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12th Star Trek TV Commercial w/ Screencaps & Analysis April 29, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Marketing/Promotion,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

Another day and another commercial for the new Star Trek movie, the twelfth if you are counting. This one has some more new bits, mostly extended parts of previously seen sequences. See below for the video and our usual screen caps and analysis.

 

 

All Cadets Report For Duty
This commercial uses music from a previous commercial, but has a new mix of clips, including more stuff from SFA and on the shuttle before the skydiving sequence. 

 

Screencaps & analysis

The following are the new bits in the commercial.

[SPOILERS]

Click images to enlarge




Sulu and Uhura during hearing at Starfleet Academy




Sulu tells Kirk his training is in fencing, and Kirk give him his ‘WTF’ face


Pike wishes the orbital skydivers luck


Random crewman on USS Kelvin has bad luck

More trailer analysis and details
And in case you missed it, check out our previous shot-by-shot analyses:

NOTE: numbering updated to match official Paramount scheme

 

(Video caps thanks to CinemaClockHDx)

Comments

1. Toben - April 29, 2009

Lens Flares, Lens Flares, Lens Flares everywhere!

2. Jon - April 29, 2009

I wonder who the people in the dark clothing/uniforms are in the academy scene.

3. ShawnP - April 29, 2009

May 7th can’t come soon enough…

4. Cheka - April 29, 2009

Looking forward to it.

5. Rie - April 29, 2009

Looking mighty awesome! :D

6. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

Now THAT’S what I’m talkin’ about. I’m really seeing Pine as Kirk.

7. MikeG - April 29, 2009

This is getting cooler – I can’t wait.

8. SULAR - April 29, 2009

Question: Will the movie show how Kirk goes from cadet (presumably for 4 years) to captain? Seem pretty quick. Or will we see 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th year cadet Kirk?

9. DMadron - April 29, 2009

wow, what an honor. This movie will be my first experience at an IMAX theater. I am looking forward to it, and hope to survive. Hope to see you there! Any of you close by that is. Im taking the entire family to it. ALL of them. How many seats are in an IMAX?

10. Shatner_Fan_Prime - April 29, 2009

#7 “Kirk goes from cadet (presumably for 4 years) to captain”

It’s less. :-(

11. SULAR - April 29, 2009

Is there a meet up planned for the 7pm showing at the Edwards Theater IMAX on May 8 in Houston, TX? I’m looking for all my Houston peeps!!

12. The Governator - April 29, 2009

Hmmm….. Not bad

13. SULAR - April 29, 2009

#9: “It’s less. :-(”

So will we see him graduate? Doesn’t canon state he graduates?

14. John from Cincinnati - April 29, 2009

Cadets are wearing red! Look at all those redshirts…

15. IcebreakerX - April 29, 2009

#12, I believe Nero gave the answer in the trailer…

“James T. Kirk was a great man… But that was another life.”

16. Jason - April 29, 2009

#1 Lens Flares, Lens Flares, Lens Flares everywhere!

I was very concerned that I would be distracted by thel ens flares during the movie (I saw a press screening a couple of days ago). Believe me, it is no where near as bad as I expected it to be, and in a lot of cases really adds to the realism. I forgot all about it – except on the quite bright bridge.

17. Jefferies Tuber - April 29, 2009

I just want to point out that lens flares are what happen when you don’t plan on shooting and you haven’t prepared the lighting. It’s stylized documentary, war journalism–a natural progression from CLOVERFIELD.

18. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

#7 I hope we won’t see too much of him going through the Academy. Otherwise, it’ll seem like a “Harry Potter” approach to those years. I’d rather see highlights (i.e. Kobayashi Maru) or other important events, graduation, posting, etc.

19. Christine - April 29, 2009

So. Great. So. Awesome.

I like Kirk’s face when Sulu tells him he’s trained in fencing. xD

Another really great trailer. First told people here about it on Monday, when it initially aired on Heroes!

20. AJ - April 29, 2009

Saldana’s Uhura is so sexy and exudes self-confidence in that bar scene with randy JTK.

I believe the pundits that this film has a great ensemble that just ‘clicks’ together. That is a hallmark of great Star Trek.

21. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

Anyone know if the “Either we’re going down… or they are” line is actually in the film? It seems a little… ‘trailery.’

22. Spock's Uncle - April 29, 2009

Several sources (and reviews) indicate the bar fight happens, Pike gets Kirk to enlist and then we jump 3 (THREE) years into the future, to a graduating Kirk. He completes the SFA… it’s a 3 year program.
Then he does one cool thing and becomes Captain–that’s the part I’m having trouble with.

23. Jon - April 29, 2009

It’s a four year program but kirk does it in three.

24. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

22 — I agree with you, at least it appears that way from the trailers. Some kind of field promotion based on heroism? I dunno — it does seem like quite a stretch.

We know he’s older than some of the other cadets, but I gotta believe that a hierarchical organization such as Star Fleet (if it actually existed) would still have rules governing promotion.

25. Brad - April 29, 2009

1 – I don’t even notice the lense flares anymore.

26. SULAR - April 29, 2009

#22: That’s sound plausible. But I too am having the problem with “one cool thing”.

27. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - April 29, 2009

Oh my God!!! Just 8 more long and I mean long and excruciateing and torturous and agonising days till the Movie comes out!!! Im in Pain! and Agony!!!!. Please help me till then!!!!.

28. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

WRT the lens flares, I think (or hope) that the most severe examples were shown with the bridge clip previously posted. I’m getting used to them as well — it feels as if you’re in the middle of things — but I’d hate to see them used too often just for the sake of using them.

29. Christine - April 29, 2009

#22 :: Keep in mind that we are still talking about Kirk. We’re talking about the guy who evaded death so many times it made him seem invincible until the whole… mess with the nebula.

But I digress.

Call me crazy, but after seeing all the stuff Kirk went through during his five year mission (and beyond!) it wouldn’t surprise me that he’d advance to captaincy so quickly. He’s Kirk. He’s born to be that awesome.

30. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - April 29, 2009

We do know that they use the stardates and of corse theres a reference the Capt Archer or Admiral Archar. So i think a lot stays the same up to the point that the Narada attacks. Then things go to a different time line then the prime one we all know and love.

31. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - April 29, 2009

it is said that kirk was the youngest Capt in Starfleet in the 23rd century in the Prime Timeline. So it would be Logicle to assume that he would do it in the new timeline. he was the youngest capt in Starfleet till Capt Scott did it in the 24th century. But she was killed by the slugs or by a Phaser.

32. Konar - April 29, 2009

Doesn’t he sieze the captaincy on what could be called a technicality and then go on to save the world(a)? I find that acceptable and befitting an emerging hero story.

33. tysus - April 29, 2009

The cadet and grey uniforms look cooler then the classic trek uniforms,

34. Locke for President - April 29, 2009

Regarding lens flares:

Type in “Star Trek lens flares” in Google and you’ll find several sites with J.J. Abrams talking about the subject. He admits he might have gone too far in places. He also explains how and why he did it.

I don’t recall seeing any similar article on this site before, so if it’s already been published (but I missed it), please disregard.

35. tman - April 29, 2009

Is there some point where they will have shown too much of this film and nothing will surprise????

36. John from Cincinnati - April 29, 2009

23.

Correct. Pike tells Kirk he can finish the academy in 4 years and get a ship in another 4. Kirk says “I’ll do it (SFA) in three”.

37. klandry1 - April 29, 2009

OH MY GOD!!! Who really gives a care about Lens Flares???? I’m really sick about all the lens flare comments. Just don’t go see the movie if you care that much!

38. ster julie - April 29, 2009

In the Uhura-at-the-Academy-assembly shot, I finally see Zoe as Uhura. She has Nichelle’s regal bearing, and check out those eyes!!! It just didn’t come through as strongly in the previous pictures.

23. It can be done. I went through university (B.A.) in three years and had my teaching certificate one term later. All by the time I was 21. A person with drive can do just about anything.

39. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - April 29, 2009

8 Days and 43 minuts. On the count down!!!!!!

40. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - April 29, 2009

Kirk even though was never realy mentioned did have a photographic memeroy. So with that and his drive he can easily do it in 3 years. otherwise he could not be the youngest capt in starfleet history in the 23rd century.

41. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

41: If it’s going to be distracting, then I’ll care. Yes, I want the film to feel “real,” as JJ Abrams has mentioned many times, but I simply hope that I don’t have to squint too much during those scenes.

And let’s face it, it IS a very minor thing. I have a very strong feeling, though, that I’m going to love the movie because of the story, the characters, and yes, the effects. I’m really hoping for the total package.

42. The Governator - April 29, 2009

Hmmm… Well Daniel, looks like I was right.

Anyway, yeah, I can’t believe how close we’re getting. And yet, it still feels like an eternity away. I’ve got some friends joining me next Friday night. Should be fun, except that one of them is the Anti-Trek. But hey, maybe he’ll like it.

43. Christine - April 29, 2009

#32 :: That’s my understanding at this point.

But I haven’t seen the movie or every. Single. Spoiler. (Tempting, though!)

44. Sci-Fi Bri - April 29, 2009

looking good

45. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

OK, so my last post should have referenced 37, not my own post of 41. Looks like a few posts were deleted.

46. Kon (D-SF) - April 29, 2009

Just bought the last ticket for the San Francisco IMAX show – both 7 & 10 PM are now sold out, can’t wait – see you there!

47. That Dude - April 29, 2009

Sweet! I bought my Star Trek ticket today for a 7:30pm showing on May 7th! Yay! By the way, I love the effect and vibe the lens flares give. It just gives it character. I love it.

48. JSimmons - April 29, 2009

Wonder if that hearing scene is at the end of the movie and where they make Kirk Captain of the Enterprise.

49. Agent69 - April 29, 2009

What kind of combat training do you have?
-Fencing
*stare*

HAhaha. Brilliant.

7 more days. I can make it.

50. Bill Peters - April 29, 2009

I am assuming that the “either we are going down or they are” line is in the Movie! I am so looking froward to May 7th at 7pm have several good friends joining me!

51. Nostalgic G - April 29, 2009

This played on Heroes this week.

Hope all the fans who’ve turned their backs on Star Trek show up for this one on opening weekend.

At least give the flick a chance, not like with the last two films, which people started bashing even before seeing them — going by the box office numbers of those 2 films it was clear the fans did not show up to see them in theaters. I do agree with the majority of fans, they were not great films but people shouldn’t be putting down a film if they haven’t even seen it.

I did my part on those films and saw them 3 times in the theaters. If we truly are Trek fans and believe in it and its potential we should show our support because if not then these films and shows will truly go away.
Complain and rant all you want AFTER you’ve paid to see them.

-Nostalgic G.

treknostalgia.blogspot

52. CmdrR - April 29, 2009

I hope they didn’t leave the reversed shot in the final cut. I’d REALLY like to see Zpock’s delta shield on the left side… for a change.

Anyway — more and more, we see the marketing aimed squarely at teens. Sex & violins. Let’s just hope there’s some brain chow in the mix.

53. Valar1 - April 29, 2009

2

“I wonder who the people in the dark clothing/uniforms are in the academy scene.”

I believe Cadets are in Red, regular commissioned officers are in Gray. Those are their dress uniforms.

54. Dr. Image - April 29, 2009

Flares:
The funny thing is that modern lenses are virtually flare-free.
All of those flares were a VERY conscious decision, which took a lot of effort to create.
Go figure.

55. Will_H - April 29, 2009

Yeah, I’ll have to wait and see how annoying those flares are in the movie, but I have to say this is my favorite of the 30 second clips so far.

56. SaphronGirl - April 29, 2009

HOLY CRAP!!!!

Did anyone else just see the snow monster sequence during LOST???!

57. Brad - April 29, 2009

I DID!!!

58. MORN SPEAKS - April 29, 2009

Yeah, that was crazy the title card turned to stars and the Enterprise bursted out!!! Totally awesome, that monster sequence was surprisingly kinda funny!

59. The Governator - April 29, 2009

CRAPOLA CRACKER JACKS!!!!!!

AWESOME monster sequences! Somewhat funny too, and yet also very thrilling and tragic. Absolutely A+++++ effects. The movie can’t come soon enough.

60. The Governator - April 29, 2009

Yeah, that was really interesting. I see the Lost title card sequence for like a brief second, and then, WHA BAMMM, The Enterprise blasting through into warp and this amazing movie sequence.

61. voyager - April 29, 2009

Who else is going to see it on the 7th? My showing is at 7:30 PM.

62. Kirk's Girdle - April 29, 2009

The thing that was chasing Kirk looked like a Rura Penthe guard dog, but we’re not on Rura Penthe. I still find the nature of the bigger monster unusual, that is, a hairless monster in a frozen wilderness.

FARRADAY RULES!

63. The Original Spock's Brain - April 29, 2009

Yet another new commercial during Idol about 8:40 CT. With few secs of new footage.

64. The Original Spock's Brain - April 29, 2009

includes quotes from reviews.

65. Hallbjorn - April 29, 2009

Just came home from a advance screening of the new Star Trek movie in Iceland and it’s GOOD :)

Let’s just say I was smiling a good part of the movie :)

66. JJ_roddenberry - April 29, 2009

FFS….

Decent trailer, but what the hell is with the music? God almighty… it’s setting off my gaydar.

67. JML9999 - April 29, 2009

#2&53 Dark Clothes Instructors/Professors/Teachers see Trailer #3 Spock is an Instructor as per Movie site Dossier

68. JJ_roddenberry - April 29, 2009

“I did my part on those films and saw them 3 times in the theaters. If we truly are Trek fans and believe in it and its potential we should show our support because if not then these films and shows will truly go away.
Complain and rant all you want AFTER you’ve paid to see them.”

Hahahaha…. sure! I paid to see them – rental.

I don’t see how knowingly going to see shoddy movies makes one a better fan..
That doesn’t necessarily apply to this movie though, it seems like it’s better than the last two, but really..

69. 24th Century Rockstar - April 29, 2009

Out of left field – anyone seen the scrawny, underfed, and unflattering Emma Frost depiction in the latest Wolverine trailer yet? (I’m refusing to watch the leaked copy) GODS what happened there? Here’s hoping they find some way to tweak her into the femme fatale she’s supposed to be. A corset and a hamburger might be a good start! XD

- 24th CRS

70. SaphronGirl - April 29, 2009

64.(The Original Spock’s Brain)

I was surprised by the quotes that they chose… there are far more flattering ones that they could have used.

71. JML9999 - April 29, 2009

Lens Flares- If we Speak of Photos 2 and three I don’t think those are flares I think they might me voting on Kirk’s Guilt based on facial expressions.

72. John Sullivan - April 29, 2009

Okay, even emailers from people in the know tell me that 1) thanks for the ideas, 2) No, this is NOT a corruption of Star Trek as we know it to have such a mangled Enterprise without Captain April, Captain Winters, or anybody but Captain Pike … the story sets that straight, as well as the altered reality of what is “Star Trek” to have that Mustang of the ship we know somehow make an appearance as an El Camino … which looks the same in silhouette granted with the four tires and drive shaft …

… but the story falls apart for one simple reason. Chekov is 22 years old in Season 2 of Enterprise, McCoy is 45, and Kirk is 34. Uhura’s age is unknown, as is Sulu’s, but since Uhura is an Ensign when Kirk was a Lieutenant 12 years ago, and Sulu is a Lieutenant … the obvious place I’m leading everyone is in the fact that given the background of the Star Trek Bible written by the late Stephen Poe and Gene Roddenberry (The Making of Star Trek) it is physically impossible for this group to have come from a single graduation class. And even if they did, then that would presume that in TOS Season 1 Uhura was still an Ensign after 12 or 13 years, which given her tremendous and well-known linguistic skills – even if they are in saying “Hailing Frequencies Open,” and “No Response, Captain,” she is presented in the Star Trek we know as an incompetent Ensign totally incapable of earning a promotion.

Besides … and I have said this before as someone who served in the US Navy for 20 years, beside the fact that Spock’s “First Command” was on the Galileo 7 and that Spock would only go in line as First Officer after the death of Gary Mitchell, Science Officers don’t go to the Academy, and neither do Ship’s Surgeons.

So with all of that said, I must conclude that I look forward to Alan Dean Foster’s apologetics regarding all of this, and I just don’t buy any of this so far. Prove me wrong, if you can. Even if it is a time-warped change in time, Chekov is still 8 years old when Kirk is outmaneuvering the Kobayashi Mari.

73. M. Eadie - April 29, 2009

#72

Chill dude.

74. RoobyDoo - April 29, 2009

Crap. No Trek monster commercial during Lost in Canada.

75. ServantWarrior - April 29, 2009

Saw the Trek spot during American Idol, but I REALLY wish I had seen the one during Lost. Can’t wait for that to be posted online.

76. ShawnP - April 29, 2009

72. John Sullivan

Isn’t one of the plot points that, as a result of certain events, Kirk meanders a bit and goes in later than he initially did?

77. The Governator - April 29, 2009

72. John Sullivan

Are you serious? That wasn’t a joke?

Honestly, who gives a crap. And where exactly is this Trek bible that says how old these characters are when they join the Enterprise? Are you basing this on how old the actors were or the actual characters? And since when does this affect the story? I mean, really, that may be a canon gripe, but something that makes the entire story fall apart? Umm, no. Not at all, really.

Canon is defined by Roddenberry as being anything that appears onscreen. To my knowledge, the characters age was never made clear at any point during the series or movies. So your argument is baseless whether your sources are credible or otherwise.

Oh, and last I checked, Starfleet and the US Navy aren’t the same thing. Maybe the academy just works differently? Ever thought of that? Or perhaps you are just looking for something to criticize.

In any case, your points are ridiculous.

Here’s to hoping you “buy” the idea of this film in the end. When I go and see a movie, I don’t sit there and start nitpicking everything. Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of going in the first place? After all, movies were created as entertainment. But as they say, to each there own.

78. The Governator - April 29, 2009

To be honest, I don’t want the clip posted online. I am glad I saw it, because it was frekin’ AWESOME. I just want to get the “full experience” in the theater. No more clips. It was just so good, that I want it to still have some impact when I see it on the big screen. I guess if it is posted, I don’t have to watch it, but I want everyone else to get the full experience too. Plus, I’ll be too tempted to watch it again.

Oh well, if it gets posted, it gets posted, and I will end up watching over and over. :)

79. Nero - April 29, 2009

42. The Governator

Tell your anti-trek to watch out or I will erase him from history too

80. The Governator - April 29, 2009

79. Nero

LOL!!!!!

81. Ensign Fox - April 29, 2009

Getting away from the subject of lens flare for a moment, here in Thailand the first commercials aired during the evening news last night on Thai Channel 7. Very, very brief and nothing we’ve never seen before on this site. Mostly action scenes, close ups of some major characters, the orbital skydive and ending with the Kelvin’s final moments. No speaking scenes, just the usual voiceover guy saying to prepare ourselves for the greatest sci-fi epic ever. Or something like that. Went by so fast and I was freaked out by seeing it on my TV. This morning, most of the workplace is going crazy with anticipation. From a non-trekkie perspective my girlfriend felt Nero believable enough and hoped the other characters would be also that she would get her friends to see it with her, although they could never watch any Star Trek (tough crowd) or cared much about the breathtaking cgi imagery you’d get in modern sci-fi.

Star Trek 2009 premiers in Thailand on the 7th. So see ya!!!

82. pock speared - April 29, 2009

#72
wow. you should absolutely never see this film (and make sure your mom doesn’t, too! oh yeah!). this blatant insult to your math skills defines your boundless wisdom. all hail your high wankery, as only you see the truth of this travesty. we were such fools to imagine we might enjoy it.

hey! you should go to orci’s house and PEE ON HIS MAILBOX!!!!! that’ll teach the jerk to mess with THE FUTURE!

if you’re the navy, we are so doomed.

83. Fubamushu - April 29, 2009

Did anyone find it odd that Cadet/Ensign Kirk screamed like a little girl when being chased by the big monster* thing? Didn’t seem exactly like Kirkian behavior to me.

*(Which, BTW, looks suspiciously like a creature I designed for SPORE)

84. pock speared - April 29, 2009

lens flares make my girlfriend cum violently, so i’m for them. often.

85. pock speared - April 29, 2009

#83
i’m kirkian, and i squeal like a little bitch when monsters chase me. so there.

86. Jai1138 - April 29, 2009

to 72.

I’m a stickler for canon in that I agree with posts in the past while that comment on the necessity for continuity within ANY story, whether it is a single movie or a 40 something year franchise BUT

Even though the new film is set in an altered time line, the key ages of characters established on screen hold up. In the 2nd season of TOS, Chekov is established as 22 and Kirk as 34. If in the new film Chekov is a 17 year old whiz kid (as suggested by early publicity), then Kirk is 29 (which is close to the actor’s age of 27) and the altered universe plot suggests that though Kirk passed the entrant exams and is considered a prime candidate for the Academy, he only enlists after years of directionless wandering until he accepts Pike’s challenge. Some of the trailers suggest him boating he’ll have his own starship in 3 or 4 years which actually matches established TREK “reality”.

Geekery! But I love it.

87. pock speared - April 29, 2009

#83
good point. without SPORE, there would never be a star trek. thanks!

88. S. John Ross - April 29, 2009

#84: Mr. Abrams! Hi!

89. Yippeekaiyaymofo - April 29, 2009

On May 7th, I can’t wait for the Trekmovie article called “The wait is over,” Then I’ll know it’s really happening! I already have my tix for the IMAX show, and my friends (star wars people) will know i’m not crazy. This concludes the dorkiest post I will ever write. Thank You.

90. Oktoberfest - April 29, 2009

37. klandry1 – April 29, 2009

Applause!

77. The Governator – April 29, 2009

Sorry mate, John is correct on all points.

91. The Governator - April 29, 2009

90. Oktoberfest

How?

92. pock speared - April 29, 2009

#90
john is a fool on all points. rhymes with tool. as in “oktobertool”.

93. Aaron R. - April 29, 2009

Sulu is the frakking balls to the wall awesome sauce shit guys… “fencing”…. wtf stare… perfect! And you know he’s gonna whip it out and frak up some Romulan punks big time and Kirks gonna give the “well okay then” look lol

94. Ian - April 29, 2009

Ah! There’s just too much going on! I can’t stand it any longer!

Luckily, I’ve got my tickets for 7 pm on the 7th and a 2 pm showing for IMAX the next day! :-)

95. James T. Kirk - April 29, 2009

Did anyone catch the special preview on Lost with kirk on Delta Vega being chased by that ice monster?

It is freaking awesome in HD

96. Dr. Image - April 29, 2009

#72- A valiant effort, but they basically ignore most of it, so-

I’ve decided (to have it all make sense to my canon-saturated brain) that as soon as Nero goes back in time, he ends up in a slightly different timeline- one that’s not quite the same as pre-classic Trek.
Now, all the things that have bugged me are suddenly gone!

How’s that for rationalization?

97. Praetor Tal - April 29, 2009

This has been such a long wait, I may pass out and only snap out of it in time for the DVD release.

98. John Sullivan - April 29, 2009

To my fans and critics at 72, 76, and 77 … Pavel Chekov was born in the year that the Enterprise was launched … and according to my own fiction the same year the Archer and T’Pol died … I do not want to dismiss the use of my own fiction in the formulation of this film since it is actually a sourced rewrite (anyone on Star Trek.com reading Fairy Tale over the years since 2004 will confirm this) … and I will chill on this … but check out http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Pavel_Chekov on the confirmation that Chekov could not be anything but an 8-year old.

Although I rarely plug the show since the host looks like a coca-cola addicted junkie, JJ is about to appear on Jimmy Kimmel Live, and I will be watching for something more than the “Wolverine” crap I’ve too often seen plugged on this website (Sci-Fi and Horror and Fantasy are clearly not my gig) … JJ is about to appear on Jimmy Kimmel Live … hopefully to admit that he doesn’t really understand Star Trek at all.

NOW IN ALL FAIRNESS … in the remastered edition of THE CAGE you’re about to see this weekend, Spock proves “The Galileo Seven” episode wrong by taking command of the Enterprise, once the cut clips from “The Menagerie” are reinserted, and Spock jumps into the Captain’s Chair and yells “We’re leaving! Switch to Rockets! We’re blasting out of orbit~! (of Talos 4)!!!” So even by those tough words by the logical but smiling Spock to abandon Captain Pike, the presumption that Spock’s first command was aboard the Galileo 7 obviously is in cannonical error.

But that doesn’t explain the changes to the starship’s design, or to the fact that Chekov was 8 years old when Kirk was in the Academy.

99. John Sullivan - April 29, 2009

#86 … I really would totally agree with everything you say but we still have the problem with Pike & Spock going from Rigel to Vega diverted to Talos 4 … 13 years ago … when Kirk by your figures would have been 29+13 (42) and let’s not forget that Lieutenant Kirk (after an initial posting with Finney on the USS Republic) would have been on the USS Farragut 12 years ago. Now I don’t dismiss that the word “year” has very little significance outside the Solar System’s 3rd planet, but so far as we know Chekov would be from St. Petersburg (not Lenningrad, we hope) Russia and not Mars. But as there are 2 years on Earth on Mars for every year on Earth, let’s agree with you and agree that when Chekov says he’s 22 (“Who Mourns for …”) he really means 44 because he grew up in St. Petersburg, Mars.

100. RD - April 29, 2009

#95 I did. TWO WORDS:

GALAXY QUEST

It’s the dumbest sequence I’ve seen since the Gerignak scene. It’s got George Lucas written all over it, too.

And if that’s the best Giacchino can do for score, it’s going to be a long bumpy, camera-flared, campy ride. I just hope unlike Cloverfield the camera flares and hand-held camera shots don’t cause seizures and motion sickness in the audience.

101. The Governator - April 29, 2009

100. RD

I did too. TWO WORDS

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

Its the most brilliant sequence I’ve seen since the previous clips. It most definitely DOES NOT have George Lucas written all over it, as he doesn’t have the directoral talent to do something like this.

And if that’s the best Giacchino can do for a score, which I highly doubt, its going to be a very good, long, thrilling, camera-flared, stellar ride. I hope I get seizures all day long.

102. sean - April 29, 2009

#98, 99

“I do not want to dismiss the use of my own fiction in the formulation of this film”

I’m a little confused, John. You don’t want to dismiss ‘your’ fiction, but the very premise of this film is that what you’ve known before has been changed. So, I’m a little lost as to what you’re getting at.

103. Jai1138 - April 29, 2009

99. John Sullivan

I’m no math whiz but I can’t follow your figures.

By my reckoning in TOS time line Kirk would have been 20-21 at the time of Pike and Spock’s experience at Talos IV which corresponds to his experience on the Republic and the Farragut.

The Okudas Chronology works it all out as best as possible (time for reissues/expansions of it and the Encyclopedia; I’m still disappointed there’s no Art of or Making of books for ST 09). In fact, the original time line works out so surprisingly well, I still have a tinge of disappointment that the story choices for the new movie just didn’t stick explicitly with what has been established.

And I don’t see how Chekov has to be from Mars for this to all make (relative) sense; you lost me there, pal.

104. Robert Saint John - April 29, 2009

#100 – The score is **wonderful**. I don’t think we’re allowed to talk about it here, but click on my name for a review (I got my shipment from Amazon early, again!)

105. StarFleet Captain Carson - April 29, 2009

Do you think this FLU alert will keep people from seeing “Star Trek”? I hate the effect it will have on the first few weeks. I went to the movies tonight and it was empty! The IMAX preview was GREAT !

106. The Original Spock's Brain - April 29, 2009

72. John Sullivan -

In the movies and TV, actors often play characters who’s age doesn’t match the actor’s real age.

Let me give you a simple example that shoots down your argument.

Deforest Kelley was 46 in 1966 (ne: 1920). And this is a big “but”: Leonard McCoy was born in 2227 (canon). Means that in 2266 he is 39 years old.

So let’s say McCoy goes to medical school straight from college (4 years); plus 4 years residency (can be longer for a surgeon). Let’s say he’s 30 at that point. He practices for a few years; marriage fails; he enlists in Starfleet, graduates in his late 30s. Falls perfectly inline with canon.

Karl Urban will be 37 in June. So who’s closer to Leonard McCoy’s “real” age?

You know what? It doesn’t matter.

Point is you can’t take the actors actual ages and create a chronology.

107. Bill Peters - April 29, 2009

Hope the Flu scare amounts to nothing and that it doesn’t become a Pandemic, but I think Star Trek will do good any whey!

108. Bill Peters - April 29, 2009

Here is to hoping we get a Squeal and that Star Trek Lives long and Prospers

109. RD - April 29, 2009

101 The monster looks like the Cloverfield Monster. Everything about that clip is derivative of something Abrams saw as a child or something he’s already done as an adult. The fact that you refute everything I say exactly point-for-point demonstrates complete bias the likes of which I have not seen since Dick Cheney insisted we had to invade Iraq.

But you keep playing tit-for-tat with me and balancing my yin with your yang and perhaps we might just get a balanced review of this film.

110. Yammer - April 29, 2009

86 – This is the one thing that bugs me about the reboot, the getting of a captaincy right off the bat. Connies are capital ships, line of battle ships, the biggest and the best. To have never commanded a small craft then worked up through lieutenancy to XO to skipper is really bizarre, to the point where my mind can’t really accept it. However, it doesn’t kill the buzz for me, I am hopeful that there will be some kind of explanation.

111. Son of Surak - April 29, 2009

Hey #72, John Sullivan, thanks for the interesting analysis. Just ignore the naysayers. What bugs me also about Star Trek is that there are so many inconsistencies that its harder for it to seem like a coherent alternative universe, a la Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Dune, Battlestar Galactica, et cetera. Much of the problem has to do with the vast scope of the Trek effort, with so many different writers and producers working on the various movies and TV shows for the past forty years. And of course ultimately, this is a business and there’s a bottom line, so artistic compromises have to be made and all that. Nevertheless, whenever possible, it’s really cool for the creative teams to minimize the inconsistencies (which to their credit, they’ve often done), and avoid new ones like those you described above. Pointing out room for improvement is a worthy task. So thanks. You’ll probably have more to contribute on such issues after next weekend (hopefully not too much more, though).

112. The Original Spock's Brain - April 30, 2009

11. SULAR – April 29, 2009

We’re meeting for the 9:55 show at the Edwards Marque IMAX on May 8 in Houston, TX. You can find my email on my website. I’ll have a sign that says “Trekmovie.com H-Town Chapter”

The wait is (almost) over!

113. mtatulda - April 30, 2009

The movie it pretty good, I saw it yesterday. A word of caution, dont sit in a front row or your eyes will bleed. Also be prepared THIS movie will crush everything you thought star trek was and will never be the same :’(

114. Olley Olley Olley - April 30, 2009

#72
Please don’t plug your “20 years service” in the Navy and then try to copy and paste the rules of the 21st century military to a 23rd century fantasy.

115. Geoffers - April 30, 2009

I saw the first UK tv spot last night (on Sky Sports, during the big MANU game).. and seemed to be a different edit again from all the US ones we have seen so far.

116. CAPT CRUNCH - April 30, 2009

the Lost “monster” scene was awesome…when I saw the stars behind the Lost logo I immediately knew it was coming.. the Enterprise flying out of the “O” was awesome/// the whole scene was completely different from what you expect from a Trek movie..never really got monsters before, except the animated series… good or bad it was an awesome scene…I know it is already being comapred to the scene in Phantom Menace..”theres always a bigger fish”. but how can you fight it…$300,000,000+ is a pretty good take..and Trek needs to deliver..or at least pander to the Star Wars set as well…
I love both franchises, and it is easy to see the similarities…Kirk is Han Solo…monsters, epic space battles, blah, blah,blah…just be cool again!

117. AdamTrek - April 30, 2009

108. Bill Peters – April 29, 2009
Here is to hoping we get a Squeal and that Star Trek Lives long and Prospers

You need a quarantine. Don’t be infecting other fans on opening night. You said “squeal” instead of sequal. You obviously have the first stages of swine flu. It affects brain function, making you say words you don’t mean. And try not to pig out on snacks during opening night either. That’s stage two.

118. Jorg Sacul - April 30, 2009

I can’t wait until we’ve all seen this, and look back on how silly all this back and forth arguing appears. Then, we can get on to REAL arguing!! :-)

119. mondomondo2009 - April 30, 2009

I can see it now….movie flops due to bans on large public gatherings……

120. sean - April 30, 2009

I don’t see anything in that ‘monster’ scene that screams Star Wars or Galaxy Quest or Cloverfield. Other than it is a monster. So I guess all monster movies have been ruined.

121. Capt., USS Dauntless - April 30, 2009

A most interesting thought crossed my mind that pretty much ensures this movie will negate all events after the Wrath of Khan.

SOMEWHAT SPOILER (then again, I haven’t seen the movie but I’ve heard a ton)

If Vulcan does in fact get imploded by nutso Nero in the new film, then Spock’s Katra ceremony in ST III will not be able to be performed, thus leaving him deceased and forcing the new film’s Old Spock to drop dead/disappear as soon as the implosion happens.

It’s simple quantum physics kids :)

122. mgoodr00 - April 30, 2009

Who says “we have recieved a distress call. All cadets report for duty”?

Is that Tyler Perry … aka Madea?

123. uss cowbell - April 30, 2009

As far as the “always a bigger fish scene goes, hopefully Orci/Kurtzman were going for a TPM homage because thats exactly what it comes off as. Of course these are the same guys who thought a peeing robot would be HILLARIOUS..sigh.

124. sean - April 30, 2009

#123

Because large predators never eat smaller prey. Oi vey!

125. Son of Andoria - April 30, 2009

Where are the Andorians? There had better be at least one! None of the Starfleet brass seem to have blue skin. For that matter, none seem to have pigfaces either. Seriously, just give me one antenna and I would be happy. I love those blue bastards.

126. RDL - April 30, 2009

I’ve always preferred Nikon over canon…then again Hasselblad…nevermind…

This is a reboot, remake, resomething, based on somewhat thin and inconsistent back stories for characters created 40 years ago.

In 007, I believe it was M who somehow changed gender. And CIA friend of Bond, Felix managed to go from caucasian to African American.

I agree with those who raise an eyebrow (pun intended) over the fast track promotions Kirk & Company seem to get in this film…but, for what it is worth…

Captain is a title as well as a rank. As a rank, it’s the equivalent of a
“full-bird” colonel in the three other branches. As a title it can apply to anyone in command of a “wessel.” The commanding officer maybe a
lieutenant by rank, but is called captain by respect.

On a real life/cinema note…in the late 70s a movie about a WWII operation called, A Bridge Too Far, was criticized for casting a rather young Ryan O’Neal as real life Brigadier (one star) General James Gavin.
The critics joked that he looked way to young to be a general…which he did. The irony was, Gavin was one of the youngest generals in history, promoted to that rank I believe at the age of 36.

I realize that the age ranges for other characters such as Chekov don’t quite stand up to scrutiny. Prequel Obi-Wan looked about early 30-something, but looked 70-something in A New Hope. The time frame gap between the two shouldn’t have been more than 20 years, right?

In 1979 Klingons were suddenly physically bigger with forehead ridges. We lived with it. It was “explained” sort of…in an episode of Enterprise, but by then I really didn’t care.

On May 7th or 8th or whenever you see it…sit back and enjoy the ride.

127. Quatlo - April 30, 2009

Cinema related fact: The Oliver Stone film “JFK” (1991) employed lots of quick edits, blurred scene transitions and shaky cam. It won 2 Oscars (best Cinematography & best Film Editing).

128. The Beezer - April 30, 2009

@2 Jon

I would suspect that the darker grey uniforms are for the Academy Instructors. While similar to the United States Military Academy, which has seperate uniforms for cadets and instructors, the difference is that West Point profs wear the uniform of the US Army, as opposed to a distincitvie “professor” uniform.

In any case, I think it looks pretty sharp, and a realistic take on a “quasi-military” educational institution that Starfleet Academy is. Of course I have no proof of anything, I’m not an insider, but that seems to be a logical assumption

129. The Original Spock's Brain - April 30, 2009

On Friday, May 8, 2009, a group of us (fans and newbies) is going to see the it at the Edwards Marq*e IMAX, 7620 Katy Freeway, HOUSTON, TX (the 9:55 p.m. show on IMAX). You’re welcome to joins us.

I’ll have “Trekmovie: Houston Chapter” sign or something to help you find our group. You can contact me through my website.

130. T'Cal - April 30, 2009

This morning I won tickets on a radio show for a May 4th screening on Monday!!! I totally geeked!

131. T'Cal - April 30, 2009

I meant to type:

“This morning I won tickets on a radio show for a May 4th screening in Chicago!!! I totally geeked!”

but I totally geeked!

132. pinky - April 30, 2009

#56, 60 -

#74 is right … in Canada, just like with every single contest, we got shafted on the LOST title screen sequence. We didn’t even get the title this time. Screw.

Anybody who recorded, please post.

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