We agree then. How much money a film makes has little to do with how good it really is. Star Trek was a good movie. The only reason for concern about its popularity and how much it makes, from this fan’s perspective, is whether it makes enough to justify further movies, which I want to see

Erata

“…those course corrections were each new productions that they wrote off,…”

should read:

“…those course corrections were each new productions that allowed them to write off the previous one,…”

160. Ran
You are right. I did not notice that Ran is your real name, but then again I didn’t know Ran is your name. I’m assuming you are indirectly commenting about my “board” name (which most people use one anyway). But you may not have noticed my board name has a link which would enable anyone to find out my real name. If you are not inclined to follow the link, my real name is Michael Gabriele, and I have no problem with anyone knowing that. Also, I’ve never given an opinion in here that would require me to hide or be ashamed of saying, so the board name is just a bit of play, really (for the record, I started out using “MikeG,” but then someone else appeared using that name, so I changed to “P Techno.”)… I’ve never said anything negative about Star Trek, or BobO, or pretty much anything else regarding the film or the people who made it, so I’m not hiding behind a screen name. I just don’t approve of “bashing,” or “trolling.” I do not think there is ANY reason to insult our guests. Is it such a crime to simply be nice?

As a point of clarification, I’m not the one who introduced it. The fans of ST 2009 did when they claimed TMP was a failure because of 80s Paramount supposed reasoning to that effect with regards to box office returns.

Personally, I believe it was trumped up by the Paramount suits of then solely as a method to cover up their responsibility for running up expenses in constantly waffling over whether it was going to end up a TV series, TV movie or motion picture, and to make Roddenberry the scapegoat because he wasn’t properly subservient to their “suggestions”. An example of this is the often vaunted $42 million cost of TMP figure those executives invented by ascribing the costs of the previously aborted production attempts to TMP’s budget. That was poppycock “accounting” then and it still is. Call me a stickler but I think every time Paramount changed direction in the 70s that those course corrections were each new productions that they wrote off, and it takes some fairly skewed accounting to try and hang all those costs on the TMP film’s head.

“Space battles, space battles, space battles, that’s all the studio ever wants is space battles. Space battles, that’s not what Star Trek is about.” – Gene Roddenberry

The only thing I’m guilty of is pointing out that STAR WARS was the metric used to claim that failure and asking those that would use it against TMP to hype ST09, to be consistent.

In case you didn’t notice, I only post MY opinions under MY real name.

Actually, I was referring to somethoughts’ posts as well … his (or hers) #137 being the first post to catch my attention on the subject.

Nevertheless, you have clearly restated my point – I have observed many on this site often cite how much money Star Trek made as a measure of how good it is. Which of course has nothing to do with anything and best left out of anyone’s evidence in order to make their point about Star Trek’s worth as a film.

Yeah, that would be me. And what does how much money a movie makes have to do with how good it is? You think good movies make good money, the best movies make the best money, and only the worst movies deservedly flop?

This is not a Pixar cartooniverse.

And what else is Sony going to say? We’re real glad this piece of junk is doing so well at the box office? Please.

2012 sucked. It was worse than Terminator Salvation by the distance of the Earth’s crust to it’s iron core liquefied by the magical neutrinos emanating from the doomsday sun. It was stunningly ditzy. And FUNNY at all the wrong moments.

Emmerich is a Euro Cowboy who knows where his herd is, how big it is, and how to steer it mooing into the box office. Keep them doggies rollin’ pardner. Yeehah.

From now on, for me to go see anything that man comes within a mile of, someone ’s going to have to pay me to go see it, and then only if I don’t have something more pleasant scheduled, like a root canal.