Comments on: Star Trek Invades MTV Movie Awards + Pine (Jokes?) About Khan In Sequel [UPDATED]

By: P Technobabble

P Technobabble — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:13:14 +0000

Participating in the Star Trek Universe (imagining stories, writing screenplays, etc.) is really like living in a “Cage.” There are all these memorable characters, villains, aliens, etc. from the past, and, as I read many of the suggestions for sequels, some people tend to want to use elements that are contained within the cage. The same 4 walls, the same floor and ceiling, the same furniture… just move it all around, and you have a nice, safe, familiar Star Trek.
I believe this is the sort of perspective that gradually brought Star Trek to its knees, by not being able to think outside the cage.
IMO, Star Trek needs to be freed from its own mythology, which Orci and Kurtzman managed to a great degree. But now that many of the “rules” have been altered, Star Trek is free to go wherever… it does not have to be constrained to using all the same old villains, aliens, or other McGuffins found in so many previous Treks.
So, what is there outside of Khan, and Klingons, and Borg, and Doomsday Machines, and Tribbles, etc? I think this is a legitimate question, since it is really asking, “What else can you do with Star Trek?” Do you want to see Star Trek always falling back on its past, or do you want to see Star Trek doing something that’s never been done (within Trek mythology)?
And what would that be? Didn’t Arthur C. Clarke once write, “The universe is not only stranger than we imagine… it is stranger than we can imagine.” The key to future Treks, I believe, is NOT in bringing back previously viewed material, but rather in putting all that aside and then pondering “What’s out there?” Imagination, unchained from “used memorabilia,” is the first step of the new journey.

By: the Quickening

the Quickening — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:48:08 +0000

If the filmmakers are looking for an antagonist for the next film, I would suggest it be a renegade star fleet officer–something that has never been done before in any TREK movie series. The closest was the Admiral played by Anthony Zerbe in INSURRECTION, but he wasn’t the main opposition.

I’m looking for a lot more thought, original creation, intelligence and adult sensibilities in the next movie, and re-treading Khan, in my opinion, isn’t the direction to go.

By: 'Trick

'Trick — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:16:53 +0000

Also, put me down for no Khan UNLESS it’s done is some super spectacular way that no one has yet thought of. Like the new movie, and love Orci, but I’m not sure I’d like their take on Khan.

Something new.

-P

By: 'Trick

'Trick — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:14:28 +0000

127.

Er, i think it’s the other way around. They were organic and included the synthetic.

“Humans: we were just like them. Flawed, weak, organic. But we have evolved to include the synthetic, and now we use both to achieve perfection.”

That doesn’t preclude that world still being the borg home–but V’ger’s tech was pretty out there, even for them.

-P

By: Jon

Jon — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:59:24 +0000

KAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNN! ~James Tiberious Pine

By: Kirk's girdle

Kirk's girdle — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:38:01 +0000

Re: 71 Vulcans would wipe the floor with Khan’s supermen.

By: Kirk's girdle

Kirk's girdle — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:36:44 +0000

Re: 73. According to Shatner’s “The Return”, the machine planet was actually the Borg homeworld. At that time, they were living machines and had not yet begun assimilating organisms into their makeup.

The Borg Queen even says to Data in First Contact, “We were once like you – synthetic”

By: Captain_McCloud

Captain_McCloud — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:39:13 +0000

The Starf Leet Clown skit was super-Unfunny…..I actually felt embarassed watching it…it was not funny at all.

By: TholianFan

TholianFan — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:28:14 +0000

Count me as another person who does not want to see Khan in the next movie. I’d like to see something original, and have a strong science fiction element to the story. I’d rather not see the Klingons since so much about them has been explored in TNG and DS9. The Tholians are a potentially very interesting “blank slate” to develop a film around.

By: tlh1138

tlh1138 — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:25:24 +0000

With all the story ideas being posted here, and Bob Orci reading (most) of the comments, I wonder if he keeps them in mind when suggesting ideas for the next film. By that I mean, not that they should incorporate an idea posted here, but to make sure they do NOT use an idea posted here, lest the poster scream “They stole my idea!” when the next film is released.