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	<title>Comments on: FanMade: Review of Star Trek Phase II &#8220;Blood and Fire&#8221; Part 2 [UPDATE: More D/L Links]</title>
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		<title>By: theTruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>theTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This review is opposite of reality.  The relationship subplot dominated the episode.</description>
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		<title>By: Edward W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found out about Star Trek Phase II through YouTube, and boy, I owe them one for THAT! 

I LOVE the Phase II series, Everyone does a great job.

I think James Cawley makes a fantastic Kirk. You get the mannerisms down, the twinges of humor, the super seriousness, it&#039;s all just perfect. 

I really like Blood and Fire both parts. The new spok is good, but I like all the &quot;Spocks&quot;, they have been very good. 

This is a great series. And one thing I have to disagree with other commenters though. I love the sound tracks. I just sit here in front of my computer speakers and say , :&quot;WOW&quot;. 

From what I have been able to gather, James Cawley is the driving force behind Phase II. Thank you, Mr. Cawley, and all your &quot;crew&quot; for this wonderful continuation of the original series. I cannot imagine how difficult it is, and you pull it off better than the original series.

Live long and prosper and make more episodes!

Many thanks for the fun rides on the Enterprise Phase II!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found out about Star Trek Phase II through YouTube, and boy, I owe them one for THAT! </p>
<p>I LOVE the Phase II series, Everyone does a great job.</p>
<p>I think James Cawley makes a fantastic Kirk. You get the mannerisms down, the twinges of humor, the super seriousness, it&#8217;s all just perfect. </p>
<p>I really like Blood and Fire both parts. The new spok is good, but I like all the &#8220;Spocks&#8221;, they have been very good. </p>
<p>This is a great series. And one thing I have to disagree with other commenters though. I love the sound tracks. I just sit here in front of my computer speakers and say , :&#8221;WOW&#8221;. </p>
<p>From what I have been able to gather, James Cawley is the driving force behind Phase II. Thank you, Mr. Cawley, and all your &#8220;crew&#8221; for this wonderful continuation of the original series. I cannot imagine how difficult it is, and you pull it off better than the original series.</p>
<p>Live long and prosper and make more episodes!</p>
<p>Many thanks for the fun rides on the Enterprise Phase II!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Star Trek fan productions and all things Trek.  I think that everyone who is involved in this endeavor is a dedicated Trekkie and that each of them is doing their best to bring out what Trek means to them.

Trek has always been about building bridges.  Peace through strength.  Compassion, and above all, a vision of what Man could achieve if we have the will, the passion, and the tenacity to see beyond our own limitations.

Now all that said, I feel that the whole homosexual issue that I have seen emerging in the fan films - seems forced, for want of a better word.  I feel like I am being confronted with something that I do not want to see on TV.  I don&#039;t like most of what I see on TV in general - way too much sex and just plain smutt.  This does not lift people up - it is demeaning.  It is not good Trek.

Now since you all no doubt think I am a homo-phoebe - let me just say that I am a bi man.  I do not think that anyone should force their sexuality on anyone but I feel that Hollywood and the entertainment media complex has gotten out of step with the general audience.  The community is not served by this the way it is being pushed.

Disney can&#039;t do a film anymore without someone farting!  Or suggestions of homosexuality, Is that really necessary?  What does is prove?  That we can all be juvenile?  It certainly drives a lot of people away.

So back to Trek, blood and fire etc.  I think there is a place for the whole realm of sexuality in Trek, both hetero - and homo, there were a number of episodes in TNG, and DS9 that dealt with some of these issues.  But Blood and Fire was not made into a TNG episode - for a reason..I think that the script was just too in your face, and that the desire of people in the homosexual community to push their lifestyle in the face of everyone is ultimately destructive to their cause.

James Crawley and everyone involved went way out on a limb to do something they felt was noble - and that is laudable.  It is just too bad that the way it comes off has the effect even on me as a bisexual man of making me feel uncomfortable.  

In my opinion, the episode simply does not reach the people it needs to reach the most.  It&#039;s just too in your face to achieve that.  It&#039;s a shame.

Trek is really about building bridges - if the fan films are to truly continue in that great cause - then they must do it effectively - in such a way as to be able to win people over.

I can forgive the stiff acting.  I can overlook the imperfections in production value, as compared to the original.  The new special effects more than make up for the flaws.   

But I just ask one think - please please please - make good TREK!

If you cannot make it good - then don&#039;t bother.

&quot;The Great Bird of the Galaxy&quot; was able to socially change an entire generation - in good taste and was able to bind an entire generation together for a better world.

That is the charge and the standard that all of us should strive for as we make more Trek for the next generation.

Oh and I don&#039;t think JJ&#039;s version of Kirk as a sex crazed youth trying to see Uhura naked was a good idea either.  Kirk is supposed to be a hero, someone to look up to.  Not a prurient out of control youth with no class.

I have an 8 year old who is a new trekkie - she is growing up with the remastered TOS episodes.  I cannot take her to see the new trek film because it destroys the noble image of kirk with smut.  I find it very frustrating that people produce Trek that is beneath the dignity with which Roddenberry imbued everything he did.

How good is anything that you have to rationalize as being ok to show your kids?

Ultimately it is all about respect.. You have to give it to get it.  That&#039;s the essence of Star Trek.

Shatner&#039;s Kirk got that...and I want to see more of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Star Trek fan productions and all things Trek.  I think that everyone who is involved in this endeavor is a dedicated Trekkie and that each of them is doing their best to bring out what Trek means to them.</p>
<p>Trek has always been about building bridges.  Peace through strength.  Compassion, and above all, a vision of what Man could achieve if we have the will, the passion, and the tenacity to see beyond our own limitations.</p>
<p>Now all that said, I feel that the whole homosexual issue that I have seen emerging in the fan films &#8211; seems forced, for want of a better word.  I feel like I am being confronted with something that I do not want to see on TV.  I don&#8217;t like most of what I see on TV in general &#8211; way too much sex and just plain smutt.  This does not lift people up &#8211; it is demeaning.  It is not good Trek.</p>
<p>Now since you all no doubt think I am a homo-phoebe &#8211; let me just say that I am a bi man.  I do not think that anyone should force their sexuality on anyone but I feel that Hollywood and the entertainment media complex has gotten out of step with the general audience.  The community is not served by this the way it is being pushed.</p>
<p>Disney can&#8217;t do a film anymore without someone farting!  Or suggestions of homosexuality, Is that really necessary?  What does is prove?  That we can all be juvenile?  It certainly drives a lot of people away.</p>
<p>So back to Trek, blood and fire etc.  I think there is a place for the whole realm of sexuality in Trek, both hetero &#8211; and homo, there were a number of episodes in TNG, and DS9 that dealt with some of these issues.  But Blood and Fire was not made into a TNG episode &#8211; for a reason..I think that the script was just too in your face, and that the desire of people in the homosexual community to push their lifestyle in the face of everyone is ultimately destructive to their cause.</p>
<p>James Crawley and everyone involved went way out on a limb to do something they felt was noble &#8211; and that is laudable.  It is just too bad that the way it comes off has the effect even on me as a bisexual man of making me feel uncomfortable.  </p>
<p>In my opinion, the episode simply does not reach the people it needs to reach the most.  It&#8217;s just too in your face to achieve that.  It&#8217;s a shame.</p>
<p>Trek is really about building bridges &#8211; if the fan films are to truly continue in that great cause &#8211; then they must do it effectively &#8211; in such a way as to be able to win people over.</p>
<p>I can forgive the stiff acting.  I can overlook the imperfections in production value, as compared to the original.  The new special effects more than make up for the flaws.   </p>
<p>But I just ask one think &#8211; please please please &#8211; make good TREK!</p>
<p>If you cannot make it good &#8211; then don&#8217;t bother.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Great Bird of the Galaxy&#8221; was able to socially change an entire generation &#8211; in good taste and was able to bind an entire generation together for a better world.</p>
<p>That is the charge and the standard that all of us should strive for as we make more Trek for the next generation.</p>
<p>Oh and I don&#8217;t think JJ&#8217;s version of Kirk as a sex crazed youth trying to see Uhura naked was a good idea either.  Kirk is supposed to be a hero, someone to look up to.  Not a prurient out of control youth with no class.</p>
<p>I have an 8 year old who is a new trekkie &#8211; she is growing up with the remastered TOS episodes.  I cannot take her to see the new trek film because it destroys the noble image of kirk with smut.  I find it very frustrating that people produce Trek that is beneath the dignity with which Roddenberry imbued everything he did.</p>
<p>How good is anything that you have to rationalize as being ok to show your kids?</p>
<p>Ultimately it is all about respect.. You have to give it to get it.  That&#8217;s the essence of Star Trek.</p>
<p>Shatner&#8217;s Kirk got that&#8230;and I want to see more of it.</p>
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		<title>By: pyroboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>pyroboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>248
Do you have a respect to Your God or your Holy creator? If you do, then you would more than likely have a respect for other peoples faith in general.    No Flaming or bashing.  Just a question and observation on my part.</description>
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Do you have a respect to Your God or your Holy creator? If you do, then you would more than likely have a respect for other peoples faith in general.    No Flaming or bashing.  Just a question and observation on my part.</p>
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		<title>By: Kivel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kivel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does a fan series (which is not supposed to pay people) get &quot;professional&quot; actors and writers  that (although might not be first level.) are of a higher level than one expects in a fan series.

David Gerald has a known ego, that is unlikely to have him writing scripts for free, I would think this would be especially true when his words were then by James Crawley possily the worst peerson appearing in a FAN SERIES  he actually makes a sucking noise when he walks on set....

yet they pull in people from the original series and writers of Trek books

come on how are these people paid... you know they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does a fan series (which is not supposed to pay people) get &#8220;professional&#8221; actors and writers  that (although might not be first level.) are of a higher level than one expects in a fan series.</p>
<p>David Gerald has a known ego, that is unlikely to have him writing scripts for free, I would think this would be especially true when his words were then by James Crawley possily the worst peerson appearing in a FAN SERIES  he actually makes a sucking noise when he walks on set&#8230;.</p>
<p>yet they pull in people from the original series and writers of Trek books</p>
<p>come on how are these people paid&#8230; you know they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Gimme a Break Guys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gimme a Break Guys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trekmovie gave an award to an unfinished project?  That was promised to be done November 2009 and yet January 2010 is still not finished</description>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like Star Trek Phase II, have seen all the episodes. I love all Star Trek (the many series, the movies, the fan site), it was a remarkable vision that is as pertinent today as ever. In fact it would be nice if more sci fi followed the message in Trek.

I liked Blood and Fire and agree, it may have been a little slow paced at times, but, this group does such a fantastic job with these shows, and are such a delight to see, I can easily forgive some timing issues.

Hooray for James Crawley and his intrepid stage crew, all of them who work on these shows. They brought me some smiles! Many thanks to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like Star Trek Phase II, have seen all the episodes. I love all Star Trek (the many series, the movies, the fan site), it was a remarkable vision that is as pertinent today as ever. In fact it would be nice if more sci fi followed the message in Trek.</p>
<p>I liked Blood and Fire and agree, it may have been a little slow paced at times, but, this group does such a fantastic job with these shows, and are such a delight to see, I can easily forgive some timing issues.</p>
<p>Hooray for James Crawley and his intrepid stage crew, all of them who work on these shows. They brought me some smiles! Many thanks to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with VorpalK that the &quot;making out&quot; seemed out of place. It has nothing to do with the characters being gay. James Kirk and Yeoman Rand laying on top of one another would be equally out of place, that&#039;s simply not an extension of the 60s TOS that we know. 

Likewise all the cursing. (And even the line about bowel movement, for that matter.) 

It&#039;s not a matter of being prudish about these things, I&#039;ve certainly watched (and enjoyed) programs that are much more extreme in these respects. It just isn&#039;t Star Trek, and it&#039;s particularly obvious when so much loving detail is obviously shown toward wanting to maintain the look and feel of just what we might have seen if Star Trek hadn&#039;t been cancelled 40 years ago. These things break that illusion, they let you know, nope, we ain&#039;t in 1970 anymore.

Also, Star Trek has always avoided trendy language, to make it not-of-this-time. No one in TOS said &quot;Sock it to me&quot; which would have nailed the program to the 60s. Again, I was taken out of the illusion of the era by lines like the variation of &quot;thinking outside the box&quot; and &quot;how&#039;s that working for you.&quot; 

Yeah, everything was kinda slow, but I saw the explanation above. In fact, after about 10 minutes, I watched most of the rest of it sped up!

I also have to say that I didn&#039;t fully understand what was going on with the bloodworms. I &quot;rewound&quot; and watched Dr. Yar&#039;s explanation again, but the whole mechanism of what was happening never really solidified for me.

As for all the knocks on Mr. Cawley&#039;s acting... he&#039;s okay. I so appreciate what he&#039;s doing, he&#039;s entitled to getting the pleasure out of being king of the sandbox. If I could offer just a small bit of advice... enough with the nose wrinkling. ;-) The rest of the actors were a mixed bag... I thought this was generally a weaker cast than usual, apart from Yar and the klingon.

I think I&#039;ll stop there. Yeah, I was disappointed this time. Well, they can&#039;t all be World Enough and Time. Looking forward to the next one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with VorpalK that the &#8220;making out&#8221; seemed out of place. It has nothing to do with the characters being gay. James Kirk and Yeoman Rand laying on top of one another would be equally out of place, that&#8217;s simply not an extension of the 60s TOS that we know. </p>
<p>Likewise all the cursing. (And even the line about bowel movement, for that matter.) </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of being prudish about these things, I&#8217;ve certainly watched (and enjoyed) programs that are much more extreme in these respects. It just isn&#8217;t Star Trek, and it&#8217;s particularly obvious when so much loving detail is obviously shown toward wanting to maintain the look and feel of just what we might have seen if Star Trek hadn&#8217;t been cancelled 40 years ago. These things break that illusion, they let you know, nope, we ain&#8217;t in 1970 anymore.</p>
<p>Also, Star Trek has always avoided trendy language, to make it not-of-this-time. No one in TOS said &#8220;Sock it to me&#8221; which would have nailed the program to the 60s. Again, I was taken out of the illusion of the era by lines like the variation of &#8220;thinking outside the box&#8221; and &#8220;how&#8217;s that working for you.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yeah, everything was kinda slow, but I saw the explanation above. In fact, after about 10 minutes, I watched most of the rest of it sped up!</p>
<p>I also have to say that I didn&#8217;t fully understand what was going on with the bloodworms. I &#8220;rewound&#8221; and watched Dr. Yar&#8217;s explanation again, but the whole mechanism of what was happening never really solidified for me.</p>
<p>As for all the knocks on Mr. Cawley&#8217;s acting&#8230; he&#8217;s okay. I so appreciate what he&#8217;s doing, he&#8217;s entitled to getting the pleasure out of being king of the sandbox. If I could offer just a small bit of advice&#8230; enough with the nose wrinkling. ;-) The rest of the actors were a mixed bag&#8230; I thought this was generally a weaker cast than usual, apart from Yar and the klingon.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll stop there. Yeah, I was disappointed this time. Well, they can&#8217;t all be World Enough and Time. Looking forward to the next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Falvoant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Falvoant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Ill tell Charles</description>
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		<title>By: Patty W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>244: There are a lot of folks involved in the production who agree with your complaint about the blasphemy - especially TWICE. Once, you could claim it was to emphasize how angry/upset McCoy was. Twice... that argument, and the vulgarity, loses all impact.  You will not see the blasphemy error repeated in future episodes.

245: Sir, anyone who admits - brags, in fact - freely to breaking the second commandment daily needs to reevaluate calling themselves either Jewish OR Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>244: There are a lot of folks involved in the production who agree with your complaint about the blasphemy &#8211; especially TWICE. Once, you could claim it was to emphasize how angry/upset McCoy was. Twice&#8230; that argument, and the vulgarity, loses all impact.  You will not see the blasphemy error repeated in future episodes.</p>
<p>245: Sir, anyone who admits &#8211; brags, in fact &#8211; freely to breaking the second commandment daily needs to reevaluate calling themselves either Jewish OR Christian.</p>
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