That’s not the issue –in fact, I didn’t even touch on appearance as an issue. I’m concerned with the integrity of the timeline and how the original timeline has been affected and altered by this new one, which clearly changes everything.

“also…it IS a NEW timeline that’s SIMILAR but not THE SAME as TOS…”

That’s the problem actually.

“as for Spock’s actions…see how youd react if you were inadvertently responsible for the deaths of over 6 billion Romulans and over 6 billion of your own people and your own mother and Kirk’s father in an alternate timeline…”

Spock was not “responsible” for all that –he was doing all that he possibly could to rectify the situation when he simply ran out of time. And what canon shows is that when a problem in the timeline like that one emerged, the answer was to go back in time to correct the timeline, such as in “City on the Edge of Forever,” and ST IV: TVH, which was a little different in that they went back in time there to retrieve whales, which had gone extinct by the 23rd century –but if he could go back to the 20th century to retrieve two humpback whales, one would think that saving Romulus and thereby preventing the events that unfolded in this film from happening would have been just as important, if not more so.

“Vulcan logic and discipline were not designed to be adequate to deal with the guilt and trauma of being accidentally responsible for the deaths of over 12 billion people…moreover he felt since he was there already he had a responsibility to the people of the new timeline…”

Spock’s responsibility when it came to maintaining the integrity of a timeline was always in seeing to it that history unfolded correctly, in addition to his lives of his fellow comrades and those closest to him –in other words, the crew of the Enterprise and what would happen to them also.

“so dont presume that Prime Spock’s actions were out of character as you dont have suffjcient information to form an accurate argument…”

Sure I do –I know the storyline to this latest movie, where it starts and where it ends, and I just gave you an argument that holds solidly true to the character, whereas what happens in this film doesn’t by the end of the movie and is simply inconsistent with who Spock was and what he believed, regardless of what stage of his life is at issue.

Sure I do –I know the storyline to this latest movie, where it starts and where it ends, and I just gave you an argument that holds solidly true to the character, whereas what happens in this film doesn’t by the end of the movie and is simply inconsistent with who Spock was and what he believed, regardless of what stage of his life is at issue.

A friend of mine was talking up how much better the movie was than “that show that doesn’t exist” (enterprise). Sadly I pointed out that in the movie continuity Enterprise is the only show that counts!

As for this notion about a new universe having ’split off’ and being created when Nero and Spock went through the black hole –I’ve already pondered that prospect elsewhere but deemed it highly unlikely. Their having gone back to an already existing alternate timeline with subtle differences in its history would be far more likely, all things considered.

I realize some people may consider this a silly thing to get all hung up on …I did notice that someone here mentioned their chalking it up to being just ‘a different version of Trek’ altogether, which it obviously is, but then it would have probably been better if they didn’t include Nimoy at all to give a solid sense of continuity and a real connection to the original series and its characters. Frankly, I’m peeved by the extent to which Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams want to just skate with this without making a solid definitive statement clearly addressing the problem head on, because it’s a serious issue to longtime fans like myself. “The original timeline remains intact even though this one obviously overwrites it.”

Give me a break. That’s just taking the fan base for granted IMHO, and it’s really no better than a lot of the stunts Berman and Braga pulled when thumbing their noses at Trek fans, especially at fans of the original series, which arguably they took the most for granted during their time running the franchise.