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	<title>Comments on: Harlan Ellison Wants You To Know He Is &#8216;Not Looking&#8217; For Job On Star Trek Sequel</title>
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		<title>By: P Technobabble</title>
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		<dc:creator>P Technobabble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>93.  T&#039;Cal

        I get that you don&#039;t dig his attitude, and you are entitled to limit yourself in any way you want.  The point I was trying to make was, of course, the opposite of yours.  But you are killing the messenger and ignoring the message.
         Let&#039;s imagine, for a brief moment, that you had no idea who Harlan Ellison was.  You&#039;d never heard of him, but as a sci-fi fan, a friend suggests you read this story, &quot;The Beast That Shouted Love At the Heart of the World,&quot; or &quot;I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream!,&quot; or one of his other gems.  And you came away from that story feeling something, having something to think about, thinking what a heavy story that was.  Remember, you have no idea who this writer is, but the story you just read is a memorable one.   
           That&#039;s something to enjoy.
           I&#039;m not trying to change your mind, just open it a little.  The planet is swarming with pompous asses, and you sound like one too, when you end your debate with &quot;Carry on now.&quot;  I could debate this matter, or any other matter, for as long is it goes on, I don&#039;t need to &quot;carry on.&quot;  I understand it bothers you that Harlan Ellison says stuff you don&#039;t like, but it doesn&#039;t bother me, or many other fans of Ellison.  He can say whatever he wants, as we all are supposed to be able to do here in the good ole USA, and then one either takes him personally or listens to him the way one listens to Don Rickles.   I don&#039;t take him personally, and you shouldn&#039;t either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>93.  T&#8217;Cal</p>
<p>        I get that you don&#8217;t dig his attitude, and you are entitled to limit yourself in any way you want.  The point I was trying to make was, of course, the opposite of yours.  But you are killing the messenger and ignoring the message.<br />
         Let&#8217;s imagine, for a brief moment, that you had no idea who Harlan Ellison was.  You&#8217;d never heard of him, but as a sci-fi fan, a friend suggests you read this story, &#8220;The Beast That Shouted Love At the Heart of the World,&#8221; or &#8220;I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream!,&#8221; or one of his other gems.  And you came away from that story feeling something, having something to think about, thinking what a heavy story that was.  Remember, you have no idea who this writer is, but the story you just read is a memorable one.<br />
           That&#8217;s something to enjoy.<br />
           I&#8217;m not trying to change your mind, just open it a little.  The planet is swarming with pompous asses, and you sound like one too, when you end your debate with &#8220;Carry on now.&#8221;  I could debate this matter, or any other matter, for as long is it goes on, I don&#8217;t need to &#8220;carry on.&#8221;  I understand it bothers you that Harlan Ellison says stuff you don&#8217;t like, but it doesn&#8217;t bother me, or many other fans of Ellison.  He can say whatever he wants, as we all are supposed to be able to do here in the good ole USA, and then one either takes him personally or listens to him the way one listens to Don Rickles.   I don&#8217;t take him personally, and you shouldn&#8217;t either.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>93. T&#039;Cal: &#039;Wow! Just, wow! You brought that stuff to the table, not me…or anyone else that I read here, for that matter. The guy’s a pompous ass. That’s all. And that’s enough for me to ignore him and his work. Carry on now.&#039;

And that makes you sound like an ignorant ass! So, if Hemingway wasn&#039;t a particularly nice guy, his writings should be ignored? Because Richard Wagner indulged in anti-Semite rants, his music should be ignored?

Sorry, that&#039;s desperately ignorant. Move out of the &#039;Trek-sphere&#039; and see the real world outside it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>93. T&#8217;Cal: &#8216;Wow! Just, wow! You brought that stuff to the table, not me…or anyone else that I read here, for that matter. The guy’s a pompous ass. That’s all. And that’s enough for me to ignore him and his work. Carry on now.&#8217;</p>
<p>And that makes you sound like an ignorant ass! So, if Hemingway wasn&#8217;t a particularly nice guy, his writings should be ignored? Because Richard Wagner indulged in anti-Semite rants, his music should be ignored?</p>
<p>Sorry, that&#8217;s desperately ignorant. Move out of the &#8216;Trek-sphere&#8217; and see the real world outside it!</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Ballz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Ballz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#92

 &quot;Any sexist derogatory remark about [Sarah Palin] may go completely unchecked&quot;

Sexist? No, the criticism is not because she&#039;s a woman, but because she&#039;s a five-alarm moron! Very dangerous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#92</p>
<p> &#8220;Any sexist derogatory remark about [Sarah Palin] may go completely unchecked&#8221;</p>
<p>Sexist? No, the criticism is not because she&#8217;s a woman, but because she&#8217;s a five-alarm moron! Very dangerous!</p>
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		<title>By: T'Cal</title>
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		<dc:creator>T'Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;62. P Technobabble - December 23, 2009

    53. T’Cal

    That’s a shame because Ellison wrote some of the best work I’ve ever read (and I’m sure there are many others who would agree). You’re preventing yourself from reading some fabulous literature.&quot;


You&#039;ve got that backwards. As good as his work may be, he has painted such an unappealing and unlikeable portrait of himself that I have no interest in reading his stories. 

&quot;...I’d like to know what, specifically, Ellison has done that is SO AWFUL? There are many, many people just like him on the planet, except they don’t have the media’s attention. Has this guy committed murder? Has he been involved in kiddie-porn? Has he had adulterous affairs? Has he committed crimes against humanity?&quot;

Wow! Just, wow! You brought that stuff to the table, not me...or anyone else that I read here, for that matter. The guy&#039;s a pompous ass. That&#039;s all. And that&#039;s enough for me to ignore him and his work. Carry on now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;62. P Technobabble &#8211; December 23, 2009</p>
<p>    53. T’Cal</p>
<p>    That’s a shame because Ellison wrote some of the best work I’ve ever read (and I’m sure there are many others who would agree). You’re preventing yourself from reading some fabulous literature.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got that backwards. As good as his work may be, he has painted such an unappealing and unlikeable portrait of himself that I have no interest in reading his stories. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I’d like to know what, specifically, Ellison has done that is SO AWFUL? There are many, many people just like him on the planet, except they don’t have the media’s attention. Has this guy committed murder? Has he been involved in kiddie-porn? Has he had adulterous affairs? Has he committed crimes against humanity?&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow! Just, wow! You brought that stuff to the table, not me&#8230;or anyone else that I read here, for that matter. The guy&#8217;s a pompous ass. That&#8217;s all. And that&#8217;s enough for me to ignore him and his work. Carry on now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fawkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fawkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look we don&#039;t want to incite hate here. Harlan Ellison and Sarah Palin are the exceptions of course. 

Any sexist derogatory remark about the later may go completely unchecked. The above venom re Elison is evident.

Point out the political references in a discussion on Avatar however, a film that though i enjoyed was clearly preaching at a political level and you are pushing the boundaries or violating forum rules. 

Staying away from negatives should be encouraged but should also be consistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look we don&#8217;t want to incite hate here. Harlan Ellison and Sarah Palin are the exceptions of course. </p>
<p>Any sexist derogatory remark about the later may go completely unchecked. The above venom re Elison is evident.</p>
<p>Point out the political references in a discussion on Avatar however, a film that though i enjoyed was clearly preaching at a political level and you are pushing the boundaries or violating forum rules. </p>
<p>Staying away from negatives should be encouraged but should also be consistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>84. Michael Hall: &#039;meanwhile, his defenders (including the usually eminently sane and reasonable S. John Ross and Dennis Bailey) apparently feel obliged to make their own case by trashing the ethics and talent of the guy who created, nurtured, and fought for (if far from single-handedly, or perfectly) the franchise that has brought so much joy to the lives of everyone who posts here, themselves included.&#039;

No one&#039;s denying Roddenberry was good ideas man as a producer, but the obsessive worship given an ordinary bloke who was, frankly, a one-hit wonder is OTT. A lot of the &#039;Great Bird of the Galaxy&#039; stuff was a myth perpetuated by Gene Roddenberryhimself  at the expense of the many talented people who brought Star Trek to the screen!

Harlan Ellison is an irascible old sod, but is genuinely a huge talent and deserves every indulgence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>84. Michael Hall: &#8216;meanwhile, his defenders (including the usually eminently sane and reasonable S. John Ross and Dennis Bailey) apparently feel obliged to make their own case by trashing the ethics and talent of the guy who created, nurtured, and fought for (if far from single-handedly, or perfectly) the franchise that has brought so much joy to the lives of everyone who posts here, themselves included.&#8217;</p>
<p>No one&#8217;s denying Roddenberry was good ideas man as a producer, but the obsessive worship given an ordinary bloke who was, frankly, a one-hit wonder is OTT. A lot of the &#8216;Great Bird of the Galaxy&#8217; stuff was a myth perpetuated by Gene Roddenberryhimself  at the expense of the many talented people who brought Star Trek to the screen!</p>
<p>Harlan Ellison is an irascible old sod, but is genuinely a huge talent and deserves every indulgence!</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus God Almighty this guy is such a NUISANCE.

He&#039;s the sort of cantankerous old coot that will only find peace when he&#039;s dead and buried.

I&#039;ve only read a few reports re: his unacceptable behavior and I feel like I&#039;ve been exposed to a lifetime of sorrow and misery. So sick of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus God Almighty this guy is such a NUISANCE.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the sort of cantankerous old coot that will only find peace when he&#8217;s dead and buried.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only read a few reports re: his unacceptable behavior and I feel like I&#8217;ve been exposed to a lifetime of sorrow and misery. So sick of him.</p>
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		<title>By: JERRY</title>
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		<dc:creator>JERRY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different strokes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different strokes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: fansince66</title>
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		<dc:creator>fansince66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great writing didn&#039;t begin, nor does it end, with H.E.
Can we move on now, with life, Star Trek, and stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great writing didn&#8217;t begin, nor does it end, with H.E.<br />
Can we move on now, with life, Star Trek, and stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Robert April</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Robert April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, before Harlan starts musing over writing a Star Trek movie with JJ, maybe he should start a bit smaller, like maybe a Lost or Fringe script, and find out what it&#039;s like working with the latest wunderkind to come down the pike.

I suspect the glowing opinion of Mr. Abrams will drop a few orders of magnitude after actually working with him, and seeing what JJ does to one of his brainchildren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, before Harlan starts musing over writing a Star Trek movie with JJ, maybe he should start a bit smaller, like maybe a Lost or Fringe script, and find out what it&#8217;s like working with the latest wunderkind to come down the pike.</p>
<p>I suspect the glowing opinion of Mr. Abrams will drop a few orders of magnitude after actually working with him, and seeing what JJ does to one of his brainchildren.</p>
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