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	<title>Comments on: ST09 Tidbits (Superman Edition): Winona As Jor-El? JJ For Next Superman? + more</title>
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		<title>By: Saidicam29</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saidicam29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{    “Unless… I suppose destroying Vulcan moves the story “forward.” Please please can we do “Star Trek” XII: The Search for Vulcan” I’d be willing to pay to see it if we can just restore Vulcan to the timeline. I have an irrational affection for Spock’s home world. And Amanda Sarek. And despite her recent brush with impropriety, I think Winona Ryder did a very good job portraying Amanda Grayson. I think she really got the kind graceful love part in the limited time she was on screen. Anyway…”

    Vulcan still exists in the prime universe.

    Also, the Mirror Vulcan still exists. (Either in the original Mirror Universe or the alternate reality version of the Mirror Universe. Nero could not have destroyed Vulcan in any mirror universe, since that would be against a mirror Nero’s nature, which presumably would be good.)}

IMO, the AOS Amanda still exists, somewhere, but currently is an energy pattern.  She was in mid-beam when the Enterprise lost her signature, her energy pattern was sucked into the black hole with the planet Vulcan (which is now broken up).  So, there&#039;s no reason that wherever or whenever that black hole comes out to Amanda&#039;s signature pattern could not be picked up by a transporter and beamed somewhere safe (a ship, a station, a planet, etc).  Same for any Vulcans who may have been mid-beam when their signatures were lost.  Based on what the movie showed us, somewhere these energy patterns and the debris of the planet Vulcan showed up.  We just don&#039;t know where or when.  Granted, it would be one heck of a coincidence that a transporter would happen to find her signature pattern....however this movie is nothing BUT unlikely coincidences.  So, if they wanted to do it, the writers could return her to the AOS timeline as in Mirror, Mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{    “Unless… I suppose destroying Vulcan moves the story “forward.” Please please can we do “Star Trek” XII: The Search for Vulcan” I’d be willing to pay to see it if we can just restore Vulcan to the timeline. I have an irrational affection for Spock’s home world. And Amanda Sarek. And despite her recent brush with impropriety, I think Winona Ryder did a very good job portraying Amanda Grayson. I think she really got the kind graceful love part in the limited time she was on screen. Anyway…”</p>
<p>    Vulcan still exists in the prime universe.</p>
<p>    Also, the Mirror Vulcan still exists. (Either in the original Mirror Universe or the alternate reality version of the Mirror Universe. Nero could not have destroyed Vulcan in any mirror universe, since that would be against a mirror Nero’s nature, which presumably would be good.)}</p>
<p>IMO, the AOS Amanda still exists, somewhere, but currently is an energy pattern.  She was in mid-beam when the Enterprise lost her signature, her energy pattern was sucked into the black hole with the planet Vulcan (which is now broken up).  So, there&#8217;s no reason that wherever or whenever that black hole comes out to Amanda&#8217;s signature pattern could not be picked up by a transporter and beamed somewhere safe (a ship, a station, a planet, etc).  Same for any Vulcans who may have been mid-beam when their signatures were lost.  Based on what the movie showed us, somewhere these energy patterns and the debris of the planet Vulcan showed up.  We just don&#8217;t know where or when.  Granted, it would be one heck of a coincidence that a transporter would happen to find her signature pattern&#8230;.however this movie is nothing BUT unlikely coincidences.  So, if they wanted to do it, the writers could return her to the AOS timeline as in Mirror, Mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Ballz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Ballz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, thank you Mr. Patterson! I appreciate the compliment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, thank you Mr. Patterson! I appreciate the compliment!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I uh....was referring to 154</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I uh&#8230;.was referring to 154</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m still reading...and yes it is unashamedely, and brashly funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m still reading&#8230;and yes it is unashamedely, and brashly funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#129---&quot;He’s never done any such thing, Closetrekker. Not once, not ever. &quot;

I think you may have missed one or two interviews. He dismissed it as a mistake. I heard it with my own two ears.

Assuming you don&#039;t take my word for it, the point remains that even good writers can create bad material---especially when you include material that never even makes it into production.

&quot; And Orci’s endorsement of that script is proof that he’s not only a writer of questionable talent, but he’s ready and willing to betray the heart and soul of an iconic property just to sate his buddies’ egos.&quot;

That&#039;s absurd.

And while I&#039;m not sure how any of that &quot;betrays the heart and soul of an iconic property&quot;, I&#039;m even more perplexed by the notion that a writer not displaying as much reverance for an old comic book story indicates &quot;questionable talent&quot;.

The fact that you, I, and any number of fans might disagree with a creative choice says nothing of an individual writer&#039;s &quot;talent&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#129&#8212;&#8221;He’s never done any such thing, Closetrekker. Not once, not ever. &#8221;</p>
<p>I think you may have missed one or two interviews. He dismissed it as a mistake. I heard it with my own two ears.</p>
<p>Assuming you don&#8217;t take my word for it, the point remains that even good writers can create bad material&#8212;especially when you include material that never even makes it into production.</p>
<p>&#8221; And Orci’s endorsement of that script is proof that he’s not only a writer of questionable talent, but he’s ready and willing to betray the heart and soul of an iconic property just to sate his buddies’ egos.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s absurd.</p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m not sure how any of that &#8220;betrays the heart and soul of an iconic property&#8221;, I&#8217;m even more perplexed by the notion that a writer not displaying as much reverance for an old comic book story indicates &#8220;questionable talent&#8221;.</p>
<p>The fact that you, I, and any number of fans might disagree with a creative choice says nothing of an individual writer&#8217;s &#8220;talent&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agent M@153:

You&#039;re kidding around about those NASA/JPL &quot;realizations&quot; and &quot;evidence&quot; that the stars and universe aren&#039;t as far away and old as previously thought, right?

A team of astronomers is attempting to image the black hole thought to be at the center of our galaxy, Sagitarius A, with a global array of radio telescopes, and may have that image within a couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agent M@153:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re kidding around about those NASA/JPL &#8220;realizations&#8221; and &#8220;evidence&#8221; that the stars and universe aren&#8217;t as far away and old as previously thought, right?</p>
<p>A team of astronomers is attempting to image the black hole thought to be at the center of our galaxy, Sagitarius A, with a global array of radio telescopes, and may have that image within a couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Ballz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Ballz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#150

Actually we shortened it to Ballz after arriving on these shores.....it&#039;s originally Ballzdeep, but we thought that sounded too ethnic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#150</p>
<p>Actually we shortened it to Ballz after arriving on these shores&#8230;..it&#8217;s originally Ballzdeep, but we thought that sounded too ethnic!</p>
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		<title>By: Agent M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm. Wil McCarthy&#039;s had a lot of experience with real black holes, has he? Always facinates me how so many think they know so much about things they&#039;ve never personally witnessed or been able to study up close. Theories are one thing, but unless one can provide empirical evidence it&#039;s still just the product of your imagination. One can assume things act/react the same everywhere in the universe. And one would be wrong. Nasa/JPL have already realized to their surprise that things DON&#039;T act the same outside the sun&#039;s influence thanks to recent data from Voyagers 1 &amp; 2. They&#039;ve discovered evidence that suggests the stars aren&#039;t as far away as they once thought. Hmmm...so...not necessarily billions of years old after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. Wil McCarthy&#8217;s had a lot of experience with real black holes, has he? Always facinates me how so many think they know so much about things they&#8217;ve never personally witnessed or been able to study up close. Theories are one thing, but unless one can provide empirical evidence it&#8217;s still just the product of your imagination. One can assume things act/react the same everywhere in the universe. And one would be wrong. Nasa/JPL have already realized to their surprise that things DON&#8217;T act the same outside the sun&#8217;s influence thanks to recent data from Voyagers 1 &amp; 2. They&#8217;ve discovered evidence that suggests the stars aren&#8217;t as far away as they once thought. Hmmm&#8230;so&#8230;not necessarily billions of years old after all?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bernardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bernardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I, too, was disappointed that Winona Ryder&#039;s Amanda was not more in the movie.  Perhaps when the DVD comes out, we shall her extra scenes which were deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I, too, was disappointed that Winona Ryder&#8217;s Amanda was not more in the movie.  Perhaps when the DVD comes out, we shall her extra scenes which were deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Gep Malakai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gep Malakai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wil McCarthy would definitely be the expert on sucking planets into black holes, considering he did it to most of the solar system in his most recent novel. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wil McCarthy would definitely be the expert on sucking planets into black holes, considering he did it to most of the solar system in his most recent novel. ;-)</p>
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