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	<title>Comments on: See Star Trek &#8216;Kids Trailer&#8217; Aired During Kid&#8217;s Choice Awards (w/ Analysis) + Pine Appearance</title>
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		<title>By: TREK MOVIES:&#8221;STAR TREK&#8221; Y SU NUEVA BANDA SONORA. &#171; AMIGOS TREK CHILE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TREK MOVIES:&#8221;STAR TREK&#8221; Y SU NUEVA BANDA SONORA. &#171; AMIGOS TREK CHILE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 04:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kid-friendly Trailer (shown on Nickelodeon, no official #) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shadowcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadowcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first job out of college was working in the sewage treatment in my hometown. During my three years the as a Lab Tech/Wastewater Operator, I became quite versed in the ins and outs of poop. We even had a pet name for the plant&#039;s communitor (the device that grinds up the solid stuff that entered the plant). We called it the &quot;muffin monster&quot;. 

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the room Scotty accidently beamed into was some sort of water reclamation or recycling area. It was probably neve seen in TOS because of budget constraints. I bet the pipes are made of transparent Aluminum. Like some of the earlier posters have suggested to make troubleshooting blockages or other problems before they become serious. 

Scotty is a character with a cheeky sense of 
humor and he was just making light of a potentially dangerous situation. He is a brilliant engineer who is a bit goofy at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first job out of college was working in the sewage treatment in my hometown. During my three years the as a Lab Tech/Wastewater Operator, I became quite versed in the ins and outs of poop. We even had a pet name for the plant&#8217;s communitor (the device that grinds up the solid stuff that entered the plant). We called it the &#8220;muffin monster&#8221;. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the room Scotty accidently beamed into was some sort of water reclamation or recycling area. It was probably neve seen in TOS because of budget constraints. I bet the pipes are made of transparent Aluminum. Like some of the earlier posters have suggested to make troubleshooting blockages or other problems before they become serious. </p>
<p>Scotty is a character with a cheeky sense of<br />
humor and he was just making light of a potentially dangerous situation. He is a brilliant engineer who is a bit goofy at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty0918</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty0918</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree that there shouldn&#039;t be pipes, but not the kind we&#039;re seeing with the bolts and stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree that there shouldn&#8217;t be pipes, but not the kind we&#8217;re seeing with the bolts and stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Basken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Basken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the only real issues I&#039;ve seen with modern Trek&#039;s look is that it all comes across as plastic.  Even in ENT -- with which I&#039;m aware you were not involved -- they tried to make things look more gritty but it still came off as plasticy.

Part of that, I&#039;m sure, is related to the limited budget of a TV series, where props need to be reused and turned upside down so a phaser one week is a med scanner the next week, and so on.  But TOS seemed to convey more of a sense of grit, especially in the guts of the ship.

Pipes make perfect sense to me, even in the 23rd century.  You have to get Stuff from Here to There.  Without TNG-like replicators, and without constantly beaming things all over the place, how do you do it?  Ductwork and plumbing.  Even in the 24th century, I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d buy transporter-enabled toilets.  Seems like overkill for something that could more easily (and reliably) handled the old-fashioned way.

The handwheels are a different issue, though.  They exist now because we don&#039;t have cheap, ubiquitous servomotors that can put out the torque required to close off big old pipes like that, and the big wheel gives a human operator enough leverage to do the job.  But surely that wouldn&#039;t be a problem in the 23rd century.  If you need to open a valve, you press a button and a piece of machinery does the hard work.

I suppose we could imagine those handwheels aren&#039;t handwheels at all but just some kind of circular user interface?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the only real issues I&#8217;ve seen with modern Trek&#8217;s look is that it all comes across as plastic.  Even in ENT &#8212; with which I&#8217;m aware you were not involved &#8212; they tried to make things look more gritty but it still came off as plasticy.</p>
<p>Part of that, I&#8217;m sure, is related to the limited budget of a TV series, where props need to be reused and turned upside down so a phaser one week is a med scanner the next week, and so on.  But TOS seemed to convey more of a sense of grit, especially in the guts of the ship.</p>
<p>Pipes make perfect sense to me, even in the 23rd century.  You have to get Stuff from Here to There.  Without TNG-like replicators, and without constantly beaming things all over the place, how do you do it?  Ductwork and plumbing.  Even in the 24th century, I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d buy transporter-enabled toilets.  Seems like overkill for something that could more easily (and reliably) handled the old-fashioned way.</p>
<p>The handwheels are a different issue, though.  They exist now because we don&#8217;t have cheap, ubiquitous servomotors that can put out the torque required to close off big old pipes like that, and the big wheel gives a human operator enough leverage to do the job.  But surely that wouldn&#8217;t be a problem in the 23rd century.  If you need to open a valve, you press a button and a piece of machinery does the hard work.</p>
<p>I suppose we could imagine those handwheels aren&#8217;t handwheels at all but just some kind of circular user interface?  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk, James T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk, James T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets also not forget HOW Humanity reached the final frontier... World War 3 would have pushed humanity back decades and yet somehow a scientist creates warp drive?? and we&#039;re arguing about wheels and pipes aboard a sci-fi space-ship version of the real life aircraft carrier, Enterprise. 

I mean come on guys, lets take a moment to understand the differences between Science Fact and Science Fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets also not forget HOW Humanity reached the final frontier&#8230; World War 3 would have pushed humanity back decades and yet somehow a scientist creates warp drive?? and we&#8217;re arguing about wheels and pipes aboard a sci-fi space-ship version of the real life aircraft carrier, Enterprise. </p>
<p>I mean come on guys, lets take a moment to understand the differences between Science Fact and Science Fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk, James T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk, James T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats fair enough, thank you for taking the time to reply to me :). I really do appreciate the work you have done on Star Trek, DS9 is one of my all time favorite shows, i think the design there was some of the best in Star Trek because you had a lot of really really cool aliens as well as Starfleet and they all required new or different designs, i know you all busted a gut working on Star Trek because it shows. 

I think personally they are going for a level of realism onboard the Enterprise that really hasn&#039;t been shown in previous series, The engine room i can imagine will look a lot like a futuristic version of a naval ships engine room and then you have the hi-tech stuff the higher up the ship you go until you reach the technology-heavy bridge. Maybe it was a problem for your shows that everything felt too hi-tech? I mean, sure, it has to be futuristic but it think some of the realism was lost amongst the technology, certainly i felt that the being the case with Voyager. Anyway, it&#039;s another team&#039;s style, i think it works in some ways better than Star Trek of old but as with everything in Star Trek and other sci-fi, it&#039;s really up to the viewer to cast their own opinion.

Once again, thank you for sparing the time to chat to the fans =/\=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats fair enough, thank you for taking the time to reply to me :). I really do appreciate the work you have done on Star Trek, DS9 is one of my all time favorite shows, i think the design there was some of the best in Star Trek because you had a lot of really really cool aliens as well as Starfleet and they all required new or different designs, i know you all busted a gut working on Star Trek because it shows. </p>
<p>I think personally they are going for a level of realism onboard the Enterprise that really hasn&#8217;t been shown in previous series, The engine room i can imagine will look a lot like a futuristic version of a naval ships engine room and then you have the hi-tech stuff the higher up the ship you go until you reach the technology-heavy bridge. Maybe it was a problem for your shows that everything felt too hi-tech? I mean, sure, it has to be futuristic but it think some of the realism was lost amongst the technology, certainly i felt that the being the case with Voyager. Anyway, it&#8217;s another team&#8217;s style, i think it works in some ways better than Star Trek of old but as with everything in Star Trek and other sci-fi, it&#8217;s really up to the viewer to cast their own opinion.</p>
<p>Once again, thank you for sparing the time to chat to the fans =/\=</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Sternbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Sternbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#365 et al - I appreciate what they&#039;re trying to do with the look of the Trek universe, sure, I&#039;m just not convinced that the execution is everything it could be, based solely on the images we&#039;ve seen so far. I hope the total package averages out to be better than what I think about it right now, I really do. Now before I say anything else, I have to make sure folks understand, I wasn&#039;t the production designer or art director on TNG/DS9/Voyager (I wasn&#039;t on Enterprise); I was an illustrator who was lucky enough to have been allowed some fairly broad influence over hardware and tech matters for the franchise. For the record, I never put joysticks or shift levers on any starship. :) For the folks who *do* know what I did, sorry about the repetition. I joke with folks about any equipment or tech dialogue that sounds good, I&#039;ll take credit for (shared with Okuda in many cases), and the stuff that sounds crazy wasn&#039;t my fault. Sure, I probably came up with a few bits that may have fallen flat, but the intent was always to think deeper into a task than merely entertainment. I&#039;ve never subscribed to a science fiction story that asked me to simply &quot;sit down, shut up, and enjoy the ride.&quot; The best SF is better than that, though of course there are fun romps in the field, there&#039;s no denying that. I didn&#039;t agree with everything that *we* did on the modern series by any means. No seat restraints, loose rental cargo barrels, igniting plasma, carrying warp plasma in a bottle, phasers at warp; that&#039;s just crazy talk. But we tried to head off obvious problems (as we saw them), and since it wasn&#039;t our sandbox, we knew when to back off. We also backed off for the sake of the drama, but I still believe that technical plausibility and drama can coexist, because I&#039;ve seen it. We won more arguments than we lost, I&#039;m happy to say. The issue of pipes and handwheels really is a non-issue and will blow over; I just don&#039;t agree with their inclusion in connection with an advanced spacecraft like Enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#365 et al &#8211; I appreciate what they&#8217;re trying to do with the look of the Trek universe, sure, I&#8217;m just not convinced that the execution is everything it could be, based solely on the images we&#8217;ve seen so far. I hope the total package averages out to be better than what I think about it right now, I really do. Now before I say anything else, I have to make sure folks understand, I wasn&#8217;t the production designer or art director on TNG/DS9/Voyager (I wasn&#8217;t on Enterprise); I was an illustrator who was lucky enough to have been allowed some fairly broad influence over hardware and tech matters for the franchise. For the record, I never put joysticks or shift levers on any starship. :) For the folks who *do* know what I did, sorry about the repetition. I joke with folks about any equipment or tech dialogue that sounds good, I&#8217;ll take credit for (shared with Okuda in many cases), and the stuff that sounds crazy wasn&#8217;t my fault. Sure, I probably came up with a few bits that may have fallen flat, but the intent was always to think deeper into a task than merely entertainment. I&#8217;ve never subscribed to a science fiction story that asked me to simply &#8220;sit down, shut up, and enjoy the ride.&#8221; The best SF is better than that, though of course there are fun romps in the field, there&#8217;s no denying that. I didn&#8217;t agree with everything that *we* did on the modern series by any means. No seat restraints, loose rental cargo barrels, igniting plasma, carrying warp plasma in a bottle, phasers at warp; that&#8217;s just crazy talk. But we tried to head off obvious problems (as we saw them), and since it wasn&#8217;t our sandbox, we knew when to back off. We also backed off for the sake of the drama, but I still believe that technical plausibility and drama can coexist, because I&#8217;ve seen it. We won more arguments than we lost, I&#8217;m happy to say. The issue of pipes and handwheels really is a non-issue and will blow over; I just don&#8217;t agree with their inclusion in connection with an advanced spacecraft like Enterprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk, James T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk, James T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>366, 

I&#039;m just giving you my opinion, You could design the Enterprise any number of ways since we have no idea what the future will really look like - we could still be using pipes and valves (or wheels) or we could be using something completely new, we could be flying around in space ships named Enterprise, or we could get robots to do it for us, It&#039;s Science Fiction and this is just another teams take on what the Enterprise should look like, Rick Sternbach had different ideas, some great, some not so great - i think suggesting that the Enterprise shouldn&#039;t have this or that, pipes or hand-valves (Sheeesh!) is nonsense because why not since the future is there for us to design any way we want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>366, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just giving you my opinion, You could design the Enterprise any number of ways since we have no idea what the future will really look like &#8211; we could still be using pipes and valves (or wheels) or we could be using something completely new, we could be flying around in space ships named Enterprise, or we could get robots to do it for us, It&#8217;s Science Fiction and this is just another teams take on what the Enterprise should look like, Rick Sternbach had different ideas, some great, some not so great &#8211; i think suggesting that the Enterprise shouldn&#8217;t have this or that, pipes or hand-valves (Sheeesh!) is nonsense because why not since the future is there for us to design any way we want to.</p>
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		<title>By: McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>365

Not sure of the extent of Mr. Sternbach&#039;s design responsibilities with previous Trek , but whatever he had his hands in sure looked a lot better then what Chambliss gave us. If the previous Trek group had their hands on the amount of money JJ&#039;s group was given, we&#039;d have either top-notch classic design or top-notch 23rd century design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>365</p>
<p>Not sure of the extent of Mr. Sternbach&#8217;s design responsibilities with previous Trek , but whatever he had his hands in sure looked a lot better then what Chambliss gave us. If the previous Trek group had their hands on the amount of money JJ&#8217;s group was given, we&#8217;d have either top-notch classic design or top-notch 23rd century design.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk, James T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk, James T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rick Sternbach - as an artist yourself i think perhaps you should appreciate what it is their trying to do with the look of Star Trek. Your designs on Star Trek, they were sometimes brilliant  and other times pretty dull and too practical - lets not forget, Star Trek is first and foremost, entertainment, but to be honest, wheels and pipes onboard an Earth built Ship made by Humans is hugely more plausible than some of the technology you included in some of your own designs - i do have to agree with the guy who put you down and say that towards the end of Star Trek&#039;s life - the designs did seem all to similar, even with Enterprise there were things that looked as though they belonged in TNG. 

back to the point in hand though, pipes and wheels are still being used today and have been used since their conception, they work better than anything else and There&#039;s no reason to think they wouldn&#039;t be used on a star-ship like the Enterprise - if it&#039;s not broke, don&#039;t fix it - and just for argument&#039;s sake, Star Trek of the past (designed by you or someone else) has had some pretty questionable technology put onboard the Enterprise - lets not forget the joy stick that was used in Insurrection - I&#039;m not sure why now people are starting to get their knickers in a twist and question it - especially someone who&#039;s worked on Star Trek!!! 

It&#039;s sad to see that someone who&#039;s worked on Star Trek take this kind of attitude but i guess we&#039;re all entitled to our opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rick Sternbach &#8211; as an artist yourself i think perhaps you should appreciate what it is their trying to do with the look of Star Trek. Your designs on Star Trek, they were sometimes brilliant  and other times pretty dull and too practical &#8211; lets not forget, Star Trek is first and foremost, entertainment, but to be honest, wheels and pipes onboard an Earth built Ship made by Humans is hugely more plausible than some of the technology you included in some of your own designs &#8211; i do have to agree with the guy who put you down and say that towards the end of Star Trek&#8217;s life &#8211; the designs did seem all to similar, even with Enterprise there were things that looked as though they belonged in TNG. </p>
<p>back to the point in hand though, pipes and wheels are still being used today and have been used since their conception, they work better than anything else and There&#8217;s no reason to think they wouldn&#8217;t be used on a star-ship like the Enterprise &#8211; if it&#8217;s not broke, don&#8217;t fix it &#8211; and just for argument&#8217;s sake, Star Trek of the past (designed by you or someone else) has had some pretty questionable technology put onboard the Enterprise &#8211; lets not forget the joy stick that was used in Insurrection &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure why now people are starting to get their knickers in a twist and question it &#8211; especially someone who&#8217;s worked on Star Trek!!! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad to see that someone who&#8217;s worked on Star Trek take this kind of attitude but i guess we&#8217;re all entitled to our opinions.</p>
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