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	<title>Comments on: Great Links: Who v Trek + Klingon Crime + Andorian Pin-up + more</title>
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		<title>By: cynos</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 23:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is said TOS never had any Andorian females... if they could have been as sexy as that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is said TOS never had any Andorian females&#8230; if they could have been as sexy as that!</p>
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		<title>By: sensor ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>sensor ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love deviantART.</description>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#72: Because they aren&#039;t TV series (although, in fairness, Star Wars has had a couple as spin-offs).

That said, any opportunity to bash Tolkien is welcome, so bring it on :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#72: Because they aren&#8217;t TV series (although, in fairness, Star Wars has had a couple as spin-offs).</p>
<p>That said, any opportunity to bash Tolkien is welcome, so bring it on :)</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re at it, why not add Star Wars and Lord of the Rings to this geek masturbatory debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re at it, why not add Star Wars and Lord of the Rings to this geek masturbatory debate.</p>
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		<title>By: VulcanNonibird</title>
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		<dc:creator>VulcanNonibird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@62 - I agree, whole world success should be counted in.

It&#039;s a two-sided sword - okay in this case Trek leads it, as Doctor Who is mainly a british phenomenon. I come from germany and love Who, but nearly anyone knows it here - but Trek is as known as in the States.

On other cases it&#039;s sad to see that movies that made fortunes - and I really mean tens of millions are said to be flop - but they ONLY flopped in the US.  What would Locutus say: &quot;You studio executives have a narrow vision!&quot; (-:

On a personal note: I like the Who DVDs of the classic series more than the new Trek release. First, they have the better and more funny extras and Second, they have the old and new effects on the discs - while Trek makes those exclusive to the Blu-Ray which sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@62 &#8211; I agree, whole world success should be counted in.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a two-sided sword &#8211; okay in this case Trek leads it, as Doctor Who is mainly a british phenomenon. I come from germany and love Who, but nearly anyone knows it here &#8211; but Trek is as known as in the States.</p>
<p>On other cases it&#8217;s sad to see that movies that made fortunes &#8211; and I really mean tens of millions are said to be flop &#8211; but they ONLY flopped in the US.  What would Locutus say: &#8220;You studio executives have a narrow vision!&#8221; (-:</p>
<p>On a personal note: I like the Who DVDs of the classic series more than the new Trek release. First, they have the better and more funny extras and Second, they have the old and new effects on the discs &#8211; while Trek makes those exclusive to the Blu-Ray which sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#67 sez: &quot;But I guess it depends how you define success.&quot;

Just randomly offhand (and BARELY scratching the surface) it could be any possible combination of:

* Years on air.
* Consecutive years on air.
* Duration of original show.
* Combined durations of spinoffs.
* Profile of talent attracted to working on the show or its spinoffs (in terms of celebrated writers, celebrity guest appearances, etc)
* Worldwide Viewership/ratings of original show.
* Worldwide Viewership/ratings of spinoffs.
* Size of worldwide broadcast market.
* Global name recognition of show, character names, etc.
* Genre/Medium accolades (Emmy, Hugo, Nebulas, BAFTA, etc)
* Number and sales of paperback novelizations
* Number and viewership of matinee serials
* Number and listenership of radio or audio dramas
* Number and sales of comic-book tie-ins
* Number and ticket sales of cinema tie-ins
* Number and sales of videogame tie-ins
* Genre/Medium accolades for any of the tie-ins
* Breadth, depth, and duration of toy tie-ins
* Scale of annual conventions devoted entirely to show or spinoffs
* Number, readership, and duration of magazines devoted entirely to show or spinoff
* Number, readership, and durations of fanzines devoted entirely to show or spinoff
* Sheer volume of deeply crappy fan fiction devoted to show
* Theoretical volume of potentially uncrappy fan fiction devoted to show
* Breadth of appeal (comparison of popularity with different age groups, gender groups, ethnic groups, social classes, education levels, etc)
* Impact on other, unrelated shows.
* Number of simultaneous spinoffs supported by audience (Next week on Doctor Who: The Doctor snogs someone again! Next up it&#039;s Doctor Who Confidential, and then a special devoted to forthcoming seasons of Torchwood, Torchwood DeClassified, Sarah Jane Adventures, K-9 Adventures, and Totally Doctor Who!)
* Number of languages show and spinoffs typically translated into.
* Career profiles of actors attributable to participation in show.
* Academic writings devoted to show.
* Non-fiction fan writings devoted to show (articles, essays, etc)
* Whether or not it&#039;s by Joss Whedon.
* Depth of flamewars devoted to show.
* Number of Internet misspellings and mis-namings commonly attributed to show (Doctor Spock, Darlek, etc).
* Number of people who&#039;ve either knitted a giant scarf or had their ears surgically mangled in honor of the show.
* Theme weddings, number of, and typical years before divorce from.
* Pop-culture references (Jokes by talk-show hosts, appearances in political cartoons, offhand references in daytime soap operas)
* Mainstream acceptability (or &quot;Is there a stigma associated with being a fan of the show?&quot; inversely).

And so on. It would be child&#039;s play to rattle off _hundreds_ more, and then the fun is assigning each criteria a weight (and when it comes to that, it&#039;s 100% subjective ...) and metrics.

So, adding it all up: I believe the most successful SF TV series in history is &quot;Salvage One,&quot; everybody&#039;s favorite show about Andy Griffith in space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#67 sez: &#8220;But I guess it depends how you define success.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just randomly offhand (and BARELY scratching the surface) it could be any possible combination of:</p>
<p>* Years on air.<br />
* Consecutive years on air.<br />
* Duration of original show.<br />
* Combined durations of spinoffs.<br />
* Profile of talent attracted to working on the show or its spinoffs (in terms of celebrated writers, celebrity guest appearances, etc)<br />
* Worldwide Viewership/ratings of original show.<br />
* Worldwide Viewership/ratings of spinoffs.<br />
* Size of worldwide broadcast market.<br />
* Global name recognition of show, character names, etc.<br />
* Genre/Medium accolades (Emmy, Hugo, Nebulas, BAFTA, etc)<br />
* Number and sales of paperback novelizations<br />
* Number and viewership of matinee serials<br />
* Number and listenership of radio or audio dramas<br />
* Number and sales of comic-book tie-ins<br />
* Number and ticket sales of cinema tie-ins<br />
* Number and sales of videogame tie-ins<br />
* Genre/Medium accolades for any of the tie-ins<br />
* Breadth, depth, and duration of toy tie-ins<br />
* Scale of annual conventions devoted entirely to show or spinoffs<br />
* Number, readership, and duration of magazines devoted entirely to show or spinoff<br />
* Number, readership, and durations of fanzines devoted entirely to show or spinoff<br />
* Sheer volume of deeply crappy fan fiction devoted to show<br />
* Theoretical volume of potentially uncrappy fan fiction devoted to show<br />
* Breadth of appeal (comparison of popularity with different age groups, gender groups, ethnic groups, social classes, education levels, etc)<br />
* Impact on other, unrelated shows.<br />
* Number of simultaneous spinoffs supported by audience (Next week on Doctor Who: The Doctor snogs someone again! Next up it&#8217;s Doctor Who Confidential, and then a special devoted to forthcoming seasons of Torchwood, Torchwood DeClassified, Sarah Jane Adventures, K-9 Adventures, and Totally Doctor Who!)<br />
* Number of languages show and spinoffs typically translated into.<br />
* Career profiles of actors attributable to participation in show.<br />
* Academic writings devoted to show.<br />
* Non-fiction fan writings devoted to show (articles, essays, etc)<br />
* Whether or not it&#8217;s by Joss Whedon.<br />
* Depth of flamewars devoted to show.<br />
* Number of Internet misspellings and mis-namings commonly attributed to show (Doctor Spock, Darlek, etc).<br />
* Number of people who&#8217;ve either knitted a giant scarf or had their ears surgically mangled in honor of the show.<br />
* Theme weddings, number of, and typical years before divorce from.<br />
* Pop-culture references (Jokes by talk-show hosts, appearances in political cartoons, offhand references in daytime soap operas)<br />
* Mainstream acceptability (or &#8220;Is there a stigma associated with being a fan of the show?&#8221; inversely).</p>
<p>And so on. It would be child&#8217;s play to rattle off _hundreds_ more, and then the fun is assigning each criteria a weight (and when it comes to that, it&#8217;s 100% subjective &#8230;) and metrics.</p>
<p>So, adding it all up: I believe the most successful SF TV series in history is &#8220;Salvage One,&#8221; everybody&#8217;s favorite show about Andy Griffith in space.</p>
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		<title>By: PunkSpocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>PunkSpocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Star Wars won the poll, it&#039;s a dumbed-down version of Star Trek. Star Trek makes people think too much and is about peace and greatness. I&#039;ll be around in 20 years and we&#039;ll see what survives as the greatest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Star Wars won the poll, it&#8217;s a dumbed-down version of Star Trek. Star Trek makes people think too much and is about peace and greatness. I&#8217;ll be around in 20 years and we&#8217;ll see what survives as the greatest!</p>
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		<title>By: Lt.  Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lt.  Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw those Klingons at the Vegas Convention, they were a riot and had a lots of fun back then. Having spent many a time in Quarks at STTE, I have come to the conclusion that Klingons know how to have a good time....must be the Bloodwine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw those Klingons at the Vegas Convention, they were a riot and had a lots of fun back then. Having spent many a time in Quarks at STTE, I have come to the conclusion that Klingons know how to have a good time&#8230;.must be the Bloodwine.</p>
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		<title>By: Troubled Tribble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troubled Tribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like both shows.

But I guess it depends how you define success.  The article above equates success with lucrative, but obviously that cannot be the test used by Guinness. Clearly the Star Trek franchise has made more money.

Perhaps Guinness restricted the comparison to TOS only, excluding the movies. 
This would be a clearer comparison as TNG DS9 VOY and ENT are spin offs. Doctor Who has been one long, albeit not continuous, series.

Doctor Who has only been made by one company; the BBC. 
Though Star Trek was produced by Desilu, the Star Trek franchise has been owned/produced by Desilu &amp; Paramount.

You have to compare like for like.  It says most succesful sci-fi *series*
Not more successful sci-fi franchise. 

If that were the case we would have to start including Star Wars, Terminator, Alien etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like both shows.</p>
<p>But I guess it depends how you define success.  The article above equates success with lucrative, but obviously that cannot be the test used by Guinness. Clearly the Star Trek franchise has made more money.</p>
<p>Perhaps Guinness restricted the comparison to TOS only, excluding the movies.<br />
This would be a clearer comparison as TNG DS9 VOY and ENT are spin offs. Doctor Who has been one long, albeit not continuous, series.</p>
<p>Doctor Who has only been made by one company; the BBC.<br />
Though Star Trek was produced by Desilu, the Star Trek franchise has been owned/produced by Desilu &amp; Paramount.</p>
<p>You have to compare like for like.  It says most succesful sci-fi *series*<br />
Not more successful sci-fi franchise. </p>
<p>If that were the case we would have to start including Star Wars, Terminator, Alien etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Balok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the name of the doctor?
No, Who&#039;s the doctor.
Who&#039;s the Doctor?
That&#039;s right, Who....
...First base.

Hey, Orci, please tell JJ to put the Andorian babe in the next movie, you can call her &quot;Carol Marcus&quot; to really mess with us old timers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the name of the doctor?<br />
No, Who&#8217;s the doctor.<br />
Who&#8217;s the Doctor?<br />
That&#8217;s right, Who&#8230;.<br />
&#8230;First base.</p>
<p>Hey, Orci, please tell JJ to put the Andorian babe in the next movie, you can call her &#8220;Carol Marcus&#8221; to really mess with us old timers&#8230;</p>
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