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Star Trek Nero Comic To Cover Nero’s Lost Years – Exclusive Preview June 17, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Comics,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

In August IDW will release the first new story set in the universe of the new JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. The four issue "Star Trek Nero" comic series will fill in the time gaps for Nero during the events of the film. TrekMovie.com has exclusive details and images from this exciting new series.

 

Nero’s Lost Years Revealed
Star Trek: Nero reunites the creative team behind the New York Times best-selling movie prequel, "Star Trek: Countdown." Star Trek screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman will again again supply the story, while Mike Johnson and Tim Jones return to write Nero’s story. Artist David Messina also returns for the artwork.

Here is the cover of "Star Trek: Nero" #1. 


Find out where the Narada crew were in "Star Trek Nero" comic series
(click to enlarge)

One of the biggest questions fans have about the new Star Trek movie is "what was Nero doing for 25 years?" The time between the attack on the USS Kelvin and the arrival of Spock and the Jellyfish is left blank. IDW Editor Scott Dunbier describes how "Star Trek Nero" will fill in gap:

Nero, the great villain of the movie, was actually introduced in Star Trek: Countdown, which leads directly into the film. This follow-up series will reveal exactly what happened to the crew of the Narada during the intervening 25 years Nero was waiting for the arrival of Ambassador Spock.

TrekMovie has already reported that there were scenes shot that covered this 25 year gap, where Nero and his crew were captured by Klingons and put in the Rura Penthe prison, however they were cut from the final film. TrekMovie has confirmed with "Star Trek Nero" co-writer Tim Jones that they are using the shooting script which included these scenes as their basis and that artist David Messina will be using some of the deleted scenes as a visual reference, but that the comic book will also go beyond just what is in the deleted scenes (which will be on the DVD and Blu-ray versions in the Fall).

Exclusive preview from Star Trek Nero

IDW has provided us with four pages (w/o dialog) from the first issue of Star Trek Nero. These are random and not the first four pages.


Four pages from "Star Trek Nero" #1, click to enlarge

The four-issue miniseries will be available monthly, beginning in August. The first issue can be pre-ordered now from TFAW.

Nero
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Nero
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Nero
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$3.19
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More previews and interview at CBR
Comic Book Resources has some additional images and a brief interview with Jones and Johnson on Star Trek Nero, check it out

Comments

1. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - June 17, 2009

Kool. I will havt to read this and then see the Movie. That way i can be fully filled in on the movie.

2. Christian Fauteux - June 17, 2009

This looks awesome! I heard they filmed the scenes where he escapes from Rura Penthe, so perhaps the BluRay deleted scenes might fill us in even more!

3. Holger - June 17, 2009

Very interesting. I like Countdown, so I will get this one, too.

4. opcode - June 17, 2009

I just cannot wait. Looks fantastic!

5. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - June 17, 2009

Theres so much that i would like to know. How did the klingons capture nero and how did they escape and why didn’t the Klingons use the Narada and it’s future weapons to attack the Federation or was that what was going on with the rest of the fleet in the Movie. So when trek comes out on Dvd ill read the prequal and the new one and watch the Movie and wow we have everything.

6. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - June 17, 2009

I do hope that when trek comes out on Dvd we can see all the deleted Scenes.

7. opcode - June 17, 2009

BTW, looks like the Klingons are using their uniform from TOS. Cool!!

8. Devon - June 17, 2009

PLEASE include the deleted scenes in the actual film on DVD J.J. PLEASE. This would really add some more depth to the Nero character possibly if it could be “official” as to his time on Rura Penthe.

Anthony, would you ever run a poll regarding the deleted scenes and if they should be included as extras or in the final film on DVD?

9. Sheryl - June 17, 2009

Will this explain, at least partially, the ARG events?

10. steve2 - June 17, 2009

Hmmmm.

Year 1 – Wait for Spock.
Year 2 – Wait for Spock.
Year 3 – Wait for Spock……………………………………………….

11. THX-1138 - June 17, 2009

Well, I guess that pretty much puts to rest any speculation that captain Robau might have, just maybe barely might have, somehow survived Nero skewering him.

And I would lijke to know how the heck the Klingons captured Nero and held him until he made his escape. If they could capture him why the heck weren’t they powerful enough to wipe out the Federation?

12. The Original Spock's Brain - June 17, 2009

One page shows more of Capt. Robau’s murder.

13. Jeff Cope - June 17, 2009

I’ve got my fingers crossed that the deleted material shows up on the DVD, too. Playmates has said they’d consider making figures from the scene if it shows up on the DVD….

14. Trekwebmaster - June 17, 2009

This would make a great lead-in as a TV or Film to the new movie. I would love to see this as a webisode. IT would build up the movie and help exposition not immediately accessible if you just went to the movie.

Make some of these into webisodes, it can be done rather inexpensively, after all look what Star Trek Phase II has accomplished. I know some people will discard STP2 now that the reboot has occurred, but STAR TREK PHASE II filled a necessary gap and single-handedly kept STAR TREK in the minds of fans and non-fans for years during the lean times…they deserve credit also!

Thanks James Cawley and Company for all you are doing with STP2, I for one am grateful!

Trekwebmaster

15. drapera - June 17, 2009

#10

LOL

16. Kevin Greene - June 17, 2009

Off subject, but the newest issue of Cinefex is out with an article about Star Trek. The new Enterprise is on the cover. Some new stills, including a really cool one of Kirk taking command shown from a different angle. Really nice shot.

17. Shatner_Fan_Prime - June 17, 2009

Caption for Ayel on panel 2 of page 3:

“So I suppose you want me to clean this up now?”

Also, Nero and Ayel were cool & creepy in the movie. I liked both of ‘em!

18. demetrius morrison - June 17, 2009

i hope they do a comic when Nero enters the year 2258 with the ST09 enterprise crew

19. screaming satellite - June 17, 2009

will these be out in TPB?

also will Spock Reflections be out in TPB?

20. Alex Prewitt - June 17, 2009

Looks like Messina finally got his hands on some reference materials to do the K’Tinga class battlecruisers justice.

21. The Last Maquis - June 17, 2009

Ya THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!

guess what though, yeah NOT canon so…. NOPE!!

they should just admit it there’s is a HUGE plot hole in the movie and chose not to fix it and it suffered because of it.

22. Richard - June 17, 2009

I have read these on the iphone, as they are in the app store!

23. Capt Krunch - June 17, 2009

WOW….Klingons in the next movie!…just seeing those K7 battlecruisers pounding the Narada would have been awesome on the big screen…I hope those deleted scenes make it to the DVD!

24. Jeffery Wright - June 17, 2009

so the klingons were able to take on these romulans from the future, and starfleet intel had no idea about this?

they must have been looking for the kelvins attacker, no?

or at least curious?

cant wait to see MOON.

25. steve2 - June 17, 2009

K7 battlecruisers

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I wonder how big they are (compared to the original)?

26. JB - June 17, 2009

It did feel like a weakness in the movie’s story that the Nero character would be sitting around stewing in his own juices for 25 years.

27. cpelc - June 17, 2009

hopefully this will come out as a trade paperback as well like countdown

28. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

With all due respect to everyone (especially Eric Bana who was excellent), I have to say that Ayel was the coolest bad guy. Nero didn’t surpass Kahn in my eyes but Ayel was definitely the coolest henchman of any Trek film (imo).

I’m almost sad that he got punked by Kirk so easily. lol.

He was just so convincingly cool and bad a**, whereas Nero came off as an emotional wreck too much for my taste. I wish I could explain why the emotional wreck thing worked so well in Kahn’s case.. Hmm..

29. Just another German trekker - June 17, 2009

Hey, cool – seems like the artist went for a mixture of smooth-headed klingons and those with ridges on their foreheads … mmmmh, but in addition it seems those K’Tinga class cruisers have ridges on their necks! how peculiar…

30. Weerd1 - June 17, 2009

Mmmm- classic Klingon uniforms but modernized. Snazzy!

31. RD - June 17, 2009

These guys just don’t stop … JJ Abrams, you are a marketing GOD!

Cha-Ching!

32. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

#28 – I think because the connection between Kirk and Kahn was more deeply personal. Even having read the prequel comic the Nero-Spock connection seemed a bit exaggerated and the whole scenario just a bit too fantastic (planetary destructions, timeline shifts). I guess for me it is easier to relate to, and understand, the scenario in WOK, and it is easier to sympathize with Kahn for some reason which makes him more compelling.

Also, WOK had some nice touches like Kahn’s crew being held captive by their obsessed and insane leader, Kahn’s superior intellect, Ricardo’s accent and Shakespearean excesses. And who can get over the way they hi-jacked a federation vessel and all that? The Narada was obviously as awesome as ships get, but there was something so sinister about that stinking USS Reliant. Both are cool, it was just a different vibe that helped create a different kind of villainy.

33. THX-1138 - June 17, 2009

#21

Yeah it really suffered. To the tune of $250 million domestically. I should suffer so much.

#23

D7, bro’. D7. But Steve2 already told you.

#29

Ridges are on the Klingon ships. Have a look:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=183172&l=f70fedaa96&id=1667166525

34. OneBuckFilms - June 17, 2009

21 – No plot hole. We just didn’t get all the details. There was dialogue in the movie that explained basically where he had been for 25 years.

35. Bugs Nixon - June 17, 2009

Is there an actual comic adaptation of the film itself?

36. Gibnerd - June 17, 2009

anyone heard if in the deleted scene we actually see a Klingon with a helmet off? do they have the bumpy foreheads as it appears they do in this comic?

37. MC Doctor - June 17, 2009

#5

The pre-TOS-era Klingons were able to overcome the Narada because of the damage that George Kirk caused by ramming the Kelvin into the massive Romulan mining ship.

That’s also why the shuttle’s we able to escape virtually untouched. Just before the title card in the movie, you can see a speading debris field as the Narada is yawing from the Kirk/Kelvin caused damage.

Not hard to imagine at all…

38. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - June 17, 2009

37 Very true. But why didn’t the Klingons use the future tech of the narada. thats one question i want to know. Or have they and we will see that in the next movie. Would be a good plot point for the next movie to see a Klingon. Lets say Dureoss have some of that future tech and put it into his D7 Ships and try and take over the Empire and it takes the Federation being lead by the Big E to stop him and bring order back to the Alpha Quadrent. Would be something of a plot for the next movie and then when all seems done have the Doomsday machine show up for a little surprise.

39. Mr. Obamaspock - June 17, 2009

Man I wish they would have shown Robau actually getting impaled like in the scene above instead of cutting away at the last minute.

40. Frederick - June 17, 2009

Obviously their capture was due to the crippling blow that George Kirk dealt the ship. But, after the Borg tech repaired itself, the ship was ready for them upon their escape.

41. Newman - June 17, 2009

Sweet!!!!!

42. Steve - June 17, 2009

Fantastic idea. I will buy this.

43. andrew c - June 17, 2009

I’m not criticizing the movie, I loved it, but in retrospect, some of the story seems a bit weak. If the Narada really was crippled and not just momentarily disabled by the Kelvin crashing into it, it kind of undermines the relative invincibility of the Narada. Which means you could just get any starship and fly into it, especially at warp.

I would assume that to save Earth that sacrifice would be made, rather than relying on Kirk and Spock’s 4% chance of success plan, which, to be fair, worked.

44. Spectre_7 - June 17, 2009

What’s the point?

These comics are labeled “OFFICIAL” and have their stories done by Orci & Kurtzman themselves, yet in turn themselves say the comics are non-canon??

Makes no sense

45. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

Canon, schmanon. I guess canon is only official on-screen stuff, although not really because some of the animated series is “non-canon,” at least according to Roddenberry; same with some of the films. In my world Sybok and Sha Ka Ree are non-canon but Kirk’s trip to Yosemite really happened. You can’t be dogmatic about Trek in my opinion. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations as far as I’m concerned.

I personally toss out a lot of the dumb contradictory crap wherever I find it. I accept some of the far-fetched, after-the-fact explanations of absurdities, but not all; and I believe that the best attitude is one of flexibility towards others’ interpretations of the Star Trek universe. To quote the great Mr. Shatner, “it’s just a T.V. show.”

Sure, I believe that writers should do there best to respect the established universe (and with Trek I admit that continuity is more important than in many other franchises such as Bond or Batman), but it is still a fictional setting, and I can certainly accept a degree of “historical” malleability if it serves good storytelling.

#44 – Good question… I suppose whoever is creating the content (or has the final say on it) ought to be able to say what is or isn’t “official” in some franchise biblical sense (if we care that much at all). Perhaps the tradition at Paramount is that non film or series material is automaticallly apocryphal simply because there is so much content in the franchise (films, series, books, comics, games, etc.) that it would be absurd to expect writers to be familiar with it all. Plus there is a lot of goofy and/or contradictory stuff going on when you combine the alpha and beta materials.

There are also legal complexities. The famous examples are The Slaver Weapon (TAS) and City on the Edge of Forever (TOS). I’ve seen many comments on this site saying that Spock should just jump through the Guardian of Forever and fix everything. Even if the writers wanted to do that I’d bet that Paramount would say no because Harlan Ellison would no doubt sue for royalties. lol.

46. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

#45 – I could be wrong, I don’t know if there is much truth to the old Roddenberry & Niven tales.

47. Admiral Archer's Prized Beagle - June 17, 2009

Pre-ordered my copy. Personally I can’t wait for even more comics or novels set in the alternate timeline. I’m surprised they haven’t done an actual comic adaptation of the movie yet. Then again, we are only now getting a TWOK adaptation.

48. screaming satellite - June 17, 2009

27 – i hope so too…dont wanna buy the sep issues and then find out they coming out in a nice TPB a few months down the line

same for SPOCK REFLECTIONS

anyone know if they do TPB for every mini series of comics or just select ones like CD and The Last Generation?

49. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

#47 – Agreed! These comics are so high quality too. I wonder if they’ll ever do a Captain Robau / George Kirk / USS Kelvin comic series like they did back in the day with Pike’s Enterprise. That would be pretty cool too.

50. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

Now that I think about it the Early Voyages series had some great stories. I wonder if the Star Trek 2009 writers have read those comics? Remember the story that was kind of like Wrath of Kahn but there were these tough Vulcan people who were all pissed off instead of Kahn and company? If they ever do a comic series based after the new movies it would be funny to have a group of pissed off renegade Vulcans who go back to the “old ways,” pre-Surak, and want to get revenge on Romulus somehow. lol. Maybe Spock has some crisis in which he is tempted to join them… Maybe there would be some new revelations about Vulcan history and their nature based on their post-apocalyptic state.

51. Third Remata'Klan - June 17, 2009

Sweet. Nero’s lost years were my biggest problem with the movie.

Will they do a collected volume in trade paperback?

52. Mike Ten - June 17, 2009

#44, I kind of agree with you. After reading Countdown and then watching the movie and the whole Jellyfish backstory was changed from Geordi LaForge building it to the Vulcans building it kind of threw me off.
What is the point of writing a official comic leading up to the movie if it’s not faithful to what happens in the movie.

It was another missed opportunity for a Trek reference, in Spock’s mindmeld we could have saw Geordi building the Jellyfish for Spock instead of the Vulcans, a nice little TNG cameo.

53. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

My understanding was that the Vulcan Science Academy commissioned the Jellyfish and the actual design of the craft was the responsibility of Geordi La Forge, who is a presumably one of Starfleet’s best engineers and ship designers by this time, perhaps the best.

54. Charles Trotter - June 17, 2009

Nice! I’ll definitely be buying this series.

As for those mysterious 25 years, while not directly stated in the movie, the audience can ascertain what happened to the crew from the dialogue in the film.

- the attack on the Kelvin occurring *near the edge of Klingon space*
- the Narada not being *seen or heard from again* for 25 years
- suddenly, there’s a distress call from a *Klingon prison planet*
- Romulans aboard *one massive ship* destroys *47 Klingon warbirds*

Based on this dialogue alone, it’s clear to me that Nero and his crew were captured by the Klingons, imprisoned, then, in 2258, they escaped the prison and reclaimed their ship.

Pretty obvious to me, anyway. :-)

55. Star Trek: The Boring Next Generation - June 17, 2009

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWNNNN !!!

56. Star Trek: The Boring Next Generation - June 17, 2009

Sorry, I meant to say KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHN !!!

or is it KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN !!!

I simply dont care…

57. Simon - June 17, 2009

Major Shat Lover:

Who the hell is “Kahn”???

(it’s *KHAN*…just glance at the cover of the DVD/BD/VHS/LD/book/comic/etc)

58. Gary - June 17, 2009

Maybe we’ll find out why he chose to use his valuable time waiting for Spock instead of using that time to warn his people about his homeworlds impending future destruction.

59. Major Shat Lover - June 17, 2009

Lol, yeah, Khan… And I’ve got the movie case right by me. lol. I’ve made worse typos.

60. starfleetmom - June 17, 2009

I loved the Countdown comics, but it annoyed me that the info in the comics was so essential to understanding Nero in the film. They cut too much out of the film’s beginning, which resulted in Nero becoming a weak villian, IMO.

btw..you can download the comics cheap at itunes

61. brokenbacktango - June 17, 2009

Poor Robau. Ouch.

I’ll also throw in my support for a Robau/George & Winona Kirk/USS Kelvin story, be it as a comic or–please oh please!–a book series. It’d be interesting to see how they fared in the “Prime” universe, actually…

62. Mr. "There are always possibilities" - June 17, 2009

It was clear to me that he was captured by the Klingons, as well. Uhura intercepted a transmission from a Klingon prison planet, and a number of ships were destroyed.

I think what confuses people is Spock Prime’s line “for 25 years he plotted his revenge”. However, it makes sense; why would Nero “monologue” to Spock Prime about the intervening 25 years? It wouldn’t have served any purpose, and Nero probably would have skipped the details after capturing Spock prime.

63. S. John Ross - June 17, 2009

I enjoyed Countdown so, count me in.

In that font, “NERO” looks so, so very close to “NERD.”

64. Brett Campbell - June 17, 2009

63 – “In that font, ‘NERO’ looks so, so very close to ‘NERD.’”

Should make a great desktop nameplate for you then.

65. CraptainAmerika - June 17, 2009

I wonder if they’ll do a TPB edition of this series.

66. Bob Tompkins - June 17, 2009

39- Pushing for an R-Rated Trek are we?

I, for one, am hoping for an expanded version of ST09 somewhere down the line, incorporating any deleted scenes that specifically help to fill in plot loopholes.

I know Abrams wanted to cut the movie at a fast pace, but I’d be willing to give 2 1/2 to 3 hours to an expanded version in the comfort of my video cave.

67. sean - June 17, 2009

#44

None of the Star Trek novels have ever been canon, yet people seemed to have enjoyed them over the years. I’m not sure why it matters, really.

68. Christine - June 17, 2009

COOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!! :D

Looks really cool, and I like the art. Talented guys out there, man. I dream of being that good, aha.

(I still think a lot of the ‘Trek artists could REALLY improve on facial expressions and body language to portray emotion, though… It seems like a lot characters walk around with blank faces, and they’re not Vulcan. xD)

69. cagmar - June 17, 2009

booo,,, I went out and made an effort to get Countdown and I enjoyed it (despite some qualms) and engage with it and then the movie didn’t even really match up to the comic at all ! They’re not gonna get me again.

This is a disappointing turn of events. I would much rather have them put the cut sequences back into the film. I’m gonna enjoy it when this comic fails to match up to those sequences when they come out on DVD in the deleted scenes. Eck. I can’t even tell what’s what anymore. This is a money grab. Some fans around here payed more than $100 into tickets for the movie, and that ought to have been enough to know what happened for 25 years in the middle of the thing. Ridiculous.

I won’t be buying this one, sorry.

70. chronic_pon_farr - June 17, 2009

JJ, Bob & Alex Read this

- No Saving the Earth and/or the mighty federation plot.
- No rehash of Characters/Plots from old episodes (khan, mudd, talos)
- No romulan, vulcan, klingon, and earth major plots
- Not too much lens glare. A few is okay.
- No pipes and brewery

- More epic-looking Starships floating in space (view outside the viewscreen of the other ships warping out)
- More alien babes
- More Exploration of New worlds and civilization.

- Its time to distance this new Trek from old Trek. Kill off Old Spock. (He has served his purpose as a transitional tool from Prime Timeline to New Timeline.
- Kirk doesn’t have the experience of the Prime Kirk post-academy. Make him more mature.
- Change chekov’s hair
- Nurse Chapel
- Weird spatial anomalies
- Less Apple-like designs
- Explorations, Good dialogs, Good Characterizations, Actual good Plot = Good Movie.

71. Balok - June 18, 2009

hmmmm… based on the artwork, the Klngin skips relative ot the Narada are huge. These are 3742 feet in length. Much bigger than the new E. Also, the details around the hull, and lighting and rear torpedo launcher look exactly like TMP Klingon ships. Guess the Klingons went through their own change in time-line as well!

72. James - June 18, 2009

Cool – I liked Countdown, so I will definitely be getting this.

Are they going to be available for iPhone/iPod touch, like Countdown?

73. S. John Ross - June 18, 2009

#44:

The same is true of all the stacks of other licensed Trek fiction in print. They’re all official (not to be confused with “canon”), and quite a number of them have also been written or co-written by those involved in creating the shows or movies. Why should these comics be a magical exception? Or do you feel that any tie-in materials written by people directly involved with the shows/films should be canon? (and if so, let’s begin to count the worms in that can …)

74. ProperTrekkieUK - June 18, 2009

@71 – They dont look that big at all, its just perspective, if you look at the picture there is one closer to the Narada and it is much smaller!

Its also apparent that the Narada has somehow drifted toward a sun, due to George Kirks ramming, and that has likely caused enough damage for it to be overwhelmed by the Klingons.

I also have a running theory that perhaps only Nero is captured by the KIingons, and whilst he is tranferred to the Klingon ships the Narada is able to get away somehow? Hence why the Klingons don’t get the tech, because there has to be some method through which the Narada is able to turn up at Rura Penthe to bust Nero out!

75. I am Kurok! - June 18, 2009

I like the spinoff: this little unexpected treat kind of reminds me of “The Black Freighter” from Watchmen.

76. M@ft&n - June 18, 2009

Star Trek is officially dead.

77. mr_werns - June 18, 2009

they should release an extended edition of the movie on dvd/blu ray …
I don’t want to have to read a comic to get the whole story…
wasn’t there scenes which have actually been cut of the cinema-version dealing with neros years in prison?!

I liked the countdown comic as a bridge between st x and st xi but now another one to fill selfmade gaps?
omg

78. Jim Smith - June 18, 2009

I would like a Captain Robaru action figure.

Also, it would be cool if the deleted scenes could be edited into a featurette or short film with FX, sort of a Nero spin off/supporting feature.

79. Brett Campbell - June 18, 2009

78 – Captain RobaRU? What is that? Scooby-doo in a gold command shirt?

80. Closettrekker - June 18, 2009

#21—”they should just admit it there’s is a HUGE plot hole in the movie and chose not to fix it and it suffered because of it.”

First of all, the film is hardly suffering!

And one man’s “plot hole” is another man’s “mystery”. It is simply another story yet to be told.

81. Closettrekker - June 18, 2009

#76—”Star Trek is officially dead.”

If that is death, then can I be dead too?

82. Closettrekker - June 18, 2009

#77—-”I don’t want to have to read a comic to get the whole story…”

The you can either allow the 25 lost years to remain a mystery, or you can just watch the “deleted scenes” on the dvd/bluray disc. You don’t have to read a comic.

83. Brett Campbell - June 18, 2009

81 – Whoa, careful what you wish for, big guy! ;-)

Plus, that’s one that will come true for all of us — and much to quickly.

Remember, life is like Danny DeVito — nasty, brutish and short.

84. Closettrekker - June 18, 2009

#83—Lol.

My point being that it seems that poster’s definition of ‘dead’ may as well be not only alive but quite prosperous! :)

85. Brett Campbell - June 18, 2009

84 – I understood your meaning, my friend. I just couldn’t resist that old Danny DeVito/life simile-joke.

Be well!

86. RD - June 18, 2009

60. starfleetmom wrote: “it annoyed me that the info in the comics was so essential to understanding Nero in the film. They cut too much out of the film’s beginning, which resulted in Nero becoming a weak villian (sic)”

That isn’t why Nero was a weak villain.

I would argue that over $350 million at the box office suggests that “countdown” was not at all essential to understanding Nero in the film.

I have never heard from anyone outside this forum that they did not understand why Nero was doing what he was doing. Spock’s mind-meld explained everything clearly.

Sadly, Countdown or no, Nero’s motivation is ultimately a pointless cliche, without any real substance to distinguish him from any other used in numerous Trek films and episodes, not to mention countless other films and TV series.

87. CarlG - June 18, 2009

@76: LOL @ melodrama; all my favourite shows should be so dead.

@45: “Canon, schmanon”. i like the way you think. :) Never let imaginary facts get in the way of telling a good story.

88. trekboi - June 18, 2009

I must confess- I was confused the first time i saw the movie- untill spocks meld I thought Nero’s ship could and did move though time to be where he wanted & didnt realise he was stuck for 25 years.

I just realised that they could easily put a Picard/Data/geordi/ Enterprise E cameo in spocks meld scene!?
Levar could have filmed some scenes with the jellyfish – Patrick Stewert did a single scene for Wolverine didnt he? if needbe they could have used some shots of the Enterprise E & of picard on the bridge from nemisis with some “and with the help of some old friends” line.
Would have lasted like 10 seconds.

Why oh why JJ!
Did it not occure to him or did he have some reason not to do this?

Quick run out and put a scene together for the extended edition of the DVD!

89. patrick - June 18, 2009

perhaps i am in the majority, but nero and his crew and his ship were the least compelling believable villains in any trekfilm

even made Sybok and God from STAR TREK 5 look good by comparison.

90. S. John Ross - June 18, 2009

#86: “Sadly, Countdown or no, Nero’s motivation is ultimately a pointless cliche, without any real substance to distinguish him from any other used in numerous Trek films and episodes [...]”

I disagree on only one point: cliched, scenery-chewing villains of the Khan-knockoff type are (almost) entirely post-TWoK as far as Star Trek goes. In the actual show (not referring here to the spinoffs) villains of any kind are difficult to spot … even Khan himself was never a “villain” in the traditional sense in Space Seed; he was a problem to be solved, a danger to be understood … not a Bad Guy to be vanquished. He didn’t go villain until the movie. The same is true for most Star Trek antagonists (except, most didn’t get a movie) … they were (almost) entirely foils, puzzles, problems, rather than villains.

The idea that a Star Trek film needs a villain is 100% about trying to rip off Wrath of Khan, which made a mistake and made it so brilliantly that it deserves to be lauded … but not, necessarily, imitated (again and again and again).

91. DJT - June 19, 2009

I wish I could download these comics for my blackberry.

Damn you, i-phone!!!!

92. screaming satellite - June 19, 2009

88 – while it wouldve been fun to see TNG characters in the mind meld perhaps such a scene mightve taken the audience out the movie abit?..in what was quite an important exposition scene

i guess the reasoning was that its a full on TOS movie…and any TNG characters belonged in the prequel comic

still itd have been fun to see Stweart in a blink and you’ll miss it cameo…even if it had been unused footage from Nemesis

93. Jeyl - June 19, 2009

Hehe. I see Kaleh on the top left preview page.

94. Closettrekker - June 19, 2009

#86—-”Sadly, Countdown or no, Nero’s motivation is ultimately a pointless cliche, without any real substance to distinguish him from any other used in numerous Trek films and episodes, not to mention countless other films and TV series.”

Perhaps to the average viewer. I had no trouble buying into it at all.

Romulans and Vulcans have the same origins. Biologically, they are close to identical (accounting for some ‘post-exodus’ difference in evolution)—-which means that the violent and sometimes irrational tendancies that stem from emotions which “in many ways run deeper than in humans” are as inherent in Romulans as they are in Vulcans.

While Vulcans curb those natural instincts and keep those emotions in check by means of serenity and devotion to logic, Romulans depend upon a patriotic and slavish devotion to a militaristic and ridgedly structured state to create a sense of discipline in order to achieve similar results (with far different goals in mind of course).
We have seen Spock (who is only half-Vulcan) stripped of his logic and ability to control his emotions and what effect that has upon him (“All Our Yesterdays” is a good example of that)—-and we have seen full-blooded Vulcans succumb to complete irrationality under similar circumstances as well (ENT). Stripped of his own ability to depend upon the structure, discipline, and devotion to empire—- the Romulan Nero shouldn’t be expected to act or think rationally. On the contrary, it is strange that his behavior has any degree of sense to it at all. Theoretically, he should be a complete raving madman!

95. voodoochild3000 - June 19, 2009

#94, you nailed it. Destruction of Romulus aside, you can’t take a Romulan away from what they see as the natural order of things and expect them to remain anything like sane. Throw in 25 years in a (Klingon!) prison and almost ANYBODY would be a little nuts. The destruction of Romulus had already left Nero a little…unbalanced…so you’re right–it’s a wonder he had any coherent sense at all.

96. RD - June 19, 2009

#95, that 25 years in the Klingon prison is NOT canon, until they do a director’s cut with that footage officially released in the movie as part of the story. Until then, only core-Trekkers even know of it.

#94, I had no particular problem accepting Nero. But he is what he is. Even accepting your explanation, my perception of an insane, irrational Romulan clearly differs considerably from yours. If anything Nero behaved like an insane Vulcan, allowing logic to control himself between mouth-foaming bouts of rabid behavior, much like the battle Spock fought in Operation — Annihilate!. This, “hey guys” approach Nero takes is like no Romulan I have ever seen, much less an out-of-control one and quite a bit more like Zaphod Beeblebrox (also thoroughly insane). As far as a performance, I don’t feel Bana was particularly well motivated, nor directed in the role. It seemed to lack perspective and purpose for me, just kind of aimless. Much is made of the subtle way he underplays the role, but that rings false to me, simply justifying his poorly defined and ambiguous performance. Either way, it mattered very little because his onscreen time was limited and served its purpose. The movie was not about Nero, but rather Kirk, Spock & the Enterprise.

97. S. John Ross - June 19, 2009

#96 says: “This, “hey guys” approach Nero takes is like no Romulan I have ever seen, much less an out-of-control one and quite a bit more like Zaphod Beeblebrox (also thoroughly insane). As far as a performance, I don’t feel Bana was particularly well motivated, nor directed in the role.”

Good call on Zaphod; that’s a cool comparison :)

I think the director did as much as he could given the vapor-thin soup given Nero in the script. As I understand it, due to the provisions of the Writer’s Strike, Abrams wasn’t afforded the latitude to do on-the-set script alterations that he would normally have (but I may be misunderstanding or misremembering that).

98. S. John Ross - June 19, 2009

(oh, and likewise to Bana … I think it’s fair to say that Bana and Abrams elevated the material considerably … just imagine those lines on paper and see how hard you wince)

99. Closettrekker - June 20, 2009

#96—”The movie was not about Nero, but rather Kirk, Spock & the Enterprise.”

That’s absolutely true. The villain’s very presence is merely a tool—-a catalyst which allows the filmmakers to tell this altered timeline origin tale.

“If anything Nero behaved like an insane Vulcan, allowing logic to control himself between mouth-foaming bouts of rabid behavior, much like the battle Spock fought in Operation — Annihilate!”

Remember that Nero has, to some small degree, compensated for the loss of that ordered discipline upon which Romulans depend by personifying his angst in the form of Spock Prime and the Federation. His placement of blame may not be what you and I would consider rational, but once again—- it isn’t supposed to be. After all, most attempts at “self-medication” are ultimately unsuccessful. However, Nero (like any Romulan) still craves a degree of order to his existence. The overwhelming desire to exact revenge upon those he perceives to have been either responsible for or complacent in the lack of action which caused him to lose so much is that ordered existence he seeks. I think that this is what gives him some semblance of control, as you alluded to—and probably the only thing which prevents him from behaving like the 100% stark raving madman I described above.

100. RD - June 20, 2009

#99. It’s not his placement of blame I have a problem with. Nero certainly wouldn’t be the first villain to misplace the focus of his anger and he won’t be the last. My problem is with the 2-dimensional nature of the character I saw displayed on the screen. Nero didn’t spoil the film for me, but he also didn’t enhance it. Poor choices? Calculated decision by the director? Just me? Clearly without your analyzed backstory, general audiences didn’t have a problem with Nero either, or at least if they did, it didn’t reflect at the box office.

101. Closettrekker - June 20, 2009

#100—I think it is entirely possible that the deleted scene may have made the character a bit less “two-dimensional”. But whether it would have been effective in doing so or not, we don’t know. But we *do* know that it was the director’s choice to leave that out.

But as you pointed out before, the villain in the story is really a peripheral character anyway. ST09 is certainly not “villain-centric” by any means. Perhaps this is why Abrams decided that Nero’s expanded screentime was expendable.

102. S. John Ross - June 20, 2009

#100: “Clearly without your analyzed backstory, general audiences didn’t have a problem with Nero either, or at least if they did, it didn’t reflect at the box office.”

That last point is crucial, when we consider what portion of the ticket sales was in the first couple of weeks … fanatic Trekfans aside, most people see a film only once, and most people see a film without a lot of foreknowledge of the story details, buying their ticket and THEN seeing the movie. So, especially in the first handful of weeks, most movie tickets are simply a vote for how much people _wanted to see_ the movie based on trailers and other promotional machinery, not how much they understood it or liked it after they did so. Only in later weeks, when word-of-mouth and repeat viewings become more important than intial buzz, can we even begin to pull an abstract picture of audience satisfaction together … and Star Trek, from the looks of it, will be fading out of theaters during those weeks, so we’ll need to take an even further abstracted and distorted guess based on DVD and Blu-Ray sales later on.

That said, I expect you’re right. Given the film’s … I believe the politically correct term is “accessible” moralities ["Good Guys! Bad Guys! Big Chief Bad Guy BAD! Good Guys GOOD! Good Guys KILL BAD GUYS! YAY!"] I doubt anyone gave a wet slap about why the Bad Guy was Bad. Certainly, the film offered no invitation to think about it (around here, we think about it uninvited) ;)

103. Andrew - June 22, 2009

Hei! Where is the belt on Robau uniform? Perhaps the Romulans…

Naaaah!

104. Closettrekker - June 22, 2009

#102—”I doubt anyone gave a wet slap about why the Bad Guy was Bad. ”

Nor was it important for them to do so with a peripheral character such as Nero. The focus of the story is clearly Kirk and Spock.

“Certainly, the film offered no invitation to think about it.”

While I definitely agree that the character’s motivation isn’t particularly important, It is absolutely there within the story for the taking—in the words of both Nero and Spock Prime at different points in the film.

One need not have read “Countdown” to know that Nero has suffered great loss, for which he blames the Federation and the man who failed to deliver what his people needed to survive. Nor does one need only to rely upon Nero’s point of view, as Spock Prime conveys his own feelings of guilt and responsibility for this as well. Indeed, the audience is made completely aware that, before any of this took place, Nero was a man who had chosen to make his living as a miner—-and only chose this path after having everything of value to him taken in one fell swoop.

All of this is in the dialogue of the movie. Yet you contend that the film offers “no invitation to think about it”? What more do you require to explain a peripheral character in such a story?

105. Carlos Teran - June 26, 2009

Can’t wait to read it. I love the way this guys are trying to flesh-in the back story, and I really would like to know what happened in those 25 years.

106. spocklives.com - the ultimate site for spock fans - February 18, 2010

[...] MTV has a first look at the upcoming comic book miniseries Spock: Reflections, due out later this summer. I think they’ve made an huge error however as the article includes the line, “Reflections aims to round out Spock’s origins by shedding light on his activities leading up to the events of the film, specifically his childhood on the planet Romulus.” Romulus?! Perhaps this was just an editing mistake… I hope. In related news, Nero is also getting his own miniseries. [...]

107. Beverly Drouse - April 10, 2011

Hm, Now i’m comfortable with this but nevertheless not 100 % convinced, thus i’m gonna research a tad bit more.

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