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Star Trek Movie Deleted Klingon Scene Available Online + DVD/Blu-ray Debuts In Some Countries October 27, 2009

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Ready for more Klingons? Tonight during the Scream 2009 awards, Spike TV debuted one of the DVD/Blu-ray deleted scenes from the 2009 Star Trek movie. The scene shows Nero being interrogated by the Klingons while at Rura Penthe prison, and it is now online, check it out below. Plus we have some news on special Star Trek movie releases overseas.

 

The Wait is over
You can now see the scene which led to Nero saying "the wait is over", which showed up in the first Star Trek trailer, but not in the film itself.

Star Trek – DVD Bonus Footage | Movies & TV | SPIKE.com

And a little piece of trivia. The Klingon interrogating Nero is played by Victor Garber, who was one of the stars of JJ Abrams Alias.

Star Trek released in some countries + special Int’l limited editions
The North American release of Star Trek on home video is November 17th, while the UK gets it November 16th.  But some lucky fans can pick it up this week. Star Trek has been released or is coming out in the next few days in France, Australia, India, Poland, Taiwan, Argentina, Iceland, the Philippines, and some other countries. Others get it next week, like Germany. [NOTE: if it has been released in your country let us know]. 

Here is an ad for Star Trek home video in France (thanks to LeSpock).

Like in the USA, there are some special editions overseas. Amazon in the UK is has versions that include the Countdown Comic book, and Play.com has a version of the film that comes on a Starfleet USB drive (see below).  In Japan, Germany and Australia there is a version with a model Enterprise, where the disks are inside the saucer.


UK USB Star Trek digital version


International edition with ship disk holder

In US we have the Amazon Exclusive Blu-ray with the pewter Star Trek statue, and the Best Buy exclusive DVD with the metal pins. Those and the other sets are all listed below for pre-order

Title Blu-ray DVD
Star Trek 2009 3-disk set

3-disk set w/ replica

3-disk set w/ badges


Best Buy gift set $27.99
(SALE DISCOUNT
FROM $39.99)
2-disk

1-disk

Official site updated
One last bit of home video news. The official Star Trek movie site has been updated with a new ‘splash page’ promoting the upcoming DVD and Blu-ray releases. It has images of the box art and details on the releases, but is the same details we have reported here previously. Hopefully more content will be added before the release.

 

Comments

1. Enterprise - October 27, 2009

One thing this movie had a lot of – torture scenes.

2. Chris M - October 27, 2009

I’ve already purchased the Star Trek limited edition two disc DVD set with the Enterprise and the three disc Blu Ray, watched some of the sepcial features last nite including the deleted scenes, was awesome to finally see exactly what was left out of the movie as well as the making of features! :)

3. Thehaggard - October 27, 2009

#1 – You mean the audience?

(sorry… someone was bound to say it)

4. Thehaggard - October 27, 2009

Here in Taiwan I am eagerly awaiting my Amazon BR DVD in the mail… I will no doubt wait an eternity. Thanks for uploading this video for my appetite.

5. Mr. Delicious - October 27, 2009

Never mess with Jack Bristow…

6. Mark Paul Noble - October 27, 2009

Hey y’all. I’m Mark Paul from the Philippines. Heard that the DVD will be released this coming Oct.30th here in our country. :D

7. Zebonka - October 27, 2009

I’m glad that was taken out. That stunk… Victor Garber is great though.

8. Captain Dan - October 27, 2009

Just bought my Star Trek Blu-Ray edition from JB Hi-Fi, $29.98AUD (www.jbhifionline.com.au) is a bargain compared to EzyDVD at $42.97! (www.ezydvd.com.au)

Awaiting the DVD version with the model of the starship in the mail, and I went mad and also ordered the Amazon US version with the QMx Enterprise replica as well, which I’ll have to wait until the end of November to see but I’m sure it’ll be worth it :)

Dan

9. sera18alpha - October 28, 2009

# 6

Nice to see another pinoy trekkie here :)

October 30? To hell with my allowance. I’m going to “PUNCH IT”. :))

10. Sebi - October 28, 2009

Hi Anthony,

sorry but Germany get’s the DVD / Blu-Ray on Nov. 2nd. Check amazon.de.

Take care

11. Jim Nightshade - October 28, 2009

I thought the scene was pretty good except the scene showing the alien bug thats been overdone but mad Angry nero kicking klingon butt was kool—scream awards were interesting–didnt see much in the way of trek costumes in the audience–the shat was funny shamelessly promoting trek five haha as he stole jjs award–stan lee did not offer one word of thanx to legends like kirby and dikto for co creating most of the marvel universe with lee-lee does deserve accolades but his artist partners should have bwen mentioned-he acted like tobey mcquire and sam raimi were more important to the franchise than dikto and kirby–if i were one of the co creators or their familiesbi would be poed at lee-

12. captain_root - October 28, 2009

All editions of Star Trek (1 DVD, 2 DVD and Blu-Ray) are now available in Poland (they were officially released yesterday).

13. DJT - October 28, 2009

Say what?!

14. David P - October 28, 2009

more bugs! i guess no one has “Raid” cans in space

15. Sean - October 28, 2009

Interesting how the Klingons wore helmets to cover their foreheads. The helmets had the Klingon ridges on them, but if Trek lore holds, there aren’t any ridges under those masks.

I’m glad the scene was deleted, though. It would have ruined the development of the plot by spoiling some things a bit early.

16. sci-fi bri - October 28, 2009

can’t believe i have to wait another dang month for this.

transformers, ji joe, …. they’re out already.

17. Will - October 28, 2009

The middle of the scene is missing? Mr. Bristow talks about placing a bug someplace nasty, and then suddenly he’s asking for the prisoner to be taken to his cell. An unmade special effects sequence of the bug going somewhere maybe?

18. Will_H - October 28, 2009

I might be the first and maybe only person to think that they should have left that in. It was just such a hole that needed to be filled in the movie. It helped a bit to have read the countdown comics but even with that it was still a bit off.

19. Pinhead - October 28, 2009

#17: I was thinking the exact same thing!

20. T-Majesty - October 28, 2009

Where did the Klingon’s BALLS go! Those weren’t Klingon’s, they sounded and acted like Romulan’s. loved seeing the Klingon’s, but glad they were cut from the movie. WHY THE RIDGES!

21. Taemo - October 28, 2009

I guess they gave the Klingons helmets, because they were not yet sure about their ultimate design. Now they can really figure them out next time. And they say in an interview, they hinted at the fact, that they are Klingons, because they gave them prostectics around the eyes, which can be seen despite the helmets. Nice try, but Klingon make-up never contained wrinkles around the eyes.

By the way, did you see those purple flashes, just like in TUC

22. yoyoyoyoyo1984 - October 28, 2009

I managed to get my Blu Ray copy on Monday the 26th from Video Ezy in Australia. The clerks accidently put it out for sale, so I was lucky enough to get it a few days earlier as it comes out on Thursday here. Fantastic on Blu Ray, and some of the best special features I have ever checked out on a movie.

Note about the deleted scenes.The first part of this Klingon scene has a very interesting alien who I hope to see again as his design was amazing. I also found the extended Kobiyashi Maru scene more entertaining than the original along with a scene involving Kirk and a ‘green girl’ later on in the film that also had to be cut because of the change in the Maru scene.

23. Mark Paul Noble - October 28, 2009

@ #9. sera18alpha

I’ve been buzzing around here in the site for months already, but didn’t bother to post a comment coz’ reading all of the posts makes me feel contended already. :P

me too! no allowance. errr :P wish classes would start again. :D

24. NCC-73515 - October 28, 2009

10 Sebi
May I ask where you are from and if you are a Lokalist?
Greetings from Munich :D

25. Crewman Darnell - October 28, 2009

I’m divided on this scene, as I still am with the rest of the movie…
If nothing else, hearing the Klingon torturer actually speaking more like a TOS Klingon, rather than a slobbering brute was a bit refreshing.

26. roadsiren21 - October 28, 2009

@sera18alpha & @markpaulnoble

make that 3 Pinoys, but i’ve been here since sept2006 the time this website started. any idea where they’ll sell the DVDs?

27. S. John Ross - October 28, 2009

Hm. I love the new Klingon look, but the urbane vocal tones and Colonel Klink walk around the torture table felt very strange.

I love the look, though.

28. Sebi - October 28, 2009

NCC-73515,

Servus! Na freilich bin ich bei den Lokalisten…. influxx-sebi.

Grüsse aus Rosenheim!

29. Paulaner - October 28, 2009

#25 “hearing the Klingon torturer actually speaking more like a TOS Klingon, rather than a slobbering brute was a bit refreshing”

Totally agreed.

30. NL-NaeZ - October 28, 2009

Holland a.k.a. The Netherlands will have the dvd and blu-ray on the 5th of November.. the sad part is: We’re going the have a 2-disc (!!) Blu-ray special edition, without the digitally copy :-(

31. SirBroiler - October 28, 2009

How the heck is it that an American-made movie starts showing up on the shelves weeks before the U.S.? No wonder this country is in a tailspin. We don’t even get our own movies first.

32. sic - October 28, 2009

In Hungary, the 2-disc DVD and BR edititions are available from today. A net store had them for order already a week ago. I saw the movie on 7th May. So sometimes it’s good to be hungarian :)

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34. Trek Fan Forever - October 28, 2009

Why do we have to wait so long for the DVD?!! That’s not fair, especially when the bulk of the box office was domestic. I’m glad the movie was well received overseas, but come on, I wan’t my copy now. Sorry for sounding like a whining kid, but the agony of waiting is just too much. I want to enjoy the movie on my big screen and here it in surround sound.

35. Happy Russia - October 28, 2009

That guard was the least threatening Klingon I’ve ever seen. The TOS Klingons were always intimidating–this guy? Meh…. Take off the helmets, there’s no need for them.

And I find Nero’s escape a bit boring, too. I suppose that’s a Romulan’s only way of defeating three Klingons, huh? Shooting them? He can’t beat them without a gun!

36. Closettrekker - October 28, 2009

Liked what I saw. Wished they would have finished the scene though and left it in.

37. Closettrekker - October 28, 2009

#15—“The helmets had the Klingon ridges on them, but if Trek lore holds, there aren’t any ridges under those masks.”

I’m not sure that’s necessarily true. Like it or not, ENT is a part of Trek canon. It’s certainly plausible that some Klingons might have ridges during the 2250’s, while others might not. I don’t think they would encounter any continuity issues either way. There’s an “out” at either end of the spectrum.

38. SemiNormal - October 28, 2009

The one deleted scene that added the most to the film was the one with young Kirk and his brother discussing the car, prior to Jim stealing it.

It makes that whole scene so much more palatable.

Still, I understood what they were saying about the pacing of the film being better without it.

39. I'm Dead Jim - October 28, 2009

I wish people woould get over the “ridges” issue. Next you’ll be saying the Klingons from TMP weren’t canon because they had ridges. GOT RIDGES? HELL YEAH!

40. New Horizon - October 28, 2009

Adds some much needed backstory to Nero. Too bad they had to cut the movie down so much. Nero’s revenge simply lacked teeth.

41. Darren - October 28, 2009

That’s not the whole scene by the way. This is about 1:20 when it should be 3mins. I think they cut the slugs being used on Nero.

42. Shatner_Fan_Prime - October 28, 2009

That scene was awesome! And I don’t agree that Nero lacked backstory/motivation. As a Star Trek fan, the fact that Romulus had been destroyed gave him all the motivation he needed, IMO. I found him more compelling than many Trek movie villains.

43. Mark Paul Noble - October 28, 2009

@ #26. roadsiren21

cool! 3 Pinoy Trekkies here. Most probably they’ll be out on any local home video stores like Astrovision, Astroplus, Tower Records, Music One. :D

44. Crusade2267 - October 28, 2009

Is that a painstick? Nice touch.

45. Demode - October 28, 2009

If they ever include that scene in a special edition, they should re-dub the lines with someone who sounds like a true Klingon. Just get J. G. Hertzler (Martok) or Robert O’Reilly (Gowron) to re-dub the lines.

Also, it does appear that a part of the scene is missing once the bug bowl is placed next to Nero.

46. brady - October 28, 2009

That Enterprise that holds the disc ROCKS!!

47. Jeffery Wright - October 28, 2009

Nero was a miner, who’s planet was destroyed by a natural event.

For some reason, only an offworld ambassador was in a position to try and drop “red matter” into a star that apparently exhibited extremely rapid signs that it was going to explode. (No one had any trilithium on hand? Red matter? Really? Does it taste like cherries?)

Romulus has no fleet of ships of it’s own, and no one to respond to, well, unexpected turns of events like their sun going nova?

A desperate, last ditch attempt, and apparently Romulans did not have a chance to leave their system… how much warning did they have?

Months? Weeks? Hours? Or what?

24th century tech could not have detected stellar fluctuations, or other symptoms of supernova several decades in advance?

So the alien ambassador gave it his best shot, it didnt work, and thats all a miner, who must have been outside the star system at the time, to take revenge and, with his mining ship, destroy the Federation?

With his mining ship?

Good thing Vulcan had NO ships or any kind of planetary defenses, not so much as a rock to throw, and that the finest Fed starships were no match for a mining ship…

Thats the equivalent of a modern offshore oil rig, going back in time and destroying the Spanish Armada of the 16th century.

The movie was fun, but Trek?

I hope the new Forbidden Planet is handled with more care.

48. Jeffery Wright - October 28, 2009

The only Klingons without ridges were from a failed Eugenic hybrid experiment, ended around the 23rd century. Klingons are also more than just a race of warriors.

Some fans might be surprised that there are also Klingon doctors, scientists, chefs, entertainers, artists, bureaucrats, construction workers, etc…

The same fans who probably couldnt deal with a Vulcan like T’Pol… “but Vulcans are all the same, like cartoon characters!”

49. JimJ - October 28, 2009

I like this scene, but why use the slugs once again? I’d say, use “pain sticks” on him for torture. Anyway, I agree that is was good to have flavor from both styles of Klingons…walk & talk like a TOS Klingon, but other qualities of TMP-VOY era Klingons. It’s all good.

50. JimJ - October 28, 2009

#47-I’m pretty sure I read several places that his “mining ship” also had Borg technology on it….plus, it’s from the future, that’s why it could kick some “Federation of the past” ass!

51. Chris Pike - October 28, 2009

Good points.
The backstory to the Narada’s Borg power maybe should have been referred to better. The fact that the film was so enjoyable made me not consider these sort of inconsistencies, and overlook the design flaws too. But on reflection they are a tad dissapointing…

52. RAMA - October 28, 2009

I love it, its so short it wouldn’t have affected the flow of the movie

53. Shatner_Fan_Prime - October 28, 2009

#45 “If they ever include that scene in a special edition, they should re-dub the lines with someone who sounds like a true Klingon. Just get J. G. Hertzler (Martok) or Robert O’Reilly (Gowron) to re-dub the lines.”

No! This is exactly why I like this scene. Victor Garber is an eloquently spoken actor. Like John Colicos or Christopher Plummer. The contradiction between the brutal look and the intelligence is what makes TOS era Klingons great.

54. Jim Cude - October 28, 2009

I’m glad this was left out so a better characterization of Klingons can be created. These guys looked and sounded a bit more like random villains of the week than the arch-nemesis of the Federation. However, that said this still leaves the biggest gaping plot hole in the otherwise excellent Star Trek: what the heck was Nero and Co. doing for 25+ years it took for Kirk to grow up?

55. Kang - October 28, 2009

Thank god they didn’t make the Klingon sound like a drunken yob.

Klingons were never meant to be like that – bad writing led to that.

56. Montreal Paul - October 28, 2009

I like the deleted scene. I like we don’t see the whole face.. more mysterious. We see the eye and we see the beard. The helmet suggests ridges.

57. Chadwick - October 28, 2009

@ 54. Jim Cude exactly, we fans know but the no trek fan had no idea what was going on, not only where was he for 25 years but why didn’t he age? Novices don’t know that Romulans have a longer life span than humans.

I personally think the klingon prison scene should have been left in, the scene where the Narada is surrounded by klingon ships after the Kelvin and when the Narada destroys all the klingon ships. I mean its a star trek movie and we did not see ONE klingon shit (except the Kobyashi test) I mean we left all the multiple ship battle scenes out of the movie in favor of character introduction and development ……fine…but for the second movie I want to see fleets of ships battling other fleets of ships, one on one does not cut it for a big blockbuster. The Dominion war gave me way more pleasure and satisfaction when it comes to battles than anything I saw in the new movie. One noble enterprise battles the evil Narada..ooooOOOOooooo.

I just hate when any movie cuts out scenes. So, it worked on paper and not on film? And I am supposed to say thanks for cutting it out of the film and putting it on the DVD as a special feature? If you write it and film it, leave it in the god damn movie lol.

58. LJ - October 28, 2009

I would have liked the deleted scene left in: perhaps foreshadowing the appearance of the Klingons as the primary antagonist in the next film. Such scenes could have gone some way to explaining how the Klingons may have acquired more advanced tech (whilst we don’t know they possess it, it would be nice to give them some kind of doomsday device).

59. Jonathan - October 28, 2009

Everyone, just as an FYI:

BestBuy.com has the Blu Ray movie disc and the Season Sets on sale big time!

Blu Ray ST movie: $21
Seasons 2 and 3 (Blu Ray): $56 each
Season 1 (Blu-Ray): $59.50

I pre-ordered the movie and Season 3 to lock in the price. They do charge for shipping, but they also have the “in store” pickup option to avoid shipping fees. If there is a BB near you (there are plenty of them in my area), just chose this option and pick it up yourself :) .

60. Jeyl - October 28, 2009

So JJ turned the Klingons into “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” live action Shredder wannabes?

61. old - October 28, 2009

they should have let the scene in the movie, it points out for the audience why and of whom is nero waiting for all these long years.

it also says that nero isnt only a bad guy who flew around 20 years in his cosy spaceship to wait for revenge but a bad guy who maybe only survived because of his hate for spock.

sry jj but why in the hell are you cutting out so important scenes ?

62. RetroWarbird - October 28, 2009

I can see why the scene was cut, I guess. But it’s so brief, I wouldn’t have been able to do it.

At any rate … the Klingons in a new, Spanish Inquisition style light? Cool, cool. But this scene is pretty worthless without the preceding scene of the Klingons actually capturing Nero.

63. Alec - October 28, 2009

That looks like a pretty weak scene: I’m not disappointed that it didn’t make the final cut. And that Klingon is more than a little reminiscent of Darth Vader….

64. Eli - October 28, 2009

I’m still hoping that Target brings that Enterprise model DVD holder over to the States.

They’re selling a new Bumblebee case for the new Transformers DVD that wasn’t advertised online, so I’m hopeful they got the same thing up their sleeve for “Star Trek.”

65. Daoud - October 28, 2009

#19 What? Old Klingons can’t have *wrinkles*? There have been plenty of older men portraying Klingons who had wrinkles around their eyes.

#48 Actually, it was then a *virus* which spread throughout the Empire affecting about everyone. Of course, until it was cured in 2269-2270, and led to a great new Klingon Propaganda film. ;)

Overall, everyone forgets the element we know about the Narada being adapted with Borg technology… thus explaining how the ship “repaired” itself and came back for Nero. The new comic with K/O’s input is even furthering that with some sort of “link” between Nero’s mind, and the “mind” of Narada. Too bad *that* wasn’t inserted at least somewhere by more dialog by Nimoy’s Spock.

And, who can complain with a Klingon Prison Interrogator being portrayed by a man named “Victor”. And I give you John Schuck’s Klingon Ambassador in comparison, from the couple TOS movies he was in. He certainly wasn’t drooling and acting like a bizarro Klingon.

66. Adam E - October 28, 2009

But it doesn’t show how he lost part of his ear!

67. nel2012 - October 28, 2009

It has been released today here in my country, Argentina :)

68. Trevor John - October 28, 2009

The shaky cam makes me angry and want to punch kitties.

Other than that…I don’t know, the scene was adequate.
I just can’t get into the new movie.

69. OneBuckFilms - October 28, 2009

57 – Actually, I am grateful that they cut the film to make it better.

If scenes were not cut, we would end up with a less coherent overall movie, with pacing issues, and scenes that really are not needed for the overall story.

70. CJS - October 28, 2009

This is a minute and a half of film time that could have displaced the scene with Scotty in the water slide. That alone makes it freaking brilliant.

71. Enterprisingguy - October 28, 2009

54. Jim Cude – October 28, 2009

I’m glad this was left out so a better characterization of Klingons can be created. These guys looked and sounded a bit more like random villains of the week than the arch-nemesis of the Federation. However, that said this still leaves the biggest gaping plot hole in the otherwise excellent Star Trek: what the heck was Nero and Co. doing for 25+ years it took for Kirk to grow up?

—————————-

That’s a good point Jim!

Another thing that was never explained is how Nero knew when Spock would reappear. Or even if he would at all. For all Nero knew Spock’s ship was destroyed since he didn’t appear to make it through like he did.

Huge holes in the story.

72. SB - October 28, 2009

All I saw were some shadows moving around. Is the whole movie like this? Abrams sure is creative…

73. I am not Herbert - October 28, 2009

…that was pretty weak… good thing they cut it. Especially the soft-spoken “Klingon”…

74. CGren123 - October 28, 2009

I know its incredibly unlikely…
But I hope that they make action figures based on those Klingons

75. dan - October 28, 2009

ABSOLUTELY INSANE – how underdeveloped Nero is in the feature film. Who is he, where does he come from?

What a waste of Eric Bana. Why do I have to read comics and watch deleted scenes to understand this character?

I don’t get this.

76. sean - October 28, 2009

#48

Most people I know disliked T’Pol because she was bland as white bread. The fact that she walked around with a Centauran Slug up her ass 99% of the time probably didn’t help, either.

And I second everyone that’s praised Victor Garber as the Klingon. He has the right amount of menace to his voice there. Sounds like a TOS Klingon without a doubt.

77. Ran - October 28, 2009

They should have cut out around 115 minutes, leaving the first 5 intact.

78. I am not Herbert - October 28, 2009

Yeah, the Kelvin stuff was the highlight!

79. SpocksBrane - October 28, 2009

#57: “I mean its a star trek movie and we did not see ONE klingon shit”

Best. typo. ever.

80. Jeffery Wright - October 28, 2009

Oh, that even better, so we have a Romulan miner with a mining ship befitted with Borg tech?

Um… why?

Resistance to smelting is futile, anyone?

This get worse and worse…

Again, why is he so sore at Spock, again? How was it his fault?

Do we still have time to get someone who knows anything about Trek to helm the next movie, and clean this mess JJ made?

Trek can be a good movie, without bastardizing it; reducing it to a comic book franchise.

81. Pat Gleeson - October 28, 2009

Release is set for Nov. 13th in Ireland. With very few exceptions (e.g. The Beatles 09-09-09) releases, Ireland have Friday releases.

82. OneBuckFilms - October 28, 2009

78 – Read Countdown. That’s why.

The Borg Tech explanation is there to address how such a large and powerful vessel could be run by Miners.

83. Michael - October 28, 2009

Well, with the previously leaked (3 segments)and yanked from net, and this scene, I’ve seen 1/2 of what’s on the upcoming Bluray already! So SPIKE get’s to air this and the other individual was threatened by Paramount’s lawyers.

84. Ran - October 28, 2009

@ 80

Seriously? We are suppose to read a comic book in order to understand the movie?
Don’t you think it is better to get writes that can deliver the a coherent movie instead?

85. No Khan - October 28, 2009

Oh my god, i can’t believe we have complainers about how a Klingon talks. I’m sorry but the real Klingons are from TOS. Not the Berman created brutes that act more like Neanderthals than from a space faring civilization.

86. sean - October 28, 2009

#78

‘Again, why is [Kahn] so sore at [Kirk], again? How was [the destruction of Ceti Alpha VI] his fault?’

87. Lore - October 28, 2009

#78 Get out of the basement. I think the sun is out.

88. Lore - October 28, 2009

#57 & #77 Thats because Klingon ships do not have “soft” luxuries like restrooms. What do they do? They Boldly GO Where No Man Has Gone Before!

89. Shawn from Las Vegas - October 28, 2009

#37.

“#15—”The helmets had the Klingon ridges on them, but if Trek lore holds, there aren’t any ridges under those masks.”

I’m not sure that’s necessarily true. Like it or not, ENT is a part of Trek canon. It’s certainly plausible that some Klingons might have ridges during the 2250’s, while others might not. I don’t think they would encounter any continuity issues either way. There’s an “out” at either end of the spectrum.”

Ironically, as I have pointed out to die-hard ENT haters in the past, ENT is the ONLY Canon Trek that remains if you accept Nu-Trek as negating everything that came after (still, it is kinfd of funny to me that we’re debating the canon of Klingons in NuTrek when everything in the film violated canon to begin with).

For that reason, I assume that they probably don’t have ridges and that the helmet is an overcompensation for the missing genetic heritage. The same goes for the purple blood. I’ve always assumed that the purple blood was a result of whatever it was that caused 23rd Century Klingons to be smooth forehead-ed even before ENT told the story of the Augments and by the late 23rd Century tyey were on their way to being cured and by the early 24th Century they were finally cured. Watch TMP, TSFS, TVH, TFF and TUC and you’ll notice that late 23rd Century Klingons don’t have ridges on their noses and in fact, Colonel Worf and Chang have much smoother foreheads than any 24th Century Klingons.

I grant you that this is all speculation, but it makes sense.

90. Shawn from Las Vegas - October 28, 2009

82.) “@ 80

Seriously? We are suppose to read a comic book in order to understand the movie?
Don’t you think it is better to get writes that can deliver the a coherent movie instead?”

Yes, because that’s exactly where franchises are going. The whole story revolves around multimedia formats, sorry. BUt, hey, thanks for joining us in the 21st Century and in fact… YOU’RE SOAKING IN IT with that new thing they like to call the Internetts!

91. I'm dead Jim - October 28, 2009

SpocksBrane – October 28, 2009

#57: “I mean its a star trek movie and we did not see ONE klingon shit”

Best. typo. ever.
_____________________________

Fantastic! This made wading through the whiners, who have forgotten that TOS:Movie Klingons can sound intelligent AND have ridges, totally worth it.

I hope we see a battalion of Klingons shit in the next movie.

92. bill hiro - October 28, 2009

“Yes, because that’s exactly where franchises are going. The whole story revolves around multimedia formats, sorry. BUt, hey, thanks for joining us in the 21st Century and in fact… YOU’RE SOAKING IN IT with that new thing they like to call the Internetts!”

That’s what you and your friends at the comic book store like to tell each other I’m sure, but the majority of humanity is not going to bother reading a comic book or piecing together bits of virally marketed information – they’re just going to go to the movie.

93. Ran - October 28, 2009

@ 90

Still, 21st century does not justify a lame script.

94. I'm dead Jim - October 28, 2009

Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but just before Countdown’s release, didn’t Bob Orci say, something like, he would leave it up to the fans to decide if those comics are canon. And then, after the movie’s release, didn’t he say here that the Countdown comics were NOT canon?

I’d like them to be canon because they do fill holes in the movie.

@92 I hadn’t picked up a comic book in at least 30 years until Countdown came out. It was worth it. Give it a try.

95. The First Son of Krypton - October 28, 2009

Praise JJ Abrams… I am soo psyched for the NEXT Trek film, just for these Klingons.

JJ has acheived the unthinkable, he has made the Klingons genuinely creepy and scary looking and not the cheesy cliched characters they became (Mainly due to Voyager and Enterprise).

I think the interrogator needs to be brought back, he seems a potentially cool character

96. TyrannicalFascist - October 28, 2009

Too much whining about Klingons in this page…

Klingons will be however the new film makers want them to be.

97. Montgomery - October 28, 2009

Hehe… I think they cut this scene because JJ couldn’t find a light in the room to flare in our eyes. He tried, mind you. But alas, no success.

Meanwhile, I’ve got to agree with a few people here:

#45, #73 – The Klingon DOES have a distracting voice. Whether people like it or not, I bet most of us at least noticed. That takes me out of the movie. It’s another major problem with suspension of disbelief. The voice sticks out like a sore thumb. (and yes, even TOS klingons in their chainmail-coloured vests spoke gruffly and with brutish intensity).

#84; #75; #90 – I have boycotted the Nero comics. One rule for me as far as movie narratives is that everything must be explainable within the four corners of the film. Leaving out major events (where was Nero for 20+ years?), having undefined but crucial plot elements (red matter? seriously?), and having a major character acting with horrific consequences but no discernible motivations — on top of being devoid of internal depth — are all failures of STXI. We should not have to buy comics and watch deleted scenes to understand the damn movie!

#47. Jeffery Wright – You know, as I read your post it strikes me… Even the motivations we’ve been given for Nero’s character in comic books like Countdown don’t quite compute. The way you laid it out makes me shocked and disappointed. For a time, they had me believing there was a motivation that just took a bit of flexibility to accept… but there wasn’t even that, was there? Screw.

98. Jeyl - October 28, 2009

I love this.

Nero: Ayel, the wait is over.
*few scenes later*
Ayel: What are your orders?
Nero: We wait.

Our villain ladies and gentlemen.

99. jocor - October 28, 2009

The slug worked better in Wrath of Khan I rather hated the re-use of it, although this makes sense of why it was in the movie.

100. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - October 28, 2009

The scene was actually pretty f*cking badass until they brought in the stupid, overused, ridiculous bug cliche.

101. The Angry Klingon (without a trenchcoat) - October 28, 2009

Couple of things:
The JJ Klingons do have ridges as is shown in the behind the scenes makeup.
I LIKED the intelligent sounding Klingon. He had the controlled tones and menace of an interogator.
I STILL hate those godawful Klingon costumes. Its a freakin HUMAN trenchcoat with a sam brown belt. Whether they created those coats or took them off the shelf they LOOK like low rent gestapo agents in SandM masks. Im surprised Nero didnt have a gag ball in.
I also agree that any movie that requires a comic book to explain itself is not well constructed especially when the creators cant agree from one minute to the next whether its canon or not. The Orci/Kurtzman/JJ apologists can say whatever they want but its BS. When you claim your not making a movie ‘for the fans’ and then say you have to buy comic books to fill in gaping plot holes youre showing that you didnt think things through very well. This was also reflected in decisions like Delta Vega, the brewery, and the constantly changing scale of the Enterprise.
95. JJ didnt achieve anything in regards to the Klingons so much so that they ended up on the cutting room floor. You disregarded far better performances and characterizations by Chris Lloyd, Chris Plummer, John Colicos. All JJ did was go back to earlier characterizations in Trek.

102. Syd Hughes - October 28, 2009

Guys, the theater owners were not going to allow a 2:30 Star Trek movie (which are annoying to have to schedule), and especially not after the box-office disaster that was Nemesis, the last Star Trek film.

They had to cut it down to 2 hours, lots of great stuff had to be sliced out, or it wouldn’t have been shown in theaters.

103. RobertPidgeon - October 28, 2009

Are they Klingons or pussies, he took them out waaaay too quickly.

104. Mr Man - October 28, 2009

That Klingon definitely reminds me of shredder from teenage mutant ninja turtles (hero turtles – UK).

I keep on expecting Kang to appear!

Where is Bebop and Rocksteady!!

105. CarlG - October 28, 2009

A relatively soft-spoken masked Klingon torturer in a trenchcoat who may or may no have ridges?!

THIS IS A DISASTER

106. CarlG - October 28, 2009

@101: I think you could make a trenchcoat work. :)

107. Ceti Alpha 5 - October 28, 2009

They should have kept all the scenes, dammit!

I already have the special edition blu-ray pre-ordered at Best Buy.
Can’t really afford the Amazon Special Edition AND the season 3 blu-ray.

Knowing Paramount there will be a Director’s Cut released later on, and like a sucker I’d buy that too without hesitation.

108. Balok - October 28, 2009

I assume that there was lot more footage (?), not shown here (?)…

109. Balok - October 28, 2009

ok, I’ll stop complaining about some elements of thew new movie if Orci will confirm the following: is it possible that Nero and spok went back in time to a Mirror Universe. If so, this would clear up alot of liitle things that bug me about the movie.

110. Tony Whitehead - October 28, 2009

I liked the movie overall, but…that was one of the lamest scenes ever shot for a ST movie. I am glad they lifted it from the final film. I have been a Trek fan for most of my life, and I wouldn’t have understood that maskboy was a Klingon. What a waste….

111. Eric Windelkin - October 28, 2009

I think a lot of you who criticize Next Gen Klingons are forgetting that Gene Roddenberry saw them looking and acting that way in his imagination all along, but couldn’t pull it off on TOS because of budget and technical issues. So, I accept the big warrior Klingons of TV as the real deal according to the Creator. It’s like George Lucas saying that Jabba is a big fat slug even though in Ep IV he was going to played by a humanoid. Then in Ep VI, he gets to show him properly. I guess I tend to accept the word of the creator as canon above all else. So when I watch TOS, in my mind I see them with full makeup and costumes.

112. JWM - October 28, 2009

This scene should have been left in, pure and simple.

113. dmduncan - October 28, 2009

103: “Are they Klingons or pussies, he took them out waaaay too quickly.”

In Nemesis the Remans were supposed to be these kick ass warriors, only to be dispatched by Picard, who has the physique of Sally Field, and the rest of his unwarrior like contingent (except for Worf who could have beaten them all by himself just by hurling around that ridiculously enormous boulder of a head of his). The Remans might as well have been single handedly defeated by Jay Leno and Conan O’brien.

To do your Klingons right, they have to win some fights, and they almost have win the big ones involving your stars. If the Klingons always lose, they aren’t very scary or worrisome. I mean, if the Marines just buzzed through all the monsters in Aliens, there wouldn’t be anything scary about them.

114. Wes - October 28, 2009

These Klingons are a rip off of the Hirogen!

115. GARY - October 28, 2009

There is a difference between makeup, and giving them STUPID LINES AND A MOUTHPIECE THAT MAKES THE SOUND EVEN MORE RETARDED like on DS9

116. Rhett Coates - October 28, 2009

VICTOR GARBER, eh? Interesting. Here’s his IMDB page:

I note his credit for this rold in ST doesn’t appear, apparently since it was cut. Many readers of Trek Movie Report might remember that Victor co-starred in T.V.’s “Alias” and “Eli Stone,” and played master shipbuilder Thomas Andrews in James Cameron’s “Titanic.” Before that — a long time ago when he was far younger, and much skinnier — he played Jesus in the 1973 movie version of the musical “Godspell.” (He’s an awesome singer; he and other ‘Trek alumini could put together a tremendous album — get Brent Spiner, Nichelle Nichols, Avery Brooks, Chase Masterson, Scott Bakula, and a whole host of others who also appeared in various incarnations of ‘Trek (and can actually sing incredibly well) — and Paramount might just have another money-maker. Ooops…. am I allowed to suggest that?)

Hey, Anthony, how about an interview with Victor here on Trek Movie Report — on his brief (although cut) scene in the 11th ‘Trek film?

117. Rhett Coates - October 28, 2009

Oh, well — I forgot NOT to include an active link on this website in a post; my apologies. Anyway, if one simple logs onto the IMDB.COM website, just type in VICTOR GARBER in the empty box up top, and his page will appear. (Sorry, Anthony!)

118. Trekluver - October 28, 2009

If you all think Nero beat those Klingons up just imagine how bad The Shat would have beat them up! That should have been his line at the awards instead of “I directed Star Trek V!”

119. cd - October 28, 2009

Doesn’t sound like Victor Garber. Sounds like a decent Malachi Throne imitation however.
109 – it is definitely a different universe, and one could make a reasonable argument that it is a mirror universe (Spock grumpy and doesn’t keep his cool, Kirk a troublemaker).

120. Trekluver - October 28, 2009

Oh and did anyone else notice the simalaraties between the Klingon masks and Darth Vaders helmet? It shows that JJ is a Star Wars fan too!

121. Zarthana - October 28, 2009

Why I have to wait for another month for this!!! Star Trek is so exciting!

122. MC1 Doug - October 28, 2009

#31: waaaaah. would you like some cheese with the whine?

123. MC1 Doug - October 28, 2009

Personally, realizing that JJ and the rest of the Supreme Court want to put their spin on all things TREK, I don’t really relish the idea of them changing the physical appearance of the Klingons.

We have had 30 years of Klingons appearing as they were re-introduced in ST-TMP. This was Roddenberry sanctioned and as such I don’t think anyone has the right to tinker with that.

That said, realizing the Klingon in this deleted scene is wearing a helmet so we really don’t know what was under there, but since this production crew changed so many other things in the TREK universe, it seems likely they also changed the look of the Klingons.

As to the way they were portrayed, eh… that I can live with. In many ways I prefer the acting style of the TOS Klingons over the over-the-top animalistic post TMP Klingons (and yeah, I guess the ones in ST: ENT too)… yeah, I know someone will say you can’t have it both ways… but yes I can (grin).

I am really looking forward to the release of the movie on DVD… and am at this point contemplating whether this will push me over the edge to Blu-Ray.

124. tman - October 28, 2009

Dont Klingons already have a brain scanner that rips the mind painfully apart to extract info? The slugs seem a crude, inefficient method. I would have loved to see that thing in action.

I also think the dialogue here was weak. I think the lack of grunting aggressive neanderthals is a welcome change, but the dialogue didn’t live up to the eloquence of the speaker. I also think it would have been more effective if one person talks in Klingon first for a while and roughs the prisoner up before someone speaking eloquently in English even showed up. I also think they need to do much more to introduce the Klingons when they first show up.

125. capnjake - October 28, 2009

How friggen Cool Victor Garber got to play a Klingon,
Definately a nice surprise, its ashame he wasnt on screen in thefinal cut of the film. I can definately tell it is him, that voice is unmistakeable.

126. Driver - October 28, 2009

My take:

A Director’s Cut of the new Star Trek film will be announced right about the time that the current inventory of Star Trek Blu-ray & DVDs have sold out. It will be packaged only with a boxed set of all the Trek films to be sold one year from now.

127. Jonathan - October 28, 2009

FYI to all again:

Amazon now just lowered its price to match the BestBuy price for the Season sets in Blu Ray.

$56 for Seasons 2 and Seasons 3, no tax (unless you’re in Washington state), and no shipping…hard to beat that!

Jon

128. AndrewW - October 28, 2009

If it is decided later that Klingons in this new Trek universe have ridges I am totally fine with that. For the better part of 40 years they have been ridged and it was only because for some reason on Enterprise they felt compelled to explain it that it was ever an issue.

It is such a fundamentally minor detail in the grand scheme of things.

I do like the more Plummer-esque portrayal of the calm, calculated interrogator, though.

129. cleverclogs - October 28, 2009

Yes I have t! $30AU for the Blu-ray at BigW !!

130. Todd - October 28, 2009

Got the Blu-Ray from Big W (Australia) today for $29..excellent price. They also had the 2-disc DVD set and the one with the Enterprise disc holder.

Woo!

131. sean - October 28, 2009

#113

Go back and rewatch First Contact and then tell me Patrick Stewart has ‘the physique of Sally Field’. Dude is freakin buff, especially considering he’s nearly 70. William Shatner was never that fit, even in his glory days. Yet you seem to have bought him kicking alien ass all over the quadrant.

132. sean - October 28, 2009

#98

I’ll do ya one better from the Holy Grail aka TWOK: Why the hell does Scotty bring his dying nephew all the way from Engineering (thereby passing Sickbay) to the bridge? And that scene made it to the final cut! In contrast with this scene, which was not actually IN THE FILM.

Good grief people, if you want to play this game I assure you we can eviscerate most any film.

133. EFFeX - October 28, 2009

Klingons with ridges, or no Klingons at all.

Yes I’m mad.

134. Jeff - October 29, 2009

You guys realize that Star Trek’s script was being written and was rushed to beat the Writer’s Strike right? Both the writers have stated that they wished they could have given the “Spock Exposition” moment more rewrites. It’s even obvious in the movie. Like on Delta Vega, Kirk tell Spock Prime that coming back in time to change history and save everyone was cheating when Spock came back in time completely by accident? These characters are obviously having a conversation that grew out of a discarded draft of the script.

I’m not saying it should be excused because of this, but that was the reason why the second half of the movie kinda gets a little out there. I’m sure the writers are aware of it. They’ve proven that even though they’ll do things solely for the money (Transformers), they truly care about Trek. I have no doubt the sequel will be better.

135. NCC-73515 - October 29, 2009

“Klingon for the Galactic Traveller” says that the old Klingon armor included a helmet.
(Page 66 in the German version )

136. Phoenix - October 29, 2009

That was……ok. It wasn’t the best but i am glad they didnt include it in the film. It would just ruin the atmosphere…i cant exactly describe how…

#6
#9

It’s nice to see pinoy trekkies here too!!! I wasnt even sure i there were, once i was 100% sure that i was the only filipino trekkie…

137. Keith, Brighton, UK - October 29, 2009

I’m in the UK – saw on here yesterday that the DVD was available in France, ordered the DVD and Blu from Amazon France yesterday afternoon (Wed 28) it’s just arrived less than 24 hours after ordering! That’s my weekend sorted! Lucky my OH is away.

138. Jamjumetley - October 29, 2009

We should already have Star Trek in Poland. Been to the shop today. A lot of people are asking about the film, but the discs weren’t delivered for some reason yet.

Jamjumetley

139. Alex - October 29, 2009

Star Trek 1-DVD Edition, 2-DVD Edition, and Blu-ray Edition are now on sell in Thailand with price start at 269 Baht.

The wait is over for me, Let’s rock and roll.

140. sybok - October 29, 2009

Well, I am not a fan of “torutre in the movies” but cutting this (and also the STVII:GEN Soran torturing Geordi) scenes out makes the villain(s)… uh, somehow soft and neutered?

141. Trekboi - October 29, 2009

well i got the DVD here in Australia- they could have had more special features- just over 100mins is ok but when spread over 2 discs seems a bit short- & no Previews?
What The Fu#K?
first Generations now Star Trek 11?
I wanted to see the Teaser as well- only saw it online not in the cinema- they didnt show it with cloverfield here…

142. Shatner_Fan_Prime - October 29, 2009

#131 “Dude is freakin buff, especially considering he’s nearly 70. William Shatner was never that fit, even in his glory days.”

I think Stewart himself has said he got buff for that one movie, because he wanted to try something different and play action hero. I doubt he was that buff before or since. Young Shatner was pretty much always in great shape.

143. Michael - October 29, 2009

WTF? # 141….did you get the Bluray or standard dvd? The Bluray clearly LISTS it HAS the Trailers! I’ll be so PO’d if these are missing when I get my copy end of Nov. in USA! NO excuse WHY those should be MIA! Especially whith all the data a BD disc can hold, and jestison the lame only those that OWN ONE game console/pc promos!

Talk about padding a release with pure crap. Remember the selling pointo dvd’s over vhs? Trailers!

144. Norm - October 29, 2009

95 – The Klingons were in all of, what, 3 Voyager episodes? Please…The Klingons everyone is really familiar with are the way they are because of TNG and DS9…its time some people stopped thinking TNG is sacred ground and Voyager is to blame for everything.

Rant over…

Bring on this kind of Klingon in the next film if you must have an arch-villian plot.

145. Gary Makin - October 29, 2009

There should be an extended cut for DVD and TV. Great movie anyway, though.

146. dmduncan - October 29, 2009

131: “Go back and rewatch First Contact and then tell me Patrick Stewart has ‘the physique of Sally Field’.”

Oh you took that literally? How cute.

No, I didn’t mean to make you think that I thought Picard had breasts. That’s just my way of saying Picard was always a wuss next to Kirk, whom Picard needed to fetch to beat Soren because Picard coudn’t do the job himself.

The most stunning disclosure of Generations was finally seeing confirmation of how wimpy Picard really was by comparison.

147. sensor ghost - October 29, 2009

I’m gonna have to wait for the DVD because it absolutely will not load.

148. Closettrekker - October 29, 2009

#89—-“…still, it is (kind of) of funny to me that we’re debating the canon of Klingons in NuTrek when everything in the film violated canon to begin with.”

I have to disagree with you right there.

The very notion that intereference with the past will result in an altered timeline (and thus an entirely different series of events from what came before) is not only canon, but it has been since the very first season of Star Trek. On that basis, I’m not sure how one could argue that “everything in the film violated canon”.

The only real canon violations I know of are Chekov’s age in the film and the location of the planet Delta Vega—-both quite minor infractions. Pretty much anything else is easily explained away by the existence of the altered timeline.

149. Geodesic - October 29, 2009

Those masks make the Klingons look like Hirogen.

150. Closettrekker - October 29, 2009

#85—“I’m sorry but the real Klingons are from TOS. Not the Berman created brutes that act more like Neanderthals than from a space faring civilization.”

I was also unhappy with the way Klingons were portrayed post TSFS. I think that future film(and television) makers on Star Trek took their cue from Kruge and his band of what I always saw as renegade Klingons in what made much more sense as a Romulan ship. Unfortunately, Berman and Moore made them the template for the portrayals of Klingons from TNG onward.

Give me Kor, Kang, Koloth, Kras, Arne Darvin, etc. That’s my idea of a Klingon—-just as intelligent, eloquent, and cunning as they were ruthless, menacing, and brutal.

I was never a fan of the “Neanderthals in space” portrayed in the TNG-era, who not only were unbelievable as people who could have been the political and military equals of the Federation prior to the destruction of Praxus, but were almost unbelievable as a people who could ever have gone into space, much less developed warp capability.

To me, the presence of ridges or not makes no difference. It’s the behavior that means everything to me.

All the pompous ritual, the preference for blades over modern weapons, the howling and singing, the over-the-top live food references, as well as the ridiculous devotion to some false sense of honor can go as far as I’m concerned.

In TOS, some Klingons were respectable adversaries (Kang), some were menacing but quite intelligent and just as worthy opponents (Kor), some were devient cowards (Kras, Darvin), and some were just sniveling a**holes (Koloth). They were hardly cardboard villains then, nor should they be now. The should be as diverse as their human counterparts.

I’ll take Gene Coon’s Klingons anyday!

151. Shatner_Fan_Prime - October 29, 2009

#150 … Closet, I know you like myself love your TOS Klingons. What did you think of DS9’s Blood Oath?

On a related note, thanks to the TOS Season 2 Blu Ray set, I recently did a double feature of the original Tribbles/DS9’s Tribble-ations. Great to watch back to back! My buddies and I applauded when it ended.

152. Steven - October 29, 2009

It’s hard to believe that’s Victor Garber playing the klingon in the deleted scene. That’s pretty cool.

153. Topaz172 - October 29, 2009

Well they were certainly right to drop that scene… could that Klingon have SOUNDED more American?, they used a left over ORC costume from LoTR, they threaten the guy with a stag beetle? and he’s being guarded by the only three Klingons in existence who don’t know un-armed combat?

154. Son of a Maui Portagee - October 29, 2009

#132.

You forget, the emergency bulkheads had slammed down. There were no direct routes into or out of there or for most of the areas of the ship for that matter. It was probably a miracle that Scotty could find a turbolift to any majorly trafficked area of the ship where he could transfer to a sickbay emergency lift let alone the bridge.

155. Dom - October 29, 2009

Victor Garber’s Klingon interrogator was superb; a real breath of fresh air after years of Klingons being perceived as drunken yobs. A shame the scene wasn’t in the film. Hopefully Mr Garber will be used in a sequel: knowing what sort of a sonuvabitch Jack Bristow could be makes that scene even more fun!

Oh well, we’ll doubtless have an extended edition show up in 2011/2012 to help market the next film!

156. Shawn from Las Vegas - October 29, 2009

92.) “That’s what you and your friends at the comic book store like to tell each other I’m sure, but the majority of humanity is not going to bother reading a comic book or piecing together bits of virally marketed information – they’re just going to go to the movie.”

First, dopey, I’m 34 and I haven’t been to a comic book store in probably 20 years.

Second, I haven’t even read the Countdown series but whether you like it or not, that’s the way the franchises are going. Of course the mass bulk of the audience is going to see the film but that hasn’t stopped them in the past from marketing stories to the percentage of the market that will buy the product in the form of comic books and novels. The only difference now is that it appears to be canon. It actually reminds me of the ‘Pathways’ and ‘Mosaic’ novels that were as of 2003 considered canon by Paramount, providing the backstories for Janeway and crew.

Star Wars has incorporated all novels into their canon since day one. Do you think that everyone who has seen Star Wars has read a Star Wars novel? Is it necessary to read the novels enjoy the franchise? So I suppose you think that only stories that will be enjoyed by all moviegoers in the theater should available and provide backstory, eh? Wrong.

It really doesn’t matter what you think, this is what they are doing. I’m indifferent to it either way, but ,Mr. Marketing Genius, I think it’s probably better for the franchise that Trek get as much exposure as possible in all media outlets as opposed to just putting a film in a theater.

However, you can always contact CBS/Paramount and give them your insights on how to most effectively market Trek. I’m sure they’d appreciate that.

157. NZstartrekfan - October 29, 2009

Star Trek released in New Zealand today and DVDFab 6.0.7 is not working to make a personal backup copy.

158. Keith, Brighton, UK - October 29, 2009

#157 NZstartrekfan – October 29, 2009
Star Trek released in New Zealand today and DVDFab 6.0.7 is not working to make a personal backup copy.

having had not inconsiderable trouble making my own ‘personal backup copy’ i believe i can help!

‘magic dvd copier’ does the trick, you can download it and get 5 free uses before having to pay.

159. dmduncan - October 29, 2009

@154: lol. What are you saying? That Scotty ended up on the bridge with his dying nephew because the bridge was easier to get to than sickbay? As Ricky Ricardo would say, “I dun thin so, Lucy.”

If you follow David Kimble’s layout of where the sets would be in the ship, and there really is nowhere else to put engineering other than where he placed it (particularly given that the lava lamp branches aft and then branches again heading up towards each warp engine thereby anchoring its position within the ship), then sickbay would be a shorter distance, not to mention a more relevant, if less dramatic, place to take one’s dying nephew.

But that’s a moot point too because the engineering set as designed would not have fit within the hull of the ship we saw on screen anyway. The hallways leading into and out of engineering would have been exploring the cold vacuum of space.

160. Harley3k - October 29, 2009

Why the h3ll would they cut out that scene!@#?!?!?!?!!!

161. Chris Dawson - October 29, 2009

Wow why didn’t they keep this in the movie? Now I get Nero a little better.

(Fortunately I read the Countdown comic before hand.)

162. Son of a Maui Portagee - October 29, 2009

#159.,

No, I’m saying with the bulkheads down there’s no easy way into or out of Engineering and or “easy” direct paths to other parts of the ship. Especially, with in addition to that other corridors and and turbo lift shafts are collapsed or blocked due to damage of the attacks.

Think of it this way, when a ship’s under attack involving multiple hits, the nice neat orderly corridor system often turns into maze where the object ceases to be the shortest known path to known internal locations but simply to get you and the injured the 7734 out of the way of encroaching fire, unbreathable smoke and collapsing structures to relative safety. And if that means you end up on the bridge and by some miracle it’s still relatively intact, you count your lucky stars, catch your breath and then decide how to best proceed from there.

Catastrophes are often accompanied by chaos.

Now, if you want to make what I regard as a far more stronger argument of muddled emergency procedure bad thinking, let’s discuss the wisdom of getting into a turbo lift while systems are failing all over the ship and the ship’s on emergency batteries. Granted Scotty might be the one miracle worker who could fix one from the inside in the dark but even in the far future that’s still got to be not the wisest of decisions?

163. Scott - October 29, 2009

Wow that was awful. Glad it was cut from the movie.

164. dmduncan - October 29, 2009

“Think of it this way, when a ship’s under attack involving multiple hits, the nice neat orderly corridor system often turns into maze where the object ceases to be the shortest known path to known internal locations but simply to get you and the injured the 7734 out of the way of encroaching fire, unbreathable smoke and collapsing structures to relative safety. And if that means you end up on the bridge and by some miracle it’s still relatively intact, you count your lucky stars, catch your breath and then decide how to best proceed from there.”

I don’t think I’d buy the argument that Scotty ended up on the bridge by accident, or because there was no other way or he couldn’t recall how to get to sickbay in an emergency so he had to go to the bridge instead, or that sickbay somehow became best accessible from engineering through the bridge. Not at all. He went to the bridge because that is exactly where Meyer wanted him to be for dramatic effect.

165. jocor - October 29, 2009

Not sure how I feel about British Klingon’s.

I’ve watched it again and I’m sure — I don’t like it.

Would have prefered this sub-plot stay in the movie though.

Nero didn’t have enough development.

166. jocor - October 29, 2009

Having seen it a third time I guess they weren’t British

But too proper to be Klingon’s.

167. Drew - October 29, 2009

After watching the deleted scenes with the Klingons, I understand why JJ and company decided to delete the Klingon subplot.

The scenes were great but were long and took away from the rest of the story. (I agree with many that the entire 25 year gap should have been explained in the movie but …’cest la vie’.)

168. Son of a Maui Portagee - October 29, 2009

164. dmduncan observed “He went to the bridge because that is exactly where Meyer wanted him to be for dramatic effect.”

Well, that’s a bit of a cop out in this discussion because that’s ultimately why a character does anything in a script, i.e. because that’s what the writer writes.

But I’ll go one point beyond the original tack we where taking: He did that in a turbolift even though after “hours seems like days” repairs all the lifts below C deck were still non-functional and they didn’t go off the battery back to auxilary power till after Peter died in sickbay.

Now as to why Scotty would step into a non-functioning turbolift running on battery and try to get it to go anywhere seems possibly to be borne of the desperation to save a love one’s life. That he got it to go anywhere without getting the both of them killed had to be one humdinger of an engineering Hail Mary.

169. Trekenstein - October 29, 2009

#148. – “The very notion that intereference with the past will result in an altered timeline (and thus an entirely different series of events from what came before) is not only canon, but it has been since the very first season of Star Trek. On that basis, I’m not sure how one could argue that “everything in the film violated canon”

Closettrekker, I’m not sure that’s what Shawn from Las Vegas meant. I took it to mean that the timeline has been reset and everything going forward has been erased and no longer happened, so debating canon is pointless based on what we think we know (at least from Nero’s arrival forward). I also follow what you are saying that even though everything that happened in TOS & TNG has been erased forever, it did happen and lead to the events in this film.

170. Son of a Maui Portagee - October 29, 2009

#164.

FWIW, just because you gave me an excuse to do so I fired up TWOK and noticed that unlike in ToS where the bridge has ONE turbolift, TWOK’s bridge has TWO which at least implies that it could serve as one juncture that a person could use to exit one turbolift system and enter another as circumstance might require to get to an internal destination.

Of course that gives rise to to my Federation bugaboo: why are the bridges and engineering sections of their ships so easy to access for every visitor they have; even the ones that they have reason to suspect before letting them on board? I mean come on, they can’t program the turbo lift system to deny access – especially in the middle of a crisis?

I know you are likely to cite some practical reason like as the various sets designs go, the various bridges turn out to be an ideal space in which to stage dramatic confrontations; but in TMP I think they established the ship had some sort of auditorium for general assemblies like the scene when Admiral Kirk tells everyone how its going to be. I think it even had a stage?

171. Devon - October 30, 2009

#84 – I understood the movie just fine without the comic books. Sorry that you didn’t.

172. Elrond PT - October 30, 2009

The new Star Trek Movie is now available in Portugal :D

173. ernestborgof9 - October 30, 2009

and why did they delete this scene? wow…..

174. SarahJM - October 30, 2009

#45, #74, #97, #165

Haven’t you guys seen Errand of Mercy?

175. Shatner_Fan_Prime - October 30, 2009

#174 SarahJM … Exactly! This Klingon interrogator reminded me of Kor, which is why I enjoyed the scene so much. Perfect!

176. Ran - October 30, 2009

#171 – You must be new here.

177. Closettrekker - October 30, 2009

#151—-“Closet, I know you like myself love your TOS Klingons. What did you think of DS9’s Blood Oath?”

I appreciated the idea, for sure….but honestly, I thought the premise was a bit silly…First of all, it’s quite convenient that Kor, Kang, and Koloth are all such good friends—-nevermind that all three of them happen to have sworn a “blood oath” with Dax. But it was okay, I guess…Better than TNG’s “Relics”, IMO.

“On a related note, thanks to the TOS Season 2 Blu Ray set, I recently did a double feature of the original Tribbles/DS9’s Tribble-ations. Great to watch back to back! My buddies and I applauded when it ended.”

Now THAT is a great TOS tribute episode.

178. Closettrekker - October 30, 2009

#154—-“You forget, the emergency bulkheads had slammed down. There were no direct routes into or out of there or for most of the areas of the ship for that matter. It was probably a miracle that Scotty could find a turbolift to any majorly trafficked area of the ship where he could transfer to a sickbay emergency lift let alone the bridge.”

….Or, despite the obvious WTF reasoning of taking the mortally wounded Peter Preston to the bridge rather than immediately to sickbay, it was done (and done well) anyway for more dramatic effect.

But it’s no more ridiculous than the notion that:
1) of all people who could have found Khan on Ceti Alpha V, it just so happens to be a former member of the Enterprise crew whom Khan recognizes—who incidentally makes no mention to Terrell that his former captain once marooned a genetically-engineered Superman and his followers in that system, which also happens to be missing a class-M planet which was there 15 years before;

2) Khan happens to gain freedom from exile at the same time that an otherwise desk-ridden Jim Kirk happens to be aboard the Enterprise, which not only happens to be conveniently handicapped with “a boatload of children”, but also happens to be called to respond to a distress signal from some scientists (one who happens to be his former lover and another his illegitimate son), since of course it is “the only ship in the quadrant”, prompting Kirk to assume command, and those very scientists happen to be the victims of a plot conceived by the very enemy who seeks revenge upon Kirk above all else;

3) despite a failure to adhere to regulations, which ultimately results in the death of significant numbers of crewmembers and cadets during Reliant’s attack (not to mention severe damage to a piece of Federation property), Kirk is never so much as reprimanded—-much less court-martialed for gross negligence;

4) Khan and his followers are conveniently dressed and primped like David Bowie groupies;

5) and despite the transporters being obviously functional, no attempt at all is made to set the transporter on “wide dispersal” and beam the genesis device to a maximum distance away, as was done with the self-destructing Nomad in “The Changeling”. Kirk’s only suggestion before resigning himself to the notion that their only hope is for Scotty to restore warp capability is—– “We’ll beam aboard and stop it”.

So much for Star Trek fans holding the franchise’s films to a “higher standard” of storytelling….

But hey, TWOK is entertaining!!! I don’t love it any less for being contrived. A fun story is a fun story….

179. Bubba Hotep - October 30, 2009

@86

A.) An entire episode of Star Trek.

B.) A very eloquent speech by Khan explaining exactly why he is so pissed (for those who missed the episode).

C.) A couple of nice summaries by Kirk.

Khan was a very well established character with a very well established back story prior to the film that was established again in the movie itself.

Nero is a new character that has not been previously established. Therefore, the establishing background in the film becomes even more important, and it was thin at best.

My wife is not a Star Trek fan… until this movie. Though she loved the movie, she was not really sure what Nero was all about. Later, when we watched TWOK, she knew who Khan was without need for further explanation.

180. Closettrekker - October 30, 2009

#179—-“Nero is a new character that has not been previously established. Therefore, the establishing background in the film becomes even more important, and it was thin at best.”

My wife was also not a fan at all, but loved the movie. Apparently, though, she didn’t have any trouble with who Nero was or why he was villainous. I suppose all she needed to know was that he was from the future and was doing bad things to good people that caused things to be different in the 23rd Century than they were before. She knew he was mad at Spock, his people, and their allies. I’m not sure why anyone needs to feel that a villain’s reasons for his crimes are justified. Real-life or fiction—-they usually are not.

It’s funny, but my teenage niece (who also wouldn’t have given Star Trek a chance prior to Abrams’ film) has “Star Trek” as her favorite movie of the year on her myspace page. I knew it was doing better with young people than the previous films, but I was still (albeit pleasantly) shocked at that one.

As for comparisons to Khan and TWOK—-first of all, I’m not sure what the difference is in requiring a viewer to have seen an episode of a television show from 15 years earlier or a comic book released a couple of months earlier in order to better know the villain.

If all you’ve seen is TWOK what do you really know about him or his motivations that is more informative than what you know about Nero in ST09?

You know that Khan is a product of late-20th Century genetic engineering, that he tried to steal Kirk’s ship and murder him, and he now blames Kirk for the death of his wife. You know that he plans to kill Kirk and steal a powerful piece of technology he can wield to impose his will.

You know that Spock Prime tried and failed to save Nero’s planet, that Nero is from the future (and that he and Spock arrived in the 23rd Century due to an event caused by Spock’s failed attempt to stop disaster on Romulus) and that he blames Spock, Vulcan, and the Federation for the deaths of his own wife and children. You also know that he plans to wipe out the existence of the Federation one planet at a time with the same substance Spock Prime procurred in his attempt to save Romulus.

Both villains are bent upon doing exacting revenge upon someone, and both have concocted personal motivations for doing so—-neither of which is justifiable. And in both cases, the fact that the motivation is irrational does not matter. All which does matter is what the villain perceives—-which in both cases, is made clear enough within the two films, despite being somewhat vague to those without any prior knowledge of the character.

Is Nero a weaker villain than Khan? Yes—-but Nero isn’t the real story in ST09. Take away Khan from TWOK (Montalban stole every scene he was in)—and its just a story about a 50 year old dealing with growing old.

Take away Nero from ST09, and these are still fun people to get to know, either for the first time, or all over again. The real story is the coming together of a young group of heroes. It is there that the focus lies, which is probably why your wife loves the movie despite not knowing a whole lot about Nero.

181. Christian S. - October 30, 2009

Dudes… This DVD (I got the BluRay here and don’t know in what respect it might be different) is the ULTIMATE Star Trek Release. There is so much respect towards the original series in the different Making-Ofs…

Incredible! No matter what you might think of the movie itself; This BluRay Release (once again, I don’t know about the DVD) is so,so, sooooo great.

Go frakking buy it!

182. dmduncan - October 30, 2009

168: “Well, that’s a bit of a cop out in this discussion because that’s ultimately why a character does anything in a script, i.e. because that’s what the writer writes.”

No no no no. That’s precisely what a contrivance is; not all writing is contrived. A writer is obliged to obey the internal logic of the world or scene he is creating if he wants to create believable action or drama.

That’s what that scene was. Contrived. It doesn’t matter if they had FOUR turbolifts to the bridge. If your nephew is dying you spontaneously take him to the place where he will receive the best care as quickly as possible to save his life. Which ain’t the bridge. And that’s how you write it.

An emergency call from sickbay by a tearful Mr. Scott alerts Dr. McCoy. Fearing their Chief Engineer injured, Kirk and Spock rush after McCoy. Their relief at seeing Mr. Scott unharmed disappears as they notice the bloodied form of his nephew on a table frantically being worked on. Dr. McCoy takes control as Scotty stands back tearfully explaining what happened and McCoy signals quietly to Kirk that it’s too late, etc. etc. etc.

Or something like that.

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184. gok1701 - October 31, 2009

Tuker got all the versions yesterday too (30th October). the one disc DVD, 2 disc-DVD and the Blu-Ray

185. gok1701 - October 31, 2009

Turkey got all the versions yesterday too (30th October). the one disc DVD, 2 disc-DVD and the Blu-Ray

186. Ship Hunter - October 31, 2009

My Star Trek DVD, Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray Collectors Edition arrived also Yesterday (Germany!).

Just watched it again, (sixth time now) – what a great – great Movie!

187. mr_werns - November 1, 2009

I think the problem with this movie is – it’s made for people who don’t ask and just take the things how they are.
A good decission though, because you’ll get aprox. 95% of todays audience.

“What did Nero do 25+ years?!” – “Never mind, look at this new special effect!”

If I don’t want to think and just want to watch one trivial scifi-movie – star trek XI fit’s perfectly…
Unfortunatly I’m usually wanted to be entertained AND challenged, what is why I’m cheerless about the new movie.

There are so many gaps in the plot, I can’t count them and it is a hard task to respect that there are other’s who love this film.
The biggest confession of failure is, that the whole story doesn’t workes well, if you don’t know something about the past (countdown-comic) and if you don’t try to insert the deleted scenes and all those helpless explanation-attempts of Orci, Krutzman & Co. in your imagination while watching the movie.

There is just so much wasted potential and so many wrong decissions in order to serve a audience, which has no requirements anymore (watch e.g. Transformers and you know what I mean).

Therfore the movie is exactly that, what most of the people – unfortunatly – deserve.

188. Gustavo Valente - November 1, 2009

Here in Brazil the DVD is out for rental only…..

189. Dom - November 1, 2009

Scotty ending up on the bridge . . . possibilities include:

He was in shock because the Enterprise, which was on a quiet training cruise that had briefly diverted to check on Regula 1, had suddenly been attacked out of the blue (Scotty wasn’t party to the classified Genesis information). As he dragged his blood-soaked, horrifically-burned, mortally-wounded nephew to the turbolift amidst dying, blood-soaked, horrifically-burned, mortally-wounded cadets, perhaps he said ‘Bridge!’ instead of ‘Sick Bay!’ How often have any of us hit the wrong button on an elevator even when we’re not in extreme circumstances?

The turbolift was damaged and went straight to the top floor. How often have you been in a crap lift that went to the wrong floor? I certainly have and the lift wasn’t being torpedoed at the time!

Most likely (and the way I’ve always seen it): Communications to Engineering were screwed and reporting the extent of the damage had to take precedence over getting his nephew to sickbay. Simply putting Pete Preston in the turbolift, even without going directly to sickbay, probably put him ahead of any number of of other injured crewmen. The Enterprise was in a battle for its very survival and Scotty was too much of a professional not to report to his boss first.

190. deekay - November 2, 2009

will there be a german 2-DVD Special Edition (without amazon´s enterprise)?

only the 1-disc was released today, i think…

greetz, dk

191. dmduncan - November 2, 2009

189: “perhaps he said ‘Bridge!’ instead of ‘Sick Bay!’”

With the Enterprise’s antiquated Windows 9 speech recognition software and Scotty’s accent, this is possible, but if that’s what happened then we would’ve seen Scotty kicking the turbolift walls and cursing in Gaelic when the doors opened onto the bridge.

“Communications to Engineering were screwed”

You can call the bridge from lots of places throughout the ship, to report damages including sickbay or hallway intercoms.

192. Son of a Maui Portagee - November 2, 2009

#189.,

Indeed.

But the movie clearly establishes the the lifts below C-deck were not functional even after Spock’s hours seem like days repairs. So, I’ll stick with a definitely malfunctioning lift that no one considered usable and that it was a miracle The Miracleworker got it to go anywhere safely.

I’m not an expert on the movie E’s decks but isn’t Sick Bay below C-deck? Wouldn’t that mean it was in the midst of the non-functioning lift system?

193. AngryR3dPlan3t - November 3, 2009

Wow…Yet another scene ripped off from a previous trek movie. Go figure.

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