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TMP@30: Rare Video and Photos From Star Trek: The Motion Picture December 12, 2009

by TrekMovie.com Staff , Filed under: Feature Films (TMP-NEM),Marketing/Promotion , trackback

We are in day six of our week long 30th Anniversary celebration of the first Trek feature film, Robert Wise’s Star Trek The Motion Picture. Today, thanks to one of our community members, we have some rare behind the scenes video from the making of TMP.

 

 

Rare TMP Video
(thanks to Graham/TrekkerTos and Vernon/VWVVWVVWV)

Behind the scenes

Alternative Wormhole scene

Rare Photos
The great site for Trek media, TrekCore, has a couple of interesting galleries for Star Trek The Motion Picture: firstly Behind The Scenes Gallery, plus Publicity Photos Gallery. Here are a few selections.

For much more visit TrekCores TMP page.

 

 

Comments

1. Googis McGooginhymen - December 12, 2009

At least they weren’t trying to use sex to sell this movie…

2. ety3 - December 12, 2009

I always loved the admiral’s uniform.

3. CmdrR - December 12, 2009

Wish they’d taken another few months and trimmed the fat. TMP could be much better with better editing.

Still… always nice to see the gang looking so YOUNG.

4. zanzibar - December 12, 2009

Gorgeous! So special. Am having a Trekfest Saturday night at my house. Suggestions for refreshments?

5. Janeways Knickers - December 12, 2009

Romulan Ale

6. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - December 12, 2009

I love the Pic with Kirk and Spock. Now that is a great Photo. This movie was a great movie. It was a little drawn out. But the directors edition did make it much better. If you have not seen the Directors edition then you have not seen The Motion Picture that way it was meant to be seen.

7. Drew - December 12, 2009

#3

If you get the Directors Edition DVD, you will find your wish has been granted. And yes, it IS much, much better.

8. Rocket Scientist - December 12, 2009

It’s always good to see some love for TMP! Sure, it was flawed but it was such a unique take on Star Trek whose style would never be repeated. It’s a gorgeous film.

9. DJT - December 12, 2009

Wow.

10. ironhyde - December 12, 2009

I just rewatched my TMP Director’s Edition from my Collector’s Box Set of ST movies and there is a desperate sadness I find in it now, as I approach it as a Borg movie from start to finish. Our humanity starts something very ugly there. Everyone has such hope and such sureity about what has been accomplished in the moment, but it’s actually very frightening. I find this to be the most ominous and depressing of the Star Trek films. But what can you say? Humanity IS responsible for ALL the evil our world has seen. I guess it’s the intentions behind our actions that we can control, and not always the outcome…

My dream would be a cut without the wormhole sequence. That alone would improve the movie exponentially.

11. HotStove - December 12, 2009

#10 – I couldn’t agree less. I find it heartening – the Enterprise crew didn’t go in with guns blazing, like our Klingon friends in the opening scene. Instead, our crew accumulated knowledge and saved the day through self-sacrifice and a willingness to explore rather than destroy. If I remember, there was a grand total of one Federation weapon fired in the whole movie. Spock’s arc is the most telling of all, because he finally realizes what we all know deep down – logic without emotion is a cold, lonely experience. His scene where he expresses “this simple feeling” is the epitomy of Roddenberry’s Trek.

In the end, V’Ger is us – seeking, learning, growing. It is a child, as are we all. “Is this all I am? Is there nothing more?”

12. CmdrR - December 12, 2009

7 – In the director’s cut, do you still get Sulu’s “Why, it’s Mister Spock!” not to mention the four hours of reaction shots going into V’ger?

I would like to see the director’s cut… one of these days. No bucks right now to get it, though.

13. chris2 - December 12, 2009

Shat’s toupee was especially egregious in STTMP. The damn thing looks like it’s gonna crawl off his head and go about its own business at times.

14. SPB - December 12, 2009

The Wormhole Sequence:

Still the most laughably bad, downright embarrassing sequence in ALL of TREK filmdom.

“Tiiiime… toooo… iiiim-paaaaact!”

“Beeeee-laaaay… thaaaaat… phaaaaaaa-seeeer… orrrrrrrrr-derrrrrrrr!”

“Phoh-taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn… tor-peeeeeeeeeeedooooooooohes… awaaaaaaaaay!!!”

15. Smilin Bob - December 12, 2009

What would have been good if is Lt Goodbody and Ensign Hartup were down below decks, away from their posts, going at it…picture it, if you will…all of the splendour and awe of the wormhole sequence…only with just sex!

Damn, I miss Cinemax.

16. Unmutual - December 12, 2009

#10 – I have always chosen to think of the Borg as the offspring of V’Ger – if it were to be declared canon, it would make TMP a more important part of Trek as a whole, and less of a “well-intentioned but flawed effort”, as it is largely considered to be now.

My dream cut would be to have the long “flyover” sequences sped up and truncated. Pretty to look at, boring to sit through.

#11 – You are entirely correct – but what if despite our noblest intentions, the V’Ger aspect of the merger proved to be more powerful and sinister than we knew – or even a trap from the beginning? The Borg Queen was not emotionless – possibly this was what V’Ger’s goal was all along – obtaining our best qualities to use to its own nefarious ends?

Think it over, the idea may grow on you.

17. Will_H - December 12, 2009

I miss the days when they still used models for the ship shots. I know CG gives a lot more options to the film makers but there’s a realism that only a studio model can bring. I wish they’d use both, CG for the action shots and maybe CG enhances models for the close up and slower shots.

18. KHAAAAN, the weasel - December 12, 2009

WOAH – That behind the scenes reel is so effin’ cool!

19. davidfuchs - December 12, 2009

The admiral’s uniform was a great one. The problem was that they also had people running around in Class B and C jammies, tshirts and spandex. Glad they nodded to it with Pike’s uniform at the end of ST09.

20. davidfuchs - December 12, 2009

#14

To all those wishing the wormhole sequence was cut… I wish it was better done, but I think it’s important (showing Kirk’s unfamiliarity with the vessel.) The scene caused immense problems during production and was shot twice (once at the slow speed, and once at regular). Probably they should have done it at regular and kept the optical “trailing” effects, those were quite cool.

21. Ian B - December 12, 2009

I liked TMP when I saw it as a thrilled 13 year old in 1979, and I still think it’s underrated in general. But for the life of me, I cannot fathom why on Earth Gene Roddenberry decided to have one of the world’s most beautiful women’s head shaved. It serves no plot purpose, the story would be just fine without a bald Deltan. Nobody left the cinema thinking, “the baldness really improved that movie thar”. What the heck was he thinking?

22. Thorny - December 12, 2009

The Admiral’s uniform is one of two that looked pretty good in the movie, the other being Chapel’s sickbay uniform. Everything else looked like pajamas.

That second Ilia publicity shot looks like she was cast in Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers!

23. SPB - December 12, 2009

#21-

To each his own, but Persis Khambatta looked absolutely spectacular as a bald woman. If she had a misshapen noggin, maybe it would have been a disaster, but she pulled it off just fine.

The baldness just heightens the sensuality, you know? If the drapes match the carpet…

24. SPB - December 12, 2009

(Although, one thing we DID NOT need to see in TMP…

…DeForest Kelley rocking a Mr. Furley-esque butterfly collar, with exposed chest hair. All that was missing was an ascot!)

25. John from Cincinnati - December 12, 2009

Persis Khambatta was an extremely gorgeous woman. May she rest in peace.

26. John from Cincinnati - December 12, 2009

The saying goes…if the collars and cuffs match.

27. Jeff - December 12, 2009

I had a poster of that shot with Kirk and Spock with the burst in the background. I think it was offered as a promotion through Crest toothpaste.

28. Ian B - December 12, 2009

#23

” If the drapes match the carpet…”

I’ve never been much attracted to, er… bare boards… either, to continue the dodgy metaphor.

29. Ian B - December 12, 2009

Not to mention that not even Brazilians had bare boards in 1979.

30. ryanhuyton - December 12, 2009

I think the idea of having Ilia being bald was the result of the plan to show Deltans being more “evolved” than humans. And yes, Persis Khambatta was stunning, whether bald or not. As for whether she had “carpet” or not, we will never know. Unless an X-rated version of The Motion Picture was filmed but not released….

31. Author of The Vulcan Neck Pinch for Fathers - December 12, 2009

I never knew there was a “controversy” around the wormhole sequence. I think it did highlight Kirk’s “unfamiliarity” with the new ship, which was exposited more in the novel adaptation.

Actually, the novel made Kirk seem less stupid. The way it was described there was that he had seen the early designs for the new Enterprise that would automatically cut off phaser power, and he had fought the designs because they could only have been thought of by someone who had never taken a ship into combat. He thought his comments would have been accepted and the plans changed, but he never followed through to ensure it. The movie depicted him being, well, a doofus about how the phasers worked.

The Director’s Cut does a great service to TMP, but so much of its problems stem from a story being written as it was filmed that not even a Hollywood great like Robert Wise could miracle-work it into the greatness to which it aspired. How Roddenberry in particular, or anyone with Trek in general couldn’t see that the story was a rework of the series episode “The Changeling” in sometimes startlingly similar ways always amazed me. I remember Wise being quoted later as having said it “was a very sloppy way to make a movie.” And, to be sure, part of that blame went on Paramount’s head, too, and its constantly shifting Trek winds.

The only thing I genuinely disliked about TMP were those pajama uniforms. Think about it – if Kirk brought back the Enterprise after two more (unfilmed) seasons, then spent another 18 months rebuilding her, what kind of philosophical shifts at Starfleet would have to taken place in so short a time to explain a shift away from the simple uniforms shown in the series to the chronically blue pajamas?

And, in that movie, MAN was there a lot of freaking BLUE in the 23rd century….:)

32. Ian B - December 12, 2009

IIRC, it was originally going to be the TOS uniforms, and Robert Wise hated them and insisted on new designs, and the pastel jammies were the result.

The wormhole sequence itself would be okay if it were trimmed a bit, it just goes on a little too long.

33. AJ - December 12, 2009

The idea of the Borg being the demon spawn of V’ger’s evolved form is interesting to consider, but really is impossible. V’ger’s evolution is meant to reflect our human condition, and, as part of its transformation, it became incorporeal.

Now the machine planet…THAT’s where the Borg story could start. V’ger arrived with simple programming: learn all that is learnable and return with that information to the creator.

What could have arrived at the machine planet to be transformed into the Borg? An efficient cyborg parasite which must grow to survive? Go figure.

34. mr. mugato - December 12, 2009

Star Trek 2009: The most laughably bad, downright embarrassing, plot hole infested, silly, stupid thing in ALL of TREK filmdom.

35. ryanhuyton - December 12, 2009

#34 Most people who have seen this movie will VEHEMENTLY disagree with your opinion. I thought this movie was a great movie with only a few exceptions. Just because YOU don’t like this movie, doesn’t mean it is what you described. Quite the opposite in fact. Just because it isn’t “your Trek” doesn’t mean it’s true for everyone else. In my opinion, this movie is the third best, just behind “Wrath Of Khan” and “First Contact”.

36. chris2 - December 12, 2009

I agree with #34. This movie was a turgid mess when I saw it on opening day and no amount of directors cuts, repeat viewings, nostalgia, etc. has made it a better film.

Aside from the incredibly subpar, written “on the fly” script, very few people realize that Bob Wise was just the wrong sort of director for Trek. He was obviously told by Roddenberry that he was directing something deep, something on the level of 2001.

He and Roddenberry took wonderfully alive, fun characters and turned them into somber killjoys without a shred of joy in them.

I’m surprised that people actually defend this piece of dreck.

37. mr. mugato - December 12, 2009

# 36 – I was referring to the 2009 version of Trek.

I think TMP is the only “film” in the series. It’s certainly the only science fiction film.

# 35 – As far as my opinion on Trek 2009 goes it’s my opinion. No point getting upset about it. And last time I looked I was still free to have it and publish it. You might be interested to know I’ve refrained from posting here because I didn’t want to be seen as a troll but with all the pot shots being thrown at TMP I thought I’d better pipe up.

BTW you might want to look at the comments on IMDB. I am far from alone in my opinion.

38. ryanhuyton - December 12, 2009

#37 So what? Maybe it is just a few people repeating their dislike for “Star Trek 09″? Judging by the way the movie was recieved by MOST critics, MOST fans, and MOST newbies, I and a lot of others, including Anthony Pascale, would call this movie an “unqualified success”. Just because you don’t like the new movie doesn’t mean you get to rewrite the facts.
I am not being arrogant either. I’m just stating the facts.

39. Anthony Pascale - December 12, 2009

warning to mugatu for hijacking/trolling

this is a thread about TMP, you are already posting your comments in other st09 threads, no need to try and pick a fight in this one

40. Dan - December 13, 2009

I love this film!!! :D

41. TheBigCW - December 13, 2009

In 1980 or so they released a Super-8 sound abridgement of TMP!

It runs about an hour or so and is alot of fun to watch! Editing jumps around but it doesn’t drag!

42. StarFuryG7 - December 13, 2009

I thought Persis Khambatta died of cancer. That’s what I thought was reported in the media back when it happened. However, I was just looking over her Wikipedia Page for some clarification about that, and was very disturbed to read the following:

Death
In 1998, Khambatta was taken to the Marine Hospital in south Mumbai complaining of chest pains. She died that Wednesday of a heart attack. Her funeral was held in Mumbai, 19 August 1998. She was 49. However, not all have accepted Persis Khambatta’s death as being from natural causes. Edward Lozzi, the Beverly Hills public relations executive and a former boyfriend of Khambatta in 1985-86, sent a letter of concern to the authorities in India about the threats to her life he witnessed in the United States from political fanatics in India. Khambatta had been a strong supporter of Indira Gandhi and even campaigned for her before her assassination. Lozzi hired a private investigator in Bombay (now Mumbai) to investigate the autopsy, the body, the death certificate and to interview the hospital officials where she supposedly died. None of this was made public to anyone except that her body was cremated. Lozzi’s media company shortly thereafter sent out a press release announcing his fears that Persis Khambatta’s death was due to foul play. [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persis_Khambatta

43. StarFuryG7 - December 13, 2009

#3 – I still remember looking at them on screen in the theater when the movie came out and noticing how they had all aged a decade.

But yeah, compared to now, they were noticeably ‘younger’.

44. StarFuryG7 - December 13, 2009

When will they release the Director’s Cut of TMP on Blu-ray?

45. StarFuryG7 - December 13, 2009

#13 – The hair piece for Shatner was especially annoying because the script had them all playing themselves younger, not long after where the television series had left off, even though the noticeable change in their appearances, especially Scotty’s, makes that utterly unbelievable, and a mistake for them to have tried to pass it off that way.

46. StarFuryG7 - December 13, 2009

I know it’s long been speculated that the V’Ger planet that the Voyager probe came back from was the home of the Borg, and I believe that some of the paperback novels even went with that premise, but it has never been established, let alone even been speculated on anywhere on screen in any of the Trek incarnations, so while it may be a novel idea (no pun intended), there isn’t a shred of evidence to actually support it.

47. StarFuryG7 - December 13, 2009

#23 – The problem with Persis’ baldness was that it also made the scene where her android V’Ger replica is given that stupid head piece to wear in order to put her in touch with the feelings and emotions of her progenitor, and it looked all the more ridiculous at that point because it highlighted her baldness even more, and she looked silly.

48. thebiggfrogg - December 13, 2009

Persis be a ‘disco diva’ in that third pic. And in pic 5 it looks like Shatner and Doohan took Steve Martin’s advice and “got really small”. Kind of a cool pre-CGI effect. Looks like they are really in that tin can.

49. Maoman - December 13, 2009

I will rewrite/second guess history here, but I firmly believe that TMP only lacked an initial fight/conflict scene between the Klingons and Federation to give the film the additional punch needed before the long entry into V’ger.

Had the Enterprise battled with the Klingons when they reached the edge of the cloud, (the Klingons believing V’ger to be a weapon of the Federation which had supposedly devastated the Klingon Fleet) the entry into V’ger would have been more mysterious as we moved from the idea of it being a weapon to it being sentient.

The Klingon attack in the beginning of the film adds little to the film other than portraying V’ger as an big, bad entity. It does not heighten the pace of the film and therefore the film always has this long, slow feeling to it..

This can be contrasted with WofK which contains a slam/bang opening sequence which then allows for the slower exposition before moving into Khan’s initial attack.

Now given all the problems with the TMP special effects, this sequence would have been impossible at the time. But had the story been written as such and had the effects been possible, I think the perception of TMP (and its pace) would be quite different.

50. thebiggfrogg - December 13, 2009

21. He was thinking of collecting it into a wig to foist on another unsuspecting actress. Poor Gates McFadden looked 10x better when she was able to ditch the wig. And how much hair would be required for Rand’s beehive? Rapunzel eat your heart out! Love GR’s creation, Trek, but the dude seemed to have a weird hair fetish, any way you cut it ;).

51. Bob Tompkins - December 13, 2009

47
If the Nero Comics are Canon, and the current ptb suggest they are, Voyager did indeed interact with the Borg, as suggested by several novels, which the current ptb mined for relevant data.

52. Devon - December 13, 2009

The Motion Picture was relatively well made visually, but definitely needed some work. Just a very cold sterile movie IMHO. It needed the warmth and not-so-uptightness of “The Wrath of Khan.” And perhaps something a little more riveting than 15 minute flybys of a cloud I think.

53. Scruffy the Janitor - December 13, 2009

1. Googis McGooginhymen – December 12, 2009

At least they weren’t trying to use sex to sell this movie…

Anthony, any possibility you could link back to the “porn” on the viewscreen you tube thingy you posted about a year back?

54. therock - December 13, 2009

Dear #34/37 or Mr MUGATO

Wow you and your “numerous” buddies at IMDB must be soley responsible for the whopping box office intake of 43mill for that intellectual masterpiece called nemesis, not to mention the nice 37% at Rotten Tomatoes

Get a life son

Sad what happend to Persis…..

55. Devon - December 13, 2009

#51 – I believe Bob Orci actually flat out said that the comics were not canon on here. In fact Bob Orci I think has alluded more to them being “canon” depending on what you think of as canon, or something similar.

56. SChaos1701 - December 13, 2009

34

Go away troll.

57. Naughty, naughty! - December 13, 2009

Good to see Brick Price in those fx shots of the Enterprise. I think people would be surprised to know what’s been written on the interiors of those models by their creators. Not exactly PG rated. ;-)

58. The Six Million Dollar Man - December 13, 2009

TMP was an admirable effort and only ST 2009 matches it in terms of the money, resources and committment that Paramount have pumped into the films……..

It’s given that the other films all cut corners for budgetary reasons…

Apart from that, the sun shines through beautifully after certain dull and cloudy film moments, eg, the scene with Kirk and Spock in sickbay after Spock attempted to mind-mild with V’ger and so on…..

59. Nomad - December 13, 2009

Wow! I remember seeing tha version of the wormhole scene on TV in the leadup to the release of TMP, then seeing it the actual movie and thinking ‘they’ve changed it!” This ithe first time I’ve seen it since.

60. Nomad - December 13, 2009

Excuse all the typos there.

61. Dom - December 13, 2009

TMP lacked witty dialogue and warmth. When the human race has become so cold and even our heroes have turned into petty, selfish, bitchy caricatures of the TOS/TAS characters we loved, is there any wonder we were put off them?

The film has pretensions to epic grandeur, but is ultimately lacking in the humanity ‘The Human Adventure’ requires.

62. Gorn Captain - December 13, 2009

That behind the scenes short should have been on the DVD!

Could that “zoom” photo of the Enterprise have inspired the 2009 movie poster?

63. Harry Ballz - December 13, 2009

Even the Director’s Cut of TMP was slow-paced and dull. Any chance Paramount could have one of today’s hot shot directors take all the footage and edit the hell out of it, releasing on DVD a more stylized and faster-paced version of this “epic”?

Chopping about 20 minutes of the V’Ger crap would be a good start…

64. Blowback - December 13, 2009

TMP is still a gorgeous ship thirty years later. You could drop her into a new motion picture and she would hold up well against the best CGI has to offer.

Also, I was not a fan of the uniform design in TMP but I liked the look of Kirk’s admiral’s uniform. That also held up well as Admiral Pike was sporting something similar in the most recent flick…

65. Demode - December 13, 2009

Poor Persis Khambatta…

She was crying while they were shaving her head in that behind the scenes clip. Can’t say I blame her. She would have been waaaay sexier had they let her keep her film in that film.

66. John Gill - December 13, 2009

That wormhole sequence would have been much better if they had added a thematic musical score sort of like the music used in “The Empath” when they are on the surface and Kirk is falling in slow motion in front of The Vians…

67. somethoughts - December 13, 2009

Thanks for posting that rare TMP video, that was epic. I think I will need to go back and revisit that film.

“You want to be a star don’t you…?”

“Do I…do i…..haaaavveee to…….?”

“cries”

“hair falls to the floor”

68. nuSpock - December 13, 2009

#16 and #33– Although not on screen,V’Ger being Borg WAS verified in Shatner’s post-Generations novel The Return, about Kirk… it was revealed there were several factions of Borg which manifested in various, not always corporeal, forms…one of which having been V’Ger…additionally, Roddenberry’s original idea was that V’Ger was Borg…one failed attempt at them, as were those scorpion parasites from the TNG gorefest episode Conspiracy…

given basic looks, if JJ decides to bring Ilia into the next film earlier than in the prime timeline, something tells me he will get Vanessa Hudgens to play her…abstractly, she does sorta resemble the late Persis Khambatta…

69. KirkPrimeFan - December 13, 2009

Has anyone heard about the alternative ending where the three Klingon vessels from the beginning of the movie would emerge from Vger and do battle with the Enterprise as it attempted to attack Earth? Was any of that filmed? Supposedly during the battle the Enterprise saucer section was separated. Vger had deactivated Earth’s defenses, and if not for the Enterprise, the Klingon ships would have destroyed the planet. I suppose just as Ilia was created from the “scan” Vger made of her, the same could have been true of the Klingon ships. Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has read or heard about that. It would have added more action to a slow moving story, but perhaps too late to make a difference?

70. AJ - December 13, 2009

68:

I give those Shatner novels a wide berth.

Not sure Maurice Hurley was channeling the Great Bird when he created the Borg for TNG’s second season. Yes, his original version had them assimilating technology where necessary and raising cities out of the ground, but they were growing their own little Borgie-babies at the time. JLP’s assimilation was a special event, meant to give the Borg a ‘human face’ for the upcoming assimilation of Earth.

FC changed things by putting them into the business of assimilating humanoids one at a time. That was cool until VOY spent the concept to hell.

71. TonyD - December 13, 2009

I finally broke down and decided to by the Original Motion Picture Collection on BluRay yesterday. I also popped in ST:TMP on what was, ironically, 30 years to the day of the first time I saw it. I was planning to just sample a few scenes to see how the picture quality was but was quickly drawn into the story and watched it all the way thru. I enjoyed it immensely.

I’ll never understand all the negativity towards this movie from people who claim to be Star Trek fans. Yes, the overall story is recycled from various sources and the pacing is slow at times; but the look of the film, the character arcs of Kirk and Spock, and the pervading themes of friendship, optimism and finding non-violent solutions to problems are so true to the spirit of the original show. The movie also introduced a lot of characters that Roddenberry later lifted for TNG. Decker and Ilia are Riker and Troi in every respect except their names and general appearances for example.

The fact the crew of the Enterprise doesn’t destroy V’Ger but instead helps it to reach its true potential is vintage Trek. Compare that with later films where, again and again, the solution to the problem at hand is to simply blow stuff up. As far as I’m concerned anyone who disses this movie isn’t really a Star Trek fan or at best never really got what the original show was about.

BTW, for anyone concerned about the picture quality of the BluRay, I saw it on a 54″ plasma and for the most part the picture was crystal clear and quite sharp. There is definite DNR applied, smoothing out the actors’ wrinkles, and scenes involving a mix of live action and optical effects appear a bit softer and sometimes grainy (especially the V’Ger stuff with a lot of blue on the screen), but on the whole the presentation is miles ahead of the standard DVD. The special effects hold up quite nicely in HD and there’s a lot more visible details on the models and more of a sense of dimensionality. If the rest of the movies approach the quality of TMP I’ll be quite satisfied. Now, how about releasing the Director’s Cuts of TMP and TWOK?

72. SPB - December 13, 2009

2 MAJOR SCENES THAT T.M.P. WAS MISSING, THAT COULD HAVE MADE IT EVEN BETTER:

-They should have INCLUDED the scene of Kirk arguing with Admiral Nogura before taking command of the Enterprise, rather than having Kirk talking about it! Talk about a missed opportunity for some meaty character conflict!

-TMP should have included a scene (any scene!) of simply Kirk and Spock together, without McCoy or anyone else hanging over their shoulders. Where was the poignant scene of Kirk simply stopping by Spock’s quarters to ask, “How have you been? And why the cold shoulder?”

73. SPB - December 13, 2009

ALSO MISSING: EMOTIONAL DEVASTATION

Decker’s reaction to Ilia’s death and Spock’s single tear for V’Ger were completely lifeless and unmoving. If Decker needed a minute to compose himself, or if Spock had TRIED to hide his emotion (rather than making a dramatic show of it to Kirk), the human drama would have worked that much more.

As is, those scenes underscore what an essentially cold movie TMP is regarded as.

74. Brandon - December 13, 2009

#23 & 28: That, and to think shag carpeting was all the rage back then!

75. bill hiro - December 13, 2009

Nimoy was so slim …

76. Captain Rickover - December 13, 2009

The obove wormhole sequenz is far better as the movie version or the DC-version. I wish they would have cut that into the DC and combine it with the VFX.

77. Captain Rickover - December 13, 2009

# 71 TonyD

Yes, TMP (and the entire Phase II idea) was the prototype for TNG. Even the story from Encouter at Farpoint is more or less a rip-off of TNG. Roddenberry & Co used many unused ideas from Phase II for TNG. Riker and Troi are Decker and Ilia, Data is like Xon and the far wiser Kirk from the Phase II scripts is mirrored by the Picard from the 1st TNG-season (more agressive as in the later seasons).

I pretty sure if Star Trek Phase II would had become reality, we got a TNG-version with Kirk instead of Picard back in 1979.

78. Iowagirl - December 13, 2009

Cool video – thanks. Great to see how much (hand)craft and attention to detail was put into TMP.

79. Beck - December 13, 2009

I kinda feel sorry for Persis in the clip where she’s getting shaved :(

Then again, transformations are what actors are paid to do…

80. zirclet - December 13, 2009

Wow. Why in the HECK hasn’t that featurette shown up on any DVDs or the BluRay? Great stuff.

Anyone else notice that the level of sophistication increases in discussions around this particular film? I think that is a telling indicator of what TMP engendered, whether one considers the film ‘boring’ or not. TonyD/#71 says it best: “As far as I’m concerned anyone who disses this movie [...] at best never really got what the original show was about.”

Amen. This film and TNG had a unique Utopian appeal, refined and defined by Roddenberry, that fascinated audiences, and provided an almost subliminal ‘je ne sais quois’ that made these forms of Star Trek unique. They *showed* how humanity had evolved: later, less well written incarnations of Trek fell back on *telling* (just try and keep track of how many times Kate Mulgrew had to deliver inane lines like “We have a Prime Directive to follow”).

I love everything about ‘The Motion Picture’. From ‘Wrath of Khan’ on, these films focused on the more bombastic appeal points of Star Trek, and that’s fine- it obviously worked incredibly well for broad audiences. But I’m still glad that folks like me have the gentle, chilled-out pleasures of the ‘Motion Picture’ Star Trek world to covet and enjoy.

81. I, Mugsy - December 13, 2009

It’s gotta be said I thought it was a bit mean of them to continue filming when Ms. Khambatta was obviously pretty distressed and embarrassed by the whole head shaving ordeal.

Even more upsetting to learn she may well have been a victim of foul play.

Rest in peace.

82. Dances With Klingons - December 13, 2009

Robert Wise was a very visual director, just go and watch “The Sound Of Music” and everything he shoots in the camera is important. TMP’s first release was rushed by Paramount to get it out there. The Director’s Cut is much better and now TMP fits with the rest of the movies.

The story really was incredible and classic Star Trek storytelling. Perhaps that is why I like DS9 as a series too.

TMP got a bad rep back in 1979. I was in 6th grade and was so excited and loved the movie. Saw it many times in re-issues to the theater as a double feature with 1982′s Tron.

And if it were not for TMP, NG would have had a crappy theme. It’s on the Encounter at Farpoint soundtrack.

83. MC1 Doug - December 13, 2009

#31: “The only thing I genuinely disliked about TMP were those pajama uniforms”

Funny, I’ve always preferred the uniforms in ST TMP above all the others, especially the uniforms in ST TWOK – ST TUC! I despise those as they remind me, as I pointed out in another posting, the Gestapo! To me, they are ugly and very impractical!

84. Drew - December 13, 2009

#68
It would have been a great Borg origin movie… except for the fact the Borg knew nothing of Earth or humans 100 years later.

Apparently, neither the “aspect of the Borg” that found V’Ger nor the “aspect” V’Ger became was the one that appeared in TNG and beyond (nor had any of these aspects shared information!).

It’s a great idea that uses a great way to work around certain cannon restrictions of its implementation. Unfortunately, because we apparently never encounter both aspects referred to in TMP, there’s no payoff except for saving Spock from assimilation.

85. StarFuryG7 - December 13, 2009

#51 – The Comics and novels are not considered canon, and the current PTB have openly acknowledged that. At one point Orci commented that he felt the four-book Comic Book prequel to the latest movie, “ST: Countdown” should be viewed as canon material, then he took it back and acknowledged that it isn’t.

All of which doesn’t change the fact that nowhere has the connection between the V’Ger probe and the Borg ever been made anywhere on screen to date, and many Trek fans don’t read the comic books or the novels. I’m a big fan of Shatner’s, but I haven’t read his novels either, and while I knew he made that connection in one of his books (I was pretty sure), I wouldn’t consider that canon either even if I had read it.

86. Anthony Thompson - December 13, 2009

14.

LOL, you got that right! My first big TMP cringe moment. Another laugher was the transporter scene. “What materialized didn’t live long”. That a mere second or two after the Enterprise “lost” them. Awful!

87. Anthony Thompson - December 13, 2009

Why isn’t that documentary on DVD or Blu-Ray?

88. Anthony Thompson - December 13, 2009

And where are all the alien species which are depicted in the documentary? What happened? And what about that stunning costume that Ilia is wearing???

89. Oregon Trek Geek - December 13, 2009

Overall, my opinion of TMP has improved over the years, especially with the director’s cut. I would have cut even more though. Especially the cringe-inducing line of the transporter tech (who if I remember right was Shatner’s daughter). “he said something about scrambling molecules” or something like that. With a deer-in-the-headlights expression on her face….

Even the uniforms don’t seem as bad as they used to for some reason….

….but I still get the urge to turn it off sometime after Spock’s arrival on the Enterprise….

Other random thoughts: I don’t get Persis crying about her hair. It will grow back…. but hey I’m a guy and already bald for years…. and Star Trek 09 was just fine… anyone who vehemently hates it is taking all of this too seriously…

90. Anthony Thompson - December 13, 2009

That alternate wormhole scene is MUCH better than the one which was used (though the music is irritating).

91. siridi - December 13, 2009

hi, could someone explain to me the differences between the original film and the directors cut, please? just would like to know if its worth me getting hold of because it totally changes the tone of the film e.g superman 2 donners cut, or im i not missing much because theres only a couple of slight changes.

92. TonyD - December 13, 2009

#91 – Off the top of my head, changes in the Director’s Cut include:

- The opening credits are more spiffy; not just static title cards.

- Spock’s scenes on Vulcan were redone so that the planet was more in keeping with its appearance on the show and other movies (ie: no moons or other planets in the sky, more desertlike).

- The scene where Kirk first returns to the bridge is longer, with Sulu, Uhura and other crewmembers having a few lines. The scene where McCoy comes aboard is also longer with a little joke about the transporter.

- The effects during the wormhole sequence have been tweaked, including the torpedo being fired.

- The scene where McCoy confronts Kirk after the wormhole episode is longer and more tense.

- There are a few bits to the scene in the officer’s lounge after Spock comes aboard (the background was also redone so we can see the nacelles of the Enterprise thru the viewport.

- The scenes of the Enterprise going thru the V’Ger cloud are slightly truncated; some of the reaction shots of the crew have been removed.

- There are more character moments with Spock and the parallel stories of Spock and V’Ger both trying to come to terms with who they are are more fleshed out.

- There’s a couple of very nice shots of V’ger’, its cloud now dissipated, going into Earth orbit, allowing us to finally see what it looks like in its entirety. The effects of V’Ger firing its weapons at Earth were also redone.

- The scenes of the Enterprise crew stepping out onto the primary hull and walking towards V’Ger at the end are redone and more dramatic.

There are a few more tweaks here and there, but overall it’s just a tighter experience with more character moments, improved visuals, and a sound mix that is more in keeping with the old show. Definitely my preferred version and worth checking out if you have a chance; just don’t expect a radically different experience.

93. TonyD - December 13, 2009

Forgot to mention,

- The scene where Spock figures out that V’Ger has been attempting to communicate is longer and explained more clearly.

- Right before leaving the Enterprise to confront V’Ger, Kirk calls Scotty and issues General Order 2006. A short but very nice scene showing that if all else failed, Kirk still had one ace up his sleeve.

94. siridi - December 13, 2009

thats excellent information, thank you very much for taking the time tonyd, from what youve said, i think i maybe adding to “the shats” retirement fund in the morning. (assuming they still get royalties from this sort of thing). thanks again.

95. Ian B - December 13, 2009

#86

“Another laugher was the transporter scene. “What materialized didn’t live long”. That a mere second or two after the Enterprise “lost” them. Awful!”

Not necessarily. There’s a significant pause, long enough for the scrambled transportees to arrive on the transporters pads and die pretty much instantly, then one imagines the people in the other transporter room still staring in horror as the dialogue takes place.

96. dep1701 - December 13, 2009

That wormhole sequence was in a preview trailer from before the effects were completed, and the voices redubbed. In two ways it’s better; it’s more tightly edited, and the music ( although cheesy library stuff ) actually heightens the tension. It’s unfortunate that they didn’t have Goldsmith write some sort of tense underscore for the sequence.

I also remember a lot of people being baffled by that scene, and completely not understanding what was going on. One friend told me that he didn’t get why destroying an asteroid stopped the wormhole. I had to explain that the ship was going to collide with it before control was regained, but I did see his point. The timing of the asteroid destruction and the ending of the wormhole ( plus the fact that what was going on was being discussed onscreen in semi-technical dialogue ) made for a confusing scene, especially for those unfamiliar with ‘wormholes’, which were not common knowledge back in ’79 …in fact, this movie was where i first heard of the concept.

Too bad they didn’t just do the old series bit of having one character
( maybe McCoy ) blurt out “You mean that we’re going to hit that rock before we come out of this ?!!” while everyone else was doing their techno-speak, just to help the audience understand in layman’s terms what was going on .

97. Scott Gammans - December 13, 2009

That first behind-the-scenes video was interesting to me because that was the smaller Enterprise that was built for the aborted series that they were working on–NOT the eight-foot model used in the motion picture as the narrator suggests.

These are some of the only images of that abandoned model. You can tell it’s the older, smaller model because (a) just looking at the modelers standing next to it you can easily tell that it’s not eight feet long, and (b) the “Mickey Mouse ears” dual-turbolift command module atop the saucer is clearly visible (this was one of the biggest differences between the TV and motion picture versions).

98. AJ - December 13, 2009

92/91

Vulcan is actually much more dramatic. Instead of statue feet, you see a vista of giant statues wielding lirpas or whatever the heck they’re called. Many FX shots were tweaked, but not to the point that they pull you out of the film. Film grain was added back in to provide a consistent viewing experience.

99. dubb - December 13, 2009

Maybe they can make a new edition of the film, replacing some of the cloud reveal scenes with Persis getting her hair cut… because her reaction is pretty much how I feel watching some of this movie! (Just kidding!)

Where did that music come from in the cut of the wormhole sequence (posted on this page)?

#16 – love the idea of Borg evolving from V’ger or the machine planet!
#17 – agree 100% about models vs. CG.

100. MC_Trekkie - December 13, 2009

There is a recut version of Star Trek V running around the Web. (A “Phantom Edit”)

Jack Marshall did it (formerly of Cawley & company’s New Voyages/Phase II).

No Sybok 1/2 brother stuff, proper deck numbers etc.

It’s years later and with more material and better tools- does anyone want to take a crack at redoing the Original or directors cut of TMP? Some ideas or reported plot rumors on this thread aren’t half bad.

As seen in some of the books, the original planned look for V’Ger could have been quite menacing. Such a brief glimpse in the Directors Cut.

I once took a crack at playing with the Rock Monster from the TrekV Special edition DVD, and with the right music/quick cuts was kind of fun to toy with.

This would have to be a labor of love- but a good challenge- and would be something to look forward to as we have …. so long to wait… for JJ’s next Trek.

101. CoolPT - December 13, 2009

34: I thought one of the WORST scenes in Star Trek movie history was in Star Trek V when they time warped around the sun and those awefull looking head cloud images came up and spun around. Added NOTHING to the scene or the movie!! P U.

102. Ralph F - December 13, 2009

TMP (The Director’s Cut) remains my favorite TREK, naysayers notwithstanding. I usually take WTOK in a poll; that’s the popular thing to do, but I like the science fiction/promise of tomorrow aspect of TMP. I wanted to see that world — the Trek universe just after the V’Ger incident and up until TWOK (which seems like a few retreads of TMP were thrown in — why would Kirk take the position of Admiral again after TMP?). There are a number of novels set in this timespan (which depending on how you look at it spans anywhere from 8 to 15 years from TMP to TWOK). Beyond TOS, that’s where the “meat” of the original crew TREK is for me.

103. Ralph F - December 13, 2009

Two points to add:

* If you’ve not seen the Director’s Cut, do yourself a favor and get it. It can be had for around $22 used via Amazon, or $10 via download (Amazon or iTunes).

* If you’ve not read the novelization, read it. It adds a lot to the movie, definitely, but a lot to how Roddenberry saw the Trek universe evolving. A lot of it is grounded in the mindset of the 60s/70s (“New Human” movement and all that) but much much more on character development, the E herself, and the growth of Starfleet and the Federation.

104. Dr. Image - December 13, 2009

#69- Yes, that was the Doug Trumbull ending. He put forth the idea, but it got shot down.
Notice in that documentary, the E sports different sensor domes. This was before the Trumbull mods. So this was an interim E, between the Brick Price Phase II version and the final.
Also notice how they cut the 70′s pointy collars off of McCoy’s uniform.
They also kept the hairstyles very conservative compared to what was prevalent at the time- a very wise (ok- pun intended) move in keeping things looking less dated.
#83- Well! Someone who agrees about the uniforms! I liked them too. Unlike the TWOK doorman uniforms, they would make perfect sense aboard a climate-controlled “starship environment.”
PS THANKS Anthony for the TMP coverage! Absolutely love it!

105. Gorn Captain - December 13, 2009

Roddenberry’s making of TMP book details the day Persis Khambatta got her head shaved. She was a very emotional person in real life, and there was a concern her hair might not grow back the same way it was.

I’ve been around enough people getting chemo treatments to know losing your hair even temporarily is an emotional issue.

What you don’t see in the video is Majel Barrett off to the side, giving Persis emotional support.

The long gone IDIC page had photos of what was supposed to be the Phase II Enterprise hanging in a Planet Hollywood, so it must still be around somewhere.

106. Sci-Fi Guy - December 13, 2009

#104, 105 — Brick Price worked on the STPII model — not any version for STTMP. Brick Price’s shop Wonderworks “finished” the model at one point — but they changed the model to make it look more like the TMP Enterprise. The model was not true to either one once they finished it.

I would have preferred they finished it as it was intended to be for STPII.

They basically ended up ruining the model — at least as it was intended to be originally.

107. Sci-Fi Guy - December 13, 2009

The featurette has some really cool early behind the scenes footage. Notice how they are blowing up the Klingon ships — this was when Robert Abel and Associates were doing the visuals as that was how they were going to have V’Ger destroy the Klingon ships.

The Abel version of the Enteprise is also seen in this footage as well as footage of them shooting the infamous “trench” sequence.

This featurette is a very cool early look at the making of the film..

108. Magic_Al - December 13, 2009

I like this one of Walter, George, and Bill sharing a laugh. Or maybe Bill just blew his line.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp_other/setphotos/keonig_takei_laughs_tmp.jpg

109. Jeff Bond - December 13, 2009

The temp music in the alternate (i.e., early) version of the wormhole scene is the foot chase cue from Michael Small’s score to Marathon Man–it’s fantastic in the scene for which it was actually written, not “cheesy library music” at all.

The “Klingon attack” ending I believe was suggested by Andy Probert, not Doug Trumbull, as a way to not only add an action finale (Probert’s idea I believe was that it would be cut off with a “to be continued” thing to lead directly into a sequel) but to also demonstrate the saucer separation capability of the Enterprise. One thing I noticed recently is that there are shots of what look like Klingon makeup tests and I think a few of the background aliens (mostly used for the rec room briefing sequence) that are visible if you go through the rapid-fire imagery Spock experiences in his V’ger mind meld frame by frame.

I do agree TMP is the best sci fi film of the series, but then I don’t think any of the Trek films are particularly great as science fiction (Robert Wise’s The Andromeda Strain to me is a far better-directed and more intelligent science fiction movie). TMP does the most to take the future Starfleet/Federation setting and technology seriously. For fans for whom the tech and the “believability” of the Trek universe is the most exciting thing about Star Trek, TMP is the clear choice. It’s also the purest demonstration of Roddenberry’s utopian vision. But if you fell in love with the character interplay, the high drama and excitement of the original series, it’s a disappointing film. I still think the whole utopian vision thing makes for dull stories, movies and TV episodes. One of my all time favorite original Trek episodes is “Balance of Terror,” which contains fantastic conflict ONBOARD the Enterprise. It’s a story Roddenberry wouldn’t have allowed during his tenure on The Next Generation because it contains a bridge officer who, let’s face it, is racially prejudiced. That makes for good drama, and I sometimes think fans get confused about the difference between good drama and good Star Trek. There shouldn’t be a difference but there often is.

110. Robert Bernardo - December 13, 2009

Jeff Bond wrote:

> It’s a story Roddenberry wouldn’t have allowed during his tenure on
> The Next Generation because it contains a bridge officer who, let’s
> face it, is racially prejudiced.

Yet, in Roddenberry’s own script, “The Omega Glory”, in TOS, we have Captain Tracey, an imperfect starship officer who seems prejudiced.

111. SPB - December 13, 2009

#108 -

Link doesn’t work. Access forbidden!

112. Anthony Thompson - December 13, 2009

92. TonyD

What do you mean by implying that Vulcan has no moons??? How did Spock see the implosion of Vulcan in ST09?

113. Nelson - December 13, 2009

Thanks for making that featurette available! That was great!

This is a wonderful series of articles on Star Trek The Motion PIcture. In many ways, the best film of the series and the one that re-birthed Star Trek.

It’s amazing in rewatching it that in many ways, this Enterprise felt bigger then the 2009 version! And without using a brewery. : )

114. Zebonka - December 13, 2009

@ 14.

Hell no. That award goes to the dune buggy scene in Nemesis, Roafo in Insurrection for going “NOOOO”, popping cherry tomatoes out of his nose and roasting comically as his space station exploded … the Dennis McCarthy soundtrack for Generations … hell, any scene with Shinzon in it. I would feel less awkward about showing the wormhole scene to a non-Trekkie than I would any of the aforementioned blunders. At least there’s some laughs to be had in the wormhole bit!

115. Rick James - December 14, 2009

Hard to believe its been 30 years since Star Trek: The Motionless Picture came out.

At least this movie introduced the best looking USS Enterprise ever. To date I have five different models of the Probert TMP Enterprise and NONE of the other incarnations of Enterprise. As far as I’m concerned I need not collect any other incarnation of Enterprise.

So cheers to 30 years of the best looking Enterprise ever and may she look just as good for another 30 years.

116. Ralph F - December 14, 2009

#115

Disagree with your assessment of the film but wholeheartedly agree with your statement on Probert’s take on the ENTERPRISE. The TMP-era style of vessel remains my favorite, but especially the E herself.

117. Author of The Vulcan Neck Pinch for Fathers - December 14, 2009

@109 – Jeff Bond

You are SPOT ON in your analysis of how Roddenberry would never have permitted a classic like Balance of Terror to be made in the pristine TNG era. It was a further demonstration that sometimes, Roddenberry’s “vision thing” was the biggest detriment to Trek’s success. And it was clearly TNG’s missing element, ultimately turning the Enterprise into the Flying Marriott of Utopian Bliss.

Bah.

Credible conflict is the core of great drama, and the imperfections inherent in humanity are arguably the whole point of drama – to make us think about our flaws on a broader scale. This utopian nonsense with which Roddenbery plagued TNG was, without question, its albatross.

118. Harry Ballz - December 14, 2009

Albatross? Wouldn’t a peaceful “vision” be best represented by a dove? :>)

119. Horatio - December 14, 2009

Re: Persis Khambatta’s baldness…

There was ALOT of buzz in the media when the film came out about having a bald woman as one of the principal characters of a major motion picture. For better or for worst it provided alot of chatter and attention for the film at the time.

120. Anthony Thompson - December 14, 2009

119.

A lot of *buzz*? LOL!

121. Andy Patterson - December 14, 2009

25

Second those thoughts. Persis Khambatta was great. I really wonder what the show would have been like if it had gone to TV instead. She would have been so interesting in that show. One of those Earth 22 moments.

122. Horatio - December 14, 2009

120

Wish I could say I intentionally wrote that!!

123. Lore - December 14, 2009

Now we know why Britney Spears shaved her head a few years ago. She heard JJ Abrams was making a new trek flick and TMP having been the only Trek flick she’d ever seen, she decided to audition.

124. Anti-Matter - December 14, 2009

@3 & 20

An edit of ST1 is underway at Digital Fanedits. I also considered cutting the wormhole sequence–if only to improve pacing–but you really need that sequence to properly motivate subsequent elements in the movie. Tossing the sequence creates new problems.

The version in the 2001 Director’s Edition is not bad. It was the original audio mix that really annoyed me; and Persis shaking in her seat was a bit too much, but that should be easy to correct.

125. JL - December 14, 2009

#10

omfg I cannot disagree more – - – the WORMHOLE SEQUENCE is the BEST SEQUENCE IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE!! (IMO) Instead of staring at a screen filed with endless V’Ger imagery, the crew is actually under immediate danger and they have to react. AWESOME FX AND VIBE with this sequence!!

126. JL - December 14, 2009

RE: WORMHOLE
I want to add one more thing. There’s an over the shoulder shot of Kirk, when he is turned facing away from the viewscreen – - as the wormhole starts its approach, it gives me chills almost… I have always loved that part, so dramatic. Shatner had some great moments there…. !

127. Dr. Image - December 14, 2009

#106 Yes. The PII Ent was completed, and ruined, IMO. I’ve seen it in person. i wish the original design would have been honored.

#109 Jeff- I stand corrected- have to check my Cinefx collection!

128. Andy Patterson - December 14, 2009

110

Ah “The Omega Glory”, …..one of my favorites. Despite what some say.

129. RobertZ - December 14, 2009

103 & 104 I agree with you. Would also add that the commentary track makes it well worth the effort to find the Director’s edition.

Something else I havn’t seen commented on is the beautiful poster art by Bob Peak. He also did art work for most of the TOS films.

130. RobertZ - December 14, 2009

oops I meant 102&103. Sorry.

131. jason - December 14, 2009

Once again, you guys are conflating technical brilliance with a good film overall… the wormhole sequence, watching people watch a viewscreen, the lack of real character conflict/development

as one reviewer said “This 1979 movie adaptation of the cult TV series is blandness raised to an epic scale.”

132. ATJ - December 15, 2009

How about this scenario:
Instead of Voyager VI coming into contact with the Borg, how about it coming into contact with the planet Cybertron (the all-spark ,machine planet) The Transformers then convert it to V’Ger by building a humongous spaceship for it and send it on its way as a gift to humanity for what the humans did for the Cybertronians in earlier centuries during the civil war of Cybertron.

“Optimus Rules!!!”

133. ATJ - December 15, 2009

The rest is history.

134. Brian Kirsch - December 15, 2009

This movie will always have a place in my heart, only because it was the first. I was born in ’62, so I missed TOS entirely. I only discovered it in syndication in the mid 70′s, and began my lifelong love of all things Trek.

I remember seeing it Christmas eve, 1979, at a matinee. I can still feel my disappointment to this day. The special effects blew me away, the story was bad and bored me. The wormhole sequence made me cringe with embarrassment, even at the young age of 17. Silliness, unnecessary. It still makes me cringe. The whole middle section (V’ger flyover) bored me. It still does. The ending seemed rushed, incomplete, unexplained. It still does.

I think the love of this film is due to it being the first, and to nostalgia. The flyover of the Enterprise alone made fans for life, even if the rest of the film sucked. Which it pretty much did. Evaluate the film, objectively. Go even further, and evaluate it as a story, acting, etc. It’s not that good, folks….

I will say the Enterprise never looked more beautiful. And I happen to love JJ’s Enterprise too. The problem is the shift from models to CGI. CGI will never compete with actual models in my eye. Had JJ’s Enterprise been filmed as an actual model, it would compete with the TMP version. CGI can’t compete with the physical, despite what James Cameron would like you to believe.

135. JD Moores - December 15, 2009

Even as a Trek fan, I’ve always resented anyone claiming to KNOW what would constitute a “progressive,” “enlightened” humanity. I, frankly, find little appealing about a society in which individual drive, ambition and accomplishment mean little more than the resulting personal satisfaction, which I can’t imagine would be much since there would be so few obstacles to overcome.

As entertaining as it is, and even granting its appeal, the Federation in Star Trek is little more than the dream of a successful, long-term actualization of pure Socialism / Communism, with Starfleet being its instrument of enforcement. Essentially, the idea has existed since Roman times, but the program is the united Earth’s Federation. But, like the idelogy itself, which owes much of its justification to Darwinism and would not likely or successfully admit so many “religious beliefs” in practice as depicted on Star Trek, it can’t be actualized in its pure and originally-intended forms and winds up riddled with contradictions – for instance, the second season Picard offering to pay for dinner while the series pilot not only denounces physical money but denies its existence in the 23rd century, effectively making it impossible for anyone to “pay” for anything.

Bottom line, in part because limited resources is the reality of the Earth, there are more “have nots” than there are “haves” in this world, so the dreams and ideals of the “have-nots” is assumed and accepted by default to be the definition of progress and enlightenment. One’s equality, though, is another’s prison and the taking away of everything that makes life meaningful for those that have actually put the education and team work that everyone encourages to use to support themselves and lead rewarding, successful lives. We’re all supposed to stay in school and what-not, and yet, what are we told to work for: A world in which it doesn’t matter save for the ideal that everyone should be motivated by anything OTHER than need or material possession.

I like “Star Trek: TMP,” but I think it falters for the same reason that Roddenberry’s intended vision for “Star Trek” never quite made it, which is that it’s fundamentally ill-supported by vague idealism without the courage to admit what it would take to reach that kind of utopian existence – namely, a command and control of all resources and types on the part of a few to be shared with many which, in reality, usually requires what Roddenberry abhorred and what came to define Communism as much as it ever did Fascism: MILITARY MIGHT AND VIOLENT CONFLICT OR THE THREAT OF IT. Thus, it’s unconvincing taking itself seriously and, as we all know, the series immediately began emulating “what is” more than what a few think it should be, i.e., a naval fleet and the realities of a world and a universe in which ambition, struggle and heroism have higher stakes and stand for more than just personal accomplishment and satisfaction.

136. RobertZ - December 15, 2009

In the book INSIDE STAR TREK-The Real Story by Herbert F. Solow and Robert H. Justman, Mr. Justman wrote:

“Star Trek’s creator employed the show’s stories, allegorically, to further his optimistic premise that “there will be no Armageddon for mankind” and that “the future is bright.” His ideas and the future he created convinced me that, sociologically speaking, he was the most advanced thinker I had ever met. Genius had touched him.”

I think Mr. Roddenberry was a firm believer in the individual and our species and I think this view comes through overall in the various Star Treks.

There is no guarantee our species will reach the maturity he envisioned or something much greater.

It was Ghandi I think that said, “We must each be the change we want to see in the World.”

137. ATJ - December 16, 2009

Star Trek offered hope for the future for humanity while addressing real-life current issues we were experiencing in the present (ie. AIDS,DRUG ADDICTION,HOMOSEXUALITY,RACIAL PREDJUDICE,WAR,etc.). This is why I enjoyed the series/movies very much.

138. KenMullen - December 16, 2009

Has there ever been any of the footage of the special effects that was shot by Abel and Associates before they where given the boot? Is there any remnants in the final movie?

139. StarFuryG7 - December 16, 2009

Why is it that the Jack Marshall re-edit of “Star Trek V” isn’t available?

140. Charles H. Root, III - December 17, 2009

Where are the Bud beer vats in engineering in the first video?

141. SarahJM - December 19, 2009

@120 lol!

142. BringBackTheShat - January 24, 2010

I just found this great site about ST The Motion Picture and deleted scenes, etc. Here is a photo of Captain Kirk being attacked by crystal life forms before Spock phasers them off of him. I can’t believe they deleted this scene! http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/images/TMP/kirk_spock5.jpg
Here is the description and some photos of what they filmed!
http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/tmp_19.php

143. Hugh Hoyland - April 30, 2010

142 wow, I had heard about that sequence before (the memory wall). If TMP needed anything it would be more action scenes. But I think one of the main reasons they didnt finish that was because the FX crew working on it simply couldnt make it look better or more real, some said it kept looking like a couple of guys on strings so they stopped filming it. I had also read about the proposed Klingon battle scene as a cliff hanger at the end of the movie, but my understanding was they simply ran out of time and had to put the movie out as it was, ready or not.

144. Hugh Hoyland - April 30, 2010

IMO the original script “In Thy Image” was far more interesting than the overly re-written script for TMP was. It was more clever, had room for action, and would have had the Vessel name N’SA (after NASA, to make the audience figure it out) instead of V’GER so there wouldnt have been any silly dirt removel Kirk scene that “explained it all.

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