UPDATED: Star Trek’s Big 2nd Weekend $43M Domestic + 21M Foreign – Headed To $400M Global Total? May 17, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
According to industry estimates, JJ Abrams Star Trek movie will finish its second weekend with $43M in domestic sales, coming in a close second to Angels & Demons which racked up $48M. Trek actually beat A&D on Saturday ($18.3M v $17.8). Star Trek’s 2nd weekend drop of only 43% is impressing the industry, details below. [UPDATE: Foreign sales push Trek over $200M worldwide]
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Star Trek’s $43M weekend in the US
At $43M, Star Trek’s 2nd weekend is impressive showing the power of positive word of mouth. Even though Wolverine’s 1st weekend was bigger than Trek’s, its 2nd weekend was only $26.4M (a 69% drop). Trek’s second weekend drop of 43% is lower than many other recent big movies including last year’s hit Iron Man which dropped 48% in its second weekend (to $51.2M).
According to Box Office Mojo estimates, Star Trek will have brought in a cumulative total of $147.6M domestically by the end of Sunday. This means Star Trek will have brought in more money by its 2nd weekend than Superman Returns ($141.6) and Batman Begins ($122.5), and both of those films ended up with a bit over $200M by the time the left theaters. (see BOM comparison).
Here is what the box office watchers are saying about Star Trek…
"Star Trek" enjoyed an excellent hold in its second sesh at the domestic B.O., dropping just 46% to an estimated $43 million from $3,860 theaters for a cume of $147.6 million in its first 10 days.
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J.J. Abrams’ "Star Trek" is benefiting from strong word-of-mouth, evidenced by such a strong soph sesh. It beat "Angels" on Saturday, seeing a 56% uptick from Friday to Saturday.
The No. 2 movie was Paramount’s Star Trek which showed strong legs Saturday with $18.3M – better even than Angels & Demons take. That’s a remarkable hold as great word-of-mouth about the film kicked in and the studio said families turned out in a big way. Add in Friday’s $11.7M and Sunday’s estimate, and JJ Abrams’ reboot earned another big $43M, down only 43% from last week’s total. Its new cume is $147.6M.
Star Trek lost only 43% of it audience during its sophomore frame, which is a respectable drop during an already incredibly competitive summer season. Reaching the $200 million mark domestically is looking like a very real possibility for the franchise reboot.
UPDATE: Foreign data in – Paramount predicting Trek headed to $400M globally
Deadline Hollywood reports that Star Trek brought in a total of $21M from 57 foreign territories over the weekend. Last weekend Trek brought in $35.5 from 54 territories. The film has yet to open in a few markets, with the the biggest being Japan next weekend. This weekend’s foreign box office brings Trek’s overseas sales to $68M for a total global gross of $216M.
We don’t yet have detailed data on all the markets, but based on performance from last weekend, it appears the film is performing well in Trek’s traditional markets (English speaking countries and Germany), but not as well in other countries. Star Trek actually opened in 2nd or 3rd place in a number of foreign markets last weekend, including Spain, Italy, France and S. Korea.
It looks like in the end Star Trek will be a very strong performer in the US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Germany, with modest success in the rest of the world. It is likely that the new Star Trek will continue the pattern of past films in the franchise and make its lion’s share of money domestically. And apparently Paramount agrees. Deadline Hollywood reports:
Paramount is predicting that this latest Star Trek should do around $150 international and around $400M worldwide
We will have more info and analysis of Star Trek box office (foreign & domestic) sales later in the week.
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Yea but there’s steam valves in the engine room!!!
Just saw it for the 7th time last night, they said it out sold A&D, and it was sold out at all weekend showings at Imax!
And when they ejected the core 6 beer vats got whooshed into space. I just can’t get over how stupid the engine room is. Straight out of 1999, 250 years in the future my ass
Great! So chances for a new show rise. I’d love to see mroe movies but I’d love even more to see a new show.
Good looking :)
oh and yes, the engine room is silly. Old pipes and especially those “steam chambers” – complete nonsense. There is a warp core in there – old coal factory items do not fit! JJ should know better than that.
It should pass Wolverine in total money earned (domestically) by the end of this week, and should probably be #2 overall for the year by then as well.
If it doesn’t pass $200 million by the end of it’s 4th weekend, I’ll be surprised.
Congrats to the whole Star Trek team. You made an incredible movie and deserve the tremendous accolades (and $) that you‘re receiving. Looking forward to the next one.
Kirk loses every fight in this movie. That’s not my Kirk.
Does anyone know why the Romulan ship was able to defeat 47 Klingon ships? When the Kelvin rammed it, it was taken by the Klingons (so the writers say) So how could it later destroy 47 Klingon ships and wipe out the Federation ships in a matter of minutes. Did it have shields that could not be penetrated? Was’nt it a mining vessel? Wouldn’t that be like me taking a dump truck and wiping out 47 tanks? Not to mention in the prequel it defeated Worf and a fleet of modern Klingon ships.
Hopefully CBS/Paramount is excited about this news and is greenlighting the sequel already. Let’s get ready for the next voyage.
With a new engine room please.
9 – If you read countdown, you should already know the answer to the question you are asking
Oh for crying out loud, I can’t believe how many people are bitching about the engine room.
Get the drill ready…it’s time for sending some Red Matter to Germany…From Narada With Love :)
Seriously, I HATE being German…now more than ever…Only 170,000 people watched Trek on its second weekend…that’s well below NEM numers to this date…1.1 million saw Angels and Demons! Okay, the pope is German but that doesn’t explain Trek’s dive down from the already dismal 420,000 on its opening weekend…
I’ve done everything I could. I went to see it 9 times so far…I’ve taken about 40 people to see it. But the German numbers are still totally craptastic. Sorry folks, I really AM sorry…
I’m so glad there is the US and a president embracing the Final Frontier…really great numbers, US! Thank you so much for Star Trek…
Well…I gotta say I hate the engine room too.
I know a friend of mine wondered if they actually ran out of a budget.
What they need to do in the sequel is this:
Get a better engineering set. Screw consistency – I can’t get get used to that. One of the worst production decisions ever, a complete flagrant foul right there.
I think they need to put another female regular senior officer on the [i]Enterprise[/i]. Perhaps put her as head of security (without the “redshirt” gene if you get the idea) and make her a lieutenant commander. And don’t give her one of those silly looking cocktail dress uniforms (put her in pants). I’m no fan of the miniskirts as uniforms, but it was good to see quite a few female crewmembers in trousers. She doesn’t need to show off her legs, make her tough, and also make her a counterbalance to Kirk’s womanizing ways (Kirk’s going to have to know better than to treat her like a piece of flesh). Females can relate to this character, whle men can drool over Uhura’s legs and the other stuff in the background. Have your cake and eat it too.
Fair compromise eh?
@13…
Relax, Smike.
Did you see my thing in the BAMS today?
I know Kirk lost the fights in the movie, but hey he took on four guys in the first one and the rest where Vulcan/Romulan. He’ll do better in the next one after he’s gotten a bit more experience.
I’ve seen it four times so far, now I have to go back and try to find R2D2.
J.J. & Company I know you read this page… We need Khan for the next one. Maybe “The Rock” will play Khan he and Richaro have about the same chest
@8…
Hi Chris!
@16
“The Rock” as KHAN?!!!!
No…no…please no…
“The Rock” could never match Ricardo Montalbahn.
I wish the next movie won’t deal with him, but given what I’m hearing, the chances seem pretty favorable.
18 – what HAVE you been hearing, other than things fans have been saying? I’ve heard nothing official about what the next movie is going to be about, only things that people do and don’t want to see (and Kahn seems to be featured prominently on both of those lists)
Personally, I think essentially remaking Wrath of Kahn would be a mistake.
It’s nice to see the movie getting “universal appeal” and that everyone finally understands why we love Trek so much!
Just sitting in the audience for the 3rd time, it was strange to see all these “non-believers” watching the movie. Star Trek didn’t feel like it was just for me, but for everyone.
Nooooooooooooooo! Not “The Rock”…ridiculous…they MUST cast Javier Bardem as Khan…He would be our Heath Ledger and the second movie our TDK…
@18…
Well, Spock Prime is out there, helping the Vulcan survivors with the colony. He knows exactly where the Botany Bay is drifting through space…
No, I hope that XII will be about something new, not a rehashed Spaceseedtwok.
19 – well, I heard Orci and Kurtzman discussing Khan.
I agree, they shouldn’t do a re-make of Khan.
Also read my previous post at #14 at what else they should do.
Star Trek 12…Kirk and Spock…the Bromance Continues.
23 – well, “discussing” Kahn is rather vague. It’s clear that Wrath of Kahn is pretty much the pinnacle of what they’re trying to achieve, both as far as how good the movie is and what type of bad guy to have, so there are two reasons to invoke Kahn right there.
Khan is still out there in the Botany Bay, sure. But don’t forget V’ger, either.
Kirk losing fights…
I think that’s the point and totally intentional. This is a younger less experienced Kirk. He’s not afraid to get into a fight, but he does win them. The more experienced Kirk knows how to pick his fights better.
Would be neat if…
we saw Kirk and Spock playing chess together….
Mccoy and Kirk having a heart to heart in the Captain’s quarters, maybe after Kirk loses several red shirts on a mission…
Scotty finally snaps and orders a complete bow to stern redecorating of Engineering. Nimoy makes one final appearance, telling Scotty one more time how it’s really supposed to be done.
Ok, everybody is tired of the engine room arguments but let me tell you something, i’m a professional steam engineer and that’s NOT a Starship engine room. I won’t shut up until I hear a response from JJ and his team. By the way, most of the engineering problems in the first film can be changed NOW before it goes to DVD or pay per view with CGI. You can replace the rising stem steam stop and domestic water valves with high tech solenoid controlled valve gear, you can modify some of the tanks, you can create an intermix multi level chamber somewhere in the center of Engineering. You can modify the lights to look something not like GE industrial fixtures. You can do all this and more for a million dollars post production. If JJ or Orci really do read this they can e-mail me:
josepepper@yahoo.com This movie is much too good not to fix such a fundamental mistake
I think it would be great to see Khan from “Space Seed” or some other Trek storyline revisited, BUT I think that should be saved for the 3rd movie. Something original should be in the second.
Maybe fleet vs Klingon fleet, with Commander Kor at the helm!
@15
Hey thorsten! What stuff in BAMS are you talking about? Is there anything online?
It’s a huge victory for the Star Trek franchise yet people are bickering about the engine room? Wow.
29 – yes, everyone is tired of the engine room arguments…which is why you immediately started another engine room flame thread with the first comment?
Also, they aren’t going to change the engine room before it goes to DVD, so you can forget about that.
Next, what, exactly, is a Starship engine room SUPPOSED to look like? Have you seen one in real life before?
I just saw Star Trek again, I loved it more the second time! I am doing my part to bring her back alive!!!
In the next one, Spock’s Brain is stolen. When he gets it hooked back up, he goes on a journey of self discovery with his pals on the good ol NCC-1701..
Star Trek 12: Regarding Spock
I don’t think there is anything wrong with the engine room. in 2009 we still use steam pipes and the like as they used 100 years ago. Why would this suddenly not be needed? If you take a look at all teh other ST movies and shows you can see all the pipes hidden in crawl ways and behind walls. This new engine room is wide open without all the walls. I think it looks fine. It shows the size of the Enterprise. I think everything looked great with the design. But hey, that is just my opinion… I’ve been watching Trek for 35 years now.
#9
Well, the marketing here in Germany for this movie has no way been as good as in the US. I’ve seen one tv spot. That’s about it. I noticed the lack of exposure, when I asked my parents, wether they’ve seen the movie. They didn’t even know there was a new one out and mind you my mother called me last time and asked, wether I had seen Nemesis.
I’ve seen it twice in the cinema. Maybe I’ll go a third time, but for me 8,50 € (~11.45 $) is really a bit too much to pay for a movie I’ve already seen.
Maybe I’ll just wait for the DVD.
The engine room on the Enterprise more than likely has exposed pipes, vents. and other open areas for one simple reason: quick and easy access to repair any damaged sections.
@31…
A huge centerfold in todays issue with a bridge panorama explained with details, plus a lot of facts about the new E and about the movie…
To tell the masses about the movie ;))
Yeah, it seems the Trek haters and spammers are out in full force. In an obviously defensive position. It’s a shame that people can’t enjoy a good film without the baggage. And it’s a GOOD Trek film no less!
BTW, enough about the sequel!!! Some of you just don’t grasp that you’re childhood is over!! Khan, et al, have been done!! Can we move on??? With NEW stories you might enjoy just as well???
Plus you should look into the recent issue of “Digital Production” with my ILM story in it…
I NEED a new weekly series!!! Bring back the velour!!! And the laser pistols!!! And And have Bruce Campbell as Gary Seven guest every now and then, like Q…..
#9. Mahoney
NO SH%T!! This movie doesn’t make any sense. I can’t Imagine Seeing it “7″ times, and it getting any better. The truth is that In terms of Box Office success it did indeed Save Star Trek, However in terms of Substance, of which there isn’t any, it completely Fails.
…AND THE ODD NUMBERED CURSE, OF THE HUMAN ADVENTURE CONTINUES.
I just saw it for the third time so I have done my part. I am glad it had such a great 2nd weekend and is close to 150 mil. Not sure how it will fare against the Terminator next weekend. I think it will depend on the reviews. I am a big Terminator fan, but if the reviews are bad, I will wait for it to come out on cable and go see ST for a 4th time .
No new Trek series for a while, I say. Let Trek fans have a break for a while. In my opinion, Trek got way oversaturated a while back, and people got burned out on it. Besides, if they did do one, where would it air? The networks are a total loss. Unless we have something reality-based and/or slutty and smutty, it won’t air with what is currently on.
I have no problem with the open design, that’s fine and probably more reasonable in any engineering environment. Take another look at the scene where the “core” is ejected. You will see 6 large “tanks” from the brewery tossed into space.
Gimme a break
They could take it easy on the lens flares too. One interesting thing about STTMP is that the ship was well thought out and they even gave out “blueprints” during the opening week to lucky Trekkers. They have a good start here, why not keep it as professional and realistic as possible. Were supposed to believe this shit right? It’s not just 16 year old girls watching the movie
I dunno how the bleak Sperminator movie is gonna fare with the relatively light and fun Trek movie in its 3rd weekend.
That is an impressive second weekend, considering the competition. Terminator: Salvation should, of course, rule the Memorial Day weekend but I think people will continue to make their way in to see Star Trek for a few more weeks. The movie wasn’t perfect by a long shot, but I’m glad for Trek anyway.
@36…
Right, Paul.
To speak with JJ, Bob&Alex:
“Zerstörung durch Fortschritte der Technologie”
46 – maybe the tanks are used to gather heat generated by the warp cores to heat steam up to use for power? That would make sense and a secondary source of power from the warp cores.
ST:09 engine room blows, there is no good counter-argument. Just take the criticism, and fix it for next time.
To #43. The Last Maquis…
The movie made complete sense. What didn’t you understand about it? And how does it lack substance? The characters were well-developed and strong with plenty of emotion and heart.
Saw it in the IMAX in London yesterday and before I saw it there, I went to see Patrick Stewart in waiting for Godot……………..
Unreal, after all the years of watching the man on tv and films, to see him on stage, not 30 feet away…..absolutely magic.
Josh,
Your kidding right? A heat recovery system from matter anti-matter exposure to make hot water?
OMG
And honestly, the engine room didn’t bother me in the least. Hell, I wouldn’t have even given it a second thought until everyone started to whine about it. People whine about the engine room, they whine about the bridge, they whine about the Enterprise. Whatever happened to simply enjoying a perfectly entertaining and QUALITY film? Star Trek is back! We should all be basking in the glory, not nitpicking silly details.
People are pissed because there are water valves on a starship. I don’t get it.
So what?
H2O is useful stuff. You need it to survive. You can produce energy with it. You can utilize it to run machines. And it is also cleansing agent. There’s no evidence that replicators even exist in this alternate reality. And the only reason why the producers came up with the “replicators recycle waste” bit was to make sure they didn’t need to explain where the water came from and went (i.e. budgetary considerations).
I didn’t like the movie and I am an avid fan of Star Trek for 30 years. Watched every episode, every series and every movie hundreds of times. This is not Star Trek.
This is year one Kirk, and besides, he doesn’t lose every fight in the movie. Eventually he wins the fight with Spock by having him relieved of duty, he sends that one romulan off a platform by shooting him with his own gun. And as for the engine room, I’m fine with how it’s designed. The engine room is the room where they keep the engine running. There’s no necessity for it to look fancy.
Well, for folks that have spent their lives loving these things it’s important. The bridge is a bit overdone but seems modern and functional. The ships design is growing on me and I think it was well done, I sure hope they have blast shields for the viewscreen though.
The engine room is from the starship “Titanic” and it sucks
I think the sequal Should be a borg movie. Some how they the saw there tech on the narada and come to earth to destroy it. Canon doesn’t matter and now starfleet can have equal technology. Just an idea
@ #46
“Gimme a break
They could take it easy on the lens flares too. One interesting thing about STTMP is that the ship was well thought out and they even gave out “blueprints” during the opening week to lucky Trekkers. They have a good start here, why not keep it as professional and realistic as possible. Were supposed to believe this shit right? It’s not just 16 year old girls watching the movie”
Uh, no, apparently its 46 year old men trying to relive their childhood rather than enjoy a GOOD STAR TREK FILM. Total geekdom.
The geek: “Wouldn’t it be great to see a remake of TWOK! That would rock, man! It would only make about $25M at the boxoffice, but at least I would have My TreK!!”
And if you think about it, what does the engine compartment of a car look like? It’s all engine parts, usually nothing fancy, often dirty.
54 – and the problem with that is….what?
So what??? Uhh … because it looks stupid? Water tanks? 23rd Century? Steam? 23rd Century? Phasers, dilithium crystals, Interstellar travel? Brewery in the Engine Room?
I saw the film with my brother again today. We caught a 10:10am showing and the theater was 1/3 to 1/2 full, a pretty strong turnout given the early show time and the fact that Trek has been playing for 10 days. The audience was pretty mixed as well with everything from pre-teens to seniors (many of whom clapped at every Trek moment).
As for the film itself, it holds up nicely. Both my brother and I enjoyed the second viewing just as much as the first (my bro even confessing that he got choked up at the meeting of the Spocks) and we were able to pick up more easter eggs (still didn’t see R2D2). Still not wild about the engine room design – its the only time I’m taken out of the experience and I hope TPTB tweak it for the next film – but that’s a minor quibble.
Paramount actually underestimated last weekend’s box office and if the screen I saw it at is anything to go by I wouldn’t be surprised if the final numbers for this weekend track up from the original estimates as well.
64 – people don’t need water in the 23rd century? They don’t need sewage recycling in the 23rd century? etc. etc.
To #57. Gee,
How was STAR TREK not “Star Trek”? I think this movie was more “Star Trek” than Voyager, Enterprise, DS9, or the last few Next Gen movies. If anything, I’d say it was more PURE Trek than anything we’ve seen since Star Trek VI. It had Leonard Nimoy plus the original seven characters.
To me, Star Trek is Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. And it had all three!
59 – that’s an ironic comment since I seem to remember somewhere Abrams saying that he used Titanic’s engine room as the base model for the Enterprise’s engine room.
Course hot rods have neat, clean engine compartments. But it seems to me that Starfleet didn’t think it was necessary to make the engine room look fancy. I personally thing the engine room, as well as the rest of the ship, looks cool.
BTW, enough already about sequels!! The old stories are just that: OLD. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Can we give these guys a chance to give us something NEW?
@ 39
Thanks thorsten! Will check it out!
An engine room is meant to be FUNCTIONAL, not fashionable.
HELLO FRIENDS! … IS GOOD TO SEE COMMENTS FROM Trekkers, ASI ME GUSTA MAS BEFORE Trekkie. IN FACT I consider myself a TREKKER EEJ ..
MUCH COULD TALK AND TALK OF STAR TREK AND BUT I will focus the film, which on Thursday 3 TIMES AND THE VI will be much more, as much as possible.
THE PELUCILA is very good, then explain the “why”, but … COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IF ??… CLARO COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT BUT IT ALSO HAS ITS EXPLANATION.
THE MOVIE IS VERY GOOD BECAUSE HISTORY IS INTERESTING, BUT INTERESTING CLASICA somewhat, very good dialogue, TICKS THAT WE BOTH LIKE TO Trekkers and are not difficult to understand for those who do not KNOW ANYTHING BUT THE SAGA … even ALGO MAS in order to enjoy it is good to know.
WHY IS ALSO VERY GOOD ACTORS ARE REALLY STRESS AND EVEN THE GUYS WHO HAVE PAPERS BUT ALL … I really like everybody had the time, Kirk and Spock Obvious PRIMARILY BUT .. I love MCCOY, SCOTTY … ALL. . REALLY ALL.
It was really insane, and VERY HARD TO SEE Spock and Uhura kiss THE RESPONSE OF THE JAAJAJ .. .. ESO ME WELL FOR IMPACT.
LO DE CHECOV really fun, SOMETIMES, BUT 17 YEARS OF THE Boy must be given merit. Very funny WAYS TO TALK .. JAAJA.
Sulu also took the time and I kept a good impression, is a character to develop. Many people like the characters who DO MARTIAL ARTS, ETC .. ETC .. THAT DRAG PEOPLE.
Uhura VERY WELL, besides being beautiful, the matter was very GOOD Spock. IN ADDITION TO SHOW HOW SHE IS AS OFFICIAL Starfleet, SHOWS YOU THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO HER AS A WOMAN … SEE ALSO DRAG PEOPLE, mainly women.
A MACCOY is to be applauded, it was .. that all I wanted to see .. and fun at the same time.
WAS SOME DOUBTS ABOUT CHRIS PINE AS KIRK, BUT REALLY “ME SACO EL SOMBRERO” really was … .. WAS THE CAPTAIN KIRK GESTURING … … GAZES ATTITUDES OF PHYSICAL William Shatner doing the character. REALLY LIKE TREKKER
For over 25 years, ARGENTINA AND I have one criticism to make it VERY WELL AND THE CHARACTER OF THE WAY THAT WE Face I love.
Zachary Quinto is fantastic !!… IS A GREAT … Spock Spock IS IN FACT ..! … AND FOR THE BENEFIT IF A PHYSICAL SIMILARITY Leonard Nimoy, QUIZAS WAS a bit more “humanizing” of what would have liked to see ANYTHING BUT NO REST FOR YOU FOR THIS STORY THAT WAS VERY ATTRACTIVE.
ALREADY DONE .. a very very difficult, let us ADDITION IN THE SKIN OF THE ACTOR THAT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING UNLESS YOU HAVE A FACE TO Leonard Nimoy, BUT NOTE THAT IS VERY GOOD TO STUDY THE CHARACTER AND THE RESULT WAS A SIGHT.
SCOTTY WAS REALLY GOOD AND FUN !!… Simon Pegg DEMONSTRATE THE CHARACTER YOU WANT, WE HAVE A LOT AND IF YOU DO WELL appeared in half of the film, COHERENT FOR HISTORY WAS REALLY VERY FUN WITH TYPICAL TREK HUMOR. ALSO WAS ALWAYS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, ABSOLUTELY.
LO DE BANA AS NERO IS GOOD AT THIS LEVEL … … THERE IS A WELL MADE SOME KHAN IN CHARACTER … I like … I would also like to see a bit more .. but it is a good YELLS VILLANO.MUY GOOD WHEN AND SAYS “FIRE everthing” or something … there 10 points.
THE EFFECTS ARE REALLY GOOD QUALITY AND IN THE COLORS IN THE DETAILS. Perhaps I would have liked to see SCENES WITH MORE VESSELS IN ACTION. Narada SHIPS KLINGON AGAINST AS THE STORY ACCOUNT OR MORE OF THE FEDERATION SHIPS NERO stops closer to the ground.
I think this LO would have to take into account is much more striking … sometimes … only sometimes … SEE THE ENTERPRISE WITH OTHER VESSELS IN A BATTLE AGAINST AN ENEMY AND NOT JUST OVER TWO VESSELS disparities. At least in some scenes.
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE FIRST FILM TO THE TITLE “STAR TREK” .. EMPHASIZES action, the effects of those moments and players … THE INDIAN ACTOR THAT MADE OF THE CUBAN CAPTAIN ROBAU USS KELVIN AND THE MAKING OF ACTOR GEORGE KIRK (FATHER OF JAMES KIRK), as well as ACTRIS THE MAKING OF THE BREAST.
REALLY MUCH Drama, action and excitement SCENES AT THE END OF THOSE … very well realized.
And finally, I do not think I forgot all, I commend him for JJ Abrahams CHALLENGE THAT WAS AGAINST HIM.
MAKE A FILM FOR STAR TREK IS NOT EASY AND NOTHING MORE IN THE STATE THAT WAS THE FRANCHISE.
BACK TO Reimaginamos INDIVIDUALS WITH A HISTORY AND EVERYTHING IS FOR STAR TREK FANS IN THE USA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. Millions of people, like me, have continued to everything which is called STAR TREK, ENTERPRISE, KIRK, SPOCK For decades is daunting for any professional.
DIRECTORS IS NOT MUCH YOU HAVE ANIMATED JJ AND I THINK THAT IS A VERY CREATIVE TYPE, Talent, courageous and bold. This was with this film.
LOOKING AND FINDING A BALANCE IN SUBMITTING A FILM FOR Trekkers, NOBODY CAN SAY THAT THE FILM IS NOT STAR TREK, and also a GREAT ENTERTAINMENT FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FANS OF THE SAGA well know that this is a business.
I think that if some had doubts about what JJ confessed FANS OF STAR WARS .. WHAT WE COST YOU MORE THAN A FAN ORTHODOX him crucified, with the film dissipate these doubts.
MORE .. I think it’s more TREKKER many of us … I think there were a LOT ANTIMARKETING AND MARKETING, MARKETING ultimately say that it was FAN OF STAR WARS AND MUCH that he was not aware of the program and you do not HOT. But apparently EFFECTIVE RISK.
TYPE is much more than a film director, gets into the business and WHAT DO YOU SELL … SELL SUPO to the film. Which gives a dual advantage, just being in a state moribund.
SPECIAL MENTION AND EMOTIONAL FOR YOUR ETERNAL AND Leonard Nimoy and legendary Spock. Pure emotion VERLO I am … I think that is beyond any analysis, is intact AS OLD AS ACTOR AND PERSON. ENOUGH TO SEE SOME RECENT INTERVIEW Lucid AND THE BODY OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSED AS A 77 YEAR … FASCINATING.
Live up to young actors, even though I have not the experience of El … etc, is not easy and You can be at a disadvantage or is down, but in this case none of that.
LIVE LONG AND PROSPER FOR YOU MR. Nimoy …..
MENTION THE OTHER IS FOR MUSIC, ARE YOU GENIUS Giacchino, striking bearable .. .. WITH GOD AND AT THE SAME TIME MODERN AND PRESENT. BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF MUSIC AND THE ORIGINAL MUSIC FROM THE MOVIES THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE IT WHEN RESERVE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING THAT MADE THE BEST FOR THIS.
SERA FOR THE UPCOMING FILMS, WHICH IS ALSO JUST RENEWED THE NEED MUSIC .. I think that also was positive.
IF YOU COULD … I DO HAVE AN OBSERVER STATUS WITH THE THEME musicalized “ENTERPRISIN YOUNG MEN” THE PART THAT TAKES THE COMMAND AFTER fighting with Spock and VA WALKING TO SIT IN THE CHAIR. HAS BEEN A TIME TO JUST HAVE SOME OF YOUR MUSIC, BUT IT IS ONLY AT THAT DETAIL.
As I said BEFORE AND MUCH .. THE MOVIE COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT BECAUSE JJ did not put “all the meat on the grill … so loved by MANY TICKS AND CHARACTERS ARE WE OUT …
ESO will see in the next film, there will be no doubt, maybe … YOU HAVE TO GO TO FIND THE ORIGINAL Captain Kirk (William Shatner) who dies BEFORE THE NEXUS ???…. .. QUIEN DICE QUE ME HARE MESES LO wrote in FACEBOOK ..
JJ Abrahams QUIZAS CAN GET WITH A STAR TREK “WHERE NO MAN HAS NEVER ARRIVED” EJEJE … FOR NOW … WILL WARP SPEED BY 8 !!…
@1, 3, 54, 59, etc: I honestly can’t tell if you’re joking or not. If you aren’t; oh dear…
I liked Engineering, myself. Mostly. I liked the scale of it and the industrial feel, but in my heart of hearts, I would have like to see a big glowy blue thing in the centre of the room that went “rumble”. :)
The main point is, it’s not what the engine room set or the bridge set or whatever looks like, it’s the people inside the set that count. And they were fantastic.
Oh yeah, and $200 million here we come, baby!
To correctly quote a misguided poster: ST:09 engine room RULES, there is no good counter-argument. Just IGNORE the criticism, and LEAVE IT THE SAME for next time.
Also, no remakes of old stories. Try something new. Good lord, it’s fans that say crap like that that killed Trek in the first place. Thank God for JJ.
Jeez, could people get over the engineering section already? josepepper’s handwringing about the engineering section is about as tedious as that guy’s YouTube video freaking out about the San Francisco skyline was.
Anyway, I saw it for the third time and really enjoyed it. Typically, with later Trek movies, I watch them about three times (Nemesis and Insurrection excluded–twice was far more than enough)–the third time is usually free of my Trekkie nitpicking and whinging and I get to see if I can just enjoy the movie. This one? Wow. I love it. I’d put this one between Search for Spock and Voyage Home in my list of favorites (Wrath of Khan–of course–and Undiscovered Country are still tops)
I’m a regular here on TM, a Trek fan for some 30 of my 44 years, and I thought this franchise reboot *rocked*.
Yes, it was different.
Yes, it was great. I enjoyed it immensely and hope I can sneak in a third viewing this summer.
No, it wasn’t perfect. And recognizing that doesn’t compel me to turn in my fan card, nor turn me into a nitpicker. It makes me somemone mature enough to simultaneously enjoy a movie, and understand its flaws.
As far as the comments go, understand this: Making constructive commentary is part of enjoying or appreciating any form of enterainment or art. I can identify the imperfections and live with them without diminishing my appreciation or opinion of the movie.
The Enterprise engine room isn’t bad just because it had pipes, but because its *inconsistent* with the rest of the ship. Abrams paid meticulous attention to the bridge, the exterior design, but then chose to film Engineering interiors in some sort of manufacturing plant? Its a simple production oversight that didn’t diminish the movie, but I feel it is an entirely legitimate criticism.
Personally, I believe Paramount in general and Abrams in particular opted not to build extensive interiors for this Trek reboot because no one was any too sure how it was going to be received. Recall, also, that sickbay was a pretty plain-vanilla setpiece as well; bottom line, for the purposes of this movie, the emphasis was on the Enterprise exterior and the bridge. A sequel could (and probably will) see a more fully developed engineering area.
(And if they dialed down the lighting on the bridge by about 25%, that’d be fine with me, too…. )
But if I only got to change *one* thing in this movie, you know what it’d be? Not even Engineering, but the musical score. Michael Giacchino’s score was a genuine disappointment.
Believe it or not, just because I find these one or two things I would have done differently doesn’t make me think the movie didn’t rock the house!!!
And they can just start that sequel any day now as far as I’m concerned. A Trek movie that’s made $147M in ten days of release? Unbelievable.
These are the things I liked the best.
1) Chris Pine- Perfect casting. Also a talented actor.
2) Karl Urban- Really caught the spirit of McCoy.
3) Bruce Greenwood- Always a good actor and a good father figure for the characters.
4) Leonard Nimoy- I liked him in this film even if it would have been great if he had had more screen time.
5) Chris Hemsworth- I thought he was really good, even though he only had an almost cameo at the beginning of the film.
6) The external design of the new Enterprise.
These are the things I liked the least.
1) The engine room was totally out of place if it was to be in the 23rd century.
2) The bridge, like others have already said a million times, realllllly looked like an Apple store.
3) Obviously too many lens flares.
4) Nero reminded me too much of Shinzon in Star Trek Nemesis, and I thought Nemesis was terrible.
5) Scotty’s alien friend
6) Everyone will disagree with what I am about to say, but I didn’t like Zachary Quinto as Spock. I didn’t like his interpretation, how he moved, and especially how he talked. He didn’t capture the spirit of Spock. He is perfect in his part in Heros but not in this role.
I really enjoyed the movie and hope it blows up at the box office.
The sequel should be involved about how the klingons react to their ships being destroyed by the “Romulans.” . Let there be a war brewing between the empires and the Enterprise trying to broker a truce between them. That could be an epic plot. The Enterprise saving the galaxy from an intergalactic war, only to find itself caught in between the middle. And with Ambassador Spock as the ultimate mediator! New adventures! New stories to tell!
#79
I agree with you on spock, my review on the main review page covers what i thought!
#76
Why not make it better ? Why not make it a real set, that looks cool ? Or make it all CGI ? Something that says: “This is the powerful beating heart of a starship” instead of “hmm, that pipe’s a bit leaky”. I mean this obviously was done due to budget limits. Don’t tell me, you wouldn’t be more impressed by a massive warp core with plasma conduits in the same style, than “random pipe and valve no. 78″. We didn’t actually see any engine, we just saw pipes.
Save the whales up front old spock.
@9
I agree. I was wondering why a mining ship was more powerful than a warship… in any timeline.
I, for one, would be happy to get over the engineering section IF there was some explanation for why it was the way it was other than the set designer thought it would look cool. Designs for SF films are – at their best – a rational mixture of functionality and attractiveness. I just rewatched ST:TMP (Director’s Cut) with the commentary on and it was very interesting hearing how hard everyone worked on the thought BEHIND the sets we saw. Not just how they looked. I don’t yet know if that happened in this film.
(Plus they used aluminum foil in the camera lens in TMP for enhanced lens flare during some of the SFX in that movie too!)
What I think many people are afraid of is Trek devolving into “what looks interesting” rather than “what makes some sense”. For once it no longer makes sense it ceases to be science fiction and becomes . . . something else. It almost got there with ST:TWOK with the very low tech photon torpedo room, but as fans we forgave the filmmakers and we didn’t have to worry about it again.
For the moment this film is still recognizably Trek. I hope future films remain so.
To #80 USS TRINOMA NCC-0278…
Not a bad idea for a sequel. The destruction of those 47 (there’s that number again) Klingon ships would be a great springboard for the sequel’s storyline.
went to see it for the second 2nd time here in Great Britain and the cinema tonight was 3 quarters full.
its looking good for 200 million i recon.
Greg UK
I saw it for a second time this afternoon with a friend who knew very little about Trek. She actually invited me to come see it with her. When I went the first time, I went with Trekkies, so I didn’t really get to experience the film with virgin eyes, but this time I kind of tapped into my friend and let myself experience the movie through her eyes and leach off of her emotional reactions. It was fascinating. I enjoyed the movie so much more than I did the first time. Sure, there are still some scientific oddities, the engine room was still ridiculous, and there wasn’t enough back story about Nero…my friend wanted to know more about him for sure…and she had been really curious about these Klingons she was always hearing about.
In any case…a very different experience and I hope the creative team can build on what they’ve created this time and truly knock the next film out of the park.
The engine room reminds me of the one on the current Big-E (CVN 65)… which I might add, is 50 years OLD. :) That being said, it was the only part of the movie that really didn’t work for me.
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Former USS Enterprise (CVN-65) Nuclear Electrician
I know, we’ve already been there, but what about Talos IV? A lot more we could learn about the place. Also would be ideal to have our characters affected by the Talosians and through their illusions, we might find out more on how they tick.,
Speaking of Klingons, was this movie the first time the D-7 battlecruiser was referred to as a “Warbird”?
Any one got figures as to how much the movie has made in Canada?
#81
This is the real Spock. Half Human/half Vulcan. YOUNG. Conflicted by emotion vs. logic. And still trying to find himself. It’s an aspect of Spock that has never been fully explored. I love that! And I look forward to how it is played out.
#82
The engine room of a “real” starship capable of warp drive would be immense, and not full of cool glowing things and neon lights and pretty interior design. It’s the guts of a Starship. It wouldn’t be a pretty place.
Oh lord… another thread.. and it turns into anal twats going on about what they didn’t like… for god’s sake stfu about the engine room…
honestly we need a proper Forum. These kind of discussions can be confined to single thread then.
Up until the 14th Its made 2.9 million in Canada. Not bad
The Engine Room didn’t bother me because it wasn’t a command terminal, like TOS and it didn’t show a Warp Core, like subsequent iterations. Presumably they’ll show something like that in the future. The spot where Scotty initiates the warp core dump is not the command terminal–no way.
But Uhura’s station when confronted by big handed Kirk smacked of production shortcut, rather than elegant production design.
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No Khan in Star Trek II. Don’t shoot your wad too early, gentlemen!
It already hit $200 million! Its at $216 worldwide after making another $21 million:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/star-trek-in-orbit-216m-worldwide/
In Star Trek 12, there will be a single wooden paneled door with a shiny yellow door knob–much like one leading to the interior of a broom closet. On the front of this door will be a laminated sign indicating ‘Engine Room: Be sure to have protective headwear and eyewear before entering.’
I am not a frequent commenter, but I do read the site daily and love it.
With that said, please Mr. Orci and company, please resist the urge to rehash the existing Trek films such as Khan. Also, please don’t convolute the film with a complex means of bringing Kirk into the film. Please look for ways for the franchise to return to “boldly going where no one has gone before” not boldly going where we’ve been before again. This was a wonderful movie and I’m worried that any stunt such as this might make for a lackluster followup.
#82 and #85
Amen and thank you
#90 .. I know people have been up in arms about this before… and I’ve never really looked into it. But my impression is that the Romulans have the Warbird and the Klingons use a Bird of Prey ? Or what’s the issue with “warbird” reference?
I’ve seen it three times since 5/7/09 and will see it again. I wanna see r2d2, too. I’ve been given grief by my two closest buddies for over a year while waiting for the movie to hit the big screen. They are just too hip to like Star Trek…may not even admit that they LIKE it when they see it but we just have to keep converting the non-believers, right?!
Obviously it has great WOM to keep the numbers up for the second weekend and non-believers are enjoying the ride…regardless of the damn engine room whining! Live long and prosper!
I saw the movie five times, and it was fantastic each time.
Pine: Exceptional. He really stole the show for me. Excellent choice
Quinto: Very good also.
The rest of the cast was perfect, and I like how each of the characters were intelligent and contributed to the story. I especially liked Captain Pike and the opening scenes, but really every single scene is great. The chemistry between Pine and Quinto was equally fantastic, and I can picture Kirk and Spock becoming friends.
As for Kirk losing all the fights, you should remember one thing. Kirk never took on a fight where he was evenly matched. In the bar, it was four against one. On the bridge, it was three against one. He also was not equally matched against the two Romulans on the drill deck, since Romulans are stronger than humans (as are Vulcans), but Kirk still managed to keep the Romulans at bay until Sulu landed. Kirk is kick ass, and at least when he picks a fight, it isn’t a one on one fight with the a human. It’s either four against one or it’s Romulans and Vulcans. He’s no whimp that’s for sure.
Look bitching about this stuff is wonderful and better yet if these folks actually read it. There’s nothing better than arguing Trek minutia on a Sunday afternoon. It’s like going to church and eating a big Turkey dinner…..
Oh so satisfying
#92
It doesn’t have to have blinking lights, just something that makes it clear: THIS IS THE ******* ENGINE – not some random piece of plumbing.
I for one, want Scotty to stand in front of something, that looks like a warp engine.
#80
I had similar thoughts. Just click on my name and you can read them :)
@ #79
“Nero reminded me too much of Shinzon in Star Trek Nemesis, and I thought Nemesis was terrible.”
Nemesis was terrible, and so was Shinzon, but really this movie just kills almost all other Star Trek movies in every aspect. There are a couple movies you could argue you like more because they feature the originals, but lets get real. Only one of the TNG novies was any good. One you’d actually watch more than once (unless you are a diehard like me). I thought Shinzon was a b1tch, and at least Nero doesn’t cry blood or whatever.
“The bridge, like others have already said a million times, realllllly looked like an Apple store.”
I tend to like the high-tech look of the bridge. Look at the bridge set in TMP. That is not my vision of what a flagship piece of Starfleet equipment would looklike on the inside. On the outside that Enterprise looked sweet, but dull and drab on the inside.
“Everyone will disagree with what I am about to say, but I didn’t like Zachary Quinto as Spock. I didn’t like his interpretation, how he moved, and especially how he talked. He didn’t capture the spirit of Spock. He is perfect in his part in Heros but not in this role.”
It did seem a bit awkwark at times huh? But I thought he played a good “Spock with inner conflict”, it just wasn’t Nimoy’s Spock.
It also reached #1 in Holland… (and is #2 behind Angels & Demons this week)
I gave it a 7 out of 10. It’s very enjoyable but the plot has a lot of serious issues, as does other aspects.
I know someone who has seen naval vessels’ interiors saying that the Enterprise engineering is extremely out of place. I do agree that some of the other ones seemed a bit too luxurious, but this was the wrong way to go. You can’t defend this, the best you can do is make excuses for it.
Now, I don’t mind the iBridge as much as others do. It could do without some of those tacky details, but I didn’t think it was that bad. They could lose the lamps and the barcode readers, but it’s decent otherwise.
Like I say, what they need to do for the next movie is construct more believable engineering interiors. Screw consistency in this matter.
Furthermore, I will say this again, they need another senior female crewmmeber, possibly in charge of security issues, and give her a rank of lieutenant commander. And PLEASE don’t put her in one of those wimpy looking miniskirts (she should not be thought of from the audience as a cheap piece of flesh – the catsuits that 7 of 9 and T’Pol wore really undermined their characters). Give her trousers, and make her “immune” to Kirk’s charm – she won’t take any advances from him. I think the women got the short end of the stick in this movie, and it does take a step back. I know for Abrams it might wreck the dynamic, but so what? They trashed Vulcan, they romantically put Spock and Uhura together. Why not? This way, you can still please the audience by keeping Uhura in one of those cocktail dresses as is a good deal of background crewmembers, while females can relate to this new crewmember. It’s a perfect idea and a match made in heaven. I’d like to see the miniskirts gone altogether in the next movie, but this option I present here allows Paramount to “have their cake and eat it too.”
This is my full review by the way, inspired by Chuck Sonnenberg aka sfdebris:
http://www.portal.startreklexington.net/index.php?topic=291.msg1356;topicseen#new
hmmm….seems like a lot of pipes in this engineering photo from TOS,
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Constitution_original_engineering2.jpg
Another EASTER EGG !!!….
In the transporter room – the glass sheild that sits in front of the transporter console has M-113 written on it…. seen as 113 – M on the glass shield facing the tranporter pad…
A reference to the first brodcast episode of TOS….”The Man Trap” !!!
Another great reference is the destroyed fleet of federation ships and the enterprise flying through the debris, finally encountering the enemy ship…The Best of Both Worlds Part 2 – Enterprise D flying through the debris of the destroyed star fleet armada….eventually meeting up with the Borg Cube…
Sequel Idea…Pike mentions that the majority of the star fleet is in Laurentian System….who or what is it engaging…the Klingons ??? Maybe the sequel or a “canon” comic or novel will expand upon that event…perhaps the next film….
Great news for Star trek!
Eh, you guys can complain all you want, but I bet you love the engine room and all that. You just want to act like you don’t like something because you think it makes you look cool. Which is completely illogical.
Hm. So here’s the deal with the “warbirds”.
In Enterprise, an error by the writers (as Brannon Braga calls it) allowed a Vulcan diplomat to warn of the potential for three klingon “warbirds” to attack Earth if Earth upset the Empire. I suggest this error comes from either 1) a lack of contact with klingons that leads knowledge at this time to be suspicious in its accuracy, or 2) the Vulcans, with their long-standing conflicts with the Romulans, see ships of a certain strength and ferocity all as “warbirds”, just as we on Earth might call many different kinds of vessels “battleships”. In this case, it would just be a word that is historically significant to them, used to explain something quickly but imprecisely.
The use of the term “warbird” again in the simulator in STXI seems to suggest contact has not progressed as much as we thought it might since Enterprise. Potentially, the incident with the radical Romulan vessel against the Kelvin forced the Federation to focus more on Romulan issues. And since the Klingons captured the vessel, they were more interested in Romulans as well, than in clashing with the Federation. A lack of advanced knowledge about Klingon vessels would have resulted.
Sound okay?
#112: Exactly
Anyone know the budget for the new Star Trek film?
#52. The Gorn Identity
Hey. Well to Me it seemed like there was a Lack of Exposition as far as the Story/Back Story went, and I thought that the Characters, Some of which I really Liked, were under developed. I ‘m sure It was all to give the Movie a faster pace, but I felt that it suffered because of that.
# 109
A Pipe is a conduit that can move a fluid, a gas or high energy plasma, I have no problem with “pipes” Even with the extremely limited budget they had on STTOS they had a more futuristic engine room. Not a steam valve (rising stem gate or globe) in sight
Seen the film 5 times now and still tear up everytime at the beginning when George Kirk hears little James T crying then rams the Kelvin into the Narada and saves his wife. What a moving sequence with the music and FX. Finally saw the tribble on Scotty’s desk but still have no idea where R2D2 is. I still plan on seeing it a few more times but everytime I’ve seen it in the theatre it was packed and people enjoyed it. Way to go Star Trek! I love when Kirk’s eating the apple during the Kobayashi Maru test and is eating an apple in TWOK in the Genisis cave describing how he beat the test. Awesome!
Pipes are OK, but they ahve to be done in a futuristic way. ST1-2 did it well as did Star Trek VI (the pipes in the corridor ceiling).
#52. You have an hour and a half to develop a fast-paced story to bring in both fans and more importantly non-fans. That does not leave time for a fully developed back story for all characters….the ones who are important to the francise are the ones to focus on for this move: KIrk and Spock. Hopefully there will be many more movies to come that will allow us to learn more about the SECONDARY characters.
Let’s do some math. ST:TMP made $82,258,456 in 1979-1980. What was the average ticket price/ Maybe $3.50? That’s 23,502,416 tickets sold. Today’s average price ticket has to be around $8.50. Multiplying ST:TMP tickets sales By $8.50 = $199,770,536. So Star Trek 2009 needs to break the $200,000,000 mark to “beat” the first Star Trek movie (and probably will easily). With word of mouth and strong momentum, there’s no reason to believe this movie won’t be the most popular in the series by far!
Star Trek Lives!
Posters defending the engine room seem to feel the need to defend the idea that the place have pipes and look functional. Pipes and functionality are fine if handled well but the room shouldn’t, in my opinion, look so much like a brewery. We’re talking about machinery that can move a starship through space faster than light. It should look at least a little, you know, cool, and a little beyond us, too.
Or even better, how about 6 movies and then a series that gives us a 2 hour TV Movie every month!!!! OMG would that be great or what
Talk about time for character development and all the sets would be built
#32. The Gorn Identity – May 17, 2009
“It’s a huge victory for the Star Trek franchise yet people are bickering about the engine room? Wow.”
I agree, its a complete farce, some people are never happy, I bet JJ and co are sitting thinking to themselves, ‘why did we even bother’. I also think its superb how many ‘Experts’ there are out there of 23rd century engineering rooms..
#78. Author of “The Vulcan Neck Pinch for Fathers” – May 17, 2009
“I’m a regular here on TM, a Trek fan for some 30 of my 44 years, and I thought this franchise reboot *rocked*.”
I agree! bring on the sequel!!!
Well done to everyone involved in the production of Star Trek. The franchise is reborn!
Also thanks to AP and co for this brilliant site!
Spectacular reboot overall — time to get over the engineering griping and enjoy the ride.
In the sequel, how about actually going out and exploring a strange new world? Let’s forget the Khan and V’ger rehash — get back to the mission, a new one at that!
I sure as hell didn’t see any of this stuff:
The primary source of power utilized in Federation starships is provided by the enormous amount of output energy produced by a controlled matter-antimatter reaction. This reaction typically occurs within the intermix chamber of a warp core, and is contained by a magnetic containment field. This reaction produces a considerable amount of heat energy in addition to the kinetic energy that is used by the vessel’s propulsion system. This heat is supplanted by a plasma coolant system that is situated adjacent to the intermix chamber. The loss of coolant will inevitably result in the overheating and destruction of the intermix chamber, causing a warp core breach
Too many people seem to wish they had everything exactly their way in this movie… and seem to be strangely ignorant of the facts that (a) they were not consulted on the film (and will not be consulted on the next one) and (b) in the court of movie-goer opinion, the film is rocking and thus validating the choices that JJ and crew made.
Perhaps they fear that critical and popular acceptance of Star Trek somehow diminishes their status as misunderstood geniuses.
Or as Kevin Dilmore posted on Twitter: “Hi. I’m a Star Trek fan. People who hate Star Trek don’t get it. What? People love the movie? Then I HATE it. It’s not REAL Star Trek! Waa!”
Guess what? The more you protest, the more you validate the Shatner speech on SNL.
#123: It would be great to have a new small screen series. Never say never but with the econonmy and the continued decline of the over-the-air tv I would guess that it will be some other platform that will allow for the continuing for the Enterprise and it’s crew to contiue it’s ongoing mission.
Hey, as long as there wasn’t a guy in engineering shoveling coal into the warp engine I can live with it. Yes the steam was definately out of place for a space ship but I agree that the equipment in engineering should be open for easy access and repair.
Also, no Khan. Do something new, go finish the last two years of the 5 year mission.
#123: I shouldn’t be on-the-air and typing at the same time. Let’s hope Paramount greenlights another big screen movie and allows it to be fully developed and expand the Trek Fanbase.
I just got my copy of the Blu Ray motion picture set. Just watched ST II (the one with the real Khan in it!!) and oh dear, it is good. Cried my eyes out!! It still has that effect on you after all these years. I hadn’t seen it in more than a decade, but it really IS good!!! Now I can’t go to bed till i finish watching III! And IV, and V and VI! It was funny, I went to HMV to buy the disks today, and there was an option to buy the individual copies, but they don’t sell V….. hmmmmm don’t get me wrong, I actually like V! (I got the complete set, have the entire set for the first time in my life!!)
I’m surprised people here are griping about the griping. As long as its done reasonably politely, people should say what they liked and didn’t like about the movie. Fans have been doing that for a long time already. All genuflecting all the time would be uninteresting. Considered criticism is part of the conversation and, frankly, it’s part of the fun of caring about the series.
@129: Shoveling dilithium crystals, though? So crazy it just might… ah, forget it.
124. Jaykay the Scotsman!: ‘I agree, its a complete farce, some people are never happy, I bet JJ and co are sitting thinking to themselves, ‘why did we even bother’. I also think its superb how many ‘Experts’ there are out there of 23rd century engineering rooms..’
Agreed. It’s absolutely pathetic, these nutjobs going on about the engine room not looking like past ones. It seems moaners need one thing to fixate on and they’ve picked on the engine room. Sad! To my mind, pipes and valves will always be a requirement of a spaceship.
For that matter, how the heck is water supposed to be pumped through to taps and toilets on the Enterprise (and don’t tell me they use replicators, because everyone would die of thirst if there was a powercut! ;))
I don’t thing JJ and his gang are going to be too worried. A box office bonanza and a revitalised franchise means that at the most, they are probably having a laugh about some of the pottier comments made by a tiny minority of nerds obsessing over a minor detail! I actually liked the engine room and I also liked the film. So there! :)
Great news about this weekend’s takings. Hoping to see the film again sometime this weekend!
I would hope CBS would allow Direct to DVD stories instead of a TV show. I don’t think a show would make it in todays world.
Direct to DVD could hop around every couple of months alternating from Enterprise stories to Titan stories that could combine Next Gen, DS9, and Voyager characters. This could satisfy diehard and new fans while making CBS some money. Plus they could turn around and sell the TV rights to the SYFY channel.
Klingon Warbird
Romulan Warbird
Romulan Bird of Prey
Klingon Bird of Prey
Nitpicking no more…Klingon Warbird is a canon name….mentioned in ENT Broken Bow and now in this movie twice…..
This week, I mean. And I ‘think’ not ‘thing’!
Warp core from the refit enterprise:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Constitution_Engineering.jpg
Sure don’t look like a Settling tank for German Lager to me :-)
JJ ARE YOU LISTENING????
I’m just glad this film is HUGE success. I don’t care what the naysayers say!
Star Trek IS BACK!!!
Thanks, JJ, Orci and Kurtzman!!! You deserve a freakin MEDAL for what you’ve done!!!
I for a fact loved the engine room and the communications room…heck I loved all of the sets….very realistic and functional, remember that WW3 and the Earth Romulan wars occured…..technology could have been set back by decades due to those major events esp. WW3….
And WW3 set back earth to the Dark Ages….so quit fussing about an engine room that looks like its out of the late 20th/early 21st century….it is intentional and it makes sense…
Yes, the lens glare really was annyoying. Why was that even necessary. They could have accomplished the same effect without all that glare. I also agree about the engine room, with all those pipes. Then Enterprise itself was a ship of pride for the Federation. If you look at the Warp Core from the Voyager series or engine room from Generations, how sophisticated they looked. And even the TOS engine room looked neat and refined. Why even show water pipes. Didn’t make a bit of sense.
Concerning the Bridge, well, they need some color and personality on it. It looks so blah. Hope JJ and writers give some serious thought in hopefully revamping the interior of the ship when they do the sequel.
Anyway I’m going a 2nd time this week to see it again.
To 116. The Last Maquis:
Fair enough. :)
And thank you to those who’ve responded to my question about the Klingon Warbirds.
82
“I mean this obviously was done due to budget limits.”
Please provide indisputable evidence from either Paramount or Bad Robot that that was the case. If not, then either admit that you were talking out of your ass or keep your mouth shut.
I LOVE this movie.
But yes, the engine room totally blows. Good God, what were they thinking??????
135
Uh no….money would be better spent on feature films. They would make them more money.
Not a chance Mr Tricorder
You can’t play on the Titanic and have buckets of anti-matter too
And I had a funny feeling about Uhura having her post in front of the beer vat but it didn’t settle in until the previous post. They were cutting corners big time with interior set design and it’s well known that JJ does not like to work with interior cgi. That answers a lot of questions. Bite the bullet JJ. Build some permanent high quality Engineering, Medical and multi-deck sets and expand their depth with CGI. It’s done all the time. Battle Star Galactica did it with great success
To 132. BrF:
I echo your comments. I have no problem with people being critical of the film as long as it’s mature, backed up with intelligent thoughts, and not insulting.
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And please, just so it’s clear, when I asked about the Klingon Warbirds it wasn’t a gripe. I just didn’t know if it was ever referred to as such before and now I know. “Broken Bow”.
All the complaints about the engine room are very valid. It really looks more like a modern brewery as opposed to a futuristic engine room. I do hope they do something about it as well.
The Budget will be bigger in the sequel….I thought those real world sets were perfect, put things into perspective in terms of the size and scale of the ship….
The sets other than the bridge and sick bay reminded me very much of the Nostromo sets from Alien, and very much so the sets of the Sulaco from Aliens.. Those events depicted in each of those excellent films were set hundreds of years in the future….worn in and industrial looks….just like an engineering section and a communication station should look like…. Water recycling makes sense to me…
#8
Chris, I may have missed this in an earlier thread, but in regards to your “cameo” in the film, are you the transporter officer next to Scotty during the final dual beam-out of Kirk, Pike and Spock?
If so, wow. That was awesome and you looked great (and thrilled to be there). If not, let us know if you are visible anywhere. I’m hoping you were.
(I finally spotted James Cawley during my fifth viewing. And James, if you read this, that is just about the best scene you could have been a part of. That particular scene had it all.)
Great job by all in a great movie, including the awesome quick shot and line from Randy Pausch (RIP).
I don’t mind that the new engine room looks like a brewery. I like beer. Heck, I’m having one right now! Cheers and party on, Enterprise!
148 – and all complainers of the engine room and the communications area and all worn looking “real world” sets…
Watch Alien and Aliens……they also take place in ‘our’ future….
Watch the Classic Star Wars Trilogy…
Its about time that Star Trek started looking realistic….that was the intention….our future….
btw – I wish they incorporated the scene from the 1st Teaser Trailer….magnificent….
I agree it was a fantastic movie, I think the engine room from Star Trek TMP would have looked perfect in the film, and the non-existent secondary hull bothered me a bit. When you really think about it though, to ONLY have 2 gripes (and both design issues) for a 2 hour film is remarkable. Everything else was spot on for me.
One question nagging at me however. Nero said to Kirk (rather operatically)”a life I will deprive you of, just like your father”
How did Nero know about George Kirk?
I’ve only seen it twice so maybe I missed something.
Also, I love how one of the posters here came up with the idea that the Kelvin was actually heading to Tarsus 4(presumably to meet Kodos the executioner) to colonize it.
Beautiful when people make things fit together like that.
Trek fans are awesome.
: )
#154-Mr. Tricorder.
Your right, watching them putting the finishing touches on the hull of the Enterprise, would have really been awesome to see how it blended in with the movie sequence. Good thought.
#138
Jose, give it a break man! Did you actually see the film? Did you enjoy it? Leave the fan-boy geekdom complaints for the appropriate forum. Glowing plastic panels and neon in a room the size of a hotel convention room are pretty, but they don’t realistically portray the guts and machinery neccessary for the power of warp drive.
#155-SPOCKBOY
I think any Engined from any of the movies or Star Trek series would have been an improvement over this one.
# 154
Star Trek is not Star Wars.
The engine room from TOS and TMP and onward to VOY look too futuristic, small and faaaaaaaaakeeee (shout out to my main man Senator Vreenak…things that will never come to be….maybe in the 30th or 40th century…
Yet the engine room in this movie and looks VERY realistic…something that would probably come to be in OUR real world 23rd century….
Oh no – now that Romulus is destroyed….
RIP
Tomalak
Sela
Senator Vreenak
Praetor Shinzon
Remans – Remus did not probably survive….
Ron Perlman’s Reman
Nanclus – ST6
That Romulan Ambassador Pardek from TNG Unification
All the romulans from TOS straight through to VOY/NEM…
The Female Romulan from Enterprise Incident..
157
Your right, I need a beer
It would be nice if JJ would address the issue soon though
I’ll just crawl back under my rock and leave you folks alone for a while :-)
#154
Star Trek is no Star WArs. It is a sophisticated and intelligent creation that was never meant to be a Star Wars movie. Roddenberry ’sreasoning was a plan to have people of all cultures work together as a unity. The Prime Directive was always Peace & only as a last alternative to resort to defending the ship and the crew. The Enterprise mission was exploratory. At the beginning of each episode. “To seek out new life and new civilizaitions…” It was never supposed to be a warship. Sometimes as the was watching thisnew movie I feel as if they lost that Mission Statement.
RIP – Unfortunately
TOS
TAS
TMP to TUC
TNG
DS9
FC
RIP – Thank God and Good Riddance
Generations
Voyager
Insurrection
Nemesis
and heck if you strictly and solely abide by the new so called “alternate reality” universe…Enterprise…..
This movie was supposed to bring ST back, and make it a mainstream success. I think it did that.
The best part is, throughout the entire process, JJ, Orci and gang, have cared about what the fans had to say. They’ve tried to satisfy the nay-sayers and the nitpickers, even though we weren’t the people they were making this movie for. They could have just done an all out reboot, and shoved trek history aside, but they still made an effort to make this movie fit, while giving themselves an almost blank canvas to work with. This was a good creative decision, who wants to be bogged down by 40 years of canon when your trying to make a good movie that appeals to the masses?
I think it’s incredibly cool that they’ve been with us on here and paid attention to what people were saying on this very site, and that they’ve taken the time to talk at length about how they were going to make this movie work. It’s nice that while their main focus was the mainstream, they took a little time for us, even though they really didn’t have to.
I’ve heard a lot of people say that this movie had no substance. When my Dad came along with me (to his first showing, and my third) he told me after that this was an awesome action movie, but that it tried to do to much, for a first Star Trek movie. He hopes the sequel finds its feet, or something to that effect.
Me? I was a little numb after my first showing, probably because even though I’ve been following the movie’s development since the beginning, it’s still hard to get the feel for a recast like this. I still enjoyed the movie immensely, but I didn’t walk out thinking “Oh my god, this was epic”- That feeling came with my second viewing. And the third. I think I just needed time to ring in the changes.
Many other people have conflicting views. People still seem to be nitpicking a lot. If it’s not the engine room it’s the size of the ship, and if it’s not that, it’s the bloody lens flares. (I didn’t even notice the lens flares until someone mentioned them)
Maybe the engineering thing was a huge mess up, fine, lesson learned, maybe JJ and co will fix that for the sequel, maybe not. But at this point, do they really need to come marching over here with an essay explaining why they chose to do it the way they did?
If they did, I’d applaud them on their dedication, but they really don’t have to, and they don’t need to care either because nitpicking aside, they made a successful movie. I don’t think they’re gonna lose sleep over it.
And they shouldn’t, they’ve been working their asses of on this movie for years, at least let them take a small vacation before they start the next one, and the griping about canon violations and set design and canon violations and recasting and canon violations and no-shatner and canon violations and time travel and, oh- did I mention canon violations?- starts all over again.
Quick question though, does the “mainstream” non-trekkie audience as a whole care about engineering? No? If they don’t… Is it really that big of an issue? Ok, maybe it is already a little outdated, should we let it ruin the experience of the entire movie?
I had an argument with my ex whether the new E and it’s bridge, etc was a good idea. He gave me the “There’s no way the ship from the movie can be re-fit into the TOS era ship” speech for the 15th time, and used that as a reason why they should have at least stuck with a similar sort of aesthetic as in TOS in the move. Now THAT would have been outdated. If they’d done that, it would have been much harder to swallow then engineering. It’s a good thing we had already broken up, because that argument would have really done it.
This movie seems to have become a full time job for most of us. Breathe… At least until we get a little closer to the next one.
This movie is now my favourite ST movie. I hope it makes bucketloads of money.
Gripe of my own: Khan as the next villain, dear God i hope not. We have a new continuity now, we can do what we want!
160.
Wasn’t Romulus only destroyed in the TOS/TNG timeline? As far as I can tell, the new timeline still has Romulus, but no Vulcan. And the old timeline still has Vulcan, but no Romulus.
RIP
Berman and Braga………2 of the Biggest Hacks in Star Trek and even perhaps in the History of Entertainment….they DESTROYED the franchise….with their TNG clones VOY, Insurrection, Nemesis and Enterprise Seasons 1 and 2….
They are the ENEMIES of Fun……
Good Riddance……LOL….(evil laugh)
Mind you ENT seasons 3 and 4 kicked ass !!!!
I don’t know that anyone from the production ever mentioned Kan for the sequel, I think alot of us have made that assumption based on theories of some of the posters gone to the extreme. However if they do visit Khan at some point Bardim or Sayid -Naveen Andrews (with some of Daniel Craig and Gerard Butler’s special vitamins and a rigid weight lifting program) would be terrific. We already saw an arch heel villian for the first film I would hope that we see more of the mysterious cosmic threat in the second against the backdrop of war with the Klingons.
And to those (like me) who disliked the steampunk look of the engine room. This was done for budgetary reasons. JJ has said so in interviews. Couldn’t afford to build a TMP style set. Especially in light of the fact that this ship is now 735 meters long. The set they would have had to build would be enormous, the brew factory gave them the tremendous built in scale for the ginormous engineering section as well as the new water reclamation plant, hanger bay, ect and JJ made it plausible. So maybe in the next one we will see some elements of a TMP style engineering integrated into the set.
So…RIP in a good way ENT Season 3 and 4 – and even the very good Broken Bow Pilot Episode…
RIP…Good Riddance….
ENT Season 1 and 2
Don’t worry – We will be making our own Star Trek film to compete with this one…..
B&B
Some people are talking about the next movie being a “remake” of a TOS episode, but a lot of the TOS episodes are impossible in the new movie’s “alternate reality.” Let me explain…
“Court Martial” is impossible because in this universe, Kirk magically goes from cadet to captain and doesn’t get years of experience serving on other ships – like the Farragut, where he was supposed to meet Ben Finney (not to mention the fact that the Farragut was destroyed above Vulcan). A remake of “Obsession” would lose its dramatic value, again for the same reasons – Kirk never served aboard the Republic under Captain Garrovick in the “Alternate Universe” and wouldn’t be familiar with the cloud creature. “Amok Time” is impossible because Vulcan was destroyed, “Journey to Babel” is impossible because they killed off Amanda in the movie (for some reason), “Shore Leave” would be very different without Finnegan or Ruth, and BOTH pilot episodes (”The Cage” and “WNMHGB”) can’t exist in the “alternate reality.” Kirk doesn’t seem to have any backstory with other experienced commanders, making the part in “Conscience of the King” where Kirk convinces another commander to abandon Anton Karidian on the planet so the Enterprise will be forced to carry them impossible – not to mention the fact that Alternate Kirk never even lived on Tarsus IV and wouldn’t give a sh*t about Governor Kodos/Anton Karidian in the first place. A remake of “The Doomsday Machine” would have a lackluster ending, since Alternate Kirk would probably just eject Alternate Constellation’s beer canisters/warp core(s) into the mouth of the Doomsday Machine instead of actually piloting the wrecked ship into the Machine. Not to mention the fact that Alternate Kirk and Crew begins their “five-year mission” six years before they do in the “Prime Universe,” meaning they wouldn’t even encounter the situations in all the TOS episodes since they would only occur years later. I could go on and on…but basically, there are very few TOS episodes whose stories could even exist as they were within the “alternate reality.”
I just hope people realize this – the “Alternate Reality” of the movie changes a hell of a lot more than people might imagine.
164. Thanks. Great post. I feel the same way (and had the same feeling after the first viewing: it was all just too much to take in). The following viewing left me saying nothing short of epic and this is definitely this 40-year Trekkie’s favorite Star Trek film.
josepepper, you’re either a really good “fisherman”, or a complete idiot. Either way, your opinions don’t make you the athority on all things Trek. Get over yourself, the new engine room was a gutsy take on things, and I, for one, welcomed the update.
Money talks dude, and this film is makin cash. I say good on ya JJ, for taking a chance, and turning your own twist on Trek!
^171. Good point about Kirk’s lack of experience and networking. In the old universe there were many officers who mentored him. Now it seems a lot more people might just resent him.
Alright Trekkers, we did not like the new film as we have never liked TOS and chose to ignore it as much as possible.
How would you feel about us getting a second chance at taking another “kick at the can”
How about our proposed Titan film ?
Riker – Captain, Troi – 1st Officer, Tuvok – Security, Seven – Science Officer, Nog – Navigator, O’Brien – Cheif Engineer, Ezri – Counsellor, Holo Doctor – Cheif Medical Officer….. What do you think….the villans would be the Breen…..
Does anyone know if the international numbers include ‘CHINA’ ? Because if they do…. then star trek is doing VERY poorly internationally compared to alot of other films !
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OOOOOHHHHHH don’t tease us, But Nog goes out the airlock
@Smike van Dyke
Mein Guter du sprichst mir aus der Seele. Ich war mit meiner Mutter (56) im Kino SIE war begeistert vom Film und von der neuen Besetzung. Dazu muss man wissen das sie mich zum Fan gemacht hat. Es war ein perfektes Kinoerlebnis, aber leider nur für 14leute. Das Kino war so gut wie leer(ok die 20uhr vorstellung war dann voll) ich kann nicht verstehen wieso die Leute hier nicht ins Kino rennen sie verpassen etwas ganz besonderes. Ich geh garantiert nochmal rein.
I took my Mother with me to see it. She is 56 and she loved the Film and the new Cast. She was the one who made me a Fan. It was a perfect Film-experience, but only for 14 people. The Room was almost empty (later the 8pm showing was full) i can’t understand why people aren’t running to see the Film. They are missing a realy special thing. I am sure as hell go to see it a second time.
Grüsse aus Hildesheim. greetings from Hildesheim Germany.
Love the movie.
Disappointed with promotion in my home country, Australia. Saw some TV ads on one of the cable stations but other promotional activity was severly lacking. Would love to have seen a presence on cereal packets, in burger chains….
Fans….let us know how you felt about our running of the franchise….
How would you feel about us taking back our rightful hold of the franchise from these so called heirs of the franchise – the so called Supreme Court….
We B&B are the rightful owners and property holders of the Star Trek franchise….even if we have to go to court and return to making our vision and brand of trek….. We did a stellar job….
Poll 1:
How do you feel we did on a percentage scale…..
Poll 2:
How do you feel about us making a new Star Trek film or TV series based on Titan…
Poll 3;
Do you think we still hold the rights to and the overall vision of Star Trek…and do you feel that we should solely run, direct and own the franchise ?
To #180:
Yeah, right. I’m sure.
@ 179. I agree too. In Canada…. Wolverine was all over the buses and metro and shopping centre advertisement boards. Star Trek had almost ZEROOO advertisement as in bill-boards. It also opened up in about 3800 theaters compared to Wolverines 4100 theaters. I don’t understand why Paramount did what they just have done.
Poll 4:
Do you think we did Star Trek justice…..and that we were always fresh and innovative…
Poll 5:
Do you think we should sue the “Supreme Court” team for infringement rights and take back a franchise that we rightfully own…..we would de-canonize this movie and aim for a new film that respects the fans and satisfies us….. 50 million budget with a goal to reach 100 million worldwide….
Saw it again yesterday and enjoyed it as much, catching more details.
Anyone else notice the ST:TMP graphics used here and there? The one for the transporter room stood out to me.
Regarding the engine room – it makes a hell of a lot more sense to have everything exposed, lest a “Naked Time”-like incident occurs, that way Scotty doesn’t have to cut through any bulkheads.
#160 — You are QUITE correct. I don’t know how people keep getting confused on this…
180. BermanBragaLiveBeyondGrave
Ummm, is this a joke? You’re not seriously B&B are you?
Anthony?
If this is a joke then I feel kind of ridiculous.
If you are B&B, then you just lowered yourself considerably on my respect scale.
Shame on you.
Our films were better than this one….
Generations
First Contact
Insurrection
And the best….Nemesis…our crowning achievement…
In Brazil, Star Trek took second place, behind Wolverine.
187…
It is B&B
This is no joke….187….
We are unsatisfied with this film…we could have pulled off a better story with a much more prudent and reasonable budget…
B&B
I’m Harve Bennett
188. BragaBermanLiveBeyondGrave
Yeah, sure. Whatever you say, buddy.
Well said 157…..
Give it up, BragaBermanLiveBeyondThunderdome. You’re too silly and no one is buying it. Man, I can’t believe I’m actually feeding into this nonsense right now. LOL
1. 25%
2. Hell No!!!
3. Double Hell No!!!!!!!!
Aren’t you guys dead? Oh, yea, this is Star Trek, LOL!!!!
Anthony, HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL…. B&B.. nice fishing, man. You took over for josepepper ;)
-BragaBerman- grow up and come back into reality. Your sick man.
This is THE most insane thread I’ve ever participated in at Trekmovie. Nothing we’re talking about here has anything to do with the article.
Yes…..what is this nonsense…….
Berman and Braga on here….could be believable, those 2 must be bitter about the success of the new film which blows their crap out of the water..
No more engine room bashing….please……I liked the designs of the movie….
I’m done. good night all.
1. An honest 56.5%
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
yeah, that about sums it up.
The engine room fits with the ship size and its location…. Its supposed to be industrial looking.
no that is not really Braga
Mr. Tricorder is spoofing and so goodbye…banned
164 makes a good point too–one of the major goals (clearly achieved here) is to make Star Trek “read” to a contemporary audience. I think the engineering space was part of that strategy in addition to a budgetary approach that gave them an extremely versatile location. The look of that brewery very quickly says “machinery, the bowels of the ship, SIZE, engineering”–without someone having to point out the matter antimatter injectors or something and explain it to an audience. It would have been HUGELY expensive to build a set of that size that gets the same idea across, plus you’d have to construct sections of the hangar deck and a number of other areas inside the ship that the brewery serves as. I understand why fans are driven crazy about this because we all pick over the designs and try to figure out how everything works–that doesn’t matter that much to a modern audience.
I am curious what brewery was use. Not trying to make trouble here, i’m really curious. I must be one of the big brewers (i.e. Miller, Bud).. again, i liked it (shrug).. to each his/her own.
Say whatever you want, but to me, the engine room worked.
Especially in the scene where Scotty get beamed into the pipes…
Best cinematic fun I’ve had in years.
The engine rooms on the Kelvin and the Big E SUCKED!! Engineering on the NX-01 looked more technologically advanced. Bring back the TMP Engineering set!
And what’s with the the Transporter beaming range? Beaming from the vicinity of Saturn to Earth? WTF…did Starfleet find some Dominion transporter technology somewhere? I understand wanting to do the film to appeal to the masses but come on!
JJ, the Trek fans are your greatest resource. You want material researched, don’t go to your team at Bad Robot, put a call out on the Trek boards and any question you ask will be answered with better suggestions than you could possibly imagine.
Next film…spend the $$$ and do Engineering right, hold the cameras still AND KILL THE DAMN LENS FLARES!
Other than those quibbles I was very entertained by the movie. Still prefer the “Prime” Star Trek universes though.
@171
“I just hope people realize this – the “Alternate Reality” of the movie changes a hell of a lot more than people might imagine.”
Yes, of course… I am certain that those with creative minds will be able to scratch up something without rehashing an old TOS episode…
210 – so strong language and all CAPS makes you the authority.. nice man, real nice. Get over yourself.
somethung the guys might want to read 9and fix) before the release of the dvd.
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film7600
The next one (STM12) needs to innovate are desire to leave this blue rock, I’d think some thing like political fat asses after Earth was almost Destroyed by the Red Matter does a good job of fooling the public into thinking that if humanity ventures into space it will destroy the human will to make our essence of life give up making a better future. Almost like what happened to the Apollo Program.
Some thing like with out trying to give the Universe freedom we will become enslaved by some devilish like force that makes us Humans self centered little greed devouring jerks. This in ways has been tried by not letting US (two meanings us as self and US as America) give some Arab places the hope that America had and I hope still has. That’s before someone resided to make our offspring and theirs pay for us to sit on our butts and have there money make life for us easy.
The Great Bird of the Galaxy commented that indirectly in the episode his half white and black -vs- black and white or the Gorn episode was made to show wrongs with society. Just like leaving Khan abandoned on that planet, although that plot took a TV show and Movie took 17 years to happen.
Just remember Freedom is only freedom when your personal labor efforts is meant to improve the lives of those close to you, not some deadbeat that lives for a bar habit or finding clean needles. And what else is Star Trek than an expression freedom will let our minds give us a greater peace and improve society. Does not Spock Prime imply this to the New Kirk at the end of this beautiful Movie.
P.S. There are flaws in the movie (i.e. an Engine Room that looks two dimensional making it huge, rather than three dimensional to make thing smaller, and does not the Engine Room change the fourth dimension indirectly to let them exceed Einstein’s laws on the speed of light)
*sigh*
The engine room? Seriously? This is what people are complaining about?
While it might not gel with the awesome iRetro bridge it’s still an awesome set.
I’d rather watch Pegg’s Scotty running back and forth working his magic by turning valves and so on than Geordi Techno babble the problem away or B’Lanna mindless tapping a warp core interface console with only eight buttons.
215 – Well said!!!!
After looking at this web page this morning with only 45 comments I’ve spent most of the day thinking of what or how to say what I typed. Now some 150 comments later I hope people will read and understand the message meant (i.e. Paramount and the Trekkies around the world.
In ANY timeline!
HE LIVES!!!!!
#100 I agree completely.
Don’t revisit past characters and villians in the new ST movies. Even in this new timeline you’ll be limited, and we fans will continue to pick things apart. Get creative, and go in a new, bold, creative direction for today’s (and tomorrow’s) audience.
Since Angels and Demons only grossed $5 million more than Star Trek, and knowing how much displeasure Angels and Demons is getting, what are the chances that Star Trek will do better than Angels and Demons next weekend?
Regarding the Engine Room
The fact of the matter is this: Did the design of main engineering deter from this movie being a box office success? No. Had they designed it better would it have added to the box office success? No. If in the Original Series had they not made their engineering set out of ply-wood, chicken wire, and cast pieces of candy for buttons-YES IT WAS CAST PIECES OF CANDY!!, would it have been less of a success? No.
There is your argument for engineering completely covered. Now let’s talk about the topic in hand: the second week’s box office.
And remember, Star Trek belongs to everybody, not just the DORKS who cling readily to both their technical manuals and their virginity.
Anthony, my posts are being blocked. What is happening?
with the exception of the spock uhra kissing thing (they should have just talked more and hugged not kissed) kirks attitude towards women and where the f*** was nero for 25 years
the rest of my complaints are towards the sets and the enterrpise not the
characters.
like the battlestar galatica enginerring room and the cluttered look of the halways and some of the rooms, and the fact that the neck of the enterprise needs to be further forward and the engines need to be moved forward about 15% to match
other than that it was a far better effort than generations, I found myself wondering where the time had gone when the film was over, it just flew by…. in a good way, of course they could do a star trek 2 thing and shoot us ahead 15 years with a fixed and more traditional enterprise, after all who knows scott might have been saying in his mind all along that the ship had been built by monkies!
@ 223. Kev: Oh, Nero was hanging out on Rura Penthe. ;)
208:
The layout of the beer vats was almost identical to that of the Weinhard’s Brewery I used to visit. The immediate recognition of the equipment was what made the engineering set so god-awful cringe worthy for me. The only way it could have been worse was if a group of technicians had been seated in front of a bank of coin operated washing machines.
With that said, I enjoyed most other aspects of the film but I sure hope the production designers jettison the brewery in the sequel.
#210 – Thanks to Spock Prime’s equations, Transwarp beaming is what probably allowed Kirk & Spock to beam to the Narada from Saturn. Having said that, I hope they don’t get carried away with that mcguffin in future films (just say that repeated Transwarp beaming leads to physical deterioration or something).
As to future Trek movies, I also hope they avoid Khan, its just too obvious a plot and I’d hope they can come up with an original adventure we haven’t seen before.
Of course, if they insist on cherry-picking TOS, I’d suggest a souped up version of Arena might have box office appeal: have the Enterprise arrive at a destroyed Cestus III in act one and engage a Gorn landing party; for act 2 the Enterprise can lead a Federation armada against a fleet of Gorn ships; this would lead us to act 3 where the Enterprise breaks away from the fleet to chase down the lead Gorn ship and runs into the Metrons. Then, instead of just sending the respective captain to fight it out; have the whole senior staff of each ship transported down (McCoy: “I’m a doctor, not a commando!”) and engage in some hand to hand combat before Kirk shows compassion and spares the Gorns.
Arena was one of those episodes that nicely straddled the line between action and adhering to Trek’s more hopeful ideals and something like that might make a good vehicle for a future movie.
boxoffice says that TMP made $240M adjusted for inflation. Right now the new movie is only $2M behind FC adjusted. So probably by tomorrow ST 2009 will be 5th biggest grossing ST movie, behind the first 4 TOS movies.
I believe it should be 4th by the 3rd weekend (beating TSFS with $163M adjusted). By the end of its run, I am sure the new movie will have surpassed TWOK ($192M adjusted) and TVH ($212M). The question is, can it outdo TMP with $240M?
I’d definitely like to see a new story for the sequel(s).
With the crew successfully re-introduced this gives real freedom to give us a new story … perhaps a two movie story arc (I’d ask for three, but don’t want to be too greedy!).
This would be a good pol subject!
Saw it in IMAX yesterday, sold out again, 5th time seeing it overall, and I love it and love catching something new every time. My pickiness remains with the product placement, engine room, and spock/uhura romance, but it’s tolerable because it’s such an awesome movie everywhere else, and the characters along with the alternate timeline make it acceptable. Keep up the good work, you’re gonna have a hell of time topping this J.J. with the next one, though I am looking forward to TrekXII with the utmost anticipation. My favorite part though has been bringing friends who have either never seen Star Trek or had stereotypically negative thoughts about it and they end up enjoying the movie almost as much as I do…now that’s a mission accomplished.
#226 – Your idea of a “souped-up” version of “Arena” sounds interesting, but it wouldn’t work. ST12 would probably take place immediately after the events of ST11, which takes place in 2258. The Gorn didn’t flip out and attack Cestus III until 2266, a full eight years after the events of the first movie and three years after any “five year mission” begun in 2258 would have ended.
Like I said in my post #171, this alternate universe changed way more than people realize. Nothing that happened in the Prime Universe can happen in any form in the Alternate Universe.
Just took my 9 year old son to see the movie (my 3rd time)… and he absolutely loved it. He actually pointed out a few times the similarities to Star Wars, which was a positive to him. He also really liked the humor, as did I. He said he can’t wait for the sequel!
This movie has surpassed even the most optimistic predictions in terms of box office take, critical acceptance, and mass market appeal. The theater I saw the movie in tonight was PACKED FULL, lots of the folks were in their teens and 20’s, and the multiplex had more screens used by Star Trek than by Angels and Demons.
I’ve been a Star Trek fan for over 30 years, and I couldn’t be happier. Just a fun, fun movie. If they just would’ve chilled a bit on the shaky cam stuff, it would’ve been near perfect for me.
Congratulations to Paramount, JJ Abrams, and the whole ST production team. What a great movie. I just saw it for the third time last night and in the IMAX format for the first time.
BTW – Using a dressed up brewery for the engine room set did not bother me at all. I believe that despite many technological advances there will still be industrial type areas in a space ship as big as the Enterprise.
I have taken great satisfaction that some of the “haters” who predicted box office failure are nowhere to be seen now or are at least having to change their story.
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I know. I wish the haters would come back and say something…especially my favorite, Databrain.
One of my favorites though was this guy saying that Simon Pegg did a terrible job and that Jimmy Doohan was rolling in his grave or some tripe like that. Chris Doohan posts basically that this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about and this guy suddenly changes his tone. It was too funny…rofl.
I should note I called the relative flopping of Angels and Demons in a couple of different threads. And Trek is showing it has legs.
And yes, it is high time for the dopey nitpicking to stop. You who are doing it are feeding a negative stereotype of Trek fans as pinheads. No movie is perfect, but this one did a SUPERB job of getting Trek back into the public consciousness, and it delivered the goods big time on getting our case reestablished with the plate set for new stories.
Headline:
The return of Star Trek’s greatest cultural icons (Kirk and Spock) save the “Star Trek” franchise…
P.S. I don’t want to say I told you so, but I told you so.
Saw it on Imax yesterday. Lousy way to see it IMO-all that shaky cam stuff really is nauseating in that format. I’ll probably see it again [3rd time] in a regular theater.
I’m concerned that Star Trek didn’t expand it’s foreign market. This probably “dooms” it to cost conscious B movie status like the Star Trek movie series that preceeded it. I’d hoped we’d finally get Star Wars caliber epics, but I guess it’s just not meant to be.
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According to the National Association of Theater Owners, the average ticket price in 1979 was $2.47.
FYI
Khan is to Kirk and crew what Joker was to Batman and Gothem, do it.
I would love to see Orci/Kurtzman/JJ’s take on one of Trek’s classic villains.
Heath Ledger would have made a sick Khan.
Why not ask Christian Bale ,Robert Downey Jr/Javaier Bardam to be Khan, the greatest sci fi villian next to u know.
I would love to see JJ’s take/direction on a classic match of wits submarine style battle in space. He can keep the lens flare also, makes it look epic on the bridge. For some reason, I prefer the Kelvin Bridge over the Enterprise and have no issues with the beer factory engine style room.
I would love to see Spock in Stellar Cartography and use more scientific techno babble to be thrown at Kirk. More slow shots of the Enterprise torpedos/torpedo cam, with impact.
Khan worked and so did the Borg Queen, Nero was good but needed more of a backstory, Mind Meld scene nicely done(DVD/Bluray perhaps)
Part 2: Keep ILM, Michael G, JJ as Director, Entire Cast, New sets showing different areas of the Enterprise, ie. Stellar Cartography/Interior of Nacelles/Deflector Dish. Villains, choose (Klingons with the updated version of their ships ala new Enterprise, Khan, not romulans) I want to see Klingons cloak and kick some ass, maybe Kirk stealing that technology to allow…(insert kick ass plot here). More ice planet type monsters, explore the unkown parts of the Galaxy/Universe, character interaction between Spock – McCoy – Kirk, Kirk – Spock scenes of cowboy and logic complimenting each other, great dynamic.
K. Maru simulation done right, without it being as a joke, loved the scene but lot more potential here with the special effects/drama/suspense/smarts you could have used. I loved the tributes, apple, tribble, orion girl, starfleet academy in san fran, red shirt death, accents, sound effects on bridge.
Do the Countdown Comic promotion again, great way to build up and advertise, tentpole treatment (premieres and lots of exposure). George Takai/William Shatner Cameo.
If you make us Cry, Cheer, Laugh, Cry, Cheer, we will forever be in debt. People will pay to see your film over and over for these emotions, ie. star wars, empire strikes back, return of the jedi, indiana jones, forest gump, spiderman, dark knight, lotr, and titanic.
If they can reboot and redo Star Trek, they can reboot and redo Khan.
Push it.
BTW – I hope all the haters who had their doubts can eat their words now. Congrats JJ and Team. Klingons and Khan awaits. Please do not reinvent another contrived villian that is like Soran/Ruaffo/Shinzon(evil clone). There are a lot of classic material for you to reimagine/reboot.
Star Trek 2—July 1, 2011!!!!!
Announce it now, Paramount!!!!!
I have a question for everyone posting here:
What have you guys been paying for tickets? I bought a ticket to a May 7th screening at a theater in North Hollywood, CA from Fandango. I spent $8.00 total for it ($7.00 for student discount plus $1.00 convenience fee). What’s the going rate elsewhere?
okay guys.. enough with the “bridge looks like an Apple Store” stuff. Have you guys ever been to the apple store? Obviously not. The two that I have been to.. one here in Montreal and another in Boston.. have wooden tables and wood and glass display cases. I didn’t see that on the bridge in the movie.
Wow. I had no idea the film would do this well. Glad that it has, in spite of my going to see it three times… so far! =)
Furthermore, even if the film is not actually called “Star Trek 2,” let me say again my idea for the teaser poster, in case Orci or anyone else is reading!
Same style as this one:
http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/star_trek_poster.jpg
But instead of “Star Trek” simply a ginormous number “2″ in the Horizon font. In the bottom right, in red, the Starfleet delta insignia and “Stardate 7.1.2011″.
Those reports were in some other language or something…what’s “sesh” and “cume?”
“Green blood of a goblin.”
What would be of Star Trek without the marvelous racist McCoy’s insults.
Anyway, there seems to be a little problem in the movie with the stardates. They are obviously years from our Gregorian calendar. And this is not a change introduced by the new timeline. The Spock’s ship computer states as its date of manufacturing “Stardate 2387. Comissioned by the Vulcan Science Academy”.
And here goes your canon.
Ok everyone.. the movie was great, no denying it, but pleeeaassseee!! The engine room just sucks.. Not the right scale for the ship, the engineering section vew from Star Trek TMP is more like what they should have gone for.
Much like the way Gotham City became basically Chicago in the second film, JJ needs to do a redesgn of the engineering section interior. No big deal, but had he done that in the first place, this would have made the film even better.. I mean come on, there was almost 400 posts, dealing with the size of the “E”, and now there’s 245 posts mainly dealing with how bad the engineering interiors are. The Enterprise is as much a character like Kirk/Spock, and needs to be portrayed correctly.. this is not just a means of transportation for the crew, it’s their home, and when we are watching, it becomes our home as well.. Mr. Abrams needs to make sure he treats it that way.
I for one had no problem with a lot of the common complaints. “Sabotage” didn’t bother me, the brewery didn’t bother me, the size of the ship might be silly but even if it is (who can even tell without freeze-framing?), that doesn’t bother me, the Spock & Uhura romance element didn’t bother me (I quite liked it, in fact), neither Pegg’s nor Yelchin’s more comic performances didn’t bother me (I loved both), a ship built on the ground didn’t bother me, the list of things that didn’t bother me goes on and on.
What bothers me is that I put this movie on par with TNG, which to franchise fans is nuff-said, high-praise, but to me its praise a bit more faint.
TOS was: sexy, action-packed, funny, clever, rich with high ideals, and rich with evocative commentary. TNG stripped away the first three (or at least downplayed them, heavily) and the result was a good show. The Abrams reboot strips away the last three (or at least downplays them, heavily) and the result was a good movie.
But … somewhere in the middle is something that doesn’t compromise, doesn’t pander, doesn’t take itself too seriously and doesn’t dumb itself down … something so far sequeled and prequeled, but never equalled.
IMO, YMMV, and other alphabetical strings.
Why do we nitpick about the movie? Cause we love it and want it to have a future. Anyone who’s ever visited a brewery or winery cannot take the engine room seriously. And not to add insult to injury but when the Ent rose out of the Titan atmosphere, all I could think of was that balloon enterprise from the Japanese event. I really liked the movie but there was just a lot of things that stretched the level of disbelief required to enjoy a science fiction movie, which pushed it close to space fantasy. I enjoy Star Wars, but having references and ‘easter eggs’ from that universe is nearly a slap in the face. This trend will likely result in a couple more blockbuster movies, which is great but that will be it. No TV series because Star Trek won’t be any different than any other space action show.
With the exception of ‘Insurrection’, every other Trek movie left me an emotional attachment with the characters, a desire to continue with those characters beyond the story. I’m sorry to say that after the Kelvin scenes, the rest of the movie was very unemotional and when the movie was over, it was over and I didn’t feel like I’d been a part of it. The actors all did a great job in my mind (except Yelchin, I just hoped someone would slap him for that lousy immitation) but the story was very limited beyond the action. That won’t bring any fans into the ‘Trek Universe’ beyond a couple weeks during a movie event.
Sorry to go on bitching, but I love Star Trek and I want it to have a future and more substance than just a big budget. I don’t see why it can’t be great in every aspect.
What I need to know is, do the IMAX showings run through May 21st….or do they end on May 20th? Just asking since some IMAX’s showed it on Thursday the 7th and it’s supposed to be IMAX’ed for 2 weeks only. Anyone?
#249: “I’m sorry to say that after the Kelvin scenes, the rest of the movie was very unemotional [...]”
That Kelvin stuff really did work emotionally though, didn’t it? I’m still surprised, because in terms of events and dialogue that stuff was 100% post-consumer recycled cardboard, but it really did work; brought a tear to me eye. I take that as a real ray of hope (a blinding lens flare of hope?) for JJ Abrams to mature into a fine director one day.
“Anyone who’s ever visited a brewery or winery cannot take the engine room seriously.”
Speak for yourself. I used to visit and hang out at a local brewery in Houston every week (St. Arnold) and was a home brewer and I LOVED the engineering set. It seemed way more real than the stupid blinky lights room. Try no speaking for other people.
Absolutely. How else would any writers from Entertainment Weekly, etc, verify that the OCD Trekkie stereotypes are alive and well.
Let’s face it: when TOS was first created, predictions for life in the 2000s had us in flying cars, swallowing capsules in place of a 5 course meal and living in space colonies. Having that kind of engine room 250 years from now is not unreasonable.
This thread is about the numbers, which are great for any movie, especially a Star Trek movie. Congrats to JJ and the Supreme Court!
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32. The Gorn Identity – May 17, 2009
It’s a huge victory for the Star Trek franchise yet people are bickering about the engine room? Wow.
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I’d have taken the last 90 minutes of the life of the Kelvin than the first day of the Ent. Too bad they both had the same enginering section…
Now I’m just sounding bitter, I really don’t mean too, I really did enjoy the movie!
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So how did you watch any scene in the eng. section and not say to yourself, that’s a brewery, not an engine…
Khan? Past Episodes? Really? A new reality was created to overcome this issue. I’m for exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and civilations…..to boldly go where no one has gone before….
Set Issues? Go for it….gripe and dissect to your hearts content….it’s your right to do so….All I know is I have enjoyed a great theatrical experience and as a long time trekkie, I am thoroughly enjoying my non trek friends contacting me about how great they thought the movie was…with no prompting from me…that says something about JJ taking this in the right direction…
Have a good nite!
Oh, and something about $200 million speaks for itself…
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Should Star Wars fans see the Enterprise floating above the Coruscant skyline in The Phantom Menace as a “slap in the face” too?
Sometimes Star Trek fans’ melodramatic “this is a bloody outrage” routine is a little too much even for this Trekkie. Don’t be such a drama queen. The ILM team does visual effects for both franchises. They include easter eggs in these movies for fun. Most casual viewers don’t even notice them. This isn’t some nefarious scheme by the evil Darth Lucas to leech off Star Trek’s popularity (such as it is). I can assure you Lucas has more than enough money to last several lifetimes.
Wow, so Angels & Demons really *didn’t* have the appeal they thought it would. I figured there would be folks with a bad taste in their mouth from DVC, but this is a much poorer showing than I thought. They barely beat Trek in its second week. and Trek beat them on Saturday! Where’s RD when you need him? ;)
On a personal note, I saw A&D this weekend, and I can’t say it’s much better than DVC. They changed A LOT of plot points/characters from the book, and it just felt like a muddled mess.
#256 – JJ in on record that he “wouldn’t rule out ANYTHING” and “whether it’s William Shatner or Khan … it would be ridiculous to not be open to those ideas.”
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1611523/story.jhtml
So, who knows where JJ’ll take you.
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I don’t have evidence, but I don’t need it. Just look at Uhura’s station among the tanks. It doesn’t make any sense. Why would there be tanks at a communications station ? Or any station for that matter ? You just don’t do something like that, when you have a bit of room in the budget to build a fitting set instead – even if it looks industrial. When I heard the sets would be industrial, I wasn’t against it. I thought, well you can make it look like an advanced version of say a fusion reactor like the one being built in France.
But this doesn’t look like anything. There are no points of reference. You don’t know what it’s supposed to be. Lacking any hints the human brain tends to draw on experience, on things we’ve already seen and the tanks in the Uhura scene especially make it look like a brewery with a few tables and chairs inside it. It just doesn’t fit the great visuals we’ve seen in the rest of the movie.
I hope the sequel has this same team. I’ve been reading the articles concerning how the effects were done, and as much as Orci and Kurtzman deserve praise, JJ really livened up the effects scenes with his input. The ILM guys would come up with a shot, then JJ would tell them to alter the angle, make the Enterprise spin around, enter the scene in a more dramatic fashion etc. I can’t wait for the next one.
oh look, it’s 10:59 pm … and the ST:09 engine rooms still sucks.
261. Unbel1ever
“But this doesn’t look like anything. There are no points of reference. You don’t know what it’s supposed to be. Lacking any hints the human brain tends to draw on experience, on things we’ve already seen and the tanks in the Uhura scene especially make it look like a brewery with a few tables and chairs inside it. It just doesn’t fit the great visuals we’ve seen in the rest of the movie.”
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I’m in complete agreement. The industrial look was probably an artistic choice more than it was a budgetary one, but it could have been executed much more elegantly. To me at least, it didn’t pay off. Someone pointed out that Battlestar Galactica had much success with CGI enhanced sets and I believe that would have been a very good option for this production.
Having said that, my enjoyment wasn’t ruined by it. This *IS* a fabulous movie and great Trek. I enjoyed it twice and will probably go a couple more times while it’s in the theaters. Then I’ll buy the DVD when it’s released.
Well said. I just finished watching Star Trek IV: The One With The Whales and the first shot of the Enterprise A (at the end) looked like the iBridge, if anything.
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256. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE – May 17, 2009
Set Issues? Go for it….gripe and dissect to your hearts content….it’s your right to do so….All I know is I have enjoyed a great theatrical experience and as a long time trekkie, I am thoroughly enjoying my non trek friends contacting me about how great they thought the movie was…with no prompting from me…that says something about JJ taking this in the right direction…
Have a good nite!
257. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE – May 17, 2009
Oh, and something about $200 million speaks for itself…
Fair enough, but what everyone seems to forget is that the Enterprise is on an emergency rescue mission and that she hadn’t even been Christened yet.
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261. Unbel1ever – May 17, 2009
#144
I don’t have evidence, but I don’t need it. Just look at Uhura’s station among the tanks. It doesn’t make any sense. Why would there be tanks at a communications station ? Or any station for that matter ? You just don’t do something like that, when you have a bit of room in the budget to build a fitting set instead – even if it looks industrial.
OK, a lot of fans didn’t like the engine room. We got it.
#259. Ask & you shall receive. Perhaps you haven’t checked the box office rankings. A&D has already earned $152,300,000 worldwide against a principle budget of $150 million. So in ONE weekend, A&D has already earned back it’s principle budget, which took Trek two weekends to accomplish. Or is the USA all that matters?
Anyway, so happy I provided you an opportunity to gloat at least domestically. While it is true A&D did not quash Trek domestically, it did beat it overall. However, Trek’s numbers did take a 50% dive, except for Saturday where it was only 1/3 below last week, meanwhile Wolverine held tough. Trek is still scraping by in the foreign market, which is really going to have to improve.
The only point I ever tried to make is that Trek’s numbers were going to suffer next to A&D and they did, though not as bad as Wolverines’. I never said Trek did not have legs and it wasn’t going to do well. But it also did not hit $200 million either, which many folks were predicting early last week. This is the week to watch as Trek opens in Asia and goes up against Terminator.
#261 “Why would there be tanks at a communications station ? Or any station for that matter ?”
There is a thing called “artistic license”. In movie making, and in every visual art, sometime you show things that are not functional, but purely evocative. In recent years Trek has been too didascalic, in my opinion. The new movie, on the contrary, place a lot of emphasis on the artistic value of images.
Perhaps a little of topic, but is it me or does everyone over at New Voyages, or Phase II, seem to hate the motive, I never read so many ridiculous complaints in my life.
I like to read fan fiction and I’ve come against a number of stories that presume Mr. Scott runs his own little private destillery somewhere in the engine room. Actually, I got one good laugh out of the engineering set for that matter.
I am supremely reluctant to weigh in on the issue of engineering, but seen as it was perhaps the only part of the movie that I actually didn’t like (apart from the inclusion of Delta Vega in general), I feel as though I am entitled to make a comment on it.
I didn’t like it for a lot of reasons, chief of which was that there was no continuity between the engine room (and now you mention it, the bridge) seen in Enterprise and those seen in the new movie; as far as I was aware, what happened in ENT occurs before this movie and so is part of the “new canon”.
I think that the engine room in ENT was fairly ‘gritty’ and ‘realistic’; and the designers should have incorporated some of that design into the new Constitution class. Obviously it should have been an evolution of the room shown in ENT, as it is 100 years later. An actual thrumming, loud warp core would have been nice to see, rather than a few tanks that could have been anything.
I don’t know… It just seemed to be an engine room without an engine in it.
#11: “If you read countdown, you should already know the answer to the question you are asking.”
The thing is, Josh. A movie should stand on its own and not require its audience to go elsewhere seeking answers to their questions.
That said, I did read ‘Countdown’ and found it an excellent precursor to the film.
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Adding my voice to one point of dissatisfaction about the film (I saw it again today, third time– this time at an IMAX theater), I HATE the new engineering deck on the Enterprise. Hate hate hate it… but maybe, unlike U.S. Navy vessels, beer is served aboard the Big E.
I am, however, intrigued with the notion that the Big E is really BIG (around 2,700 feet long)…
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Today, while viewing the film I finally found James Cawley and Chris Doohan (cool) during all the action. Still looking for R2 D2, though.
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As I mentioned in an earlier posting I really was moved by the father-son theme in the movie… Some critics say this film lacks a deep ‘TREK’ philosophical bent and I find I have to disagree… worlds have been changed, built upon on the foundations of friendship… and as I said the father-son theme was very powerful.
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Kirk lost every fight in this film? on contrare… but with this being his first time “out there,” I will say it does seem he may slept through some of his Star Fleet Academy combat classes.
He will, of course , get better.
Go see the film (if you haven’t already)!
Bob, you are herby authorized to begin work on the sequel. AND…you are hereby *ordered* to whisper in JJ’s ear that virtually no one likes the Engine Room and that building a cool set for the new film is Priority One
Wow, what a great second-weekend gross! Congratulations to all concerned! Thoroughly deserving of its success.
Saw the film for the third time at the weekend – I enjoyed it most at this screening. Anyone who says this film isn’t Star Trek I think is wrong – the heart of it, about friendship, fate and destiny – is archetypal Trek. It may look a little different, it may be paced a more frenetically and it’s got a different directorial style to any of the other movies, but Roddenberry’s Trek is still there at its heart – and the new style simply brings in new audience.
I have to say I would like to see a sequel with a little more substance – that’s not a criticism of this film per se, as it’s perfect for relaunching the franchise and reintroducing the charcaters etc.
I wouldn’t want Khan tho – we’ve just had a villian who’s seeking vengeance for the death of his wife with a universe threatening weapon thank you very much! Something involving the Klingons perhaps…
#41: “Plus you should look into the recent issue of “Digital Production” with my ILM story in it…”
Thorsten, I know you are probably trying not to sound like you’re being self-serving tooting your horn, but please when you drop a note about something you’ve written elsewhere, please post a url or the name of the publication.
There are a lot of us out here who would LOVE to see the article or photospread to which you were referring. Yeah, I am a fan of yours.
Thanks..
Uh, When is “Nacelles Monthly’s” second issue coming out?
Uhura was not originally stationed at communications as a cadet (the scene with the tanks). She relieved some Lt. who screwed up and was promoted to communications. Cadets were placed “where ever” since it was an emergency deployment. Kirk found her at her cadet station amidst the tanks. Seen it twice, loved it, I can get past Engineering (did I love it? No.)
And re: sequels… New Civilizations and some new ideas. Can’t retread old trek movies for nostalgia’s sake. If you love Khan, do what I do, and watch the DVD. Let’s get some fresh new stuff now that we have a fresh new crew, ship and timeline… Boldly go (forward, not back)!
“It looks like in the end Star Trek will be a very strong performer in the US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Germany, with modest success in the rest of the world. It is likely that the new Star Trek will continue the pattern of past films in the franchise and make its lion’s share of money domestically. And apparently Paramount agrees.”
One thing I do worry about, and I don’t know what the percentage of the numbers is repeat business, but I would worry a bit if I were a Paramount bean counter and was reading that a significant portion of the business was repeat viewers.
If the goal of this film was to draw in a new audience, I wonder if the huge numbers we are readng about is a sign they suceeded.
And then, maybe it doesn’t matter at all as long as the business is good.
#277 “I can get past Engineering (did I love it? No.)”
To be honest, there’s not much screen time in the new movie for engineering (and Scotty), so I didn’t feel that something was really missing. In a sequel, Scotty and engineering will be surely more developed.
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Most people wouldn’t even know what a brewery looks like unless they’ve been to one or were told that it was.
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I told you to provide indisputable evidence that the Engineering set was due to budget constraints. You did not provide that evidence so just do us all a favor and admit that you were talking out your ass.
#16: “J.J. & Company I know you read this page… We need Khan for the next one. Maybe “The Rock” will play Khan he and Richaro have about the same chest.”
No, no, no!!!! We do not need to see a new film with Khan, or V’ger, Kruge nor General Chang!
What we need to see with new films is to either a) resolve the diverging altnernate time line; b) totally new stories, taking the franchise boldly forward or c) both.
Star Trek must not go back!!!
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I agree. Dredging up old stories would completely defeat the whole purpose of the alternate timeline/reboot thing.
I hope it continues to beat Angels & Demons… that film looks wretched judging from previews (although by my own admission I never trust previews).
@ BragaBermanLiveBeyondGrave – May 17, 2009
lmao.
well i’ve finally been to see the movie. i thought it was a good sci-fi film, but not what i love about star trek. i went with an open mind not entering with a pre negative view. but it didnt do it for me. i think it was the way the original actors made their parts come to life and the way they interacted with one another in the series and films that worked for me.i also cared about that universe so tng, ds9, voyager were good updates on that universe. so the new film for me didnt work. but thats ok i’ve got 40years of that star trek to indulge myself. i hope the new film does get a new audience that keep interested and i really do hope they get many years of pleasure from the new franchise. live long and prosper new trek.
I loved the movie. Here’s my gripes after seeing it. It’s an alternate timeline and the characters are now different, everything we know about Trek will be done over differently. Vulcan is gone. Engineering looks like a factory in the 20th century. I guess I have to embrace change, but hey Trek is back baby!
@276…
Thanks, Doug…
The bridge centerfold was published yesterday in Bild am Sonntag, ciculation 1.8 million…
http://thorstenwulff.com/BAMS.jpg
I talked with ILMs Roger Guyett and Michael DiComo,
that is published in Germany by Digital Production…
http://tinyurl.com/qneyhn
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I agree with your statement. I really don’t want to incite any debates or controversy, and I acknowledge that the designers took a lot of liberties with the look and feel of the 23rd century in this alternate version – some (like Enterprise’s gargantuan ~600m length) that make us wonder if they’d gone too far.
But despite all of this, I can’t help but swell with pride every time I check TrekMovie and see another headline telling us all about how well our -yes, ours, as I would wish to believe that the franchise we care so dearly about belongs to us all, and is our world, our story – movie has done in theaters.
It’s already been far more successful than I could ever have dreamed, and I remember the trepidation I felt when I first heard that they were making a new Star Trek movie and that it was going to be some sort of prequel/reboot. I felt then that if this movie failed, then Star Trek would lose an enormous amount of credibility as a long-lived, significant science fiction franchise, a loss that it might never recover from. It pained me then to see people bash our franchise because of the popular downturn it had suffered.
Now, I see people all around me – people who I could have sworn cared nothing for Star Trek before – talking eagerly and excitedly about how much they want to see the movie, and how interested they are in Star Trek now. Old friends and classmates who would rather have heard me talk about anything other than Trek are now coming to me asking me to tell them more about the world Gene created back in 1966. Star Trek merchandise is everywhere; even the toys are flying off the shelves at my local Target. I spent much of my childhood being insulted, belittled, and persecuted by most of my classmates – the so-called “cool” kids – for daring to like Star Trek, and I must tell you, I feel vindicated now.
Again, the movie is certainly nowhere near perfect, and there have been so many changes that we, the old-time fans who like to see in-universe continuity maintained, can find very hard to swallow; I guess that’s why the movie’s in a totally new continuity, so that even if we don’t like what we see, we can still say that at least it doesn’t affect the Trek that came before.
But I’m glad to accept it for what it is and what J.J. has done for us. Two years ago, our backs were to the wall in the mind’s eye of the general public, that chunk of the population with whom we’ve had such a turbulent (at best) relationship. Now, we’ve been given some room to breathe. I can only hope that we can continue to take advantage of it, and keep this amazing energy and resurgence of popularity going for many more years to come.
#281: and a great big OH HELL NO, no Sybock!!!
(grin)
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Incidentally, I feel one element that has been neglected that really add to the experience of this film is how sound played such an important role (way to go, Ben Burtt)!
The bits and pieces of sound from TOS were nice Easter eggs, but the sounds of going to warp, the sounds of phaser fire, the sounds of the Narada, the sounds of Vulcan’s death were so powerful! And the lack of sound (when a crewmember of the Kelvin was sucked out into open space, as pointed out in one review) also powerful.
I predict ST will take an Academy Award for sound and for SPFX for 2009.
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One thing I think is really cool about all of these passionate discussions are that they even exist. Can any of you see a website devoted to this kind of talk to other gnere films like say, “Up,Land of the Lost,” or “Wolverine?”
Unless I am just too limited, I just don’t see such passion about other genre films. Let it never be said that TREK fans don’t have strong opinions.
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I agree with your statement about it not being advisable for future sequels to retread old ground – although, I still think it’s not impossible for our new crew to encounter similar situations to those faced by their TOS counterparts. I won’t be surprised if folks like Khan Noonien Singh, Harcourt Fenton Mudd, the Organians, or even the Kelvans are still lurking around out there somewhere – things just, almost certainly, won’t happen in quite the same way they did in the Prime universe.
But now that we’ve gotten the world’s attention again, I think it’s high time to go back to doing what the Original Series did best: boldly imagine the look and feel of almost 260 years of progress and give our scientists and engineers a goal to shoot for, while continuing to use science fiction as a way to tell stories about the world we know and all its problems. Above all, it must continue to hold out a challenge to us, inspiring us to move forward, work toward solving our problems, and somehow find a way to grasp Roddenberry’s dream and make it real.
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I sincerely hope that Sybok somehow doesn’t exist in this universe. That was one idea in the Prime timeline that was almost as hard to swallow as making Ryan Church’s Enterprise at least 600 meters long!
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/05/17/could-we-see-khan-or-an-older-kirk-in-star-trek-sequels/#comment-150402
They are really “thinking”, JUST thinking about bringing Khan back.
If they want to bring back Khan for the Star Trek XII, then, they should NOT remake The Wrath of Khan.
It would be very interesting if they remade SPACE SEED, the episode of The Original Series in which Khan makes his first appearance.
Space Seed was a good episode for the series, but it never had the budget to achieve everything it wanted to do.
You could take Space Seed, remake it, turn it into a big movie and have that movie link directly with The Wrath of Khan.
That way, you can have Khan back, re-tell his “origin” story, not violate cannon and not step over what is widely considered to be the best Star Trek movie ever made.
TWoK has some of the best acting of the “original” Star Trek cast and an amazing performance from Ricardo Montalban.
Why step over that?
Sure, I would love to see TWoK re-told with today’s tech, but I’d never want to see other actors re-tell that story.
Here’s an idea for Paramount, re-make Space Seed into a big-budget movie and then, clean up and restore TWoK and re-release in theatres.
Just my 2 cents.
@289…
right, Doug.
The very introduction of the Kelvin was a sound design masterpiece.
The noises of something very huge slowing down, followed by radio signals from the bridge, while the camera was circling the ship and slowly panned out…
I think they shouldn’t do this whole Khan thing.
I think it’s time the Borg made an appearance…just think $200 million budget…borg technology…it’ll make terminator salvation look naff!
@13 “HATE being German”
Great, thats exactly what we Germans need… Why dont you leave Germany and go someplace else…Show some love for your country will you?
I said it before and I’ll say it again:
The movie could have done better if Paramounts marketing didn’t suck here in Germany. Anyway, I love the movie, watched it 4 times already, and I think Abram’s engine room looks more like TOS then any other engine room we saw…
#171
You say you could go on and on – you do . On and on and on…
Just like many of the way to wrapped up in the Trek universe fans tend to do.
Thank God or whatever that there are plenty of reasonable minds out there that enjoy Trek for it’s entertainment value along with a dose of social commentary without obsessing over minutia.
The movie was enjoyable.
Yes there were some plot holes – so what? Every Trek movie is full of them Every one.
Let’s get over it and move on, but we know that won’t happen. The goofy Trekkies will just muck around in their little fantasy world , and it will get a fresh jolt of disapointment when the next movie comes out.
@295…
interessant…
jetzt kommt auch noch eine patriotismusdebatte hinzu, hehe.
ZFT!
@Smike van Dyke
That’s not bad in Germany. You don’t want to hear about Poland :(
As far as the engineering is concerned – I like it. That’s the engineering! I don’t like the bridge though.
Well done crew!!. A&D only won by 5 mil…and only 5mil behind Wolverine!
200mil is definatley in sight!!…Seen it 5 times now…Let’s terminate Terminator and make it a nightmare of the museum!!. 200 MILLION!!
make it so!!!… word of mouth people!!
spoiler….
has anyone found R2 yet?…
did anyone notice the Vulcan ship in the Narada as Spock was piloting the jellyfish out?….COOL!
@295 “Abram’s engine room looks more like TOS then any other engine room we saw”
Then I think we saw a different TOS :D But enough has been hashed about the engine room. ‘Tis what it is.
I’ve seen a few comments here about “resetting the timeline…” but understand something – I just went to my living room, opened up my DVD cabinet, and guess what – all the TOS episodes and movies are still there! They didn’t disappear like the McFly family in Back to the Future. They’re still there! (okay, okay, sarcasm light off).
I didn’t notice until just recently the discussions about the supposed length of the Abrams Enterprise. Before we get too wrapped up in any discussions of proportions, keep in mind the same arguments came after the early showings of ST:TMP thirty years ago, scale was wrong, perspectives were wrong, etc. That TMP Enterprise (”the Wise Enterprise”?) was huge as well – consider how small that travel pod carrying Kirk and Scotty was. If it were, say, ten feet in diameter (which is conservative), that implied the Enterprise was probably 1,000 feet long!
The point is not to try to establish a “real” dimension for the Enterprise, but to point out that *debates* over its “actual” size and dimension are kinda pointless…
239. somethoughts
Can we please cast an Indian actor in the role of a Sikh this time around? I was thinking maybe Naveen Andrews, because of his familiarity with JJ through Lost. Oh, and the guy can act, too.
O-kay…
For those who complain about the engine room – it’s entirely plausible that the ship left for its first mission with the engine room incomplete. The next mission may see all the pipes and stuff hidden behind walls or partitions.
For those who want to re-make Khan – NO! This is a new universe, and a new set of adventures awaits. Don’t remake the past.
For those who complain about the dimensions of the Enterprise – like #300 said, the debate is kind of pointless. The whole goal here is to enjoy the movie, not nit-pick it to death. Geez.
I was very pleased with the movie overall, but I just put my finger on what I felt was “wrong” with it – the very end of the movie was too evocative of Galaxy Quest! I mean, come on, every Trek movie has the Enterprise warping away – why couldn’t we just have a beauty shot at the end? (Okay, Nemesis had the big E in dry dock, but that’s different – that movie was crap.) J. J. Abrams, Bob Orci, Alex Kurtzman, Damon Lindelof, et.al., if you’re lurking/watching/reading, do this for a change – have the second movie NOT end on a warp-out shot for a change, okay?
Do not remake the classics! Please find your own niche in future films.
Hmmm… a kind of remake of space seed might work, if (in the new timeline) Kirk and Crew don’t find the Botany Bay, instead Khan is found by another ship who aren’t quite as smart or as Lucky as the Enterprise crew, Khan gets his ship and starts to building an army (to return to Earth?) and has to go head to head with kirk at some point.
I guess that would be somwhere between space Seed and TWOK.
I could live with that, but who do you get to replace Ricardo Montalban?
Perhaps what we saw of the engine room are the areas that we would normally find people working. I doubt if anyone can loiter around in the warp core, as it’s probably shielded and as such (in the new timeline) is hidden away from view.
As long as Spock Prime lives, why should he let the Enterprise run into Khan to start that vicious cycle again? A cycle that got him killed?
Hallelujah I am pleasantly surprised at how well star trek is doing at the box office. I am so happy this movie is doing so well. Its giving star trek a new lease on life, its bringing more people into the fold especially people who never though they would like star trek. For the most part all the fans are happy, and this success rate has just sealed the deal for another movie, I can imagine how happy the paramount executives are, dancing around the offices spraying JJ with Dom Perignon.
I don’t care about a TV show until I have seen a few more of these. Yes I want a new TV show as well but don’t jump the gun on a good thing. It fantastic that this movie is doing so well, lets make another. There were 4 films before we had another TV series. I think the TV series need a bit of a dry spell before they do it again. But I would be smart about it, I hear Lucas might be doing a live action Star Wars TV series.
I had no problem with engineering because MAIN engineering was where Kirk was talking to Uhura with his swollen hands. Those big glowing cylinders. Yes there is an engineering with dirty pipes and machinery but people forget there is a MAIN engineering and that is a the control center. Scotty has crawled around enough pipes and Jefferies tubes before..give me a break. Although I would admit I would like to see and nice actual warp core, glowing and swirling with all that plasma.
Everyone, just my two cents but asking for Khan in the next one is not the way to go — we want NEW MATERIAL. There will NEVER be another TWOK. After seeing what Abrams, Orci and Kurzman are capable of, I can’t wait to see what they come up with next. We don’t need Khan–we need a great story.
Oh–and please, a new. modern engine room. Please?
@ 151…what was Randy Pausch’s line and scene? I’ve been looking for him and can never catch him. I heard it was on the Kelvin…but it must happen fast. (Like everything else in that scene!)
The “engine room” that everyone is so obsessed about was more than just an engine room. That room handled all the “plumbing” on the ship as well.
I mean, how does a star ship process everything else necessary for a crew of several hundred? What about water, air, waste etc.? In reality, a ship like that would be even more comlpicated.
#310 – Read the TNG Tech Manual; we covered all of that. :) Granted, it was a later time, but the principles are the same.
@311…
I loved that book, Rick!
Adobe Illustrator all the way!
#311: Rick Sternbach: Might we have your take on the design approach to this film?
Sunday estimates say Star Trek beat Angels & Demons on Sunday as well (I think ST was already estimated to beat it on Saturday)…total weekend estimates now have Star Trek within $3.5 million of Angels & Demons… (mostly due to A&D’s estimates falling)
http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm
Actually I believe Paramount can be right. I extrapolated the box office data from both Iron Man and Batman Begins (since ST seems to be following those two movies patterns) and applied to ST, and in both cases ST ends its run with around $250M domestically. It should surpass TSFS ($163M adjusted) in some point during week 3, then surpass TWOK ($192M adjusted) in week 4, then TVH ($212M adjusted) by week 5 and finally beat TMP ($240M adjusted) by week 7 or 8.
Future films should be new stories not remakes
It is now a clear fact, following the remarkable success of Star Trek09, that JJ & Co. were right. Something needed to be done about the fading franchise, and the Supreme Court did it by delivering a marvelous film. Surely, if those who did all the bitching and moaning held a dominant position (world-wide, even), ST09 would be a flop, and the word-of-mouth would not have brought people into the theater but, rather, kept them away. I am satisfied that Star Trek is in capable hands.
As for the future, I think it’s rather a waste of time making specific suggestions about what the next film should be about. It is one thing to suggest something like, “I’d like to see more of McCoy in the next film,” and quite another to say, “The next film should be about Khan, or this or that…” Quite frankly, I’m glad Orci and Kurtzman really did their own thing with this film, and I’m looking forward to seeing what they do next. We know that Orci frequents these boards, and I’m sure he gets a good idea of what fans like and don’t like, but he is also a Trekkie who, no doubt, has his own likes and dislikes. The primary difference is that HE is the writer. Would anyone have suggested what songs Lennon & McCartney should write? Why would anyone suggest Orci & Kurtzman should write a certain movie?
#300: The original Enterprise (TOS) was established in the series at about 1000 feet long. ST:TMP got it right in that regard. : )
Visually it looks like this new ship is about 1100 to 1300 feet long, mainly due to the nacelles.
Rick Sternbach:
Love you work. I just wanted to say the Ambassador Class is my second favorite starship class, right behind Andrew Probert’s Constitution Refit.
#268
“#259. Ask & you shall receive. Perhaps you haven’t checked the box office rankings. A&D has already earned $152,300,000 worldwide against a principle budget of $150 million. So in ONE weekend, A&D has already earned back it’s principle budget, which took Trek two weekends to accomplish. Or is the USA all that matters?”
In the head of most studio execs, yes, the USA is the most important market. Foreign is usually secondary. But in the end, money is money.
As for making its budget back, weren’t you the one that reminded us all of promotional costs? By that token, I think A&D still has a way to go. They may not have spent the $150 mil that Paramount did on ST, but I guarantee you they spent at least $100 mil.
“Anyway, so happy I provided you an opportunity to gloat at least domestically. While it is true A&D did not quash Trek domestically, it did beat it overall. However, Trek’s numbers did take a 50% dive, except for Saturday where it was only 1/3 below last week, meanwhile Wolverine held tough. Trek is still scraping by in the foreign market, which is really going to have to improve.”
The drop was 43%, not 50%. As many trade mags have pointed out, that’s actually pretty stellar (and well above many other comparable genre films).
But really I was just having a bit of fun with you RD. You have to admit, you were *really* insistent about A&D blowing Trek out of the water, and frankly, it was a less than impressive showing, especially for a film that was created with a much wider audience in mind. The #’s indicate it actually lost to Trek on Saturday & Sunday, when it should have pulverized it. Overall, it’s more or less an even keel, and A&D is likely to plummet next week (at least in the US) when word-of-mouth gets out on just how ridiculous it is. I suspect it will suffer far worse than a mere 43% drop.
“The only point I ever tried to make is that Trek’s numbers were going to suffer next to A&D and they did, though not as bad as Wolverines’. I never said Trek did not have legs and it wasn’t going to do well. But it also did not hit $200 million either, which many folks were predicting early last week. This is the week to watch as Trek opens in Asia and goes up against Terminator.”
Yes, but you have to admit you seemed quite confident that the film would show poorly alongside competition, and so far it’s weathered the storm quite well. And most papers are now reporting that it did, indeed, surpass $200 ($212, according to most sources).
I think Terminator is much more fearsome competition, so I agree with you there. Though, if that original ending McG talked about is any indication, the whole thing could be really awful.
I’ve never been under the delusion that Trek would beat either picture, as far as final grosses were concerned. Only that it would make Batman Begins money (and it looks to be on a steady track to do so as it has already beaten BB domestically). You’ve indicated the movie would have to make $600 million to be profitable or guarantee an equal budget for a sequel, and that’s really what I disagree with. Profitable and making back all costs are really two different things in studio talk. They’re trying to resuscitate the Star Trek corpse in terms of the franchise, and it looks as though they have. This film has surpassed expectations for Paramount, and I guarantee you they’ll allot a similar budget for the inevitable sequel.
160. Prime Universe’s Sela and Remans are still alive, if you go by the detailed outlined on this website re: STO.
re: the Narada (according to ST: Countdown), it’s beefed up with post 2381 Borg technology. That said, I also agree that having it taken out by Klingons and presumably held in their possession for 25 yrs. is highly improbable (to say the least), and I hope this remains only in the ‘Deleted Scenes’ portion of the BluRay/DVD. Maybe Nero was bored for all that time and decided to self mutilate himself [vs being tortured by Klingons]?
In ADF’s novelization, the Narada appears as if it’s being constantly expanded upon by Nero’s crew. Not sure what THAT’s all about, but 25 yrs. is a long time to just hang out and wait for Spock Prime to show up.
#171—-”…Kirk magically goes from cadet to captain and doesn’t get years of experience serving on other ships – like the Farragut, where he was supposed to meet Ben Finney ”
That would be the USS Republic….not the Farragut.
“Kirk never served aboard the Republic under Captain Garrovick in the ‘Alternate Universe’ ”
Once again, that would be the USS Farragut….not the Republic.
“…the ‘Alternate Reality’ of the movie changes a hell of a lot more than people might imagine.”
I don’t think it “changes” anything, but it does preclude the same things happening again (in the altered timeline) in the same manner in many instances.
#174—”Good point about Kirk’s lack of experience and networking. In the old universe there were many officers who mentored him. Now it seems a lot more people might just resent him.”
That could very well be true, but I don’t think they would openly do so, since his actions did prevent the destruction of Earth, help allow the preservation of the “essence” of Vulcan culture, and stop the Narada from destroying the rest of the planets in the Federation (as was Nero’s stated intention).
Still, you’re absolutely right in that resentment would be the natural inclination for some people who feel that he was unjustly and prematurely rewarded with permanent command of the Enterprise.
And even the “Prime” Kirk dealt with resentment.
Remember Ben Finney? Janice Lester?
I don’t think it could get any worse than that!
You uber nerds need a rest. Even in the 23rd century you need water to drink, cool, flush toilets. Or did you think a starship had chemical toliets?
Or a crew man takes out his phaser after a dump and vaporizes his turd?
Or a phnuematic tube system that ejects the waste into space?
I’m amazed at all the calls for revisiting Khan and the Borg, et al. Seriously, let’s have the new team do something original. The Borg would be a terrible cop out IMO, and Khan was done. No need to go there again.
I for one don’t see the film serious as an opportunity to retell old stories. POINTLESS…
Doug L.
#320 – There’s a real “need” on this forum to hold people to the LETTER of what they wrote. If I wrote that A&D was going to blow Trek out of the water, well it did, at least worldwide. However, more to the point, I was responding to the general chatter on the forum that DVC and A&D were terrible films that nobody would want to watch and therefore, Trek was going to trounce. A&D did very well domestically, but not as well as Trek did or even DVC (which had no real competition when it opened). I haven’t seen A&D and given how much money it made worldwide, not to mention DVC’s $750 mil, your OPINION that it is “ridiculous” is just that, your opinion. I happened to have enjoyed DVC and I enjoyed the A&D book, so unless the movie is far worse than DVC, then I suspect I will enjoy it as well. ALSO, A&D may well find its audience later. Films like these are “thinking” films which don’t tend to drive the kinds of opening night box-office that Summer action “popcorn” films do, nor does it have repeat business that fan-franchises do. Numerous people on this forum alone have already seen Trek 6-8 times or more. Though given A&D’s poor performance vis-a-vis DVC, it is not likely to be real competition for Trek, though it may well beat Wolverine which I think has had its day. Nevertheless, A&D may go on to clobber Trek worldwide and your secondary assessment is correct, it does not matter which box-office does the best for the studios because money is money. Though, to some degree US box office matters for ancillary sales like DVD which tend to do better in the more affluent US. Whether that will continue to be the case after the current financial crisis remains to be seen.
As for Terminator, “fearful” is not a word I would use to describe competition. In skimming over this very thread, I am finding the same kinds of ridiculous “competition” posts that I’ve seen throughout the forum over the last week (#283 & #299 in particular). Enthusiasm is one thing, but really, WHY does Trek have to “beat” any other movies at this point? By all logic, Trek has already had its “BLOCKBUSTER” weekend and duplicating that success another weekend is highly unlikely. Terminator, I can definitely say will open huge. It might even beat Trek’s opening numbers. Since there have been no reviews, who knows what kind of legs it will have. But seriously, why compete against it? Trek has had its moment in the sun and so far has proven it has legs.
I don’t disagree that I have inflated the ultimate recoupment numbers somewhat, and overstated the importance to funding an equal sequel, mainly to make a point. Certainly Trek has shown that if done correctly that it can pull an audience. But ST:iV had already show that. Adjusted for inflation and theaters it did almost as well as this movie and MUCH better than this one compared to budget spent. But Trek is by no means in the home stretch and the foreign numbers have to improve, hopefully Japan and Mexico will turn the tide as well as the positive reviews in Europe to expand its take over its run. On the other hand, the earlier Trek movies did no better foreign and Paramount made 10 films. Nevertheless, I think you are right. Without knowing the exact profit participation between Paramount and CBS with respect to the Trek TV catalogue, the fact remains, Paramount no longer has an active Trek franchise, short of the DVD market of mostly unpopular films. I think even if this film did not hit $200 million, there would have been a sequel for that reason alone. But unless this movies clears $300 worldwide, Paramount is not likely to invest quite as much in the next venture (after all, it is not their money in the first place, but investors who are looking for a profit).
re 136
“I would hope CBS would allow Direct to DVD stories instead of a TV show. I don’t think a show would make it in todays world.”
While I don’t know how I feel about a new Trek TV Show just yet… I’d like to remind people here, that Abrams has a deal to create new shows, and most of his shows have been hits. Lost, Fringe… adopting a format like Lost to Trek would be great. Real Space Opera, real character development, complex story arcs. It could be great.
The only reason I think they’ll hold off, is there is still a lot of TV Trek fatigue. Despite the movies success, I think they may want to let it soak in before launching a series.
Doug L.
My personal preference is that a potential sequel should turn to an original story idea.
However, nothing really precludes a revisitation at some point of the Khan character.
ST09 ends in 2258, so the SS Botany Bay remains out there, with its passengers suspended by cryogenic freeze. In “Space Seed”, the Enterprise encounters the Botany Bay in a sector which has not been visited by any Federation ships for many years. Theoretically, the Enterprise (or any other ship, for that matter) could find the Botany Bay at any point.
It would be a convoluted stretch to suggest that the Enterprise finds her, but given the fatalistic point of view of the Universe that Orci and company seem to embrace—-who knows?
On the other hand, another Starfleet vessel could encounter the BB too, fall victim to being overtaken by Khan and his followers, and Kirk could have to defeat them subsequently in a ship-to-ship battle that culminates in Kirk and Khan personally dueling it out on the surface of a planet that Khan has chosen to claim as his own.
Again, I’m really not enamoured with the idea of yet another encounter with an epic villain, but if any of them were to be revisited at all—-Khan and Kor would be obvious choices.
If the sequel does include a villain, perhaps at least the Enterprise can be interrupted from doing what it is actually supposed to be doing—-exploring strange new worlds, etc. in order to deal with him/her.
This may have already been mentioned, but the webcomic “Theater Hopper” has a funny set of strips devoted to Trek09.
Start with this link then advance forward using the single right arrow:
http://www.theaterhopper.com/2009/05/06/the-planet-of-lonely-housewives/
#327 & 136 – CBS is not likely interested in a direct to DVD scenario because Paramount distributes their DVDs. Not sure of the profit structure, but the only way CBS makes 100% is with TV.
Abrams has a deal with WB Television. It is unlikely CBS/Paramount would let him produce it for them. With Sci-Fi numbers currently dwindling on TV (including LOST), CBS is unlikely to seek to produce a Trek series for anyone under the current climate of budget cutting and reality show successes of which it primarily enjoys, especially with a different team than the box-office successes. Also a series would be competition with the box-office which Paramount might not allow as it rebuilds its in-house franchise and catalogue of Trek, plus, much of the success of the film can be attributed to the incredible action sequences and special effects only present in $150 million dollar Summer blockbusters. One of the reasons why Trek ultimately failed on TV was due to the limited budgets and requirements that ensured the shows be mostly talking heads, at least for a wide audience.
TO all those oddly defying established facts:
The new ship is 734 meters long. NOT the same size as the old E
700 is not the same as 300.
Once again in case you missed it – Cannonically Established by JJ’s production company
I thought people would be happy Kirk has the biggest ship. Do some of you have Picard envy??
#328 – well JJ Abrams seems to think re-visiting Kahn would be lots of fun:
JJ ABRAMS SAID:
“”Believe me, whether it’s William Shatner or Khan … it would be ridiculous to not be open to those ideas … It’ll be fun to hear what Alex and Bob are thinking about Khan … the fun of this timeline is arguing that different stories, with the same characters, could be equally if not more compelling than what’s been told before … Khan and Kirk exist – and while their history may not be exactly as people are familiar with, I would argue that a person’s character is what it is. …I wouldn’t rule out anything,”
SO WHATEVER ABRAMS DOES, I’m sure it will be every bit as satisfying (if not confusing) as this film.
CLOSETTREKKER WROTE:
“another Starfleet vessel could encounter the BB too, fall victim to being overtaken by Khan and his followers, and Kirk could have to defeat them subsequently in a ship-to-ship battle”
UMMMM. ISN’T THAT TWOK? ;-)
I think Trek is highly unlikely to be reintroduced on television anytime soon.
Perhaps after Paramount has released what is likely to be a series of three Star Trek feature films with this cast, there might be some interest on the part of CBS in doing so—-but unlikely with the cast of the film(s) currently portraying the original characters.
However, if CBS can redress some of the existing sets from the film(s), it isn’t exactly out of the question for them to (at some point down the road) introduce a series featuring another crew post ST13 (and John Cho might even be humble enough to play Sulu in command of the Excelsior).
Who knows what a television series might be able to accomplish with CGI by that time?
For now, expect two more films and alot of novels, comics, videogames, etc. in the meantime.
I won’t hold my breath for a new tv series.
#312 et al – I wish it was Adobe Illustrator all the way; most of the component drawings were rapidograph ink on frosted mylar. Mike Okuda’s diagrammatic stuff was Illustrator, and looking back, I’m sure we could have done tons more, but I still happy with the book.
As far as the manual might relate to the new Enterprise plumbing, it was always our intent beginning even with TMP to put almost everything in the walls, but still make it all *accessible*. Power and gases and fluids conduits and subsystems, computers, the works. I wish to hell homes were built that way; I wouldn’t get so pissed off at plumbing and electric stuff in my house. My dad was an architect, so I know something about this (and if I ever build a new house, boy, will I do things differently while trying to stay within code!). I give JJ and Co. points for *trying* the brewery thing, but it doesn’t work stylistically, structurally, mechanically, and maybe a few other ways. I have absolutely no idea how the warp reactor works, if indeed there is one. I have no idea what the ejected nodules are, though if someone from the production asked me, I could work it out for them; I think they’re just guessing at this point, and they’re probably safe with 99.99% of the audience, because the audience doesn’t know this stuff, either. The audience doesn’t -have- to know the material coming out of the gate, but the terminology and technology and science had better stand up to -some- level of examination for those who want to learn more (like the best medical, political, detective, or military shows), otherwise the end product is little more than a popcorn flick with a dash of Trek flavoring. Maybe for the sequel they’ll install the engineering compartment walls and bulkheads and we’ll get to see the reactor core. :)
BTW, “Disillusion” over on the TrekBBS has really nailed the argument for the 725m nu Enterprise. The evidence is terrific and seems to confirm what even the production company has made available (though they still haven’t officially “shouted it from the rooftops” so folks can stop fiddling with it). I commented that there’s no real reason why Starfleet couldn’t have built a ship that big, or even fly it up off the ground (missed opportunity for the movie), but I just found the size to be odd because of the squint-at-it stylistic and proportional similarities to the 1701 Refit.
326:
“…the fact remains, Paramount no longer has an active Trek franchise, short of the DVD market of mostly unpopular films”
I think I read somewhere that PP paid CBS a flat fee for the rights to another film after CBS asked if they intended to produce another “Trek” film.
I wouldn’t call the 10 Trek films “mostly unpopular,” just already owned by those who want them. The new film may ignite some new interest.
“Paramount is not likely to invest quite as much in the next venture (after all, it is not their money in the first place, but investors who are looking for a profit).”
The investors are represented by a Board of Directors who approve a CEO, who is supposed to be qualified to authorize his company’s annual projects and budgets. Paramount provides a range of products, and is in the process of rebuilding its tentpole strategy. Iron Man and IJ4 are smashes, and they’re looking at rebooting BH Cop as well.
“Star Trek” has brought Paramount some great PR value because it’s “good.” And you can bet that the ‘Rotten Tomatoes’ tally will figure into their 2009 annual report for Star Trek. A sequel is a given.
The one issue I fear is that, once it’s said and done, PP & CBS will sit on their laurels and ‘Trek’ will go into its usual hibernation for a few years while the sequel is debated and made. It will lose momentum in the market. “Iron Man” is now a hip new kids’ cartoon, keeping the flame alive. Clone Wars (not so hip) also serves as a running ad for the Star Wars property. My last trip to Wal-Mart in late April saw loads of Iron Man, X-Men and Star Wars stuff, but zero Trek.
Do it right this time.
Just finished reading ADF’s novelisation
Unbelievably bad IMHO. Anyone else have any thoughts?
#332—”UMMMM. ISN’T THAT TWOK? ;-)”
Actually, that would be a fusion of “Space Seed” and TWOK with a twist. The whole “revenge” element wouldn’t be present, obviously, and the whole “aging” thing would be absent as well.
And again, my preference would be for an original story idea. However, if there is going to be a revisitation of an old (new) foe—-it is tough to envision a better one than Khan.
I’ll admit that it would be entertaining to see what Abrams and company could do with that concept, but if they were to ask me (and they haven’t :) ), I would suggest that there is a whole universe for them to play in within the altered timeline, and no need to rehash an old story—no matter how tempting.
I wish the next movie would focus on exploration but every time anyone tries to write about exploration it turns out to be dull as shit [TMP], or a rehash of Forbidden Planet where thoughts are reflected by whatever anomaly the explorer is studying[Solaris, Sunshine, Event Horizon].
If they decide to do exploration I hope its original and fun. Otherwise I’d like to see a memorable villain- like the old Khan from Space Seed, the guy who quickly scanned their computers and was instantly up to speed on their technology and political situation. I can imagine him taking over another ship, maybe even a planet, other than his obsession for conquest I don’t know where they would go with the character, but it’d be fun to watch a new take on an old classic, much like this movie was.
And of course, no need for Khan, despite being of “superior” intellect and quite literate, to confuse ‘The Art Of War’ with any “Klingon proverbs”…
:)
#325: “I’m amazed at all the calls for revisiting Khan and the Borg, et al.”
I agree that it’s distressing.
“Seriously, let’s have the new team do something original.”
Well, let’s hope they know how. This movie was already a cut-and-paste collage from previous Trek films (and to those talking about doing Khan: didn’t they just DO that? Nero was a watered down Khan himself, nothing more and a good deal less).
#325 AJ WROTE: “I think I read somewhere that PP paid CBS a flat fee for the rights to another film after CBS asked if they intended to produce another “Trek” film.”
The deal between CBS & Paramount is extremely complicated and I’m not sure the exact internal arrangement is public knowledge. It is further complicated because National Amusements owns a controlling interest in both Viacom and CBS, which on the surface seem to have a mutual interest in serving each other as two divisions of one company. So as far as the feature licensing deal, if that is the arrangement, would surely cover an entire series of films with options, like most Hollywood deals.
The fact that CBS has announced that it is entering into feature films with its first $50 million feature starting Harrison Ford is somewhat alarming and depending on its success, might signal its intent to take over exploiting its own catalogues in features, though I am not entirely sure what rights Paramount retained vis-a-vis the underlying rights of the catalogues it sold to CBS.
It is also unclear to me whether Paramount participates in the licensing and merchandising with respect to its own TV-based films. Whatever the answer I’m sure it’s grossly overcomplicated.
#338—”I wish the next movie would focus on exploration but every time anyone tries to write about exploration it turns out to be dull as shit [TMP]”
I happen to like TMP a great deal (and compared to 2001:ASO, TMP might as well be ‘Raiders Of The Lost Ark’), although I agree that it was perceived as dull by most moviegoers.
But it was hardly focused upon exploration of anything but the human condition, IMO. None of the 6 original films featured the bulk of the original characters on any such mission.
TMP—key characters are compelled out of retirement (and in Kirk’s case, the Admiralty) to (at least on the surface) deal with an imminent threat to the planet Earth.
TWOK—key characters are on a training mission (although Chekov is technically assigned to a ship that is doing scientific research).
TSFS—key characters are resolving issues left over from the previous film.
TVH—key characters, in addition to continuing to resolve issues in an ongoing story arc, are once again dealing with an imminent threat to Earth.
TFF (aka TGTTO89)—key characters are on leave, and asked to deal with a political situation that turns into a “hostage” crisis (and an abhorrent storyline).
TUC—key characters (geritol in tow) are called to act in a diplomatic capacity. At least Sulu is on an (admittedly dull task of charting gaseous anomalies) exploration-like mission.
It would be nice to see Bad Robot successfully pull off going where no other Trek film has gone before—–but again—-I wouldn’t hold my breath.
We’ll see.
#334
Rick, while I too have issues with a brewery set, I also had issues for years with the way engineering was portrayed in Trek. While I will give you from a architecture standpoint, covering everything up is nice, from a engineering one, its a very poor choice, especially on machinery which needs to be worked on a lot (and for whatever reason it ALWAYS seems that Starfleet vessels need to be worked on a LOT)
The engineering sections are not nice places, they have pipes and cables and wires all over the place and can be very dangerous for the non-engineer to walk through. And this isnt something that will likely ever change as it has yet to change even now.
While its obvious the brewery was used to cut production costs, the concept I think is so much closer to what the real engineering section of a starship will look like as opposed to the gorgeous but impractical sets Trek has used in the past.
No offense meant by this, just my opinion.
233. SChaos1701 – May 17, 2009
232: I know. I wish the haters would come back and say something…especially my favorite, Databrain.
One of my favorites though was this guy saying that Simon Pegg did a terrible job and that Jimmy Doohan was rolling in his grave or some tripe like that. Chris Doohan posts basically that this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about and this guy suddenly changes his tone. It was too funny…rofl.
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233 and 232,
Databrain may have changed his tone, but I have not.
I really watched this New trek film, unlike many who comments seem like they had their popcorn bucket on their heads as they watch it. The Trek Things aside, The Film was a bad film. The film had many plot holes, The look was cheap ($140million where?), The movie plot is built on a chain of coincidences, many Story errors, FX errors (like Scotty saying eject one warp core. But what we see is five or six pods that are jettisoned), many Filming errors and many more problems.
Now, if you throw in the Trek Things (without canon stuff) like dramatic weight, social relevance, or a cleverly constructed narrative, science, smart and so on. This new film fails.
This new trek film was more like a re-make of Space Mutiny. Hell, the new film even had an actual waterworks as engineering like Space Mutiny. Chris Pine looks more and acts more like a young David Ryder from Space Mutiny then Kirk.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Space+Mutiny&aq=f
Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman had stolen from a film which was on Mystery Science Theater 3000 before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_(2005_film)#Lawsuit
#344—”Databrain may have changed his tone, but I have not.”
Big surprise.
“I really watched this New trek film, unlike many who comments seem like they had their popcorn bucket on their heads as they watch it.”
I suppose the hundreds of reviews by mainstream critics who have also seen the film are also the result of the movie being seen with popcorn buckets on the heads of the audience members…hmm?
344
You’re entitled to your opinion….as wrong as I think it is.
#346—-As wrong as most of the moviegoing public in the U.S. thinks it is!
But alas, this movie was never going to please everyone….and it hasn’t. No matter what they did, it would have taken a miracle to do that.
And I would imagine that even if you took all of the people who read and post here and asked them to review *any* film—no matter how critically acclaimed or popular—you could still not get a unanimous opinion as to whether it was good or bad.
That’s just the nature of the beast.
347
I think most of these people just want to hate because they’re so close minded and want to cling to their “canon” that it’s almost affected them mentally. There’s a reason we’re not the ones writing the new movies. We don’t have the skills to make it successful. Well at least not me. This should be an extremely happy time for Star Trek but the “Vocal Minority” keeps trying to rain the our parade and it gets really really annoying.
#343 – No prob; we talk, we discuss. The connection between Trek and naval vessels says that we’ll probably -have- to be able to adjust and repair impulse and warp engines “in flight,” up to a certain point. Brand new fresh warp coils can’t be forged on board; that’s a factory process. But I would hope that short of phaser-torching big plasma conduits and welding them together in other configs, we really ought to be able to take all of the complicated piping and signal paths and valves and put them in the walls, under computer or manual electric control. Do refurbishments and upgrades in dock. Even though the space shuttle main engines run for only about nine minutes at a time, all of the plumbing is in the aft compartment and it’s all run by computer. Nobody’s twiddling with handwheels, and because of the assumed thousands of decisions per second required, I imagine a warp-capable vessel will have to run the same way. No organic life form will be able to adjust warp plasma injectors (and thus warp field intensity and symmetry) or coolant flow or plasma exhaust fast enough.
I just want to see a glowy reactor. Is that so wrong? :D
As a former naval officer, you would be surprised how little engine rooms have changed in appearance over the last 100 years. The maxim applies: if it ain’t broke, why fix it? Don’t forget there’s a lot of auxiliary systems that have to be supported by engineering that isn’t all about just the warp drive; fire suppression, water for the crew (don’t you think it’s easier to synthesize this in one central location then pipe it out, rather than duplicate engineering effort and have a million things across all decks), sewage, etc.
BTW, just to add – we have automatic and computer controlled valves now. That still doesn’t mean we put them behind false bulkheads/walls. These things are subject to wear and tear, and have to be replaced/fixed constantly.
348. SChaos1701 – May 18, 2009
I think most of these people just want to hate because they’re so close minded and want to cling to their “canon” that it’s almost affected them mentally.
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This hate for the new film has none thing to do with canon.
The new film is just a bad trek movie.
I like said before: “The Trek Things aside, The Film was a bad film. The film had many plot holes, The look was cheap ($140million where?), The movie plot is built on a chain of coincidences, many Story errors, FX errors (like Scotty saying eject one warp core. But what we see is five or six pods that are jettisoned), many Filming errors and many more problems. Now, if you throw in the Trek Things (without canon stuff) like dramatic weight, social relevance, or a cleverly constructed narrative, science, smart and so on. This new film fails.”
SChaos1701,
I think people like yourself just want to love the new film because they are so mentally stunned and want to cling to “anything with Star Trek in the title” like toddlers with Comfort objects (security blankets or a teddy bear). Some Trek-fans need to grow-up and let go of their “trek” security blankets.
#342 – Yup That sums it up pretty good, but the next four TNG era films didn’t fare much better:
GEN – TOS Key cast performing PR duties during a training mission and receive a distress call. TNG Key cast apparently on leave, receive a distress call then thwarts the destruction of a planet (perhaps the most altruistic of all them in that it was the least self-serving by protecting another world).
FC – Key cast is patrolling the Neutral Zone, then violates orders to save Earth from the Borg.
INS – Key cast is in the midst of a war, called away to be diplomats and then breaks orders to save another world. Picard even muses directly: “Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers?” Way to hang a lantern on it Picard!
NEM – The Key cast is once again on leave, and the ship is assigned on yet another diplomatic mission and *yawn* then finds they must yet again save Earth from an insane Romulan bent on revenge to ultimately save Romulus. Hmmmm, where have I heard that plot before?
Ultimately, how does one do a simple exploratory episode on the big screen? Why would Paramount allow a script to come to fruition that did not at least feature a similar formula to this one that saved Trek and performed so well? Any new film must have an abundance of action, both terrestrial and space, with lots of explosions and a fast moving storyline. By definition, exploration is a very slow thing. A biographic film about the very compelling story of Admiral Byrd going to the South Pole doesn’t need the VFX budget of Trek, so doesn’t need to make as much money or be as exciting to be made. Trek does.
Even in the series, very few of Trek’s episodes were built around a purely exploratory mission. Of those that were, none of them rank in the top favorites that come to mind. In fact most of those considered in the top 10 deal with the key characters conducting diplomatic assignments or other “distress” related events. Of all the episodes on the lists, “The Enemy WIthin” comes the closest and an exploration that results in dramatic consequences. But those events are hardly exciting enough for a $150 million film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series#Best_episodes
Of the episodes that specifically dealt with exploration, I’d start it with this list, none of which are particularly feature film material, at least not in the vein of Trek:
WNHGB
Enemy WIthin
Corbomite
Shore Leave
Galileo 7
Archons
Who mourns For Adonis
The Apple
Catspaw
Immunity Syndrome
Return To Tomorrow
By Any Other Name
Omega Glory
Paradise Syndrome
Spectre of the Gun
Plato’s Stepchildren
Wink of an Eye
That Which Survives
Savage Curtain
For those of you afraid of Sybok coming back, the odd’s are he did not make it off Vulcan….
352
“I think people like yourself just want to love the new film because they are so mentally stunned and want to cling to “anything with Star Trek in the title” like toddlers with Comfort objects (security blankets or a teddy bear). Some Trek-fans need to grow-up and let go of their “trek” security blankets.”
Oh no. Hims insulted me. I’m such a toddler and uneducated. I only have 3 degrees and 1 advanced degree. I’ve only been published twice. I’ve only taught film history class. I’m being told what’s what by a maladjusted nerd who nitpicks the “accuracy” of a FICTITIOUS film. You’re sad.
My bet is for 180-185 million by the end of Memorial Day (the 25th) and 200 million by the end of May, in the USA. Overseas is gonna be a much tougher sell, though. I’d be happy if it is at $125 million by the end of May on the international circuit, but that may be pushing it. I do think it’ll probably squeeze out $400 million worldwide before it’s done in the theaters….then there’s the home video market to come. I like this movie, it’s exciting!!!
ANGELS AND DEMONS was adjusted DOWN about $1.8 million in final numbers!!
STAR TREK beat A&D on SATURDAY AND SUNDAY!!
#350-351 – Oh, I have no doubt that present-day gear has to be out in the open and needs to be repaired, but I’m also comfy with the way engineering spaces were portrayed in STEnterprise, which I assume remains in the history accepted by the new movie.
353
Great list of episodes. For my money, the best of them would be the Immunity Syndrome, but then I’m a biologist so that stuff makes me go apeshit crazy- “Antiiiii bodeeees!”
I would love to see an exploratory themed movie, with a scenery chewing main villian, maybe a few hand to hand combact scenes with a torn Kirk shirt, lol, and space battle scenes, culminating in a typical Trek ending moment where Kirk muses on the philosophical/metaphysical impact of the encounter with Bones and McCoy.
Kirk lost every fight.
1. Battle at the bar ended with him getting his face pounded.
2. Battle on the drill platform he was saved by sulu.
3. First fight with spock and security ended with a neck pinch.
4. 2nd fight with spock he was being choked to death.
5. Nero just slapped him silly and he was saved because Nero left.
6. Nero’s backup was choking him to death until Kirk took the weapon and shot him. He won the war but he lost the fight.
Youtube has a great collection of Kirk fights. Who would go to a movie to see Superman get his rear kicked for the whole movie? How cool would Batman be if he had lost every fight in his movies? How bout Ironman? Kicking butt is part of the Kirk persona. 0-6 and loses the girl he really wanted? (counting the green girl is like bragging you got a prostitute to sleep with you) That’s not Kirk. If he can go from cadet to captain a few days out of the academy then it should’nt take a few movies for him to learn how to fight.
As for the Borg technology being on Nero’s ship…That would explain the ship being so unbeatable to us Star Trek fans that watched next generation and voyager. And I suppose most people outside of the show really don’t care, but I hated Nero’s ship. The Romulan Warbird decloking is one of the coolest special effects ever. Whether you liked Nemisis or not, when the enterprise scanned it for the first time, you completely understood that any federation ship was out shielded and out gunned and out cloked. It’s butt kicking was totally understood and realistic.
I am grateful for the box office success and believe that the actors, writers and director will grow. That being said, McCoy was in rare form, from the get go. “My wife got the planet …all’s I got left is my Bones” was classic.
Speaking of engineering, when did Scotty become the chief engineer in the movie? One moment, he just beamed aboard, and the next they made him head of engineering on that huge ship…
BTW: I also did not like the exposed pipes all over in engineering…it just didn’t gel for me….
#359 – it’s funny you pick that episode from the list in #353. It is a bit of a stretch in relation to Closettrekker’s qualifiers about episodes/films where the key characters are actively engaged in “exploration”. The reason being is that they are on their way to shore leave!
The point is, of those episode which involve purely exploratory missions, like The Apple, the stories tend to involve very little Summer Blockbuster action, which is why the Trek films almost always involve something as major as the destruction of the Earth or some other civilization. Perhaps that’s why ST V failed – there was a never a threat dramatic enough to drive or sustain the events of the movie.
The Apple may come the closest as not only is the landing party in jeopardy, but so is the Enterprise as well as the civilization itself and there’s a fair amount of action for TOS. But who really wants to see The Apple retold?
Either way, Abrams has a lot of options to consider for a sequel and I think a pure exploratory mission film is unlikely.
#361:Speaking of engineering, when did Scotty become the chief engineer in the movie? One moment, he just beamed aboard, and the next they made him head of engineering on that huge ship…”
Scotty became chief of engineering because the previous chief of engineering was Chief Engineer Olsen, who was killed when he was incinerated by the drilling platform as it hovered over planet Vulcan.
I trust JJ. Go for it in the sequels… Give us new voyages and new adventures with our favorite characters (and ship)… Can’t wait for more…
The show was not true to its roots. Spock’s mother was alive and well, last time that I saw the show. Vulcan was not destroyed and Spock would never have had carried on a romance with Uhura. They should have turned Pike into a quadraplegic to tie into the Menagerie, which featured that character in the original show. The only actors that I liked were the ones playing Dr. McCoy (clearly the best), Captain Pike and Chekov. The Spock guy was particularly unbearable, and poor Leonard Nimoy sounded like a characterchure of himself. I don’t understand how any true fans of the original show could like it as anything but a cartoon version of the show.
Why dont we just let mr. j.j abaraham. do his thing allover again. he captured our interest once an I believe he can do it again. as far a kahn comming back, well he was many years from where this star trek takes of and so there is no sense going with that character.
Rnk Year—Rnk Adj. B.O. Adj. Bdgt. Title
1 2003 1 $1,332.5 $109.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return
N/A 1979 4 $400.000 $102.5 Star Trek: The Motion Picture
111 2000 9 $394.700 $91.4 X-Men
123 2009 3 $363.000 $150.0 Star Trek
126 2009 4 $356.900 $150.0 X-Men Origins: Wolverine
N/A 1986 5 $257.400 $52.0 Star Trek: The Voyage Home