everything up until that pipe scene, its just too ghetto.

117. Valar1 - March 29, 2009

Those pipes look like larger versions of the pipes Scotty used to wrestle with on the old show. IIRC he used to have a variety of tools that looked like regular RIGID pipe wrenches, sometimes with glowy bits on them. I don’t see why everyone’s panties are in a bunch, they’re finally being canonical.

118. Stanky McFibberich - March 29, 2009

re: 32. sean – March 29, 2009

“Maybe we’ll finally see a toilet in this version of Star Trek ;)”

I have no doubts about that.

And that Fake Scotty line make me want to spew into the Enterprise toilet.

119. McCoy - March 29, 2009

78. “On the one hand, you have this BEAUTIFUL set on the bridge that really does look like the 23rd Century, and yet at the same time you have this nasty and jumbled looking pipe room”

From a design POV, I think going from the bridge to the water-treatment room is more like going from a 1990’s Macy’s cosmetic department to a 1990’s factory. I don’t say this out of spite.

103.
Agreed. The Enterprise has water treatment center I’m sure, however no “room” on the 23rd century Enterprise should look like this.

120. sean - March 29, 2009

#118

Oh Stanky! I do admire your ability to hate absolutely every aspect of this new movie, right down to the plumbing :)

121. McCoy - March 29, 2009

So we’ve learned that for JJ and Chamblis, “making things look real” means using objects from 2008.

122. Selor - March 29, 2009

WTF? Are you guys crazy?

What do you think? They beam the Water right into your face when you want to wash yourself?

What, by the moons of Jupiter, is so wrong with using tubes to move water from one place to another EVEN on 23rd Century Starships?

123. MattTheTrekkie - March 29, 2009

Does anyone remember ANYTHING from TOS? In one episode (Wold in the fold) everyone gets HIGH so they can catch a corporeal life form / killer? Way to eden? Space hippies? Spocks brain? What are little girls made of “No I won’t kiss you, that’s illogical”. “I know engineers, they LOVE to change things.” ST:TMP. “I know this ship like the back of my hand…” THUD. STV

TOS was full of goofy off the wall humor. Not a lot of the rest of Star Trek was, but TOS made me laugh every episode! This movie has the goofy off the wall humor that TOS had. Spot frigging on! It doesn’t surprise me that Scotty trans warp beamed into a water tube, at all.

124. The Governator - March 29, 2009

Oh lord. This is ridiculous. They can’t use pipes and nuts and bolts in the 23rd century. We’re only talking < 200 years here. They had pipes and nuts and bolts around 150 years ago. Why not 150 years from now? This is just silly.

125. The Original Spock's Brain - March 29, 2009

Scotty uses transwarp beaming to sneak himself and Kirk back on the E. It’s not perfected technology… So this happens.

126. Devon - March 29, 2009

#116 – If that is “scaring you” well then…

127. Agent 194 - March 29, 2009

I am very concerned about the comedy elements of this film, Kirk’s swollen hands scene we’ve heard about and then this waterpipe nonsense. Humour in the original came from the characters, there was never any slapstick as this appears to be. It’s worrying that the so called synopses includes the word “comedy”. This is going to be as embarrassing as STV and “Mr Tricorder”.

128. The Original Spock's Brain - March 29, 2009

119. McCoy – March 29, 2009 “The Enterprise has water treatment center I’m sure, however no “room” on the 23rd century Enterprise should look like this.”

How do you know, have you been to the 23rd century??

129. BrF - March 29, 2009

I understand the concern about the pipes, but what about Spock’s sweater? We may not have any TNG cast members in this movie, but we seem to have some TNG-era (c. 1987) wardrobe choices.

130. ShawnP - March 29, 2009

Anyone else notice that the roll of duct tape is gone from the helm console?

131. That One Guy - March 29, 2009

Really? Arguments over pipes?

Wow….

And I thought the “nacelle” thing was bad.

132. The Governator - March 29, 2009

130. ShawnP

Ha! You’re right!

133. Mr. Fanboy - March 29, 2009

Those room with the water pipes is really lame. I’m thinking it’s an unintentional homage to Galaxy Quest’s room with the “gigantic huge chompy crushy things”. Their only purpose is probably to serve that single-instance plot contrivance, and then the set will never be seen again. At least in Galaxy Quest, it was funny, but within the scope of an ‘epic’ movie, it’s going to seriously run the risk of undermining the film.

I hope I’m wrong, but that’s the first clip in all the trailers that really looks dismal. (and the first time this Trek’09 has started to remind me of ST:V in it’s total disregard for the Big-E’s internal continuity)

134. Aragorn189 - March 29, 2009

127.

I liked “Mr. Tricorder”.
These characters are normal human beings,(or whatever else their speices is). They can act like goofballs or get into awkward situations just like the rest of us.

135. Enc - March 29, 2009

128
neither have you
the ponbt is that we talk about the details and what some thing MIGHT look like. but that dosent mean a writer should show it to us and that we actual wan to see it.

130
first thing i looked for.

131
you might be kidin but dont get me sarted.

has any one yet mentioned the pipes seen around the tos cooridors. GNDN.

136. spockatatic - March 29, 2009

Awhh…. Holy is Spock cute! Of course, he was cuter as a baby and young kid in SFS and TFF, but what the hell! He’ll always be adorable!

137. Daoud - March 29, 2009

Scotty plays the pipes, Scotty’s in the pipes. Yep, makes perfect sense.

138. Commodore Lurker - March 29, 2009

Decloaking . . .

I absolutely loathe, despise, and detest that: “Buckle Up” line!

It is so utterly un-Star Trek; I wish they would cut it from the film right now.

Recloaking. }:-[>

139. thorsten - March 29, 2009

@137…

nice one, Daoud

140. Devon - March 29, 2009

“It is so utterly un-Star Trek; I wish they would cut it from the film right now.”

And “Lock and Load” is? ;)

141. LegalizeRomulanAle - March 29, 2009

New Uhura = Queen Amidala?

The line reminds me of Portman’s from The Phantom Menace’s first trailer…

Let’s hope those are the only similarities in dialogue…

142. Devon - March 29, 2009

#127 – “Humour in the original came from the characters, there was never any slapstick as this appears to be.”

Did you ever see that episode with Harry Mudd where they do that HORRIBLE “play” to confuse the androids? That’s just the start!

143. I Liked Him Better Before He Died! - March 29, 2009

134. Aragorn189 – March 29, 2009

ditto

144. I Liked Him Better Before He Died! - March 29, 2009

138. Commodore Lurker – March 29, 2009

Probably the equivalent of someone jumping into a sports car and saying “Saddle Up!”

But then again, Kirk does have a penchant for historical artifacts/phrases…

145. Liz - March 29, 2009

Spock is cute at every age.

146. Beck - March 29, 2009

I know there’s a storm of controversy going on in this thread, but I’m just DAWWWing over baby!Spock.

Looks like there’s going to be some slapstick style humor in this film. The original series wasn’t far from that at times. It’s all good. (I just hope they don’t turn Scotty into the comic relief).

147. Hawaiowa - March 29, 2009

Seeing the Scotty footage is a bit shocking in a disappointing way, because up to now, the movie has looked very sleek and futuristic. Now it has that low-fi 80s Terminator ‘battle in the factory’ feel. The whole shot reeks of cheepniz, especially the 40’s style wire boxes, the red “warning” arrow on the beam (located right behind the juncture between the two sections of clear tubing). I hope that they spend a bit of time with CGI to redress this scene so it doesn’t look so low budget in a Troma Bros sorta way. Scotty the Toxic Avenger? Nah!

One of the best scenes for me in STIV was the Scotty and the Apple sequence. But this is way too much of a juxtapose, unless somehow Scotty gets squirted through the tubing from a ‘low tech’ ground-based ancillary water recycling facility, upwards through the many storeys of scaffolding to wind up on the E. If filmed from Scotty’s perspective, that would be a totally magnificent shot, well deserving of an epic film like this.

The significant problem with this shot is that it is too obviously a factory location shot, with almost nothing done to bulk it up (pardon the pun) with some CGI to make it look more ‘Trek’, other than clustering the empty spaces with cut-n-paste tubing to obscure the factory background.

148. TrekDude - March 29, 2009

I bet that Scotty gets accidently beamed into these ‘waterpipes’ (don’t know what that is supposed to be… my guess would be some sort of cooling system) since they’re using experimental transporter technology to get aboard the ship after they were stranded on the ice planet.

149. Enterprise's helmsman - March 29, 2009

Awww baby Spock is very cute.

150. jas_montreal - March 29, 2009

Love it a lot ! Can’t wait ! I love how their really creating a trek movie that will let the viewers imagination go berserk. Something previous trek movies have lacked due to budgetary constraints. I LOVE IT A LOT !

151. Noshbox - March 29, 2009

Are we still all talking about the TV spot? The article was just telling us about the advertising for the film and look what everyone is banging on about! A damn pipe! Which I’m guessing most people won’t care about in the grand scheme of things, once the film is released.
Shouldnt we just be happy that this film is getting the right marketing. Better marketing=good turn out for the film. Isnt that what we all want? Do we really want to wait an eternity for something trek to be made again in the future?

152. Hurmmm - March 29, 2009

Kinda funny to think that Spock and Scotty’s conversation before the transwarp beaming talks about the “fluid” nature of space…

And Scotty winds up in fluid. Literally.

153. SaphronGirl - March 29, 2009

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/kidstrl/02.jpg

Meee-YOW.

154. Stanky McFibberich - March 29, 2009

re: 120. sean – March 29, 2009

” #118

Oh Stanky! I do admire your ability to hate absolutely every aspect of this new movie, right down to the plumbing :)”

I don’t even know what people are talking about in regard to these pipes or whatever, so my plumbing comment has nothing to do with that. Most of the aspects of it that I have either seen or heard about seem to have come out of a toilet, though.

I do like the uniforms.

155. Justin Olson - March 29, 2009

WONKA TREK?

http://www.codehappy.net/mimage/wonka019.jpg

156. joel - March 29, 2009

I totally hope all works out for me to go. I’ve already got two tickets. *HUGE smile*

157. Kregano - March 29, 2009

I see no reason to get excited over the water treatment facilities of the Enterprise appearing the way they do. It’s a logical and utilitarian layout for something that no one aside from the engineering crew will ever look at, and when they do, they need easy access to the particular pipe that’s leaking/blocked/whatever. The reason it looks weird is the strange contrast in lighting that makes Pine’s O-face blue while the pipes in the back are bathed in white light.

158. Starship Conductor - March 29, 2009

The water pipes scene looks an awful like one of the warehouses at the Budweiser plant in Van Nuys, Calif.! ;-)

159. trekboi - March 29, 2009

I love tht Paramount is using all the power of its evil empire to target the kiddies and non fans- it just might work.

Here in Australia the premier tickets sold out in 5 mins- i didnt get one…

160. Rick Sternbach - March 29, 2009

I’ll still see the movie, but pipes and handwheels? Sheesh.

161. section9 - March 29, 2009

My God, hasn’t anyone figured out the human defecation-nanobot-food replicator cycle for Enterprise yet?

Or do you people think that they actually HAVE CATERING in Starfleet in the 23rd Century?

I thought most Trek Fans had the whole food replicator in-joke figured out.

I’ll give you three seconds to guess where Dr. McCoy’s morning doughnut came from…..

162. fatman bruno - March 29, 2009

That shot of Kirk going “Oh No” has got to be the worst blue/green screen shot i have ever seen.
please tell me this is a wind up?

163. Selor - March 29, 2009

To go away from all this Pipestuff… do you notice that Kirk is half singing those No’s while Scotty’s getting sucked upwards? ^^ It’s kinda funny *gg*

164. Captain Roy Mustang - March 29, 2009

Umm wow thts all i got to say an its funny when scotty sukc up in the pipes

165. SciFiGeek - March 29, 2009

162. fatman bruno
“That shot of Kirk going “Oh No” has got to be the worst blue/green screen shot i have ever seen.
please tell me this is a wind up?”

That scene was actually shot on-set. The sheer ignorance makes me laugh.

166. NCC-73515 - March 29, 2009

“The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.”

And remember, the 1701-D had dolphins and orcas.

167. Will - March 29, 2009

That shot of Kirk going “oh no” looks so much like bad green screen because of either the non-matching lighting from Kirk to the background or, alternately, it was a pick-up shot after the sets were struck and composited onto a background plate.

I’d lean a little more towards bad lighting, personally, since that would be easy to do with a key blue key light being motivated from being that close but no one bothering the properly light the background with any major blue… of course, this is all based on about what, 3 seconds of the scene?

I’m with Mr. Sternbach, I’ll see it, but giant water pipes and such? Sheesh.

168. WhatInBlueBlazes?! - March 29, 2009

Regarding the Scotty-in-the-water-main scene: “I sure hope you know what you’re doing,” JJ & co.

I can accept and even appreciate the pipes and valves and manual controls; there were pipes and valves and even good ol’ crescent wrenches on the screen in TOS, although not on that scale. There were colorful pipes seen in jefferies tubes throughout Star Trek, especially in the maintenance hallway in ST:TFF (5), and even some metallic pipes on the Enterprise-E.

I just hope that Scotty-in-the-tube works in the context of the film. Comedic action can definitely work, especially when it isn’t too far over the top. I guess we’ll see how it goes.

169. Rick Rules - March 29, 2009

160 – What would you have done differently, assuming you had to film in the same facility? (Looking for your keen design eye here. :) )

Glad to see you commenting, too. Past parties (post-TNG) at the Sternbachs were definitely a high point for many, me included. ;-) Your presence on this film is missed.

170. Shatner_Fan_Prime - March 29, 2009

I like this tv spot best of all. And I’m glad I’ve only seen a few minutes of footage and skipped over spoilers. Lots of surprises in store for me and my Trek buddies as we fill a whole row of seats on May 8! :-)

171. SPB - March 29, 2009

Scotty gets beamed into the Enterprise’s water pipes?????!?!!?

Sorry, but that’s just a flat-out DUMB scenario that should never have made it past a first draft. That’s the type of “humor” that passes muster in STAR TREK V, or, well, TRANSFORMERS.

Here’s hoping the scene is only 30 seconds long. Which would still be 30 too many.

172. Paulaner - March 29, 2009

No problem for me with the pipes. In TNG era it was all containment fields, energy barriers and replicators/dematerializers. TOS is more down to earth, and pipes are there for a reason. OK, I wouldn’t have shown valves and wheels, but I’m waiting to see the scene in the right context. Just think out of the box, guys. This Trek is different and we know it.

173. fred - March 29, 2009

Remember folks, this is Trek for the public-high-school-educated masses, dumbed down. Have to take the bad with the good.

174. Paulaner - March 29, 2009

#171 “Sorry, but that’s just a flat-out DUMB scenario that should never have made it past a first draft. That’s the type of “humor” that passes muster in STAR TREK V, or, well, TRANSFORMERS.”

Remember Uhura and Checkov looking up words in the Klingon dictionary (ST6) and the whole holodeck initial scene in Generations. That’s lame :)

175. Kirk, James T. - March 29, 2009

lol great trailer, the only problem i see with it are the ignorant and basement dwelling fans moaning about it….

176. Dennis T - March 29, 2009

The original Spock makeup used Nimoy’s real hair. All future Spocks (Quinto and Fan Series versions) had to use a wig to mimick Nimoy’s hair. That is why it doesn’t look as natural.

177. Paul B. - March 29, 2009

I’m glad to see that at least a few others here had the same “Willy Wonka” flashback from seeing Scotty in the pipes. It seems like the “humor” in this film is definitely on par with Star Trek V’s campfire singalong and Scotty’s head-bump…grrr…

Oh, well, I’m still looking forward to it…though if “Scotty beamed into the water pipes” is supposed to be funny or exciting, I worry about the film’s other humor and excitement.

178. Viking - March 29, 2009

‘Sorry to say it, because I like the rest of the stuff that they’ve been doing, if this is engineering, its WRETCHED. It’s supposed to house a warp core, not the boiler room.’

C’mon, senwod, think back to the old TOS blooper reel – an engineer shoveling coal into the impulse engines. Fits right in. LOL :-)

179. S. John Ross - March 29, 2009

#173: “Have to take the bad with the good.”

No; attendance at the theater remains optional.

180. NCC-73515 - March 29, 2009

Everyone relax.
Scotty just stopped up the drain because of all the overthought plumbing.
What a brilliant nod to a future/past line :D

181. Jim - March 29, 2009

I can’t quite get my head around the fact that many who bemoaned the “cheesiness” of the sets and stories in TOS find this vintage 20th century boiler room and the utterly slapstick nature of this scene to be “sweet”. Every time I start to feel the slightest bit hopeful about this movie, something like this comes along and sets me way back again.

182. The Governator - March 29, 2009

You know, when Pine says “Either they’re going down, or we are”, he kinda sounds like the Joker. lol :)

183. The Governator - March 29, 2009

And has anyone given thought to the fact that this may not be such a humorous scene?

184. Kirk's Revenge - March 29, 2009

Silly fans.
New Trek is for kids!

185. Boborci - March 29, 2009

32. sean – March 29, 2009
Maybe we’ll finally see a toilet in this version of Star Trek ;)

LOL

186. Jeyl - March 29, 2009

Wait a minute. That’s the inside of the Enterprise? A factory?

Dear god! They’ve wondered onto the set of SPACE MUTINY! The Enterprise is just a big basement! The Enterprise is just a big basement!

187. Jefferies Tuber - March 29, 2009

It’s a sure sign that JJ’s on to something good when Rick Sternbach disapproves.

This is the guy who managed to make Cardassian space stations, Federation starships and Klingon warships all look as though they were designed by the same hand, ” whose contribution to the noble history of Federation starship design was to imitate the Battlestar Galactica and whose era in Trek can only rationally be described as “decline and fall.

Sternbach disapproving is like a weathervane pointing directly which way to go.

188. The Governator - March 29, 2009

Well Bob Orci, I hope you are getting a kick out of all this!

189. Ashley - March 29, 2009

183. The Governator – March 29, 2009
“And has anyone given thought to the fact that this may not be such a humorous scene?”

Actually I was thinking that too… if Scotty doesn’t make it out quickly he’ll drown, which would be a major setback to whatever plan Kirk has… and I don’t see what would be so funny about Scotty drowning! :/

190. mooseday - March 29, 2009

#186 LOL!! To be Space Mutiny requires more brick :)

191. FS9 - March 29, 2009

Cool, I like the new take on Engineering!

192. Spock - March 29, 2009

They should’ve asked Scotty if he saw the film’s script while he was stuck in the plumbing…

193. Rick Sternbach - March 29, 2009

#185 – Well, we -had- a door marked HEAD on the Ent-D bridge, and during one crazy red alert scene in “Encounter at Farpoint,” some guy actually dashed in there.

#187 – Yeah, I’ll take the bait. I’m just speaking for myself as an “old school” Trek guy who takes his engineering plausibility *and* SF-coolness factors very seriously. As to the pipes and handwheels specifically, there’s really no reason for them. I’ve got electrically-activated Jandy valves as part of the machinery on my swimming pool, and it’s nothing special. To me, handwheels went out with “Live steam…dead steam.” For all you movie buffs out there. And for the record, I wasn’t the only designer on the “modern Trek” series; there are plenty of folks who liked what we all did.

194. Jovan - March 29, 2009

For all those decrying the “new engineering set” uh… clearly this ISN’T the same engineering room as in the original series, so calm the heck down. I’d have to venture a guess that this is a previously-unseen room which regulates water, sewage, heating (space is very cold), etc.

195. The Governator - March 29, 2009

Well, since its NOT engineering I’d say the complaints about how bad engineering looks are unjustified. However, I’d would be interested to know how this compares to the engineering section. Thorsten, any thoughts?

196. Chris Basken - March 29, 2009

193: “And for the record, I wasn’t the only designer on the “modern Trek” series; there are plenty of folks who liked what we all did.”

*RAISES HAND*

The only thing keeping me from liking the Voyager are the moving nacelles. If you can explain why they move the way they did in a believable way, I’ll even like that ship.

I mean, they were down for non-warp and went up for warp. Why couldn’t they just stay up all the time?

197. Rick Sternbach - March 29, 2009

#196 – The producers said so. :)

198. The Governator - March 29, 2009

And if you must have reason for all the wheels and doohickies, I’d say since we’re dealing with the plumbing section, you would need some pressure release valves. And as for the complaints about the steam: Huh? Last I checked water and steam are the same element in different form. And the complaints about all the pipes: how else do you plan to get water throughout the ship? Something tells me this method will still be in place in the 23rd century. And the comments about it looking like a “basement”, well what do you think it should look like, because that is essentially what this is, a basement of the Enterprise. Even the most attractive of houses has an ugly utilities room.

199. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#183

Yes, but then it’s unintentionally funny, which is even worse.

200. The Governator - March 29, 2009

199. Unbel1ever

Well, I hope you and I both feel differently after the movie.

201. KMKProd - March 29, 2009

107 – It’s a overall thing, I’ve criticized from the very first teaser trailer, when I saw the welding guys. Even today, the plating of ships in modern yards is welded together by robots and ships aren’t build plate by plate anymore, but assembled in segments at different locations that are just put together in the yard. What I am saying is: Contempory technology is more advanced than several things, we’ve seen so far, that are supposed to be 200 years in the future.

I urge you to check out the Discovery Channel or Military channel, there was a show about the construction of the USS G. H. W. Bush aircraft carrier shot in 2006 ot 2007, and it had a lot of MANUAL labor going in to the welding and fabrication. If TPTB had gone with robot construction, I’m sure people would be complaining it looked too much like Star Wars, and would be searcing for the Astromech droids in the scene.

202. Smitty™ - March 29, 2009

The acronym is STINO!

I’m surprised we haven’t seen it as a url yet!

Come on get on the naysayer train, choo choo!

-cs™

203. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#200

I’m with you there. I really want to get on board and there are times like when the good trailer was released, that I actually feel that way. Yet, somehow everytime something comes along and seeds new doubt. Among all those action packed scenes I kind of miss the sense of wonder and awe Trek used to inspire in me at it’s peak.

Except for the fx and the uniforms, I have yet to see anything designwise, that I really like. There were always parts of Trek design, which I didn’t like, but it’s never been to this extent. It’s the same mistake Lucas made with Star Wars. Change the design so much, that it becomes a parody of itself. When non Trek fans see those designs, they’ll think it’s even more cheesy than Riker’s infamous joystick.

204. FSL - March 29, 2009

I thought site-to-site transport was a new thing during TNG. Guess the alternate time line is centuries ahead in terms of tech.

Water pipes in engineering? Scotty should be glad he didn’t end up with the warp plasma coolents.

Engineering look so out of place with the rest of the ship. And it seems too big to fit inside the Enterprise. Are we sure this is Engineering? Maybe it is some sort of facility on Delta Vega?

205. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 29, 2009

Both Dirty Darren and

Ravishing Rick Sternbach in the house

Roto Rooter Trek

Still say this ship must be much larger than the original to house such a water reclamation plant, especially looking at the persepecttive in the pic. Going by the assumption that the new E is roughly the same size as the original there is no way they can fit this in the new skinnier secondary hull

206. Robert H. - March 29, 2009

Kid friendlier, but still kicks ass …. I mean butt!!

207. Chris Basken - March 29, 2009

197: “The producers said so.”

Well, it’s certainly a *believable* answer…

208. McCoy - March 29, 2009

128 “How do you know, have you been to the 23rd century??”

Because I’ve been there. :o)

No, it’s just a matter of perception. You are designing for a movie that takes place 200 years in the future. You have to avoid the appearance of current technology whether they will have it in the future or not. Your designs have to look advanced…not current. There are two options for design in this movie: look like TOS or to look like something that will exist in the future. These pipes communicate “existing pipes” not “23rd century pipes”.

209. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#201

I didn’t say there weren’t any welders involved nowadays. They’re still necessary for detail work etc. which robots can’t do, but the modern ship yards in Korea and elsewere produce ships sort of like cars in an assembly line kind of way. It’s in no way like the Astromechs from Star Wars, more like really huge plotters, welding and cutting steelplates.

210. The Governator - March 29, 2009

208. McCoy

You think pipes will look different in the future?

211. Jared Butcher - March 29, 2009

On the question of the division of labour between humanoids and machines in the film, we must also consider that the Earth, if not the whole Federation, as portrayed in every version of Star Trek, is highly socialized.

Robert Orci called it “the semi-utopian communist 23rd century,” which leads me to believe that they are continuing the concept of Earth’s future being socialist.

The point being that in most socialized economies there would be a need, and a value behind the need, to have ‘full employment.’ In the pre-TOS era, which the film takes place in, there still may be a need to employ the Earth’s population in jobs that could be done by machines.

To equate the use of machines, which may be quicker and more efficient, in a extremely capitalistic economy, like the United States, for the production of goods to a socialized economy of the future is highly spurious.

Further we see that in the Next Generation there is still some under lying issues with the use of machines, when taking the place of a human, in the reactions to Data.

It seems quite possible, the while it is very likely a machine could do the work in the 23rd Century, that Earth of that time period may assign more value to having the work done by people.

212. Speed - March 29, 2009

I have to admit when you look at the still pictures of the pipe scene it looks really crude …but when I viewed the trailer it was moving way too fast to notice the antiquated looks of the water treatment facility. I am not that messed up about it. Any how this is a fictional story about how the future might look like. Let’s face it not everything that sci fi stories assume about the way the future might be comes to pass…for example 2001. Space stations are not casually convenient to use yet. And manned travel to Mars is still just a dream … forget about Jupiter. So if you think that this scene with the water pipes seems too simplistic for the future …maybe you should just think about the fact that we do not know where technology will grow the most. Hell it is almost 2010 and manned space travel is still in its infancy while personal communication has grown to almost epic heights. God a cell phone can take F*^*in pictures,sned emails and pay the bills man! With a star trek communicator all you can do with that is talk to the ship! lol

213. Rusty0918 - March 29, 2009

If this is on the Enterprise, this is even WORSE than the 79+ deck vertical turboshaft in Star Trek V, WORSE than the joystick in Insurrection, WORSE than the dune buggy in Nemesis, and WORSE than the shaft in Nemesis.

Seems more like something out of “Space Mutiny,” a really bad sci-fi movie MST3K did.

214. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#208

There’s another issue using current technology: There will be people in the audience, who know how that stuff actually works. While no one can take the tech seriously, it’s always nice to have the possibility to imagine it can work. If you KNOW it doesn’t, that can ruin it for you. I really had a good laugh last year, when in an episode of “numb3rs” they froze a cell phone simcard in order to “hack” it. Someone should have told them, that this attack, really only makes sense with non-permanent memory like RAM and the information on the simcard is the same – frozen or not.
After seeing it, I really couldn’t take anything else seriously in this episode.

215. sean - March 29, 2009

#185

Come on Bob, you know we’ve all been waiting 43 years to see a head in Star Trek! ;)

#197

Rick, wasn’t the ‘official’ explanation that it had something to do with that episode of TNG where the warp engines damage the fabric of the universe or something?

#204

This isn’t site-to-site transport. They transport from the planet to a ship. Site-to-site is what they called intraship beaming in TOS.

216. sean - March 29, 2009

IN terms of the construction of ships, etc., you have to remember that the world has faced several setbacks – both the Eugenics Wars as well as World War III and the Romulan Wars. Who’s to say that these primitive or modern-day techniques aren’t in place as a result?

217. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#216

If it was Earth alone, you might be right, but we’re talking about the Federation and the Romulan war itself was fought in space, not on the planet.

218. Jason - March 29, 2009

The trailer’s with both the 2D and the 3D versions of Monsters vs. Aliens, I know at the theatre where I work, we only have the 3D version of the film playing, but the trailer is obviously 2D. And I must say, over the past few months I’ve been in the theatre a number of times when a Star Trek trailer is playing, and have to say this one gets the best audience reaction, like the Watchmen one didn’t get much, but this one had kids excited and I even heard some kids laughing and even quoting Scotty’s line (the “I like this ship…” one), which is cool.

Now, as for rating, I don’t think anything official’s been said, although Orci or Kutzman said PG13 was their target, I think it’s a 50-50 shot at being PG or PG13, just depends on a few things, like how scary Nero comes across on screen, and how much of the sex scene is there. But even if it gets PG13, I think this is gonna be one that could easily be a “family friendly” PG13, like Transformers or Spiderman or any of the countless films in recent years that got PG13 and still brought in families.

219. Paul - March 29, 2009

Scotty gets flushed? :/

220. Christine - March 29, 2009

#213 :: But aren’t movies more than just sets? :3 Just saying.

221. sean - March 29, 2009

#217

IIRC, it was implied that the Romulan War reached Earth. That aside, you still have 2 major Earth-based conflicts that caused some massive damage to the planet. I’m just offering a possible in-universe reason why the tech may not have a direct lineage to our current progression.

But honestly Unbeliever, if things like what you mentioned in #214 really bother you that much, it’s hard to believe you enjoy much of anything you see in the movies or TV. I have yet to see a fictional story that gets every detail just right. Shows like House & ER make major medical goofs, yet they’ve remained incredibly popular. I don’t think the average non-fan will really care if there are pipes on the Enterprise or not.

222. That One Guy - March 29, 2009

213,

Not just movies, but TV shows, too! My god…. who knew?

223. Christine - March 29, 2009

And #218 :: I’m willing to bet that this is going to be PG-13. I kinda doubt they can get away with that scene we spotted between Kirk and that Orion gal on PG… But like you said, it’ll probably be on the “lower” end of PG-13.

But Nero looks pretty dang freaky. xD From the looks of it, he’s gonna be the best villian we’ve seen since the Borg Queen (FC), and Khan (TWOK) before her. And I think I’ve seen Bana in a few things; he’s not a half-bad actor! But… Man. Nero. I’d probably go to this movie even if there was no Quinto and Nimoy (the two actors I’m really looking forward to seeing) just so I can see how good they made this Nero guy. ;D

224. The Governator - March 29, 2009

I’ll bet this scene is probably around like 20-30 seconds and probably no big deal. Some people get really overworked about this stuff. Although, if they really make this one big comedic scene, I must admit, I’ll be somewhat displeased.

225. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#221

I don’t care about minor errors or compromises and in most movies I wouldn’t care. If I am going to watch say “Die Hard”, I know that most of it is complete nonsense, but enjoyable nonsense. I never looked at Star Trek as this kind of “stupid” movie or show. Besides the most successful movies of all time Titanic and Lord of the Rings paid attention to detail. Cameron built a ship almost the scale of the original ship and in Lord of the Rings every sword or detail was handcrafted and looked after. Still, you’re right, I don’t like most movies that are released nowadays, simply because they’re that stupid. Instead I read books – far more entertaining.

226. Christine - March 29, 2009

#224 :: Agreed. But I doubt they’d make it very comedic. In fact, I’ll probably be the one in the middle of the theatre screaming, “DON’T DROWN, SCOTTY, DON’T DROWN!!! GET HIM OUT OF THERE KIRK!!!!” at the top of my lungs, successfully embarrassing whoever goes with me. :D

227. The Governator - March 29, 2009

I hope I don’t go with you, LOL. :)

228. Unbel1ever - March 29, 2009

#226

You might want to duck, when all kinds of stuff come flying towards you in the cinema.

229. Liz - March 29, 2009

#159 – Hey, don’t knock Paramount. I own Viacom stock. Just go see the movie… hundreds of times…

230. kmart - March 29, 2009

207
They were inheriting their own mess from TNG, about needing to address a space pollution issue, and putting moving parts into the design was a ‘daring’ for berman way to do this.

Sternbach did great stuff for TMP, the original chronology book in 80, and some really good stuff for the ModernTrek era, but the latter is filtered through berman/lauritson sensibilities, such as they are. Check his SOLARIS stuff, that is a better example of his skillsets.

As for the engine room, it is just ridiculous, like the built-on-earth starship and the duct tape on the bridge and the bar code scanners. Why are there tons of reflective surfaces in the working environment? because the PD said he hadn’t seen many reflective surfaces during his research of SF stuff for this project, and he had no prior interest in the subject, so he had no in-head knowledge to rely on and apparently no tech heads on the design team (based on my interview with him.)

231. Chris Basken - March 29, 2009

225: “I don’t care about minor errors or compromises and in most movies I wouldn’t care. If I am going to watch say “Die Hard”, I know that most of it is complete nonsense, but enjoyable nonsense. I never looked at Star Trek as this kind of “stupid” movie or show.”

There’s plenty of silly nonsense in Trek movies.

Scotty taking Peter Preston to the bridge instead of Sickbay in ST2.

The goofy freestanding fire-extinguisher thingamabob in the “Kill Spock” chamber in engineering — a room we never saw again.

The Excelsior managing to fit through spacedock doors that just two shots prior were only barely wide enough for the Enterprise, in ST3.

The variable size of the Bounty in ST4 — sometimes it’s about Millennium Falcon sized, sometimes it’s ginormous.

Let’s not forget the 78 decks on a 24-deck ship in ST5. And Kirk “dodging” a photon torpedo.

Since when do Starfleet hand phasers cause bleeding wounds? Did the ones in ST6 have “stun,” “kill,” and “punch ragged hole in Klingon”?

Did anyone notice how the Nexus zipped along at warp speeds but then would conveniently slow down to maybe 100mph when people needed to jump into it?

Picard shoots the Borg with plain old bullets (replicated, I’d assume) and the Borg are helpless. If shielding against plain old bullets is so hard, why did they ever begin using energy-based weapons in the first place?

The Ba’ku homeworld is bathed in special light caused by its rings, but the entire planet is populated by only 600 people. Why can’t the Federation just set up a spa 1000 miles away somewhere? The whole plot of Insurrection makes no sense whatsoever.

And don’t get me started on Nemesis…

232. The Governator - March 29, 2009

It is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT engineering. I repeat, NOT engineering, and yes I know this for a fact.

233. Harry Ballz - March 29, 2009

Are you sure?

:>)

234. McCoy - March 29, 2009

210 “You think pipes will look different in the future?”

I think you know what I mean, but I’ll play the game anyway. Pipes may look the same but how they connect together will probably be different. In general, I think the quickest way to add a high-tech flare to a 23rd century pipe location would be to organize the pipes. Right now, the room looks like a mess of pipes going many different directions with engineering problems solved on the fly. A starship designer would probably have a better designed system so that the pipes themselves would be more organized.

If I was designing a scene for a “pipe room” on the Enterprise, I would have used more white, gray and silver to help imply “future” and would have added some red trim to help tie it in with TOS. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to have more digital controls visible somewhere to help make it look computer-controlled.

235. The Governator - March 29, 2009

234. McCoy

A respectable answer.

236. Mister Man - March 29, 2009

Again… maybe a tad overreactive.

Remember that there were lots of things that Gene wanted to be seen in the original Star Trek that he couldn’t for lack of a budget. Now, granted, if the new Enterprise is anything like the projected size of the original – roughly the size of a WWII aircraft carrier – then the plumbing isn’t going to be that big, probably.

However, if it’s reimagined more in line with that old Scotty quote “A million gross tons of vessel” (Mudd’s Women), then it’s possible, and it gives the ship a look of something that’s alive and active instead “every important part of this ship is behind a panel in a corridor or a Jeffries tube and can be replaced with a hand tool.”

I’ve got to give some of the more vocal critics here some credit in the fact that they’ve suspended their disbelief about what fits and what doesn’t to the point of not letting anything that resembles real engineer being a part of it. Take a look at the plumbing in an office building you might work in one of these days. Water’s got to flow somewhere. And granted, even if it isn’t as futuristic looking, there may be some points where having a hand crank valve may by more advantageous – for whatever needs to flow. And, there’s the sense that maybe certain gadgets like that were put in for the sake of keeping a “human” element with the technology.

Redefining Star Trek with some of this realism isn’t going to do damage to it, seriously. Granted, there’s a possibility of some of it being gratuitous. The bright whites offset with the small color splashes seem to be the opposite of the battleship sterility of the first two pilots… as if it may be “too bright” and say “hey look, the future’s full of glitzy primary colors!” But then again, people had that criticism about the original series, too, to a degree.

Also, there were other opportunities to reinvent that were passed up, IMO, to maintain some ties to the original series.

I’ve said it before: that if all these things eventually come together to tell a good story then any liberties or reimaginings will be pretty much forgiven. Here’s to the story.

237. sean - March 29, 2009

#225

Errors and continuity issues are hardly unique to modern films. Plenty of classics are full of contradictions. And Titanic was full of anachronisms. Lord of the Rings was a fantasy, so there’s nothing for it to fail to match, other than the source material (and trust me, there were plenty of deviations). Books are full of errors too, I’m afraid.

And Star Trek, in all its various incarnations, is also full of ‘dumb’ things – like sound in space, for example. But it’s generally accepted as artistic license, and that’s how I view the pipes issue.

238. Liz - March 29, 2009

100. DigginJim – March 29, 2009
“water pipes in the enterprise? I hope not…. What about sonic showers and replicators – I didn’t think the ship needed a water supply”

Ya’ll must me TNG-era fans. No replicators in TOS.

Absolutely. How could tribbles have eaten all the replicated food the way they did the obviously non-replicated food on TOS. TOS had real food and real water. The truth is that it will be a LONG LONG time before we can replace the need for food or water/water pipes on earth or in space. Clear pipes makes a lot of sense. We’d do that on earth if we had the technology. It would be a fantastic way to find leaks or contamination.

I love it when Scotty – all wet from the pipes – says “I like this ship!” Pure Scotty!

239. sean - March 29, 2009

#230

TOS, TMP-TUC and TNG all established starships being built on the ground. This is not a new idea.

240. Brett Campbell - March 29, 2009

Pine’s reaction shots to Scotty in the pipes look like a nod to Shatner’s in Trek IV when Spock swims in the whale tank to mind-meld with Gracie.

241. CarlG - March 29, 2009

Maybe it’s a water recycling facility, or even a (ugh) liquid waste reclamation system.

Poor Scotty. Now I hope it’s Engineering, if only for his sake.

242. Rick Sternbach - March 29, 2009

#215 – The origin of the moving nacelle pylons was in fact the TNG episode about destroying the fabric of space, but only in a general way; there was nothing in dialogue about that in Voyager. The producers wanted -something- to articulate, and the nacelles was it. Nothing in DS9 or Voyager that happened after that saving-subspace episode really revisited the idea, and all ships just went about their merry way. Perhaps they simply tweaked the intermix formula.

#230 – Berman and Lauritson actually were pretty hands-off when it came to 95% of my designs. After the basics were approved, I got to do my thing with the details and the engineering, Starfleet or alien. If we had the occasional speedbump, it managed to get worked out over a few additional sketches.

For the record, I didn’t do designs for SOLARIS, much as I would have liked to. I did mostly static and animated graphics. PD Phil Messina and his crew did the set work and miniature design, and I suspect that if Phil had tackled this version of Trek, we wouldn’t be worrying about the bridge looking like an Apple store. Just MHO.

243. senwod - March 29, 2009

232: Then what is it?

244. Rusty0918 - March 29, 2009

I seriously doubt a water supply system on a 23rd century starship would look like what we’re seeing. And that Willy Wonka-style pipe…absurd in many ways.

I agree there should be pipes on vessels, but not like what we’re seeing here! I mean, for the valves and stuff, couldn’t you make them a bit more futuristic looking, rather than this old-fashioned stuff? Again, it looks extremely cheesy. Not to mention the obvious old-style electrical conduits. I wonder if we’ll see a brick wall or two.

You’d think they’d do better plumbing than this. I still say this is as much as a joke as stuff like that joystick in Insurrection. Yes other Trek movies as I said had their fair share of silly stuff…but this takes the cake.

Well…you’re right, we should focus on the story. But this part…words cannot describe how bad it is.

245. The Original Spock's Brain - March 29, 2009

234. McCoy – March 29, 2009
“If I was designing a scene for a “pipe room” on the Enterprise, I would have used more white, gray and silver to help imply “future” and would have added some red trim to help tie it in with TOS.”

“white, gray and silver to help imply “future””??

Now you’re just cracking me up…

246. kmart - March 29, 2009

239

It is a WRONG idea, a wrongheaded idea, and nothing in TOS or those flicks does anything to establish that notion. TNG or VOY had something about components fashioned on Mars, nothing more.

Christ, this place is as bad as trekbbs … the only smart and informed debate about the movie seems to be on James Bond websites, which surprisingly enough, seem to at least have people who know teensy bits about science and extrapolation and don’t have this science-neutered SW view of SF.

247. The Governator - March 29, 2009

Only 38 days to go!

And 8 days before the Sydney premiere. It is going to be an interesting few weeks.

As for the whole Scotty in the pipes thing, I suggest you all forget you ever saw it or heard of it until you see the movie.

248. Son of Surak - March 29, 2009

The action takes place about 250 years in the future, and yet filmgoers are supposed to believe that society will still be using what look EXACTLY LIKE 20th century flourescent light bulbs and electrical conduits on a brand new starship.

And on top of that, we’re supposed to believe that 23rd century Iowa farmers will still be using 4-strand barbed-wire fences with studded metal t-posts — just like today! Yeah, right.

IT DOESN’T SELL!

Please, somebody clean up these scenes with a little nip/tuck CGI work before release. I know that Star Trek has usually had a reputation for cheesy production values, but this film sports a $150,000,000+ budget, for crying out loud.

Emmy-Award winning SCOTT CHAMLISS is listed on IMDB.com as the production designer for this film, SO THANKS A LOT SCOTT. You are responsible for this garbage. And thanks for the iBridge, too, by the way. Not your best work, pal.

Okay, now that I’ve got that off my chest, I can’t wait until May 8. Nothing is ever perfect, and it looks like this may be a very fine film. I’m extremely hopeful at this point.

249. Chris Basken - March 29, 2009

248: “And on top of that, we’re supposed to believe that 23rd century Iowa farmers will still be using 4-strand barbed-wire fences with studded metal t-posts — just like today! Yeah, right.”

Why not? Sure, cutting edge fence technology might change by then, but there are plenty of fences in use now that would have looked right at home 250 years ago.

I live in a house that looks like it was designed 200 years ago. Not everyone likes modern architecture.

A lot of modern items use advanced technology in their production and even their components, but also still look like something that was made generations or even centuries ago. I would expect cars 100 years from now to still basically look like cars (maybe sleeker or whatever the vogue is), even if under the hood they’re built completely differently.

250. Mike Johnson - March 29, 2009

Clear pipes make sense especially when looking for blockages.

And when you make metal transparent like they can in Star Trek then why not.

My most annoying ST Movie moment was in Generations when all the windows on the Big-E shattered like glass – Does anyone remember the next gen episode they were staring at a window on the Big-E and someone asked Data what he saw and his reply was something like “I see defects in the metallic transparency” or something like that.

251. S. John Ross - March 29, 2009

#248: “And on top of that, we’re supposed to believe …”

Actually, I’m pretty sure we’re _not_ supposed to believe. It’s, like, fiction and stuff.

252. Z - March 29, 2009

first! i like it! :D waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah…. can’t it be may 8th already?

253. CarlG - March 29, 2009

@246: It doesn’t really matter where the Enterprise is built, it matters where she’s going to take us.

254. OR Coast Trekkie - March 29, 2009

We’ll see how Scotty gets stuck in the water pipes.

I don’t see the problem with this scene. You still have to get water throughout the ship. You still have to treat sewage. Remember, even in Enterprise, they still had the ability to separate out the waste from the water, and re-use the waste to make boots. I would imagine that water/sewer reclamation falls under “life support.”

255. Chris Fawkes - March 29, 2009

Marketing to the decision makers in the family, the kids. Brilliant.

About time someone other than McDonalds worked that out.

256. Chris Fawkes - March 29, 2009

I’m having to decide wether to go to the premier at the Opera House in Sydney next Tuesday.

257. Mr. Anonymous - March 29, 2009

How does everyone know the story of the film already? Like, how does anyone know that Scotty was on Delta Vega? I guess I’ve been avoiding spoilers better than I thought I was…heh.

258. Ryan - March 29, 2009

Let’s say the plumbing is controlled by automatic valve systems. What’s going to happen if power goes out all over a ship like in ST IV or the TNG episode “Disaster”? There has to be a manual control for vital life support systems, like the water flow, otherwise the 23rd or 24th century technology is rendered completely useless.

259. catchupwiththesun - March 29, 2009

Maybe when they transwarp beam from Delta Vega, poor Scotty happens to beam directly into the water pipe.

Also, I don’t think they’re going to have water pipes next to the warp core. This is probably a separate area, rather than part of main engineering. I’m curious about what the warp core looks like.

Some of this complaining seems reminiscent of the San Francisco guy and his issue with buildings of the future.This bit with Scotty is going to be maybe one minute of a two hour movie. Shouldn’t be too big of a deal when the movie comes out, unless Nero sends in troops to sabotage the pipes and flood the ship.

I’ve been a fan of Trek my whole life. I hope they got the characters right (which, I must say, I am optimistic about). I don’t care as much about the water pipes.

May 8th, get here quick.

And Mr. Sternbach, I like the Delta Flyer a lot.

260. TrekMadeMeWonder - March 29, 2009

Hopefully they are tying the E’s Engines into the transporters as an explaination. I always thought they should be used together in operation.

A beam-up malfunction?
Scotty was suppossed to be having trouble with that.

261. darrksan - March 29, 2009

well that TV trailer was new type of bad.
Scotty inside water pipes? WTF

looks like Space Mutiny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY

262. captain_neill - March 29, 2009

A cool trailer
despite my concerns for the look of the ship and sets I am more excited about seeing this film. I think it will be a great movie. I think in time I can get use to the differences.

I think engineering looks a bit too industrial for my liking and more today rather than the 23rd Century. I hope that the water pipe sequence is not going to belittle the character of Scotty.

263. Mel - March 30, 2009

Is the Nickelodeon video on youtube, too? I can’t watch it at http://www.nick.com.

264. Davey - March 30, 2009

I haven’t SEEN this trailer yet (as I’m at work) but the first thing I was reminded of when I read this article was that stupid scene in The Phantom Menace where Jar-Jar bonks the pitdroid on the nose, or when Jar-Jar gets his face zapped in the podracer beam, or when Ja-

That’s what it is! This scene reminds me of every shitty comedic relief attempt made in any movie ever!

Bad form JJ. If this is indicative of the rest of the film, this will be the new Phantom Menace.

265. NaradaAlpha - March 30, 2009

#88—kirks era=pre-replicator… replicator=picard era… you=fail

unless…anthony…any word from the tech designers on the new film as to if theyre stickin with the no replicators in the 23rd century angle here or if to adjust for a more advanced techno-development curve theyre gonna have replicators on kirks ship…?

266. Paulaner - March 30, 2009

Do you remember the kitchen in ST6, with cooking pans and cookwares? I personally like this crude designs better than the aseptic look and feel of TNG.

267. NaradaAlpha - March 30, 2009

#196–the reason voyagers nacelles moved is in the TNG episode Force of Nature it was revealed that warp fields damage subspace… the moving nacelles, or variable-geometry nacelles, were designed to alter the geometry of the warp fields to reduce subspace damage; kinda the equivalent of a car with reduced CO2 emissions…

268. Mr Lirpa - March 30, 2009

@160

So in the future there will be no need for a manual cut off? even on current self activating taps that you see in many public toilets today there has to be a manual cut of hidden away under the sink so that if the system fails you can isolate it.

it make sense that they will still need to do the same thing in the future, unless they develop smart water that is…

269. Paulaner - March 30, 2009

#268 “So in the future there will be no need for a manual cut off?”

This is one of the things that bothered me about TNG designs. A lot of working things were based on energy fields. I see this as a fragile technology, prone to malfunctions and shutdown problems. My perception of a spaceship is of a huge thing that has to be rock-solid.

270. Son of Surak - March 30, 2009

251 — “Actually, I’m pretty sure we’re _not_ supposed to believe. It’s, like, fiction and stuff.”

Actually, S. John Ross, like, no. Like, you ARE supposed to believe. When you’re in the theatre, watching the film, you ARE supposed to believe. Because whenever a movie fails to enable you to suspend your disbelief, then at that instant, it begins to suck. And it keeps sucking until you are distracted back into the film.

And it is the job of the production designer (SCOTT CHAMLISS, in this case) to make sure his film does NOT suck by NOT allowing things like 20th century electrical conduits and fencing t-posts to show up in the frame of a movie that is set in the 23rd century.

249 — “Why not? Sure, cutting edge fence technology might change by then, but there are plenty of fences in use now that would have looked right at home 250 years ago.”

Chris, in principle, you’re absolutely right. But the principle doesn’t apply in the case at hand — the fence doesn’t work in the Iowa scene for same reason that a GE compact florescent light bulb wouldn’t work in other Star Trek scenes — it’s a transient technology and it looks anachronistic to (at least some of) the audience. Things like split-rail wooden fences will always be functional and add interest to a landscape, but barbed-wire and t-posts are ugly and undesirable to keep around for several reasons.

To further make my point in stupefying detail (sorry), let me just point out that the fence in the Iowa scene is actually five-strand barbed wire with studded t-posts painted green with a band of white paint along the top edge. That is EXACTLY what millions of people see every day when they drive to work; you can buy these EXACT t-posts at places like Home Depot. They are not exotic; you can see them between L.A. and Palmdale.

Steel t-posts were not even around when I was a little kid and they’re already obsolete, really. T-posts are dangerous for horses. And barbed wire itself can harm livestock – it is still in use only because it’s more economical than current alternatives. Hopefully, it will be replaced completely by the end of our own century.

So the 23rd century barbed-wire fence just WON’T SELL to a lot of viewers of Star Trek. If feasible, it needs to be removed from the final cut.

This isn’t a Star Trek fanboy issue, by the way. It’s a quality of production filmmaking issue. Too bad production designer SCOTT CHAMBLISS was out to lunch, or out visiting the Apple Store for design ideas, or whatever he was doing, instead of paying attention to the details of this $150,000,000 budget film.

271. Paulaner - March 30, 2009

#270 “That is EXACTLY what millions of people see every day when they drive to work; you can buy these EXACT t-posts at places like Home Depot. They are not exotic; you can see them between L.A. and Palmdale.”

In my opinion, this is exactly what the designers always wanted: show that Star Trek is not an abstract world, but it’s directly tied to our own. The welders, the fence, the pipes with valves and wheels, it’s a clear artistic direction. We can like or dislike it, but it’s not a lazy choice.

272. cinemadeus - March 30, 2009

After all, Star Trek’s going steam punk…huh.
Why else should the Enterprise’s guts look like the lower sections of a 20th century freighter?

273. Chris Fawkes - March 30, 2009

@270
Way off base. In fact this film will be a huge hit because people will be able to suspend their disbelief.

The number of detractors will be insignificant in terms of having any impact on box office takings for that very reason.

At last Trek is going to be made properly.

274. S. John Ross - March 30, 2009

#270: “[…] you ARE supposed to believe. […] whenever a movie fails to enable you to suspend your disbelief […]”

There is a vast gulf between the willing suspension of disbelief and actually _believing_ something. If you don’t know enough truly religious (or patriotic, or fanboyish) people to help you make the comparision, then count yourself lucky … but in the meantime, you’re changing the subject.

And it seems traditional for folk complaining about fiction to omit the word “willing” from the original phrase … probably because it would undercut the righteous drama of their woes. But the thing is, I _am_ willing, and that means the film has no responsiblity whatsoever to “enable” me to suspend my disbelief. I have that precious thing that pedants would stamp out of the human race if they could: I have an imagination, and the eagerness to switch it on.

“This isn’t a Star Trek fanboy issue, by the way.”

I hate to be the one to break the tragic news to you, but Star Trek is a television program, and this movie is spinoff merchandise.

This film may well suck (I hope it doesn’t, but my hopes are … cautious, to say the least) but if it _does_ suck, it’s much more likely, I think, to be about trite dialogue, forced humor, or compromising the kung-fu sexy optomistic awesomeness of TOS to make a glossy blockbuster dollar. The details of the set-dressing can no more undo the movie than a bit of wilted parsley can undo the sizzling slab of New York Strip that it garnishes.

And to #271: Indeed, sir.

275. choiland - March 30, 2009

The water pipe scene has the potential to be like the droid factory scene in SW Episode II. This film might be very disappointing. Like those SW prequels. I have a bad feeling about this. Also, what about the San Francisco building height argument? I missed that one.

276. Son of Surak - March 30, 2009

271 wrote: “The welders, the fence, the pipes with valves and wheels, it’s a clear artistic direction. We can like or dislike it, but it’s not a lazy choice.”

Well, Paulaner, I have to admit, that’s entirely plausible. I don’t think the direction works well in the specifics I addressed above, but you are right, these things might not be oversights. If not, mea culpa Scott Chambliss.

Incidentally, I was not one of the critics who objected to the retro-styled welders in the teaser. I assumed that they and the old voiceovers were just elements of an artistic device intended to extrude the viewer through time from the development of the American space program to the development of the Enterprise. I thought that worked brilliantly for the trailer, but I never thought it would show up in the film.

I wish the creative team would have discreetly and discerningly applied the same darned retro styling to the bridge set. As it is, I keep thinking I’ll find USB ports and iPods lying around the bridge in the HD trailer shots. Hacks me off.

277. Alec - March 30, 2009

101. The Governator – March 29, 2009:

The background (as opposed to the pipe sequence itself) behind Pine is a real set, you say? It didn’t look like it to me; but, then again, we only have a low quality video clip…

I wasn’t impressed by this trailer. But it’s a kid’s trailer. So that it didn’t appeal to me is unsurprising. The main problem I have, with all of these trailers, is that it’s pretty much the same footage in each. There’s very little new material.

And when will the marketing for this film take-off? I haven’t seen any trailers or TV spots on TV here in the UK. Paramount should start aggressively promoting the new film (in a progressive fashion) beginning in April.

278. dfinn - March 30, 2009

Rats.

I’ve been following TrekMovie for the past …well, since I first got the first image for the first ‘teaser’ poster (the Starfleet emblem on the blue and gold background)… and that must have been two years ago.

So, while I’m thinking about it: thanks, Anthony, for a GREAT site! You’ve got a loyal fan in me!

I’ve loved reading the articles, hearing the insights, and speculating along with others.

Problem is, it’s getting so close, and I want the movie to be fresh and… well, as Scotty says, “exciting”. Its getting so that the trailers have given me a LOT of information — almost too much.

I’ll still be watching TrekMovie on a daily basis, because I love the articles on upcoming SciFi projects, things happening in TV Land, and etc. But the ones like this one… I’m going to have to avoid it. I want the movie to be fun, exciting and new for me, and I can’t do that if I catch every trailer and scene out there.

279. thebiggfrogg - March 30, 2009

40. I’m starting to feel like you about Lucas involvement. First, the little person sidekick, then the balloon hands on Kirk, and now THIS water pipe thing. Hopefully, I’m wrong but this is looking to insert 6-year-old Jar Jar Binks-style humor in the mix. I’m hope I’m wrong and either, the goofy-ass stuff is on the cutting room floor or it ain’t as bad as it looks on first blush. Hearing Scotty might be “comic relief” has me worried about the little person sidekick and this bit.

280. The Angry Klingon - March 30, 2009

Now you folks see why I was disdainful of using the brewery to shoot the Engineering scenes…it looks like crap. We have this ultra high tech new ship with an engine room that looks like the Titanic….its like putting a Ferrari body on a tricycle. Still hoping the movie is good but there were some poor design choices,

281. Star Trackie - March 30, 2009

Well, I’d advise a lot of you people to never look under your house, or between floors in a high rise, or take the case on your computer, because your not gonna like what you see!

Loved the trailer, and the tubes. I made no assumption that this was on the ship, I didn’t know who it was, or where it was. But I could tell they were in trouble, whoever they were, by Kirk’s reaction. Looking forward to see how it all plays out in the movie.

282. Decker's Stubble - March 30, 2009

So, when Scotty ends up in the pipe, do Ferengis trot out and sing:

OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DOO
I’VE GOT A PERFECT PUZZLE FOR YOU
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
IF YOU ARE WISE YOU’LL LISTEN ME
WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOUR BEAMING GOES BAD
SENDING A SCOTSMAN INTO PIPES IS SAD
WHAT ARE YOU AT LEAVING OUT SHAT
WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL COME OF THAT
I DON’T LIKE THE LOOK OF IT
OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DAR
IF YOU’RE NOT GREEDY YOU WILL GO FAR
YOU WILL LIVE IN HAPPINESS TOO
LIKE THE OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DO
DOOMPADEE DOO

283. Steve - March 30, 2009

Never seen such a fuss kicked up over there being water pipes on a space ship- i think water might still be an important factor in being alive in 200 years time.
And as for the guy who couldn’t understand why pressure valves and pumps are present instead of something electronic to control the flow of water- yeah, lets go with with electronic controls for a valuable necessity and pray to god that an EMP or something or other doesn’t fry them out.
Hells teeth, what ever happned to common sense?

284. Mr. X - March 30, 2009

What ever happened to Sci Fi designs looking like Sci Fi designs?

Water pipes, this room looks like an oil rig. My ass.

285. ucdom - March 30, 2009

#282

Possibly the best post on this site, ever.

286. Dennis Bailey - March 30, 2009

Meh. It would have been better if the lyrics scanned with the melody.

287. Picard's barber - March 30, 2009

Ya know, people never complained when Kirk was out laying pipe all over the galaxy, but when a few pipes show up on the Enterprise all hell breaks lose. Get over it people.

288. Jarod - March 30, 2009

But what did you expect? They are using bar code scanners on the bridge set!

289. Me - March 30, 2009

Looks lame!

290. NaradaAlpha - March 30, 2009

#284= yo, Mr. X.., its obvious they wanted with the water pipe system to make it look like what youd see on THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER ENTERPRISE, as a nod to the crew of the real-life Enterprise… also, in case you havent noticed, the oil-rig-looking water pipe system is a nod to the 90s film Armageddon which JJ Abrams wrote..as is the shape of the Narada (Neros ship), and the use of a mining rig, and a lot of the story from what we’ve seen seems modified from Armageddon’s plotline, intergrafted with elements from Star Wars and even Superman (if Vulcan is destroyed thatd make Spock akin to Clark Kent in the new timeline…if not then Kirk would serve the role, and does anyway, as does he also serve the role of Luke Skywalker and elder Spock of Obi-Wan… Nero is akin to Lex Luthor or an evil version of Harry Stamper (Bruce Willis’s character) from Armageddon)…

291. Dennis sisterson - March 30, 2009

I wonder if I can sue them for stealing my designs for “Steam Trek – The Moving Picture”?

292. NaradaAlpha - March 30, 2009

Sure u can, #291…why dont you go get Denny Crane to represent you and then see what Paramounts storm trooper lawyer brigade does to you in court… and when sharing a tiny cell with a big dude named Bubba who aint had no lovin in years and likes you, you can reminisce fondly about when u asked this question…LMFAO

293. Red Shirt - March 30, 2009

Anthony,

This trailer is not running with the 2D versions only. Saw it with Monsters V. Aliens here in Fort Worth, in 3-D on Friday…

Red Shirt OUT!

294. That One Guy - March 30, 2009

The phasers are red,
The nacelles are blue
I’ll still see this movie,
So how about you?

295. Red Shirt - March 30, 2009

So, Scotty beamed into the bowels of the Titanic, so what of it?!?!?

296. Capatin April - March 30, 2009

More likely Scotty is in a pipe on Delta Vega, looks like the same type of station we saw in”Where No Man has Gone Before”.

297. Daoud - March 30, 2009

There once smelled a fellow named Scotty–
Who while beaming had to go potty

With his clothing now ‘ripe’,
He beamed into the pipe.

And now doesn’t smell all so naughty.

298. OneBuckFilms - March 30, 2009

294 – You was a Poet, and didn’t know it !!!

299. Star Trackie - March 30, 2009

#296 “More likely Scotty is in a pipe on Delta Vega, looks like the same type of station we saw in”Where No Man has Gone Before”.

Yep, makes sense.

300. thorsten - March 30, 2009

CCC

301. Rahan - March 30, 2009

- Star Trek is that kind of show very suitable for children…

302. sean - March 30, 2009

#246

The dedication plaque on the bridge for TOS and every movie stated the ship was built in SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF. Unless a station in orbit of our planet was named San Francisco California then that ship or at least it’s sections were built on Earth. TNG showed the saucer and drive sections of a Galaxy Class starship being built on the surface of Mars. They didn’t allude to it, they didn’t talk about component construction – they SHOWED it.

I am not an aerospace engineer, nor do I have any scientific degrees. I can’t speak to how reasonable or unreasonable it is to build the ship on the ground (though I’ve heard plenty of opinions going both ways from people who do posses such expertise). The only thing I’ve stated is that Trek had previously established this method of building starships. So the producers, etc. are simply keeping with tradition. If you think it’s absurd or wrongheaded, you need to talk to Rodenberry & his original crew.

303. sean - March 30, 2009

#287

“Ya know, people never complained when Kirk was out laying pipe all over the galaxy, but when a few pipes show up on the Enterprise all hell breaks lose. Get over it people.”

Now THAT is quite possibly the best post ever! :)

304. For what you dream of - March 30, 2009

- I just can wait any longer…

305. NC Trekker - March 30, 2009

Who needs a toilet when you have transporter technology?

306. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - March 30, 2009

Scotty looks like he’ll be the Jar-Jar Binks of this movie.

307. Sam Belil - March 30, 2009

#300 Thorsten — How are you? Hope you’re well.
My take is that is NOT the engine room, but a room thats actually on Delta Vega!!! No way that can be an engine room on the Enterprise!!!
BEST REGARDS!
SB

308. thorsten - March 30, 2009

@306…

Come on, TTPTP, that is not fair.
Simon Pegg is a great guy, and even if he is comic relief when he arrives on the Enterprise, there will be a lot of serious acting too.

309. thorsten - March 30, 2009

Yo Sam!
Let’s wait and see ;))

310. Ryan - March 30, 2009

#308 an excellent example is Pegg in the movie Run Fatboy Run. He’s both funny and serious actor.

311. Starxtrex - March 30, 2009

- Exactly..how big is a trek toilet seat..!?!..

312. TonyD - March 30, 2009

A lot of people are speculating that the “boiler room” is in fact some kind of water reclamation system for the ship. If that’s the case, then its still a poor design. By way of comparison, check out this link to the International Space Station’s water reclamation system:

http://www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/detail/nasaNAS%7E9%7E9%7E58055%7E161899:

NASA’s clean design – which actually works today, shows just how naive and out of touch some of the movie’s designs really are, like the obvious barcode scanners all over the bridge.

The whole “boiler room” thing has become one of those cheap sci-fi cliches that always falls within the realm of unimaginative, low-budget flick that couldn’t afford to build a real set. It doesn’t look futuristic. It doesn’t look otherworldly. It just looks like what it is – a basement with a lot of pipes – and there’s no excuse for such a pedestrian, unimaginative set in such an otherwise futuristic movie.

313. Duncan MacLeod - March 30, 2009

196 – The BOP from Voyage Home did the same thing. Its not without precedent

314. SChaos1701 - March 30, 2009

270

“This isn’t a Star Trek fanboy issue”

Yes it is.

315. Mr. Bob Dobalina - March 30, 2009

Maybe it’s not drinking water or sewage. If it’s on Delta Vega, maybe it has something to do with the mining operations there. We really don’t know.

316. Danny - March 30, 2009

312 – Alot of people are speculating on a few seconds of video simply showing pipes. I don’t think any one can make any kind of conclusion until we see the actual movie or JJ ouright says what that set is.

317. TonyD - March 30, 2009

#316; Fair enough; I was just going by the caption under the photo: “New shots of Scotty (Simon Pegg) trapped inside water pipes on board the Enterprise after beaming on board from Delta Vega”

318. thorsten - March 30, 2009

@317…

LOL!

319. Brad - March 30, 2009

312.

The ISS is a mere fraction of the size of the Enterprise. The ISS’s water reclamation system has already had problems, and is only designed to support a maximum of 6 people. What is the crew of the Enterprise? Several hundred?

People have argued that pipes arren’t needed in the 24th century. They are incorrect. People have argued that replicators are the reason why pipes shouldn’t exist. One must remember that replicators weren’t developed until the TNG era and were not available during TOS. Further, there were still PLENTLY of pipes and conduits on the NCC-1701-D. If you don’t believe me, then go read the Star Trek: TNG Technical Manual. Read the section on ship systems and waste recycling. According to that, there are plently of pipes on the D. I would assume there would be even more on the 1701. You’d be an idiot to think otherwise.

320. Jim - March 30, 2009

319 – hate to break it to you but there’s a LOT of stuff that wasn’t in the TOS era that seems to be showing up in this flick.

321. TonyD - March 30, 2009

#319 – Brad

We went from the Wright Brothers’ single seat plane to luxury air liners that can hold hundreds of people in less than a century; so I think its fair to say that NASA’s cleaner design paradign could be extended to support several hundred people in twice that amount of time. Given the size of the ship you could easily have one of those systems for every 8 cabins and by then I’d expect the technology to be that much smaller. And that’s just one solution; I’m sure there are other more imaginative ones than a room full of pipes.

And regardless of what is or isn’t scientifically feasible over two centuries from now (I seriously doubt either of us will be around anyway), the bottom line for me is that based on those clips and photos, the boiler room just looks cheap and unconvincing. I could care less what a theoretical manual about a spaceship that doesn’t even exist says. As others have said, water wheels are already on the way out today; to see them on a spaceship supposedly capable of faster than light speed over two hundred years into the future is just plain hokey no matter how you try to justify it.

322. Transparent aluminum - March 30, 2009

319 has valid points. Let it be.

312 – “NASA’s clean design – which actually works today, shows just how naive and out of touch some of the movie’s designs really are, like the obvious barcode scanners all over the bridge.”

Do you even know what the function of those scanners are?

I think we’re in for a wonderful high-tech surprise (namely holography or some other form of display, or other function). C’mon. We’re talking about a production team that is taking into the 23rd century. Piping exists; low-tech still has its place. And there will be high-tech additions that will be as unique to 2009 audiences as the transporter, hypospray, tricorder, communicator and phaser (among others) were to 1966 audiences.

323. Transparent aluminum - March 30, 2009

By the way, folks, the TOS Enterprise had piping. It’s evident in the corridors, Jefferies Tubes, lateral access areas (with the ladder). We saw it on the Enterprise, Constellation and the Exeter.

So what if the nexus point for those pipes looks low-tech? Yeah, I think Chambliss has done a poor job of envisioning certain aspects of the revised TOS universe. We have clear sections (transparent aluminum?) which indicate high-tech materials are being used. I do agree that it looks too cliche to other old sci-fi movies/shows.

Personally, I want to see Main Engineering BEFORE I make a damning judgment. Like many, I can’t envision the look of this pipe room/area matching the Enterprise design aesthetic. Either it’s the gritty bowels of the ship (which is weird, given the stark, sterile look of the bridge, corridors) or the lower decks are simply unfinished areas.

324. sean - March 30, 2009

#312

The bar code scanners are such a non-issue, I can’t even believe this continues to be brought up. 99% of the audience will not recognize them as bar code scanners, and the majority of the 1% that do only will because they’ve seen this information on the internet. It is no more ridiculous than McCoy using a microphone to ‘scan’ heartbeats or the blinking light displays that clearly don’t do anything.

325. sean - March 30, 2009

#313

The BOP’s engines were not in the ‘wings’, though.

326. Magic_Al - March 30, 2009

Putting an old-fashioned pipe room on the Enterprise explains why Kirk was famous for laying pipe. Put that in the kids’ trailer.

327. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - March 30, 2009

TrekMovie.com should probably mention the fact that, like “Quantum of Solace,” the Star Trek trailer isn’t attached to ALL releases of “Monsters VS Aliens.”

I went to see the 2D version of that film, and arrived in time to see all the trailers, and I didn’t see one for Star Trek.

328. Spock's Uncle - March 30, 2009

It was a salt shaker, the original medical scanner… a salt shaker… Clear pipes, definitely “futuristic”. I have been aboard many vessels (Navy, cruise ships) and I’ve seen pipes, but not clear pipes. Everybody relax. You’re reacting to one tenth of one percent of the movie. That would be like deciding to date a girl upon seeing only 1 folicle of hair. Watch the whole movie, twice maybe, THINK about it, then react. Remember: What Would Spock Do? WWSD…. You’re better than a bunch of knee-jerk reactionaries. Trek fans are thoughtful, open minded, and adventurous, though I see little evidence of that in many of these posts.

329. Trekee - March 30, 2009

Dunno – Kirk being a bit “goofball” brought me up short but if it’s the new version of engineering, then fair enough. Not what I was expecting exactly, but there’s not too long to go until we find out how much we’re being directed and misdirected by trailers and TV spots.

Just over a month to go now people…

@328 – I think Spock would find it illogical, surely?

330. RD - March 30, 2009

Yes, Willy Wonka!!! LOL Willy Wonka meets Titacnic!!!

Either that or considering this is a time travel movie, they actually beamed onboard the TItanic a la the pilot of The Time Tunnel.

Remember this is an alternate universe, so water systems may be like the ducts in Terry Gilliam’s Brazil. We’ve been assuming this particular universe was identical to TOS universe we all know and love, but perhaps it was even different before Nero came along to muck it up – a universe where water systems were not considered important enough to invest significant development costs into. Lets face it, the toilet has not changed a whole heck-of-a-lot in over a 100 years.

However, I must admit the water system on this ship seems a lot more spacious than it should be for a Starship. They should have taken a look at how such systems are implemented on a submarine or battleship.

Bottom line, they know they are going primarily after kids (the next generation of fans) and since Abrams is such a Star Wars fan, how do you best do that? EWOKS! Yes pandering to the lowest common denominator ALWAYS works.

331. Geoffers - March 30, 2009

Oh jeez.. it’s a f**King film.. and you are picking appart how realistic a water treatment works for a star ship looks… JUST ENJOYTHE BLOODY FILM!

332. rangerone314 - March 30, 2009

Tempest in a teapot about water pipes. In the 23rd century they will still carry water in pipes.

I suppose instead of toilets you could contact the transporter room for a “transport code #2″ or “”transport code #1″ for VERY precise beaming.

Or maybe there is ANOTHER reason why you had various people taking the center seat on the bridge!

333. sean - March 30, 2009

#328

I’m referring to the lifesign indicator from ‘Court Martial’. It was a microphone, plain as day. They didn’t even bother dressing it up.

334. Star Trackie - March 30, 2009

#317 #316; Fair enough; I was just going by the caption under the photo: “New shots of Scotty (Simon Pegg) trapped inside water pipes on board the Enterprise after beaming on board from Delta Vega”

..and we know this is fact? Who here has seen the movie to verify it?

335. Brad - March 30, 2009

TonyD, you’re an idiot. This is why:

And I quote you, “I could care less what a theoretical manual about a spaceship that doesn’t even exist says.”

Dude, you just took your foot and shoved it half way down your throat!! If you don’t care about what doesn’t exist, then why the hell are you bitching about a scene from a movie you haven’t even seen yet, a scene in which we have no context to and no confirmation that it IS actually onboard the Enterprise (other than Trekmovie.com’s speculation), and a scene on a ship that DOES NOT EXIST!!! You must be one of those hippy lovin’ liberals or something to contradict yourself like that!! LoL. DO WE REALLY KNOW FOR SURE that the “pipes” scene is ACTUALLY on board the Enterprise and not somewhere else?? I’ve not seen an confirmation that it IS on the Enterpise, and therefore I will withhold my judgement until I actually SEE the movie.

The next reason you’re an idiot is due to economics. You say we’ve gone from the Wright Brothers to luxury airliners? Dude, we had airliners 50 years ago, and many of the basic systems on those airliners are the same or very similar to those that are rolling out of the factory today. On to my point about economics. I’m sure Starfleet (a fictional entity that does not exist) surely has to factor in the costs associate with fabricating, installing and maintaining each piece of equipment on a starship (starships don’t exist either). Even thought you think that putting small poop and pee recyclers to work for every 8 cabins on board a starship might be cool and efficient, it would be FAR more expensive to do so. Pipes are less expensive than poo recycling machines, and can route waste materials to a single centralized system with primary and backup systems so that all major repairs can take place in a controlled environment instead of at random locations all around a ship. This keeps costs down, weight aboard the ship down, maintenance costs down, the list goes on.

But, as you said, none of it exists anyway, so it doesn’t matter, right Tony?? Why don’t you follow Spock’s example and use logic before you go putting your foot in your mouth again.

336. Tak Kovacs - March 30, 2009

Again, another awesome trailer. I am so glad that I am not burdened by whatever it is that kills people’s imagination.

I’m curious how Scotty ends up in that predicament. A necessary choice? A bad situation that gets increasingly worse?

I can’t wait to see how the tube scene plays out. Scotty downplaying some “bigger” technical heroics? Kirk saving the day? Beaming out of the tube at the last second?

Even though the humor in TOS is something I remember the most, I don’t even see anything remotely humorous in this new scene. The Scotty line plays out as somewhat funny, but I think it, again, is just Scotty downplaying the entire situation. Pegg’s Scotty is probably a brilliant tech with a sense of humble humor. Sounds good.

Also, is there really an issue with fence technology? That is hilarious. I can’t wait for this shiny future when soybean farmers decide to go all high-tech to protect the soybeans. C’mon. The Iowa farmers are going to have a lot of other priorities, like that new flying tractor they have their eye on. :)

337. Anthony Pascale - March 30, 2009

Brad after being warned you went ahead and continued flaming
banned for a week

338. Daoud - March 30, 2009

#335 Please, step away from the keyboard? K?

339. S. John Ross - March 30, 2009

#275 sez “The water pipe scene has the potential to be like the droid factory scene in SW Episode II.”

That sums up my concerns about it. It’s impossible to really judge from the trailer, since the trailer could be deliberately misleading*, but the impression that the trailer gives is of a trite scene of forced physical comedy.

* Why so many trailers _bother_ to deliberately mislead is another, even more puzzling, topic, but there it is anyway.

340. Chris Basken - March 30, 2009

312: “NASA’s clean design – which actually works today, shows just how naive and out of touch some of the movie’s designs really are, like the obvious barcode scanners all over the bridge.”

Hm, scale that puppy up by 50-100 times (the proportional increase in crew from the ISS to the Enterprise) and you’d end up with something not unlike what we’re seeing in the trailer…

341. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 30, 2009

Dunno Anthony

To be fair I think there should be some trolling warning to the other side as well. Seems there are a number of sycophants here who get pretty nasty at any sort of critisism and have appointed themselves as your personal Brownshirts.

If we are going to police speech here I’d like to see some of this vitriol from the self appointed love it or leave it crowd policed as well were it seems even if you like or love the premise of the film you get attacked as some kind of hater for any critisism even for the seeminly dopey comic relief water pipe scenario.

Button pushing goes both ways. It can be subtle or overt. In both case it’s nasty button pushing. Personally I say bring it from both sides but if were are going to sew the lips shut on certain angry critics let’s shut the lips on the self appointed protectors of all things Trek as well

342. Sybok's Secret Brother - March 30, 2009

Wow – I’m just here cuz I like Star Trek.

I think it is odd that the folks that follow GR’s vision of the future have become divided in all these camps that in-fight so much.

IDIC – It’s not just for selling memorabilia…

…well, ok, it was at first, but hey it’s still a good idea…

343. rangerone314 - March 30, 2009

I just figured something out. In Star Trek III Scotty says “The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain”

Maybe that scene with the water pipe is a reference to that (or vice versa)

344. Jorg Sacul - March 30, 2009

# 187 This is the guy who managed to make Cardassian space stations, Federation starships and Klingon warships all look as though they were designed by the same hand, ” whose contribution to the noble history of Federation starship design was to imitate the Battlestar Galactica and whose era in Trek can only rationally be described as “decline and fall.
Sternbach disapproving is like a weathervane pointing directly which way to go.

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are you frakking kidding me? What Star Trek were you watching? Sternbach’s designs were/are genius. DS9 looked NOTHING like Federation or Klingon work- and as to the Klingons and Fed tech looking similar, it was the Klingons “borrowing” from their new allies (the Federation) to make their ships more efficient and powerful.

Imitate Battlestar Galactica? I don’t know what you’re smoking, but it’s not legal, I’m sure. Klingon ship design after TMP all was in the vein of the D7A battlecruiser made for that movie. Heavy armor, massive weapons. Even the sleek Bird of Prey was coarse up close. Maybe you should look at these programs on something better than YouTube. I don’t believe you’ve ever seen these designs on a display bigger than an iPod.

Sheesh.

345. Rick Sternbach - March 30, 2009

#344 – Thanks for the thumbs-up. In fact, the Klingon Vor’cHa class attack cruiser was the only ship that was intended to display a small amount of technology transfer with Starfleet. Some folks like it, some don’t. It’s also pretty amusing to see how many people get my stuff confused with designs by John Eaves, Jim Martin, Doug Drexler, Dan Curry, Tim Earls, and maybe some of the ILM crowd. For us, it wasn’t just a job, it was an adventure. :)

346. John from Cincinnati - March 30, 2009

So, we have an ultra-futuristic looking bridge with an ultra-retro looking Engineering department. If anything, shouldn’t those concepts be reversed?

People criticize the TOS Enterprise but at least it looked consistent and like the same ship throughout.

347. John from Cincinnati - March 30, 2009

Is it possible the water pipes scene is still on Delta Vega? As in a failed transport attempt?

348. CarlG - March 30, 2009

@347: Could be, I’m leaning towards it being a water recycling / reclamation facility on the Enterprise, myself.

349. TrekMadeMeWonder - March 30, 2009

347. John from Cincinnati

That was covered above (#260)

Sorry, but I have been critisizing the poor set design and speculating that the Engineering department would be the most disatifying portion of this movie for over a year now.

Looks like I was right!

Somehow this movie has the highest budget of all Trek movies, yet they can’t seem to get basic logical set design correct. IF this is Engineering, then I have been vindicated. They should have done the Engineering redesign and reshoots in December, as i suggested.

But then I could be comepletely wrong. I have not seen the film and I welcome the chance to be proved entirely wrong.

Please, for the love of Kirk, let me be wrong!!!!

350. Daoud - March 30, 2009

Hmmm, maybe this Engineering deck is temporary. The permanent Engineering model that’s all futuristic isn’t going to be installed until next Tuesday. ;) Hey, Vulcan’s on the firing line, we have to go *now*!

351. tribble - March 30, 2009

lol yes its all going to be there on tuesday :)

LOOOOL

352. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 31, 2009

I’m so bored with the naysayers saying “nay” about EVERYTHING from barcode scanners, to lights, to water pipes. BORING!

Here’s what I noticed: the pipes look functional. This is a good thing. I like that the Enterprise will have sections that look functional, as well as ultra-slick looking corridors near the bridge. This says to me that the interior design has been imagined as practical, useful, and human-scaled.

353. murph - March 31, 2009

Looks like the engine room on the Aircraft Carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65), where I worked for 5 years…

354. Steve - March 31, 2009

Just one thing to say to everyone complaining about water pipes, barcode scanners and starship set design: if you think you can do a better job of it, what are you doing on here? Go out and try and get the job for this stuff… assuming you haven’t already tried and failed.

They’re just bloody pipes, its not the rapture.

355. Scott - March 31, 2009

Is there no such thing as plumming in the 23rd century? I don’t understand why there is so much screaming about this. Judging by what I’ve seen so far, I have no doubt that some element of TOS engineering will be seen amid this new look.

356. McCoy - March 31, 2009

355.

The issue is not the existence of plumbing, but rather how that plumbing is presented on film. A 23rd century starship, one would think, would have a much more thought-out plumbing system then what we see here. And most likely, more digital control stations.

357. McCoy - March 31, 2009

312.

You Rock. Great point to look at what NASA is doing with their designs. NASA’s systems look more advanced and certainly self-contained than the room Kirk and Scotty appear to be in. And, NASA’s doing it today. By the time Kirk’s era rolls around in 200 years, it would look even more advanced.

JJ and Chamblis are obviously using the sets to communicate different levels of design in an effort to help make things appear more “real”. Which for JJ means ‘2008 technology”. They are hoping that by the end of the film viewers mix the 2008 industrial visuals with the “modern” visuals and come up with “real 23rd century” visuals. I’ve mentioned before, this will not work for me mostly because their version of the bridge does not look like a 23rd century solution and it was the wrong set to play with anyway. If they wanted to use the idea of mixed sets, perhaps they should have reversed the idea. The bridge should have been classic…and the plumbing room, a room we have never seen before, could have been super-high tech. No one could have argued. Plus, the idea that there’s a ultra-high tech system under the classic design would have been cool. Like the Dodge Challenger.

358. cagmar - March 31, 2009

OH GOD! Please tell me those are tap water pipes and not sewage pipes! Dear god, Orci and Kurtzman with the toilet humour again, please no. Please. Oh… my heart breaks.

359. cagmar - March 31, 2009

140 –
“Lock and load, saddle up” is a reference to the civil war in the United States. That is very Star Trek.

“Buckle up, though”… Seatbelts? Really, guys? come on.

360. cagmar - March 31, 2009

#185 – not funny, dude. :P

361. Jamie - March 31, 2009

I want to see Uhura’s tubes.

362. TrekMadeMeWonder - March 31, 2009

354. Steve
So Presumptous.

I have designed for the movies – and in particuar, one major Academy Award wining motion picture.

Some of the sets still are lacking in my eyes. I’ll have to send my resume to JJ. for the next one. If I had his number.

363. BK613 - March 31, 2009

231
Adding to the list

Exploding planets; especially ones that explode and shift the orbit of other planets…

Former proteges of Spock, who can’t tell the difference between a system prior to and after such an explosion, or, apparently can’t be bothered to do any kind of records research on the system in the first place.

364. krikzil - March 31, 2009

#354–that’s a ridiculous argument. You don’t have to be a set designer to form an opinion on whether something works or not. Everyone’s mileage varies and it doesn’t make anyone “wrong”.

365. Kirk, James T. - March 31, 2009

@ Rick Sternbach – as an artist yourself i think perhaps you should appreciate what it is their trying to do with the look of Star Trek. Your designs on Star Trek, they were sometimes brilliant and other times pretty dull and too practical – lets not forget, Star Trek is first and foremost, entertainment, but to be honest, wheels and pipes onboard an Earth built Ship made by Humans is hugely more plausible than some of the technology you included in some of your own designs – i do have to agree with the guy who put you down and say that towards the end of Star Trek’s life – the designs did seem all to similar, even with Enterprise there were things that looked as though they belonged in TNG.

back to the point in hand though, pipes and wheels are still being used today and have been used since their conception, they work better than anything else and There’s no reason to think they wouldn’t be used on a star-ship like the Enterprise – if it’s not broke, don’t fix it – and just for argument’s sake, Star Trek of the past (designed by you or someone else) has had some pretty questionable technology put onboard the Enterprise – lets not forget the joy stick that was used in Insurrection – I’m not sure why now people are starting to get their knickers in a twist and question it – especially someone who’s worked on Star Trek!!!

It’s sad to see that someone who’s worked on Star Trek take this kind of attitude but i guess we’re all entitled to our opinions.

366. McCoy - March 31, 2009

365

Not sure of the extent of Mr. Sternbach’s design responsibilities with previous Trek , but whatever he had his hands in sure looked a lot better then what Chambliss gave us. If the previous Trek group had their hands on the amount of money JJ’s group was given, we’d have either top-notch classic design or top-notch 23rd century design.

367. Kirk, James T. - March 31, 2009

366,

I’m just giving you my opinion, You could design the Enterprise any number of ways since we have no idea what the future will really look like – we could still be using pipes and valves (or wheels) or we could be using something completely new, we could be flying around in space ships named Enterprise, or we could get robots to do it for us, It’s Science Fiction and this is just another teams take on what the Enterprise should look like, Rick Sternbach had different ideas, some great, some not so great – i think suggesting that the Enterprise shouldn’t have this or that, pipes or hand-valves (Sheeesh!) is nonsense because why not since the future is there for us to design any way we want to.

368. Rick Sternbach - March 31, 2009

#365 et al – I appreciate what they’re trying to do with the look of the Trek universe, sure, I’m just not convinced that the execution is everything it could be, based solely on the images we’ve seen so far. I hope the total package averages out to be better than what I think about it right now, I really do. Now before I say anything else, I have to make sure folks understand, I wasn’t the production designer or art director on TNG/DS9/Voyager (I wasn’t on Enterprise); I was an illustrator who was lucky enough to have been allowed some fairly broad influence over hardware and tech matters for the franchise. For the record, I never put joysticks or shift levers on any starship. :) For the folks who *do* know what I did, sorry about the repetition. I joke with folks about any equipment or tech dialogue that sounds good, I’ll take credit for (shared with Okuda in many cases), and the stuff that sounds crazy wasn’t my fault. Sure, I probably came up with a few bits that may have fallen flat, but the intent was always to think deeper into a task than merely entertainment. I’ve never subscribed to a science fiction story that asked me to simply “sit down, shut up, and enjoy the ride.” The best SF is better than that, though of course there are fun romps in the field, there’s no denying that. I didn’t agree with everything that *we* did on the modern series by any means. No seat restraints, loose rental cargo barrels, igniting plasma, carrying warp plasma in a bottle, phasers at warp; that’s just crazy talk. But we tried to head off obvious problems (as we saw them), and since it wasn’t our sandbox, we knew when to back off. We also backed off for the sake of the drama, but I still believe that technical plausibility and drama can coexist, because I’ve seen it. We won more arguments than we lost, I’m happy to say. The issue of pipes and handwheels really is a non-issue and will blow over; I just don’t agree with their inclusion in connection with an advanced spacecraft like Enterprise.

369. Kirk, James T. - April 1, 2009

Thats fair enough, thank you for taking the time to reply to me :). I really do appreciate the work you have done on Star Trek, DS9 is one of my all time favorite shows, i think the design there was some of the best in Star Trek because you had a lot of really really cool aliens as well as Starfleet and they all required new or different designs, i know you all busted a gut working on Star Trek because it shows.

I think personally they are going for a level of realism onboard the Enterprise that really hasn’t been shown in previous series, The engine room i can imagine will look a lot like a futuristic version of a naval ships engine room and then you have the hi-tech stuff the higher up the ship you go until you reach the technology-heavy bridge. Maybe it was a problem for your shows that everything felt too hi-tech? I mean, sure, it has to be futuristic but it think some of the realism was lost amongst the technology, certainly i felt that the being the case with Voyager. Anyway, it’s another team’s style, i think it works in some ways better than Star Trek of old but as with everything in Star Trek and other sci-fi, it’s really up to the viewer to cast their own opinion.

Once again, thank you for sparing the time to chat to the fans =/\=

370. Kirk, James T. - April 1, 2009

lets also not forget HOW Humanity reached the final frontier… World War 3 would have pushed humanity back decades and yet somehow a scientist creates warp drive?? and we’re arguing about wheels and pipes aboard a sci-fi space-ship version of the real life aircraft carrier, Enterprise.

I mean come on guys, lets take a moment to understand the differences between Science Fact and Science Fiction.

371. Chris Basken - April 1, 2009

One of the only real issues I’ve seen with modern Trek’s look is that it all comes across as plastic. Even in ENT — with which I’m aware you were not involved — they tried to make things look more gritty but it still came off as plasticy.

Part of that, I’m sure, is related to the limited budget of a TV series, where props need to be reused and turned upside down so a phaser one week is a med scanner the next week, and so on. But TOS seemed to convey more of a sense of grit, especially in the guts of the ship.

Pipes make perfect sense to me, even in the 23rd century. You have to get Stuff from Here to There. Without TNG-like replicators, and without constantly beaming things all over the place, how do you do it? Ductwork and plumbing. Even in the 24th century, I don’t know if I’d buy transporter-enabled toilets. Seems like overkill for something that could more easily (and reliably) handled the old-fashioned way.

The handwheels are a different issue, though. They exist now because we don’t have cheap, ubiquitous servomotors that can put out the torque required to close off big old pipes like that, and the big wheel gives a human operator enough leverage to do the job. But surely that wouldn’t be a problem in the 23rd century. If you need to open a valve, you press a button and a piece of machinery does the hard work.

I suppose we could imagine those handwheels aren’t handwheels at all but just some kind of circular user interface? ;-)

372. Rusty0918 - April 2, 2009

I don’t disagree that there shouldn’t be pipes, but not the kind we’re seeing with the bolts and stuff.

373. Shadowcat - April 6, 2009

My first job out of college was working in the sewage treatment in my hometown. During my three years the as a Lab Tech/Wastewater Operator, I became quite versed in the ins and outs of poop. We even had a pet name for the plant’s communitor (the device that grinds up the solid stuff that entered the plant). We called it the “muffin monster”.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the room Scotty accidently beamed into was some sort of water reclamation or recycling area. It was probably neve seen in TOS because of budget constraints. I bet the pipes are made of transparent Aluminum. Like some of the earlier posters have suggested to make troubleshooting blockages or other problems before they become serious.

Scotty is a character with a cheeky sense of
humor and he was just making light of a potentially dangerous situation. He is a brilliant engineer who is a bit goofy at times.

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