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		<title>By: Brian Kirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More good news!! Star Trek will finish 3rd for the 4-day weekend. A very respectable 3rd, considering the stiff competion of not just one, but two big films opening this weekend. It&#039;s take was on the high-end of expectations/predictions. It also moved into within $2M of being the top movie of the year. Expect to see commercials and ads this week touting Star Trek as &quot;The #1 movie of the year!!&quot;. Sweet!!

Unofficial estimates from BOM for the 4-day weekend :

NATM $70M
TS $67.2M
Trek $29.4M
A&amp;D $27.7M

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2009-05-25&amp;p=.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More good news!! Star Trek will finish 3rd for the 4-day weekend. A very respectable 3rd, considering the stiff competion of not just one, but two big films opening this weekend. It&#8217;s take was on the high-end of expectations/predictions. It also moved into within $2M of being the top movie of the year. Expect to see commercials and ads this week touting Star Trek as &#8220;The #1 movie of the year!!&#8221;. Sweet!!</p>
<p>Unofficial estimates from BOM for the 4-day weekend :</p>
<p>NATM $70M<br />
TS $67.2M<br />
Trek $29.4M<br />
A&amp;D $27.7M</p>
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		<title>By: SJU</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 18:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>82:

&quot;Not only was there most certainly a home video market at the time of TMP and TWOK, but in fact, TWOK was literally the first feature film priced at a “sell-through” price designed to have people own, rather than rent, the film.
That price was $29.99, in a day when most features on videocassette were between $60-100.&quot;

1979 was less than two years after the VHS VCR was launched in the US, and it was hardly mass-market.  

When TWOK was released in 1983 at $39.95 for sale, it instigated a wave os similar sell-through releases, and the subsequent reduction in price of VCR&#039;s which led to their eventual ubiquity.  (My own memory + quick Wikipedia  reference).

Before then, the giant top-loading VCR&#039;s and were used primarily for taping and time-shifting TV programs by those who could afford them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>82:</p>
<p>&#8220;Not only was there most certainly a home video market at the time of TMP and TWOK, but in fact, TWOK was literally the first feature film priced at a “sell-through” price designed to have people own, rather than rent, the film.<br />
That price was $29.99, in a day when most features on videocassette were between $60-100.&#8221;</p>
<p>1979 was less than two years after the VHS VCR was launched in the US, and it was hardly mass-market.  </p>
<p>When TWOK was released in 1983 at $39.95 for sale, it instigated a wave os similar sell-through releases, and the subsequent reduction in price of VCR&#8217;s which led to their eventual ubiquity.  (My own memory + quick Wikipedia  reference).</p>
<p>Before then, the giant top-loading VCR&#8217;s and were used primarily for taping and time-shifting TV programs by those who could afford them</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;GOOD NEWS&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Star Trek&lt;/b&gt; outperformed itself over Friday. Here are the Saturday grosses being reported at Boxofficemojo:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
1.	Night at the Museum II	$19,950,000
2.	Terminator Salvation	$14,750,000
3.	Star Trek	$8,350,000
4.     Angels &amp; Demons  $8,100,000
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>GOOD NEWS</b><br />
<b>Star Trek</b> outperformed itself over Friday. Here are the Saturday grosses being reported at Boxofficemojo:</p>
<blockquote><p>
1.	Night at the Museum II	$19,950,000<br />
2.	Terminator Salvation	$14,750,000<br />
3.	Star Trek	$8,350,000<br />
4.     Angels &amp; Demons  $8,100,000
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/star-trek-2-week-box-office-analysis/comment-page-2/#comment-1842494</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;#83 MC1701B wrote:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The main thing to gather from this is that THE MOVIE HAS NOT YET RECOUPED ITS PRODUCTION COST.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
OK, let&#039;s say that ratio is generally in the ballpark. Based on a $244.2M worldwide gross a/o 5/22, less 45% to exhibitors, Trek needs to make only $15.5M  to break even. That&#039;s the rest of this weekend @ the same rate it earned on Friday. So by Monday it should be recouped.

But wait, what about the &quot;real&quot; costs of distribution: Print duplication &amp; transportation? Then there&#039;s the cost of development and marketing and advertising. As Art Buchwald showed us, the expenses never end to get to net profits. My point was simply to strip away the expenses for which we have no official numbers in order to avoid controversy about how well Trek is doing in relation to other Trek films which also had those costs. In general, My claim was that Trek&#039;s gross earnings had recouped it&#039;s production budget and made $94M (which is still less than the un-official reported market budget of $160M). But you are correct and now that you have presented a reasonable number for the theatre take we can assume Trek is starting at dollar one on Monday and must make a minimum of $150M more to completely recoup its marketing and ad expenses (though they can be amortized over the next film(s). That means Trek needs to gross a minimum of $420M worldwide. That&#039;s roughly what &lt;b&gt;TMP&lt;/b&gt; grossed in 1979 (adjusted) and I think certainly within Trek&#039;s grasp, considering it&#039;s only the third weekend and should go relatively unchallenged through the month of June and into July. That&#039;s about $2.5M/day worldwide and it hasn&#039;t even opened in many countries.

But technically, after Monday, every dollar earned goes to profit and Paramount gets to chose how to allocate it. Even if it doesn&#039;t earn back all of its marketing and ad outlay, that money also helps promote the DVD sales down the line and better awareness of the next movie. So for now, Trek is doing just fine and should finish as one of the most, if not the most popular films in the franchise – even if it isn&#039;t the most profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>#83 MC1701B wrote:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>The main thing to gather from this is that THE MOVIE HAS NOT YET RECOUPED ITS PRODUCTION COST.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, let&#8217;s say that ratio is generally in the ballpark. Based on a $244.2M worldwide gross a/o 5/22, less 45% to exhibitors, Trek needs to make only $15.5M  to break even. That&#8217;s the rest of this weekend @ the same rate it earned on Friday. So by Monday it should be recouped.</p>
<p>But wait, what about the &#8220;real&#8221; costs of distribution: Print duplication &amp; transportation? Then there&#8217;s the cost of development and marketing and advertising. As Art Buchwald showed us, the expenses never end to get to net profits. My point was simply to strip away the expenses for which we have no official numbers in order to avoid controversy about how well Trek is doing in relation to other Trek films which also had those costs. In general, My claim was that Trek&#8217;s gross earnings had recouped it&#8217;s production budget and made $94M (which is still less than the un-official reported market budget of $160M). But you are correct and now that you have presented a reasonable number for the theatre take we can assume Trek is starting at dollar one on Monday and must make a minimum of $150M more to completely recoup its marketing and ad expenses (though they can be amortized over the next film(s). That means Trek needs to gross a minimum of $420M worldwide. That&#8217;s roughly what <b>TMP</b> grossed in 1979 (adjusted) and I think certainly within Trek&#8217;s grasp, considering it&#8217;s only the third weekend and should go relatively unchallenged through the month of June and into July. That&#8217;s about $2.5M/day worldwide and it hasn&#8217;t even opened in many countries.</p>
<p>But technically, after Monday, every dollar earned goes to profit and Paramount gets to chose how to allocate it. Even if it doesn&#8217;t earn back all of its marketing and ad outlay, that money also helps promote the DVD sales down the line and better awareness of the next movie. So for now, Trek is doing just fine and should finish as one of the most, if not the most popular films in the franchise – even if it isn&#8217;t the most profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: MC1701B</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC1701B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60.   The scale can vary from contract to contract, and exhibitor to exhibitor, but the split usually looks something like this (the first number is the film rental, the second the exhibitor share):

Week 1 -2     90-10
Week 3         80-20
Week 4         70-30
Week 5         60-40
Week 6         50-50
Week 7+       35-65

As I&#039;ve said in previous posts, this usually ends up giving about 45% to the exhibitor at the end of the run, which is when the check is cut.  I could blather for paragraphs about why, but I&#039;ll spare you.

The main thing to gather from this is that THE MOVIE HAS NOT YET RECOUPED ITS PRODUCTION COST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60.   The scale can vary from contract to contract, and exhibitor to exhibitor, but the split usually looks something like this (the first number is the film rental, the second the exhibitor share):</p>
<p>Week 1 -2     90-10<br />
Week 3         80-20<br />
Week 4         70-30<br />
Week 5         60-40<br />
Week 6         50-50<br />
Week 7+       35-65</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said in previous posts, this usually ends up giving about 45% to the exhibitor at the end of the run, which is when the check is cut.  I could blather for paragraphs about why, but I&#8217;ll spare you.</p>
<p>The main thing to gather from this is that THE MOVIE HAS NOT YET RECOUPED ITS PRODUCTION COST.</p>
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		<title>By: MC1701B</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC1701B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>62.  Not only was there most certainly a home video market at the time of TMP and TWOK, but in fact, TWOK was literally the first feature film priced at a &quot;sell-through&quot; price designed to have people own, rather than rent, the film.
That price was $29.99, in a day when most features on videocassette were between $60-100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>62.  Not only was there most certainly a home video market at the time of TMP and TWOK, but in fact, TWOK was literally the first feature film priced at a &#8220;sell-through&#8221; price designed to have people own, rather than rent, the film.<br />
That price was $29.99, in a day when most features on videocassette were between $60-100.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kahless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 05:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk of gross, net and &quot;inflation adjusted&quot; makes my ridges hurt.  Could someone please calculate / estimate the number of seats filled? - and compare that to past performance?  

Studio accountants can worry about the budget. I&#039;m interested overall, historic popularity. Ticket prices are different than they were 30 years ago. 

Its good to hear all the word of mouth acceptance too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk of gross, net and &#8220;inflation adjusted&#8221; makes my ridges hurt.  Could someone please calculate / estimate the number of seats filled? &#8211; and compare that to past performance?  </p>
<p>Studio accountants can worry about the budget. I&#8217;m interested overall, historic popularity. Ticket prices are different than they were 30 years ago. </p>
<p>Its good to hear all the word of mouth acceptance too.</p>
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		<title>By: tman</title>
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		<dc:creator>tman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 02:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very curious if there&#039;s enough data to predict what kind of budget they will have 2nd time around.

I would be surprised if there isn&#039;t a big computer they throw the totals into that doesn&#039;t spit out a response, including salary guidance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very curious if there&#8217;s enough data to predict what kind of budget they will have 2nd time around.</p>
<p>I would be surprised if there isn&#8217;t a big computer they throw the totals into that doesn&#8217;t spit out a response, including salary guidance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fizzben</title>
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		<dc:creator>fizzben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just went to see Star Trek again tonight. It gets better every time I see it. I was surprised to see nearly as many people in the theater as opening day although it was a smaller theater, still, respectable considering its been out for 2 weeks and Terminator and Night at the Museum 2 opened this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went to see Star Trek again tonight. It gets better every time I see it. I was surprised to see nearly as many people in the theater as opening day although it was a smaller theater, still, respectable considering its been out for 2 weeks and Terminator and Night at the Museum 2 opened this weekend.</p>
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