“Hmm. Mr. Nimoy agrees to do Star Trek II after the director agrees to kill of Spock halfway through the movie …”

– Spock dies at the end of the film. In a great, well written scene, fully in character.

““If Shatner is/was so concerned about the character he created, why would he agree to this? I maintain it was for the paycheck, and a “good-riddance” to Star Trek.”

So, if Mr. Nimoy is so concerned about the character he created …”

What is it with you guys? Double standard for Mr. Shatner and Mr. Nimoy? Is it ok that Mr. Nimoy took a paycheck to kill a character but IT’S NOT OK for Mr. Shatner?

– My point was quality of script and story. Nimoy has repeatedly declined a paycheck for quality issues. Shatner will take any job if the paycheck is right. Nimoy refused the easy paycheck of Generations, while Shatner agreed to have Kirk DIE, shot in the back, on some bridge. For the paycheck, and as a good-riddance to Trek. Most of the OS cast refused the easy paycheck of Generations because it sucked.

” Listen to your argument: “Mr. Shatner did it for a paycheck ..”. For crying out loud – didn’t Mr. Nimoy die as Spock “FOR A PAYCHECK”? Did he do it as charity?

Mr. Nimoy doesn’t want to do it (kill off an iconic character), ok. No problem. Mr. Shatner doesn’t want to do cameos – he’s a jerk? Why did Mr. Nimoy do ST II? Didn’t he do it for the money? Did he do it for nothing? Didn’t he do it for a paycheck just like Mr. Shatner did for STV as “you maintain”.

– Actually Nimoy wanted to kill Spock off, but only agreed to do STII if it was done right, if the story and quality of script was there. Nimoy and Shatner have both collected many paychecks from Trek. The difference is in the quality and integrity. Care to compare ST II – VI with Generations?

“Why the flipping double standard?”

– I’ll give you a few ideas: Class, or lack thereof. Respect of peers, or lack thereof.

“LInks? You believe everything you see on the Internet?”

– No, but I give more credence to actual published interviews than I do to fanboy message boards.

Hmm. Mr. Nimoy agrees to do Star Trek II after the director agrees to kill of Spock halfway through the movie …

You state:

“If Shatner is/was so concerned about the character he created, why would he agree to this? I maintain it was for the paycheck, and a “good-riddance” to Star Trek.”

So, if Mr. Nimoy is so concerned about the character he created …”

What is it with you guys? Double standard for Mr. Shatner and Mr. Nimoy? Is it ok that Mr. Nimoy took a paycheck to kill a character but IT’S NOT OK for Mr. Shatner?

Listen to your argument: “Mr. Shatner did it for a paycheck ..”. For crying out loud – didn’t Mr. Nimoy die as Spock “FOR A PAYCHECK”? Did he do it as charity?

Mr. Nimoy doesn’t want to do it (kill off an iconic character), ok. No problem. Mr. Shatner doesn’t want to do cameos – he’s a jerk? Why did Mr. Nimoy do ST II? Didn’t he do it for the money? Did he do it for nothing? Didn’t he do it for a paycheck just like Mr. Shatner did for STV as “you maintain”.

Why the flipping double standard?

LInks? You believe everything you see on the Internet?

I’ve been around ST from Day One. First episode on NBC. I’ve met Mr. Nimoy. Mr. Shatner. Mr. Takei. Had lunch with Mr. Doohan. I don’t give a crap about what the “Link” says. I base my belief on what I see. I don’t need a stupid link.

Sorry. It’s late and I log on and read the same old “Shatner bad – Nimoy good” BS. As I said, I’ve met both and they BOTH appear to be great folks. I just don’t understand why one is held to a different standard than the other.

Regards.

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The latter has been done 8 times (and 10 if you count satires) since 1920.

And while the former hasn’t been remade per se, it has been paid homage in some pretty popular films—and the concept (action film genre) was born out of that picture.

I don’t see anything wrong with remakes. It has been done throughout the history of filmmaking. Some of them are bad, and some of them are good. It takes just as much skill to direct a remake as it does an original story idea.

A good movie is a good movie—-original or otherwise.

All the good ideas are gone. Last one out of Hollywood turn out the lights.

Hollywood has _always_ been creatively bankrupt. It’s always just a matter of waiting for the gems to squeeze out of the crap-pile.

(and I like all three Maltese Falcon movies, even the two dull ones) ;)

If you thought Hollywood had scraped the bottom of the barrel, apparently the bottom hasn’t been reached just yet….

http://screenrant.com/baywatch-movie-comedy-ross-16199/

“Where is your source for “Shatner’s demanded …”?”

- OK, I stand corrected on that point. My bad for reading and believing too many fan sites. I can’t find anything to support that claim. In fact, from my research, it was the Paramount execs who demanded the re-shoot. Again my apologies.

“Hmm. “Shatner agree to die and cashed his check …” An old, tired line. Didn’t Mr. Nimoy basically do the same? Why does Mr. Nimoy get slack and Mr. Shatner the shaft?”

- Shatner did agree to do the movie, for the money, and have Kirk die, once and for all. And in the original script, which Shatner signed on to do and which was filmed, Kirk dies after being shot in the back by Soran. If Shatner is/was so concerned about the character he created, why would he agree to this? I maintain it was for the paycheck, and a “good-riddance” to Star Trek. The script, and the movie, sucks. That why most of the original cast (including Nimoy) declined offers to be involved, and declined the paycheck. They had already said their goodbyes in ST VI. As for why Nimoy gets more respect/slack than Shatner, it all boils down to “class” and the “respect” of his peers. One has them, the other does not. I’ll let you decide.

“I would never claim to know what did or did not transpire between Mr. Abrams and Mr. Shatner. However, in NONE of the quotes from either parties is there any indication that Mr. Abrams offered any part to Mr. Shatner. If so, what was there for him to turn down or reject?”

- OK, I won’t make that claim either. But look at the following links and decide who you believe. Which one is trying to cover their butt? Which one is looking for one last ride on the gravy train? Which one wishes he had done things differently? Which one kisses more butt, to that end? Which one do you believe? Which one has a history of “He said – He said” disputes?

http://screenrant.com/shatner-continues-talking-star-trek-filmnerdjamie-3743/
(Actually watch the video, don’t just rely on the quote. The video is more informative and telling)

http://screenrant.com/shatners-star-trek-absence-explained-filmnerdjamie-3637/
(…..”The bigger thing was that he was very vocal that he didn’t want to do a cameo.” …..)

The other two? M’eh!