4 New Star Trek Clips + Behind Scenes Clip [UPDATED] April 25, 2009
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During their press event today Paramount put out their video press kit, which includes four new clips from the Star Trek movie. They are already online and they are viewable below. All are extended versions of scenes from trailers, but in one case it is a bit spoilery so tread carefully. [UPDATED w/ higher res videos]
Kirk meets Uhura
Kirk flirts with Uhura in a bar in Iowa.
Enlist in Starfleet
Kirk and Pike have a chat after a bar fight (same Iowa bar).
Space Jump
Kirk, Sulu and Olsen prepare for their orbital dive over Vulcan
What gives you the right [extra spoilers]
Capt. Robau of the USS Kelvin meets Nero and Ayel aboard the Narada.
B – roll — Behind the scenes.
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The clips are great!
I just bought my tickets for the 7:00 showing on the 7th! YAY!
damn me likey
Anybody else not getting the behind the scenes video?
I can watch all the 6 clips (they have 6 on their site 3 of which have been out for some time) but I can’t watch the last video for some reason.
Nero is totally bad a@#! This movie is going to rule the Summer of ‘09!
Who’se On?
second?
Wow, the update came that fast! LOL
The behind the scenes isn’t working. At least not for me.
I loved this movie, the crew of the star ship enterprise are legends and this film knows it!!
Wow… really enjoyed the second clip… I am really looking forward to seeing Greenwood as Pike. The BTS clip wouldn’t load, however.
Gawd, they need a steady cam BAD in that scene with Kirk and Pike, I hope the whole movie isn’t that shaky.
I guess I’m not the only one having problems with the behind the scenes vid.
Thanks!
I believe Robau is on the Narada, not on the Kelvin….? ;)
can’t watch the last one either…
I like the clips. Especially the one with Nero. Does Pike say the Federation is an armada ?
Awesome. Absolutely awesome.
At least now we know the context of the website music.
omg
Great clips. All seven of them. :)
FAN-FREAKIN-TASTIC!
The space jump scene was great. The music actually sounded unique and interesting, not “hollywood soundtracky”
Thanks for posting these Anthony.
Did anyone else notice how much Pine looked like Shatner when he leaned forward at 00:16?
Can’t wait.
:)
Robau’s got some balls talkin’ to Ayel like that. Coolest new Captain in a long time.
‘Behind the scenes’ doesn’t work.
The alien in ‘Kirk meets Uhura’ reminds me of MIIB.
The website music begins at the end of ‘Enlist in Starfleet’.
‘What gives you the right’ is excellent!!! So it’s 2233, which is the correct year according to the ‘Star Trek Chronology’ book.
AS I said before:
Holy Mother of Cracker Crispies!!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!!
note: behind the scenes clip isn’t working for me either.
Is it just me or does anyone else see shades of Jeffrey Hunter in Greenwood’s Captain Pike? Partcularly when describing starfleet to Jim Kirk in the second clip?
Those clips are great! Where did the behind the scenes vid go? It didn’t play so I refreshed the page and it was gone.
It would be interesting to see how the “look and feel” of this movie would translate to the TNG era. Don’t get me wrong, I like Next Gen, but it was always a bit sterile,,,
SLUSHO makes an appearance.. the same company that they guy from cloverfield was going to work for before the creature attacked.
does this tie-in make cloverfield a star trek movie?
SUCK sucks SUcks!!!!!!!!! jk :)
What does Robau says at 0:45 in the clip? I can’t understand that sentence.
I’m wiping the tears from my eyes…I’m so happy.
#11 – Me too, I hate films that abuse of the shaky cam to give some “action” to it.
#12 – No, you’re are not. But try going to iesb.net.
MUST HAVE MORE!!!
Definitely agree with #23
He even looks like a slightly older version of Hunter. The hair does it.
The Behind the scenes clip is now working.
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=227&task=videodirectlink&id=1932
Mel:
Capt. Robau says “I’m not familiar with Ambassador Spock.”
And to those expressing concerns about the shaky camera: yeah, it’s pretty much all that way. I don’t think I saw a steady shot throughout the entire movie.
Oh! And lens flares!
@ 34
Thanks!
WOW!
I hope Robau at least makes a fight of it. I wouldn’t was Robau to be like any ensign Ricky…
Behind the scenes works fine for me.
Great scenes! I really like the one of the shuttle leaving the Enterprise. It just stinks that the quality of these clips suck!
What the Fudge!
Paramount’s not so secretive anymore! :)
The lens flares was something I was worried about but the more I see it the more I am use to it. I really wonder if Abrams and his DP started something that other movies will start to do. But going back to the clips I really love the clip with Nero, Ayel, Robau and the pre jump sequence.
#37 I was hoping the same thing that Robau would at least live long enough to fight back. I am starting to wonder if it is Robau is the one who damages Nero’s right ear?
#15
I’m not sure, but I think he said the Federation is a peace keeping armada. I may be wrong though
#37
If I were in Robau’s shoes, and some scary-looking bald man with tattoos on his face started charging at me with a nasty weapon while screaming, I wouldn’t have time to react either. :D
On another post I made a joke that Nero kills Robau because he finds out it’s only Tuesday. As it turns out, my joke was a lot closer to the truth than I thought. Haha!
Ambassador Spock, who?
I’m excited!
Love Kirk’s reaction to Sulu’s combat training being fencing. LOL!
‘Behind the scenes’ now works for me as well.
My favorite is the clip on the Narada!!!
Yeah, the Narada clip is wicked. You definitely get a cool vibe from that clip. A tone that shows us in what direction the plot will take us. Just the little things too. The little details put in make that scene pretty awesome.
Skipped the last clip because of the spoiler warning, but the others are awesome. Can’t wait.
these clips were awesome esp the nero scene and pre-jump scene and yes pike did say federation is a peace keeping armada great work anthony this will go as the most covered star trek movie ever and prob the best yet
Man, they were all fantastic. My favorite is the spoilery one from the Narada. Its just purely awesome and a good introduction to the gist of the plot. I like Robau’s character. Too bad we won’t be seeing much more of him! The skydive jump scene was awesome too. The back end view of the Enterprise was just amazing and showed some nice detail. I liked the humor too. What I’ve always liked about J.J. Abrams’ work is the way the characters interact. Its just so real and believable that no matter what’s going on, you believe your eyes. An all around perfect set of clips that make me as excited as ever to see this thing.
clip #2 – thought I was watching Lost for a minute when the music started.
Sorry TrekMovie. I just can’t bring myself to read your articles till the premiere. Spoiler free is the way to be!
That may be why comments are a but low lately. But you just wait until I see this movie. I will be posting like a Mailman!
These clips are great! Can’t wait to see the full feature. Got my tickets for the very first showing at 7 P.M. on Thursday, May 7th! I can’t wait!
God bless!
Cardassian Sunrise? The Federation had already made contact with the Cardassians? Alternate timeline, I guess.
Ok….Im starting to think my fears have been misguided!
Holy poop kabob this is gonna kick ass! Amazing when the shuttle leaves the bay! Wow Wow and Wow!
What’s up with Nero’s ear(s). I thought they were supposed to be mangled. In the video they look normal??
Man I’m glad I read Countdown! Im lending it to everyone interested in reading it!
I remember reading somewhere where Kirk goes to the Narada to rescue Pike. So, I wonder if Pike gets captured on his way back to the Enterprise after the “space” jump sequence.
Listen to the music track in clip 3 as the shuttle leaves the shuttle bay. It’s a direct life from TOS TV. The flute harmonies are dead-on from the series… I just can’t think of the episode… maybe Lights of Zatar…
Beep Beep
58, Anyone with an iPhone can download all the issues of Countdown for less than $4 bucks. Well worth it if you ask me.
I’m really looking forward to seeing Star Trek! I just wish it wasn’t two more weeks away!!! So far, everything I’m seeing looks freaking awesome!!!
#55 I was wondering the same thing, I didn’t think they encountered the Cardassians until the early 24th century, but then again I don’t think it was ever stated when first contact was.
The music from the Robau scene definetly has a TWOK feel to it.
This is gonna rock.
Also, I find it interesting that Kirk and crew know these are Romulans, Spock probably tells them what they look like???
So stardates are in the movie? I’d heard they weren’t…
Finally, some clips where the scenes last more than a second or two… scenes with uninterrupted dialogue… I’m definitely feeling better about this movie’s potential! However…
The lens flares in the bar scene are idiotic. They are so overused that they are a complete distraction. JJ needs his head examined if he thinks that is artistic or adds some sense of realism. Just the opposite… if you were really there you would not see any lens flares – the human eye doesn’t. Putting them in like that just reminds you that you are watching a movie and disrupts any sense of realism. Stupid, stupid, stupid…
67. I grok Spock
In your opinion. I feel quite differently.
Maybe they used lense flares to hide the suck-tastic special effects? (lol)
I think the Stardates are in the movie but are sort of different. Because TOS always had messed up stardates (they weren’t in chronological order), they have a different system in this movie that is sort of a bridge between the ENT “Captain’s Star Log” (I.E. the normal date) and the Stardates we know of in TNG. That’s what I’ve heard anyway.
For some reason, Starfleet being called a “Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Armada” sounds so much better spoken aloud then it does on paper.
All these are awesome, BTW.
Also, I just noticed that the pamplet/menu Uhura uses is animated. Nice touch.
Budweiser. There’s your product placement. I was hoping people would have better taste in beers in the 23rd Century.
Just noticed the post updated with better quality of the clips, However for some reason the Behind the scenes clip is the same as the Nero clip, So he posted it twice.
67 Im not a big lens flare guy but I think they make sense there. What really annoys me is that the lights on the bridge, the annoying spot lights that serve no purpose other than to create lens flares are really silly to me. Nevertheless….this is gonna be awesome!
Chills!!
Nero is amazing. His glare and aura remind me of my brother when he’s angry. And the way he blows up… scary.
Love it!
ACK!! You changed the clips to Collider? Now they’re choppy as heck for me! :(
I am pumped! These clips look amazing!
But the more I read about this movie, the more I’m a little confused as to how Nero and co end up at Rurapenthe? (unknown Klingon holding facility). I distinctly remember in the second theatrical trailer (Quantum of Solace) breakdown, that there’s a clip of Nero busting up two Klingon-looking guards. How’s that fit in?!!
FAN-tastic clips, this movie is looking amazing.
However the Cardassian Sunrise line was a nice touch although I thought it was hinted first contact took place somewhere in the mid 24th Century (with devastating results) leading to the first Fed-Cardassian War of 2347, although they may have got the drink ‘imported’ lol hmmm Quark’s great grandfather maybe ;-)
God I hate the unwarranted lens flares… but other than that, this is looking better than I had thought it would. Shuttle exiting the shuttle bay was particularly sweet looking.
Brad, the link to the IESB clips is in the talkback for the Entertainment Tonight clip
BTW, “Enlist in Starfleet” now links to the vulcan jump, FWICT
What lens flares? I don’t see any lens flares.
Kirk, Sulu and Olsen…Well I trust Olsen survives the jump and becomes a cherished member of the crew.
81 00
I’ve noticed that, too.
83. wklryn
Yeah, and I suppose Kirk and Sulu die, right?
15. Unbel1ever – April 25, 2009
I like the clips. Especially the one with Nero. Does Pike say the Federation is an armada ?
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Yes, he describes the Federation as an armada. Um…shouldn’t that be Starfleet that’s the armada? (Beginning to worry about that much-praised Trek expertise we’ve heard about; come on, Bob Orci! Couldn’t you guys give Pike CORRECT dialogue?)
I also wish he’d said it’s an EXPLORATORY armada, too–but I guess that part of Trek might be gone?
Hate the drink orders–the Budweiser Classic bit is forced, and the Cardassian reference seems out of place (had they already encountered them?). It’s like the writers and Abrams said, “We’ll use Bud to connect with normal folks and the Cardassian drink to connect with the Trekkies.”
The Slusho reference? BARF! Gag! An inside joke that is soooo out of place…
More and more, I’m expecting this film to be nothing but 2 hours of motion sickness and noise. I’m hoping it will be at least as entertaining as Independence Day or Starship Troopers, but I have little hope of it being a classic. These scenes look like popcorn fun, but not great filmmaking.
And more of the damn shaky camera and lens flares…sigh…
What makes a difference if they make a slusho reference? It’s just an easter egg and nothing to get too upset about. 97% of people who see this movie won’t even blink an eye about the Slusho line. I caught it and thought it was a cool reference.
Why do I have a feeling Nero is going to end up being my favourite Sci-Fi villain EVER!
86. Paul B.
Does all that stuff really matter?
No.
And bad filmmaking?
You obviously have bad taste.
Criticism out of bias shows bad character.
FOR EVERYONE:
Whether you like the shaky cam or not, it does serve a purpose. The shaky cam can be described as a directoral choice that, during very big action sequences and such, makes the viewer fell as though he/she is in the movie. This is turn makes the experience feel more real. For example, if you were placed in these situations, your perception of reality would be, well, shaky. This also serves well in close-up character moments, because again, it makes the viewer feel as though he or she is in the movie, experiencing what the characters are experiencing with them. It also, IMHO, makes the film more exciting. As for the lens flares, well, they are definitely something unique to J.J. Abram’s works and are somewhat experimental. I think it gives a sense of imperfection which in turn gives a sense of realism to the film as well as some flare (hehe). But I guess its not suited for everyone.
86: Do you know what product placement is? Budweiser payed to be in the movie. If you are unhappy with the dialogue, then go write your own screenplay and shoot your own movie. I recommend downloading or otherwise acquiring a copy of Final Draft 7. Pikes exact line is: Do you understand what the Federation is, don’t you? It’s important…The peace keeping and humanitarian armada…
What shaky cam? I don’t see any shaky cam.
#55 Yeah That too is My Beef? WTF?? even in this Alt reality the Cardi’s shouldn’t be anywhere Near The Events in the 2300’s, Come on Enough already with the Trying to cram as much of the 24th century era into this movie, Nero Goes BACK <—- in time Damn it.
What else is on the Menu Slugo Cola??
No nice bottles of Kanar in there??
how about a Jumja stick??
Paul B.-Do you have a scour on your face like Nero? lol Just wondering!
Who loved the look on Kirks face when Sulu said fencingÉ
72. Gigastazio
86. Paul B
The Budweiser thing is probably part of the deal that allowed them to shoot inside the Budweiser brewery. As someone who lives around the corner from the brewery, I can tell you that it goes 24 hours a day. Therefore, Bud probably had to make it worth their while to let someone shoot part of a movie in there, which no doubt meant shutting down at least of the production momentarily.
89. The Governator – April 25, 2009
86. Paul B.
Does all that stuff really matter?
No.
And bad filmmaking?
You obviously have bad taste.
Criticism out of bias shows bad character.
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Thanks for the insults, Governator. And for the lecture on the effective use of shaky cameras. It’s obviously because we’re all too stupid to understand what shaky camera work is used for; we just don’t understand that it’s intended to make things feel more realistic.
Or…in reality, it’s because we don’t like watching the screen image bounce and shake all the time. Your lecture is unnecessary and insulting; I understand the reasons for shaky camera work, and in some cases (such as Battlestar Galactica) it is used to (mostly) good effect. But in these scenes, combined with the lens flares, it is DISTRACTING. It is annoying. The shakiness of the camera and the lens flares draw attention to the camera’s presence in the scene. (But since you are lecturing us on film technique, I’m sure you are already well aware of how such camera awareness tends to break the “fourth wall” the same way having a character talk to the camera does. If not, look it up.)
Now, I’m stating opinions–MY opinions. You can state yours. But do NOT insult me again (telling me I have “bad character” because of my “bad taste.”). Feel free to disagree, but do not insult, okay? (For example, notice how I disagree with you without insulting YOUR character?)
96. PaulB
Hmmm…. Fascinating. Human emotion is puzzling indeed. I shall need to study this further.
wow liked the last video very interesting indeed
The “Exploratory” part will no doubt still be there, but remember, this is Pike giving Kirk a lecture in a bar. It’ll be informal and skip quite a bit of stuff. I mean, you try giving a lecture in a loud bar after a large fight.
90. Captain Spock – April 25, 2009
86: Do you know what product placement is? Budweiser payed to be in the movie. If you are unhappy with the dialogue, then go write your own screenplay and shoot your own movie. I recommend downloading or otherwise acquiring a copy of Final Draft 7. Pikes exact line is: Do you understand what the Federation is, don’t you? It’s important…The peace keeping and humanitarian armada…
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Yes, I understand product placement–and having it so obvious in a STAR TREK film is annoying. As for your “go write your own screenplay” comment: as an audience member, I can criticize dialogue without being a screenwriter. However, I have studied and practiced screenwriting–and NO, I haven’t sold anything–so I am well aware of how hard it is to write film dialogue, especially Trek dialogue.
But that doesn’t change the fact that Pike describes the Federation as an armada. Your “exact” quote is wrong (at least the last line). After he says, “It’s important,” he clearly says, “It’s a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada.” In Pike’s own words, the Federation is an armada. Just doesn’t make sense…especially from writers so well versed in Trek.
cant wait
93. JimJ – April 25, 2009
Paul B.-Do you have a scour on your face like Nero? lol Just wondering!
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Um…if you mean a scowl, yes, I do–at least when watching bad dialogue. (If that’s not what you mean…hehe…then I’m lost, because that’s not a use of “scour” that I’m familiar with. :)
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94. Robert H. – April 25, 2009
Who loved the look on Kirks face when Sulu said fencingÉ
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Me! I love THAT scene. Not only is Kirk’s expression perfect in response to Sulu, but he also has a great reaction to the “kick some Romulan ass” comment. He looks more mature than the bar-Kirk; it’s like the “kick some ass” line didn’t sit right with him, you know? Like Kirk’s priority wasn’t kicking ass but saving Vulcan…
Very nice scene, and I buy Pine as Kirk very easily there.
I really like this site, but I wish it were more iPhone friendly.
Official Notice:
The Governator is permanently signing off in favor of a new alias. Alas, I shall avenge you!
How quickly we’ve forgotten that Dr. Taylor ordered a Michelob in Star Trek IV…
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language:
ar·ma·da (är-mä’də, -mā’-)
n.
1. A fleet of warships.
2. A large group of moving things: an armada of ants crossing the lawn.
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Both could work for Starfleet, since it is also the Federation’s military branch.
I love the alien in the bar scene! So expressive. If the whole film is full of these kinds of details I’ll be very happy…
looks sick, cant wait for the 7th now.
23rd century and we haven’t evolved beyond a better beer than BUDWEISER!? Humanity is doomed.
vERy gOOd cLIPs :-/
. It all looks good. I am bothered, however, at the stupidity of saying “The Federation is an Armada.” The Federation is the political/governmental body; Starfleet is the Armada. It’s like saying “Do you know what the United States, is, it’s an Armada.” This just shows both a lack of awareness of the material and also real carelessness.
GOOSEBUMPS…
[MINOR SPOILERAGE]
Without giving anything away, Nero’s ear has been mangled sometime in the twenty-five years between the attack on the Kelvin and Kirk’s graduation from Starfleet Academy. It’s not explained.
No Rura Penthe in the movie.
[MINOR SPOILERAGE ENDS]
105. ABQ – April 25, 2009
How quickly we’ve forgotten that Dr. Taylor ordered a Michelob in Star Trek IV…
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Yes, but that scene (and most of the movie) took place in the 20th Century. It’s the forced product placement in a 23rd century scene that bugs me here. (Well, and the choice of a crummy beer…hehe.)
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106 — Yes, “armada” works for describing Starfleet, but not for describing the Federation. It’s like describing America as an armada when you mean the U.S. Navy; it’s just flat-out wrong.
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107 — I agree, the alien’s expressions were great! I know Abrams didn’t want to use a lot of aliens, but it looks like they went for quality if not quantity. (And most of the dialogue in that scene is good, especially Uhura’s “Her shot is on her” retort to Kirk’s attempt to buy her shot. Much better than the “sex with farm animals” stuff that follows…)
113. Jason P Hunt – SciFi4Me
No? Are you sure? Can we have confirmation on this from someone else?
I can alraedy tell by the clips, that the special effects are of good quality. Everything looks really good, too. Wow, this movie looks like it’ll be a good one, and I can’t wait to see it. I’m counting down the days.
Suddenly two weeks seem like an eternity!.
These clips are great. the acting and the feel of the film is far better than any other trek film. The little details like the menu being animated and the hologramms on the narada… The enterprise shot with the shuttle… wow! I cant wait, and im so happy, im begginning to feel the buzz around this film by everybody, yes non trekkers too ! I trust J.J 100%. I couldnt stand berman and braga anymore, they almost killed trek. have fun on may 7th or 8th.
Cant wait to see a the enterprise battle on the big screen.
Congrats in advance, JJ.
I can finally see that the total package will be more than the sum of its parts.
Good call. It’s going to work.
Wow.
OK, I’m back. And I still have yet to find a way to go into a two week hibernation.
wooooo! so close I can taste it!
114:
A couple of Buds and 2 shots of Jack never hurt anyone.
Look at T2, and you think Pepsi machines ruled the world before Skynet.
Hope we don’t have that.
Anyone else notice how the shuttle bay is way bigger than it should be? There are stacks of shuttles against the sides, so unless they’ve increased the scale of the Enterprise altogether, then its way off because in TOS and ST:V the shuttle bay fits like 2 shuttles. If theyve just gone and made the Enterprise bigger, I guess that’s alright, but its still weird.
I wonder why Pike and the Academy cadets are in Iowa.
Hey, a couple of these clips are good.
The needle on the Dare-I-Hope-o-Meter just quivered slightly upward :)
Groovy.
These clips are awesome!!!
@124 like recruiters for present-day universities, Captain Pike is in Iowa attempting to recruit young people for Starfleet Academy. As a star pupil, Uhura is there helping him make the pitch.
paul b.
you amuse me. do crossfades and fadeouts confuse you as well? welcome to the 21st century, fool.
Hey check out the impulse engines.
They’re pulsing like a checkerboard or something.
Cool.
Sorry don’t mean to geek out or anything….; )
Anyone else notice the Enterprise impulse engines churning?
I’d get me a Slusho Mix right now if they made one…
Great clips, we’re almost there!
I guess you did at the same time as me Spockboy!
These clips are streaming slow. Anyone else have this problem?
Paul B.
It is my sincere hope that despite your dislike of shaky cam and lens flares, you will still like this movie.
Your insulting and arguable friend in good faith,
THE GOVERNATOR
codename: Gd846c3
I’ve loved all of the clips, but the only beef I have is that the music is a little too Lost-esque. I know he’s the composer for the show “Lost”, but I’m hoping that the whole soundtrack isn’t this similar. LOVED his soundtrack for “Speed Racer”
I cant get the Nero clip to play!! WTH!!!?
Using Opera browser all the clips work fine, behind the scenes very cool…
123 – How big was the shuttle bay in TOS? How big was it in ST:TMP?
In Star Trek V the shuttle bay was shrunk down for budgetary reasons.
Looks about right to me.
134 – Isn’t that like saying Goldsmith’s Trek music sound “Alien-esque”, or Star Trek II sounds a little “Battle Beyond The Stars-esque”?
My Wife thinks the same thing, but it sounds great to me. Sounds like Michael Giacchino to me. :-)
I agree though, the clips were great.
That clip with Nero was VERY interesting, especially after reading Countdown.
#95 / Thomas had it EXACTLY right….
We really did film at the Budweiser plant. And the dialogue (and some set dec) was part of the deal.
But, really, what’s wrong with it anyway? Anheuser-Busch has been around for 157 years already, so who is to say that they won’t still be around that far into the future? It adds realism to the movie.
awesome clips. space dive is looking amazing. love the shot of the shuttle flying to nero’s ship at 51. giacchino’s score builds the tension there marvelously.
These clips suck. Whoever said updated higher res needs to be shot. I am still amazed at the video quality that people put up with these days.
Youtube sucks and so does these. Even standard definition TV looks like blu-ray compared to these.
With all the technology and all the broadband people still accept this crap.
I hear the music and I start thinking Jack, Kate, and Sawyer will be showing up any minute now. =)
Wonder if Robau was wearing a red shirt under his uniform.
These clips rock. Very nice. Very encouraging.
I laughed out loud at Sulu’s fencing line. Good no response from Kirk, just a look. Great stuff.
And as much as I have been less than enthused about the new action figures, I came across them in a store today. They don’t look a lot better in person.
I still bought one of everything they had. I mean, what was I supposed to do?
Are people seriously complaining about product placement? Idiots.
It appears all those Capt. Robau jokes are unjustified – he just got OWNED by Nero!
Regarding the Armada line:
If you consider that the federation is an orginization of planets and Starfleet represents the federation, (as Kirk constantly tells new planets, “we represent the Federation of planets”), and I know the ruling leaders of the federation are mostly earth bound but…it seems most of the work the Federation accomplished relies heavily on the use of starships and Starfleet.
So, couldn’t Pike be correct from that perspective?
I mean, we’re hearing Pikes view on the Federation here (He’s a bit biased, he is a StarFleet Captain).
I loved this movie and can’t wait to see it again. The films back bone is the characters. And finaly a film with great effects that aren’t shoved down our throat.
And I love that Cap. Robau has a middle eastern accent…
Quintessential Trek, showing us working along side folks of all nationalities…especially the ones Western culture has a hard time getting along with.
Love the Chat Inbetween Captian Pike and Jim Kirk! Also like the Stardate!
At it’s base level the use of the word Armada may seem wrong, but it can apply to the Federation. Armada can mean a force that advances for change (e.g. the Spanish Armada was sent to rid England of it’s heretical protestant queen and bring it back into the catholic fold) therefore the Federation can be described as a force/group that promotes democracy, fairness, equality and exploration.
I like those clips and can’t wait much longer to see them in on the Big Screen :D
And the new Stardate sounds cool and more accessible, 2233-04, Year and Day :D
Waaaaaayyyyyyheeeeeyyyy!
Not been so excited about a movie since the Lord Of The Rings Trilogy..
BRING IT ON!!!!!!!
why does Uhura mention a Cardassian drink? And I guess with JJ Abrams we have to accept there will now be more product placement, with Budweiser being ordered.
The bar scene where Kirk meets Uhura still seems a little off, that is the not we know, seems too much of a jerk. But the reviewers say he will become the Kirk we know by the end.
The scene with Pike is good but none of these clips are saying to me this will be the best Trek ever. I still have great love for the past shows and past movies. The hardest movies to beat are First Contact, Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country.
149- He should not have altered the stardates, they are a part of Trek as well and should not have been altered. It was orignally conceived to make the show futuristic.
That tiny bit of silence at the end of the Kirk-Sulu-Olsen clip caught my attention for some reason… really liked that.
The lengthier sequences are nice… we get a proper look at dialogue/visuals/etc. All looks good to me so far. Liked Kirk in the bar scene, liked Uhura, that bit with Nero was awesome. And I have to say, the way this movie looks/has been shot is just gorgeous to me.
Loved them. I like when the shuttle bay door opened. That looked awesome, and had great music.
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I am looking forward to this film.
Is it def done in a way that the original timeline of the past shows and 10 movies is still intact?
Will it make kids wantto go back and watch TOS, TNG, and the other shows and movies?
154. I can tell you that one major reason I went and watched TOS- not the only one, my family is a Trekkie one which helped, but one reason- was because I heard they were making a new film and was interested. :D I’m hoping more people will after they see the movie. It’d be great if I got more of my friends into the original Trek.
@151 The Stardates are still futuristic… but not as unnerving, chaotic and arbitrary as the “old ones”, now you can actually use them and know what they mean.
So the ENTIRE Federation uses Earth years as stardates? 2233-04 anno domini? WTF? What about those who don’t believe in Jesus Christ, like, uhm, founding members of the Federation like VULCAN?
Bob Orci, couldn’t you guys have thought of something less Earth-centric this time? The Federation is not a homo-sapiens-only-club.
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In my opinion, it’s as good the three you mention and surpasses all the rest ( actually, TWOK is in a class to itself, but so is the new one). I would say it’s better than First contact, but that’s just me.
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I’m watching Undiscovered Country right now and I’m noticing some early shaking came in the space battles.
People in the 23rd century would use entirely different systems. I’d be surprised if the metric system still existed in 300 years after we made contact with dozens of alien races and created a giant union of worlds. Same goes for time. If there are aliens out there, they don’t live in the year 2009. And because their planet is different from our Earth, they don’t have “meter” and “kilogram”. And so forth…
When something like the Federation is created, they’d settle for an entirely new system.
151- the year 2233 is not used is it? Because I thought the five year mission started in 2264?
155 – Will it also get kids into the spin offs
TNG became a great show in its own right, would also love the new fans to see Picard and Data
Not that I’m complaining about the film, I mean it’s going to be awesome. But could someone tell me why American directors/films are obsessed with shaky cameras (Saving Private Ryan, Jason Bourne series come to mind).
Great clips! Roll on May 8th!
Stuff like that turns “more accessible” into “stoopid” in my opinion, and it clearly shows you could have put more thought into it. Tolkien and Orwell did, so why don’t you? Does the Latin alphabet ever appear in a Star Wars movie? I guess no, because they knew “It’s another Galaxy, so they don’t even speak English, nor do they know what a Latin letter looks like.”
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First Contact is a hard one to beat. It had great action yet between the action pieces you have great character scenes. Among my fav scenes in First Contact are the scenes with Data and the Borg Queen.
At least the original timeline is still intact after thechanges. Does the film feel like a mirror universe or myriad universe?
I am looking forward to this movie a lot by the.
Although I have a few concerns about the changes dont ever think I am a hater.
Just felt that bar scene had a Kirk so unlike the Kirk we know and love.
Tickets aren’t avaialble yet and I want to order them as soon as they are available.
Guess there will be a few nods to the TNG era in this movie as well. Which is Excelelent because TNG is a show up there with TOS. It has always been Kirk vs Picard in debates.
These scenes literally caused me to salivate. I am so very ready to see this film.
I think the Stardate deal works fine, its a more tangable realistic form of dating then we find elsewhere in the Star Trek univerise!
Your point about non-Jesus loving peoples not using AD times seems to ignore the fact that Muslim, Hindu and, well EVERY faith on earth uses AD as their standard international dating system!
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Shot like a TV show. Close ups and ants in the pants shaky cam, except maybe when they have the FX shots. Jar Jar Abrams spent way too much time on TV shows. Has this guy ever seen a real movie?
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LOL Erica Bana in the 4th clip looks really pissed!
@168 — Well he’s made a couple of flicks. Critically well received and they made a ot of bank sooooooooo yes. Unless critically well received and good box means it was bad. Or are the only good movies outside of the mainstream audience.
Pretentious much?
the music from the orbital dive / space jump clip is really nice. it’s a bit like john williams… could be from star wars.
#169 – dzięki ! :)
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It should have felt more Goldsmith esque though
138:
Because in the 23rd century money doesn’t exist on earth nor revenue generating companies such as budweiser. In other trek series they would simply say ‘lager’ or something like that.
175:
they have always been not very consequent with this whole socialistic system they always claim to have. in some movies picard tells us there is no money – but in other episodes they have.
and besides – even if there is no money, it wouldn’t be a surprise if they still have different brands.
i like it – it’s much more realistic..
Robau redshirted? BAH!
I will be seeing a private screening of it and i can’t wait!!!
Can’t they just hold the camera steady during ‘quiet’ moments? Seriously, is it just me who finds that distracting and annoying?
The only negative thing I’ve had to say about the film. Everything else has me pumped. :)
176 – took the words right out of my mouth. Maybe it’s just the capitalist in me, but if you take money out of the equation, all of a sudden the human economic interactions that we relate to and find compelling fall apart. In my opinion, that was always a dumb element to trek, and I hope JJ and co. put it back in to my universe.
Concerning Armada: It works just fine, especially with Pike qualifying it with epithets like “humanitarian” and “peacekeeping,” which Starfleet is and has always been. Sure, it’s exploratory too, but just because Pike didn’t express that in this instance doesn’t mean a) that the filmmakers don’t think so, b) Pike doesn’t think so, c) that we will never again see the Enterprise exploring anything, or d) that this movie will suck. Get. freaking. over yourselves (yes, Paul B. I’m talking to you).
About the substitution of “Federation” for “Starfleet” I agree that it is a little more awkward than just saying “Starfleet” again, but I don’t agree that the distinction between Federation and Starfleet is analogous to the U.S. and The U.S. Navy. After all, the Federation of Planets (with hundreds of societies, as said in the dossier) always has been more loosely connected than the U.S. San Fransisco in the 23-24 centuries does not hold as much power as the U.S. federal government, and Federation worlds have been more autonomous than an individual state of the union on Earth. Federation officers on earth may tell Vulcan it can’t send its own ambassador to the Gorn to work out exclusive trade agreements, but it won’t tell them when and how their marriage contracts can and cannot be arranged. So therefore, the most unifying aspect of the Federation is its common military, scientific, humanitarian, and exploratory armada, Starfleet, which is it’s first line of contact with alien cultures. For all intents and purposes, the Federation is, by extension, Starfleet.
175: Explain ‘The Trouble with Tribbles’.
175 / TrekdomKeeper:
I said that Budweiser can very likely still exist that far into the future. I didn’t say anything about money. Who is to say that Anheuser-Busch will not completely change their whole business model to accommodate that change in financial structure?
(As a side note, the idea that there’s no money in “Star Trek” is a fallacy. I can’t remember where I saw it, but there’s a great montage video that shows many scenes that contradict that.)
Remember too that this is an alternate timeline. “Star Trek: First Contact” and “Star Trek: Enterprise” still exist, but, at some point after “Enterprise”, this timeline diverged. Who knows what happened in those 25 years.
Overall, though, the product placement is a small price to pay for having a “Star Trek” at all. Nobody knew if this movie would be successful. After “STX” and “STE”, Paramount was taking a big financial risk to make another movie. The budget was occasionally tight, and this deal saved us many, MANY hundreds of thousands of dollars….
I think people seem to forget that its not longer considered AD. Our current dating system no longer holds itself to the Christian calendar.
The world uses what we used to call AD but is now referred to in scientific and political communities and Common Era or CE.
And who says the rest of the federation uses it. Remember everything is Universal Translated in Star Trek, so a stardate in earth terms may be translated into the proper dating system for races who use another form, like I would expect the Klingons and Romulans to use. After all why would THEY use stardates anyway, thats a federation thing.They would use a date system in line with their own history, like for Klingons After Kahless or something along those lines.
183- Good point about the universal translator.
OMG, those clips are legendary! My favourite is the Captain Robau scene. Brilliant!
i’ll say it again,
i don’t expect anyone to agree, but i really love the industrial look of the lower decks. to me, it is an excellent juxtaposition of the clean, well lit “mind” of the bridge set, highlighting the mechanical, “subconscience” of the engine room. it also makes a creates a motif with the corvette, kirk’s bike, and the evolution of machines in general. this is good stuff that adds lots of new space relationships to the ship and gives us a lot to think about (or complain about, if that’s your thing.)
lens flares and realism in cam work is also an evolution: check the cam work in “farpoint” compared to TOS for example. wild shots and dramatic pans were all over the place. star trek has always tried to move forward stylistically until it got bogged and mired in it’s own canon, that is.
Klabnian fire tea?
#105.
Yes, she ordered the beer and Kirk acted like he’d never tasted anything like it before.
I am liking Captain Pike…
183…..
While you are correct that the scientific and political communities have gone to using the BCE/CE denominators for the calendar, it is still incorrect to state that the current calendar system isn’t Christian/ To truly remove the Christian component from the calendar would require a re-numbering. For instance, this is the year 2009 CE, which begs the question 2009 years from what event?
I generally agree that the calendar shouldn’t be so arbitrary, but it is, and just because someone or some group decided a few years ago to start using BCE and CE instead of BC and AD doesn’t change the nature of the date’s origins.
#180, and others:
Jon, your response was thoughtful and had some good points. The Federation is a looser political body than the United States, that is true. But I believe that there is still a massive distinction between the Federation and Starfleet. Massive. Conferences, Negotiations, trade agreements, etc. have all been mentioned in terms of the Federation. Starfleet has always referred to the ships, the functions of defense, exploration, humaniatrian missions, etc. Perhaps the difference between the American military forces and the Articles of Confederation (pre-Constitution in the United States) would be a closer analogy. But there is a HUGE difference between an Armada, which is a fleet of ships, and a political/governing body.
I am intrigued by how several people are attempting to explain this huge mistake. I mean, why not just say Starfleet when talking about an Armada, rather than rationalizing why Pike calls the Federation an Armada? Personally, I find it very painful that these new people at the helm of our beloved Trek, some of whom are not Trek fans (anybody see the NY Times article today?) were capable of making such a big mistake. Roddenberry certainly would never call the Federation an Armada. I just hope this is not a harbinger of other examples of a careless disregard for the basics of Star Trek. I’m not a purist, or a canon freak, I can accept change, but don’t mess with the fundamental cand core foundations of the show.
I really hope it’s an isolated example of such an oversight, because so far I like what I see of the movie. Fingers are crossed.
#146
I hope Captain Robau’s accent isn’t Middle Eastern because he’s supposed to be Cuban.
I’m not in love with the LOST sounding bits from the soundtrack. I mean there’s one part that sounds lifted wholesale right from a LOST episode. Not only does it take me out of the story moment because it’s so recognizable as belonging to LOST but it makes me wonder if this composer is nothing but a one note samba.
Anonymous, what other arguments can you settle… and, um, who are you…?
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All very true. But for the sake of a good movie (not that I’m asserting that Trek 2009 is one at this point, though I’m as intrigued by how positive the reactions have been so far as anyone), I’ll be more than happy to assume that Pike simply misspoke, and leave it at that.
#160 keep in mind this scene takes place rigt before kirk is born – 20 or 30 years before the bulk of the film so it does make sense that it is 2233
Hey, Uhura ordered a Cardassian sunrise! And Slusho! Nice touch ;)
But I don’t think she’s going to get much studying done…
I like how people griped about the Budweiser thing, but nobody complains about the Jack Daniels.
Captain Robau and Nero is too much badass in one clip for a mere mortal to handle.
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mentioning cardassians, not having stardates, having kelvin crewmen wearing enterprise insignia, giving sulu the wrong kind of sword.
do they care at all?
Budweiser is not everything, they’re making phonecalls through a nokia carsystem, with the Nokia logo huge on the dsiplay :S
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@ 200
Hows that any worse than 2001 where they where flying Pan Am, or calling home with Bell systems.
Though it could become dated in time, it brings a realness to things while enabling them to afford to do more cool crap because these companies are pumping money into the movie.
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On the topic of Cardassians…
Judging from my memory of the TNG episodes and using memory-alpha.org as a quick reference, there seems to be no exact date of first contact with the Cardassians in canon. I don’t think that it’s contradictory in the slightest that the Cardassians would be known in Kirk’s era. The first episode featuring the race, if my memory serves correctly, only described a war between the Cardassians and the Federation. Obviously this was well after Kirk’s era, but that shouldn’t make a difference. They could have been at peace with the Feds well before war broke out.
And just because the race never appeared in TOS doesn’t mean they weren’t around and sharing cocktail recipes. :)
146. SpocksinnerConflict – April 26, 2009
“And I love that Cap. Robau has a middle eastern accent…
Quintessential Trek, showing us working along side folks of all nationalities…especially the ones Western culture has a hard time getting along with.”
Ditto!
I like the shuttle scene. When JJ was saying he wanted everything to feel more real and liked Star Wars as a kid, I figured he’d dirty up the enterprise like how all the Rebel alliance ships had a layer of grime on them. But it’s more than that, more than just beeping lights, a layer of grime or more buttons etc- you get a feeling of reality due to the handholds, the seat belts, the dirty floor, the way the seats are worn down, and especially, the way there are ground control radio transmissions in the background. I was really impressed by that scene, and am really excited by this new, more tactile direction Star Trek is taking.
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While I completely agree with what you’re saying, EVEN if Christianity completely didn’t exist in the 23rd century, how would they orient the calendar? As arbitrary as saying 2009 years ago was the beginning of the “Common Era” may seem, what else is there to use? You know, 65,000,000 years PD (post dinosaur), 20,000 PIA (post-ice age)? In the end, they’d just have to arbitrarily pick another date to start with. It makes the most sense to just stick with what’s worked for the last two millenia.
And I’m betting “Anonymous” is JJ. Or ST XI’s accountant =)
The Robau clip stops on me after a few seconds…
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“And just because the race never appeared in TOS doesn’t mean they weren’t around and sharing cocktail recipes. :)”
and goods tend to flow more easily than governments or people- e.g. for many years Europeans were able to buy silk from the “Orient” but had no formal ties to China, no diplomatic missions there, no “first contact” if you will
What did Robau mumble after he answered what stardate it was?
Oh brother! Chief Engineer Olsen also has British accent?! (Or Aussie or NZ, couldn’t tell) Then he gets replaced by Scotty after he dies? Come on! – That’s a bit much don’t ya think? It’s like Kirk’s fetish for Vulcans as science officers, except nobody planned this. I guess if you use Orci’s logic, the Enterprise was always destined to have an accented subject of the former British Crown servicing her engines.
206. TrekTwenty, Federation’s birthday would be a good starting date :)
That scene between Kirk and Uhura in the bar is totally right out of Dawson’s Creek, or One Tree Hill. They released it because it appeals to the exact demographic Paramount is targeting and to show Kirk is just like they are, nothing geeky about liking Star Trek. It is definitely not written for the fan who wants to see what the real Kirk might have been like at that age.
Robau isnt much of a captain.
He couldnt even side step a charging attack being telegraphed from a mile away? I wouldnt answered any of Nero’s Q’s.
“Stardate? Do I look like chronometer?Go out and by yourself a starcalandar
douchebag”
Ok, so by the 23rd century there’s supposed to be no more money on Earth, right? I mean that was pretty clearly established by First Contact and has kind of been a general theme. So how can a guy (Kirk) offer to buy a girl a drink?
The use score is finally becoming clear. Sadly, much of it doesn’t work and is extremely mickey-moused in its conspicuousness. The orchestrations are basic and simple lacking much depth and Space Jump sounds like JJ temped it with the Jawa’s abduction of R2D2 an Tatoine in Ep. IV, and Giacchino is simply knocking it off – something he tends to do really well. That cue sounds just like John Williams wrote it, except the orchestration is no where near as proficient.
215. RD – April 26, 2009
“Space Jump sounds like JJ temped it with the Jawa’s abduction of R2D2 an Tatoine in Ep. IV”
Yeah, I caught the similarities between the two pieces right away. Of course, John Williams was accused of ripping off “The Planets” with his Star Wars soundtrack.
Loved the clips, by the way.
The way I few the Cardassian is simple, this film is not canon.
It is an alternate timeline which is separate from what has gone before.
a new timeline created to explain the changes they wanted to make.
This is going to be a great film but the hardest thing to accept is how different this will be.
I am not happy about the little things being changed but if he gets the ideals and characters right I can live with them.
I will prefer the original way always.
Prefer the Roddenberry way rather than the Abrams updated way
I am looking forward to the film of course, I cannot wait for May 8th
Guess what. John Williams is the biggest knock-off artist in Hollywood. Go listen to any of his soundtracks and you will instantly pick out themes from numerous classical composers.
#215 – Did you call Paramount and tell them? They’re anxiously awaiting your approval and they can’t release the movie without them.
You know, I wonder why your aren’t making movies. You obviously have the talent for it. I mean you’ve consistently gone against the opinion of almost everyone on this board. That clearly shows you know what you’re talking about.
yea, so i agree with those that are complaining here about the shaking camera. There arent so many flares this time around but the shaking is a major problem.
The best of these scenes BY FAR is the Nero scene. That thing’s well acted, the Romulans are interesting, the ship is beautiful – not filled with flaring lamps, and even the shaking is subtle……..
Ah! but the drop-ship scene and the scene after the barfight are both unforgivably and distractingly shaky. i actually caught myself looking away so that I could hear what was being said better. That’s a bad sign.
Sometimes shaky works, like i loved Cloverfield and even Battlestar Galactica had its moments despite the shakiness. But in all honestly and all fairness, they’ve made a mistake here and i just hope they tone it down for the next movie. please listen to fans in this regard, please.
#209 , Robau gives the star date and then asks, ” Where are you from?”
Re: 197
It doesn’t matter what he did elsewhere. It’s what he’s doing here. I’ve heard nothing but the LOST music in most of these clips and on the Star Trek movie site.
Stardates are kind of like the universal translator. Everybody has to communicate, so they make up a way to do it. With numerous inertial frames of reference to deal with throughout Federation space and beyond, a particular point of reference has to be used, otherwise you have all sorts of relativistic problems to deal with. I found the semi-random stardates from TOS very annoying, and it seemed like maybe there was some sort of system that not all of the writers were aware of, but for communication’s sake (with the viewers) there has to be some system when time travel is involved. The English language just doesn’t seem to take to time travel well.
There are certainly lots of opinions to be found here, and opinions about other people having opinions. If I’ll be allowed to share my professional opinion, gimmicky shots need to be used sparingly. They have their place, but if they are overused they become a nuisance and achieve the exact opposite of their intended objective, assuming that is to subtly add to the realism and emotion of the shot. If people are noticing it and complaining, can there be a bigger indication of failure of the technique? Of course, if they’re all film students, then that’s another issue. Just look at some old mid-80’s music videos as an example. The latest, coolest gimmicks might have been radical or stellar or whatever back then, but anyone looking at it now will find it as dated as the slang from that era and will find it nothing but a nuisance, assuming they don’t burst out laughing.
That said, although the hand held camera shake’s purpose is incredibly distracting to me and seems to be completely pointless and quite jerky, the “camera flare” I did not mind a bit. It helped give the shot a particular atmosphere, and although I thought it would have been nice to have seen the lasers in the background as well (maybe they’re shown elsewhere or I didn’t notice them in this tiny screen), I didn’t see any T2-esque lasers directly into the camera or anything like that. And, of course, you can’t make a movie without a fog machine, so the hazy lighting in the background with the lasers did not seem too obtrusive to me.
I’ve often said that if you don’t like the lyrics to a song why not write a new one instead of rewriting the old one everybody loves. Some bands can get away with breaking that rule, of course, but it’s generally a pet peeve of mine. I am hoping this is not going to be one of those types of situations. I have wanted to see early Kirk and Spock for at least 20+ years, so I am going in with the assumption that it will be an okay movie so that I will either be only slightly disappointed or well pleased. ST3 The Search for Spock was the first movie set I’d ever set foot on, then TNG made me lose interest in Trek for the most part, so I should be easy to please at this point.
The biggest knock off composers are Bill Conti and James Horner easily.
Horner is so bad he rips himself off all the time. Ive only caught Williams
a few times, he’s fairly restrained.
The video quality really sucks. Anyway we can some less choppy clips? Too bad for Robau, he just got owned by Nero.
The shot of the shuttle leaving the Enterprise shuttlebay gave me a tear.
I love TOS and I love all the spin offs
May I remind people that TNG became a great show in its own right. Please don’t knock it.
I love all Star Trek shows and I will love this movie as well.
#227 i didn’t much like the shot of the shuttle leaving the Enterprise, though I see quite a few did… I think it was just that the sound, to me, said Star Wars, not TREK. It’s just another little change that was completely unnecessary, but which ultimately rubs out another part of the world we all loved.
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Man, nothing is “rubbed out”, I will never undstand how THIS film erases anything.
And it’s actually quite necessary, once you’ve seen the film, as it fleshes out and enforces the idea that this is a slightly askew universe.
Having seen the film, I highly recommend every worried fan watch “Yesterdays Enterprise”, or “Parallels” both TNG.
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Yes, in fact, characters talk about it.
228- That was my point about TNG- it was different, and not something that I enjoyed, just because it was not my taste. I can’t think of any technical details that bothered me or even writing outside of individual episodes, of course. I just wasn’t interested. I did work on a project a TNG actor signed on for, and that did interest me, plus there were lots of new toys available for me to try out. It’s like tastes in food. Most modern TV shows don’t interest me much. I couldn’t point out any complaint about TNG as a whole off the top of my head.
product placement is cool, it does connect us with the Trek universe in a meaningful way. Shot of Jack, excellent. And please recall the Michelob product placement in “The Voyage Home”… Pizza place, Kirk, Gillian, knocking back brews…
Good to have relevance again!
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There is actually an article on this web site that interviews the actor talking about the middle eastern angle being a tribute or shout out to classic trek ie having Chekov.
I do remember reading something about the character being from cuba, but I also remember reading an interview with JJ, i think, saying he’s born in Cuba but is of Middle eastern decent or vise verse.
Cuba and the US ain’t too cool with each other either.
You know, it’s 23rd century style. Where you’re born and stuff doesn’t matter anyway. But yea, as far as i know…Middle eastern ancestry but born in Cuba or a Cuban raised in the middle east.
#86 Paulie.. get a life
That Robau clip rocks! Sorry I spoiled myself again.
86. Paul B. is intelligent but displays 2-dimensional thinking.
What’s the deal? I can’t get these clips to show UP, let alone play… it’s just white space on my screen between the headers for each clip
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Hmm, I see. I was under the impression the actor was Middle Eastern but the character was Cuban though perhaps I’m wrong.
I concur with 239… No clips are showing up for some reason, perhaps due to the update.
The clips are terrible quality from both sources that have them available.
You guys can try the iesb.net versions (which are smaller in size but should actually work).
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6781&Itemid=99
Greenwood as Pike is amazing. I LOVE the way he glares at Kirk, says, “I’m done” and gets up. This is obviously a man who doesn’t take any bullsh*t!
And, yes, the entire Kelvin/Narada sequence is amazing, one of the best in the film. The Romulans are scary in that scene, because they are so heartless and the poor Kelvin crew is so obviously outmatched.
I can’t believe how whiny some of the nitpickers are.
As for the Cardassian beverage, Cardassians were mentioned in Enterprise. That means that they’ve already been retconned into canon before the events of this film.
the film is a new canon, its a new timeline, therefore the changes in canon have no affect on the original timeline.
This film is a diff canon so the changes are explained by this.
It creates a separate universe from the rest of Trek and that is how I am getting use to the changes. The past Star Treks stil exist but this exists as an alternative to them
Gee that looks good. By the way, my western country doesn’t have any issues with most middle-eastern peoples or … cubans.
@211
Damn. You make a good point.
But then I guess… that would seem like a pretty arbitrary starting point for anyone who joined the Federation after it was formed. I know, I know… pretty weak argument.
I love the lens flare
do the stardates really matter that much? the shows themselves didn’t keep them straight … a 15 year span (TOS-TWOK)tosonly moved the stardates ahead from the 5000.00s to the 8000.00s and 75 years(TUC-TNG) they moved from the 9000.00s to the 40,000.00s.. they used the actually Julian calendar dates on Enterprise as a starlod date..helps those new fans keep up with where they are or when they are.. TOS never mentioned the century only that it was @200 years in the future
Im going to lock you up for 200 years…that should be about right…
This movie could have been the chance to FINALLY establish fundamental rules for everything that has caused controversy: warp speeds, stardates, the use of money in the Federation, etc…
But sadly they didn’t put much effort in it.
242. Matt Wright -
Thanks Matt! Those are running better on my Mac than the collider ones.
240. moauvian moau – April 26, 2009
235 “Hmm, I see. I was under the impression the actor was Middle Eastern but the character was Cuban though perhaps I’m wrong.”
Only the U.S. has issues with Cuba, the rest of the hemisphere (and the world) gets along with them.
His surname, I believe is Roberto Orci’s grandfather’s name. Other than that you should not make any assumptions. Especially in a future with a United Earth.
Why did Jean-Luc Picard, who would go home to France, speak with an obvious English accent?
#252
Isn’t it obvious? Britain finaly succeeding in conquering france once and for all, and everyone there speaks English in the future, with french going the way of Latin.
To all the people freaking over “Armada” in Pike’s dialogue.
PIke said the Federation is a “peace keeping and humanitarian armada”. I see nothing wrong with this description.
252.
You are making an assumption that I made an assumption. The character is actually listed as being born in Cuba. I was not making any such assumption that his surname is Cuban because it is hispanic – you see my father was born in Cuba yet my surname is not. You got the wrong guy. As for Picard, well i have always ASSUMED it was poor writing, though that IS probably a prejudice of mine. LOL
Thanks for the lesson.
#254
Seems like there are countries, where political bodies and their military are the same – thank god, I don’t live in one of them, but maybe you do ?
#255.
You’re right; Robau is born in Cuba, thereby “Cuban” in that sense. I agree with you. That is a fact.
BTW: Maybe Cuba in 200 years has had huge Arab or Middle Eastern immigration?
I catnt beleive you people ( the haters)
complaining on such little details on what you say is canon, canon didnt event existe until next gen, that is wher their big universe began. Before that star trek wasent that full of a history , it is today but back then rodenberry never thought star trek would become that big, it got cancelled after 3 seasons. Canon was contradictory from time to time anyway but we still loved our trek. would you have prefer not to see another movie? I think you haters are going to be surprise, its going to be great. And an armada is a fleet of warship’s .. ok but he says right before that ” a peacekeeping armada.”.. PEACEKEEPING!!! Stardates warent even comprensible before And for the budweiser , product placement… maybe !but first of all its gives the moviemakers $$$$ more $ better sfx and second of all even if the company dosent exist in the 23rd century it’s still part of human history, and she does say ”budweiser CLASSIC”. Im sure even Mcdonalds still exists in that time. Every movie has it’s imperfections , I dont think any of you would of loved seeing adam west with is grey spandex suit in the dark night. Even that movie had so many continuity issues 23 i think, 23 errors of editing, but its was the best movie of 2008. Star trek is back and better than before, it was getting lame. Ive been waiting so long for a star trek reboot , it needed it , it had so much potential. If you dont like it you have over 700 hours of trek and 10 so so movies to look at.
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Perhaps. I believed that happened before with Chinese immigration on the island.
I’ve been thinking about this idea that reformatting stardates around something resembling the Gregorian calender is wrong… while it seems odd (and when the stardates are mentioned in the movie they seem short) it doesn’t mean that the Federation is (or isn’t) an Earth-centric or human-centred or Christian or Post-Christian society.
The whole BC/AD BCE/CE thing, even if continued into this multi-species future doesn’t mean that Romulans (or whoever) have somehow decided to start dating from the (theoretical) birth of Joshua ba Joseph (whom the Greeks called Jesus) because they’re somehow even faintly Christian.
You lot, in America, use names for days of the week that derive from Norse mythology. From a pantheon of Gods that literally nobody who has ever lived on your continent has ever believed in. Because you got those names, along with your language, from the English, who had Viking rulers more than one thousand years ago. And they believed in those Gods.
Just because you use the nomenclature or linguistic furniture of a belief system doesn’t mean you endorse it. Or even know where it originates. How many people actually know the names of the Gods the days of the week are named after? Almost none. But everybody who speaks English knows and uses the same names for the days of the week. It doesn’t signify belief in Thor or Fricka or Wodin. It just indicates that these words and buried so deep in the language they no longer have conscious meaning. The same could be true of the Gregorian calendar in Federated times.
On the Robau Cuban/Middle East thing, the writers already mentioned this in a previous interview/article. People move around all the time — I’m sure it is a lot easier to move around the globe in 23rd Century Earth.
Plus, it is just cool to reinforce the global humanist perspective of a united Earth — a transnational earth without borders.
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Stardate could be used to reflect “Starfleets” calendar — and Starfleet is based out of San Fransisco.
It isn’t like he was asked, “Hey, whats the date on Romulus?”
He asked a human, in a Starfleet uniform, what the Stardate is. Consider the context.
A speculation on the lens flares that might make more sense to movie nerds:
Roddenberry described Trek as “Wagon train to the stars”. As in, it is supposed to have a kind of wild west, western feel to it. We got phasers and ship battles, yes, but Kirk and co. got into a lot of westerny fist fights.
That said, one of the trademarks of old westerns is the lens flare. I don’t know why. But it’s recognized as such, to the point that when making Firefly, Joss Whedon asked for OLDER lens sets that weren’t polarized so they would get those classic lens flares.
It may be a really conscious choice that JJ updated a bit. Just some speculation from a movie history buff.
Oh, and whomever said the F/X are “sucktastic”…
… you’re trying too hard. Really. The battle’s over. The movie is great, they spent an absurd amount of money on it, the F/X are crisp, sharp, beautiful and have a great deal of depth and scope. Possibly the best I’ve seen in quite some time. “Game changers” if you will, for movies set on space ships.
People grasping at straws need to find better arguments that can’t be defeated by just glancing at F/X shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feWdWVOUGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbqPY0vWztk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uR9faFHGqg
ok e1 here r way better film clips from youtube only 3 so far but i think these were the best of the bunch anyway
enjoy
@160
I’m going to pretend you forgot that when we meet Captain Robau Kirk really isn’t born yet, and if he is he’s hours old.
Who cares that the camera has some shake to it. It’s the first time Star Trek has used cinematography this way. It’s unique to the franchise in that way alone.
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“The United States is the greatest military power the world has ever seen.” How many times have we heard this line from the Pentagon? I wouldn’t read too much into the rethoric.
Military officials do have a tendency to conflate the state with the armed forces. They’re really referring to themselves in the third person (and are not suggesting that the country is ran as some sort of dictatorship). But they’re doing it in that very peculiar “egocentric” way. I wouldn’t take Pike’s verbal bluster as evidence that Starfleet Command has replaced the Federation Council as the ruling body or anything of that nature. Even Abrams wouldn’t go that far off course. If that were the case, he might as well rename the movie “Star Trek Troopers.”
Looks like J.J. Abrams best work since Felicity.
Really hate that Trek has opened to the bold new world of product placement. Blech! Next we’ll see the Golden Arches replacing the delta shield on the Enterprise uniform. I’ll take a half-sized film budget over that b.s. anyday, especially when it is so blatant and obnoxious.
Otherwise, OK. I’m reserving judgment. I’m a hopeful skeptic.
Loved the bit about Uhura’s first and last name and Sulu’s combat training.
@271 Remember the Michelob in THE VOYAGE HOME? That ship sailed a long time ago.
272. No, that Michelob was in 20th century Earth where it belonged and they didn’t add a dozen other name brands to the mix (I’ll have a Jack and a Bud Classic, oh wait a moment, my Nokia Tricorder is bleeping). It mucks up the feeling of the future, as in the Star Wars prequel train wrecks when our “galaxy far, far away” had obnoxious sports announcer parodies at the podraces and 1950s style diners with robots named ‘Flo’. It didn’t fit the context and this doesn’t either. It is blatant, annoying, and distracting.
If this were contemporary or even the near future (Blade Runner) I would accept it. If it were modestly done (like the Michelob) I could accept it. This has not been in the Trek 23rd and 24th century universe up until now and it should stay out.
Some of the original vision in Trek needs to remain beyond character and ship names for me to stay onboard. For me that involves the retention of some of the original vision. That vision, in my opinion, incorporates optimism, great characterization (the first two which this looks to have), the spirit of exploration and discovery, a certain level of multiculturalism (whether it involves we earthlings or our newfound alien friends), mixed with an idea or two. If Trek devolves into zappity zap space battles (not that there can’t be any, but there should be more to a Trek movie than this) and lousy and numerous product placements they have lost one fan and, I’m guessing legions more. Who knows? Maybe they don’t care and hope to replace old fans with new.
As I said, I’m not castigating a film I haven’t seen, but this is what I expect and hope for. With some of the news I’m thrilled at other moments I’m skeptical. I guess I’ll find out sometime after May 8th.
Has it flashed across the minds of you people that product placement isn’t always about the advertising money?
This is the future. A possible future. This movie was partially about world building, bringing in new people – it makes perfect sense to reference things we know now as having survived and prospered up to when the film takes place.
Stop having holy cows when you don’t need to. Trek is not a religion. Trek is not sacred. Nothing they are doing is morally wrong or even off base.
#275:”Stop having holy cows when you don’t need to. Trek is not a religion. Trek is not sacred. Nothing they are doing is morally wrong or even off base.”
Well said.
Have just watched those 4 clips in HD on Facebook.
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275. It is not religion. It is off base, IMHO, especially when it happens several times in the same scene. It is annoying and breaks the moment. In Blade Runner, even in Babylon 5 no. In Trek, yes.