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What Do Trekkies Want In The Star Trek Sequel? – TrekMovie Polling Gives A Clue December 24, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Editorial,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

What do Trekkies want for Christmas? Well, a great sequel to this year’s Star Trek movie would be a good start. The follow up is 2 1/2 years away, but work on the script is likely start in earnest in January. Over the last few months TrekMovie has conducted a number of polls regarding the sequel, with some interesting results. See below to find out what the people are saying.


Polling Trekkies?
Star Trek fans are notoriously a finicky bunch, known to nitpick and debate over just about everything. So it is no surprise that there are few things where there is consensus, however our polling often has a majority or clear plurality for each question. That is not to say that the film makers should develop the sequel based on polling, as that way lies madness. However, it can at least be educational and perhaps informative as to what is working for the fanbase. Although the new Star Trek movie (and sequel) must work for a general audience, the core fanbase is still a big part of the Paramount bottom line. Polling on this site shows that most fans saw the film multiple times, with many brining friends, and a majority purchased (or plan to purchase) the DVD or Blu-ray.

NOTE: TrekMovie is the #1 Trek news site so visitors should be considered a representative cross-section of the core fanbase, however web polling is not scientific.



We have conducted many polls over the last few months dealing with the sequel. Below the findings from the various polls are broken down into various categories. The actual polling data is also available below the summaries.

The Basics: Star Trek Something Something in 2012 directed by Abrams

Although fans aren’t happy about it, they are accepting of the three year wait for the next Trek, but more than that and fans will get anxious, with only 31% saying ‘take as long as it needs’. As for the title, a clear majority (66%) seems to like Abrams suggestion of returning to the Title + subtitle (aka Star Trek: Something Something) like was done for the TNG era films. Only 19% of those polled liked my personal preference of having a Trek sounding name, but no actual ‘Star Trek’ in the title (like the Batman Begins sequel The Dark Knight). And even though he hasn’t decided yet, over three out of four fans want JJ Abrams back in the directors chair for the sequel.

Fans want JJ back for "Star Trek: Something Something"

The Cast & Characters: More McCoy, don’t need Shatner or Nimoy

When they sit down to write the script a big question Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman will have to wrestle with is which characters to include in the film and how much time to devote to each. When it comes to deciding who should have more screen time than they did in the first film, a majority of fans (56%) want to see more of Karl Urban’s irascible Dr. McCoy. The only other character worth noting for more time would be Scotty, who got 14% of the votes in our ‘more screen time’ poll.

In addition to the returning main crew, there will likely be some additional original series characters. In the past the writers noted that other TOS characters were in early drafts for the first film, who could also work their way into the sequel. Given a number of choices for possible original series female characters, fans were most interested in seeing Nurse Christine Chapel, originally played by Majel Barrett. She picked up the majority of votes, with Janice Rand a distant second at 16% and Barrett’s other character ‘Number One’ (seen only in "The Cage" and "The Menagerie") getting 11%. The rest of the choices of female TOS characters only grabbed single digits. As for an additional male character from the original series, the biggest vote getter was Gary Mitchell (Kirk’s best friend from "Where No Man Has Gone Before") who nabbed a third of the votes, but the second highest vote getter was ‘none’. So perhaps there is a bit of a feeling that there are enough familiar male faces in the crew already.

Of course one of the most talked about subjects with regards to the first Star Trek was the inclusion of Leonard Nimoy and the exclusion of William Shatner. Director JJ Abrams has said he is open to anything for the sequel. As for the actors, Nimoy has said he would read a script if he was asked, but he doesn’t expect to be involved. However, Shatner seems to again be lobbying for a ticket to the final frontier. But when fans were asked what guest star from previous Treks should be involved, the biggest vote getter was ‘none’ at 41%. Shatner came in second at 24% and TNG’s Patrick Stewart was the only other in double digits with 12%. Nimoy garnered just 8%. Reading between the lines and from comments, it may be said that fans would like some kind of guest star link to the past, but it really isn’t necessary in the sequel.

Trekkies want more Urban, not sure on Shatner

The plot: More Character, continuity and Klingons

The most basic question for the plot of the next film is the time setting. Only 11% of fans feel the sequel should take place immediately after the first film (like they did with Star Trek III and Star Trek IV). There isn’t a majority vote for how long of a gap, but 40% think within one year and 36% feel one to two years so basically fans want to see the movie kick off somewhere into the  mission with the crew having a bit of experience under their belts. There has also been some talk about the next two sequels being closely linked together. This notion is popular, as Star Trek fans like continuity, but a majority (52%) feel that the link should be subtle, with a bit over a third feeling the next two films should be linked like a ‘two-parter’.

Another popular idea that has been discussed by the film makers is the notion of making the sequel a modern day allegory, which was often done in the original series in the 60s. But again, most fans also want some subtlety. While over three out of four fans like the idea of an allegory, 41% feel it should not be heavy handed. So no ‘message movie’. When looking at the mix of action, humor, sex appeal, sci-fi and character, fans want to see more character moments in the sequel. 41% would like to see a bump up in building the arcs for the heroes, with the second most popular answer being 29% saying the sequel should have the same mix as the first.

Another big debate for the Star Trek sequel is the matter of the villain. Although much of the talk has been about bringing back Khan, when asked specifically about the return of the genetically superior megalomaniac, 69% feel that Trek has been there and done that. In fact only 5% want to see Khan again as we know him with the rest feeling that if he is brought back it should be a different spin. However, if the film does end up with Khan, most agree that No Country For Old Men’s Javier Bardem would be an ideal or acceptable choice for the role.

So who should the villains in the sequel be? One word: Klingons. Given a broad choice of classic Star Trek villains (including Khan) half of the fans picked the Klingons. They are the big bad guys from the original series and Kirk’s greatest enemy in the show and the six TOS movies, so it makes sense. Coming in a very distant second would be to have a new race of villains, which garnered 10% and all others (Borg, Romulans, Cardassians, etc) could only muster single digits. As for the look of the Klingons three out of four were happy with the designs seen in the deleted scenes although a plurality (40%) would like to some little updates.

Who needs Khan when you can have Klingons for "Star Trek: Something Something"

Bottom Line

Even though Trek fans are a diverse group, there are some areas of consensus for the next Star Trek. Polls show that the first movie worked well with the vast majority of the installed base and they are ready for more (of course it still has its detractors). Fans are hoping that the Abrams team go deeper into the characters we love and bring in some more familiar faces. But in the end, fans want the team to stretch their legs and not just make this film series into a greatest hits album (hence the resistance to going back to Khan). It is going to be an interesting couple of years as we go through the whole process all over again with rumors, real news, ups, downs and all the stuff that makes Star Trek fun.

The fans are looking forward to getting to know the crew all over again


(from http://trekmovie.com/about/index/pollsarchive/)

Top answer for each poll is bolded


Feel about Star Trek sequel in 2012?

* No! Cant wait! (30%)
* 2012 is OK, but no longer (39%)
* Take as long as needs (31%)

Star Trek sequel title?

* Star Trek + subtitle (like ‘Star Trek: First Contact’) (66%)
* Star Trek + verb (like ‘Batman Begins’) (14%)
* No ‘Star Trek’ in title (like ‘The Dark Knight’) (19%)

Preference for director of Star Trek sequel

* JJ Abrams (77%)
* Other director (23%)

Who should get more screen time in Star Trek sequel

* Kirk (7%)
* Spock (3%)
* McCoy (56%)
* Uhura (3%)
* Scotty (14%)
* Sulu (2%)
* Chekov (2%)
* Same mix as first (14%)

Guest Star in next STAR TREK movie?

* William Shatner (24%)
* Leonard Nimoy (8%)
* Other TOS actor (1%)
* Patrick Stewart (12%)
* Brent Spiner (5%)
* Other TNG actor (1%)
* A VOY/DS9/ENT actor (9%)
* No Star Trek guest stars (41%)

TOS era crew-woman to add for Star Trek sequel?

* Christine Chapel (52%)
* J.M. Colt (1%)
* Elizabeth Dehner (1%)
* M’Ress (4%)
* Marlena Moreau (1%)
* Number One (11%)
* Janice Rand (22%)
* Other (2%)
* none, enough crewmembers already (7%)

TOS era crewman to add for Star Trek sequel?

* Arex (9%)
* Ben Finney (2%)
* DeSalle (3%)
* Lee Kelso (0%)
* Kyle (10%)
* Gary Mitchell (32%)
* Dr. M’Benga (5%)
* Kevin Riley (10%)
* Other (7%)
* none, enough crewmembers already (21%)

Plot & Villain

How long after STAR TREK should the sequel be set?

* Immediately/shortly after final scene (11%)
* Within 1 year (40%)
* 1-2 years (36%)
* 3-5 years (10%)
* more than 5 years (2%)

Star Trek sequel as modern-day allegory?

* Great idea, worked for TOS (33%)
* OK, but not heavy handed (41%)
* No need, just a good story (26%)

Star Trek sequel should have

* More action/fights/space battles (13%)
* More character moments (41%)
* More sci-fi concepts/technology (14%)
* More humor (1%)
* More sexy scenes (2%)
* Keep same mix as first film (29%)

Should next two Star Trek films be linked?

* Yes – integrated like two parts (37%)
* Little bit – only subtle links (52%)
* No – totally stand alone (11%)

Khan in Star Trek sequel?

* Yes, he is the superior villain (6%)
* Maybe, but with a different spin (25%)
* No, been there, done that (twice) (69%)

(Javier Bardem as new Khan? (If Khan in sequel)

* Perfect (46%)
* He’ll do (33%)
* Prefer other actor (21%)

Villains for Star Trek sequel

* Klingons (49%)
* Romulans (3%)
* Khan & Genetic Augments (5%)
* Other TOS era villain (10%)
* Borg (6%)
* Cardassians (1%)
* Other TNG era villain (0%)
* Internal Federation villain (8%)
* New race villain (10%)
* Force of nature villain (9%)

Should deleted scene Klingon design be used for sequel?

* Love them, use design for next movie (32%)
* OK, but make some changes (40%)
* No, start over with new design (28%)



1. Kenneth of Borg - December 24, 2009

More McCoy, don’t need Shatner

2. screaming satellite - December 24, 2009

merry xmas all

gotta have Khan in the sequel (imo) – right at the end Joker style with the botany bay – all set up for Trek 3

main villains – Klingons (star treks ‘joker’…i guess thatd make Khan Treks ‘Riddler’)

3. Federali.Aundy - December 24, 2009

Hahaha #2.. Yeah maybe Khan should ally with some Klingon’s and the Borg decide to send Locutus back in time to join them all in hopes of assimilating Kirk… Then Q can show up and screw the whole thing over. Happy April Fools! Wait, forget all that. Wrong holiday…

4. GarySeven - December 24, 2009

Star Trek sequel as modern-day allegory?

* Great idea, worked for TOS (33%)
* OK, but not heavy handed (41%)
* No need, just a good story (26%)

I’m one of the 33%. I would like to point out that three-quarters of fans want an allegory, unlike the 2009 film. And that the ones that want it to be a I powerful allegory is more than the percentage that don’t want one at all. I hope the sequel is thought-provoking. I want to be entertained to be sure, but if I only wanted entertainment I don’t need Star Trek. If I want entertaining yet thought provoking cinema, I want my Star Trek.

5. rebecca - December 24, 2009

Hmmm. Hope Bob Orci’s reading!

6. screaming satellite - December 24, 2009

dont forget we need some big shot Starfleet Admiral dishing out orders to Kirk at some point just like in TOS –

Harrison Ford right?

7. HunterRex - December 24, 2009

Star Trek: Avatar

8. BringBackTheShat - December 24, 2009

Whatever you do, bring back Kirk Prime aka Bill Shatner and I’ll be a happy camper.

9. screaming satellite - December 24, 2009

#7 – nah Star Trek: Aliens would be more fun (for a Dark Horse style graphic novel anyway)

10. MDSHiPMN - December 24, 2009

Star Trek fans don’t know what they want.

Before this last movie was finished there were people saying they’d rather see the efforts put into a directors cut of Star Trek: Nemesis or a direct to DVD film starring Captain Riker. :)


No more Willy Wanka engineering please. I know they wanted all the free beer they could get from Budweiser to make the engine room but Bridge trusses and sewer pipes dont make a star ship morons. They must of had plenty to drink when they thought R2D2 would fit into this movie

12. screaming satellite - December 24, 2009

#7 (again) – actually ST Avatar has sorta been done has it not?

Oppresive human force tries to relocate alien natives for a natural resource to benefit mankind. Main character insurrects, falls in love and joins the natives to fend off the greedy humans.

13. MDSHiPMN - December 24, 2009

Although I guess we can unite on the whole brewery thing.

It does look horribly out of place as “engineering” huh? I want my Star Trek engineering back, the one with the big warp core tube thing. That one. Please.

14. fansince66 - December 24, 2009

That’s about the right mix of “ingredients”(the boldface suggestions).
I do hope JJ & Co. will give Mr. Greenwood quite a bit of screen time, as admiral Pike, in the sequel.

Hopefully, this sequel (ST12?) will build up tension with the Klingon Empire, so that the next sequel (ST13 or ST14?) will have more action/fights/space battles in it. Pursue the obvious scenario (Federation runs a UN-style intervention to save a “Pandora”-like planet from Klingon exploitation & conquest, turning into a hot & violent war); just do it very well, and it will succeed.

15. What is it with you? - December 24, 2009

I don’t care about any plot points but this….

Please use the Shatner/Kirk scene written for for first movie. Perfect pacing and tone. It would make a nice way to end the second movie, which should be about the team coalescing as a crew and finding their place in Star Fleet.

Kirk and Spock cement their friendship, after some hard times and second thoughts.

For the crew of the Enterprise, “The journey is home”.

16. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Trek2012 should be an adventure in which the Romulans attack the Federation in the belief that the Federation has been critically injured with the loss of Vulcan. Pike figures centrally in my script, in which he “goes rogue” with a Starfleet splinter group in order to defend the Federation despite the lassitude of the Federation Council. (Pike has already mentioned that Starfleet has gone soft.) Pike leads the Excelsior, an advanced battlecruiser, and a fleet of fourteen other starships outfitted with the latest in Federation weaponry. His mission goes awry as double-crosses abound. Pike’s mission gains adherents, however, and the Federation assumes a war footing. Against the events of the Prime timeline, the Organians appear to warn against Pike’s incursion, but Pike disregards them. The Enterprise under the command of James T. Kirk must save the Federation and, in the process, the captain who mentored him.

By the way, I’ve just seen Avatar. If there is one film that could best Trek2009 for Best Picture, it’s Avatar.

17. Will_H - December 24, 2009

I’m glad that the majority of people agreed that we needed more McCoy. I think this latest movie had too much Uhura. I know they wanted to throw a woman into the mix, but I think they simply swapped her for McCoy. Problem is when youre doing a movie based on a 60’s franchise you get stuck with the inequalities of the time to a point. I was also honestly much more impressed with Urban’s performance, even more in a way than anybody else. Also glad that there’s a clear “No Khan” majority. I think that would be a huge blow to the movie and us Trekkies. The Klingon’s havent been a villain at all since Generations and the Romulans have had two movies in a row now, enough of them. So I say either Klingons or something new. The only thing I disagree with on the polls is having JJ direct. I think he’s a great producer and would do a good job directing again, but I think if another, equally talented director, and one that knew Star Trek better *coughFrakescough* came along they should consider them, especially since it would mean having the movie done a year sooner.

18. toddk - December 24, 2009

Khan is the only way, I understand that klingons are popular but look at what happened to TNG and DS9 when they used klingons to death, Talk about been there done that. Khan gets 1 tv episode and 1 movie and some here are saying khan’s been overplayed. and why gary mitchell? he was only cool because he got godlike powers and he didnt seem all that different towards kirk and spock even before he went bright eyed. Kevin riley may be a good pal for chekov. I don’t mean in a silly way.

more screen time? laughed when kirk got only 7 percent..Imagine how shatner would have felt back in the 60’s when reading such a pole..You know what he would do..it would stick in his craw, Are you ready for the vote?

Bendaras would be the absolute perfect khan. for those who doubt me, watch a copy of “desperado”

19. Desstruxion - December 24, 2009

Shatner could appear as old Kirk. Who’s to say that the mission on board Enterprise B will end in this new Abramsverse the same as in the prime one. Shatner at his age now could play the alternate Kirk with whatever story they came up with. Don’t know if it’s a good idea but the fact that Kirk died in the prime reality means nothing in the new one. It may not happen.

20. VZX - December 24, 2009

It’s fascinating that I did not vote in those polls and yet I agree with everyone of the winning choices.

Yes, more McCoy!!!!

And I say NO KHAN and no need for guest actors from the old show (including no Shatner!)

Oh, and Bring-on the Kling-ons!

21. Desstruxion - December 24, 2009

I’d like to see Bakula as an old Archer at a proper commissioning ceremony for Enterprise. Just a cameo though.

22. Captain Hackett - December 24, 2009

Since I saw Avatar 3D today, I think the next Star Trek movie should be filmed in 3D.

BTW Avatar 3D is so awesome!

23. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

I agree, at this point, that Khan should NOT return unless it’s a crazy good story.

As for Bill Shatner…. (By the way, I’ve recently made some very good deals naming my own price through Priceline — it really works!) I want him to remain associated with Trek in a major way. Perhaps as part of a TV special, animated or no.

24. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

22, I also saw it in 3D, and yes, the next Trek should be both IMAX- and 3D-capable! IMAX 3D-capable, as well!

I think I would be in seventh heaven (Trek reference! Commander Decker, Dr. Taylor (STIV)), so to speak, if that were so.

Regarding Avatar: I think that some say that its messages — against imperialism, against ecological destruction, and against an overeager “war against terror,” for example — are heavy-handed. To this I say: Fie! Whether you agree with those messages or not, there are millions of people — billions, perhaps — who relish in the idea that Hollywood stands for something again. And to this, further, I say: Bravo.

May Trek, which helped blaze the trail for “message movies” in the modern era (e.g., STIV), also uphold this banner for the sake of humanity, peace, and justice!

25. Captain Hackett - December 24, 2009

Oh yes I forgot to add my most recent comment – I wish you all Happy Holidays! :)

26. The Angry Klingon (without a trenchcoat) - December 24, 2009

Ive seen Avatar at least twice before…the first time it was called Dances with Wolves and the second time it was called Last Samurai. The people singing its praises only prove what Ive said before: as long as it is pretty you dont care about substance or originality which is why the CGI mediocrity of Transformers 2 and the woefully lame Twilight: New Moon were also boxoffice gold. Standards, people…standards…..

27. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

There is more to a great movie than pure originality, 26.

Take Shakespeare, for example. Two of his best-known tragedies (Hamlet and Othello) involve mistakes committed by the hero.

The first time this was done, it was known as Oedipus Rex.

Of course, Oedipus only blinds himself.

On the other hand, did any of the previous movies feature a character who transferred his soul to another?

As the Bard himself said — and as, before him, the Bible said, there is truly nothing new under the Sun.


28. darrksan - December 24, 2009

I say more science and refited Enterprise.
Also pull it more way from TOS and more into it’s own world (new uniforms, new worlds, new tech, kill off some of the main crew).
Just go wild like other star trek would not.

It is a alternate reality, right…. I want to see the alternate world become even more and more alternate from TOS. I think it is the one thing missing from ST09.

29. Mike Stivic - December 24, 2009

Please no great big villain. Can’t we have a Star Trek with a mystery, a force of nature, or a complex antagonist that is not an evil baddy?

30. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

29, the “baddie” in my script would be Pike — a good man trying to do the right thing, but for the wrong reasons.

His redemption — against his initial wishes — also saves the Federation.

(Yeah, so this sounds an awful lot like Anakin/Vader to Kirk’s Skywalker. And this is wrong exactly why?)

31. cugel the clever - December 24, 2009

The Klingons have appeared far too often throughout all of the Trek series’ and movies. There is very little new to say about them and they don’t even seem so formidable any more.

Use a villian who has been underutilized in previous trek like the Kelvin Empire or those nasty centipede aliens who infested Starfleet Command in the first season episode of Next Gen.

32. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - December 24, 2009

I’m disappointed that people want to see MORE Klingons. Talk about “Been there, done that” (a hundred freaking times). Between the TOS Movies, about 90% of the TNG-era episodes (just about) and the other miscellaneous crap, Klingons have been DONE TO DEATH. I’d rather see a big-screen treatment of a classic TOS villain OTHER than Klingons. We’ve seen enough of those things.

Unless we’re talking about TOS-era Klingons (not the TNG-era Neanderthal Klingons)…now THAT is something that we hardly ever got to see. :)

But the powers that be (including fans, apparently) aren’t interested in originality, just the same-old same-old sh*t.

33. CmdrR Kringle - December 24, 2009

Scene One: Enterprise narrowly defeats a Klingon D-7, but not before the Klingons blow off both the Federation ships fugly nacelles.

Scene Two: While the E is getting more streamlined nacelles installed, Kirk hangs out at a space bar and meets evil Rand (not mirror, but different from the pineapple chick of TOS.)

Scene Three: The E and crew head off to check out some spacey weirdness… with conflict inevitable.

I’ll leave it at that for now. Something along those lines, and I’m a happy puppy.

34. SPB - December 24, 2009

Hmm. Last time we got STAR TREK without “STAR TREK” in the title, it was called ENTERPRISE.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh… no.

35. SPB - December 24, 2009

Klingons are to STAR TREK as Lex Luthor is to SUPERMAN.


36. somethoughts - December 24, 2009

Have the bad guy as Kirk and have him redeem himself thus earning respect from the crew/starfleet/universe and the audience.

37. Johnson9 - December 24, 2009

Serious continuing Gay Male character
Serious continuing Gay Male character
Serious continuing Gay Male character

38. SPB - December 24, 2009

One other thing I’d like to see, please:

Orci & Kurtzman sent back to screenwriting school.

39. Lt. Liz - December 24, 2009

Glad to see there needs to be more McCoy! He’s probably my favorite character(tiny bit ahead of Kirk) because of 09; I mean, seriously! I loved his scenes the most! And he played well off of everyone.

As for everything else said in the polls, I pretty much agree. I love Klingons… >:D

40. Mike Stivic - December 24, 2009

30, I like the idea to have Pike be the “bad guy”– of course, his intentions are good but he gets something wrong. If this were done, I hope it could be embedded in some kind of story that at least has elements of exploration.

37, I completely agree with you on that, but there’s an overabundance of male characters as it is. Definitely in a new Trek series though. In addition, depicting various characters as gay and having it be casual and natural would be great.

41. Steamblade - December 24, 2009

No Abrams, No Orci, No Kurtzman and completely redesign the Enterprise.

42. Ceti Alpha 5 - December 24, 2009

If they do use the Klingons…They have Kor as the main villian.


43. Ceti Alpha 5 - December 24, 2009

^should have Kor

44. somethoughts - December 24, 2009


If the story called for a gay male character, sure, but I wouldn’t want to see one just for the sake of having one.

To each their own, I would rather watch Kirk make love to a female or a man make love to a female. If done right, I suppose it could be a good allegory but I rather they explore other issues/space. It is not something, I would wake up and say gosh I want to watch that Star Trek with that gay character, but heck Broke Back Mountain was a success, so who knows. I know I am a hypocrite but 2 gay hot females would rock hehe :)

45. Nivenus - December 24, 2009

While I think this is definitely interesting data, which I agree with for the most part, I’d urge the writers not to bow to fan consensus. It’s good to look outside for ideas, but it becomes risky if the writers feel they have to follow the whims of the fans.

Many a good series has been ruined by trying to please too many people at once.

46. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

40, Pike + Exploration (Organians) + Mind-Blowing Space Battles — that would rock.

The “alternate” part of this Alternate Reality would see itself realized through the anti-canonical involvement of the Organians, who, in their wisdom, no longer think that human beings are worthy of whatever protection the Organians previously (in the Prime Timeline) thought advisable. In this reality, the Organians — the TOS version of the Q — believe that there is something amiss about the Federation and those who, like Pike, seem to fire first and ask questions later.

While the Organians fault the Romulans for attacking the Federation, they are privy to a secret that casts humanity in a much poorer light nonetheless.

Kirk must understand the strange secret the Organians conceal by seeking the truth in new civilizations — all while battling the Romulans and their allies, and saving Pike’s soul — as well as the soul of the Federation.

Star Trek: Redemption.

47. Alec - December 24, 2009


Please not for the sake of it. And definitely not in a blockbuster MOVIE. We have to remember that Trek 11 lifted the franchise of its deathbed; the franchise, however, is still very vulnerable. If the next one flops, this crew might not get another chance. We might not get another chance! And we, ourselves, should remember not to be too preachy: people simply have different moral values, which we, whichever side we’re on in the debate, ought to respect. We should respect the fact that many people (not myself) simply have a different moral view to the one you’re expressing, without their preaching any violence or ugliness whatsoever. If Trekkies want the sequel to make a lot of money, as much as possible, we should, thus, want to be somewhat conservative. This is again why any allegory must be treated with a great deal of care and not downplay one side of the debate. To highlight this difficulty, consider this. Torture, any form or extent of torture, is wrong, to some moral people, and should, thus, be proscribed on deontological grounds. Other moral people argue that torture is bad; but it’s lesser of two wrongs and can be justified on consequentialist grounds. The audience will comprise both camps here. Please tell me how you do a torture story without a significant percentage of the audience objecting on some grounds, given these differences of beliefs: with great difficulty, if it’s indeed possible.

This first rule of media is: give the people what they want. (Otherwise, they won’t buy it; you won’t make any money.)

48. somethoughts - December 24, 2009

Indiana Jones Adventure in space with a murder mystery with huge implications. Or just a pure sci fi alien invasion, enterprise and fleet versus them movie, at the heart of it with Kirk started intergalatic war because he got another warlords girlfriend/wife pregnant. Sorta like Troy I guess. Ship to ship combat, fist to fist combat ala arena/amok time music. Don’t cheap out, just go for the home run and try to make the best sci fi movie of all time.
Pretend you are writing for James Cameron.

49. Stephen - December 24, 2009

What ever happened regarding Star Trek fans wanting to be called Trekkers not Trekkies? Did we finally give up on this?

50. Alec - December 24, 2009


Do we really need Pike in the sequel? Would it even be a good idea? Like Obi-wan, Pike has essentially served his purpose vis-à-vis his pupil: Kirk. Pike has little left to offer our new heroes but the occasional bit of advice. Kirk is Captain now. Do we really want his supervisor looking over his shoulder? Moreover, we need big Hollywood names in the next film to attract a bigger audience and make more money…

51. Ashley - December 24, 2009

I’d like to see more of the ship in the sequel.. You hardly saw any of it in the movie. The bridge and transporter room were seen most, followed by a few areas of engineering, some corridors, a few brief tight shots of sickbay, and a communications lab? You could argue that the constant pace and tight shots put you in the middle of it, but I didn’t really feel that was the case. Some wide shots, or lingering on a location for a few moments would have a better effect in my opinion. I like to feel that they’re actually on a ship, and not a set where, if you swing the camera a few degrees to the right you’ll see the edge of the set. Anyway I’d like to see things like the briefing room, and crew quarters. Mess hall, jefferies tubes, etc. I want to know that they live and work aboard the ship and not just loiter on the bridge or hop off it to another ship or planet every other second. Plus, more staples of Star Trek such as landing parties, and routine mission stuff which I’d expect to see now that they’ve gotten settled in. And finally I’d like to see more ‘submarine action’ type stuff, both between ships and action within the ship. :)

And Nathan Fillion <3 should be in it somehow! :D

52. Dalek - December 24, 2009

Shat khan for the sequel in that order please.

53. somethoughts - December 24, 2009

Just make it so Kirk and Khan are friends, Khan goes through the Academy in 6months, gets power hungry and tries to conquer instead of liberate. Kirk is sent to retrieve Khan and the story ensues. Khan joins the Klingon empire at the end of the sequel to setup the final arc/climax in part 3.

54. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

46, Pike is the foil. Yes, he may be Obi-Wan, but even more appropriate might be to consider him as Yoda — gone bad.

This goes one better on Obi-Wan, since ol’ Ben never went rogue, although he did do the wrong thing for the right reasons. (He believed he could train Anakin just as well as Yoda. He was wrong.)

Yoda was in ROTJ (SW Ep VI), but before that he was in TESB (SW V), remember? Two SW movies.

And yet the central character is still Skywalker.

TESB introduced Yoda, and ROTJ concluded his arc. (The prequels are additional, besides, but a different story.)

ST’s twist on the mentor story is more like Yoda-meets-Anakin; the master becomes the apprentice, as the soul of Captain Christopher Pike, like Vader’s, hangs in the balance.

It may rile some to set Pike to be a “baddie,” but given that — presumably — he is redeemed, that should make his status loom ever larger — without necessarily increasing his screnen time. Besides, the larger backdrop of the war against the Romulans and the mystery of the Organians should stand that to good stead.

The hero with a thousand faces (apologies to Joseph Campbell) is still one James T. Kirk.

55. Hat Rick - December 24, 2009

^^ I meant that for 50, not myself. :-)

56. ryanhuyton - December 24, 2009

I get the feeling that the next film will feature Khan and/or the klingons. I don’t want to say the “Supreme Court” has decided yet, but for some reason I get the feeling it’s near the top of their list. If they choose Klingons, I would like to see a mix of both TNG and TOS era Klingons. And preferably Kor, Kang and Koloth as they appeared in the Original Series. Other Klingons can have the forehead ridges starting to return. As for Khan, I prefer Naveen Andrews from Lost, since he looks like a guy who could be charasmatic as well as dangerous,the key ingredients for the role of Khan. Also, I would like to see some Andorians, Gorn and Tholians. And somewhere down the road the Borg as well. The other main captains( Picard, Sisko, Janeway and Archer) have gone up against the Borg, so why not Kirk?

57. Allen Williams - December 24, 2009

in order of importance

1) no lens flares
2) no budwiser (get a real engine room this time. I want the warp core to be breathtaking)
3) completely original story (no khan or any villians in a specific story thats been done)
4) maybe a barely touch upon villan from TOS but with a new unrelated story (kang or kor)
5) the window was interesting, but i think its gotta go. either holographic (tng, vgr) or lcd/plasma like (but very large)

58. EFFeX - December 24, 2009

These polls sound about right to me, but I’m definitely part of the group to revise the Klingon look. I know people want to push this cannon thing hard for the TOS era, but let’s face the facts. Klingons are most remembered among casual fans for their TNG look. Please consider taking what was done in the deleted scenes and revising towards this look.

59. ryanhuyton - December 24, 2009

A few other things as well:

William Shatner: An appearance as Captain Kirk would be great ONLY if there is a logical and suitable place for him in the sequel. If J.J Abrams and co. can’t work him in, I won’t lose any sleep.

Allegory: The best way to mix an allegory into the story would be to do it subtly and let the audience make up their own minds whether they agree or disagree with a particular idea/dilemma/solution. Something similar to how the Dark Knight was made into an allegory.

Characters: I would like to see more female characters like Nurse Chapel. Also more McCoy would be great as well as having a bigger role for Uhura.

Engineering: An engine room that looks like a brewery was out of place on board a 23rd century starship as advanced as the Enterprise. Build a new set or at least use CGI to disguise the brewery.

Admiral Pike: I would like to see him in the next movie, but keep him in the wheelchair. Afterall, Star Trek was created to be inclusive for not only people of different colour, but disabilities as well (ala Geordi LaForge from TNG).

60. Xai - December 24, 2009


Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

61. DesiluTrek - December 24, 2009

A good movie involving Klingons — how about the Wrath of Organians?
The only way the Klingons have existed as the core “bad guys” of Star Trek has had to involve looking the other way at the omnipotent, pacifistic Organians. “Errand of Mercy” was great because in the end Kirk had to admit that humans still have warlike tendencies we have to fight, otherwise we can’t claim to be superior to beings like the Klingons. Let’s have a movie where humanity’s arrogance of superiority is questioned like that, not just assumed. This would also tie in with a quality of original Trek often bypassed now, that of running into civilizations superior to ours that we can learn from. Shows like DS9 made the galaxy too cozy with too many civilizations all coincidentally and conveniently at the same spacefaring level of development. How many times in original Trek were there aliens who had evolved beyond corporeal bodies?

62. The Guardian - December 24, 2009

Post # 41- Steamblade:

I completely agree!

63. SmokeyBones - December 24, 2009

I think the absence of Shatner made Spock Prime’s scenes better.
When Spock Prime sees off NewKirk before he and Scotty beam away to the Enterprise and NewKirk say something about time travelling is cheating, SpockPrime’s line :”I learned it form an old friend.” gets me choked up every time.
Awesome scene to watch for an old trekker like me.

No Shatner in the next movie please, it would only serve as a rehash of his appearance in Generations and would diminsh what his work in that movie and also take away from Leonard Nimoy’s fine performance in this movie.

Sorry Bill. :(

64. Flathead - December 24, 2009

I absolutely loved the Klingon helmets. It’s like they remember the ridges, but don’t necessarily have them. I want to see mostly smooth-headed Klingons in the next movie, though, since I can’t believe they pride themselves so much on them and let so many smoothheads run the empire in the TOS days if it’s only limited to outer colonies.

65. Bill Peters - December 24, 2009

I agree with #47 give us a Allegory but take it lightly, the more Advance you get in the more money this movie makes and the more chances at two more trek movies after the next one, Allegories are good when not heavy handed! if you end up ostracizing part of your audience you end up with less to take in and less of a fan base to build on.

Love to see the Klingon’s, Kor or Kang would be great!

66. Bill Peters - December 24, 2009

Parden me when I wrote Advance, I meant Audiences!

67. Rusty0918 - December 24, 2009

OK Here are my points:

1. If you *MUST* include Khan – you have to take a different angle on him.

2. Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman – here’s an idea: How a female for the Enterprise’s new chief of security (with a rank of lieutenant commander). Oh, and DO NOT put her in one of those goofy looking mini-dresses, have her wear trousers. Zoe Salanda can still have hers, so can half the background women. (How about “Fringe’s” Anna Torv?) Someone who will not put up with Kirk’s skirt-chasing antics.

3. Get rid of the Budweiser Engineering. *GAG* I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t work. Keep in mind that I am NOT saying it needs a glowing warp core. Something along the lines of Ryan Church’s sketches will work.

4. Don’t make Kirk too much of a cocky devil-may-care person. He’s got to have more professionalism.

68. Syd Hughes - December 24, 2009

Shatner, as long as it doesn’t feel shoehorned. I can’t think of a way, but I don’t write movies for a living…

A cameo by Scott Bakula’d be cool, too, but I’m not holding my breath.

Otherwise, I’m in agreement with the majority on everything.

69. No2Khan - December 24, 2009


70. sensor ghost - December 24, 2009

I want more McCoy and I want Chapel. That’s all I ask.

71. KD6DXA - December 24, 2009

I would like to see fewer “bad guys” and more exploration (strange new worlds).

72. Chain of Command - December 24, 2009

I’d like to see the new film go into the “smart science fiction” realm. There have been so many “Crew fights bad guy” installments in this series. It works for the Bond series (for the most part) but Star Trek was originally about ideas, the characters, their approach to the unknown and how those discoveries and experiences affected them. Having another “bad guy” would make this just another good vs. evil movie….we’ve seen that.

Don’t get me wrong. They could have a “bad guy” element in the next film, but I wouldn’t make it a “Kirk vs. Bad Guy” film. Maybe have the Federation dispatching the Enterprise to investigate some newly detected alien artifact, presence, development (whatever) and have the Klingons or some other “power” after the same thing.

I just think it would be cool to see the new “Crew” (and I mean “crew’ in terms of the writers and cast) take on something a little more “high-brow” and mature than just going the safe route and having another Khan-type knockoff.

I also think they need to put this movie further into the 5-year mission so that we can see the crew in a little more seasoned light. They can keep the “hip” edge they created in the new film, but also give these guys a real professional, no nonsense edge as well.

73. Rocket Scientist - December 24, 2009

Now that they’ve done the modern, edgy, action-packed adventure, I’d like to see something a bit more meaningful and not quite so frenetically paced. They did a great job of getting our attention with a very entertaining movie. I would hope (without holding my breath) that the producers and writers recognize the depth and scope of the universe they’re playing in and elct to explore its potential.

74. Harry Ballz - December 24, 2009

Have Tom Hanks (a big Trek fan) play a substantial role as somebody in Starfleet and bring in the Gorn……mix well. This would satisfy me.

75. Rocket Scientist - December 24, 2009

Oh, and refit, refit, refit the E. No brewery sets for engineering or the communications center. Make the bridge less busy looking, re-think that shuttlebay. That really messed with my sense of scale. My opinion only, but I’m bothered that the ship is said to be so much bigger than the Prime E. The exterior? I’m getting used to it. Looking forward to building the model kit so I can really get a good look at her.

76. Anthony Pascale - December 24, 2009

beleive it or not we did a poll on trekkie v trekker and the majority perfered trekkie with only like 30% preferring trekker, i forget but look for it in the archive. And I prefer Trekkie so this site uses Trekkie.

77. VOODOO - December 24, 2009

I want Shatner and Nimoy one more time.

78. Trekluver - December 24, 2009

The Khan poll is rigged! Khan must be in the next one! It is a mandate Mr. Orci! Klingons are soo overrated! Oh and if you guys go back to Rura Penthe please make it an ice world again because in one movie and twice in a TV series we saw rura penthe as an ice world that no one could live on the surface of. Glad that scene made the deleted scenes!

79. Trekluver - December 24, 2009

Oh yea and the Shatner polls are rigged too! The Shat must come back!

80. MDSHiPMN - December 25, 2009

An Enterprise refit is in order.

Red nacelle caps?

An Enterprise shaped Enterprise?

Subtle changes and it’d be great.

Damage from Narada and black hole should be good enough excuse.

81. Bring it ALL back! - December 25, 2009

As long as they recycle SOMETHING we’ve already seen I’m happy. Like the next one should have Shatner, Nimoy, Stewart, Klingons, Khan, and Tribbles. Any combination would be good, all of them would be GREAT – as long as we get stuff we’re familiar with.

it should also definitely be another time travel story. Can’t get enough time-travel. Time travel was a key feature in too many episodes to list, and in Star Trek IV, VII, VIII, & XI. (in fact, maybe they should change the name to “Space-Time Trek”. or just “Time Trek”).

Whatever they do, I do NOT want to see a straight up, non-time-travel exploration story in outer space. I do NOT want to see a wholly self-contained story that makes no references to other Trek characters/stories purely for the sake of making a reference. The villain/antagonist/threat MUST be something we’re familiar with – I do NOT want the source of tension, conflict, & adventure to be anything new.

How about Khan somehow gains command of some Klingons, and Captain Picard & Kirk Prime go back in time, pick up Spock Prime, and they all team up with the new crew to fight Khan and the Klingons, but the Borg show up from the future, then Picard, Kirk & Spock Prime, Khan, the Klingons, & the new crew all team up to fight the Borg with the cunning use of Tribbles! This is PERFECT. We get EVERYTHING we’ve already seen and are thus familiar and comfortable with. They should definitely do something like this.

Just do not…I repeat: DO NOT fail to give us something we’re not familiar with – we hate that. Star Trek isn’t about going new places or new stuff – it’s more like…comfort food. Trek fans want to see things they’re very, very, very familiar with…it’s comforting. Like an old, comfy blanky on a rainy day.

82. Lieutenant - December 25, 2009

I love this; I agree with most of these polls.

Although I would actually enjoy seeing Bill in the movie.

Would LOVE to see Christine! Klingons would be nice too, but I would like to see fresh villains as well.

Also, I like the lens flare, so it would be nice if they didn’t get rid of it. Toning it down is OK. But I think it adds a cool, futuristic touch.

Merry Christmas to all!! (Or, Merry Shatmas!! :))

83. Iowagirl - December 25, 2009

I want three Shatners in a row, Nimoy, and Prime Horta with her children! :)

84. Big E - December 25, 2009

I get the feeling that this might happen:

The Klingons are the bad guys for the next film. Why? Because, using the deleted footage, the story can then move into an obsession by the Klingons to obtain this new weapon.

Maybe it won’t happen as a story. But it is possible.

85. jvilmur - December 25, 2009

Hey guys, frequent reader rare commenter.
I love the idea of the Organians being brought back in for the sequel, I am also quite hip to seeing more of an exploration the universe.

A friend and I agreed one night that what we wanted to see more of again (after a 12 pack and 5 episodes of TOS) was “the strangeness” of space.
Cheers and happy familial/religious obligations to you all.

86. HORTA CLAUSE - December 25, 2009


87. DJT - December 25, 2009

Shorter skirts.

To keep in compliance with original canon, of course.


88. me - December 25, 2009

Hmm the main cast hasn’t enoughwomen (only Uhura)

Therefore my choice would be: A FEMALE VILLAIN!!

89. trekkie - December 25, 2009

However you musn’t forget what Star Trek stands for!
Star Trek always was a little leftie (prime directive, environmental protection – whales, freedom > security, against the relocation of only 600 people…)

What you have to do in order to make a good Star Trek allegory:
Create a good and persuasive villain. In the end Kirk and Spock decide e.g. against torturing, against “the end justifies the means”.
But make the villain so strong that the audience doesn’t know if Kirk and Spock are really on the right side and can understand the motives of the villain. Therefore you create a good mixture: No superficial black/white villain & a good allegory ;)

90. Simon - December 25, 2009

Khan’s “been there done that” but they want to see Klingons who’ve been in *EVERY TREK* film in one way or another?

Sheesh. Sometimes I really hate fanboys.

91. trekkie - December 25, 2009

“Khan’s “been there done that” but they want to see Klingons who’ve been in *EVERY TREK* film in one way or another?”

There are different Klingons, but there is only one Khan. ;)
And you won’t be able to win against STII. The direct comparison would damage STXII

92. Dunsel Report - December 25, 2009

No Klingons…

93. Janeway's knickers - December 25, 2009

Space battles. Shed loads of them. Fleets of federation starships.






94. Nata - December 25, 2009

Hey Anthony, you forgot this poll:
Start Date: July 11, 2009 @ 10:50 am

More Nimoy Spock in Star Trek sequel?

Yes, a major role (24%)
Yes, a small role (48%)
No (28%)

This poll shows that majority of the people visiting your site want more Nimoy in the sequel – yet the headline of your article claims otherwise.

The poll about guest stars was misleading as there was only one choice given for a guest star, and as Nimoy already had his turn, people were inclined to consider someone else.

But who’s to say there should be only one guest star in the movie?

95. Nata - December 25, 2009

And here’s one more missing poll, about Shatner:
Start Date: May 26, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Shatner in Star Trek sequel?

Absolutely! (25%)
Nice, but not needed (38%)
Don’t care (9%)
No way! (28%)

Again, a majority either want Shatner there or don’t mind with positive connotation if he will be there.

96. dogboy - December 25, 2009

The fact that BILLIONS of people on Vulcan could be murdered and it mean so little to the crew and the Star Fleet officials at HQ disqualifies this extension of the Star Trek series as legitimate. Forget about the inconsistencies, break from canon, etc. That can all be tolerated by remembering that Trek is, first and foremost, entertainment. But never has another Star Trek crew been so callous and thrill-seeking as this Y-generation bunch of “I want it now because I deserve it” yahoos.

It will never be “Star Trek” without some sense of humanity and integrity, a critical ingredient in the Gene Roddenberry vision.

97. dadaGuerilla - December 25, 2009

It’s all about the characters. Specifically, the trifecta of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Get that right and the rest falls into place.

98. screaming satellite - December 25, 2009

#93 – yeah id like to see RELIANT make an appearance as well….just a cameo – obviously not exactly as how it was in TWOK but enough of the design so fans will get it…

and a Klingon BOP too…been absent for the past 4 movies now…there was a time where it was in every movie…without fail

and maybe Starfleet can start building the Trek III mushroom spacedock as well – seen in the latest Ships of the Line calender (gotta pick one of those up at a discounted price post xmas!)

and also (not for the sequel …or even Trek 3) i wanna see how Kirk and Co would handle the Borg…….so if that was the 4th film in what 2018?? – thatd be a good 20 years since First Contact…high time the borg made a reappearence (man it sucks to think that far ahead…gonna stop doing that)

99. Janeway's knickers - December 25, 2009


100. rohrerbot - December 25, 2009

I was thinking about it last night. Definitely have the Klingons back…but wouldn’t it be cool to have…in the background….a leader by the name of Khan…..plot to take back Earth by leading the Klingons in attacking the Federation so that they would weaken it for him to take over Earth…but it is only revealed that it was Khan until the end of the movie. Since Vulcan is gone…a strong ally has been eliminated and gives the Klingons a chance to attack.

Also Carrol Marcus should be in the next movie:) Just saying:)

101. rohrerbot - December 25, 2009

Also forgot…it was a loooong drive home yesterday from the inlaws…..Klingons should be Klingons and kill…be warriors not these talky aliens and they would attack the first colonies on planets…maybe establishing a neutral zone for the first time???

102. Steve - December 25, 2009

The poll was definitely misleading. We the fans DO WANT Shatner and Nimoy in the sequel. In fact, I’m so frustrated over the Shatner debacle in the first film, that I have decided to boycott the sequel if he is not in it. That’s right, I won’t be seeing it. The scene written was perfect and should have been filmed and included.


103. Canadian Fan - December 25, 2009

#80 -The Enterprise is just great the way it is…I really liked it’s look. Star Trek had to change if it was going to continue so just enjoy the movies…enjoy the old shows and movies and just be happy that we have Star Trek.

104. Weerd1 - December 25, 2009

Mr. Kurtzman, Mr. Orci, Mr. Abrams:
Don’t listen to us. We are the most contradictory, hard to please set of fans on this, or likely any other planet. The majority of us think we speak for the majority of us as well- even when we are contradicting polling data and the opinions of the post right before us. Just tell another good story and keep true to the characters (though we will even argue about how you do this) and it won’t matter who your villain is or what guest star you bring in.

Though speaking ONLY for myself, THIS fan wants to see Jolene Blalock as T’Pring! ;)

105. The Original Animated Next Generation Deep Space Voyager Enterprise I-XI - December 25, 2009

I’ve said it once before but I’ll say it again:

My idea for a sequel would involve the start of a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire over a dispute over an uncharted region of the galaxy which leads to the Klingons being the aggressors. There would be a triumvirate of commanders on each side – on the Federation side Kirk, Pike (or a completely new woman commander), & Decker; on the Klingon side Kor, Koloth & Kang. There’s room for Dr. McCoy’s character to develop as the casualties mount on the Federation side, not to mention ample opportunity for him to say, “He’s dead, Jim” (I can’t believe they forgot to write that into the script for ST09!).. Why not introduce Nurse Chapel while we’re at it? In the midst of all this there’s conflict between the characters, especially between the Federation commanders with Decker being the more aggressive one, Pike or the new Female commander the more diplomatic one, with Kirk as the mediator the same way he’s been the mediator between Spock & McCoy, thus adding a small message of finding the balance between force & persuasion, a message of international cooperation.

How’s that for an all-in-one package for you?

106. Rusty0918 - December 25, 2009

Well I still say my suggestions have merit. I mean they almost have nothing to do with the story, but they’re very wise and thoughtful.

107. Rusty0918 - December 25, 2009

#96…you raise some good points.

The worst case scenario is if the sequel ends up being nothing more but “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” sloppily re-tooled for Trek with the “Star Trek” name slapped on it, if you get the gist.

108. Thomas - December 25, 2009

106. The Original Animated Next Generation Deep Space Voyager Enterprise I-XI

That’s an interesting idea for the next movie. It is admittedly a lot to pack into a single Trek movie, but I think it could have a lot of broad appeal. Is there anyone you personally have in mind for Decker?

109. Newman - December 25, 2009

I agree with you, Anthony! A Trek-sounding title without it actually saying “Star Trek” would be really cool.

My Christmas wishlist for the Star Trek sequel? Ok, since you asked:

1. Klingons
2. Nurse Chapel
3. Carol Marcus
4. New engineering sets.
5. Kirk struggling to earn the respect of both older officers and new trainees.

110. screaming satellite - December 25, 2009

other stuff we need in a sequel: (imo of course)

– proper full on climactic Kirk vs main villain fight – complete with shirt rip and drop kicks (im thinking like something similar to Trek III – although that didnt really have shirt rips or drop kicks!)…Kirk vs Nero and his henchguy in ST09 was over in a flash and kirk got his ass kicked – it felt like a prelude to something bigger (maybe like the brief car chase in Casino Royale led to Quantums big opening chase)

– TOS & movie music nods (Sol Kaplan fight music, Goldsmith & Horner rifts – not anything big – just a musical ‘cameos’)

– lengthy phaser ‘beams’….not star wars ‘blasts’

– warp trails – light travelling after the ship TWOK style…(not the rubber band TNG stuff)…..the BSG disappearing act was good in Trek09 but wouldnt mind some light shows

– more uniforms.. like Kirks green wraparound (this will sorta be Trek 2.0 ‘season 2′ after all)…field jackets etc

111. Ceti Alpha 5 - December 25, 2009

I agree with Weerd1.

112. No2Khan - December 25, 2009


Make it in 3D

113. No2Khan - December 25, 2009

111: All that stuff is groan worthy imo, still living in the 60s. I dont wanna see a re-hash of that embarrassing kirk vs gorn shirt ripping fight, unless you want every to laugh at the franchise again. If you crave that might I suggest bluerays of TOS?

114. Hat Rick - December 25, 2009

What Star Trek needs to incorporate into its movies can be summed up in one word:


The story arcs have to be big, and yet contain self-contained stories. (See: DS9; see also: Babylon 5.)

The stories must be meaningful with a lot at stake. (See: “All Good Things….”)

They must have a strong science fiction element that brings out emotions on the part of the characters and viewers alike. (See: “City on the Edge of Forever.”)

The vistas must be vast (unlike the Romulan capital city in Nemesis, which I thought was far too small to be the capital of a star empire) and they should make the contemporaneous viewer gasp at the sheer enormousness of it all. (See: any reasonable visualization of Asimov’s Foundation’s Trantor, the Galactic Capital; see also: Coruscant (Star Wars).)

The interplay of characters must be complex and true to form, and they must show us something true about human nature and existence. (See: The typical Star Trek episode or movie.)

The movie must interface with philosophical issues and yet be action-packed and exciting to the masses. (See: Star Trek IV.)

The movie must be a “must-see” event, capturing the imagination of audiences used to greater and greater spectacle and full of fast-paced events involving ships on a galactic scale. (See: Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith.)

And, lest we forget, there must be something there for the female fans of Trek, as well.

By the way, these are all things that Transformers: ROTF either never had, or screwed up royally. T:ROTF is a good example of what the next Trek sequel ought NOT to be (except for the box office take).

Merry Christmas and happy new year. Now, Messrs. Orci and Kurtzman — let’s get to work.

115. Oktoberfest - December 25, 2009

My thoughts are along the lines of:
1) furthering the new storyline,
2) redressing grievances from the first film,
3) inventing things that no Trek from 1966 to 2011 has ever done before, and 4) keeping as many doors as possible to potential storylines if the series of films continues past Trek2012.

1) Furthering the established “new” storyline:

The Vulcan race continues to exist in pockets of colonies throughout the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

Romulans do not like Vulcans. The Senate determines that there is no better time to eradicate them.

Outposts along the Romulan Neutral Zone are zapped. Kirk neutralizes the threat. New Spock sees the value of serving aboard a ship “made for peaceful exploration” but “capable of defending itself”. (Note: This is important later when he is offered a command, see below.)

Starfleet rebuilds after losing so many ships and personnel over Vulcan. We see vast new construction, and not just on Earth.

There are new starship configurations for much smaller crews, by necessity.

Admiral Pike dedicates the Vulcan Science Academy. For now, their vault houses surviving katras. The first task of the new VSA is simple: discover how to rebuild an entire race.

Pike also announces that Sarek is appointed Ambassador to the Federation for the “Vulcan Colonies”.

Pike also announces Starfleet’s intention to field an all-Vulcan crew aboard a new starship, the USS Intrepid. This is a very human gesture in defiance of great tragedy.

New Spock is offered command of the Intrepid but declines. If the Vulcan Colonies are to survive, he will do his part aboard Enterprise.

Kirk’s close friend and shipmate Gary Mitchell is given command of a vessel and accepts. (Note: This establishes the camaraderie between fleet captains, expands Trek stories beyond the Enterprise, and keeps the door open for a meaningful mission of aid or rescue in a later story.)

The vacuum left by the demise of Vulcan is filled, in terms of both Federation governance and Starfleet crew, by the Andorians and Tellarites (two of the four founding members).

Spock Prime considers locating a new Vulcan. Unfortunately, the best candidate is in the Beta Quadrant in disputed Klingon territory, beyond the boundaries of current Federation space. (Note: In his time, this planet had a thriving Vulcan colony.)

2) Redressing grievances from the first film:

Grievance 1) More McCoy! McCoy and Chapel: McCoy works fast to become the (human) authority of Vulcan care and physiology. He enlists Chapel as his Chief Nurse, because she’s had some experience with Vulcan medicine.

Grievance 2) More McCoy! McCoy and Kirk: McCoy fills the void left by Mitchell’s departure, and introduces him to a yound doctor, Carol Marcus.

Grievance 3) More McCoy! McCoy, Spock, and Kirk: Intimate, uneasy sequence in which Spock entrusts McCoy with personal Vulcan details that are necessary for McCoy’s research. McCoy reacts to the whole “marriage or challenge” description with disbelief at first, and later acceptance. (Note: Because an Uhura/Spock relationship is established, we cannot include dialogue in which Spock admits that his wife died on Vulcan.)

Grievance: Starship still (ie, the engineering brewery). The areas that we saw in Trek2009 are part of a vast engineering complex and do not replace, nor should be construed to be, our ideal of the “Big-E Engine Room”. In other words, all we saw was waste reclamation and liquid refiltering; part of engineering, but not the engine room. In Trek 2012 we follow Scotty from this mundane pipe-filled area, through a couple of doors and down a corridor, where we are treated to the awesomeness that is a starship’s drive center.

3) Inventing things that no Trek from 1966 to 2011 has ever done before:

Starfleet is desperate for ship-ready crews. Starfleet Academy lessens requirements, triples recruitment strategies, and streamlines core coursework, even to the point of discontinuing the KM simulation.

For the first time, Starfleet constructs a carrier stocked with lithe, maneuverable fighters. They are awesome. Kirk asks Pike for a couple for Enterprise.

Somebody PLEASE go to the bathroom.

Spock digs Hendrix. Kirk beeps outside Spock’s quarters, no answer. He walks in on Spock with the Vulcan Lyre, jamming to Jimmy. Spock thinks that human history is extraordinary and worthy of study; plus, he admits, Hendrix is fascinating. Kirk sees Spock in a new light, and says that he (Kirk) will make it a point to discover all that Vulcans have to offer as well. A short time later, the door to Spock’s quarters opens to reveal McCoy and Scotty, who stare in stunned silence as the Captain and First Officer are jamming. Scotty says, “I should have gone to command school.”

116. Hat Rick - December 25, 2009

Wow. Detailed! :-)

One thing I find fault with in many SF movies is the fact that they show only a few ships at a time. The most ships we’ve ever seen in Trek movies, for example, was in First Contact was during the Borg cube’s attack on Earth — and it was a quite good. But it wasn’t as amazing as the peak battle scenes we saw in Deep Space Nine. (See, e.g., the incredible engagement depicted in the following:


which, in some ways, rivaled the best of Star Wars.)

Now that Trek is back and a tentpole property — as proven by the box office numbers — we need to see the same kind of spectacle we saw in “Sacrifice of Angels” (DS9).

Ron Moore once said that he thought that, by the 24th Century, Starfleet had many, many thousands of starships. Even in the 23d Century, therefore, there should be thousands of starships filling the skies in major engagements. But you wouldn’t know that from the movies.

That’s something we need to know. And the budget should now be there to see to it.

117. Andy Patterson - December 25, 2009

Oh man, where to start?

Merry Christmas everyone.

118. Rocket Scientist - December 25, 2009

117. Hat Rick

Oh, man. Thanks for that video link–that was geek porn!!

119. Mel - December 25, 2009

I hope the next movie doesn’t include Klingons. I have seen enough of them. I prefer a less used villain. The Gorns for example. The Mirror Universe could also be quite cool or a conflict among different parts of the Federation or Starfleet. There must be some political and military consequences of the destruction of Vulcan.

120. Syd Hughes - December 25, 2009

I’d really like to see a story in which the wreckage of the Narada pops out of the other end of the red matter black hole in 2160 or so, maybe obliterating the Columbia NX-02 which is investigating (which would let the sequel open the same way Trek XI did), and landing on some planet or asteroid and staying undiscovered until today (2258).

Then, the wreckage and all its high-tech wonderfulness is discovered, and the Federation and Klingons, who’ve both seen what the Narada’s tech can do, are scrambling to get their hands on it first.

How’s that for a story setting? Writing credit to me, please :D

121. G - December 25, 2009

More cowbell.

122. SirBroiler - December 25, 2009

I know some are sick of time travel…but…

Pushed to his limits, and out of a sense of loyalty to Pike in TOS, Prime Spock was willing to risk his commission and his life to take over the Enterprise and return his former captain to Talos IV.

So, it would be safe to assume that even in this timeline – Alt timeline Spock, if pushed far enough (destruction of Vulcan, anyone?) would take extreme measures. Maybe influenced by Prime Spock (knowing more about Time Travel and the Guardian of Forever than anyone), who cannot deal with the guilt from Vulcan’s destruction – which is partially his fault (He helped develop the use of the Red Matter). Maybe Archer – out of his loyalty to T’Pol – assists as well?

Spock Prime + Spock + Archer + Guardian of Forever + Plot to Save Vulcan = GREAT MOVIE!

Oh…and Kahn at the end to lead into the third film.

123. Andy Patterson - December 25, 2009


That’s the answer right there.

124. Andy Patterson - December 25, 2009

Maybe see a proper treatment of all the life lessons and dynamic professors they made mention of so often in TOS and not “3 years later”.

125. G - December 25, 2009

@ 124. Andy Patterson – December 25, 2009


That’s the answer right there.

You know it, brother. GOTTA have more cowbell. It’s always a sure thing. It can’t go wrong.

126. CoolPT - December 25, 2009

NO MORE LENS FLARES!! That’s a good start…..

127. Bob Tompkins - December 25, 2009

True Trekfan wants it all-
A great sequel ASAP.
New TV series ASAP.
Direct-to-DVD movies ASAP.
If no series, TV movies ASAP.
Cable/Satellite TV is a great venue these days. Everyone who matters has it.
Get JJ, Orci, etal to commit to being the next Great Bird of the Galaxy, no matter the cost, an overseer for everything- like Roddenberry and BermanBraga, the two-headed monster. Both worked well in their heydays.

Late in the day but Merry Christmas or whatever your preference.

128. somethoughts - December 25, 2009

Curious what they will go with, alternate reality Khan, Klingon backstory, bermuda triangle in space or omnipotent humanity trial tests.

If they can somehow fuse Avatar with Aliens and Terminator/Titanic that would rock lol

BTW more crazy space jump silent noise type scenes and something that makes Jurassic Park look like a low budget Sunday afternoon cheesy movie.

This next Star Trek can be the biggest and best sci fi space movie ever or the worst one since Nemesis, no pressure.

129. Chris - December 25, 2009

I don’t think it should be a major plot point, but it would be great if it could be insinuated that Sulu is gay (i.e., a sgot of him in his quarters leaving behind a male partner or a pass of an intimate moment). This would be a great tribute to George Takei and the thousands of GLBT Star Trek who have felt hurt for decades from our general exclusion from Star Trek’s amazing vision of the future. I’m not asking for any focus on it, but to simply show the diversity of the crew in all forms. It would definately help modernize the franchise as well.

130. jas_montreal - December 25, 2009

I wonder which actors would well suite the roles for nurse chappel and Gary Mitchell. Anyone have suggestions ?

131. jas_montreal - December 25, 2009

@ 131…. actors and actresses*

132. Bring it ALL back! - December 25, 2009


How ’bout no. Didn’t Sulu’s kid show up in ST:VII? Just because Takei is gay doesn’t mean Sulu is. And how would that be a “great tribute” anyway? If sexual orientation really isn’t a big deal, than how is making the character’s orientation the same as the actor’s a “great tribute”? Making that connection implies that there is virtue in sexual orientation….or that the Single Most Important Defining Characteristic of George Takei, the One Thing about him that needs “tributized” is his sexual orientation. That’s just stupid.

When it comes to whether or not someone is a good person, sexual orientation DOESN’T MATTER.

There’s waaaaay more important things about people than whether they’re gay or hetero.

Think of it this way: In your life, of all the things you’ve done, and of all the things that make you who you are, would YOU like it if you’re sexuality was what people chose to honor about you? Or would you prefer they honored something you actually accomplished, or strove to achieve, like work ethic, or honesty, or kindness?

I hear Takei was really nice to his mom. THAT is the kind of thing a person should be remembered for…NOT his sexual preferences. You want to pay tribute to Takei? Have Sulu do something nice for his dear, sweet old mother.

133. jtrekker - December 25, 2009

I think we need to see Admiral Archer…and Scotty figuring out how to rematerialize his begal!

134. nerdinpink - December 25, 2009

I’d have to say that my own opinion lines up with the results of most of these polls, and the ones that don’t line up are close.

135. somethoughts - December 25, 2009


Didn’t they already do that with the whole hugging and spinning down from the drilling rig metaphor already in ST09, I kid. I agree with #133.

136. Zebonka - December 25, 2009

Exactly. I was so peeved that the Academy was treated so abruptly. It was a chance to at least get a vague feel for the place in a way that we hadn’t before, and it was skipped completely because they had to get to the Death Star in under 3 hours.
I guess we’ll have to wait for the NEXT reboot before the Academy gets a look-in ….

137. Dan - December 26, 2009

Restore the timeline, bring in the next Generation crew to do it. Then a new TNG movie.

138. elodie - December 26, 2009

I’m OK, with all these polls, except I just really want to see Admiral Archer again. Scott Bakula is an incredible actor (and wants to be in the sequel but not as heavily as Shatner) and I miss Admiral Archer hgh Captain Jonathan Archer.

139. screaming satellite - December 26, 2009

maybe Scott Bakula will get an Admiral Archer cameo – he does pop up in the odd high profile movie (The Informant, American Beauty)

140. screaming satellite - December 26, 2009

(cont from 140) they could age him up like they did in Twilight (that title kinda has a whole new meaning now;)

if its Klingons maybe Michael Dorn could get a grandfather Worf cameo too…and of course theres always Dr Soong

and did i hear someone say Guinan?…no? ok then ; )

141. Dom - December 26, 2009

Not concerned with any TOS universe of TNG universe characters appearing (I consider those universes as separate too!) You could use a Shatner recording similar to the deleted scripted scene from the first film as some kind of warning to set up an event for the third film.

No interest in a continuing gay character. How do we know one of the current characters isn’t already gay? Simple answer: it’s not relevant to the plot either way and no one really cares beyond a small vocal minority! None of the Trek films has made much issue of the sex lives of its characters (Jim included) and I’d rather they got on with telling a good story than forcing distractions into the plotline.

Personally I’m sick of characters bleating on about how much sex (of any kind) they do or don’t get in TV shows and movies! I’m practical about what can be fitted in to a single two-hour action-adventure movie! Gay character in a TV series? Maybe of it serves some purpose. In a movie? What’s the point when you have two hours to tell an epic adventure and eight-ish regular characters to service already? (Perhaps I should rephrase that!! ;) )

And, as for Klingons . . . well we know TNG universe fans, in particular, have this peculiar fetishistic nonsense about them. They were occasional villains in the original show, overused in the movies and used to the point of distraction in the TNG universe. Enough is enough! I’m sick of them! Send the Enterprise out to face new races. Maybe Klingons can be kicking about the place in a backup role, but enough of Klingon lead villains!

It’d be nice to see Christine Chapel and Janice Rand again and maybe they should have the balls to kill off one or two characters (Sulu and Chekov for example!) We need more female characters. Also Arex and M’Ress would be nice to see!

Whatever the case, no matter what I’d like to see in the sequel, I look forward to seeing what the team put on the screen!

142. brand new trekker - December 26, 2009

Shatner should have done the voice over and cameo in the first flick.
It would have served as a perfect transition for the new crew.

He wasn’t in it and any appearance now would seem oddly out of place.

Make the plot new and have an original idea, keep it sciency and clever.

Dont put Picard in it.
Dont bring back Khan.
Dont use the masked Klingon.

143. Ambassdaor Sarek of Bankhead - December 26, 2009

They need to stick to the formula that worked in the first film. To hell with fanboys and their demands. The movie takes place in a reality that has been altered by technology and not only that but if you think about it, Neros actions may have shifted the balance of power in that timeline. They will have to deal with the fallout from his actions. His revenge created a divergent timeline. Everything has changed. I don’t want a rehash of the original series. Khan would be okay but would it be written out of pressure to please fanboys. I think the thing that killed star trek was that it was always trying to please its fanbase and not bring anybody else into the tent. Generations, Insurrection, and Nemisis should have been television episodes. They should use the Klingons in my opinion and focus on how Neros actions have impacted their era. A future Romulan destroyed Vulcan. Their ought to be ramifications that ripple through the quadrant for that. I loved Next Gen and DS9. I tolerated Voyager and at tims couldn’t stand it. Enterprise was decent its fourth season but Star Trek has to continue to pull in people not familiar wth the Q and the tholians. The trek community and the arrogance of Rick Berman are the reason the franchise fell. Orci and Kurtzman need to do what they did with the first movie. Immerse themselves in certain ideas and concepts. Look at what works and doesnt and then kick ass. Take the “Dark Knight” approach. Make an epic without thinking about it. Trying to please fans and the dead corpse of Gene Roddenberry will make this thing sink fast. just my thoughts. Its a new timeline. I wish people would get over what they would like to see. Everybody wanted to see the robot dog on BSG but they didnt bring him back. Come on people grow up.

144. James Heaney - December 26, 2009

Very excellent summary, Tony. Particularly excellent since I know you have some strong opinions about what you want to see in the next movie, and that that doesn’t always line up with fan opinion. You did a great job keeping your analysis bias free.

145. DesiluTrek - December 26, 2009

About one of the tangents in this thread — I’ve always agreed that there very well could have been Star Trek characters that were gay but we never knew it because we only got to see them as professionals.

When George Takei “came out” I thought about it and realized that if you stuck to the original series alone (not including his “daughter” in”Generations”), that Mr. Sulu could have been gay. Sulu never had a romantic moment or even a hint of one in the original series, except for the mirror Sulu’s flirtation with Uhura, and even that could be said to be a part of what made the mirror Sulu an “opposite”! Being the consummate professional astrophysicist-helmsman, Sulu didn’t need to display anything about his sexuality.

146. Johnson9 - December 26, 2009

Being Gay would not preclude one having a child.

147. fansince66 - December 26, 2009

#64 flathead

I agree with you. those helmets are really great.I, too, would like to see a more refined, aristocratic, Klingon.Leave the neanderthallic Klingons behind. make them more Spartan-, or samurai-like,”noble” rulers of an empire of dozens of different species that they have conquered over many centuries of conquest & expansion.Just like we see a Federation of humans, andorians,vulcans,tellerites,centaurians,denobulans,orions,etc…we should see a Klingon invasion force, commanded by klingons,that’s composed of many “subct” species-of-the-EMPIRE.

148. fansince66 - December 26, 2009

oops. I meant to say “subject” species.

149. Captain Morgan - December 26, 2009


Exactly. Forget sexual orientation and give us a darn good story that makes you think like TOS did along with the action of the new movie.

JJ, Bob, Alex, & Company, keep it up! And please let there be some sort of tv movie, direct to dvd, or something to keep us happy since you do not want a tv series yet.

150. EdDR - December 26, 2009

Klingons and a 1966 Mustang!!!

151. AJ - December 26, 2009

I would personally like to see Kirk’s relationship to the Enterprise grow into the “I give, she takes” one that overtakes Kirk in TOS to the point of near obsession.

As a viewer of what is now a film series, I realize we’ll never feel quite ‘at home’ on the E like we did while the show was on TV, but she has always been a character of special importance. I hope JJ and the boys can re-capture that as well.

152. RayD - December 26, 2009

I want space battles, I want to see action in space! I want to see the Enterprise kick ass!

153. Captain Robert April - December 26, 2009

No Abrams, No Orci, No Kurtzman and completely redesign the Enterprise.


Somebody call Richard Donner, see what he’s doing for the next couple of years…

154. tom vinelli - December 26, 2009

i think the writters should do what they want. after all they earned it.they will come up with something and it will be good

155. Jonny Whitaker - December 26, 2009

They should bring back Shatner as the older Kirk,
They Should transport the Enterprise to the 24th Century of the primary universe to the 2374 in the Delta Quadrant where they are rescued by the crew of the U.S.S. Voyager but then the U.S.S. Voyager comes into contactg with its Alternate self.

156. Tsukimono17 - December 26, 2009

I think there should be a bit more spock and uhura moments. i don’t want the movie to revolve around it or anything, star trek’s definatly not a romance series. but, i love spock, and now that he’s kinda come to terms with his human half and emotion, i think he should go more in depth with his romance. (like finally get some tongue action, not just chaste kisses!) just one little intense scene is all i’m asking.

157. Katie G. - December 26, 2009

Haven’t read the comments but we’ve done enough “Khan” stuff. However, if we go that way, Antonio Banderas would be a great Khan, in my opinion. He’d have to suppress his accent a little but he’d be great…


158. Balok - December 26, 2009

hmmm…. I think you did a fair job of encapsulating the feelings on most. Interesting comment about more McCoy. Looking back across all the movies, McCoy was really the only major character that stayed true to his persona from TOS.

159. Kev - December 26, 2009

ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!!!! Either the new crew meets up with their own alternates, or the alternates of the original time line.

160. T - December 26, 2009

As a hard core star treck fan, I think they should go back to make things like the series. Go back in time to make it right and follow the original series and movies.

161. Anthony Pascale - December 26, 2009

actually james I personally tend to be in agreement with most of the poll leading options with a few exceptions. Obviously I advocated the ‘dark knight’ type title as I feel that going back to the TNG style of a subtitle is a step back and i like the idea of the JJ film series having its own style starting with ‘star trek’

I am also not as adverse to khan but i do agree it would have to be a different spin, maybe even not a bad guy or at least not such a black and white bad guy.

One thing I dont agree with is Gary Mitchell. I agree with those that say we have enough male characters, although i voted for M’Benga cause he is awesome, but only a brief cameo. Maybe he can smack spock around. But it is too late for Mitchell. Gary was kirk’s best friend. McCoy has that role in this universe and we all agree we want more McCoy time, so Mitchell only gets in the way.

however this article is not about me, it is about the mood of the fanbase based on polling and so putting my bias into it would defeat the purpose

162. laneiglr902 - December 26, 2009

How about a sinister twist on Harry Mudd? If Kirk was a “genius level repeat offender”, as Pike said, then perhaps Mudd would be somebody Kirk encountered already, in this time line. A spiced-up Mudd could be a real thorn in Kirk’s side – a visit from his past that maybe, by now, Kirk would like to forget.

163. devon - December 27, 2009

I agree, as a gay man, that it is not necessary to delve into a person’s sexual orientation on screen during a limited 2 hour run, but if Kirk can make out with an Orion woman or Spock & Uhura can have tender moments then I am not opposed to a brief scene that alludes to a character’s gay-centric orientation… but honestly I don’t care, it’s the story that counts! What I do want to see is a grand scale epic masterpiece that will cement Trek up there with the other big blockbuster films, but my fear all along is Trek 2: Transformers :The Revenge of the Fallen where the sequel is utter crap! Trek deserves better treatment as a 43+ year old franchise than a children’s cartoon series!!! I am all for the inclusion of Chapel,Rand, Arex & M’Ress in the next film. With todays CGI even if we only get a shot of Arex & M’Ress @ their respective bridge posts briefly would be a treat to longtime fans & firmly establish these 2 characters into Trek Canon. Rand & Chapel could be seen assisting Kirk & McCoy throughout the film as well…. these roles need not be meaty ones but it would be nice to see familiar faces among the crew to establish some connectivity with the old timeline. Another character that would work well in the new timeline also would be the underdeveloped Deltan Lt. Ilia and even Xon could appear now that Vulcans are an endangered species! Regardless of the details or the characters used in the end result, please make a megablockbuster movie that is bigger & better than the 1st one and everything else will fall into place!

164. nerdinpink - December 27, 2009

164: I have two things to say:

1. The first Transformers movie wasn’t great either.

2. It’s not a childrens cartoon series, it’s a series of cartoon comercials for children! It’s also kind of cool. Please don’t look down on it; don’t you feel bad when people make those kind of comments about Star Trek?

165. somethoughts - December 27, 2009

Gay or not Gay who cares, I don’t spend money and time to watch characters sexual orientation, a epic sci fi space story is what will win reviews/awards, money and new fans.

What bothers me though is that Time Travel is possible in Star Trek and why would they not save Kirks father and some Kelvin crew members who died, Vulcan and Spocks mom, they already time traveled in other movies/episodes to save earth from the whale probe/borg and other soul eating aliens, why is it this time they ignore the greatest destruction in Star Trek lore?

The reboot itself is a plot hole :( I understand the whole reboot thing and alternate universe concept but man it’s like the pink elephant in the room now.

Also they are now stuck with no more good time traveling stories now that they have boxed themselves into the corner, who agrees? I feel handcuffed just trying to think of good story lines now.

166. Harry Ballz - December 27, 2009

How about a musical?

“I’m singin’ with a Gorn, just singin’ with a Gorn…..” :>)

167. Anthony Thompson - December 27, 2009

Agree with pretty much everything in the polls/article, esp. about more Urban. And Bob, if you’re reading this, one of the pleasures of your movie for me was the collaborative efforts / discussions/ debates among the crew members on the bridge. That was probably why Roddenberry / Jeffries designed the bridge as they did: to encourage such team efforts. It actually happened sometimes on TOS but not as often as it should have. You really made it work and it helped the new crew to gel. I hope to see more of that in the sequel.

168. Hat Rick - December 27, 2009

119 (Rocket Scientist) — thanks! Trek’s SFX rock.

169. Jeff - December 27, 2009

More Scotty and McCoy. I would like to see the Gorn.

170. Rick James - December 28, 2009

Whatever is done, hopefully it is done right. If the sequel flops, Star Trek could be out in the cold for a decade at least.

I hope the Enterprise gets a refit and turned into Probert’s TMP Enterprise as it should have been to begin with.

171. P Technobabble - December 28, 2009

I think the sequel is in good hands. First, I have faith in the Supreme Court. I thought they did a great job with the first film. And after listening to Orci & Kurtzman’s commentary on TVH blu-ray, I have no doubt that these guys are great Star Trek fans, and they understand Star Trek — far more than the nay-sayers would like us all to believe.

Second, I have faith in the new cast. The actors have, pretty much, seamlessly stepped into the roles without resorting to imitation of the original cast. I am sure this was a far more difficult thing to do than had they been creating the roles.

Finally, I don’t worry about little details like using a Bud plant for engineering, or that the nacelles don’t look right, or whatever. Such details are NOT what Star Trek is about. Ultimately, Star Trek is imaginary. Not a shred of Star Trek is real, apart from the actual materials it takes to make a film, including the script. Star Trek is a thing of the mind. Last count, there were over 6 billion minds in the world…
At the same time, Star Trek is a business, and it just generated a ton of money… again. Star Trek has been put in the hands of Abrams and Co., a group of people who seem to dig, and enjoy, and care about Star Trek as much as all of us (except for those few who would like us all to believe otherwise). I doubt Paramount would’ve put Star Trek in the hands of people who felt otherwise, for business reasons, if nothing else.

Debating over the look of the Enterprise can be interesting, at times, maybe even fun. But when the look of the Enterprise becomes the deciding factor of whether or not the film was any good, then the fun ends. That limit one places on the film (any film, really) becomes the focus, and the rest of what makes the film is lost. And, in fact, it’s the rest of what makes the film which we should be focused on, not whether or not there would be any sort of tubing in engineering.

I dread the wait until the next movie, but this mind wishes for two more hours of well-spent movie-going in 2012. I don’t care where they film engineering…

172. John from Cincinnati - December 28, 2009

I just hope they stay with their current uniforms and not “jump” to those hideous TMP era or TWOK uniforms.

173. Bill Lutz - December 28, 2009

Will somebody please tell me why JJ Klingons wear these STUPID helmets?

174. Exocomp 4 - December 28, 2009

1) Have the Enterprise go through a refit or something, so the brewery can be replaced by a proper engineering section

2) Tone down the mind-numbing bubbling/gurgling/chirping bridge sounds

3) Provide a seat-belt or Velcro fasteners for Uhura so she’ll actually stay in her seat instead of getting up every five seconds

4) Provide lanyards or those little coiled plastic thingies for Starfleet weapons so they quit flying off out of reach

5) I can’t think of anything else right now…I’m sick

175. somethoughts - December 28, 2009

I actually like those red uniforms best, they will probably wear those at the end or middle of part 3 and stick with the TOS episode type uniforms in the next sequel.

I love mysteries and who dunnit type stories that explores new sci fi ideas and have a comment or two about some issue going on in the past or present.

There also has to be that one singular moment in the film where you hold your breath and you are really not sure if they are going to make it or if all is lost then they “win.” There has to be deaths also to show that space is unforgiving and with deaths comes sacrifices and rewards through believable story telling.

I hate to see the good guys always win at the end growing up, I figured out that the Autobots or “good guys” always won and that got boring.

The good guys can “win” as long as they gave up something big for it or had to make incredibly hard decisions that spit in the face of everything they know be it strategy or moral ethics.

176. Phil Smith - December 28, 2009

If the story involves Klingons, that would be dull indeed. Khan was already done, and done very well.

If a villain is to be pitted against the crew, I really want emphasis placed on the villain’s character development. We already know lots about the crew. One of the great drawbacks of Star Trek was the lack of development in Nero, and leveraging Eric Bana’s superb acting skills. Put another way, I was WAY more interested in learning about Nero than any other character, because I already know a bunch about the main characters.

Also, a better director is in order…

177. Rusty0918 - December 28, 2009

#172: I don’t care about the iBridge or anything else, but that engineering….sorry…anyone who has watched MST3K’s “Space Mutiny” would know how much of a poor production design decision that is, and it horribly detracts from the experience. It’s an eyesore.

Keep in mind I am NOT saying that it should have a glowing warp core, etc.

The sequel I believe will be the true test of this reboot, now that they got all the origin stuff out of the way. I’m weary about Orci and Kurtzman after “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” (True Michael Bay directed it, but those two have some of the blame), and I hope we don’t get anything as absurd, obnoxious, and offensive like that one for the sequel. They had a lot of “Free Cards” for Trek XI which they will not have for Trek XII.

178. Jack - December 28, 2009

Just one guy’s opinion – but I think the TOS as allegory has been overblown over the years, mostly by Roddenberry himself. Just a handful of TOS episodes reflected contemporary events (all I can think of are a private little war, the hippy one and the guys with two faces). I found those some of the weakest episodes. The best Trek dealt with arger themes (hubris, the sanitisation of war, overreliance on technology) rather than referencing current events just for the sake of it.

And we essentially have a (slightly heavy handed) Trek-like allegory in theatres right now, also with Zoe Saldana.

179. Deepspace93 - December 29, 2009

Trek Title without “Trek”???

Well, they tried that already with “Enterprise”. What happened? Half-way through, they added it back.

If the film is going to take itself seriously as Star Trek, it needs to say it. Otherwise it’s just a wannabe that’s trying to lure in those few who feel embarrassed to be seen at a Trek film.

180. somethoughts - December 29, 2009


Star Trek has always been about the human adventure not shit blowing up.

181. KingDaniel - December 29, 2009

Mr Arex!

Armies of 100,000 helmet-waring trench-coated Klingons.


Mr Arex.

Mister Arex.

The Great Mister Arex.

Someone to say the Enterprise is 725-ish meters long (which it is :-P)

More of the Great Enteprise Brewery.

182. KingDaniel - December 29, 2009

Almost forgot:

No Shatner.

He’s had his day, and he’d look ridiculous trying to be captain now (remember Riker and Troi in the rubbish finale of Enterprise?)

183. KingDaniel - December 29, 2009

Sorry to bump:

Angelina Jolie as Number One (with backstory from the novel Vulcan’s Glory). They can call her ‘Numb’ for short.

184. John from Cincinnati - December 29, 2009


Those TWOK uniforms took place 15 years after TOS. I sure hope they don’t jump that far into the future from the next sequel to the next.

185. TC - December 29, 2009

Anything but “time-related” conundrums or twins..just pick an old 60’s trek show, and improve on it (not fribbles)

186. Vote_Gary_Mitchell - December 29, 2009

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187. Demetrius Slater - December 29, 2009

Evil tribbles? ummm…no

I think that this is an excellent opportunity to step out of the tradition Star Trek story lines and explore the alternate reality. Why would there not be jumps in advancements on some technology based on what Nero left behind (e.g. the drill, future spock’s knowledge)? Perhaps this perks the interest of a species that would have seen the Federation to be no threat but suddenly that changes. Regardless, PLEASE, PLEASE, no Khan, no Klingons, no Q, no Borg. This is a perfect opportunity to bring something new to the mix in term of plot and story line while maintaining the characters and personalities of well know characters. You could have alot of fun with this if it’s done properly – I hope I don’e get disappointed.

BTW -If this is a forum to talk about Ster Trek, then leave Avatar out of it.

188. Harry Ballz - December 30, 2009

Ster Trek?

Well, er…..close enough!

189. gingerly - December 30, 2009

#1 More banter between McCoy, Kirk, and Spock
#2 More McCoy in snark-wars with Spock
#4 Away team FTW!
#5 “He’s dead, Jim.”
#6 Spock and Uhura speaking Vulcan
#7 Suus Mahna
#8 Fallout from Nero, weakened pissed-off Klingons (maybe ally earlier since The Federation took him out?) wary Romulans
#9 Keep Spock and Uhura a classy undercurrent, mostly in the background.
#10 Big Damn Heroes – style Teamwork
#11 Alien planet that’s not ice or California
#12 More parts of the ship! Loved the Budwieser engines, loved the grit and tangibleness of it
#13 Less Lens flare (though I did like it for the most part)
#14 Pants on “Away Team” Uhura, especially if the terrain is rugged
#15 More adventurey, Less villiany

…and that’s all I can of, for the moment.

190. izmunuti - December 30, 2009

Please no dumb Klingons! Don’t mean to offend, I just agree with Dom: they’re over-done and not very interesting or multi-faceted, imo.

Would love to see races we haven’t seen much of, like Andorians, Tholians, or Gorn as antagonists.

And more of interesting advanced races like the Preservers, Metrons, the Old Ones, and the Vians. Maybe as reluctant partners or sh*t disturbers.

191. somethoughts - December 30, 2009

I hope they don’t put in the Mayans ;) is that stupid exec still around?

192. Peter Kirk - December 30, 2009

Star Trek: Planet Android….Harry Mudd seeks to profit at the expense of our bold crew. Gary Mitchell and nurse Chapel appear. A love triangle between Spock, Uhura and Chapel ensue. Kirk meets his first love, Ruth. McCoy has father issues. Sulu and Chekov develop a friendly rivalry. Scotty, a lonely man emerses himself in technical journals. A female admiral tries to break up the Enterprise crew over an assumed Prime Directive mis-use. Pike returns to Talos of his own will. Oh, by the way…Shatner would make an excellent Harry Mudd!

193. qwer - December 31, 2009

more spock and kirk friendship moments. It’s funny seeing them try to work together even though there so different.

194. DIH - January 2, 2010

My 2-cents.

Spock prime is in the chronology now since he can be “in two places at once”. If the chronology of the movie continues within a few years after the last film then logically the lost of 6-billion people should weigh on the time. In finding a suitable planet the Romulens should assist from some shared guilt over the irrational actions of Nero who should not have blamed Spock over a heroic attempt that failed. Moreover, they have a star to stabilize presumably that threatens their planet within a lifetime and thoughts of colonization themselves. The Klingons come into play when the new colony lies within their sphere of influence and the Romulens and Klingons are about the get-it-on over the issue. The universe is taking sides on the issue that pulls the Federation into the mix since the areas at issue are at the contested fringes of the neutral zone.

Spock prime has a lot of history to reflect upon even though things have now changed dramatically and he is in this alternate reality. He is the keeper of history, he knows how events unfolded, he saved the earth and the whales, he knew about the Genesis program, he knew Kirk’s son, and he knew all the bad-guys. He can get killed off for good this time but in the process he can help the characters develop and mature before he dies in some dramatic fashion.

If written with gusto this could be a fabulous script. The seeds of the script are in the last movie if the last movie is a template to the future.

195. TOMMY D - January 2, 2010


196. skyjedi - January 2, 2010

I wish the new movie was coming out in 2010, or 2011. The original release date for trek 2009 was 2008. Why does it take so damn long to make a trek film? Its not star wars folks JJ is not funding the movie himself like Lucas.

197. skyjedi - January 2, 2010

Not able to start filming to 2012 why?

Lost is ending, Fringe will most likely be cancelled. as will Heroes. MI IV is crap anyway and so is cloverfield 2. There is no reason whatsoever that they cannot start filming asap, considering Orci and Kurtzmen are not writing transformers 3.

198. Beau - January 2, 2010

okay ~ here it is!

the main character Chaka Khan enlists Klingons into the band and get caught up playing bad music in the bar Kirk happens to be in. After some intense horn bending action over skulls the bar turns out to be a holodeck Kobiyashi Marue scenario set up by Mudd who floods it with Tribbles.

Spock subdues the Tribbles in with a Vulcan grip and mindmalls Mudd only to find that Mudd’s plan is to invite the Enterprise crew to an elaborate Tribble BBQ. McCoy intercedes with another great dosing of humor and shots to bring everyone back to the original reality, with everyone on Vulcan trying to convince the council that there is some logic in this farce of a plot.

Fun, huh?!

Truly, more, more McCoy, hint in some Klingons to make everyone happy and give a fresh spin of a new foe per ‘se.

P.S. If you didn’t like this, then please see the SNL William Shatner/Star Trek scetch for some reality. Live long a prosper my fellow Trekkers or Trekkies ~ your choice.

199. Katherine H - January 3, 2010

You should make where all of Kirks villians decides to team up to kill Kirk, but this time 5 years has gone by (only in thye movie not in real life) and Kirks villians are waiting patiently for they could take over the U.S.S Enterprise Ncc-1701 like Khan tried to. So the villians leave Kirk,Spock,and Scotty on a planet. With Mcoy’s help on the star ship and Scotty’s engineering on the planet they where able to beam them on a moving object at a far away place (which we seen in the firt one) and this time Scotty and Kirk end up in the water thing (Like when Scotty ended there in the firt movie.) and Spock is there to save them. Then shows that a villian is about to kill Mcoy,but then they hear Captain’s Kirks voice in the behind the villian and then everyone turns to see Captain Kirk and spock and Scotty come out from the elevator behind Kirk.

200. Jack - January 3, 2010

166. I think there were at least 75 TOS episodes and 5 out of 6 TOS movies that didn’t use time travel. I’m hoping there are still plenty of stories without it. The tough thing for all the movies is a workable plot where the earth isn’t at stake but there’s still real suspence… II, III and VI did it well. Those movies were also the best villain movies, I think… since then, except for maybe first contact, there’s been a LOT of recycling of khan, among the villains. Even visually, there have been all the standard movie villain motifs (the ships are green, smoky, dingy). I’d love to see an Empire-like buracracy/efficiency in a Trek villain, like the Romulans in their first TOS episode (one of my favourites, although I can’t think of the darned name right now). A less cardboard villain (Nero was barely a Bond villain) if there is a villain, and some murkier motives… Letters from Iwo Jima, please.

201. Jack - January 3, 2010

Suspense. Sorry.

202. The Disinvited - January 4, 2010

199. Beau once non sequitured “If you didn’t like this, then please see the SNL William Shatner/Star Trek scetch for some reality.”

Of course, what you don’t realize is that that sketch was a total work of fiction created by the SNL writer Robert Smigel, and that by telling people to find reality in a work of complete fiction you are demonstrating precisely the exact inability to clearly distinguish reality from fiction that you, in your imagination, are projecting on others.

203. SpockySpockSpock - January 4, 2010

I think it would be a really stupid idea to use Klingons as villains in the next movie. There’s a couple reasons for this particular fact.

1) The Klingons have already been villains. People don’t want the Romulans as villains for the same reason. It would be smart to introduce a new type of alien into the story.

and 2) The story is set in an alternate universe. Things shouldn’t be the same as in the previous stories considering that fact.

I didn’t read this whole thing, so sorry if someone already said this.

204. Harry Ballz - January 4, 2010

I have now seen the movie 8 times and I can tell you, the exterior shots of the Enterprise look phony as hell! Fire that guy and get somebody new for the sequel who knows what the hell he is doing!


205. SpiceySpock - January 5, 2010

Go to the recreation planet Riza (sp?) and call it Star Trek:XXX

206. Beau - January 5, 2010

206, you have my vote!!! to make it fun, have a close-up shot on mccoys buttocks to make it look like cleavage and then pan out to the dismay of the audience… hee-hee! “Damn it Jim, that’s my butt, not Uhura’s breasts!”

203, it was a joke! sheesh!!!

205, true to you!

207. The Disinvited - January 6, 2010

207. Beau typed “203, it was a joke!”


208. Beau - January 6, 2010

208/203. to answer your query more precisely, yes.. sometimes an “exacto” is needed to distinguish pre-frontal lobe coordination from limbic autonomic responses, but that’s another story line. i appreciate your response “Lt. Disinvited”; but would also have liked to hear some expansion on my farco-plot! Then there’s room for a Captain on the starship NCC-5150! Engage No. 1.

209. Janeways Knickers - January 6, 2010


you are beautiful

93 you are similarly!

210. Janson Tycho - January 10, 2010

not only should there be MORE Leonard McCoy, but I personally would love to see a bit more Pavel Chekov as well

211. Janice waite - January 11, 2010

I want to see Admiral Pike (Bruce Greenwood) in the sequel.
If Pike is there, I’l be happy!!

212. brad - January 13, 2010

i would love to see Whoopi Goldburg do a cameo in there somewhere as Guinan.

213. Chuck R. - January 19, 2010

I appreciate Any and All of the Star Trek Movies…

Some of the great points of ST09 included, but were not limited to, an Awesome New, Clean, and Updated Bridge, the Direction and Cast were Great, and the fact that CGI was not integrated as often was a plus.

However, there were a few things that disappointed me. One of witch was Engineering(very disappointing with Brewery Tanks, I-Beams, and Textile Mill-like Construction.) The main view screen needs to be Holographic, as well.

As far as future sequels are concerned, I for one like the idea of using Javier Bardem(perfect villain character) and would enjoy seeing more multiple scenes. Patrick Stewert from TNG has really grown on me over the last few years and I feel that he possesses some great leadership[acting] abilities that could be integrated into future Star Trek Sequels.

A Special Thanks goes out to Everyone that makes Star Trek so Enjoyable. I will always support Gene Rodenberry’s vision as long as I Live. Star Trek is a great and much needed escape from this crazy world sometimes. Once Again, Thanks to all of those that make Our Vision of Space Travel on the Big Screen happen!!

214. Orion - January 24, 2010

I want to see the enterprise go back, and fix the time line! I am a huge trek fan, and I HATE the fact that Vulcan was destroyed!

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