Saldana: Star Trek Sequel In Pre-Production By End Of 2010 December 27, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity, ST09 Cast, Star Trek sequel (2012) , trackback
The next Star Trek movie is now expected to arrive in the Summer of 2012, or in about 30 months. Before that happens, it has to have a script written, go into pre-production, then production and then post-production. In a recent Avatar related interview, Zoe Saldana gave an update on when she thinks work will begin on the film.
Pre-production starting in a year?
Saldana offers this update at MTV:
I spoke to J.J. and Bryan Burk, his producing partner at Bad Robot, and they are still in the middle of building the script with Alex Kurtzman and Bob Orci, and we’ll probably be going into pre-production around this time next year.
Zoe’s timeline is mostly consistent with recent comments from the film makersi. Star Trek sequel producer (and possible director) JJ Abrams recently told TrekMovie he expects the follow-up to Star Trek to be released in the Summer of 2012. And co-writer Roberto Orci recently told TrekMovie the writers plan on diving into the script in early 2010.
This time shouldn’t take as long
The script for the first Star Trek film was finished in January 2007 and the film was officially announced and went into pre-production in February 2007. Production started in November 2007 and wrapped in March 2008. The original release was to be Christmas 2008 and even though Paramount moved the release to the Summer of 2009, post production was mostly finished by Christmas 2008. The entire schedule was 22-23 months from pre-production start to completion.
However, the making of the Star Trek sequel will very likely be shorter. There is much less work to be done in the pre-production phase as the cast is mostly in place and much of the design and construction work is done for the Enterprise, costumes, etc. Assuming a May 2012 release, then a pre-production start around Thanksgiving 2010 would give them 18 months for pre-production, production and post-production. That is a bit tight, so it would not be surprising if pre-production started earlier than a year from now, and Orci did say they expect the script to be done by late Spring, so there would be time to start earlier if they wanted.
The big remaining logistic question is who will direct the sequel. JJ Abrams has stated he plans to spend much of 2010 directing a different movie he is currently writing. However, in another recent TrekMovie interview, Abrams said he believed he would still be available to direct the sequel. We will probably not have the final word on the director and release dates until the film gets the green light and that wont happen until the script is finished, which should be sometime in the Spring of 2010.
Of course, just like for the first movie, TrekMovie.com will be there every step along the way, providing news, commentary, rumor squashing and more.
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Very cool…
Ahh, memories of visiting this site day after day, for months on end, just for posts like this one.
The joys of new Star Trek and Trekmovie.com!!
I can’t wait. Now, I have a reason to visit here more often.
I wonder and hope they keep the script as secret as they did the last time– even though I’ll be checking this site constantly in case they don’t. I guess that’s contradicting myself.
I also really hope that this movie can be about exploration, the unknown, mystery, and a complex, not typically “evil” adversary. Although Nero was multi-layered and had sympathetic reasons for his mission of vengeance, he was still a “bad guy.”
Many of the best Star Trek episodes did not deal with “bad guys” vs. “good guys” and I wish a new Star Trek movie could capture that element of the television series, just doing it in a much bigger way.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home both did this well, although I don’t want to see an Earth-based movie like TVH. The Wrath of Khan and Nemesis stand out at the opposite side of the spectrum. I think it’s time for a Star Trek that is more like TMP and TVH in that the crew is dealing with something much more interesting than just the good guys vs. the bad guys. And remember, both of those movies did very well at the box office.
But…
The world will not end in 2012?
:D
*Dreaming about the next movie since I saw the last one for the first time.*
The trick is developing a story that consumes a 100 million $+ budget.
I’m sure the team can consume whatever budget Paramount approves (right, boborci?).
And I second the nostalgia of tracking every infinitesimal bit of news on this site. Anthony, you’ve got you work cut out for the next 2 1/2 years, at least!
- Harry
NO KHAN. New voyagers & adventures please!
I want to see an Abramsverse version of the Excelsior.
Anyone know if it will be IMAX?
If so, will portions of it be filmed for IMAX 3D like Paramount originally wanted from Abrams for ST XI?
I went back to see ST many times during the summer because of the immersive IMAX experience; both picture and sound. You can sit anywhere in an IMAX theater and you get the full 3D sound.
Looking forward to another journey at TrekMovie. I can only imagine what we’re gonna get from TrekMovie throughout the creation of TrekXII. At least this time we’ll have Star Trek: Online to help get us through the wait !
@ 9… sweeeeeeet
You know, ST XI is great but I kind of miss the advanced techo-babble and intellectual experience of TNG and Voyager. I am regularly enjoying my DVDs of those series, but would be nice if CBS started a new ST TV series.
Enterprise (w/Archer) was excellent, and was canceled prematurely. CBS should broadcoast a new series over their air (unlike Enteprise which was over UPN), sell the DVDs/Blu rays quickly (like BSG had 1/2 seasons on sale), and also make the show available over iTunes video.
I am going to be eager to check the site every day for any bit of Star Trek 12 news!
I wonder if the ST XI actors would agree to a TV series. Paramount may have made a mistake by making a movie first.
Imagine if CBS casts a new crew for a TV show, that puts Paramount and the ST XI cast in a bizarre situation of not being the main ST culture of 2010+.
I’d be curious to know how much the ‘3D’ process would add to the production time of the film. There were some messages here in the summer that 3D was an option as the tech seems to be mainstreaming, and is coming to home video as well.
‘Avatar’ will certainly up the ante, but JJ and team are up to the task, for sure.
Were the Enterprise sets saved, or will they have to build them again?
I must now begin a regimen designed to clean my palate, so to speak, so I can go into Trek2012 with fresh hopes and no pre-judgements (or at least, no pre-judgements until they start showing us trailers and stuff).
I did this for Trek2009 and the results were … mixed. But I will do my best to let the last film nowhere near my hopes for the next one. Because it would not be a help.
I hope this first movie’s served as a proper learning experience for them. Star Trek was a solid movie but lacked some elements that make a good Trek movie. I honestly think if they hired on a few Trekkie nerds they’d do well because advise from people like us could have cleared up a lot of the movie’s problems. Still, this is the first real news about the new movie, so I’m happy. Already made peace with having to wait, but if it makes it that much better I’m fine with that.
Oh, man. Looks like I’m about to get re-hooked onto this website. (That’s a good thing, though, right?)
After getting the DVD for ST09, I’m ready for a sequel.. Not that I want anything rushed! I say, let the crew and cast take their time to make a good movie. I can wait until summer of 2012, if we’re going to have a sequel as good as, say.. “The Dark Knight” was, in comparison to its predecessor.
(Or, TWOK in comparison to TMP, for a more ‘Trek-related example.)
In any case, can’t wait. Keep up the good work, Abrams, Orci, and everyone else out there. :D
It sucks haveing to wait almost 3 more years to get another movie, it wouldnt be so bad if there were new trek episodes on tv.
I am really surprised there havent been any talks for a new series, after how well recieved the new movie was.
posted before i could finish with my post….
The other thing that many others have said would be a nice filler would be if CBS went the same route as syfy has gone with stargate SG1 direct to dvd/tv movies.
they could continue the prime universe in 90 to 120min dvd fillms featureing either new crews or (depending on if its cost effective)bring back tng ds9 or voyager era crews.
just a thought.
Neil Blomkamp , if JJ passes on it. Or Shane Carruth (the writer/director of “Primer”).
I would like to see Irwin Kirschner who directed robocop 2 and the empire strikes back do the sequel if abrams cant do it. I’m not kidding though..these are my two favorite movie sequels of all time
and in 22 months we will see the return of khan on his 30th anniversary of star trek 2.
For those who dont want khan, concider the tie in potential of khan in the sequel..
wrath of khan 30th anniversary
spark interest in eugenics wars = TOS episode Space Seed
as well as next generation, deep space 9, and..groan,…Enterprise.
Box Sets, itunes downloads, soundtracks, comics, novels..all tied into khan. and to paramount , khan is guarenteed money in the bank..
and a Special DVD-Blu-Ray box set featuring Space Seed, Wrath of Khan directors cut and Trek 2012.
okay then after, I wont mind if the klingons are in it. or gary mitchell, kelso,
and the rest…
*HAPPY DANCE!*
Luckily I’ll have Star Trek Online to get me through the wait
Three years between movies?
Great! By the end of the trilogy, it’ll be called: Star Trek: So Very Very Tired!
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No offense, but I think the last thing they need to do is bring on Trek nerds.
#5 – the world is scheduled to end in December 2012, and the ST sequel is scheduled for summer 2012, so no worries.
However, there is a faction who believe that due to various calendar errors, the end of the Mayan calender actually coincides with November 2011. Now that would indeed sucketh as we would not be able to see the new ST movie.
#24 Empire Strikes Back. Classic movie. Classic example of how to make a sequel. Robocop 2? Example of how NOT to do a sequel. But to each his own.
As for the 3 year wait, I’m all for it. Summer ‘11 will be crowded with movies like “SpiderMan 4″, “Pirates of The Carribean 4″, “Transformers 3″ and others taking huge pieces of the pie. Those movies get more mainstream audiences than Star Trek ever will. Unfortuneately, Star Trek needs its hardcore fan support because only a small percentage of the general audience will check out the sequel. There will potentially be a bigger piece of the money pie in ‘12.
@ 30.
But 2012 looks like a possible target for the Dark Knight Sequel. Thats if Chris Nolan announces this january if he continues to do the sequel. Trek-quel will have to deal with Dark Knight Sequel and maybe Iron Man 3 ? Because iron man 1 came 2008 and the sequel is coming 2010. So the third should come 2012 ? Also, Spiderman 4 has been put on indefinite hold at the moment, so it should be done for a 2012 release frame also….
But yea, summer 11 looks crowded as it is.
#24; Toddok :: “.. as well as next generation, deep space 9, and..groan,…Enterprise. ..”
Hey, hey, no Enterprise-bashing, dude. To each his own, of course, but season four = love (for me). Sure, I’ve yet to find a single person in my entire school who’s heard of Scott Bakula, but it was good once it got its space legs.. or ‘Trek legs.
And I’d love to see some other (short-lived) TOS characters standing on the bridge (or somewhere on the Enterprise). Gary Mitchell? Bring him on. Lee Kelso? I love that guy! Nurse Chapel? Don’t make the movie without her.
#30; Ryanhuyton :: They’re making another Transformers movie? You’ve got to be kidding me. D: Well, anyways, don’t forget about Breaking Dawn and whatever else comes out of the Twilight movie production team. It’s a huge money-making franchise, and not going away.
Nonetheless, you bring up some very good points. ‘Trek got lucky this year, despite the many huge movies that did really well at the box office. Hopefully the sequel will do just as well, if not better.
#31 Yes, I do understand that there will also be heavy competition in ‘12, just a bit more in the way of a bigger piece of the pie. As for a sequel for “The Dark Knight”, that is still up in the air. Christopher Nolan doesn’t seem (at least right now) too keen on returning to direct another “Batman” flick. As for “Spider Man 4″, we just have to assume that it still will come out in ‘11 until we hear something official from Sony.
I don’t have a problem with Khan in the movie. I don’t have issues with them doing anything like that, because after seeing the first movie, I have complete confidence in their ability to make a brilliant next movie, no matter who the bad guy or the subject matter. Just have at it.
I agree with number 34. I love this team and will be happy when the Sequla comes out, Hope it has Klingons and good Character moments!
#32 I too enjoyed “Enterprise”. It became great once it got its ‘Trek “nacelles” heh heh. As for “Transformers 3″ that was announced well before number 2 came out. Let’s hope “Star Trek” gets even better and luckier in ‘12!
Irvin Kershner is an interesting choice-he is in his 80s tho-id like spielberg,or cameron, maybe bob zemeckis–1st choice jj-heres hopin
Sequal in 3 years isn’t bad, hopefully it will be a sequal that does as well as Dark Knight and Wrath of Khan or better!
well it really isn’t 3 years, it is more like 2 years, four months and change, if they go early May 2012
Dr. Dastrum’s Son or Dr. Dastrum’s SOM [Son Of A Madman]
Back when we still had the origional tv series Star-Trek there was this episode where Dr. Dastrum [Inventor of the ships computer] was testing the M5 version of the computer.
This new ships computer was supposed to be the best computer ever found. It could do thing way faster than any human alive & it could think way better anc clearer than any human alive.
Since Dr. Dastrum infused the computer with his one brain engrams it would think like Dr. Dastrum.
WELL….
After the computer went out of its way to attack a freigher with around 100 souls onboard Captain Kirk [James T Kick - William Shatner] had to find a way to TURN OFF a runnaway insane ships computer that had the engrams of it’s insane creator = Dr. Dastrum…
HE was sent into a medical treatment facility and unfortunate to have his rank shot down a few pegs….
GUESS WHAT HAPPENS….
DR. Dastrum’s SON remembers what Captain James T Kirk did to his WORLD FAMOUS DADDY WHO BUILT ALL THE SHIPS COMPUTER SYSTEMS….
Can anyone here say “REVENGE TO CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK”
One small tiny problem though…. Captain James T Kirk [Admiral JTK] gets himself killed while helping Captain Picard stop Dr. Soran in the NEMISIS incident…
THUS DR. Dastrums’ son works out a plan with the top space phonoma scientistes from many different species and comes up with a plan of action….
#1 – Go into the NEMISIS again
#2 – Picard finds Admiral JTK
#3 – Both of them go back to stop Dr. Soran but this time they get there 1hr before Dr. Soran lands on the planet he is about to destroy… [hopes to destroy]
THUS by knowing where the device is located they are able to set a time bomb on it rigged to go BOOM 1/2 minute before it shoots the deadly beam at the star and thus killing Dr. Soran ONLY and now you have Admiral James T Kirk & Captain Picard alive and well…
SO NOW THE SON OF DR. DASTRUM IS HAILED A HERO….
BUT The Son of Dr. Dastrum only did this nice thing to make sure Admiral [Captain James T Kirk] is alive so he can unfold his scheme to “GET HIS REVENGE ON JAMES T KIRK FOR DIS-HONERING HIS MENTALLY DERANGED DADDY BY HAVEING HIM PUT INTO A MENTAL HOSPITAL”
And Since he continued his daddy’s work and built all the other space ship’s computer systems…
What hell can he wrath with James T Kirk [unfortunatly everyone else also has to suffer as well]
TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS….
It will appear on the next STAR-TREK Movie sometime in the future
COULD a movie be something like the above?
Just wondering if one could be made like that….
AND it would re-introduce Admiral James T Kirk back into the movie at least one more time… AND only the writers can determine if Admiral James T Kirk dies again or lives to be in another movie.
Three years between movies. Bum.
Anthony, if it comes out May 2012 it WILL be 3 years since the first movie’s release.
#28:
I agree. And while we’re at it, a few less Star Wars fanboys in the mix as well :)
we know whats due out summer 2011 – the final Potter, Spidey 4, Pirates 4, TF 3…….also Thor, Capt America, Green Lantern etc
so Star Trek wouldve had MAJOR competeition there – esp with the first 4 (thats got to be the most crowded potential billion $ blockbuster summer in years)
but what about Summer 2012? if you go on various schedule sites the only really big one thats a lock for summer 2012 is The Avengers…
but what about stuff like Batman 3, Indy 5, Ghostbusters 3, X Men: First Class? i imagine some or all of them will be targeting summer 2012…and where would MI 4 and Bond 23 fit in i wonder – summer 2012 or xmas 2011/12? (Bond would probably be xmas)
whatever happens its the right that Trek 2 goes for Summer 2012 – not just for the time to do it but as i cant remember a more crowded summer than 2011 (and i thought 2009 was pretty crowded!)
#40: Revenge of Dr. Daystrom’s son won’t work because:
A. It assumes the mainstream movie goer has seen the TOS Episode “The Ultimate Computer”.
B. It assumes the mainstream movie goer has seen Star Trek “Generations” and is familiar with James Kirk’s leaving the TMP time line via falling into the Nexus Ribbon.
Too many spoilers and story revealing details on Trekmovie.com for Trek ‘09. This time I want to be really surprised.
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I come here every day, for my daily Trek fix. I’ve given up all other Trek sites,even the official CBS one(and I used to subscribe to it, when it was the Communicator magazine).
#28, I agree also. And I speak as one of those Trek nerds,carrying around 43 years of Trek baggage, & impossibly long story-arcs in my imagination.I WANT JJ & Co to ERASE ALL of that, with his new ALTERED Trekverse.
I’m anxious for JJ, O & K to steer a new course. SPIKE that canon, JJ. PLEASE!
I’m really dying for the sequel. I’m glad i ended the decade on a good note with this new trek movie. The decade was tough for trek overall. Started it out with Trek collapsing on itself. But it was reborn at the end.
Got to be JJ directing, he got it right the first time- why mess with that? I know I would be leery of someone else directing.
Hmm… They will lose the buzz which was very expensive to create. Star Trek 2009 was a good movie, but not one that left many things to remember especially for the non-Trekkies. I do not think that people were dying to see the sequel, let alone waiting 3 years for it, except for the hard core fans. By 2012, everybody will have forgotten about it. This is again a bad business decision for the franchise obviously… I hope it becomes an advantage in terms of preparing for it as best as they can creatively.
I know many will disagree, but I hope the next film is not about exploration. Bear with me and I will explain. We have a Federation that has lost a key founder-world and a number of ships (perhaps including some in the Laurentian System), thus it may me too costly strategically to mount a five-year starship exploration programme. We also have a weakened Klingon Empire (Nero basically destroyed a fleet of their ships).
In short, I’d like to see the fallout of the Nero incident. A Klingon Empire lashing out like a wounded beast, a Federation struggling to find its path, a Romulan Empire that knows it is inevitably doomed, and with enemies coming at it from all sides, blaming it for events for which it was not responsible.
Conspiracy, politics, intrigue, betrayal…all the good parts of ST VI. Plus loads and loads of action. A political-war film featuring characters such as Admiral Garth the rising Federation militarist, Sybok plotting revenge for Vulcan, a young Councilor Gorkon trying to avert a Klingon military catastrophe, etc. etc.
Now that would be cool.
Hopefully they will write a mature script that has nothing to do with the first movie. Please writes, try to go when no one has gone before….. Please don’t dumb down the sequel.
Well then, they should have MORE than enough time to build a PROPER ENGINEERING SET.
JJ should direct the next film. I can’t imagine seeing another NT (new timeline) Star Trek without JJ in it… If I only had my way, JJ could well be the guy who could step into the shoes left by The Great Bird himself and Rick Berman. Look no further fellow Trek fans… the franchise is in safe hands. :D
hahaha… just imagine. a new Star Trek series built like Lost. Mysteries and puzzles abound!!! That would draw millions more into the Trek fold!! :D
ahhhh… the possibilities. :D
@52: come to think of it, that would be really cool. We should really see how the Federation was crippled by Nero’s actions.
I think this scenario would make more sense now that ST: Online is coming = the Romulans now take the place of the Klingons (in terms of hostile civilization that makes a pact with the Federation). The Klingons are sooooo pissed by what Nero did and decides to decimate every Romulan in sight. The Romulans then turn to the Federation for help, since ol’ James T. Kirk and Co. were able to make quick work of Nero and his crew, which are technically rouge Romulans and are not connected to the NT (new timeline) Star Empire. The old Birds-of-Prey are featured, but are upgraded midway, which then illicits a quick-upgrade response from the Federation and the Romulans. The Klingons mount a big-scale assault on Romulus, which is now defended by the remaining Vulcans and the Federation. A big battle ensues, with the Federation/Romulan/Vulcan alliance winning. The Klingons then retreat for a loooooooooooooong time… but then make a pact after the altered events of a story arc similar to Nemesis. The Klingons and the Federation make a truce, which then disintegrates, which leads us to the events of Star Trek: Online.
Whadyathink? :D
Not a big fan of the allegory idea unless it’s really subtle. There’s essentially a trek allegory in theatres right now, also starring Zoe saldana.
Perhaps this next installment will reset the quantum timeline to a pre-Nero nexis via the confabulation of protochronitrons translocated to a primordial mixture of red matter and Big Bang “boom!”, thus resetting the calendar to Instant 1, saving Vulcan, undoing the planned annihilation of the expiration of the Mayan calendar, and sparing us yet another tale as told by an idiot, to wit, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis
#51 – Nope. You’re forgetting that we just came off of a film 7 years ago that almost nobody outside of the fanbase knew/cared about and yet still had the most successful Trek. Three years is nada.
I’ve never seen a franchise sequel being “slow-tracked” like this in recent years. 43 months between films? That’s a loooong time these days.
um, again it will be 36 months
and even four years is not unheard of. look at the Pirates, XMen, Mission impossible, spiderman franchises, all have sequels 3-5 year gaps. The recent Star Wars prequels also had 3 year gaps.
yes 2 years would be more fun, but it isn’t like 3 is strangely long by any means. In theory the team could probably deliver in the winter of 2011, but Abrams says that Paramount prefers summer.
nothing is being ’slow tracked’, Abrams Bad Robot is at the top of the food chain in Paramount right now and they are juggling a number of projects. If you want to blame anything, blame MI4, which is now headed for 2011, but then again the last MI movie came out in 2006 so it seems logical for Paramount to put it ahead of Trek
@60
That’s so true.
Look at how they have been churning out the Happy Potter flicks, they’ve already got the next Twilight film, “Eclipse”, shot and in post-production and are in pre-poduction on the last one, the Transformers movies didn’t have that much of a gap between them either…..
Worrying when you think of why Paramount aren’t pushing for the release date of the next installment to be sooner giving the really good profit it has already made.
But I’m happy to wait until 2012 if it means that they are taking the necessary time to produce a quality movie.
:)
# 58
Amen!
I love this website!
I am starting to think some Trek fans are conspiracy theorists. How many times can I say it, Paramount is VERY MUCH pushing for a new Star Trek movie. They even signed the writers to a contract a month before the film was released. Originally they were thinking 2011, but after looking at their full slate for that year (and Abrams schedule), it no longer made sense to push for a Summer 2011, which would surely force Abrams hand in having to hire a new director. Paramount are hoping to keep the same team in place and so 2012 gives them a chance for Abrams, where there was 0% chance of an Abrams directed sequel in summer 2011.
FFS The Dark Knight was after a 3 year wait and that made over a billion. The follow up to that is still being talked about, do you think WB isn’t interested in Batman anymore? It isn’t as simple as “we liked that, lets have another one” and poof it shows up two years later.
#65: “I am starting to think some Trek fans are conspiracy theorists.”
LOL! I think you’re being far too charitable, Anthony!
AND…
Speaking of Zoe, I saw ‘Avatar’ this weekend in 3-D. All I can say is WOW! I loved Zoe’s character as well as just about every other aspect of the film. It is beautifully conceived film (yeah, the story is a bit thin and predictable) with the most beautiful SPFX I have yet to see, and while I am not a fan of CGI, this film could not have been done without them.
‘Avatar’ truly proves that actors may no longer be necessary to make a movie. I’m not sure this is a good thing, though.
Someone in this thread asked if the ‘Enterprise’ sets still exist. Doubtful. BUT I would REALLY love to see a reunion direct-to-DVD that:
1) rectifies that ridiculous and senseless death of Trip in the E finale,
2) mimics the D2DVD success of the ‘Stargate SG-1′ franchise,
3) uses the novel ‘The Romulan War’ as a basis and gives us a truly definitive look at this very pivotal moment in Federation history.
This would be a great way to tide us over until ST XII is released.
Let’s get Meyer to direct the sequel, so he can hopefully spot all the script flaws before they roll film.
#4: “Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home both did this wel… I think it’s time for a Star Trek that is more like TMP and TVH in that the crew is dealing with something much more interesting than just the good guys vs. the bad guys. And remember, both of those movies did very well at the box office.”
I agree completely with you, Mike!!!
Oh… and Mike, how’s Archie? (grin)
#67: “Let’s get Meyer to direct the sequel, so he can hopefully spot all the script flaws before they roll film.”
Um… I agree that Nicholas Meyers brought a new vitality to the franchise, but his participation isn’t really a guarantee, Kaiser. Both STII & VI are ridden with continuity errors. For example:
* A Klingon Neutral Zone? Wrong villains…
* Khan recognizing Chekov (although I can be forgiving of that one), considering Khan was on a first season episode when Chekov did not (officially) appear until the second season.
* When Kirk boards the Enterprise via a travel pod, it is shown docking on the port side of the engineering hull… yet once he enters he is the photon torpedo launch deck which is clearly in a different part of the ship.
* A galley? The series pretty much established this was mechanical.
* bunk beds in crews quarters?
I could go on, but my point is JJ’s and the Supreme Court’s errors are no more, no less glaring than NM’s… and there are plenty of experts such as Richard Arnold, Manny Coto or the writing team of Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens (not to mention Brannon Braga and Rick Berman) who can provide expertise to guarantee a modicum amount of accuracy.
My guess is, any fanfic story you pitch, has already been thought of…. The scope of what can be done in a movie is great than that of TV, and as a result, since they changed the timeline, (expertly, I might add) everything from Trek Classic is fair game, written differently, and to accommodate the scope of the Universe that we know.
Of course, I’d like to be the guy that writes it, but hey, they haven’t asked me. Yet.
@jas
iron man 3 wont come out 2012 rdj is doing avengers and favereau is doing cowboys and aliens with kurtzman and orci
#55–well shockingly Quentin Tarantino could also helm the sequel if JJ can’t… yes it’d be bloody and rated R but using Klingons that would work wonderfully…kinda like Pulp Fiction-meets-Inglorious Basterds-meets-Star Trek..,:)
58. C.S. Lewis – December 28, 2009
Not gonna happen.
Happy Holidays
Great, Hope the next one has a stonger plot, I want Orci and Kurtzman to write a stronger script. I hope JJ Abrams does not over indulge his love of lens flares and for the love of God get a proper Engine room next time.
Sorry but as much as I like the new movie it does suffer from weak writing, great characters but a thin plot, I seriously want a stonger plot next time.
Bob I love the new film but was curious did you expect the parallel universe/ timeline to cause much controversy?
I don’t mind as far as I’m concerned its just another parallel universe like the mirror universe. I see the destruction of Vulcan no differentlyu than Quark being killed in the mirror universe, still being around in the prime universe.
I was asking just out of curiosity by the way.
All I have to say, is that after seeing AVATAR, if Zoe doesn’t get in some serious ass kicking in ST2012, boborci and company will have failed! She is incredible!
My advice, for what it’s worth (not much, I know): break up the crew, like in Empire Strikes Back. Give each crew member his or her own adventure, and then bring in the threads at the end.
From the Joss Whedon school of drama, pair up the crewmembers with other characters that they don’t normally interact with very much: e.g. Uhura and Scotty, Spock and Chekov, Kirk and Nurse Chapel. You get the idea.
The close quarters of a galactic road trip or journey with another person, is a great device to showcase characterization and demonstrate how well trained and prepared these young people are.
And yes, 2012 is MUCH too long to wait for a sequel!!!
Good Luck, writers!
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I expected less than a third of hard core vocal fans to find it controversial.
I want it to be a good sequel but that remains to be seen
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Bob
Do you think it has become more than you predicted
Can i ask if my Mirror Universe thought about Quark a good analogy for Vulcan being destoryed in the new movie yet still being intact in the prime universe.
I loved the technobabble and the ‘classical music’ but I still enjoyed what you did
Can I ask as Trek fan yourself could you sympathise with them havung to get use to changes?
Why 2012
79. captain_neill – December 29, 2009
I don’t think so. Anthony could speak to that better with a poll if he hasn’t already. I believe it is less than I predicted.
Yes, good analogy.
Yes, I do sympathize. Which is why we didn’t agree to take the job until we thought to include Nimoy and until we came up with an in canon explanation for our changes in the style of a cheating Kirk.
Bob
Thank you understanding.
I am happy with the two co existing side by side.
One thing I thought did not work was Kirk going suddenly from cadet to captain, even despite the circumstances in the film but I was wondering would jealously amongst lower ranks , like ‘cupcake’ be addressed in next movie?
Was it you or JJ who chose the new stardate system? Im just curious
I actually am one of those sad peope who knows how stardates were created by the writing staff on TNG era.
82. captain_neill – December 29, 2009
I chose the Stardate system.
Knowing the TNG Stardate origin is not sad!
The latest polling shows that the ‘anti ST09′ contingent has shrunk to maybe 5% of the core base. The numbers were around 20% before the trailers started coming out and then shrank, shrinking again by the time the film came out.
Right now ST 2009 seems to be on avg ranked second behind Wrath of Khan as a favorite film in franchise and rated highly amongst the majority of fans.
And I certainly dismiss the false dichotomy that one cannot love the canon of all Star Trek that came before and love the new movie.
AP – id rank ‘ST09′ as 3rd best Trek film behind II (obviously) and III (imo – i know not everyone ranks that one so high)…
then you got Trek09…then First Contact etc etc
in fact id put it like this:
***** star classic – like Empire, Alien(s), T1/2, Matrix 1, Blade Runner etc:
TWOK
greats (**** stars):
TSFS
ST09
FC
TUC
TVH
ok;s (***):
TMP
GEN (although i find i’m liking it more as i get older….)
bads (**):
TFF
NEM
INS (although im kind of seeing it in a new light after Avatar..)
boborci and Anthony- id be curious to see how you rank the films if youd be so kind..
Anthony, thank you for comment in 84
I certainly can enjoy both timelines, I was asking just to get a consensus of fan opinion regarding the new movie.
I know I have gripes with some of the changes made in the new universe but I still like the film. It is one of my fav films this year.
My top three Trek movies are still Wrath of Khan, First Contact and The Undiscovered Country. First Contact is such an amzing film and sorry but I still like it more than the new movie. But I still like the new movie I just think First Contact is better.
In regards to Insurrection I still think its a fun movie and one Gene would have liked. Its not the best but its better than the reputation it gets.
Anthony I get from your commentary and Roundtable discussion on First Contact blu ray that First Contact is high up for you?
FC is certainly my favorite TNG film.
I think of the Trek film in tiers
Great Trek films
TWOK, TUC, FC, ST09
Good/OK Trek Films
TMP, TSFS, TVH, GEN, NEM
Bad Trek films
TFF, INS
It is hard for me to put them in a full list. I like things about each, even TFF and INS
Anthony, I would agree with how you rated the movies. However, I would switch The Undiscovered Country with Search For Spock. I used to think of TSFS as kinda cheesy, but that was before watching the beautiful blu ray version. TUC is still good, but the end-of-the-cold -war analogy sort of dates it. As for The Final Frontier, most of my complaints come from the bad visual effects, the Nimbus III scene (in particular the Uhura fan dance and the 3 breasted cat-woman) and the uncomfortable scene featuring Uhura flurting with Scotty. As for Insurrection, I can’t really pinpoint what went wrong, because the concept was interesting, but the execution didn’t live up to the standards of either “First Contact” or Michael Pillar. Perhaps instead of inventing another race, they should have involved the Dominion in some capacity. But I would (and still do) prefer “Insurrection” and “The Final Frontier” over “Transformers” and “Watchmen”.
The new universe is the prime universe right? The old one no longer exist as it did.
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Thats a good rating of the movies, TFF would probably be my least fav as well.
However, I don’t put Insurrection that low, yes its a lot weaker to First Contact and plays like a two part episode but I still think there was great stuff in it. Loved F. Murray Abraham and I thin I agree with Piller and feel its one Roddenberry would have liked.
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the new movie’s universe is an alternate univers/timeline.
According to the theopry Bob Oric is using is the Many Worlds theroy, this means that the prime universe is still there.
#92 Yup. But some people still don’t get it (not pointing at #90) or refuse to buy into that theory.
Yes.. Now I have a reason to go online everyday.
@ #80: It’s 2012… So that if they ever move the film to December, the world will end as soon as the fans find out it came out a bad film. JK.
I just hope the sequel gets a plot. A real one.
(Which goes like this: The film starts out with the Enterprise crew looking for Spock’s brain, on the way, they find a bunch of space hippies led by Khan, the Fesarius, Talos V, the Guardian, Gary Seven, and, Tribbles. And Spock – without his brain – goes into pon farr.)
(Yeah, I watch too much season 3.)
93. ryanhuyton – December 30, 2009
#92 Yup. But some people still don’t get it (not pointing at #90) or refuse to buy into that theory.
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I’ve noticed that, too.
94. Vardonir – December 30, 2009
Yes.. Now I have a reason to go online everyday.
@ #80: It’s 2012… So that if they ever move the film to December, the world will end as soon as the fans find out it came out a bad film. JK.
I just hope the sequel gets a plot. A real one.
(Which goes like this: The film starts out with the Enterprise crew looking for Spock’s brain, on the way, they find a bunch of space hippies led by Khan, the Fesarius, Talos V, the Guardian, Gary Seven, and, Tribbles. And Spock – without his brain – goes into pon farr.)
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LOL! That would probably work!
Bob, thanks so much for the movie you made for all of us. And another thank you for responding to (and agreeing with) my post! “Star Trek” was awesome. 3rd favorite behind “Wrath of Khan” and “First Contact”.
Only one quibble: are you going to design a new engineering for the sequel? I didn’t like the brewery. And besides, I think Mr.Scott would be like a kid in a sandbox if he were allowed to design his own engineering!
Just don’t see an exploration plot or subtext working in this day and age, especially in a limited story format like a movie, unless it’s a two parter or trilogy. The story would then have more time and detail to develop itself and not come off as simplistic or holier-than-thou as it did repetitively in TOS and TNG. One shortcoming among many of Abram’s TREK movie was how old school it seemed to me.
TOS came out in a time when the concept of a new frontier, a new world order, yes, even semi-expansionism existed, carried forth by our superior and enlightened views. It fit right in with the then (and now to some degree) U.S. view to compete with communism and now terrorism. That simply won’t work anymore. Don’t delude yourself into believing that wasn’t an element of TREK in the late 60s because it clearly was. Yes, it was humanized a bit, but it was there and can be seen even in TNG. DS9 remains my favorite TREK because it got away–in part–from that and for that I am grateful.
TREK must grow and adapt and reformat itself if it’s going to gain a wider audience. Exploring strange new worlds is not in and of itself going to cut it in my view. TREK has to find a new voice and direction. Going back to TOS was a plus, but also a minus. I still would have rather seen a DS9 movie. It’s themes of spiritualism, war, good and evil, quasi-mysticism are simply more contemporary than TOS or TNG.
So, we find ourselves once again at the beginning…a similar place from which we first visited this website; To once again enjoy the process.
@98… I disagree that exploration wouldn’t work. Avatar has shown that audiences are definately open to movies that creatively explore new worlds. I also think that, with the times we live in, people are looking to movies as an escape from reality, and a dash of optimism and the excitement of exploration would be well received.
However, a remake of “Space Seed” or something close to it could really explore some interesting contemporary issues (genetic engineering, choosing the sex of babies, etc. etc.)… I’ve always felt Trek, like all science fiction, is best when it’s doing that.
Finally, should they decide to go “the bad guy” route and bring Kahn, I suggest casting Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson… I think he has the looks and the swagger to pull it off.
Bob I think you guys will do a great job, I will be happy if there are some Klingon’s in the next movie and maybe Nurse Chapel! Exploring new world to me is viable because of Avatar, depending on what kinda new world Mr. Orci and crew want to make. I hope the Squeal outdoes this one. Can’t wait to see further Adventures in this new Universe! Also I will probably go see the Squeal 7-10 times like I did for this film when it comes out so please don’t Relise it in December of 2010!
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I want them to stay away from redoing the classics
Was this alternate universe created to allow them to not be restricted by canon or to just be lazy and redo what came before?
I hope its the former.
I still have gripes with the changes but I accept the film because its an alternate universe which exists parallel to the other shows and does not erase it.
Try something new, I feel more Trek fans will be angry if Khan is re done.
Star Trek is more than Khan and the Borg.
Hey Treksters! Happy New Year’s EVE!
Saw Shatner on Jimmy Kimmel the other night. The man is practically begging to be in Star Trek again.
Star Trek looks AMAZING in 1080P. GORGEOUS.
Not a better piece of movie music written in ‘09 than Giacchino’s score for ST.
And Stephen Lang was the best part of Avatar as the Kick ass bad guy, Colonel Quaritch. The man astounds.
Can’t wait for the ST sequel! I think it’s going to be an interesting year.
#100: “Star Trek is more than Khan and the Borg.”
Yup. On one hand, ST09 and its sequels give Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman/Paramount the opportunity to create all-new villains and situations.
On the other hand, Nestor Carbonell would make a seriously badass Khan…
@72: wooooooooow… if people would be open to something like that, i’d give it my go-signal! :))
sample line:
@Kirk: “My name is Captain James T. Kirk… and men, i want my Klingon scalps.” LOL XD
it would be interesting to see Young Soran in the next film. he could be a good guy since he didn’t loose his family to the Borg yet, and turn into a bad guy during the movie.
it would be poetic justice of sorts if Kirk kills him, since in the original timeline Soran killed Kirk
#100
@98… I disagree that exploration wouldn’t work. Avatar has shown that audiences are definately open to movies that creatively explore new worlds. I also think that, with the times we live in, people are looking to movies as an escape from reality, and a dash of optimism and the excitement of exploration would be well received….
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In my opinion, the focus of Avatar is about:
• exploitation of culture and people
• exploitation of environment and finding balance
• CGI and 3D technology
Avatar has nothing to do with exploration. It is also very simplistic and silly in my view, in that it stacks the deck in favor of the view it’s in favor of.
TREKs oversimplified and silly “optimism” is out of step with the times. I think it’s funny you would use Avatar as your example because it makes my point. Avatar’s only saving grace is it’s the humans that are exploiting, which is something TREK would never do (because we are such an evolved people… how nauseating). I find what and who is exploiting in Avatar more realistic than what TREK would have done with this story. There will come a time when TREKs optimism will be the flavor of the day, but this is not that day. A harder and different TREK needs to be made and following the TOS/TNG model and not DS9, is in my view, a mistake.