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	<title>Comments on: Star Trek Nominated For SAG Stunt Award + Wins LV Critics Awards + Still #4 in DVD Sales</title>
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		<title>By: Moodo2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moodo2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Bana&#039;s villain is no comparison to Ricardo Montalban&#039;s Khan, I agree.  Many things were cut from the film that would have better explored Nero as a villain.  How long would you want the movie? 
 If you recall, in Shatner&#039;s book Star Trek: Movie Memories, Gene Rodden berry was not at all happy with the changes Meyer was making with his creation.  According to Meyer, Wrath of Khan was more militaristic than utopian, and it was an adventure movie-much like Star Trek 2009.  

I don&#039;t think for the movie to work was to make Nero as meaningful as a Khan. Take the Borg for example.  We don&#039;t need to know much about them.  They&#039;re amoral.  They destroy/assimilate everything in their path.  It works as a good villain.  Nero fits this well.  
Your super villain story will work better for the sequel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Bana&#8217;s villain is no comparison to Ricardo Montalban&#8217;s Khan, I agree.  Many things were cut from the film that would have better explored Nero as a villain.  How long would you want the movie?<br />
 If you recall, in Shatner&#8217;s book Star Trek: Movie Memories, Gene Rodden berry was not at all happy with the changes Meyer was making with his creation.  According to Meyer, Wrath of Khan was more militaristic than utopian, and it was an adventure movie-much like Star Trek 2009.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think for the movie to work was to make Nero as meaningful as a Khan. Take the Borg for example.  We don&#8217;t need to know much about them.  They&#8217;re amoral.  They destroy/assimilate everything in their path.  It works as a good villain.  Nero fits this well.<br />
Your super villain story will work better for the sequel.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t agree: Basic philosophy behind Trek might not have been explored in The Wrath of Kahn. But it was not developed into another direction either. And Kahn only works because he is played wonderfully by Ricardo Montalban. Just compare the number lines of Kahn and Nero. Nero&#039;s dialogue fits on a credit card and half of what he says is &quot;Ahhhh!&quot; and &quot;Spooooock&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t agree: Basic philosophy behind Trek might not have been explored in The Wrath of Kahn. But it was not developed into another direction either. And Kahn only works because he is played wonderfully by Ricardo Montalban. Just compare the number lines of Kahn and Nero. Nero&#8217;s dialogue fits on a credit card and half of what he says is &#8220;Ahhhh!&#8221; and &#8220;Spooooock&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: moodo2</title>
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		<dc:creator>moodo2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ Abrams and Bob Orci/Alex Kurtzman have done what all Star Trek fans wanted......a GOOD Star Trek movie!  

To the critics of the 2009 movie-Keep in mind, Director Nicholas Meyer had to almost change the philosophy of Gene Roddenberry&#039;s vision of what Star Trek is to make it appealing to a wider audience in Wrath of Khan.  That movie barely stretches the gray matter as it&#039;s thesis is about vengeance (similar theme to 2009).  JJ Abrams simply did what Meyer already did before.....make Star Trek appealing to a wider audience!  And I think he accomplished that, without altering the basic philosophy of what we love about Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ Abrams and Bob Orci/Alex Kurtzman have done what all Star Trek fans wanted&#8230;&#8230;a GOOD Star Trek movie!  </p>
<p>To the critics of the 2009 movie-Keep in mind, Director Nicholas Meyer had to almost change the philosophy of Gene Roddenberry&#8217;s vision of what Star Trek is to make it appealing to a wider audience in Wrath of Khan.  That movie barely stretches the gray matter as it&#8217;s thesis is about vengeance (similar theme to 2009).  JJ Abrams simply did what Meyer already did before&#8230;..make Star Trek appealing to a wider audience!  And I think he accomplished that, without altering the basic philosophy of what we love about Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, but it&#039;s not about having the movie tailored to the hardcore fans. I was never implying that the movie should have been a pure fan-fest. On the contrary. I think with the terrific cast they could have gotten away with a complete reboot.

@64. denny cranium:  
One could argue equally well that the audience would have been even bigger if it had had a more intelligent story. I am of course happy that Trek is alive and kicking. But as I already said, that could have been achieved equally well, if not better with a better story. And I don&#039;t like the idea (I am not suggesting that you intended this), that you need to dumb-down a movie to make it commercially successful. That would be really sad. And in the present case I am not sure it would still be Trek if it continued this way. Let&#039;s see what the second movie brings.

And concerning the science part:

69. J. Pablo Fernández:
Yes it is called Science-Fiction, so thank you very much. But just to clarify. Of course I am aware that even Trek - like all Science Fiction - is not entirely scientific (hence the fiction part). Nobody is requesting this. Least of all me. But Star Trek so far at least incorporated known science and built fiction on top of it. Maybe except for some naive TOS episodes (but, hey, those were simpler times :-). But in ST 2009 there are things that are known today and plain wrong. This is upsetting to me. I mean, hey, just do that minimum amount of research. That really makes it look the writers didn&#039;t care or know themselves and just wanted to hook in all the morons that cannot distinguish a planet from a star -&gt; commercial success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, but it&#8217;s not about having the movie tailored to the hardcore fans. I was never implying that the movie should have been a pure fan-fest. On the contrary. I think with the terrific cast they could have gotten away with a complete reboot.</p>
<p>@64. denny cranium:<br />
One could argue equally well that the audience would have been even bigger if it had had a more intelligent story. I am of course happy that Trek is alive and kicking. But as I already said, that could have been achieved equally well, if not better with a better story. And I don&#8217;t like the idea (I am not suggesting that you intended this), that you need to dumb-down a movie to make it commercially successful. That would be really sad. And in the present case I am not sure it would still be Trek if it continued this way. Let&#8217;s see what the second movie brings.</p>
<p>And concerning the science part:</p>
<p>69. J. Pablo Fernández:<br />
Yes it is called Science-Fiction, so thank you very much. But just to clarify. Of course I am aware that even Trek &#8211; like all Science Fiction &#8211; is not entirely scientific (hence the fiction part). Nobody is requesting this. Least of all me. But Star Trek so far at least incorporated known science and built fiction on top of it. Maybe except for some naive TOS episodes (but, hey, those were simpler times :-). But in ST 2009 there are things that are known today and plain wrong. This is upsetting to me. I mean, hey, just do that minimum amount of research. That really makes it look the writers didn&#8217;t care or know themselves and just wanted to hook in all the morons that cannot distinguish a planet from a star -&gt; commercial success.</p>
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		<title>By: TrekFanForever</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrekFanForever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@64.

Well said.  It would be selfish to have a movie tailored only to us fans.  Star Trek should deserves to have a universal appeal to non fans as well.  I think that JJ, Bob and Alex, created an appeal that the franchise has never had before and gave it new blood.  Star Trek is no longer on life support and I am happy for it.  Bring on Star Trek: Something Something, ASAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@64.</p>
<p>Well said.  It would be selfish to have a movie tailored only to us fans.  Star Trek should deserves to have a universal appeal to non fans as well.  I think that JJ, Bob and Alex, created an appeal that the franchise has never had before and gave it new blood.  Star Trek is no longer on life support and I am happy for it.  Bring on Star Trek: Something Something, ASAP!</p>
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		<title>By: TrekFanForever</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrekFanForever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The January issue of Wizard magazine has the movie poster (four colors w/ Nero, Kirk, Uhura and Chekov) on the cover and has named Star Trek the Best Movie of 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The January issue of Wizard magazine has the movie poster (four colors w/ Nero, Kirk, Uhura and Chekov) on the cover and has named Star Trek the Best Movie of 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: jas_montreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>jas_montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 64.

Hear, hear !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 64.</p>
<p>Hear, hear !</p>
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		<title>By: CarlG</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarlG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7: &quot;Did anyone else weep during the DVD commentary when JJ described the opening title sequence and the score and how it was designed to indicate that Star Trek was back? No? Oh, uh, then neither did I.&quot;

Yeah, who would have a reaction like that? 
*shifty eyes*
On a completely unrelated note, can I borrow a kleenex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7: &#8220;Did anyone else weep during the DVD commentary when JJ described the opening title sequence and the score and how it was designed to indicate that Star Trek was back? No? Oh, uh, then neither did I.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, who would have a reaction like that?<br />
*shifty eyes*<br />
On a completely unrelated note, can I borrow a kleenex?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Pablo Fernández</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Pablo Fernández</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Pete, why would anyone crucify you? Science Fiction is supposed to have science on it, it&#039;s not called crap fiction. Not sure if the other star treks are much better than this one in this regard. You are welcome to voice those kind of opinions on http://isitsciencefiction.com/items/star-trek-xi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Pete, why would anyone crucify you? Science Fiction is supposed to have science on it, it&#8217;s not called crap fiction. Not sure if the other star treks are much better than this one in this regard. You are welcome to voice those kind of opinions on <a href="http://isitsciencefiction.com/items/star-trek-xi" rel="nofollow">http://isitsciencefiction.com/items/star-trek-xi</a></p>
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		<title>By: StarFuryG7</title>
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		<dc:creator>StarFuryG7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#67 - :::Sigh::: Yeah, not exactly one of the better, more innovative choices for that particular setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#67 &#8211; :::Sigh::: Yeah, not exactly one of the better, more innovative choices for that particular setting.</p>
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