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	<title>Comments on: Orci &amp; Kurtzman: Chances Of Khan In Star Trek Sequel 50/50</title>
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		<title>By: Doc Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khan Noonien Singh would be a pretty good choice-maybe they could smooth out of of the bad continuety of the supermen-like placing up a few decades,instead of the late 1990&#039;s which is now placed us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khan Noonien Singh would be a pretty good choice-maybe they could smooth out of of the bad continuety of the supermen-like placing up a few decades,instead of the late 1990&#8217;s which is now placed us.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the Khan notion - it was Shatner and Montalban that made that whole thing work. 

Don&#039;t be so quick to dump the time shifting theme - check this out:
TOTALLY go with the Doomsday machine theme.

Movie Plot:

1. Movie opens with the ORIGINAL Starship Constellation under attack by the Doomsday machine. Spectacular battle; Constellation on the edge of annihilation; crew beamed onto doomed planet which is then blown up; Doomsday eating planet pieces for fuel...all that good stuff...Doomsday fueling up for final beating on Constellation...attack begins...suddenly you hear the familiar Borg introduction come over the Constellation&#039;s speakers (&quot;We are the Borg....resistance is futile)....but its in a Klingon type voice....

2. Converging beams from Doomsday and Constellation&#039;s photon torpedoes creates temporal rift and throws Doomsday AND Constellation into new Star Trek movie timeline. But you get a sneaky suspicion that it was supposed to happen this way. End of scene shows a silhouette of a man watching this battle and time rift unfold through a special &quot;temporal television set&quot; allowing him to see time unfold in front of him.

3. Constellation and Doomsday emerge - Doomsday finishes off Constellation, but not before they dispatch a subspace message containing the recording of the Borg/Klingon message.

4. Message is picked up by Starfleet. Enterprise, Lexington, Excalibur, Potemkin sent to investigate. Ships are met by Doomsday. All but Enterprise are destroyed. Enterprise is severely damaged. Same thing happens - Doomsday and Enterprise firing on each other create a temporal rift (same Borg/Klingon message is broadcast to Enterprise - which brings them to Next Generation timeline and EXACTLY to location Wolf 359, where the battle was just fought. Enterprise is allowed to drift by Doomsday because they&#039;ve got bigger fish to catch (earth and the federation) - and they need to catch up with their creators - the BORG - who have also assimilated most of the Klingon Empire, making the Borg even more vile and vicious! All of this going on while the silhouetted man is observing the whole thing - but this time, there&#039;s a second and third silhouette (one with a familiar set of ears with him)...and you can tell that the 3 silhouettes know they need to do something, because they know this is only going to get worse. In watching all of this, they have learned the technique of creating the temporal rift. Suddenly and for a moment you can see Admiral Janeway&#039;s face speaking to the silhouettes....

5. Enterprise makes repairs and manages to get to earth to meet up with Enterprise D, the Borg and Doomsday. Borg attacks both Enterprises while Doomsday begins to slice chunks out of earth. Picard and Klingon/Borg spokesperson look on from borg ship and grin. Earth, Enterprise and Enterprise D are about to be vaporized when a magnificent light is created by a new temporal rift. 

6. Enterprise A emerges from the rift with James Kirk and Spock and a familiar face or two. Doomsday turns about and starts to fire on Enterprise A - but with no effect. Borg ship joins in and fires everything at Enterprise A, but with no effect. Kirk hears the voice of the Klingon/Borg representative, telling him that they will adapt and that they will be assimilated. James Kirk smiles, gives a nasty reply back and orders Spock to &quot;fire&quot; on Doomsday and the Borg ship. Enterprise A fires a whopping transphasic torpedo and the Doomsday and the borg are assimilated - AND the torpedo creates a ripple effect that sends a deadly destructive virus through the Borg collective, obliterating the Borg from existence.

7. Kirk speaks briefly with Pine in the aftermath, and then sends Enterprise through a rift back to its own time. Enterprise A goes back to where it came from. 

8.. Final scene is Pine sharing his conversation with Kirk among his colleagues...at very end, he reveals that Kirk gave him an incredible new technology to give him near invincibility to fight off other future enemies.....

Try that one....:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the Khan notion &#8211; it was Shatner and Montalban that made that whole thing work. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be so quick to dump the time shifting theme &#8211; check this out:<br />
TOTALLY go with the Doomsday machine theme.</p>
<p>Movie Plot:</p>
<p>1. Movie opens with the ORIGINAL Starship Constellation under attack by the Doomsday machine. Spectacular battle; Constellation on the edge of annihilation; crew beamed onto doomed planet which is then blown up; Doomsday eating planet pieces for fuel&#8230;all that good stuff&#8230;Doomsday fueling up for final beating on Constellation&#8230;attack begins&#8230;suddenly you hear the familiar Borg introduction come over the Constellation&#8217;s speakers (&#8221;We are the Borg&#8230;.resistance is futile)&#8230;.but its in a Klingon type voice&#8230;.</p>
<p>2. Converging beams from Doomsday and Constellation&#8217;s photon torpedoes creates temporal rift and throws Doomsday AND Constellation into new Star Trek movie timeline. But you get a sneaky suspicion that it was supposed to happen this way. End of scene shows a silhouette of a man watching this battle and time rift unfold through a special &#8220;temporal television set&#8221; allowing him to see time unfold in front of him.</p>
<p>3. Constellation and Doomsday emerge &#8211; Doomsday finishes off Constellation, but not before they dispatch a subspace message containing the recording of the Borg/Klingon message.</p>
<p>4. Message is picked up by Starfleet. Enterprise, Lexington, Excalibur, Potemkin sent to investigate. Ships are met by Doomsday. All but Enterprise are destroyed. Enterprise is severely damaged. Same thing happens &#8211; Doomsday and Enterprise firing on each other create a temporal rift (same Borg/Klingon message is broadcast to Enterprise &#8211; which brings them to Next Generation timeline and EXACTLY to location Wolf 359, where the battle was just fought. Enterprise is allowed to drift by Doomsday because they&#8217;ve got bigger fish to catch (earth and the federation) &#8211; and they need to catch up with their creators &#8211; the BORG &#8211; who have also assimilated most of the Klingon Empire, making the Borg even more vile and vicious! All of this going on while the silhouetted man is observing the whole thing &#8211; but this time, there&#8217;s a second and third silhouette (one with a familiar set of ears with him)&#8230;and you can tell that the 3 silhouettes know they need to do something, because they know this is only going to get worse. In watching all of this, they have learned the technique of creating the temporal rift. Suddenly and for a moment you can see Admiral Janeway&#8217;s face speaking to the silhouettes&#8230;.</p>
<p>5. Enterprise makes repairs and manages to get to earth to meet up with Enterprise D, the Borg and Doomsday. Borg attacks both Enterprises while Doomsday begins to slice chunks out of earth. Picard and Klingon/Borg spokesperson look on from borg ship and grin. Earth, Enterprise and Enterprise D are about to be vaporized when a magnificent light is created by a new temporal rift. </p>
<p>6. Enterprise A emerges from the rift with James Kirk and Spock and a familiar face or two. Doomsday turns about and starts to fire on Enterprise A &#8211; but with no effect. Borg ship joins in and fires everything at Enterprise A, but with no effect. Kirk hears the voice of the Klingon/Borg representative, telling him that they will adapt and that they will be assimilated. James Kirk smiles, gives a nasty reply back and orders Spock to &#8220;fire&#8221; on Doomsday and the Borg ship. Enterprise A fires a whopping transphasic torpedo and the Doomsday and the borg are assimilated &#8211; AND the torpedo creates a ripple effect that sends a deadly destructive virus through the Borg collective, obliterating the Borg from existence.</p>
<p>7. Kirk speaks briefly with Pine in the aftermath, and then sends Enterprise through a rift back to its own time. Enterprise A goes back to where it came from. </p>
<p>8.. Final scene is Pine sharing his conversation with Kirk among his colleagues&#8230;at very end, he reveals that Kirk gave him an incredible new technology to give him near invincibility to fight off other future enemies&#8230;..</p>
<p>Try that one&#8230;.:)</p>
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		<title>By: ¿Star Trek resucita a su mejor villano? - El Estreno</title>
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		<dc:creator>¿Star Trek resucita a su mejor villano? - El Estreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] una reciente entrevista, Alex Kurtzman y Roberto Orci revelaron que la secuela de Star Trek de J.J. Abrams podría marcar [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] una reciente entrevista, Alex Kurtzman y Roberto Orci revelaron que la secuela de Star Trek de J.J. Abrams podría marcar [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNBELIEVABLE UNBELIEVABLE.....

Just when I thought Trek couldn&#039;t get any lower.

Let&#039;s have more product placement in this one too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNBELIEVABLE UNBELIEVABLE&#8230;..</p>
<p>Just when I thought Trek couldn&#8217;t get any lower.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s have more product placement in this one too.</p>
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		<title>By: Danpaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danpaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...another vote for the Gorn.   I&#039;m also another who would love to see a take on the Doomsday Machine.    Klingons, absolutely.

But Khan?   No, mainly because theres so much More out there in Trek history to revisit, build upon, reimagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;another vote for the Gorn.   I&#8217;m also another who would love to see a take on the Doomsday Machine.    Klingons, absolutely.</p>
<p>But Khan?   No, mainly because theres so much More out there in Trek history to revisit, build upon, reimagine.</p>
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		<title>By: DGill</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orci and Kurtzman may very well bring Khan into this movie because they want to steamroll over precious Trek cornerstones again and lie to the fans like they always do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orci and Kurtzman may very well bring Khan into this movie because they want to steamroll over precious Trek cornerstones again and lie to the fans like they always do.</p>
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		<title>By: spooky</title>
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		<dc:creator>spooky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather see a  truly alien looking antagonist should they go in that direction, maybe the Gorn or the Tholians. Why these aliens?! To show that Star Trek isn&#039;t just bumpy headed humanoid aliens. It would be interesting to see how the timeline change has affected Gorn/Tholian technology/territory. I want to see how and where these things live, how they are amongst one another. Lets not have the antagonists be cruel to one another, show them being loving and kind. Whereas their perspective would be that Starfleet is encroaching upon their territory etc. They consider the intrusions into their territory a serious breach. This could be a story about the prime directive taking shape meanwhile the Vulcans are looking for a new homeworld. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather see a  truly alien looking antagonist should they go in that direction, maybe the Gorn or the Tholians. Why these aliens?! To show that Star Trek isn&#8217;t just bumpy headed humanoid aliens. It would be interesting to see how the timeline change has affected Gorn/Tholian technology/territory. I want to see how and where these things live, how they are amongst one another. Lets not have the antagonists be cruel to one another, show them being loving and kind. Whereas their perspective would be that Starfleet is encroaching upon their territory etc. They consider the intrusions into their territory a serious breach. This could be a story about the prime directive taking shape meanwhile the Vulcans are looking for a new homeworld. :D</p>
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		<title>By: 1701 over Gotham City</title>
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		<dc:creator>1701 over Gotham City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Khan.

Harry Mudd... Kor, Koloth or Kang... Cyrano Jones... 
and above all, Gary Mitchell. Incredible potential.

But no Khan. It&#039;s been done so well, and going back to Khan is going to feel forced, like there was no imagination put to work.

How about NO VILLIAN. It&#039;s NOT needed! How about a go to planet and develop a story that forwards the characters... ya know, an EPISODE :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Khan.</p>
<p>Harry Mudd&#8230; Kor, Koloth or Kang&#8230; Cyrano Jones&#8230;<br />
and above all, Gary Mitchell. Incredible potential.</p>
<p>But no Khan. It&#8217;s been done so well, and going back to Khan is going to feel forced, like there was no imagination put to work.</p>
<p>How about NO VILLIAN. It&#8217;s NOT needed! How about a go to planet and develop a story that forwards the characters&#8230; ya know, an EPISODE :)</p>
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		<title>By: Browncoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Browncoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First i didn&#039;t read all the postings so far but I&#039;m with the &quot;No Khan&quot; camp, just the idea of giving the Botany Bay a cameo as was previously suggested. Either floating in space, crashing into some systems sun or if there&#039;s a plausible reason let the automatic systems come on and let it land on some uninhabited world then fade to black at the end of a future sequel.


461: the biggest POS was Voyager!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First i didn&#8217;t read all the postings so far but I&#8217;m with the &#8220;No Khan&#8221; camp, just the idea of giving the Botany Bay a cameo as was previously suggested. Either floating in space, crashing into some systems sun or if there&#8217;s a plausible reason let the automatic systems come on and let it land on some uninhabited world then fade to black at the end of a future sequel.</p>
<p>461: the biggest POS was Voyager!</p>
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		<title>By: Author of "The Vulcan Neck Pinch for Fathers"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Author of "The Vulcan Neck Pinch for Fathers"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The colonization of New Vulcan surely seems to be one obvious story.

For the work undertaken to rewrite history, it seems oddly paradoxical to go back and retell an existing story. You&#039;ve erased the canvas, so to speak, so draw something new. TWoK is iconic; let it rest.

You could argue, however, that a whole new kind of &quot;Space Seed&quot; has been set up...bring in Khan character to conquer the Vulcans who attempt to colonize the planet Spock found.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The colonization of New Vulcan surely seems to be one obvious story.</p>
<p>For the work undertaken to rewrite history, it seems oddly paradoxical to go back and retell an existing story. You&#8217;ve erased the canvas, so to speak, so draw something new. TWoK is iconic; let it rest.</p>
<p>You could argue, however, that a whole new kind of &#8220;Space Seed&#8221; has been set up&#8230;bring in Khan character to conquer the Vulcans who attempt to colonize the planet Spock found&#8230;..</p>
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