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		<title>By: DCI</title>
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		<dc:creator>DCI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a physiological note.  

The blood may not boil in a temperature/boiling sort of way, however your blood carries a lot of gasses in solution.  When you drop the surrounding pressure the gasses come out of solution.  Think of the CO2 coming out of solution when you open a soda that you shook up.  Something very similar would happen to your blood as it quickly turns to foam.

Maybe Bones was just trying to describe it in a way that Kirk would understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a physiological note.  </p>
<p>The blood may not boil in a temperature/boiling sort of way, however your blood carries a lot of gasses in solution.  When you drop the surrounding pressure the gasses come out of solution.  Think of the CO2 coming out of solution when you open a soda that you shook up.  Something very similar would happen to your blood as it quickly turns to foam.</p>
<p>Maybe Bones was just trying to describe it in a way that Kirk would understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because this movie has the depth of a baby pool. This article is so amazingly well written but sadly about such a terrible terrible movie. 

There were no geniuses creating this movie, only hacks. Take the time travel question in post 203. Perfectly reasonable yet totally untouched by the movie. Why is this? Because time travel was used as a very simplistic vehicle to serve two purposes. #1 is to provide a scary monster, the big bad future ship with big mean spikes on it and punk romulans with bad attitudes. A very lazy bad guy out of the bad guys 101 movies book. #2 is to provide another lazy tool for the reboot. Instead of trying to fit into the original cannon which would take actual intelligence and skill just wave a magic wand and say &quot;hey time travel, we don&#039;t have to fit into an already established cannon&quot;. Since they used time travel simply as a device to provide these two things they stopped there. They didn&#039;t care to ask what kinds of other questions time travel of this nature creates.

There are so many things horribly wrong with this movie that it would take many more articles. It&#039;s just so sad to see how many people actually enjoyed this mindless romp. This is why we are given movies like Transformers2 and GI Joe that have no intelligence at all to them. But then that was the point of this reboot, to make Star Trek likable to the new generation of young non-thinkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because this movie has the depth of a baby pool. This article is so amazingly well written but sadly about such a terrible terrible movie. </p>
<p>There were no geniuses creating this movie, only hacks. Take the time travel question in post 203. Perfectly reasonable yet totally untouched by the movie. Why is this? Because time travel was used as a very simplistic vehicle to serve two purposes. #1 is to provide a scary monster, the big bad future ship with big mean spikes on it and punk romulans with bad attitudes. A very lazy bad guy out of the bad guys 101 movies book. #2 is to provide another lazy tool for the reboot. Instead of trying to fit into the original cannon which would take actual intelligence and skill just wave a magic wand and say &#8220;hey time travel, we don&#8217;t have to fit into an already established cannon&#8221;. Since they used time travel simply as a device to provide these two things they stopped there. They didn&#8217;t care to ask what kinds of other questions time travel of this nature creates.</p>
<p>There are so many things horribly wrong with this movie that it would take many more articles. It&#8217;s just so sad to see how many people actually enjoyed this mindless romp. This is why we are given movies like Transformers2 and GI Joe that have no intelligence at all to them. But then that was the point of this reboot, to make Star Trek likable to the new generation of young non-thinkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t want to go into time travel related issues, but I have to state the most problematic one:

Nero returns 154 years in the past - why doesn&#039;t he go back to Romulus and tell them about the supernova? They would have 154 years to think of a solution or to evacuate!
Narada would also give Romulans a huge technological advantage - probably enough to defeat the Federation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t want to go into time travel related issues, but I have to state the most problematic one:</p>
<p>Nero returns 154 years in the past &#8211; why doesn&#8217;t he go back to Romulus and tell them about the supernova? They would have 154 years to think of a solution or to evacuate!<br />
Narada would also give Romulans a huge technological advantage &#8211; probably enough to defeat the Federation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! 
I enjoyed your scientific review of the movie :)

I have a couple of things to add, though (I didn&#039;t have time to read comments, sorry if there are duplicates):

Space jump
- why does the drill have spikes? Spikes would only make sense if the drill was physically drilling through the planet.
- why did they have to drill? Wouldn&#039;t it be enough to just launch the &quot;red matter&quot; towards the planet?

Delta Vega
- what are the odds of Kirk&#039;s pod dropping exactly on that in-the-middle-of-nowhere planet/moon and run right into Spock&#039;s cave? It&#039;s a classic &quot;Casablanca&quot; scene (&quot;Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine&quot;) :) 
- was Enterprise already on course to Earth? Did they make a detour to drop him off?
- a little off topic issue: the creature&#039;s anatomy is extremely weird and not at all appropriate - I would expect some kind of space-penguin or a walrus, not a side-headed mantis...

Supernova
- just one thing - speed of light! The blast wave cannot possibly travel faster than light. Since Milky way is 100 000 ly across, even if the star was in the (geometrically) best location (center of the galaxy), it would still take at least 50 000 years for it to destroy the entire galaxy. If Romulus was orbiting that star, the destruction would be very swift (couple of minutes) and nobody could even realize it in time (unless they predicted the explosion - like noticing the star has expanded several times :))). Otherwise, it would take years (if not hundreds or thousands) for it to even reach Romulus, so it&#039;s pretty hard to &quot;be late&quot;
p.s. in the &quot;trying to save Romulus&quot; scene, Spock is near the blast wave, and he can see it - therefore, it&#039;s much slower than c - so, we&#039;re talking tens or hundreds of years before it reaches the CLOSEST planetary system...Romulus could have been easily evacuated...

Titan
- another way to hide is just to be BEHIND the moon. The only way to detect them would be to search for some kind of EM reflection on the clouds of Saturn, and that sounds pretty improbable...Of course, emerging through Titan&#039;s clouds is much more cool :D

Nero&#039;s choice
- what happened with that black hole? Did it stay in the Solar System? I guess it would be a worse problem than Nero :D

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
I enjoyed your scientific review of the movie :)</p>
<p>I have a couple of things to add, though (I didn&#8217;t have time to read comments, sorry if there are duplicates):</p>
<p>Space jump<br />
- why does the drill have spikes? Spikes would only make sense if the drill was physically drilling through the planet.<br />
- why did they have to drill? Wouldn&#8217;t it be enough to just launch the &#8220;red matter&#8221; towards the planet?</p>
<p>Delta Vega<br />
- what are the odds of Kirk&#8217;s pod dropping exactly on that in-the-middle-of-nowhere planet/moon and run right into Spock&#8217;s cave? It&#8217;s a classic &#8220;Casablanca&#8221; scene (&#8221;Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine&#8221;) :)<br />
- was Enterprise already on course to Earth? Did they make a detour to drop him off?<br />
- a little off topic issue: the creature&#8217;s anatomy is extremely weird and not at all appropriate &#8211; I would expect some kind of space-penguin or a walrus, not a side-headed mantis&#8230;</p>
<p>Supernova<br />
- just one thing &#8211; speed of light! The blast wave cannot possibly travel faster than light. Since Milky way is 100 000 ly across, even if the star was in the (geometrically) best location (center of the galaxy), it would still take at least 50 000 years for it to destroy the entire galaxy. If Romulus was orbiting that star, the destruction would be very swift (couple of minutes) and nobody could even realize it in time (unless they predicted the explosion &#8211; like noticing the star has expanded several times :))). Otherwise, it would take years (if not hundreds or thousands) for it to even reach Romulus, so it&#8217;s pretty hard to &#8220;be late&#8221;<br />
p.s. in the &#8220;trying to save Romulus&#8221; scene, Spock is near the blast wave, and he can see it &#8211; therefore, it&#8217;s much slower than c &#8211; so, we&#8217;re talking tens or hundreds of years before it reaches the CLOSEST planetary system&#8230;Romulus could have been easily evacuated&#8230;</p>
<p>Titan<br />
- another way to hide is just to be BEHIND the moon. The only way to detect them would be to search for some kind of EM reflection on the clouds of Saturn, and that sounds pretty improbable&#8230;Of course, emerging through Titan&#8217;s clouds is much more cool :D</p>
<p>Nero&#8217;s choice<br />
- what happened with that black hole? Did it stay in the Solar System? I guess it would be a worse problem than Nero :D</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Sauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the Movie:
Has ANYBODY mentioned that the ALL IMPORTANT Space -Time Continuim was and IS, broken by actions in the movie ?
The “Parallel Universe” is “OFF”… The movie ends O F F …
The 2 Spock’s CANNOT Meet in/at the same time ? Remember ?
Why did Kirk “happen’ to land on a planet where Spock “Happens” to be stranded ?
There is a Federation Space Station on the Planet; Why thru all of these years has Spock not gone there Himself ?
Didn’t in “Real” Trek History, Ensign Kirk lead a Landing Party from the Farragut where he didn’t shoot at the “Murderous” gasious cloud while several members of the team died. Only after he is Promoted to Captain of Enterprise does he deal with that “Being” and his personal demons.
What are all of the more than slight “Hints” that something iss wrong. ? Old Spock smiling like a Billionaire at meeting his younger self? – Using Kirk’s famous line: “Trust Your Gut?” – And giving the Vulcan hand greeting and saying with a huge grin; Good Luck” ???
Why does the movie end with Elder Spock looking very ominously over the Promotion and crowd at Kirk’s promotion ? He almost turns full fledged into our eye frames with concerned look om his face… Why is nobody mentioning these and even more “hints’ that ’something’ is VERY WRONG in the ALL Important Timeline of TIME ?
Spock nearly tells us at the very end of the show!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the Movie:<br />
Has ANYBODY mentioned that the ALL IMPORTANT Space -Time Continuim was and IS, broken by actions in the movie ?<br />
The “Parallel Universe” is “OFF”… The movie ends O F F …<br />
The 2 Spock’s CANNOT Meet in/at the same time ? Remember ?<br />
Why did Kirk “happen’ to land on a planet where Spock “Happens” to be stranded ?<br />
There is a Federation Space Station on the Planet; Why thru all of these years has Spock not gone there Himself ?<br />
Didn’t in “Real” Trek History, Ensign Kirk lead a Landing Party from the Farragut where he didn’t shoot at the “Murderous” gasious cloud while several members of the team died. Only after he is Promoted to Captain of Enterprise does he deal with that “Being” and his personal demons.<br />
What are all of the more than slight “Hints” that something iss wrong. ? Old Spock smiling like a Billionaire at meeting his younger self? – Using Kirk’s famous line: “Trust Your Gut?” – And giving the Vulcan hand greeting and saying with a huge grin; Good Luck” ???<br />
Why does the movie end with Elder Spock looking very ominously over the Promotion and crowd at Kirk’s promotion ? He almost turns full fledged into our eye frames with concerned look om his face… Why is nobody mentioning these and even more “hints’ that ’something’ is VERY WRONG in the ALL Important Timeline of TIME ?<br />
Spock nearly tells us at the very end of the show!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is &quot;No, html ascii doesn&#039;t work.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is &#8220;No, html ascii doesn&#8217;t work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Kenneth (9 June), not 100% right about the hole to the core.  The planet is a sphere.  Even on a solid planet, in order to preserve an equal downward force on all edges of the hole the hole must be a cone shape (a very very slightly sloped cone) not a circular &quot;column&quot; because the &quot;straight down&quot; force towards the centre on the planet is actually NOT perpendicular.  At a depth, you start to get a little bit of the upper surface which has no support under it, the huge thickness of earth under that tiny piece which is not supported adds up to a huge amount of mass that is unsupported, thus it collapses into the hole (trying to make a cone you could say).  The deeper you go, the more falls into the hole ... as Phil stated.

Terrible diagram below (hope html ascii works)

                                              -              -
                                   -          - .          . -      .   -
                              -               -  .        .  -    .          -
                         -                    -  .        .  -  .                 -
                       -                      -   .      .   - .                    -
                     -                        -    .    .    -.                       -
                     -                        -     .  .    .-                        -
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Kenneth (9 June), not 100% right about the hole to the core.  The planet is a sphere.  Even on a solid planet, in order to preserve an equal downward force on all edges of the hole the hole must be a cone shape (a very very slightly sloped cone) not a circular &#8220;column&#8221; because the &#8220;straight down&#8221; force towards the centre on the planet is actually NOT perpendicular.  At a depth, you start to get a little bit of the upper surface which has no support under it, the huge thickness of earth under that tiny piece which is not supported adds up to a huge amount of mass that is unsupported, thus it collapses into the hole (trying to make a cone you could say).  The deeper you go, the more falls into the hole &#8230; as Phil stated.</p>
<p>Terrible diagram below (hope html ascii works)</p>
<p>                                              &#8211;              -<br />
                                   &#8211;          &#8211; .          . &#8211;      .   -<br />
                              &#8211;               &#8211;  .        .  &#8211;    .          -<br />
                         &#8211;                    &#8211;  .        .  &#8211;  .                 -<br />
                       &#8211;                      &#8211;   .      .   &#8211; .                    -<br />
                     &#8211;                        &#8211;    .    .    -.                       -<br />
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i liked the green chick at the beginning at the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i liked the green chick at the beginning at the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... why does the pressure from billions of cubic meters of rock have to close the hole?  

If the hole is perfectly spherical, then theoretically there is equal pressure on all sides of the hole, which would prevent collapse.  The material (rock or whatever) should hold up to it, since it was already under that kind of pressure before the whole was dug.

I assume the difference here is between a solid core and liquid core planet.  On our planet there is uneven force on the hole due to plate shift forces and other gravitational forces such as the moon.  If Vulcan doesn&#039;t have either of these, i say a hole to the center is possible.

Though if there is no fluid core movement, whats to create the field that stops the solar wind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; why does the pressure from billions of cubic meters of rock have to close the hole?  </p>
<p>If the hole is perfectly spherical, then theoretically there is equal pressure on all sides of the hole, which would prevent collapse.  The material (rock or whatever) should hold up to it, since it was already under that kind of pressure before the whole was dug.</p>
<p>I assume the difference here is between a solid core and liquid core planet.  On our planet there is uneven force on the hole due to plate shift forces and other gravitational forces such as the moon.  If Vulcan doesn&#8217;t have either of these, i say a hole to the center is possible.</p>
<p>Though if there is no fluid core movement, whats to create the field that stops the solar wind?</p>
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		<title>By: What I&#8217;m Reading: Things You Should Read, Too &#171; Fastidious</title>
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		<dc:creator>What I&#8217;m Reading: Things You Should Read, Too &#171; Fastidious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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