Comments on: Rumor Control: Nestor Carbonell NOT Being Eyed For Khan In Star Trek Sequel

By: johnno

johnno — Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:59:20 +0000

Spock Prime mind melded with Kirk in the latest movie. Thus Kirk may have memories of what Khan did in the original timeline. This in turn means that if they encounter Khan in a new timeline Kirk might be able to avert the forthcoming battle of wits. Also Spock Prime could be feeding information to Spock somehow whether via telepathy or other means. The possibilities are numerous now. Whether Nimoy appears in the next movie is irrelevant. Spock Prime and Spock may be communicating. The question could be whether it is detrimental to the new alternate Universe. Should he try to repair the damage? If he tried then how could he avert it? He’d have to go to the point where Nero arrived and take him on at the arrival point. Travelling to the future in his own timeline would not serve any purpose. When you think about it, it’s happened before when Janeway went back to change the past in getting Voyage home many years earlier. We don’t know the implications of that. So I think the story of changing what happened at the start when the Kelvin got attacked cannot be done. They’ll have to play the hand they’ve been dealt from here on in. Thus I think moving the story forward into Khan territory in the next film or the third is a good idea because as someone said before, he is to Kirk what Joker is to Batman. The Borg would be unbeatable, the Klingons and Romulans are predictable in many ways but an encounter with the Botany Bay is a good starting point. I like the idea of a twist when they encounter Khan and his people. Perhaps MacGyver didn’t make it on to this Enterprise and Uhura is the one he pursues. She’s with Spock, Khan nicks her from Spock and a different story unfolds coupling it with Khan trying to pinch the Enterprise. Maybe in this story he actually does meet Checkov so there’s a little sub-plot there too with a bit of comic relief around the fact that they never originally met in Space Seed. Space Seed was a one dimensional story with deep characters that led to a sequel giving the story more layers in TWOK. But that happened 15 years later. Another difference now would be that Kirk is only in his mid 20s and in Space Seed he was in his mid 30s. He wouldn’t have the experience to deal with an adversary such as Khan. Strangely Kirk went from Cadet to First Officer to Captain. Spock is a Lieutenant Commander so will have a bit more seasoning. Khan will probably see him more as his equal so may find it easier to lull Kirk into a false sense of security and beat him. Thus the film would focus on how Kirk can get to the climax of Space Seed from an even more disadvantaged position that the original one in Space Seed. If Uhura has fallen for Khan’s advances then there is the other dynamic where Spock’s emotions will surface again. Also, will Sulu, Scotty, Checkov et al be peripheral? I think they’d need good solid roles in this one. Also Space Seed was static in that it was aboard the Enterprise for the most part. It would have to fast moving with deep character development like TWOK but not a clone of that film. Khan’s purpose is to rule as he has no thoughts of vengeance presently. He believes he is more advanced than other humans. There simply has to be another angle if he is to appear in a new Star Trek movie. What is that angle and how can JJ Abrams make it exciting and different? If I knew the answer to that I’d be a screenwriter.

By: boxker

boxker — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:36:15 +0000

I would love to See Richard as Khan. You can have the Character without redoing Star Trek II. You could do it without redoing Space Seed. Although I would like to point out that the movie public outside of Star Trek fans aren’t likely aware of Space Seed. Supes has Lex, Sherlock has Moriarty, why can’t Kirk/Spock have Khan.

By: Dave O.

Dave O. — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:58:25 +0000

Please don’t. ST2 was an excellant movie, don’t fall into the Hollywood trap of re-doing everything. There are literally hundreds of fan written novels out there as well as TOS writers that have stories that never made it onto a script. Please, I beg you Mr. Abrams don’t do it.

By: The Matrix Cowboy

The Matrix Cowboy — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:09:17 +0000

Old spock has hitched a ride for him and a group of vulcan refugees to the new colininy for the vulcans. The captain finds the Botony bay and no matter what Spock does, things go from bad to worse. Possibly nest this as a substory for khan in a later movie. Or make it THE movie.

By: Son of a Maui Portagee

Son of a Maui Portagee — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:11:10 +0000

As for people saying Ellison wouldn’t be interested in working with Abrams:

http://harlanellison.com/heboard/unca.htm?beg=69&num=25

It looks like he most definitely IS interested.

By: Son of a Maui Portagee

Son of a Maui Portagee — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:15:54 +0000

#178.

That was my whole point as to which course was best with respect to risk based on Spock Prime’s experiences.

However, they’ve finally released the stuff written for Kirk Prime. It powerfully explains what Spock Prime’s motivation is: to repay the resurrection. And that has three meanings that I think all apply but I suspect the most important is: Kirk Prime risked everything for his friend’s resurrection and Spock Prime could do no less having accidentally resurrected Kirk here.

This would seem to mean that Spock Prime is committed to seeing this Kirk live long and prosper even beyond the years of Kirk Prime for this decision to have any logic. That would seem to be a lifelong commitment for Spock Prime’s remaining years?

By: somethoughts

somethoughts — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:00:00 +0000

Also keep in mind, if it weren’t for Spock Prime and his red matter solution/ejecting into the Super Nova, which created the blackhole, Nero would be a angry Romulan in the post Nemesis TNG timeline and not wrecking havoc in the past. Spock Prime knows he failed at saving Romulus and also opened a doorway to the past, which allowed Nero to destroy Vulcan in the past/alternate reality. Spock Prime chooses to help as much as he can to fix this reality versus trying to undo everything for now.

It is a risk, can the crumpled paper be uncrumpled or would the paper simply be worst off if he attempted to uncrease the paper.

By: somethoughts

somethoughts — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:52:17 +0000

#176

I think if the purpose was not to observe a new reality for the 2009 audience, Spock Prime would most likely go back in time and alert Romulus of the impending danger.

What if the entropy of the planet is so absolute that no matter what Spock Prime does the Planet dies? Sorta like the Time Travelers wife in the Time Machine.

By: Son of a Maui Portagee

Son of a Maui Portagee — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:26:02 +0000

#175.

By “illogically cleaning up the mess”, I mean doing it specifically for the illogical reason of feeling responsible when the destruction of Vulcan is absolutely and solely the responsibility of Nero. Obviously, any Vulcan could find a number of “logical” reasons to assist those in need. But spilled milk? This is not his. His spill is back in universe Prime.

By: Son of a Maui Portagee

Son of a Maui Portagee — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:54:39 +0000

151. somethoughts observed “You open a door to a room and as you open the door you spill some milk onto the floor, the glass is broken. Do you leave and not clean up the glass and milk or do you get a towel and help pick up the pieces?”

Precisely. Which is why his imperative is to get back to the Prime universe and clean up the mess of Romulus that his miscalculations may in someway be responsible in that his solution (his choice) failed to avert the disaster he himself predicted – not waste time illogically cleaning up the mess created by Nero. Spock Prime may be emotionally compromised but I doubt he’s so compromised that he illogically believes he’s responsible for the actions of and choices of others. Nero’s actions are Nero’s own.