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	<title>Comments on: Orci &amp; Kurtzman Talk Star Trek Lessons &amp; Sequel</title>
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		<title>By: Tara O'Shea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#532: I think we haven&#039;t explored *this* alternative universe enough, to immediately introduce another one in the form of the AOS Mirror Universe. As for the infamous &#039;reset button&#039; of old, I&#039;d rather see the AOS timeline continue on its merry way, with no-one attempting to change it &#039;back&#039; to the Prime universe. 

That said, I wouldn&#039;t be opposed to elements from the Prime universe continuing to show up--be it the Cardassians, Tholians, Organians, etc. But I want to see new stories, rather than AOS versions of TOS stories. It needs to evolve in its own direction, not unlike how the Mirror Universe evolved over time, as each spin-off series had their own Mirror Universe episodes, culminating in the cracktastically awesome ENT entry which introduced Empress Hoshi (it may be my all-time fave Mirror story, after the original).

As for the Klingons... their fleet was if not completely wiped out (I mean, seriously, 47 ships), it was nearly wiped out. Tho one does wonder, if the Narada crew were in prison for 20 years, how was their ship not taken apart and reverse engineered by the Klingon Empire?  And what does that say for the Klingon/Romulan Alliance?

I mean, if there would be new film with the Klingons as bad guys, this would seriously tip the balance of power in their favour because the future-tech would still be a serious threat.

(I&#039;d hate to see the Narada storyline dragged out over another film, but it could be an inetresting element to explore, someday.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#532: I think we haven&#8217;t explored *this* alternative universe enough, to immediately introduce another one in the form of the AOS Mirror Universe. As for the infamous &#8216;reset button&#8217; of old, I&#8217;d rather see the AOS timeline continue on its merry way, with no-one attempting to change it &#8216;back&#8217; to the Prime universe. </p>
<p>That said, I wouldn&#8217;t be opposed to elements from the Prime universe continuing to show up&#8211;be it the Cardassians, Tholians, Organians, etc. But I want to see new stories, rather than AOS versions of TOS stories. It needs to evolve in its own direction, not unlike how the Mirror Universe evolved over time, as each spin-off series had their own Mirror Universe episodes, culminating in the cracktastically awesome ENT entry which introduced Empress Hoshi (it may be my all-time fave Mirror story, after the original).</p>
<p>As for the Klingons&#8230; their fleet was if not completely wiped out (I mean, seriously, 47 ships), it was nearly wiped out. Tho one does wonder, if the Narada crew were in prison for 20 years, how was their ship not taken apart and reverse engineered by the Klingon Empire?  And what does that say for the Klingon/Romulan Alliance?</p>
<p>I mean, if there would be new film with the Klingons as bad guys, this would seriously tip the balance of power in their favour because the future-tech would still be a serious threat.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;d hate to see the Narada storyline dragged out over another film, but it could be an inetresting element to explore, someday.)</p>
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		<title>By: siv</title>
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		<dc:creator>siv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a introduction to the Kligons

Some tie into the events from Enterprise series

I also see that we are still in the period before the TOS series</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a introduction to the Kligons</p>
<p>Some tie into the events from Enterprise series</p>
<p>I also see that we are still in the period before the TOS series</p>
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		<title>By: Green-Blooded-Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green-Blooded-Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see the crew looking for a way to &quot;restore&quot; the time line and accidentally open the mirror universe. I think that would be an interesting movie. maybe Khan is a good guy there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see the crew looking for a way to &#8220;restore&#8221; the time line and accidentally open the mirror universe. I think that would be an interesting movie. maybe Khan is a good guy there.</p>
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		<title>By: Skagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Khan is not a particularly popular option for a sequel among Trek fans, however I think it would open up great possibilities for some footage of the eugenics wars/ launch of the Botany Bay etc. Good story arch leading to its discovery by kirk. And Chekov will be in it this time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Khan is not a particularly popular option for a sequel among Trek fans, however I think it would open up great possibilities for some footage of the eugenics wars/ launch of the Botany Bay etc. Good story arch leading to its discovery by kirk. And Chekov will be in it this time!</p>
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		<title>By: RachelMarta</title>
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		<dc:creator>RachelMarta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want the sequel to the prequel to be more character driven with occasional amazing action sequences like in STXI. I went back to watching TOS episodes this week and really like the slower pace like TOS for the serious or comical dialogue sequences. 

Definitely develop the Kirk &amp; Spock relationship with a side of McCoy. The story should be meaty so all the main cast can get involved, developing their friendships and working relationships along with getting involved in some alien culture. I agree that Kirk should make mistakes as part of the learning curve for his new responsiblities. He is really young to be Captain. 

As much as I loved the really fast pace of STXI (I&#039;ve seen it 13 times), I want the next movie to be deeper and a bit slower. I want to feel what these characters are going through as they grow into being the finest crew as well as ship in the fleet. They are a gorgeous cast and they all deserve to get their moments to really shine. Thank you Orci &amp; Kurtzman for not only the birth of James Tiberius Kirk but for the rebirth of Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want the sequel to the prequel to be more character driven with occasional amazing action sequences like in STXI. I went back to watching TOS episodes this week and really like the slower pace like TOS for the serious or comical dialogue sequences. </p>
<p>Definitely develop the Kirk &amp; Spock relationship with a side of McCoy. The story should be meaty so all the main cast can get involved, developing their friendships and working relationships along with getting involved in some alien culture. I agree that Kirk should make mistakes as part of the learning curve for his new responsiblities. He is really young to be Captain. </p>
<p>As much as I loved the really fast pace of STXI (I&#8217;ve seen it 13 times), I want the next movie to be deeper and a bit slower. I want to feel what these characters are going through as they grow into being the finest crew as well as ship in the fleet. They are a gorgeous cast and they all deserve to get their moments to really shine. Thank you Orci &amp; Kurtzman for not only the birth of James Tiberius Kirk but for the rebirth of Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: 8 of 12</title>
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		<dc:creator>8 of 12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really care.  I just want another movie!!!  I mean, I care about the quality but I think these guys are smart and will do well whether they rehash some older villains or plotlines or start something completely new.  Either way, engage damn it, engage!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really care.  I just want another movie!!!  I mean, I care about the quality but I think these guys are smart and will do well whether they rehash some older villains or plotlines or start something completely new.  Either way, engage damn it, engage!!!</p>
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		<title>By: IWantKlingonsInTheStarTrekSequel</title>
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		<dc:creator>IWantKlingonsInTheStarTrekSequel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to see KLINGONS in the next movie.

IMO it&#039;s a no-brainer for the next movie to feature the Klingons as villains. I know that, typically, the expectation in a Star Trek movie they have to save the planet Earth -- but that hasn&#039;t been the case in many of the movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to see KLINGONS in the next movie.</p>
<p>IMO it&#8217;s a no-brainer for the next movie to feature the Klingons as villains. I know that, typically, the expectation in a Star Trek movie they have to save the planet Earth &#8212; but that hasn&#8217;t been the case in many of the movies.</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#510: &quot;But delivering an ending that will satisfy the mass audience, even if it ticks off a tiny handful of die-hard fans is not the mark of a crappy script.&quot;

I agree entirely, and I&#039;ve never suggested otherwise that I can recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#510: &#8220;But delivering an ending that will satisfy the mass audience, even if it ticks off a tiny handful of die-hard fans is not the mark of a crappy script.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree entirely, and I&#8217;ve never suggested otherwise that I can recall.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>525. Gul B. wrote: &lt;i&gt;Kirk should be forced to make really hard decisions, like his father before him. ...The person he has to sacrifice or abandon could even be Pike.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Please let it be Chekov.&lt;/b&gt;

_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>525. Gul B. wrote: <i>Kirk should be forced to make really hard decisions, like his father before him. &#8230;The person he has to sacrifice or abandon could even be Pike.</i></p>
<p><b>Please let it be Chekov.</b></p>
<p>_</p>
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		<title>By: Gul B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gul B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>522 et. al. I really like your posts, Tara, they&#039;re spot on.

511 / 520 I totally agree with the characterization of Kirk as &quot;intelligent, but inexperienced&quot;. He WILL have to suffer (but not necessarily by losing family members).
Just once I want to see the crew accepting the old &quot;The needs of the many ...&quot;-rule, regardless of the pain this may bring. Especially from TNG on it was always: &quot;Even if the captain ordered us not to, we have rescue him at all costs!! ... Oops, there goes a planet with a billion sentient beings on it! But we saved the captain and 2 redshirts - we won the day after all!&quot; 
Kirk should be forced to make really hard decisions, like his father before him. (And maybe even realize that the opposite of a &quot;no win-scenario&quot; isn&#039;t necessarily a &quot;win it all-scenario&quot;). The person he has to sacrifice or abandon could even be Pike.
There would be the additional bonus that Kirk would loose the slightly annoying &quot;I&#039;m great, I&#039;m cute, all women want me&quot; attitude faster (he&#039;s almost 30, not in high school).

McCoy taking center stage in the next movie is a great idea. Urban is nearly perfect as Bones without copying Kelley.

I have no problem with the Iowa shipyard. After all, ships are initially built on land. After launching, they are towed by strong tug boats to the place (mostly a pier)  where construction is completed. So: Several tug shuttles (with very strong tractor beams). Orbital dock.
Maybe we&#039;ll get to see the launching of the Enterprise-A in the 5th or 6th movie ...

And to get a little fannish here: I have rationalized how Gaila could have survived! When the Enterprise drops out of warp at Vulcan, there is half a saucer section floating in space. As segments of starships can be automatically sealed off from each other (and have independent emergency life support), there could have been survivors in it, including Gaila. Yay! (The &quot;sealed segments&quot; construction is a) logical and b) described in the TNG Technical Manual).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>522 et. al. I really like your posts, Tara, they&#8217;re spot on.</p>
<p>511 / 520 I totally agree with the characterization of Kirk as &#8220;intelligent, but inexperienced&#8221;. He WILL have to suffer (but not necessarily by losing family members).<br />
Just once I want to see the crew accepting the old &#8220;The needs of the many &#8230;&#8221;-rule, regardless of the pain this may bring. Especially from TNG on it was always: &#8220;Even if the captain ordered us not to, we have rescue him at all costs!! &#8230; Oops, there goes a planet with a billion sentient beings on it! But we saved the captain and 2 redshirts &#8211; we won the day after all!&#8221;<br />
Kirk should be forced to make really hard decisions, like his father before him. (And maybe even realize that the opposite of a &#8220;no win-scenario&#8221; isn&#8217;t necessarily a &#8220;win it all-scenario&#8221;). The person he has to sacrifice or abandon could even be Pike.<br />
There would be the additional bonus that Kirk would loose the slightly annoying &#8220;I&#8217;m great, I&#8217;m cute, all women want me&#8221; attitude faster (he&#8217;s almost 30, not in high school).</p>
<p>McCoy taking center stage in the next movie is a great idea. Urban is nearly perfect as Bones without copying Kelley.</p>
<p>I have no problem with the Iowa shipyard. After all, ships are initially built on land. After launching, they are towed by strong tug boats to the place (mostly a pier)  where construction is completed. So: Several tug shuttles (with very strong tractor beams). Orbital dock.<br />
Maybe we&#8217;ll get to see the launching of the Enterprise-A in the 5th or 6th movie &#8230;</p>
<p>And to get a little fannish here: I have rationalized how Gaila could have survived! When the Enterprise drops out of warp at Vulcan, there is half a saucer section floating in space. As segments of starships can be automatically sealed off from each other (and have independent emergency life support), there could have been survivors in it, including Gaila. Yay! (The &#8220;sealed segments&#8221; construction is a) logical and b) described in the TNG Technical Manual).</p>
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