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Exclusive Interview: JJ Abrams Talks DVD/Blu-ray and About What Worked (and didn’t) with Star Trek 2009 November 15, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: DVD/Blu-ray,Interview,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

With the imminent release of his new Star Trek movie on home video, TrekMovie thought it would be nice to check in again with director JJ Abrams to talk about the DVD and Blu-rays and look back on what worked (and maybe what didn’t). See below for (part 1) of our TrekMovie’s exclusive new interview with JJ Abrams.

 

Trek Interview: JJ Abrams on Star Trek coming home

TrekMovie: What aspect of the DVDs and Blu-rays are you most excited about? What things you wanted to make sure were on there?

J.J. Abrams: A lot. The crew was so extraordinary, that anything that would highlight the work that they did and show them off was something I wanted to see. I think the Ben Burtt segment is wonderful, and as a huge fan of his, it is a thrill that he got a great piece in there. I think looking at the work–the visual effects are obviously a huge part of this–so to see the specifics of what went into that is a terrific thing. The Gag Reel really made me laugh. The whole process of Casting and finding the people and see the audition sections is fun. The design of a movie like this, it is easy to take it for granted, because there is so much in it, but when you get to sort of break down the sort of work that people like [Creature Designer] Neville Page did and [Concept Illustrator] James Clyne did, under the supervision of [Production Designer] Scott Chambliss, it is a terrific thing to see. You get a sense of how much work went into it, not just the construction and execution, but the
conception and design of it. There were thousands of hours that went into it, that if the job is done well, is invisible. So to get to see it highlit in this way, and as a fan of movies, I really appreciate it.


JJ Abrams (with DP Daniel Mindel background right) sets up a flare on the DVD/Blu-ray special features

TrekMovie: You mentioned the Gag Reel, which is hilarious, and I noticed it started off with Chris Pine do the classic "Space, the final frontier…" speech. Was that something you guys recorded as an alternative for the end of the movie, or just for the gag reel?

 J.J. Abrams: No, that is something we recorded because we thought "it has got to be Kirk, right?" And that was even something that Kevin Smith said that it has to be Kirk at the end. But, at the end of the day, it just felt right that we give that to Nimoy, and give Spock Prime the last word.

TrekMovie: I totally get that, but I am with Kevin Smith. I think that you just spent two hours selling us on Kirk, so now it’s his ship and he should have done it. But, that’s just me.

J.J. Abrams: To me what it was, honestly, was when you heard it was more a send-off, than it was Kirk’s moment. I understand that, and I think either would have worked, but there is something, especially given the legacy of Nimoy and his involvement in this, it somehow felt right. And frankly, his voice is so evocative, that it felt to me emotionally stronger, although intellectually I don’t know how you can argue your point, which is obviously correct.

TrekMovie: It may be one of those things where there is no right answer.

J.J. Abrams: Right.


Abrams with Nimoy on set from DVD/Blu-ray: Abrams felt Nimoy’s voice was best to send off the film

TrekMovie: I didn’t notice any, but did you guys make any tweaks to the film for the DVD or Blu-ray, maybe fix some audio or something?

J.J. Abrams: I don’t think we did. I think that we just did a transfer.

TrekMovie: In our last interview right before the movie came out we talked about the deleted scenes, most of which are back-story stuff. Your point was that may be of interest to us Trekkies, but wasn’t working for a general audience, especially the Klingon diversion, which was very cool. Now after watching them, I agree with that, but in the world DVD, you suggested maybe it is possible we could see an extended version. What do you think of that idea? Where you put the deleted scenes in. It would be mostly of interest to the fans, but that kind of thing is being done, like with Watchmen.

J.J. Abrams: It is funny. I have never been moved yet to put together a version that was an extended or Director’s cut of something. Whenever I have worked on something that has been transferred to DVD, I sort of felt like ‘The movie was the movie’ and it should be left as is.  Certainly there are times where the director has conflicts with the studio and it is a way of getting the last word in and getting your version out, and I can see that, and if and when that happens to me, I am sure I will moved to do it. But for this, frankly, it felt like losing those scenes was what was best for the film. And an extended version certainly could exist, and someone could come in and cut it together, but I think the movie is better served without those scenes. While I loved aspects of everything that was cut, ultimately they were cut for a reason.


Deleted Klingons: Abrams not interested in putting deleted scenes into ‘extended edition’

TrekMovie: Looking at all the feedback on the film, was there any that you are most proud of? And also, any possible negative feedback that you took to heart, things you might want to change?

J.J. Abrams: Having read a lot and heart a lot, at the end of the day, the thing I am most happy about is that the thing that many were saying was insurmountable, that ‘how do you possibly recast this movie, how do you possibly have these characters live on without these original actors playing them?’. That that challenge seemed to have been met. That this cast was watchable, likeable, relatable, and the actors were talented enough, that that criticism was silenced and we were able to allow the crew of the Enterprise to live on with a new generation of actors. And that to me is the biggest accomplishment, which goes completely to the actors and the work that they did.


Abrams with his new crew, most proud of how well they were received

J.J. Abrams: In terms of criticisms, I agree with almost every criticism I read. It is hard not to be hard on the work that you do. So when I hear someone say "Nero was not complicated enough" I say "yeah, that’s right." Or if I hear "there are some moments–that crazy coincidence that Kirk meets Spock in the ice cave and that took me out of it", I can see that. I don’t really hear much that I don’t agree with. If someone were to say "Giacchino’s music doesn’t work" I would disagree with that, but that is a taste issue and you can’t really account for that. So for the most part I am incredibly proud of the cast, really honored to be involved in this movie. It was an incredible experience.


Abrams with Eric Bana, agrees that Nero could have been more fleshed out

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Comments

1. Hat Rick - November 15, 2009

Great article. It would have been great, as well, to have both Kirks do the opening monologue — a segue from the old Kirk to the new Kirk.

2. Jeff Bond - November 15, 2009

Well I can’t possibly be first…

3. Jeff Bond - November 15, 2009

I was right!

4. Robofuzz - November 15, 2009

I’ve got my Fedex tracking number from Amazon! I can hardly wait!

5. Simon - November 15, 2009

It is funny. I have never been moved yet to put together a version that was an extended or Director’s cut of something. Whenever I have worked on something that has been transferred to DVD, I sort of felt like ‘The movie was the movie’ and it should be left as is…
But for this, frankly, it felt like losing those scenes was what was best for the film. And an extended version certainly could exist, and someone could come in and cut it together, but I think the movie is better served without those scenes. While I loved aspects of everything that was cut, ultimately they were cut for a reason

Ya hear that people? NO DIRECTOR’S EDITION. *Ever*. Period. End of story. Now go out and buy the discs (preferably the Blu-ray).

6. Anthony Pascale - November 15, 2009

As I have noted before, the theatrical version of star Trek *is* a ‘Director’s Cut’ since Abrams had final cut. I have to admit that before the film came out I really felt it needed the Klingon scenes, but now after seeing them, I think that all the cuts were the right decision. We have the comic books for more back-story.

7. Prologic9 - November 15, 2009

I think Nimoy worked better at the end. It helps that he has precidence.

As good as Pine was as Kirk, it becomes much harder to do when you have to recite that monologue, and I don’t think he can pull it off.

8. Adam C - November 15, 2009

thanks

parts of me is angry this isn’t a new series, cant believe we gotta wait years before the next movie that might suffer the same creative decisions this movie had, with the constraints of a 2 hour movie.

but this will fall on deaf ears being that star trek is now a massive cash cow of a franchise again.

9. SupremeDalekOnTheBridge - November 15, 2009

You people seem to be getting a lot of exclusives these past few days…

10. Adam C - November 15, 2009

thats because they are superbly awesome!

Gotta balance my negatives with some positives

They did more things right with this movie then bad creative decisions. I own the Blu-ray and have watched, listened to nearly everything on it.

roll on 2 years! :(

11. dmduncan - November 15, 2009

6: “I have to admit that before the film came out I really felt it needed the Klingon scenes, but now after seeing them, I think that all the cuts were the right decision. We have the comic books for more back-story.”

The only thing I thought the movie lacked was more detail about how Kirk pulled off beating the KM “test.” Did you see those scenes, and did they not work?

12. Anthony Pascale - November 15, 2009

again, the extended version of the KM shows how Kirk cheated, but again I felt that it took away from the scene. It makes kirk seem like a dick, how he used the Orion girl to plant the virus, plus makes starfleet look stupid to not have norton antivirus

I think it is another case of less is more, leave it a mystery. Do we have to know everything.

As Nicholas Meyer likes to ask “why does Khan wear one glove?…do we need to explain that to the audience?…no, it enhances his mystery”

and as I noted in my review. the opening if the film is so much better going from the attack on the Kelvin straight to the title card with the music….that is powerful

The original version had it open with spocks birth, then kelvin attack, then klingons board Narada…it would just not as been as dramatic and opening

13. JohnD - November 15, 2009

Abrams criticisms of the movie seem to be the conservative ones, I really wished the actually made Kirk and Spock’s friendship out something. When exactly did they start to like each other in this movie?

14. Blake Powers - November 15, 2009

THANK YOU!!!!

15. Happy Russia - November 15, 2009

@ 13–

I think you’re absolutely right. I mean, it’s a very bad lack of exposition and development on the writers’ parts (seems to be a lot of that in this flick, huh? :P)

But, it’s like, “Look! They hate each other! CONFLICT!!!” and at the end of the film, without any kind of real cooperation or understanding of one another, the film tells us, “They’re friends now! FRIENDSHIP!!!” Are we really supposed to believe that? It’s just another thing that’s hard to swallow….

16. Hat Rick - November 15, 2009

I quite liked JJ’s answers to all of TM’s questions. They showed intelligence and frankness and I think that, in itself, is a tip of the hat to the fans. I think JJ and everyone involved know that any attempt at BS whatsoever would be met with the utmost displeasure, not to mention derision, disdain, and some other “d” words I can’t think of right now.

I look forward to more of this goodness in the next part of the interview!

17. Sean4000 - November 15, 2009

“Countdown” and “Nero” did a great job of fleshing out Nero whether they are or are not canon, it didn’t matter to me.

18. Pragmaticus - November 15, 2009

Giacchino deserves to win Best Original Score at the Oscars this year. If he loses, he’ll have been robbed. I still get chills listening to “Enterprising Young Men”.

19. PJ - November 15, 2009

@13 & 15
did you miss the movie? spock spazzed out and choked kirk, had a moment with his father then realized “hey, there’s something to this kirk kid” and decides to trust his emotions over logic. that was spock’s real conflict. he didnt hate kirk, he couldnt come to terms with his own issues of logic over emotions (where kirk is someone who as he once put it in trek vi rushes in where angels fear to tread). they’re more of the odd couple type than two guys who seriously hate each other. a tight friendship was bound to evolve, with or without spock prime prodding it along.
hopefully that explanation helps.

20. Kirk's Kid - November 15, 2009

I thought Kirk and Spock got to like each other while they worked together on Nero’s ship. That’s the kind of thing that plants the seeds of true friendship.

21. PJ - November 15, 2009

besides, there was a newbie in my platoon that i couldnt stand being around. after my first deployment & going on patrols together, we ended up bonding. we’re no kirk/spock, but you get my point i think.

22. Scott - November 15, 2009

re: “[Nimoy's] voice is so evocative, that it felt to me emotionally stronger”

One thing I noticed about much of the cast… as much as I like them, their voices don’t have the gravitas of their predecessors. The voices of the new Kirk and Spock and some of the others just don’t seem to have the body and depth of the originals.

As for coincidences, I actually thought meeting Scotty the way they did was worse than Kirk meeting Spock Prime there! (And why *did* new Spock send him to Delta Vega in a pod instead of beaming him right to the federation outpost nearby?)

23. Al Hartman - November 15, 2009

The only thing I didn’t like about Giacchino’s score for the movie (and McCarthy’s score for Generations) was that the main title was too weak, and wasn’t up to par with the other movies.

I liked most allof the rest of the soundtrack, especially the Vulcan pieces, the piece just before the main title, and when the Enterprise rises out of the clouds.

I just want a really cool main title.

24. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - November 15, 2009

JJ is right about Nimoy’s voice. Which is why he was wrong about Quinto. As fine a performance as Quinto put in as Spock (he was good), he ultimately falls short, and the movie suffers because of his voice. I posted that concern here last winter. As JJ says, “And frankly, his voice is so evocative…” Spock/Nimoy has that distinctive baritone. While not quite the Voice of God, it is the Voice of The Answer. The voice of the smartest being in the galaxy. Quinto simply does not have the pipes. Nearly every other detail of the film was either great or good. The Voice of Spock was a big miss.

(Not for nothing was Nimoy the voice of “In Search of…”!!)

Also, it was done before. Spock ended Wrath of Khan by doing Kirk’s speech as well. Only that time he didn’t blow the line. Where no MAN has gone before!

25. Star Trek Movie Score Misses - November 15, 2009

18. Sorry. I don’t think Giacchino’s score deserves Oscar. It was hardly in the league of Goldsmith, even James Horner or even Leonard Rosenthal, who by the way, is the only other Trek composer to be Oscar nominated for his Trek work. There’s no strong theme to bring the movie together, no sense of home/family. While the Courage theme at the end was a half decent homage, it plays too fast with the also too fast moving credits to properly savor it.

Maybe in the next film, they’ll hire John Williams to do one. That would be one Trek score that could be truly Trektacular.

26. Trekenstein - November 15, 2009

#18 – I think that is a bit premature, especially with Avatar yet to arrive with James Horner’s score. The last time those two teamed up, Horner took all the prizes. But more importantly have you really heard most of the scores for movies released this year? There was some really wonderful music, to say Giacchino “was robbed” in the face of some of his competition is hyperbole indeed. You don’t win Oscar’s for one cue and his entire score had some missteps in my opinion. I would almost want to give him the award for UP instead, if I had to chose between them.

27. Jason - November 15, 2009

On the Giacchino argument, I’m a huge fan of his work, ever since the opening notes of The Incredibles. And I think ST09 is probably one of his better scores, just listen to the soundtrack and tell me you don’t see a mental picture of where its from in the film, especially the Enterprising Young Men cue, which is up there with TMP’s reveal of the Enterprise.

As for the narration at the end, it should have been one of the new cast members, if not Pine than Quinto. As was said, the point is for 120 minute you just tried to sell to me that these characters are the ones we know and love, so why not give them the most important lines in the film. It’s like ending a Daniel Craig Bond film with the opening from a Sean Connery film.

28. Son of a Maui Portagee - November 15, 2009

Too bad the interview appears to be concluded. I would have liked to have suggested the question “Given your commercial television experience do you think you will be making editing choices for ST’s eventual network TV airing that you wouldn’t have dreamed doing for the theatrical/DVD releases.?”

29. Hat Rick - November 15, 2009

23, 27, interesting thoughts. About the Vulcan pieces: I thought that the use of the erhu was inspired. That instrument by nature has a sad, nostalgic tonality that fit what happened to Vulcan perfectly.

30. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - November 15, 2009

27 “It’s like ending a Daniel Craig Bond film with the opening from a Sean Connery film.”

If Connery is in it, you do! Nimoy was in it. Sort of the same reasoning, that they would be too big NOT to give them the last word.

31. Mark Anton - November 15, 2009

Since we’re talking criticism…

Pine really should have said the “Space, the final frontier” speech at the end of the movie. It was his moment to shine, and to establish that he was in fact heading that mission into space as captain of the Enterprise. This may be the only time we get to hear that classic speech in these new movies. I love Leonard Nimoy, but this sounded too much like a retread of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. I also missed hearing the original television score, which wasn’t used until the very end. I realize that this is just an opinion, but it should have been integrated into the new music during different parts of the picture.One final irritation with this movie is it’s beginning to sound like it’s going to be quite a while before we get to see a second one. Quality is very important, but I also believe that a project like Star trek needs to come out on a regular basis. If it takes three years for each one to come out, that means we’ll probably get to see this crew on only three or four missions. What a shame. There should be enough talent and technology out there to deliver a great product faster than that.

32. sensor ghost - November 15, 2009

I’m going to have to wait until December to buy it because I’m too broke to even buy dog food, let alone movies ;______;

I’m VERY glad they had Nimoy do the voiceover at the end. That’s just about my favorite part of the movie. If it had been Chris Pine that wouldn’t have had that effect, it would be an “Oh cool” moment, but with Nimoy it’s poignant and evocative and very emotional. Definitely the right choice, 100%.

33. Rach - November 15, 2009

JJ’s a genius. And I don’t think any composer but Giacchino could have made it as epic as it was.

And I personally think, looking back, that Chris should have done the end speech. It’s tradition for the captain of the Enterprise to do that. Shatner did it, Stewart did it, and Pine should have.

But Leonard is a legend. He IS the embodiment of Star Trek. Plus, I agree with JJ, his voice is so recognizable, and easy to assosiate with Spock.

:)

34. Bill - November 15, 2009

I must say having Nimoy do the voice over was well done. The only thing I could have seen better, is the “Scene” that was discussed for William Shanter and it closing with him doing it. I am not a Shanter freako, but the Chris Pine version, now I am sure it would have sounded better after adjustment, sounded flat and the Nimoy version sealed the deal for me.

The very only critique of the movie. Could you have perhaps three longer shots of the exterior pf the Enterprise? I need a long beauty pass to properly appreciate the work the art designers took in redesigning the Enterprise. Don’t get me wrong, the rising out of Titan was great, but even one more shot like that would have been fantastic.

Well you already got $75 from me and my family at the theater and now you will get just a bit more. Thanks from the bottom of my heart for not making it another Nemesis.

35. somethoughts - November 15, 2009

#13 and #15

When Spock came back to the crew and volunteered to go on board the Narada to steal the black hole device, Kirk denies him and said that he would join him. Spock: “I would cite regulation, but I know you would simply ignore it.” Pause, Kirk: smile, “See, we are getting to know each other.” Spanks Spocks body like a buddy playing a baseball game.

Their hate for each other was slowly turning into love from this point on.

36. Allen Williams - November 15, 2009

OK who voted for Shatner? He wasn’t even in the movie. That would have been completely retarded. Shatner as Kirk is dead. Hes been dead so get over it.

I’m surprised they didn’t mention the lens flares in the criticisms. I hope he doesn’t do that again in the next movie. If he does I’ll remember to bring sunglasses. It makes the movie look cheep. Please don’t do it again.

37. Charla- Trek KUDOS to JJ, BOB and ALEX!!! - November 15, 2009

JJ is a genius, and is also way too hard on himself! He shouldn’t worry so much about what is said after the fact, and be extremely PROUD of HIMSELF!!

JJ also paid a wonderful tribute to Nimoy at the end which was very classy to do.

Michael Giacchino was the best – can’t imagine it with anyone else!

I hope that we don’t have to wait until 2012 to see the next one- too much time between allows people to relax too much and forget about it for too long. I think Star Trek needs a 1-2 punch after such an incredibly well received debut of the reboot! It would be such a great time for the movie industry and fans- (Fingers crossed)

38. Mr. Delicious - November 15, 2009

And Kevin Smith’s opinion matters WHY?

39. Charla- - November 15, 2009

Gene L. Koons,
Sorry but you are so wrong about Quinto’s voice. He has the perfect voice for Spock. He just does. There. :P

40. Anthony Pascale - November 15, 2009

RE: Kevin Smith

If you remember, Kevin Smith was one of the first people to see a cut of STAR TREK. Back in the summer of 2008 he also started the buzz on the film
http://trekmovie.com/2008/09/19/kevin-smith-star-trek-almost-as-good-as-dark-knight/

JJ has a circle of trust of people that he uses for feedback. People like like Smith, Akiva Goldsmith, Matt Reeves and others

41. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - November 15, 2009

39 I think you just stuck your tongue out at me! lol!

OK, OK, I am sure I am just old. Glad you like him.

Here’s a Spock raised-eyebrow thingy.
^o_O^

42. somethoughts - November 15, 2009

#36

Yea, I think if they left the lens flares at the beginning of the film when the Narada was being attacked, to illustrate it was in the past.

I am real curious what happens in the next movie. If they use Shatner, he can be in it for 15mins, where Kirk/Pine contracts some aging virus on some “away mission/landing party.” Allows for more McCoy Doctor scenes. Would also be great tribute to Shatner to see him on that captains chair again, even if it’s for 15mins tops.

If you can imagine all the TOS episodes and movies with the new cast, sets, and special effects, it definitely gives you chills.

Send the Enterprise to another Galaxy, one that is not pin wheel like, in a Indiana Jones type adventure where they have to find some great powerful relic before x antagonist. More exotic aliens, creatures, planets, special effects. Kirk has visions of his Dad ala Obi Wan from Star Wars and/or Spock has visions of his mom and is convinced she is not dead.

True Science Fiction Action Adventure and tie it in with a message about humanity and ethics/morals. Just no more movies about Earth is going to blow up if Kirk and crew don’t act fast.

Have it so the stakes are one of the crews lives or the race of a pre/post warp society where the Prime directive is inhibiting the crew from doing the right thing.

Showcase Kirks commanding powers by going heads up against one of Klingons Best, not a fist fight but through star ship command abilities, against the written book, beyond logic, and simply by sheer Kirkness.

The final 30mins of the movie, have the USS Enteprise pick up the Botany Bay floating in space and end it like that. Everyone will go ape shit wild, and get people talking, there will be 50% who love this and 50% who hate this and are not sure. Perhaps in this rescue mission, Kirk/McCoy some how kill Khan’s wife and he forever is upset at Kirk/McCoy. Khan plots his revenge between part 2 and 3 where his plan is executed in part 3.

43. somethoughts - November 15, 2009

*Kelvin

44. Eric - November 15, 2009

My biggest issues with the film is when Spoke prime assumed Kirk was already captain of the Enterprise when they met in the cave. Didn’t he assume by seeing how young Kirk was that he still had a few years to go? The other issue was that Kirk became captain like weeks after graduating from the academy. They should have waited until the second film to give him that promotion, not that Pine didn’t look good with the gold shirt and sitting in that chair. Everything else in the film was fine with me.

45. dmduncan - November 15, 2009

I LOVE Giacchino’s score. I bought it. And I can’t praise it highly enough. I thought it was on par with the best of what Goldsmith wrote for TMP and the excellent theme from Voyager, and far better than anything else done for Trek since then.

46. Syn4Ever - November 15, 2009

I loved that Nimoy had the final word… it felt like his final send off. Plus, ever since I’ve watched Trek, I’ve loved his voice. It meant more to me that he did the end monologue.

I also love Quinto’s voice. So no complaints from this corner!

Oh! And Abram’s shouldn’t be so hard on himself, I loved the movie the way it was! (Blu-Ray here I come!)

47. ximpa - November 15, 2009

Should have asked why he promoted the heck out of it being “bold”, “new directions”, etc while in the end the movie plays it safe 100% of the time.

48. Enterprise - November 15, 2009

Kevun Smith doesn’t make or brake a movie for me. I can’t stand the guy.

49. Trekluver - November 15, 2009

@1

Hopefully next time around if JJ’s smart enough to put The Shat in there! The Shat is the best action hero! Up there with Vin Diesiel, Bruce Willis, Christian Bale, and Chuck Norris! :)

50. Trekluver - November 15, 2009

@45

I have it too! It’s not as good as Jerry Goldsmith and it never will but it certanly was good. The end title was just the greatist and really gave this crew a great send off!

51. MC1 Doug - November 15, 2009

I like the musical score, BUT no one can compare to Jerry Goldsmith’s scores of ST: TMP!

52. somethoughts - November 15, 2009

#51

Jerry Goldsmith’s score for ST TMP was great but over played, every time I hear it now, all I can think about is TNG and the Viking Klingons (boring design, all the actors do a lame job at acting tough and stupid/brave, so cliche, the Klingons were best featured in THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY by Christopher Plummer imo and by the fan made Klingon Propoganda you tube video).

Can you bring back Christopher Plummer as a Klingon and have him meet Kirk for the first time in this new reality? Maybe show how he lost his eye also.

Michael’s score is so fresh, every time I hear it, all I can think about is the opening sequence to ST09 and Kirk/McCoy seeing the Enterprise in space for the very first time in the new reality. When Star Trek wins some Academy awards you will hear Enterprising Young Men play while JJ walks up and accepts the award.

53. somethoughts - November 15, 2009

Interesting;

The Undiscovered Country was initially planned as a prequel to the original series, with younger actors portraying the crew of the Enterprise while attending Starfleet Academy, but the idea was discarded because of negative reaction from the cast and the fans. Faced with producing a new film in time for Star Trek’s 25th anniversary, Flinn and Meyer, the director of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, wrote a script based on a suggestion from Leonard Nimoy about what would happen if “the wall came down in space”, touching on the contemporary events of the Cold War.

54. Finding Nimoy - November 16, 2009

I think thatit was more important to show how Kirk and Spock came to *respect* each other, which is what the movie did. Mutual respect is the foundation for a *true* friendship.

>>>>>>>>>>

13. JohnD – November 15, 2009

Abrams criticisms of the movie seem to be the conservative ones, I really wished the actually made Kirk and Spock’s friendship out something. When exactly did they start to like each other in this movie?

55. Col.Tigh - November 16, 2009

I think they still could of worked in the bully that beat up Kirk in the bar scene (Jason Matthew Smith)… give him a Irish accent and call him Finnegan from the OTS.

56. Justice Boy - November 16, 2009

#52.

I believe you can see how Chang lost his eye in the computer game; Klingon Academy.

Even though computer games aren’t canon, I don’t think they should change this one. …although, this is a new timeline, so anything can happen.

57. AJ - November 16, 2009

Anthony:

You always come through with *the* exclusives that make this site great.

With all the “buzz” around the interwebs about past, and up and coming films, it seems that JJ is called to discuss “Trek” more often than any other project, MI included. Is this the job that ate his brain? Or is the project now just that much closer to his heart than it was before? He seems much more into his ‘Trek’ now than he was pre-release, secrecy aside.

It’s nice to hear him address specific issues (Nero’s (lack of) complexity, coincidences, etc.), and it proves it’s still fresh and vital for him, and that his brain is not clogged with MI-IV, Micronauts, Fringe, etc. to the point that Trek gets back-burner treatment a year after he wrapped.

I would love to see him take on Trek2012. He has to be the one to get this crew on the road. He started it. He should take ‘his’ version to the next level.

58. Zebonka - November 16, 2009

Blah blah, Chris will get a chance to do the Final Frontier speech when they hit TV ….

oh that’s right, it probably won’t happen – but by God it should. Star Trek belongs on television.

The 80′s string of Trek movies was great, I think, but if you think about it we only got told one decent story – the Genesis thing. I’m hoping we get more than one arc out of the new crew because they deserve a chance to grow a bit. Any problem I had with the movie didn’t necessarily come from casting. (McCoy won me over, I’ll admit it.)

59. montgomery - November 16, 2009

Yes, I have to agree the deleted scenes belonged deleted. My concern is that there is a 25 year hole in the movie… and couldn’t they really just have reworked what belonged in that hole to make it fit ? Seriously. They’re trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Ok, it didn’t work. But there are a lot of 3 or 4 minutes scenes that would have worked and that would have filled in the massive narrative hole.

A few things were like that in this movie. I’m glad JJ saw that things we notice and stumble over are not necessarily successes — like the camera flares or the peculiarly constructed story.

He’s a smart guy. I’m sure it will improve next time around.

60. Shunnabunich - November 16, 2009

While I do like most of Michael Giacchino’s score, the cheesy and trite main theme is an abomination, IMO. He’s proven in other films (and to some extent in this one) that he’s capable of composing really good film music, so the fact that he got away with this Trek travesty will never cease to puzzle me. Maybe JJ just said, “Hey, I’m not a ‘music person’, I’ll trust whatever he gives me on this one”?

In reference to #23, I liked even Generations’ opening better than that, because it managed to evoke relevant emotion rather than nausea and music-nerd rage. Thanks to McCarthy having written for so much of TNG itself (which I grew up on, so I’m probably biased in its favour), ST:G’s score felt like a “grown-up” or “silver screen” version of what you’d hear on the show, which to me was appropriate. While there was no need for such a connection in this reboot (especially considering how dated 60s sci-fi music would’ve sounded if adapted for use throughout the movie), there WAS a need for a strong, inspiring main theme, which I feel went unfulfilled (and maybe spat upon for good measure).

Even with the lens flares and third-rate plot, that’s the one thing that really bugs me about this movie. And of course, due to it being a matter of taste, the one thing JJ wouldn’t admit he may have been wrong about. Darn anyway. :P

61. Penhall99 - November 16, 2009

36:

I voted for Shatner, so get over it. I can vote for whoever I want, pal.

Anyway, I still think the deleted scenes should have been put back in, because without them, it leaves some huge plot holes that hurt an otherwise excellent film.

62. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - November 16, 2009

I think having Nimoy do it was perfect, although a combo of Nimoy starting off with new kirk ending it would have been cool. I think JJ and the cast did a great job. THANK YOU FOR MAKING STAR TREK GREAT AGAIN!!!!!

63. Mr Tim - November 16, 2009

There was at least one change for the dvd/blu ray, and it was the one thing that bugged me when the film was in cinemas.

The continuity error when kirk is on the Narada, he jumps from the platform from Ayel, and then lands chest first on the lower platform. Ayels gun could clearly be seen on the platform as kirk struggles to keep hold. Ayel then lands etc, kirk then gets the gun, shoots Ayel and it falls back onto the platform.

Only a small error, but once it was seen i couldn’t stop noticing it! Glad it got removed for the blu ray release…

64. ST-One - November 16, 2009

TrekMovie: I didn’t notice any, but did you guys make any tweaks to the film for the DVD or Blu-ray, maybe fix some audio or something?

J.J. Abrams: I don’t think we did. I think that we just did a transfer.

……

Well, I noticed one thing they fixed: they removed the gun from the first of the twice-used overhead-shots during the Kirk/Ayel fight on the Narada. (that gun was already lying on that bridge before Kirk even took it from Ayel in the theatrical version)

65. Captain Rickover - November 16, 2009

Even if Abrams don’t like Director Cuts (so it seems), he could do an extended cut of Star Trek, like Peter Jackson did with the LOTR-trilogy. After seeing the cutted scenes I think the movie would have worked better with some scenes left.

Baby Spock: That could have been cut in right after the Kelvin-Action. I think it would have worked.

Jimmy and his uncle: I think JJ sould have left that in the movie. It gives you a better understandig why this Kirk acts like he acts.

Extended Kobayashi Maru test: Even the commenters (I can’t differ the voices) say that’s the better version. That’s my no. 1 choice to cut it back into the movie. It makes Kirk’s cheating far more clever.

The entire Klingon-stuff: I think JJ is right to left that out. There is no character-stuff in it, what could free Nero from his 2-dimensional personality. And because the Klingons don’t appear again in the movie, so it’s completly useless.

Sarek sees elder Spock: Another scene I’m glad they left out.

Kirk and the green girl: I’m not sure. But as a fan of green girls, I vote for cut it back in the movie! ;)

66. Hat Rick - November 16, 2009

49, miracles do happen. ;-)

67. I, Mugsy - November 16, 2009

#42 – I’m with you pal – I think a search/discovery of some kind of alien artifact would be the start of an interesting story. The ‘villain of the week’ concept is SOOOO tired and done to death now, and Trek at it’s best was always about exploring. It really would be nice to see something totally new and fresh.

Dare the filmakers make a sequal without any antagonist (or bloody klingons yet again, or Khan, or Romulans, Borg etc) and instead try a proper intelligent sci-fi route (before the term Star Wars buggered up the general publics view of what Sci-Fi actually is) and do something totally fresh.

It’s funny, the opening monolgue was about exploring strange new worlds, but we never really got to see that – not enough budget for the 60s series, and the films were mostly about confrontation. It would be amazing to see some TRUE alien vistas and worlds to explore, like the sci-fi novel artwork you used to get on 60s/70s books.

I find it a bit depressing that Avatar is going to beat Trek into showing ‘strange new worlds’. Trek needs to steel it’s OWN crown back again.

- I, Mugsy

68. Hat Rick - November 16, 2009

Interesting thoughts, 67. One thing that came to mind that’s kind of anti-space opera is the movie remake of Lost in Space. While it had its own problems, it seemed to have some fairly striking twists in it. Was that what you had in mind?

69. Trekboi - November 16, 2009

I think the film is better without the deleted scenes but why not finish off the special effects & have the deleted scenes as a branching option so u can see the film as an extended version just for another way to view the film?

Why not JJ- who’s it gunna hurt?

70. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - November 16, 2009

TOO MANY LENS FLARES…

Also, having to read “Countdown” and “Nero” comics smells of shoddy writing…

Still bought the film and saw it 4 times at the flicks haha.

71. Zebonka - November 16, 2009

Yeah, JJ – please do an extended edition.

As the only video editor in the family, mine are asking me to make a DVD for them that puts the deleted stuff back in ….. ‘n’ I really can’t be bothered.

72. cugel the clever - November 16, 2009

6 – “I really felt it needed the Klingon scenes, but now after seeing them, I think that all the cuts were the right decision. We have the comic books for more back-story.”

I don’t agree, for two reasons:

1. The comic books are not canon. Boborci has clearly stated this and it has always been the convention for the franchise. Nothing that happens in the comics or books can be linked to the movie.

2. Leaving out the Klingon episode leaves a gaping hole in logic in the film. What was Nero doing for the 25 years between his arrival and Spock’s arrival in the alternate timeline? I realize he wanted to wait for Spock’s arrival before he destroyed Vulcan (so Spock could witness the event), but why didn’t he use the 25 years to destroy the other Federation planets? It would have been even more shocking for Spock to leave a thriving Federation (in the future) and then arrive amongst the smoldering ruins of hundreds of planets, with his own homeworld being saved for the final stroke. The answer to these questions is clearly explained in the deleted scenes, but without them, it’s a serious defect in the continuity and logic of the story.

It’s not reasonable, as Anthony did, to compare the mystery of Khan’s one glove to the Klingon gap in the movie. One is an intriguing and minor mystery that might even setup for a future movie or tv episode, the other is a fundamental flaw in story telling.

I agree with leaving out Spock’s birth – the other scenes of his childhood later in the movie are more than enough to establish Spock’s origin.

73. cugel the clever - November 16, 2009

67-
“the films were mostly about confrontation. It would be amazing to see some TRUE alien vistas and worlds to explore, like the sci-fi novel artwork you used to get on 60s/70s books.”

Totally agree! It’s time to do a movie which is about exploring strange new worlds, not fighting the same tired old adversaries (Romulans, Klingons, Borg, Khan, etc). Some of the art work in the original series, such as Methuselah’s castle or the lithium cracking station on Delta Vega were fabulous and evoked visions of strange worlds and adventure – however, very few TOS eps or films actually explored these possibilities.

Let’s explore the universe for the next film.

74. 750 Mang - November 16, 2009

Nice to see that JJ acknowledges some of the little stuff that will forever drive me nuts.

I also agree with him that the music isn’t one of them. The score of this movie was outstanding and original.

Looking forward to the Blu-Ray tomorrow.

75. Kev - November 16, 2009

My only 3 real complaints were the way it sort of made the charicters meet by coincidence.

1. I would have liked it to just focus on the meeting of Kirk, spock Bones and Scotty (cant have a tos film without the ships miracile worker after all)

uhra chekov and sulu were minor characters after all, hell I would have prefered the love triange to be between Kirk spock and carrol marcus, not uhura

2. Is that kirk really doesnt devlop in the film he’s the same man that we saw at the beging of the film once the end credits roll.

Hell he only cheated on the kobiashi maru for kicks, not out of personal honor or the thought that by telling cadets that there may be a battle they

can’t win that they’d be forcing a defeatist mindset upon people rather than encouraging people to do what is right even though they might die in the process.

3. The other is Nero and his motivations I mean spock was trying to save
your planet, why go after him?

I mean most people who saw the film didn’t read the countdown comic and if they did it would have made more sense for nero to abduct the ancestors of the vulcan console that delayed spocks departing and kill them and warn them of the upcoming distruction of romulus

that being said brining back the orignal tos characters was a mamoth undertaking and if you overlook these flaws it was cetainly better than
the TNG films in my opinon, I loved TNG on TV but I didn’t care for the films

76. Kev - November 16, 2009

3. by warn I mean warn romulus not the ancestors of the volcan console of the destruction of romulus

77. Jeyl - November 16, 2009

@71: “Leaving out the Klingon episode leaves a gaping hole in logic in the film.”

Quite surprising that you come to that conclusion. The writers, producers and director thought the scene was important. That’s why they wrote it, sketched it, visualized it, built it, paid actors, make up artists, wardrobe specialists, set designers, shot it, edited it, mixed it and presented it. That’s a lot of time, money and effort spent on a sequence to just say “Hmm. That does nothing.”

If you ask me, I think I would have seen the gap in logic in the script. Who knows what we could have gotten with the money saved if it wasn’t shot? An Engineering set?!

78. nuSpock - November 16, 2009

ya know…keep the deleted scenes out or add them in…all i want is a corrected version of the film where obvious flaws in the film that detract from the believability of it fixed…such as an obvious shot at the beginning where Robau’s command badge is on his uniform one second, gone the next, then on again in the next shot…simple to add it via CGI…

also: theres a shot as Enterprise is approaching The Narada at Vulcan where the Enterprise is flipped upside down after the camera pans out of the bridge viewscreen window…making it look like the bridge is on the underbelly of the saucer when the rest of the shots prove its on the top still…

and: near the end of the film, when Quinto’s Spock is flying around in Nimoy Spock’s ship doing damage…when Nero yells SPOOOOOCCCKKKKK!!!!, his mauled ear is on the opposite side of his face from where it is the rest of the movie…

You know…simple things like a movie’s internal consistency, so the editing won’t look like a Mel Brooks spoof of Star Trek…

Anthony, if you could PLEASE pass this along to J.J., that would be greatly appreciated on behalf of all the fans LOL:)

79. Losira - November 16, 2009

Extended verson is nice. Could answer many questions however let all the fans watch the deleted scenes 1st then await their feedback on all scenes. Down the road later, see if it would realy work. As for vouceovers,use shat & nimoy. End with Chris.. I wonder how the music by John Williams could have worked?

80. I, Mugsy - November 16, 2009

Anybody commented on the fact this is the first Trek film to feature the dreaded ‘F’ word?….

I was very surprised they didn’t drown it out with FX or something in the Beastie Boys song.

A somewhat dubious claim to fame, but I guess it IS a first!

81. Allen Williams - November 16, 2009

What is it with you people that want them to remake every episode of TOS? It was 7 years from nemisis to star trek 2009. Its going to be another 2 years at least before we get another one, and we haven’t had a show since 2004. If we had a tv show, then i wouldn’t mind them wasting movies on remakes, but since we don’t i want to see something new. I’ve seen all 700+ episodes and 11 movies dozens of times. Its time for something new.

I like and respect lenord nemoy, but we don’t need him anymore. I consider shatner too egotistical for him to be in anything without it being about him. Not to meantion hes had his time. This isn’t the 1960′s anymore.

I want the next movie to have the 2009 cast stand alone with a new villain or program. It just takes too long to waste a movie with anything else.

82. ahdam - November 16, 2009

You don’t seriously think Paramount will not put out a director’s cut in the future? Once they have gotten all the money from this edition, the next ‘LOGICAL’ step is the ‘Director’s Cut Extended Version.’ We have all seen it before and we will see it again. After all don’t they want all Trek fans to go out and buy everything new in blu-ray???

83. ensign joe - November 16, 2009

“there are some moments–that crazy coincidence that Kirk meets Spock in the ice cave and that took me out of it”

That was exactly my problem with the movie. With the second viewing I think my attention was not as focused so it worked better.

I realize that plot holes and nitpicks are evident in alot of movies, but I feel as a viewer it is not my job to have to discern these but have my attention held in such a way that I don’t have to.

It’s like a magician. Movie magic. One hand flourishes while the other works the trick..

The cave scene, Spock’s condescending “Live long and prosper” to the council peeps, the Kobayashi test, super beaming, no earth defenses, the lack of a tether on the phasers on the platform scene (c’mon guys.. everybody knows to tie sensitive items to your person so you don’t lose them :).. all took me out of the movie. Especially the fan nods. Especially the fan nods.

It encourages me to know JJ is aware.

And like he said, the acting was great (I bought all the characters).. Got the soundtrack (love Giacchino’s music.. ROAR! anyone?) and loved the effects (I could have gone with more extend cuts of just the Enterprise)

I didn’t notice the lens flares at all.

84. Schiefy - November 16, 2009

I said this elsewhere when discussing the score but it just doesn’t pass the memorable and humable test for me. Even now, while having seen the film 3 or 4 times I just can’t conjure up the music let alone hum it.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the music in and of itself but it just doesn’t stick with me like previous scores for Trek or many of the Williams compositions do.

Now, my son disagrees with me so it is, as J.J. pointed out, a matter of taste and my comments are only opinions of taste for me not everyone else. But don’t tell me the closing titles rendition of the TOS theme doesn’t resonate in your head far better than the rest of the score!

85. Lore - November 16, 2009

#83 Your right. The music was good, but I sure don’t remember it the way I remembered “The Empire Strikes Back” music, way back when, maybe I’m just getting old.

86. frederick von fronkensteen - November 16, 2009

Yeah, when we heard about the movie it was “here they are as younger people than when they were on the ship later” but when the movie came out suddenly we are led to believe these are all the same age as their TV counterparts. I bought them all as younger, just-out-of-the-Academy pre-Enterprise versions, but “start of the five-year voyage” ages, no. But, it’s what we got, and it;s way better than no more Kirk and Spock. They’ll mature into the roles.

87. Demode - November 16, 2009

I would love a direct to DVD film of NERO: a prequel using scenes filmed for Star Trek that were cut out, with added scenes filmed for it. Could get some great stuff with members of the TNG gang (like Worf, Geordi) in there if they did that. It just seems right for a DVD film. A companion film from Nero’s perspective would be interesting.

88. CJS - November 16, 2009

The one thing they need to do for any future special edition of this film is re-shoot all of the engine room scenes in a real Star Fleet engine room, and not the local Budweiser brewery.

89. LCDR Arch - November 16, 2009

To me one small change would have helped me believe in the movie:

Kirk should have been a Lieutenant at the academy just like in Saavik in Wrath of Khan. That way he would have been more mature after 4 years serving on Farragut and we would not have had the silly cadet to Captain movie plot. As a naval officer it has taken me 11 years to get promoted to Lieutenant Commander and the rank of Captain is still 11 years away! So I can not understand being given command of the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) after graduating from college as an Ensign!
(Of course I don’t having saving the Earth on my resume….)

90. Charla- - November 16, 2009

Gene, I was sticking my tongue out at you LOL and I love the Spock eyebrow thingy!!

91. Eli - November 16, 2009

Regarding the Kirk-Spock friendship, even the first time we saw them together in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” it seemed clear that Kirk was closer to Gary Mitchell than Spock and the two were still getting to know each other during that “first mission” of the Original Series.

So it did not feel out of place at all at the end of the new movie the way things are between the crew for me.

92. Buzz Cagney - November 16, 2009

Just been watching the Making Of part on my just bought DVD and it has really enhanced my opinion of the movie and the people that made it. I salute you for your imagination and passion. And it looked like great fun!
Thank you- yet again! Thank you.

93. JohnD - November 16, 2009

The other thing I neglected to mention was that it is hard for me to see how Spock came to respect Kirk after basically ripping him apart after his planet was destroyed. Despite all the “mutal respect discussion” I still don’t see where it was in the movie that Spock would all of a sudden had gained respect for kirk.

Was it after he blatently cheated on his test?

Was it when he told him his mother never loved him?

Was it when Kirk took comanded of the Federation Flagship with zero experience, and when Spock got no recognition to his efforts in stopping Nero except to serve under his ass?

94. ELT - November 16, 2009

Two things bothered me about this movie.

One of them being the minor fact that Uhura wasn’t the headstrong woman she should have been, and was instead reduced to a clingy. . . Let’s just say I rather hated how they portrayed her in the new movie. And it goes beyond her rather oddly placed relationship with Spock, that I can get past, but they ruined her personality. There were moments where I could see a spark of the lovely Nyota I had grown to admire, but over-all, it was all very disappointing. Though, I must admit I loved her in the Bar scene with Kirk and the scene where she ‘asks’ Spock to fix her assigned ship. Also, this is nothing against Zoe, that woman is lovely.

The second bothers me a great deal more, so much so that I couldn’t stop myself from raving in the Theaters, much to the disdain of the younger generation but, I heard a few supportive elder voices. It was due to the fact that they had multiple Starships go into Warp right next to SpaceDock. Was nothing learned from Star Trek: The Motion Picture? Honestly, that seems like a major oversight to me, because who can miss Wormhole causing issues? Then again, maybe I am incorrect and they had moved away before going to Warp, but if they did they did it very stealthily and I’m still irked.

Other than that, I have no other big complaints. I liked the cast, the score, even the lensflare (it added a gaudy/cheesy feeling that TOS had). Even if I have to wait two more years, at least there is going to be more.

95. Adam E - November 16, 2009

I hope the extra features explains what the barcode scanners are meant to be.

When does “Nero” come out in trade paperback?

96. Bill - November 16, 2009

It is funny. I have never been moved yet to put together a version that was an extended or Director’s cut of something. Whenever I have worked on something that has been transferred to DVD, I sort of felt like ‘The movie was the movie’ and it should be left as is…
But for this, frankly, it felt like losing those scenes was what was best for the film. And an extended version certainly could exist, and someone could come in and cut it together, but I think the movie is better served without those scenes. While I loved aspects of everything that was cut, ultimately they were cut for a reason

Somewhere out there in a galaxy far, far away, George Lucas is laughing all the way to the Bank.

97. Buzz Cagney - November 16, 2009

#93 I think a great deal was learnt from TMP!! Maybe not about Wormholes but certainly plenty of well learned lessons about pacing and story telling were on show. I’d rather have those well learnt lessons than have any spurious concerns about some vague unproven scientific notions.

98. frederick von fronkensteen - November 16, 2009

ELT,

Really, the “can’t go to warp in a solar system” rule was never stated onscreen in TMP, and abandoned in The Voyago Home when the went to warp in the atmosphere! If it wasn’t stuck to then, I don’t think JJ would be too careful to observe it in the new version. It didn’t bother me. But I know what you mean.

99. G - November 16, 2009

Cool! SO, he agrees that there were too many lens flares?? LOL

In terms of Giacchino’s music, I agree with JJ, I thought it was great. HOWEVER, I did feel that his music didn’t have enough.. variety?? In other words, the theme music was great, but it was pretty much the same theme music throughout the whole movie, but just with some changes in speed and tempo for different scenes. He didn’t have any alternate “stand-out” themes like we used to hear (i.e. “Khan/Reliant” theme, “Klingon” music, etc). It just seemed like he used the same theme from the opening credits, over and over, but just changing it up a bit.

Just my 2 cents.

100. ELT - November 16, 2009

Buzz:
I have to agree there, the lack of a final message/moral was a little disheartening, that’s what Star Trek has always been about. Unless they were going for a message of ‘Goad your Superior and Get the Tar Beat Out of You’ or ‘Sleep With Your Teacher’. It was simply a pretty action flick, with favourite characters brought back. But, the good guys did win. Kinda.

Frederick:
Very good point, I obviously should re-watch I-VI a few more times. But, on the same note, I think the reason it really bothered me is because they had so many Starships do it at the same time. It wasn’t just one, or two. It was eight, or seven if you don’t want to count Enterprises’ late start. I don’t know, it would seem like that many would do some sort of damage, but it could just be me.

101. TonyD - November 16, 2009

#94 – If you’ll recall the Enterprise also goes to warp right after leaving Spacedock in ST III:TSFS. That little bit about “risking warp drive while still within the solar system” was introduced in TMP but quickly discarded from established continuity and forgotten.

For me the biggest stumbling block to the new movie was the design of the sets and props. I’ve always felt that the Enterprise was just as much a character of the shows and movies as any of the flesh and blood crew and I think the sets should reflect her importance. The bridge was OK but a little too cluttered and crowded for my tastes and the Transporter Room was servicable but other than that the rest of the ship (engineering, sickbay, the communications stations, and the hangar deck) were all pretty weak, especially compared to some of the earlier proposed designs that we’ve seen.

Likewise equipment like the phasers and communicators just weren’t as imaginative or “cool” as in other films.

I thought that the filmmakers really nailed all the characters and I don’t have any trouble getting past some of the film’s coincidences or other iffy plot points. And while I know the look of the film was at least partly constrained by budget issues,I just hope it gets a little more love in the next one.

102. garen - November 16, 2009

Pine’s version of the “Space…” speech is pretty poor. When i heard it on the gag real i never thought for one second they were considering using it for the actual film. Pine’s version, as heard on the gag reel…is boring and lacks drama. His voice just isn’t grand or epic enough to make that speech sound correct.

103. John from Cincinnati - November 16, 2009

The Lord of the Rings extended editions are the best versions of those movies IMO. Until the Star Trek DVD comes out and I see all the deleted scenes I can’t comment, but JJ those scenes were filmed for a reason too were they not?

The fans should be given the option which version they would like to watch.

104. Dresden - November 16, 2009

http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/19332/1/REVIEW-STAR-TREK-DEVIN039S-TAKE/Page1.html

“Also hurting Nero is the decision to cut a key sequence from the movie. As the film stands now, Nero appears 25 years before the film’s present and kills Kirk’s father. It then skips ahead 25 years where Nero comes out of nowhere in an attempt to kill Spock from the future, who is also time traveling by accident. Audiences have to wonder ‘What the **** has Nero been doing for the last quarter of a century? Just sitting around?’ It turns out he was captured by Klingons and held on their prison planet; test audiences didn’t like the scenes about the Klingons so Abrams cut them, turning a villain who was already weak into a villain who is also lazy and stupid. It’s a shockingly bad decision, and I think indicative of the problems with the test screening process.”

105. devon - November 16, 2009

I think the casting was the saving grace of this movie, these actors were perfect in their roles. I wish too that we could see them in weekly TV adventures rather than wait years to see them on the bigscreen, so I hope they don’t wait too long between movies because it will limit our adventures with newKirk & crew. And these actors are already being utilized fully based on their talents and may not commit to Trek longterm. And I hate recasting once I get used to someone playing the role! So I hope we have many adventures with this great new crew about our favorite old crew! I can allow for a 3 year gap for the next movie so it is not rushed and hopefully will ensure success for the franchise, but after that there is no reason to not have a new film every 2nd year.

106. Cafe 5 - November 16, 2009

I fell in love with Giacchino’s music when he did videogame scores like Secret Weapons Over Normandy, The Lost World ,and the score for the movie The Incredibles. His score for Star Trek works within the confines of the movie. It does not function as a stand alone piece. The score was reined in at J.J’.s request and made the film less epic. I can only hope that for the next film J.J. lets him go all out.

107. I, Mugsy - November 16, 2009

I think this one film every couple (or even 3) years will ensure this crew do not get a chance to really stick together for many voyages. They’re all getting older between films, and it will screw with the continuity after a certain point – their 5 year mission can probably stretch to 4 films at the most considering how long it takes to churn one of these things out and all the post production etc etc.

Agreed with the other posters – the pieces are now all in place for what COULD be a superb TV series. But lets not run Star Trek into the ground again by running out of ideas too soon through having to churn out episodes weekly; perhaps a series of TV movies so they can spend more time on some superb stories, and getting time to do some FX justice to the move that preceeded it. There’s so many back back stories that could be told about the other characters which was never explored before, not to mention an infinite number of strange new worlds and new civilisations.

I anjoyed the film, but even after two more viewings it still doesn’t feel like Star Trek to me at all, and that’s due to the story I think. They need to really slow down and take time to flesh these characters out more and spend plenty of time researching genuinely new and fresh stories to tell. Trek was ultimately yet a(nother) revenge story. No exploration or anything – fare enough it had to put the pieces into place first. Now they’re there lets get Star Trek back were it has always really belonged – on the TV (in HD of course ;))

I still want to see a TV movie ‘off shoot’ about Spock Prime’s attempts to get back to his universe, and in the process bump into a Captain of the Enterprise long thought dead for one last TV voyage together…

Come on Paraount – you have the ‘now or never’ chance to rectify Kirk’s death, not to mention having Kirk and Spock back together again where they started (TV). Its….. perfect! And it would be a smash hit too as the film has been so popular. It could also seague into a new TV series featuring the new crew. So many possibilities.

Let’s see what’s out there ;)

108. Brian Kirsch - November 16, 2009

65 – To be clear, I loved the film as I saw it in the theater, several times. Also, to be clear, I have not seen any of the deleted scenes. But it may have been nice to see Spock’s birth open the movie, then the Kelvin scenes, then into the opening credits. We get to see the birth of the two main characters and the drama of the Kelvin. Sets up the whole movie.

13, 15 – I think you missed the point. We haven’t seen that real friendship because it hasn’t developed yet. What we see at the end of the film is the beginning of mutual understanding, mutual respect, the beginnings of a relationship. The rest will be developed in the next film or two, hopefully.

94 – I disagree with your view of Uhura. I saw a headstrong, confident, talented officer. I hope her show of emotions didn’t sway your opinion, as I never saw her as “clingy”.

109. Dr Daystrom - November 16, 2009

Hate to sound like a broken DVD, but what about the trailers: are they on any of the DVDs or not????

110. JohnD - November 16, 2009

I just hope JJ isnt just sqeezing whatever life is left in the franchise for his benefit.

Get new writers, please please please! Let them do transformers and all that other stuff they are qualified to do.

111. Dom - November 16, 2009

If anything, putting Leonard Nimoy in the film seemed ‘safe’ in the long run. The new cast was so good that each actor sold me on their character. Even though I was in favour of getting Shatner into ST09, I’m not bothered about him appearing now. Chris Pine is now Kirk, as far as I’m concerned and there’s simply no need to feature any of the old cast in any subsequent films.

Criticisms of the actors’ voices: they’re all a bit younger and brasher at this stage. By the time the next film appears, they may well be older and more experienced and sound more ‘grown up’.

As for one or two of JJ’s criticisms: Nero wanted Spock Prime to suffer, so he dumped him in a cave near a Starfleet outpost so he could survive and witness the end of Vulcan. Kirk was dumped off-ship near a Starfleet outpost so he could survive, so there was a good chance he’d run across Spock Prime on the way there.

Far more contrived was that Scotty happened to be living on the outpost and had the necessary transporter equipment to beam Kirk and Scotty on to the Enterprise. A shame the ‘healing timeline’ line wasn’t used.

Having seen the Rura Penthe scenes, I think they possibly should have stayed. They added a good deal of background to Nero, explained the 25-year gap and giving us a neat glimpse at the JJ-verse Klingons. At about two minutes long, I don’t think they would have damaged the flow of the film that badly.

I like the music in the film, but think Michael Giacchino will be able to cut loose more in the next film. This score seemed a tad restrained, especially after the promise shown by the music in the trailers and I wasn’t wild about the Alexander Courage music at the end. The score most often reminded me of Star Trek III.

All round, I loved watching the Blu-ray this evening and am very grateful to JJ, Orci, Kurtzman et al for bringing me back to Star Trek.

112. Tchessi - November 17, 2009

Getting the DVDs today. I would agree with Mr. Abrams that Nero (or at least his motivations) were a bit undeveloped. But I guess my main gripe with the movie was actually (I’m sure I’m in the minority with this) Nimoy’s portrayal of Spock of all things! I understand that he was trying to show Spock as more comfortable in his own skin and played him closer to Mr. Nimoy himself. But Spock’s dialog in places came off too colloquial for my tastes.

Lines like “Do yourself a favor…” didn’t work for me coming out of Spock’s mouth. Seems that Quinto’s lines were more like the Spock I wanted to hear.

I love Leonard Nimoy but oddly his Spock was the weakest thing in the movie for me… I was surprised.

113. Dom - November 17, 2009

112. Tchessi

I suspect that’s partly because the casting of the ‘MkII’ characters was so strong that Leonard Nimoy really didn’t need to be in the film. I know it helped sell the film to the doubtful fans prior to release, but as it turned out, everyone was good enough in their roles that we didn’t need a former cast member to convince us after all!

114. Son of a Maui Portagee - November 17, 2009

#82. ahdam queried “You don’t seriously think Paramount will not put out a director’s cut in the future?”

I would lean towards taking the man at his word.

What I expect is that when the time comes to air it on public commercial TV for U.S. audiences that it is going to get edited – with him or without him. That’s when we are likely to see attempts to fill in the gaps with it likely turning into an “extended” version that Paramount will indeed market on home video later.

115. Shunnabunich - November 17, 2009

@111: Keep in mind that the music in the trailers was done by an outside company that exists just to make trailer music, so it wasn’t indicative of the actual score. In fact, I remember visiting the movie’s website at one point during the lead-up to the movie’s release, hearing what I later discovered was the film’s main motif in the background, and thinking, “holy crap, they really picked the wrong bit of trailer clip-art music for this update…can’t wait until they fix it.” Other bits, like Enterprising Young Man (which I first heard here on TrekMovie), kinda made me cringe, but then I saw them in the context of their scenes and my whole understanding (and opinion) of them changed.

116. Lord Ravenwood - November 18, 2009

Abrams criticizes himself because he now realizes, he didn’t have a clue as to what he was doing!

This movie stinks to high hell!

Star Trek: 1966-2009

RIP

117. MJPENG - November 18, 2009

101. TonyD – November 16, 2009 …….Well said

Just watched it again on bluray and the engineering sets look awful. What were they thinking about, for me it spoils the whole film. I would feel better about the next movie if Abrams would recognise this but there is no mention of it in the interview.

118. Trek Nerd Central - November 18, 2009

116. Alack, Lord Ravenwood, but methinks thee is a troll. . .

119. Trek Nerd Central - November 18, 2009

Also, I don’t know about anyone else, but I would *love* to hear Pine delivering the classic intro in the sequel — split infinitive included. We’ve now had two Trek movies in which Spock closes out with “Space, the final frontier.” How cool it would be to hear that introduction where it belongs: at the beginning, voiced by Kirk.

120. Magicdan - November 18, 2009

Lord Ravenwood:
Your mom said you have to get off the computer and go do your homework.

This is just so you know how good a movie this is from my point of view. Note how I use examples instead of just downing or praising the movie.

My wife absolutely hates Star Trek and everything about it.

She hates most Sci-fi really. Mostly because I am a nut about it.

She was hooked on this movie from the opening scenes. She actually was startled twice, laughed at all the funny parts, and ended up saying it was a really good movie.

I have forced her to watch all the Star Trek movies over the years of course, and this is the very first time she has enjoyed it at all. At the end she even said “Hey, I want to be captain of a starship!”.

I liked it, but I liked all the movies.

I would have to say JJ and his team did an awesome job, they pulled off what I thought was impossible. Making Star Trek accessible to all people again, like it should be.

And I have no doubts that the next one will have all the same elements and be even better than the first, no matter who’s in it.

Obviously Abrams has a clue. Now go finish your homework.

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