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First Details On Novels Set In New Movie Universe + Star Trek Online Novel Tie-In Announced November 29, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Books,Star Trek (2009 film),Star Trek Online , trackback

Over the summer we provided a preview of Pocket Books plans for Star Trek books in 2010, which included four books for Summer 2010 set in the alternative timeline of JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. We now have the first (brief) details on those four books, plus the announcement of a novel tied to the Star Trek Online game coming in early 2010.

 

The Summer of the JJ-verse
In our earlier preview (and at the Pocket Books announcement at the Shore Leave Convention) in July, we only knew there would be four books and only had titles and authors for three of them. Now Amazon is listing brief summaries for each, including a title and author for the fourth book. (click links to pre-order)

"Star Trek: Refugees" by Alan Dean Foster (May 25, 2010)

Captain Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise must decide if a group of refugees are a menace or misunderstood.

"Star Trek: Seek a Newer World" by Christopher Bennett (June 29, 2010)

Enterprise under attack escapes and discovers an entire civilization also hiding as is the ship. Kirk decides to find out what are they hiding from.

"Star Trek: More Beautiful Than Death" by David Mack (July 27, 2010)

Kirk leads a mission to Akiron, a dilithium rich world. Aboard is Spock’s father, Ambassador Sarek, who is hoping to broker a Federation trade agreement.

"Star Trek: The Hazard of Concealing" by Greg Cox (August 31, 2010)

When the elder Spock surfaces from the future, will he be able to escape a sinister plan wrought by the enemies of the Federation, or will their quest to exploit Spock’s knowledge succeed, with disastrous consequences?

These four books will be the first stories set in the new Star Trek universe, after the events of the 2009 Star Trek film. Although IDW have already done two comics tied to the film ("Countdown" and "Nero") and plan an adaptation, they have not yet announced any plans to do any ‘sequel’ comics. However, the Pocket Books Star Trek ‘sequels’ are being done under strict rules. These books will be stand-alone episode-like stories. The four books will not tie-in to each other and no changes will be made to the characters. There will also not be any ‘retconning’ to events during the film itself. 

When more info (and covers) are available, TrekMovie will do another update on these first Star Trek alternative movie universe stories.

For Pocket books, the only title they have related to the movie so far is the adaptation, by Alan Dean Foster, available in multiple formats:

 
 

New Star Trek Online book
There is also one additional book now being listed at Amazon. There isn’t any info beyond the title "Star Trek Online: The Needs of the Many" except it is being written by Michael S. Martin and it is a mass market paperback of 320 pages. Over the last year, Crytpic has been using the official site to build a back-story for the upcoming Star Trek Online game, which fills the gap in time between Star Trek Nemesis and the setting for the game, the year 2409 and a war between the Federation and the Klingons. You can read those ‘yearly histories’ at startrekonline.com/fiction.

When more info on this book is available, we will provide an update.

 

Comments

1. nerdinpink - November 29, 2009

Huh, am I really first? Well, maybe I’m the only one here besides you this early.

This sounds awesome. I can’t wait. I hope they show up at my library.

2. SupremeDalekOnTheBridge - November 29, 2009

*sighs heavily*

Why do they have to bring back Spock? Can the not just leave him be in his own corner of this reality?

And to be honest, the other three books don’t really set my heart racing.

Ditto the ST: O novel.

3. AJ - November 29, 2009

It’s back to the old days of the TOS novel. Introduce new characters, give them arcs, kill ‘em off, don’t touch the principals and let everything end up the way it started. Ironically, some of the best TOS classic novels were produced with similar restrictions.

I would like to see the completed compendiums of the existing series and a “final” Encyclopedia and Timeline for the ‘old’ timeline. Today, with the web, they may be redundant, but man, are they fun to read.

4. thebiggfrogg - November 29, 2009

By any other name: Isn’t the novel “More Beautiful Than Death” basically TOS “Journey to Babel” and half as sweet?

Why retread in this vast new universe? I haven’t really read any Trek novels for eons, but I hope they continue the arc from the movie and develop the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship instead of taking it as a given. Kirk and Spock especially have a long way to go to become the characters we know and love from TOS.

5. Mike - November 29, 2009

Well, i only buy Star Trek books, so i guss i am not going to buy thouse Trek Wars books. Ive seen this caming, the real Star Trek books are going to be subtitude by this Trek Wars books… just to said that this year we only have one (1) TNG book.. yes, just ONE!

6. Mike - November 29, 2009

thebiggfrogg, the JJ Kirk and Spock are not the Spock and Kirk we knew!! They didnt save earth from the alien prob, they didnt kill the planet killer, and probably they never will. If you want to knew about OUR Kirk and Spock, i recomend you to buy the Star Trek DVDs, if you are a child and dont like the effect, there are a Remaster TOS that you can buy.
Face it, we knew all we have to knew about ours Kirk and Spock, the JJTrek thing are not our Kirk and Spock.

7. Mitch - November 29, 2009

Well, whether Kirk and crew are there in the JJverse, the probe is coming. If Kirk isn’t there, Earth is screwed.

As for these novels, the only one that has any interest at all is the one that involves Spock Prime. Other than that, no interest.

8. Shadowcat - November 29, 2009

I am looking forward to reading the upcoming novels featuring the new crew. I like the fact that these novels are stand-alones like the old TOS novelisations. I plan to pre-order them from Amazon.

9. Steve Roby - November 29, 2009

It’ll be interesting to see how these novels turn out. It’s been a long time since we’ve had Trek novels that might be contradicted by the next bit of filmed Trek, so chances are there won’t be any significant character development or changes to what we know of the Abrams version of the Star Trek universe. I’m also curious about is how well the writers will be able to capture the feel of the new movie and the new cast, so the books don’t feel like they could as easily have been published with Shatner and Nimoy’s faces on the cover.

Meanwhile, there’ll be some interesting books for old school TOS fans, too, including a Saavik novel and one featuring Leila Kalomi and Carol Marcus.

10. Dave B - November 29, 2009

#7 – Kirk & Co. Saved Earth from the probe in the “original timeline. The probe is still coming in the new timeline, but there’s nothing to say somebody else couldn’t stop it instead. There’s no need to retread that plot with the crew of the Enterprise — hell, the probe could have encountered the Nerada during the missing 25 years, and been destroyed as target practice.

11. Mitch - November 29, 2009

To say “someone else could have done it” ignores the fact that on a planet where the HQ of the Federation is, and some of the most brilliant minds in the universe were, NO ONE figured it out.

Kirk and crew were not a dime a dozen crew like say, Archer’s or Janeway’s crew. They were the best and brightest. They were humanity at its finest. And they happened to be in the right place at the right time.

Many things will happen identical as in the prime universe. That doesn’t mean they need to do remakes of stories, but it doesn’t diminish the accomplishments of prime Kirk and crew either.

12. nuSpock - November 29, 2009

Ummm the probe, although still coming, may not even be relevant anymore; I read a recent report saying they might take humpback whales off the endangered species list… Which means they might still be around in the JJverse 23rd Century, which would make The Voyage Home unneccessary… The probe would come, talk to the whales, and leave…

13. HotStove - November 29, 2009

I have read tons of Trek over the years, from the James Blish novels, to DC Comics, and now the current Typhon Pact TNG series. So, am I just being curmudgeonly when I think that I will be disappointed in Foster’s novelization? I haven’t read it yet, mainly because I have a sinking feeling I will be let down.

Will someone clue me in? Thanks.

14. DC - November 29, 2009

But…hasn’t Kirk & Co. Prime already exist in the 80s from when they went back there to get the whales? Because that event already happened? But, now, theres no Kirk and Crew that go back….is there? So, what becomes of George and Gracie?

15. VOODOO - November 29, 2009

#2 *sighs heavily*

quote “Why do they have to bring back Spock? Can the not just leave him be in his own corner of this reality?

I don’t get this minority attitude about Spock Prime. Why wouldn’t you want Nimoy’s version of Spock involved? I want that version of Spock included as much as possible.

16. Mike - November 29, 2009

¿and who said that the Earth its going to be save from the probe? For all we knew, the Cadet Kirk screw it and started a war with the Romulans that destroy the earth long before the proble visit the planet.
JJ Kirk its not our Kirk, he does not have the expirience of Kirk, and he lives a complet diferent life from our Kirk. The only thing in comun its the genetics, and that dont make two ppl the same. Kirk Prime and JJ Kirk are not the same person.
And remember, Vulcan its gone, so IF history repeat and Spock get kill, he its just gone, there is no Seleya monastery to transfers his Katra, so Kirk and cia could not save earth from the probe.

Sorry for bad ealish, its not mi original lenguage.

17. Gary Evans - November 29, 2009

Anthony,

Nice to see you adding so much more coverage to Trekmovie. You are providing an easily accessible source of good news and information.

Wishing you continued success and growth!

Ever think of carrying stories about Trek in nonUS countries and cultures? I think it would bring new readers. There are some serious Trekkers, in significant numbers, in Great Britain, Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy, Scandinavia, and elsewhere around the globe.

Remember,nearly one-third of ST: XI movie box office gross was from nonUS fans!
Gary Evans

18. Henry Blake's Plane - November 29, 2009

@ 15,

“Why wouldn’t you want Nimoy’s version of Spock involved? I want that version of Spock included as much as possible.”

Because we have had his story and his death and his rebirth and his story again. Whether or not you liked the new movie with the redone characters, it is time to tell their story, not Original Spock’s.

@ 13.

Yes it is some what of a let down due to it being based on the original script before the film edits. That being said, if you want to see what the movie would have been with the deleted scenes in it, the book is good.

19. VorpalK - November 29, 2009

#13 Foster’s novelizations of ST: The Animated Series were some of the best Trek books available in the early days. I’m going to pick up his novelization of the movie eventually. I still have a stack of books acquired over the last few years that I have yet to finish though.

20. Dom - November 29, 2009

15. VOODOO

Yeah, books are the obvious place to continue his adventures. I still reckon Spock Prime will have to disclose what he knows to somebody. I mean, if there was a way to stop Vejur early and save the staff on Epsilon and the Klingon ships, save the crews of the Constellation and the Exeter, quell the Whalesong Probe and prevent Khan running riot, who wouldn’t give that information over? Also, the Hobus Star would need urgent study!

3. AJ: ‘It’s back to the old days of the TOS novel. Introduce new characters, give them arcs, kill ‘em off, don’t touch the principals and let everything end up the way it started.’

Kind of looking forward to that! I can’t keep up with all these modern series of books that cross over the generations! For a start, they have to assume that people care about all of the generations equally. In my case, I’m only really bothered with the new and original Kirks, Spocks and McCoys!

21. The Guardian - November 29, 2009

Hopefully, the JJ-verse will collapse upon it’s self and his whole “alternare universe” will cease to exist!
That’s the BEST thing that could happen to this upside down, retarded kiddie crap-fest!

22. The Guardian - November 29, 2009

“alternate.”

23. Mike - November 29, 2009

#21, yes, thats all i hope..

24. ChristopherPike - November 29, 2009

21. Just curious… How would you have felt if Star Trek 2009 had just not explained the differences? Not spent a second explaining the different look of the ship or the sets, or the cast? Pretended that’s the way it always was?

25. Mitch - November 29, 2009

14–If Kirk and crew’s history is altered to the point where it doesn’t travel back to the 1980s and grab George and Gracie, then how could they be in the 1980s? Ultimately, if Post-Nero Kirk and crew don’t make that trip when the probe comes, George and Gracie will be hunted by whale hunters, and will die before Kirk and crew save them. Earth will be doomed.

OR, events somehow lead post-Nero Kirk to the same place and they take care of it.

Hey–if Vulcan could be destroyed, so could Earth.

Either way, in the 1980s, Kirk Prime isn’t there.

26. MC1 Doug - November 29, 2009

#21, 23: your positveness (if there is such a word) is overwhelming.

27. jas_montreal - November 29, 2009

May the alternate stories begin !

Maybe a alternate TNG set of stores, set after 150 years after the JJ TOS ?

28. Nivenus - November 29, 2009

26. I believe the word you’re looking for is optimism or positivity.

29. Capt. of the USS Anduril - November 29, 2009

#26 I believe a better phrase would be, “Your open-mindedness and willingness to accept new ideas is overwhelming.”

30. sean - November 29, 2009

#25

Who says the Probe will even make it to Earth in the new timeline? Maybe the Federation will clone humpback whales with some of that advanced tech they gleaned from those scans of Nero’s ship. It’s completely up in the air. But I’d just as soon they not revisit old stories, unless they find a new and interesting way to spin it.

31. The A-man - November 29, 2009

The only way we’ll know this is set in the JJ-verse is if the author also writes about the lens flares in every paragraph.

32. captain_neill - November 29, 2009

well at least the prime universe novels will still be continuing along side these new universe ones.

In these new universe the one thing I think should be dealt with would be jealousy amongst Starfleet officers who are probabley angry at how unrealisticly Kirk was promoted from Cadet to Captain. To me it makes sense to explore this in the new universe.

But I am happy that both universes will continue in novel form

33. Michelle - November 29, 2009

I don’t understand the bitterness some people have for this new alternate version of Star Trek created by J.J. Abrams. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. You can continue to enjoy your TOS movies and DVDs and pretend it never happened. It seems rather petty to hope that future stories and movies set in this alternate setting fail just because you dislike it.

I enjoyed the movie a lot, but I’m not really a fan of the Star Trek novels in general. I’ll probably check out the one about Spock Prime though, since I’d love to read about what happens to him as it’s doubtful the next movie will give us closure about that. I’m also eager to learn about how Vulcans settle on the new colony and rebuild their culture, and I hope some books will touch on that too.

34. Joshed - November 29, 2009

sounds good

35. That One Guy - November 29, 2009

I’ve been reading a lot of the Post-NEM books, which are absolutely phenomenal. For once, Trek actually has a grande story arc. Everything flows seamlessly from one book into the next. And now to have another group of stories that are going to be stand-alone episodes is somewhat irritating. No plot development, no character development, and no interaction with other books is something of a kick in the groin to the canon of the books.

But somehow, I think I’ll enjoy them all the same.

36. PP - November 29, 2009

That’s great. Loved the new movie. Now I can get more stories about them. Cool.

37. OneBuckFilms - November 29, 2009

I’m seeing a lot of venom for the Alternate Reality created by the movie.

Perhaps this venom would be better targetted at a franchise yo actually want, rather than complaining about the one you obviously don’t.

38. captain_neill - November 29, 2009

the two univeres are co existing in novel form right?

If you don’t like the alternate universe then there will still be prime universe novels

39. AJ - November 29, 2009

The blurb for “The Hazards of Concealing” is kind of anti-climactic knowing that all characters return to status quo at the end. Of course the “enemies” won’t get anything out of Spock Prime because of the inherent plot constraints of the format.

40. AnotherQ - November 29, 2009

I’m very interested in this new series.
It has a bunch of potential to succeed
where the other novels have (sadly)
failed.

41. Mitch - November 29, 2009

30–While I agree that retelling old stories is not the best way to go, there is absolutely no evidence that the probe will be stopped now. Unlike things that affect one individual or even a group, there is nothing about the probe that could have been affected by Nero. Could it be encountered earlier? Maybe, but ultimately, the thing just shuts out federation technology anyway, and there wouldn’t be a thing to do to stop it.

Keep in mind that the probe is a good 25 years or so years away, so they don’t have to deal with it unless Chris Pine will play the role in his 50s.

As for the bitterness toward Abrams’ universe, while I don’t necessarily agree with it, I understand it. Despite comments to the contrary, there is no evidence IN CANON that the prime universe still exists. Abrams purposefully chose to NOT establish that the prime universe still exists, and instead, tried to use some off camera interview comments to placate the long time fans. Some buy that, but others don’t. After all, all previous treatments of time travel are clear that if you change history, you wipe out the timeline.

So prime universe novels don’t matter. Of course, at any time in a movie, Abrams can put some words into the characters’ mouths that DO establish the prime universe exists, but until that happens, there is no canon evidence that the prime universe wasn’t wiped out. Hence, you have bitterness.

42. David Mack - November 29, 2009

#4 – “By any other name: Isn’t the novel “More Beautiful Than Death” basically TOS “Journey to Babel” and half as sweet?”

In a word, no. The actual plot of my novel More Beautiful Than Death (as opposed to Amazon’s pathetically uninformative blurb) bears no similarity to the TOS episode “Journey to Babel” beyond the presence of Ambassador Sarek.

43. Michael Hanscom - November 29, 2009

#13, #19: While I loved the movie, Foster’s adaptation was, in my opinion, surprisingly poor. Plenty of other people disagree with me, though, so as always, your mileage may vary.

44. OneBuckFilms - November 29, 2009

41 – Actually, the Laternate Reality is about as established as it possibly could be.

1. Spock talks about the fact that Nero has already changed the past, stating that future events can no longer be predicted by either party. Uhura: “An Alternate Reality.” Spock: “Precisely.”

2. Spock Prime tells Kirk about his father being present when he took command of the Enterprise, and being an influence for him joining Starfleet.

3. Since Spock Prime remembers a clearly different set of events, and that there is no reset or “Fix” for these events, it is clear that a Paradox has not destroyed existence, therefore leaving the Alternate Reality postulated by Spock and Uhura as the only logical explanation.

Therefore, the Alternate Reality is canon by the events depicted in the movie.

45. Michelle - November 29, 2009

There may be nothing in the canon of the movie to say definitely that the prime universe exists, but I don’t see anything said in the movie that indicates it was wiped out entirely. If that is the source of the bitterness, that seems rather odd to me. If anything from a money stand point, they’ll keep both universes going so they can still write books and make video games (see the upcoming Star Trek Online MMO) set in Prime universe and the new alternate one.

46. OneBuckFilms - November 29, 2009

Anthony,

This site appears to attract a lot of the bigger names in Star Trek.

Roberto Orci,
JJ Abrams,
James Cowley,
Chris Doohan,
many others.

and now David Mack?

Very, very cool of your guests and yourself.

47. Craiger - November 29, 2009

Any news on continuing the Romulan War books?

48. Ceti Alpha 5 - November 29, 2009

@41 Mitch
You must be new here.

Actually it still exists.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/

49. Holger - November 29, 2009

Well, we can now clearly see the JJverse developing. But this is a version of Trek which I will thoroughly ignore, just like I did with seven seasons of Voyager, Nemesis, and ENT: These are the voyages

50. Mitch - November 29, 2009

47–have you ever watched an episode or movie of Star Trek, where time travel is involved? That article you quoted is meaningless because first, Star Trek doesn’t work that way, and second, only what is shown on screen is canon.

Star Trek is not reality, and even so, given that no one has ever time travelled into the past and changed anything, thus creating a real new universe, trying to use so called real science to sidestep the destruction of the prime universe is very weak. It doesn’t matter anyway, because there was absolutely NO MENTION of these theories in the actual movie.

Moving to #43–no it wasn’t established in the movie. The line you mention about an alternate reality does not in any way, shape or form, show that the original reality still exists. In any time travel where the past is changed, there is an alternate reality. That was never the issue. The issue is that the alternate reality took the PLACE of the original one, which has not been contradicted in any way. As for Spock Prime’s ability to remember the original universe, that is to be expected, and does not contradict anything, as in pretty much every time travel case, the guy doing the time traveling remembers is unaffected.

At any point, the writers can re-establish the continuing existence of the prime universe. But an interview isn’t canon. Nothing in this movie definitively proves the prime universe is still kicking, and Trek science is not something they can change since they CHOSE to follow canon. They changed events, but that’s all.

Ultimately, if you want to understand bitterness behind the whole double universe issue, there it is. Those that will buy into anything they say will be happy, those that don’t will not.

51. Bones - November 29, 2009

I stopped reading the novels when they started to focus more on continuity porn than plot.

I’m looking forward to the Abrahmsverse novels telling real stories again.

Hopefully they’ll be available on Kindle!

52. SerenityActual - November 29, 2009

Alternate universes and realities do co-exist with each other, the mirror universe runs along time the prime universe, and in an episode ot TNG, there was a scene where literally thousands of realities appeared next to each other.

The Prime universe still exists and moves on it’s way.

53. Rocket Scientist - November 29, 2009

Um…all of this is made up. For entertainment purposes. You can’t destroy what never existed in the first place. But you can enjoy a new interpretation of a beloved franchise. I’ve got complaints, but not being entertained by the new movie is definitely not one of them.

54. captain_neill - November 29, 2009

Folks the two universes co exist with each other

We are still getting books in both universes. I was initially uinhappy because I thought one would overtake the other but its clear they will both co exist with each other.

I love the new movie, I treat it as new canon for a new universe, the prime universe is still there.

If you dont want to read books in the new universe then please take comfort that books in the prime universe will continue.

I still prefer the Prime universe over JJ’s alternate universe and I always will. But I can live with the two universes co existing side by side.

In the prime universe Vulcan is still intact and there is a new game which is in the Prime Universe.

It is still there.

Best to treat the new movie like a new Parallel universe along with the Mirror Universe.

Hope this makes sense.

55. Mitch - November 29, 2009

52–it was established in canon that the mirror universe was a separate, parallel universe from the prime one. Same with all the universes in Parallels. However, they never established that time travel creates different universes. Not once. In fact, Parallels, is merely a theory that every possible event happens–nothing about time travel at all.

53–of course that’s true, but at the same time, there is 40 years of established canon and continuity that while not perfect, was not thrown for a loop like this. People feel a strong attachment for it, and given that within canon, one reality replaced the other, it’s a problem for many diehards.

54–while the idea that two universes do co-exist is nice, it was not established within canon, and that’s the problem. Easily rectified with a line in a future movie, but until that happens, it hasn’t.

56. Ceti Alpha 5 - November 29, 2009

@49 Mitch

It”s more like you ignore things you don’t like. Or you stick your head in the sand whenever something comes around that may change your perception of reality. (or in this case fiction)

Besides people like you just won’t be satisfied unless Gene Roddenberry’s ghost appears before you and decrees it so.

57. AJ - November 29, 2009

Mitch:

Here’s a stretch:

The Prime Universe is proven by canon to be unaffected by the events in ST09. Why? Because Nero and Spock passed through the singularity one after the other. At one brief point the singularity was a tunnel where one ship was in one reality as the other ship was in the other reality, in the process of being sucked in after it.

Also, as the singularity was an event in the prime universe, it would have ceased to exist after the Narada passed through, and Spock would have winked out with it, if the prime universe suddenly ceased to exist.

OK, rip it apart, but if the writer says that both realities still exist, even though he didn’t actually say it as a character in the film, I’d say it’s canon.

58. Enterprise - November 29, 2009

Wouldn’t it be a cool movie if the new crew somehow screws up and finds it way back in the Prime Universe? I’d love to see that movie!!

59. Mitch - November 29, 2009

56–I’m not ignoring a thing. I’m just not making something up to support something I want to believe, and am following Star Trek canon. And even GR’s ghost can’t make canon out of an interview or non canon comment. If the prime universe still existed, they would have said so clearly in the movie. They didn’t say a thing. That says it all.

57–that IS a stretch. Spock going through the singularity was no different than the Enterprise E following the Borg.

Bottom line–the writers of the movie did not see fit to make the prime universe’s continued existence canon. Saying something OFF canon does not change that. Even the article that was cited in 48 contradicts itself. First, he tries to say that there are two separate universes, but then tries to say that they are the same people. It can’t be both. It’s clear from the movie itself, that they chose the latter.

60. Dom - November 29, 2009

To be honest, Trek fans can argue or decide whether the Prime universe still exists all they like: the majority of the punters don’t care – they got a great new Star Trek film.

Personally I don’t care either way: I still have my Star Trek Blu-rays, and the various novels from down the years that I liked most: Final Frontier, Strangers From the Skies, Enterprise: The First Adventure, Battlestations!, Dreadnought!, Burning Dreams, Vulcan’s Glory etc.

The Prime Universe can continue if people want it to: I wish certain people would use a little imagination and stop the nauseating geek thing of demanding ‘official’ statements and ‘canon’ explanations for things. Enjoy guessing! I swear the preponderance of guide books, encyclopaedias and so on has done the equivalent of sucking people’s imaginations dry!

61. Dom - November 29, 2009

35. That One Guy: ‘I’ve been reading a lot of the Post-NEM books, which are absolutely phenomenal. For once, Trek actually has a grande story arc. Everything flows seamlessly from one book into the next.’

That’s the advantage of a series of books based on shows that no longer exist, where the ending is completely open and nothing is going to contradict it. Doctor Who had a similar thing for fifteen-odd years.

‘And now to have another group of stories that are going to be stand-alone episodes is somewhat irritating. No plot development, no character development, and no interaction with other books is something of a kick in the groin to the canon of the books.’

The dreaded ‘c’ word again! ;) There’s no real difference from the good old days. Plenty of big, dramatic things can happen in the novels. That said, Earth can’t be blown up or McCoy permanently killed off or whatever. Most of Star Trek (TOS) on TV worked that way and no one minded. Even the Spock Prime story can allow plenty of dramatic things to happen.

The only danger is that there can be contradictions later films, but you can accept that. When you look at it, most Star Trek (TOS) books from the 80s and 90s can still pretty comfortably fit into a wider continuity if you want them to do so!

62. SarahJM - November 29, 2009

@ #6 “the JJ Kirk and Spock are not the Spock and Kirk we knew!!”

Enough already!

Is the Spock from “The Cage” with all the shouting and the smiling the Spock you knew?? No, that is not the Spock you knew – yet you probably understand that this character grew into the Spock you knew.

Why do you have to complain about this (face it) slight variation on Spock when “the Spock you knew” had some vastly different interpretations already?

63. That One Guy - November 29, 2009

61 Dom,

“When you look at it, most Star Trek (TOS) books from the 80s and 90s can still pretty comfortably fit into a wider continuity if you want them to do so!”

Don’t I know it. I read the Rihannsu books a while back, and I love them. What makes me love the writers of Trek nowadays is that they actually referenced them in one of the Titan books.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that for a while, we won’t have the same kind of continuity that we’ve seen with the “A Time to…” series all the way through Destiny and the Aftermath books. It’s all one big story that keeps building upon itself. There is one MASSIVE Star Trek series built in from “A Time to be Born” up until “Losing the Peace.” And this story will continue on even further with the Typhon Pact series next year. THAT is what I love.

I’m sure we’ll see it with the New Universe Trek, but it won’t be until after the movies are completed.

64. Dom - November 29, 2009

63. That One Guy

Yeah and the fun part (for me) is that, when there’s a contradiction, I can work out a ‘get around’ or two so it can fit. Like I say, there’s a lot of enjoyment to be gained from creating personal ‘fanon’!

I mean, I know Lt Piper bent the Enterprise (severely damaging it, I imagine), but it doesn’t really affect anything from the TV shows!

65. S. John Ross - November 29, 2009

#60: “I wish certain people would use a little imagination and stop the nauseating geek thing of demanding ‘official’ statements and ‘canon’ explanations for things. Enjoy guessing! I swear the preponderance of guide books, encyclopaedias and so on has done the equivalent of sucking people’s imaginations dry!”

On this we agree 100% The whole “canon” thing is like a concentrated lump of anti-fun mined from the anti-fun asteroids of the dullsville system.

I prefer to think of Star Trek fiction (doesn’t matter if it’s a TV episode, novel, comic or whatever) as a dramatized retelling of a historical event from a universe that doesn’t exist. And like any other dramatized retelling of a historical event, I presume that it’s about 50% off-base for the needs of the medium and the narrative … and therefore there is no knowable canon, no set-in-stone detail, only a universe we know through the retelling.

Of course, the canonistas serve the role of the hardcore Civil War buffs who thump their chest and gripe because the latest Civil War movie showed some general’s facial hair 1.3 cm too long and so the whole movie is ruined.

That said, I still feel the new “Trek” movie, while both a hoot and a holler (saw it twice, myself) failed utterly to be Star Trek in any meaningful sense … not because it changed any details (see above for how much I don’t care about details) but rather because it undermined the soul of what Trek means to me (exactly to the extent that TNG failed, but in the opposite direction). That others can embrace it as Star Trek is good for them, but no help to me :(

66. Dom - November 29, 2009

59. Mitch: ‘I’m not ignoring a thing. I’m just not making something up to support something I want to believe, and am following Star Trek canon. And even GR’s ghost can’t make canon out of an interview or non canon comment.’

It depends how fanatical you are. Gene Roddenberry didn’t recognise most of season three of Star Trek or large parts of TWOK-TUC. He also ‘decanonised’ the cartoon series, which was arguably more faithful to Star Trek than either the movies or the spin-off live action shows.

Personally, I recognise all of season three, TAS and the first six films as one continuity. The Spock from that continuity then went on to appear in ST09. I regard TNG and co as as much of a parallel universe as ST09 is.

For me, TNG is set in a universe that uses some of TOS as backstory, but, when developing TNG Gene Roddenberry stated he was perfectly happy to contradict TOS if need be! If you want Spock Prime to come from TNG’s universe, fine. If you don’t fine. If you want the original ‘Prime’ universe (an iffy term given the primary, active universe is now really the one from JJ’s film) to continue to exist, so be it. If you don’t, so be it.

Personally, I think all this ‘canon’ stuff is a load of old hooey! Essentially there are a load of options on the table in front of you. People should make up their own minds rather than moan that other people are taking away choices from them when they are doing no such thing!

67. Mitch - November 29, 2009

60 does have a point. Ultimately, the Trek layman doesn’t care, and they made this movie a hit. It was a hit, but it doesn’t change that there is no evidence that the prime universe continues. I hope Abrams decides to do something that ends the debate. He can. Easily. They could do it as easily as an off camera mention that Spock Prime went back to his own universe. Or they can make a big deal about it and have Kirk Prime show up, explain how that is possible, and he and Spock Prime help the younger crew save the day against whatever problem Abrams throws at them.

66–Yes, GR decanonized TAS, and that’s unfortunate. And yes, it’s true you can recognize what you want and don’t want. But that said, my personal canon and actual canon are two different things. There are books I wish would be canon, like the Shatnerverse, which are not even contradicted.

As long as Paramount continues to adhere to the definition of canon as what we see onscreen, then that’s it.

68. Dom - November 29, 2009

67. Mitch: ‘But that said, my personal canon and actual canon are two different things. There are books I wish would be canon, like the Shatnerverse, which are not even contradicted.’

Then again, I don’t believe there is an ‘actual’ canon. Gene Roddenberry’s been dead for 20 years, God rest his soul, and things have changed dramatically since he made his decision about what is or isn’t ‘canon’ for legal reasons in the mid-1980s.

The cartoon series eventually got recognised on the official website, a proper DVD release in a similar box to the original Star Trek show and Trials and Tribble-ations got on to the season two Blu-ray set in full-HD. There’s nothing at all out there to say TAS is in any way unofficial, any more than many of the books. Indeed, ST09’s writers used some of the books as background material for the new film!

I don’t want or need an official on-screen explanation or clarification of anything. What next, for God’s sake: ‘Star Trek XII – What Lies Beneath . . . Khan’s Glove’?!! ;)

69. captain_neill - November 29, 2009

I love all Trek, I place TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT into the same canon as TOS

I treat the new movie as a parallel universe. Its a great fun movie and I have fun when I watch it, it is by no means by all time fav movie but it is a fun movie. I do hate a lot of the things that JJ Abrams changed but there is a lot of stuff in the new film I also love.

I am not a fan of JJ Abrams but I will admit that he did a great movie, I just don’t think of him as the second coming as so may people on here seem to think.

There are many different styles of time travel and I choose to accept the new movie as a parallel universe as I think it would have been the ultimate insult to erase everything that came before.

Also why not use the same principal that was used in In A Mirror Darkly on Enterprise that the it went back in time and into a parallel universe.

Its Science Fiction, it can work if we choose to accept it.

One thing for sure is I will always prefer the Prime Universe, I will always prefer Shatner as Kirk over Pine, Nimoy over Quinto. Does not mean I hate the new ones, I like the new guys but I love the originals better.

I for one am happy with two universes co existing.

70. DC - November 29, 2009

25: Now wait….Nero only changed things after his arrival. Everything before that event follows canon. Would that not include the arrival of Kirk Prime to get the whales? Or at the very least it’s possible?
…….
0_o OMG!!!!!
THAT’S how they can bring Shatner into the Abrams-verse!!!!! Kirk returns to the future but this new future whose timeline is the predominant one now.
I know it’s unlikely, and a bit ridiculous, but its as good a way as any….but anyway, so, with that bit in mind that up until Nero’s arrival in the 23rd Century, Everything’s as we remember it, would Kirk and Co. be in the 1980s to retrieve the whales? Even if from an alternate timeline since those timelines have a “shared” past?

71. Dom - November 29, 2009

70. DC

In all honesty, I simply look at the new universe as a different one from the outset. The Kelvin’s a new design, the uniforms are different and goodness knows what else. I don’t think it was a carbon copy universe at the outset, even before Nero showed up!

72. OneBuckFilms - November 29, 2009

Guys, see my previous post that proves that the Alternate Reality is absolutely Canon.

It WAS established on screen. Fact.

73. Kirk's Girdle - November 29, 2009

Re: 18 Henry Blake’s Plane

Great pop culture reference, even if it is a little odd for this particular site.

74. AJ - November 29, 2009

I have to say this is one of more civilized debates on this subject I’ve ever read here on Trekmovie.

I’ll probably pick up the ADF “Refugees” book. IMO, he rushed out the ST09 novelization from an unfinished screenplay, and it showed. Many of us are used to the expanded stories that came with the TOS films’ novels, and this was far from that. Maybe his own original take on these characters will translate to a good ‘Star Trek’ yarn.

Of course, having only two hours of film to use as a basis for the characters’ interaction with no personal growth allowed will be daunting.

75. Dom - November 29, 2009

73. Kirk’s Girdle

And still one of the great tragic moments in a comedy series!

76. captain_neill - November 29, 2009

70

I agree and also how they have a different Star date system than in the Prime Universe.

77. OneBuckFilms - November 29, 2009

70,76 – The Stardate System probably evolved differently in Prime vs. Alternate Reality from TOS.

Kirk went back to 1987 from the Prime timeline, creating an Alternate Reality at that moment, then went forward in time to the point he left.

The whales were released in a slightly altered alternate reality created by his arrival.

Because there were no clues, they had no clue that this was what happened.

78. Trekkie - November 29, 2009

The new novels sound great, but isn’t it a bit much that there are now three major universe in Star Trek?

1. the universe followed by the prime universe novels (post destiny)

2. post-nemesis in Star Trek online

3. the JJ-verse

won’t that get confusing?

79. SerenityActual - November 29, 2009

I actually disagree that Nero’s entrance into the new movie universe skewed that particular universe. I believe that this universe was already in existance and parallel when Nero entered.

The technology of the Kelvin and her shuttles seemed a little more advanced than that of the same time in the Prime universe, the uniform differences, the fact that they were already using the delta shield, when in the prime universe, only the Enterprise was using the delta as per TOS.

The JJ universe was already an established and living universe. The entrance of Nero and Spock just changed the time line of that universe, not that of the Prime.

80. ac - November 29, 2009

I like to accept that the two universes exist in this case, if Abrams and company have said so in interviews then that’s good enough for me. No matter how I felt about the new film being just ok, I loved that they didn’t disrespect everything else. I wish there were more die hard fans arguing that all these other series that have been rebooted somehow had their old universe going on, those meant a lot to me too but it seems like usually everyone is just on board, they say go ahead reboot, great, even if I never liked the idea. But so the way I see it, if the people in charge are down with both existing, you can take that as canon if it will really make you feel better, and for me it does.

81. Mr Mann - November 29, 2009

i have no idea where i am anymore – i don’t think i bloody exist – this forum is making me feel slightly schizophrenic!

82. Bones - November 29, 2009

@78: I think the people that read the novels (and post on boards like this) are a small percentage of the overall movie-going public. The movie-verse needs to be kept simple for the mass markets to understand. The people that post here debating the different modes of non-existence of imaginary characters should be able to keep track of the various universes in the Star-Trek multiverse.

Which brings a thought to mind: Has any other major, successful Science Fiction franchise achieved a multiverse? Trek has several clear, well-explored canonical parallel universes, including Prime, Mirrorverse, JJ-verse, etc. I can’t think of one other. (Excluding “minor” examples such as Heinlein and Marvel/DC comics).

@79: interesting thought. I like that better than the “Narada created a parallel universe” proposal because I have trouble understanding how the Narada exiting a black hole created enough energy to start a complete universe.

83. SupremeDalekOnTheBridge - November 29, 2009

#15

What #18 said. This crew needs to get out there, and solve problems they encounter themselves, and not rely on Old Man Spock.

I have no problem with Spock. Just because he now resides in an Alternate Reality doesn’t mean he has to show up every now and then in books and movies, just so we’ll remember him. Could it even happen that they will overuse Spock “Prime” (oh how I loathe that term)?

It has happened in the new (less then five years old) Doctor Who. Companions keep coming back. A certain companion is turning up in David Tennant’s Christmas specials next month, and I said it to a friend. The reply?

“SHE’S coming back? AGAIN?!?!”

84. Spockanella - November 29, 2009

Hmmm….I see a plot here to divest me of my disposable income…..

85. CarlG - November 29, 2009

@65: “The whole “canon” thing is like a concentrated lump of anti-fun mined from the anti-fun asteroids of the dullsville system.”

This is, as they say, Epic Win. Quote of the month right here, folks. :D

@83: It’s not Rose, is it? Why must such an awesome companion be tainted by overexposure?

Tell me that they’re bringing back Donna too, at the very least — she was way too brilliant to be left the way she was…

86. SupremeDalekOnTheBridge - November 29, 2009

#85 I won’t confirm or deny anything…

RIVER SONG: Spoilers!

87. SupremeDalekOnTheBridge - November 29, 2009

#85

You are correct, Donna will be back in a big way. But the Doctor’s main companion is Wilf, Donna’s grandad.

88. DGill - November 29, 2009

Hmm. Those books seem boring. I don’t mind them being stand-alone, episodic tales, but I think they should at least bridge the gap between the film and its sequel in a relevant, exciting way.

89. Daoud - November 29, 2009

You know, when Kirk went back in ST:IV and brought back George and Gracie, it’s equally likely that George and Gracie managed to escape the hunters before Kirk’s incursion.

That Kirk took them forward into the future, might have been exactly the cause of humpbacks dying out.

So, now that Kirk didn’t go back in time and take George and Gracie, and they survive… means that when the Probe arrives, the humpbacks say hello, and voila. ;)

90. M_E - November 29, 2009

“the probe could have encountered the Nerada during the missing 25 years, and been destroyed as target practice.”

Aside the Narada being at Klingon hands during that time, the probe could probably neutralize it as easily as it did to the Federation and Klingon ships… Not to mention it was a passive “attack”. Who really knows what that thing can do if it feels to be in real danger, remember what it was doing to the whole Earth…

“Now wait….Nero only changed things after his arrival. Everything before that event follows canon. Would that not include the arrival of Kirk Prime to get the whales?”

Not only that but also Picard and co. being there to stop the Borg preventing First Contact. It´s stablished that the JJVerse acknowledges Star Trek: Enterprise… and Star Trek: Enterprise acknowledges First Contact.

91. Rach - November 29, 2009

Heh, I hope nothing ruins my cannon. :(

My friend and I wrote a 700 page novel about the new universe, and we’re working on editing and publishing at this point. Hopefully, none of these will ruin our cannon. Hopefully. :/

92. Weerd1 - November 29, 2009

Careful Rach, someone will fire the Canon Cannon at your book… ;)

93. Anthony Pascale - November 29, 2009

Gary

thanks for the comments, we do have a feedback section

http://trekmovie.com/about/feedback

to you question about overseas, we have done a bit of overseas coverage. We are the only site that covered JJ Abrams overseas tour, we had exclusive coverage from most of the cities for that. We have done some con reports from overseas events, like FedCon. We reported on the DVD editions overseas and John is going to do an article on products only available outside the US. We have done a few other special overseas things.

About 1/3 of our traffic comes from outside the US (mostly Canada, UK, Australia and Germany). Not sure what else we can cover from an overseas point of view. We believe we already do more than any other US based Trek site.

Any specific ideas, feel free to drop them in at feedback.

94. Capes - November 29, 2009

#18 I love the name!

Col. Blake went before his time……still get a lump in my throat when I see that episode…..

95. ryanhuyton - November 29, 2009

# 41 The prime universe still exists. We have the 700+ hours of movies and episodes on dvd/Blu Ray. There is also the books and the fact that J.J Abrams said so. It seems to me that you are harboring some resentment at the fact that the new movie, “Star Trek” takes place in a new timeline.

96. Dom - November 30, 2009

65. S. John Ross: ‘That said, I still feel the new “Trek” movie, while both a hoot and a holler (saw it twice, myself) failed utterly to be Star Trek in any meaningful sense … not because it changed any details (see above for how much I don’t care about details) but rather because it undermined the soul of what Trek means to me (exactly to the extent that TNG failed, but in the opposite direction.)’

I actually know where you’re coming from. But . . . I see the first film as a ‘furniture rearranging’ exercise. I think there’s plenty of room for course corrections in the sequel. ST09 was the bait; hopefully ST12 will be the stand alone Star Trek epic we’ve been waiting for since the 1960s.

97. Enterprise - November 30, 2009

96. You really hate everything, don’t you?

98. Ralph F - November 30, 2009

Try to look at it more like an interpretation. Batman, for instance, has a myriad of “universes”, not only on screen but in books and comics.

I’m happy letting TREK nest in a couple of universes. If I start wondering about where the Probe is, or who’ll meet up with the Doomsday Machine, or who might play Gary Seven, that I start seeing a second Marty standing by the Lone Pine Shopping Mall Sign. :-\

I’m a big TREK fiction reader again (after I got my Kindle a couple summers ago, I started re-reading some of the TOS stories, particularly those set between TMP and WOK), and am guardedly looking forward to the “Neroverse” TREK novels — but am happy the TOS centric ones will continue. I like the new cast, the new crew, the new feel (even the big E is growing on me, though those pylons are just a loss); and even though TOS will always be my TREK, I have to remember the phrase “young minds, fresh ideas…”

And besides, the TNG Relaunch screwed up the Trek universe so bad (did every friggin’ novel have to be about the Borg? what happened to episodic Trek?) that a fresh look is going to be welcomed IMO.

99. Nuallain - November 30, 2009

Is it just me, or do those temp-covers on Amazon make it look like Marlboro are publishing the new novels?

100. AJ - November 30, 2009

Definitely Marlboro Red.

101. Victor Hugo - November 30, 2009

> 58. Enterprise – November 29, 2009
>
> Wouldn’t it be a cool movie if the new crew somehow screws up and >finds it way back in the Prime Universe? I’d love to see that movie!!

I had to laugh, hahaha good one.
Gosh, it´s like we´re back at the beginning of the “Next Generation”,
will new Kirk meet old Kirk? will the new Enterprise meet the original Enterprise?
Don´t be surprised if something like this will pop out in Fan-Fiction, and in a couple of years, in official printed Pocket Books.

102. Trek Nerd Central - November 30, 2009

Good heavens. I find it rather amazing that we’re still debating the merits of the alternate JJ-verse. It exists. We can’t undo it. So if ya don’t like it, just let it be.

I’m still a fan of TOS first, but what the heck. The new movie was a fun ride, right? And it’s in an alternate universe, right? So I can just enjoy my favorite old episodes with Shatner and Nimoy and hilarious foam rocks? And I needn’t worry about all of them, I dunno, winking out of existence or something? And I won’t get hanged for treason if I enjoy the new movies as well? Right? RIGHT???

103. James Heaney - November 30, 2009

#59 Mitch: Actually, Mitch, if you focus really really hard and think through the canon (and adopt your rule of ignoring writers’ off-screen comments), you can demonstrate — fairly easily — that there is NO contradiction between the new movie’s canon and the Prime universe canon. I would argue not that Nero’s incursion created a new universe NOR that it wiped out the old one, but that it caused the old one to unfold in precisely the way we’ve always known it has.

It’s like S. John Ross said earlier in this thread: canon is squishy. No true canonista, interpreting canon according to strict constructions of the definition of “canon,” can ever realistically criticize any new part of the canon for failure to conform to old canon. They can only criticize themselves for a failure of imagination.

There are even hints there for us in the movie. The movie puts Vulcan in the same star system as Delta Vega. Delta Vega is near the galactic barrier. Therefore, the planet Vulcan in the movie is *not* in 40 Eridani. Therefore, the planet Vulcan in TOS, the movies, and the later series is NOT the same planet as the one we saw in the movie.

There are three other ways off the top of my head to make the problem of Vulcan’s destruction go away as a canonical problem, but I shall leave them (along with the problem of Amanda’s death, the problem of Pike’s face-to-face meeting with a Romulan, the problem of the Enterprise’s launch dates, and several other canonical puzzlers) as an exercise to the reader.

On topic, I am very very happy to hear that these books will be strictly episodic, as the Trek books were in the high old days of the ’90’s. I know I am virtually alone in longing for the return of the days when I could pick up a Trek book and instantly know all the characters, their arcs, their foes, and the basic plot without having to play catch-up in the first few chapters, but I, at least, am completely tickled by the temporary hold on interconnected storytelling in the novels.

104. Psiqueue - November 30, 2009

I have to say, I am excited to see some news about the books to be published next summer. Makes me feel that things are still going strong in the world of Trek Fiction.

And I am kinda of hyped about the “Star Trek Online: The Needs of the Many” announcement. I would like to see how things change over the passage of time…

105. S. John Ross - November 30, 2009

#96: “I actually know where you’re coming from. But . . . I see the first film as a ‘furniture rearranging’ exercise. I think there’s plenty of room for course corrections in the sequel. ST09 was the bait; hopefully ST12 will be the stand alone Star Trek epic we’ve been waiting for since the 1960s.”

Oh, absolutely … I’m not dismissing this new direction of the franchise; I’ll be along for the next movie, at least, to see where it goes. I gave TNG three years, after all, and occasionally checked in in later years when the buzz was high, and to this day maintain some genuine affection for TNG as a fun, smart bit of preachy space-opera TV (with bonus fanfic energy), even if I don’t consider it real Star Trek. Similarly, I have genuine affection for ST2009 as a fun, wakka-wakka bit of braindead explodey space-opera cinema (with bonus cut-and-paste theming, cut-and-paste emotional beats, etc), even if I don’t consider it real Star Trek.

With the right talents and energies applied, this new direction could blossom into full-on, balls-to-the-wall Star Trek on the big screen, and that’d be a first, and that’d be gorgeous. But time will tell.

106. Alientraveller - November 30, 2009

Some things I feel like correcting in this thread…

We know nothing of the 2230s from previous canon. There is nothing against the ships (Kelvin) of that era being larger than those ships built in the next decade. There is nothing against the delta symbol being used on a ship before the Enterprise. You can say in the alternate reality that ships continued the Kelvin pattern of large bridges, viewscreen windows and no Jefferies tubes, which is why the alternate Enterprise is allegedly so much larger than its prime counterpart (those massive pipes were never replaced unlike the prime reality). Similarly, the stardates did correspond to the Earth year back then, and remained simple in the alternate reality.

Secondly, there are two Delta Vega planets – one in the Vulcan system and one at the galactic barrier. I mean, how many Lincolns are there in the US?

Lastly, someone has mentioned In A Mirror Darkly in which the Defiant travels through time as well as space. It is the same case here – but unlike the mirror universe, which diverged thousands of years before the prime universe, the alternate one diverges when Nero arrived. Likewise, we could have another universe where George Kirk lives but the Dominion conquered Starfleet, or a mirror universe where Sato did not become Empress. So important was the notion of this film being that these people would’ve been those from the other universe had it not been for interference, considering it ‘just’ a parallel universe to explain how it doesn’t fit into the traditional Trek time travel is overly simplistic.

107. Mr. Delicious - November 30, 2009

14 – George and Gracie are served up as sushi for Khan Noonien Singh.

And Sarek has to have heart surgery all over again….and somewhere Sybock is laughing.

Perhaps Taylor from Gilmore Girls can play Sybock.

108. Mr. Delicious - November 30, 2009

62 – Yes CageSpock is the one I know very well.

THE WOMEN!

109. Demode - November 30, 2009

I think they need to return SPOCK PRIME in a future movie to his universe. It should be obvious to anyone that Spock Prime living in the altered timeline would be a threat to the Federation, because of his knowledge of the future. Yes, the timeline may have changed a little, but there is alot of damage that his knowledge of future events could do.

110. Jack - November 30, 2009

So it looks like the prime universe kept going, Spock and Nero (and Kirk when he died in Generations) disappeared from it. Sadly, the way it now works (or at least as written), I don’t think there’s a way back in. Gone is gone, dead is dead. That universe went on with the TOS-TNG+ history we know, with Spock and Nero missing and presumably presumed dead. That’s what happened there. Everybody’s got to die somehow.

109. Pretty good line in the movie explaining why future knowledge won’t matter as, from the Kelvin on, all that changed… nobody knows what’s going to happen now, including Spock Prime. This is a brand new reality.

But beyond the mechanics/logic/continuity, I don’t really understand the “we must fix this!” back to the future/reset button movement, apart from “we must go back in time and fix this by the end of the episode” has been how time travel in Trek and most other sci fi has worked (and been overused) before. Is it a feeling that the writers aren’t respecting the previous stories? Why not savour the chance at some brand new stories and brand new Trek onscreen. They might even be great. Can’t old and new Trek coexist?

Were people this outraged when TMP and TNG came out?

111. Capes - November 30, 2009

Fade in: The Doomsday Machine on the way to Rigel after destroying the USS Constellation….

Crossing into shot: The probe from STIV….

Suddenly with no warning: The Hand of Apollo mysteriously appears (far from where we last left him) and grabs both the probe and the Doomsday Machine and turns them BOTH on their side. Ironically this was a leftover can of Coors Light and an Ice Cream Cone that Apollo had foolishly neglected to clean up from a very serious all nighter……

Problem solved the JJverse continues unmolested from TOS.

Fade out: Roll credits…….Time to move on gang!

112. Dom - December 1, 2009

109. Demode:

I consider Spock’s knowledge an opportunity to be exploited. It annihilates all the surprises from the TOS timeline, which means a completely new set of challenges can come the way of the Enterprise crew!

113. Jack - December 1, 2009

ps 79…

Er, maybe the Delta Shield was originally just the Kelvin’s symbol first and, after Nero destroyed the ship, it became the starfleet symbol in the same noncanon original universe way (to honour the ship and crew, as mentioned in the 1980s pocket books guide to the e) that the e’s symbol was used for all of starfleet in the movies… and that, therefore, maybe in the original universe, the e’s symbol was based on the Kelvin’s which maybe was retired after the Kelvin was mothballed… so fictional history sort of corrected itself. It kind of hurt to write that.

112. But will Spock be there to be consulted every time something happens? Plus, space is large (and a lot of players in TOS events may now be dead or doing different things than they would have been), the mission is starting at a different time in a different ship — maybe the bulk of those things just won’t happen to the e now, but to some other ship… or not at all?

114. Lunarflowermaiden - December 1, 2009

110. I don’t get it either.

I like to think of the new universe like the episode ‘Parallels’, which is what it is, another universe existing quite happily with all of the other universes.

115. James Heaney - Wowbagger - December 1, 2009

#110 Jack: “Were people this outraged when TMP and TNG came out?”

Yes.

And when DS9 came out, and when VOY came out, and when TWOK came out, and when ENT came out, and when NEM came out… Whether Trek is on top of the world or on the bottom, the one consistent truth is that the fans are *always* fighting about it.

116. Weerd1 - December 1, 2009

110- I was going to say it, but 115 beat me to it- I knew fans who were OUTRAGED over TNG, and lamented TMP because it didn’t have the “fun action” of TOS (cue irony here…).

I suppose it is indicative that Trek is a subject which makes people passionate. Wouldn’t be the first time in history people who were basically in agreement over a subject got really wrapped around the axle about the meaning of that subject. Ah, JJ Abrams just nailed 95 Thesis to a door…

117. S. John Ross - December 1, 2009

#116: “and lamented TMP because it didn’t have the “fun action” of TOS (cue irony here…)”

There’s nothing ironic about it. Besides, some of us were just puzzled about why they chose to film it in black and white :) (comparitively speaking …)

118. Dom - December 2, 2009

117. S. John Ross:

My abiding memories of TMP from childhood are of wondering why everything seems to be blue/grey and beige! Hideous!

119. – Latest - December 2, 2009

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120. Brian Lee - December 2, 2009

Question…wouldnt Guinan have noticed a change in the timeline much like she did in TNG’s “Yesterday’s Enterprise”? She always seemed so hell bent on changing what was wrong during any timeline situation.

And if so, that subject could make a great JJVerse book. She knows somethings terribly wrong but doent know how to change it.

And I dont know about anyone else…but I harbor much hatred and annoyance at Paramount for letting Trek books be published only to then say that they arent “official canon”. That is BS. Dare I say…look at what Lucas has done with Star Wars. Anything, be it books, comics, videogames, whatever, is considered canon and it all works very well together. Just saying…

121. Dom - December 2, 2009

120. Brian Lee

Guinan supposedly didn’t get her powers until years later when she encountered the Nexus, although, I suspect this power is inherent to her race and the Nexus ‘excuse’ was yet another example of ‘Generations’ dumbing down both TNG and TOS.

I wonder if a recast Guinan could potentially show up as a character in a sequel film? Maybe she could run the bar on Kirk’s Enterprise!

Not such a mad idea if you think about it!

122. Dom - December 2, 2009

Oh, and obviously there’d be no attempts to reset history! ;)

123. Brian Lee - December 2, 2009

Good point Dom. “Generations” was filled with MANY plot holes and contradicted itself a bit much.

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