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	<title>Comments on: Star Trek Nero Comic To Cover Nero&#8217;s Lost Years &#8211; Exclusive Preview</title>
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		<title>By: Carlos Teran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Teran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to read it. I love the way this guys are trying to flesh-in the back story, and I really would like to know what happened in those 25 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait to read it. I love the way this guys are trying to flesh-in the back story, and I really would like to know what happened in those 25 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#102---&quot;I doubt anyone gave a wet slap about why the Bad Guy was Bad. &quot;

Nor was it important for them to do so with a peripheral character such as Nero. The focus of the story is clearly Kirk and Spock. 

&quot;Certainly, the film offered no invitation to think about it.&quot;

While I definitely agree that the character&#039;s motivation isn&#039;t particularly important, It is absolutely there within the story for the taking---in the words of both Nero and Spock Prime at different points in the film.

One need not have read &quot;Countdown&quot; to know that Nero has suffered great loss, for which he blames the Federation and the man who failed to deliver what his people needed to survive. Nor does one need only to rely upon Nero&#039;s point of view, as Spock Prime conveys his own feelings of guilt and responsibility for this as well. Indeed, the audience is made completely aware that, before any of this took place, Nero was a man who had chosen to make his living as a miner----and only chose this path after having everything of value to him taken in one fell swoop.

All of this is in the dialogue of the movie. Yet you contend that the film offers &quot;no invitation to think about it&quot;? What more do you require to explain a peripheral character in such a story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#102&#8212;&#8221;I doubt anyone gave a wet slap about why the Bad Guy was Bad. &#8221;</p>
<p>Nor was it important for them to do so with a peripheral character such as Nero. The focus of the story is clearly Kirk and Spock. </p>
<p>&#8220;Certainly, the film offered no invitation to think about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I definitely agree that the character&#8217;s motivation isn&#8217;t particularly important, It is absolutely there within the story for the taking&#8212;in the words of both Nero and Spock Prime at different points in the film.</p>
<p>One need not have read &#8220;Countdown&#8221; to know that Nero has suffered great loss, for which he blames the Federation and the man who failed to deliver what his people needed to survive. Nor does one need only to rely upon Nero&#8217;s point of view, as Spock Prime conveys his own feelings of guilt and responsibility for this as well. Indeed, the audience is made completely aware that, before any of this took place, Nero was a man who had chosen to make his living as a miner&#8212;-and only chose this path after having everything of value to him taken in one fell swoop.</p>
<p>All of this is in the dialogue of the movie. Yet you contend that the film offers &#8220;no invitation to think about it&#8221;? What more do you require to explain a peripheral character in such a story?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hei! Where is the belt on Robau uniform? Perhaps the Romulans...

Naaaah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hei! Where is the belt on Robau uniform? Perhaps the Romulans&#8230;</p>
<p>Naaaah!</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#100: &quot;Clearly without your analyzed backstory, general audiences didn’t have a problem with Nero either, or at least if they did, it didn’t reflect at the box office.&quot;

That last point is crucial, when we consider what portion of the ticket sales was in the first couple of weeks ... fanatic Trekfans aside, most people see a film only once, and most people see a film without a lot of foreknowledge of the story details, buying their ticket and THEN seeing the movie. So, especially in the first handful of weeks, most movie tickets are simply a vote for how much people _wanted to see_ the movie based on trailers and other promotional machinery, not how much they understood it or liked it after they did so. Only in later weeks, when word-of-mouth and repeat viewings become more important than intial buzz, can we even begin to pull an abstract picture of audience satisfaction together ... and Star Trek, from the looks of it, will be fading out of theaters during those weeks, so we&#039;ll need to take an even further abstracted and distorted guess based on DVD and Blu-Ray sales later on.

That said, I expect you&#039;re right. Given the film&#039;s ... I believe the politically correct term is &quot;accessible&quot; moralities [&quot;Good Guys! Bad Guys! Big Chief Bad Guy BAD! Good Guys GOOD! Good Guys KILL BAD GUYS! YAY!&quot;] I doubt anyone gave a wet slap about why the Bad Guy was Bad. Certainly, the film offered no invitation to think about it (around here, we think about it uninvited) ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#100: &#8220;Clearly without your analyzed backstory, general audiences didn’t have a problem with Nero either, or at least if they did, it didn’t reflect at the box office.&#8221;</p>
<p>That last point is crucial, when we consider what portion of the ticket sales was in the first couple of weeks &#8230; fanatic Trekfans aside, most people see a film only once, and most people see a film without a lot of foreknowledge of the story details, buying their ticket and THEN seeing the movie. So, especially in the first handful of weeks, most movie tickets are simply a vote for how much people _wanted to see_ the movie based on trailers and other promotional machinery, not how much they understood it or liked it after they did so. Only in later weeks, when word-of-mouth and repeat viewings become more important than intial buzz, can we even begin to pull an abstract picture of audience satisfaction together &#8230; and Star Trek, from the looks of it, will be fading out of theaters during those weeks, so we&#8217;ll need to take an even further abstracted and distorted guess based on DVD and Blu-Ray sales later on.</p>
<p>That said, I expect you&#8217;re right. Given the film&#8217;s &#8230; I believe the politically correct term is &#8220;accessible&#8221; moralities ["Good Guys! Bad Guys! Big Chief Bad Guy BAD! Good Guys GOOD! Good Guys KILL BAD GUYS! YAY!"] I doubt anyone gave a wet slap about why the Bad Guy was Bad. Certainly, the film offered no invitation to think about it (around here, we think about it uninvited) ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#100---I think it is entirely possible that the deleted scene may have made the character a bit less &quot;two-dimensional&quot;. But whether it would have been effective in doing so or not, we don&#039;t know. But we *do* know that it was the director&#039;s choice to leave that out.

But as you pointed out before, the villain in the story is really a peripheral character anyway. ST09 is certainly not &quot;villain-centric&quot; by any means. Perhaps this is why Abrams decided that Nero&#039;s expanded screentime was expendable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#100&#8212;I think it is entirely possible that the deleted scene may have made the character a bit less &#8220;two-dimensional&#8221;. But whether it would have been effective in doing so or not, we don&#8217;t know. But we *do* know that it was the director&#8217;s choice to leave that out.</p>
<p>But as you pointed out before, the villain in the story is really a peripheral character anyway. ST09 is certainly not &#8220;villain-centric&#8221; by any means. Perhaps this is why Abrams decided that Nero&#8217;s expanded screentime was expendable.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#99. It&#039;s not his placement of blame I have a problem with. Nero certainly wouldn&#039;t be the first villain to misplace the focus of his anger and he won&#039;t be the last. My problem is with the 2-dimensional nature of the character I saw displayed on the screen. Nero didn&#039;t spoil the film for me, but he also didn&#039;t enhance it. Poor choices? Calculated decision by the director? Just me? Clearly without your analyzed backstory, general audiences didn&#039;t have a problem with Nero either, or at least if they did, it didn&#039;t reflect at the box office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#99. It&#8217;s not his placement of blame I have a problem with. Nero certainly wouldn&#8217;t be the first villain to misplace the focus of his anger and he won&#8217;t be the last. My problem is with the 2-dimensional nature of the character I saw displayed on the screen. Nero didn&#8217;t spoil the film for me, but he also didn&#8217;t enhance it. Poor choices? Calculated decision by the director? Just me? Clearly without your analyzed backstory, general audiences didn&#8217;t have a problem with Nero either, or at least if they did, it didn&#8217;t reflect at the box office.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#96---&quot;The movie was not about Nero, but rather Kirk, Spock &amp; the Enterprise.&quot;

That&#039;s absolutely true. The villain&#039;s very presence is merely a tool----a catalyst which allows the filmmakers to tell this altered timeline origin tale.



&quot;If anything Nero behaved like an insane Vulcan, allowing logic to control himself between mouth-foaming bouts of rabid behavior, much like the battle Spock fought in Operation — Annihilate!&quot;

 Remember that Nero has, to some small degree, compensated for the loss of that ordered discipline upon which Romulans depend by personifying his angst in the form of Spock Prime and the Federation. His placement of blame may not be what you and I would consider rational, but once again---- it isn&#039;t supposed to be. After all, most attempts at &quot;self-medication&quot; are ultimately unsuccessful. However, Nero (like any Romulan) still craves a degree of order to his existence. The overwhelming desire to exact revenge upon those he perceives to have been either responsible for or complacent in the lack of action which caused him to lose so much is that ordered existence he seeks. I think that this is what gives him some semblance of control, as you alluded to---and probably the only thing which prevents him from behaving like the 100% stark raving madman I described above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#96&#8212;&#8221;The movie was not about Nero, but rather Kirk, Spock &amp; the Enterprise.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s absolutely true. The villain&#8217;s very presence is merely a tool&#8212;-a catalyst which allows the filmmakers to tell this altered timeline origin tale.</p>
<p>&#8220;If anything Nero behaved like an insane Vulcan, allowing logic to control himself between mouth-foaming bouts of rabid behavior, much like the battle Spock fought in Operation — Annihilate!&#8221;</p>
<p> Remember that Nero has, to some small degree, compensated for the loss of that ordered discipline upon which Romulans depend by personifying his angst in the form of Spock Prime and the Federation. His placement of blame may not be what you and I would consider rational, but once again&#8212;- it isn&#8217;t supposed to be. After all, most attempts at &#8220;self-medication&#8221; are ultimately unsuccessful. However, Nero (like any Romulan) still craves a degree of order to his existence. The overwhelming desire to exact revenge upon those he perceives to have been either responsible for or complacent in the lack of action which caused him to lose so much is that ordered existence he seeks. I think that this is what gives him some semblance of control, as you alluded to&#8212;and probably the only thing which prevents him from behaving like the 100% stark raving madman I described above.</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(oh, and likewise to Bana ... I think it&#039;s fair to say that Bana and Abrams elevated the material considerably ... just imagine those lines on paper and see how hard you wince)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(oh, and likewise to Bana &#8230; I think it&#8217;s fair to say that Bana and Abrams elevated the material considerably &#8230; just imagine those lines on paper and see how hard you wince)</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#96 says: &quot;This, “hey guys” approach Nero takes is like no Romulan I have ever seen, much less an out-of-control one and quite a bit more like Zaphod Beeblebrox (also thoroughly insane). As far as a performance, I don’t feel Bana was particularly well motivated, nor directed in the role.&quot;

Good call on Zaphod; that&#039;s a cool comparison :)

I think the director did as much as he could given the vapor-thin soup given Nero in the script. As I understand it, due to the provisions of the Writer&#039;s Strike, Abrams wasn&#039;t afforded the latitude to do on-the-set script alterations that he would normally have (but I may be misunderstanding or misremembering that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#96 says: &#8220;This, “hey guys” approach Nero takes is like no Romulan I have ever seen, much less an out-of-control one and quite a bit more like Zaphod Beeblebrox (also thoroughly insane). As far as a performance, I don’t feel Bana was particularly well motivated, nor directed in the role.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good call on Zaphod; that&#8217;s a cool comparison :)</p>
<p>I think the director did as much as he could given the vapor-thin soup given Nero in the script. As I understand it, due to the provisions of the Writer&#8217;s Strike, Abrams wasn&#8217;t afforded the latitude to do on-the-set script alterations that he would normally have (but I may be misunderstanding or misremembering that).</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#95, that 25 years in the Klingon prison is NOT canon, until they do a director&#039;s cut with that footage officially released in the movie as part of the story. Until then, only core-Trekkers even know of it. 

#94, I had no particular problem accepting Nero. But he is what he is. Even accepting your explanation, my perception of an insane, irrational Romulan clearly differs considerably from yours. If anything Nero behaved like an insane Vulcan, allowing logic to control himself between mouth-foaming bouts of rabid behavior, much like the battle Spock fought in &lt;i&gt;Operation -- Annihilate!&lt;/i&gt;. This, &quot;hey guys&quot; approach Nero takes is like no Romulan I have ever seen, much less an out-of-control one and quite a bit more like Zaphod Beeblebrox (also thoroughly insane). As far as a performance, I don&#039;t feel Bana was particularly well motivated, nor directed in the role. It seemed to lack perspective and purpose for me, just kind of aimless. Much is made of the subtle way he underplays the role, but that rings false to me, simply justifying his poorly defined and ambiguous performance. Either way, it mattered very little because his onscreen time was limited and served its purpose. The movie was not about Nero, but rather Kirk, Spock &amp; the Enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#95, that 25 years in the Klingon prison is NOT canon, until they do a director&#8217;s cut with that footage officially released in the movie as part of the story. Until then, only core-Trekkers even know of it. </p>
<p>#94, I had no particular problem accepting Nero. But he is what he is. Even accepting your explanation, my perception of an insane, irrational Romulan clearly differs considerably from yours. If anything Nero behaved like an insane Vulcan, allowing logic to control himself between mouth-foaming bouts of rabid behavior, much like the battle Spock fought in <i>Operation &#8212; Annihilate!</i>. This, &#8220;hey guys&#8221; approach Nero takes is like no Romulan I have ever seen, much less an out-of-control one and quite a bit more like Zaphod Beeblebrox (also thoroughly insane). As far as a performance, I don&#8217;t feel Bana was particularly well motivated, nor directed in the role. It seemed to lack perspective and purpose for me, just kind of aimless. Much is made of the subtle way he underplays the role, but that rings false to me, simply justifying his poorly defined and ambiguous performance. Either way, it mattered very little because his onscreen time was limited and served its purpose. The movie was not about Nero, but rather Kirk, Spock &amp; the Enterprise.</p>
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