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	<title>Comments on: TMP@30: Rare Video and Photos From Star Trek: The Motion Picture</title>
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		<title>By: Hugh Hoyland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Hoyland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 02:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO the original script &quot;In Thy Image&quot; was far more interesting than the overly re-written script for TMP was. It was more clever, had room for action, and would have had the Vessel name N&#039;SA (after NASA, to make the audience figure it out) instead of V&#039;GER so there wouldnt have been any silly dirt removel Kirk scene that &quot;explained it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO the original script &#8220;In Thy Image&#8221; was far more interesting than the overly re-written script for TMP was. It was more clever, had room for action, and would have had the Vessel name N&#8217;SA (after NASA, to make the audience figure it out) instead of V&#8217;GER so there wouldnt have been any silly dirt removel Kirk scene that &#8220;explained it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Hoyland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Hoyland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 02:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>142 wow, I had heard about that sequence before (the memory wall). If TMP needed anything it would be more action scenes. But I think one of the main reasons they didnt finish that was because the FX crew working on it simply couldnt make it look better or more real, some said it kept looking like a couple of guys on strings so they stopped filming it. I had also read about the proposed Klingon battle scene as a cliff hanger at the end of the movie, but my understanding was they simply ran out of time and had to put the movie out as it was, ready or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>142 wow, I had heard about that sequence before (the memory wall). If TMP needed anything it would be more action scenes. But I think one of the main reasons they didnt finish that was because the FX crew working on it simply couldnt make it look better or more real, some said it kept looking like a couple of guys on strings so they stopped filming it. I had also read about the proposed Klingon battle scene as a cliff hanger at the end of the movie, but my understanding was they simply ran out of time and had to put the movie out as it was, ready or not.</p>
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		<title>By: BringBackTheShat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BringBackTheShat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this great site about ST The Motion Picture and deleted scenes, etc. Here is a photo of Captain Kirk being attacked by crystal life forms before Spock phasers them off of him. I can&#039;t believe they deleted this scene! http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/images/TMP/kirk_spock5.jpg
Here is the description and some photos of what they filmed!
http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/tmp_19.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this great site about ST The Motion Picture and deleted scenes, etc. Here is a photo of Captain Kirk being attacked by crystal life forms before Spock phasers them off of him. I can&#8217;t believe they deleted this scene! <a href="http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/images/TMP/kirk_spock5.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/images/TMP/kirk_spock5.jpg</a><br />
Here is the description and some photos of what they filmed!<br />
<a href="http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/tmp_19.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/tmp_19.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: SarahJM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@120   lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@120   lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles H. Root, III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles H. Root, III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are the Bud beer vats in engineering in the first video?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the Bud beer vats in engineering in the first video?</p>
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		<title>By: StarFuryG7</title>
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		<dc:creator>StarFuryG7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that the Jack Marshall re-edit of &quot;Star Trek V&quot; isn&#039;t available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that the Jack Marshall re-edit of &#8220;Star Trek V&#8221; isn&#8217;t available?</p>
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		<title>By: KenMullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>KenMullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has there ever been any of the footage of the special effects that was shot by Abel and Associates before they where given the boot?  Is there any remnants in the final movie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has there ever been any of the footage of the special effects that was shot by Abel and Associates before they where given the boot?  Is there any remnants in the final movie?</p>
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		<title>By: ATJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek offered hope for the future for humanity while addressing real-life current issues we were experiencing in the present (ie. AIDS,DRUG ADDICTION,HOMOSEXUALITY,RACIAL PREDJUDICE,WAR,etc.). This is why I enjoyed  the series/movies very  much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek offered hope for the future for humanity while addressing real-life current issues we were experiencing in the present (ie. AIDS,DRUG ADDICTION,HOMOSEXUALITY,RACIAL PREDJUDICE,WAR,etc.). This is why I enjoyed  the series/movies very  much.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the book INSIDE STAR TREK-The Real Story by Herbert F. Solow and  Robert H. Justman, Mr. Justman wrote:

&quot;Star Trek&#039;s creator employed the show&#039;s stories, allegorically, to further his optimistic premise that &quot;there will be no Armageddon for mankind&quot; and that &quot;the future is bright.&quot;  His ideas and the future he created convinced me that, sociologically speaking, he was the most advanced thinker I had ever met. Genius had touched him.&quot;

I think Mr. Roddenberry was a firm believer in the individual and our species and I think this view comes through overall in the various Star  Treks.

There is no guarantee our species will reach the maturity he envisioned or something much greater.

It was Ghandi I think that said, &quot;We must each be the change we want to see in the World.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the book INSIDE STAR TREK-The Real Story by Herbert F. Solow and  Robert H. Justman, Mr. Justman wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Star Trek&#8217;s creator employed the show&#8217;s stories, allegorically, to further his optimistic premise that &#8220;there will be no Armageddon for mankind&#8221; and that &#8220;the future is bright.&#8221;  His ideas and the future he created convinced me that, sociologically speaking, he was the most advanced thinker I had ever met. Genius had touched him.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Mr. Roddenberry was a firm believer in the individual and our species and I think this view comes through overall in the various Star  Treks.</p>
<p>There is no guarantee our species will reach the maturity he envisioned or something much greater.</p>
<p>It was Ghandi I think that said, &#8220;We must each be the change we want to see in the World.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JD Moores</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD Moores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even as a Trek fan, I&#039;ve always resented anyone claiming to KNOW what would constitute a &quot;progressive,&quot; &quot;enlightened&quot; humanity.  I, frankly, find little appealing about a society in which individual drive, ambition and accomplishment mean little more than the resulting personal satisfaction, which I can&#039;t imagine would be much since there would be so few obstacles to overcome.  

As entertaining as it is, and even granting its appeal, the Federation in Star Trek is little more than the dream of a successful, long-term actualization of pure Socialism / Communism, with Starfleet being its instrument of enforcement.  Essentially, the idea has existed since Roman times, but the program is the united Earth&#039;s Federation.  But, like the idelogy itself, which owes much of its justification to Darwinism and would not likely or successfully admit so many &quot;religious beliefs&quot; in practice as depicted on Star Trek, it can&#039;t be actualized in its pure and originally-intended forms and winds up riddled with contradictions - for instance, the second season Picard offering to pay for dinner while the series pilot not only denounces physical money but denies its existence in the 23rd century, effectively making it impossible for anyone to &quot;pay&quot; for anything.  

Bottom line, in part because limited resources is the reality of the Earth, there are more &quot;have nots&quot; than there are &quot;haves&quot; in this world, so the dreams and ideals of the &quot;have-nots&quot; is assumed and accepted by default to be the definition of progress and enlightenment.  One&#039;s equality, though, is another&#039;s prison and the taking away of everything that makes life meaningful for those that have actually put the education and team work that everyone encourages to use to support themselves and lead rewarding, successful lives.  We&#039;re all supposed to stay in school and what-not, and yet, what are we told to work for: A world in which it doesn&#039;t matter save for the ideal that everyone should be motivated by anything OTHER than need or material possession.  

I like &quot;Star Trek: TMP,&quot; but I think it falters for the same reason that Roddenberry&#039;s intended vision for &quot;Star Trek&quot; never quite made it, which is that it&#039;s fundamentally ill-supported by vague idealism without the courage to admit what it would take to reach that kind of utopian existence - namely, a command and control of all resources and types on the part of a few to be shared with many which, in reality, usually requires what Roddenberry abhorred and what came to define Communism as much as it ever did Fascism: MILITARY MIGHT AND VIOLENT CONFLICT OR THE THREAT OF IT.  Thus, it&#039;s unconvincing taking itself seriously and, as we all know, the series immediately began emulating &quot;what is&quot; more than what a few think it should be, i.e., a naval fleet and the realities of a world and a universe in which ambition, struggle and heroism have higher stakes and stand for more than just personal accomplishment and satisfaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even as a Trek fan, I&#8217;ve always resented anyone claiming to KNOW what would constitute a &#8220;progressive,&#8221; &#8220;enlightened&#8221; humanity.  I, frankly, find little appealing about a society in which individual drive, ambition and accomplishment mean little more than the resulting personal satisfaction, which I can&#8217;t imagine would be much since there would be so few obstacles to overcome.  </p>
<p>As entertaining as it is, and even granting its appeal, the Federation in Star Trek is little more than the dream of a successful, long-term actualization of pure Socialism / Communism, with Starfleet being its instrument of enforcement.  Essentially, the idea has existed since Roman times, but the program is the united Earth&#8217;s Federation.  But, like the idelogy itself, which owes much of its justification to Darwinism and would not likely or successfully admit so many &#8220;religious beliefs&#8221; in practice as depicted on Star Trek, it can&#8217;t be actualized in its pure and originally-intended forms and winds up riddled with contradictions &#8211; for instance, the second season Picard offering to pay for dinner while the series pilot not only denounces physical money but denies its existence in the 23rd century, effectively making it impossible for anyone to &#8220;pay&#8221; for anything.  </p>
<p>Bottom line, in part because limited resources is the reality of the Earth, there are more &#8220;have nots&#8221; than there are &#8220;haves&#8221; in this world, so the dreams and ideals of the &#8220;have-nots&#8221; is assumed and accepted by default to be the definition of progress and enlightenment.  One&#8217;s equality, though, is another&#8217;s prison and the taking away of everything that makes life meaningful for those that have actually put the education and team work that everyone encourages to use to support themselves and lead rewarding, successful lives.  We&#8217;re all supposed to stay in school and what-not, and yet, what are we told to work for: A world in which it doesn&#8217;t matter save for the ideal that everyone should be motivated by anything OTHER than need or material possession.  </p>
<p>I like &#8220;Star Trek: TMP,&#8221; but I think it falters for the same reason that Roddenberry&#8217;s intended vision for &#8220;Star Trek&#8221; never quite made it, which is that it&#8217;s fundamentally ill-supported by vague idealism without the courage to admit what it would take to reach that kind of utopian existence &#8211; namely, a command and control of all resources and types on the part of a few to be shared with many which, in reality, usually requires what Roddenberry abhorred and what came to define Communism as much as it ever did Fascism: MILITARY MIGHT AND VIOLENT CONFLICT OR THE THREAT OF IT.  Thus, it&#8217;s unconvincing taking itself seriously and, as we all know, the series immediately began emulating &#8220;what is&#8221; more than what a few think it should be, i.e., a naval fleet and the realities of a world and a universe in which ambition, struggle and heroism have higher stakes and stand for more than just personal accomplishment and satisfaction.</p>
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