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	<title>Comments on: Sci-Fi Movies Tuesday: Avatar, Dune, Ghostbusters 3, Spider-Man 4, The Thing, Thor + more</title>
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		<title>By: club penguin</title>
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		<dc:creator>club penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point ^^</description>
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		<title>By: Spockette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spockette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t pick up on what the big idea of Twilight is supposed to be.  On GB3 though, dittos to your comments.  I&#039;m from the veteran GB fan generation, and couldn&#039;t care less about seeeing younger, hip ghostbusters.  If the new movie isn&#039;t going to give us much of the originals, or if worse they end up using this movie to kill off GB&#039;s most stapled character, then I have absolutely not interest in seewing this movie.  I imagine there are probably others out there who would agree with me.  At least Star Trek brought back the original characters.  This movie is just trying to replace them for the purpose of making a quick buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t pick up on what the big idea of Twilight is supposed to be.  On GB3 though, dittos to your comments.  I&#8217;m from the veteran GB fan generation, and couldn&#8217;t care less about seeeing younger, hip ghostbusters.  If the new movie isn&#8217;t going to give us much of the originals, or if worse they end up using this movie to kill off GB&#8217;s most stapled character, then I have absolutely not interest in seewing this movie.  I imagine there are probably others out there who would agree with me.  At least Star Trek brought back the original characters.  This movie is just trying to replace them for the purpose of making a quick buck.</p>
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		<title>By: spooky</title>
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		<dc:creator>spooky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, I thought that Avatar was a great movie and yes the themes and plot have been told before but I imagine that it needed to be told again. The majority of the board here are probably young american males that squirm at the idea of being reminded about the past colonialism of their country. Colonialism is afterall thoroughly taught in every school across north america in all its forms. Back to the movie, the 3d experience was at first somewhat odd, like I could only focus on one thing , a fixxed perspective like say on a character, That went away after awhile because I focused on the ideas that are thrown around in the movie. All interesting stuff and fully realized with great attention to detail, however I do agree that the fauna and flora should have been more alien.  It was too similar to what is found on Earth. As for sequels, I hope they will add to the store rather than be just a sloppily slapped together battle royale story. 

As for Ghostbusters 3, I am not ageist and would not mind seeing elderly people running around chasing ghosts. I really do not like the idea of bringing in younger, hip, pretty people for the sake of modernizing the series. If they are going to go that route, then they really should not bother with bringing in the veteran cast. It would work against them in two ways. The veteran cast would be left with little to do and the younger folk would be left with little screen time to establish themselves. An additional thing to consider would be that the writer or writer&#039;s would have to consider that the veteran audience would hunger to see more of the veteran ghostbusters and the newer viewers would quickyly want to see the newer, younger ghostbusters. If they do this, they could follow the Police Academy model. That way the following movie after 3 would be with the new gb without the training wheels. :P
Anyway, as for the rest. I really don&#039;t care for Spiderman, The Thing prequel, or news about Lady Gaga. Oh... and Vampire movies. I am sick to death about Vampire movies... they all suck. A vampire is basically a parasite in my mind... we have those in real life. Tapeworms! Imagine that Twilight chick making out with a giant CG tapeworm with Robert Pattinson&#039;s face on it. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, I thought that Avatar was a great movie and yes the themes and plot have been told before but I imagine that it needed to be told again. The majority of the board here are probably young american males that squirm at the idea of being reminded about the past colonialism of their country. Colonialism is afterall thoroughly taught in every school across north america in all its forms. Back to the movie, the 3d experience was at first somewhat odd, like I could only focus on one thing , a fixxed perspective like say on a character, That went away after awhile because I focused on the ideas that are thrown around in the movie. All interesting stuff and fully realized with great attention to detail, however I do agree that the fauna and flora should have been more alien.  It was too similar to what is found on Earth. As for sequels, I hope they will add to the store rather than be just a sloppily slapped together battle royale story. </p>
<p>As for Ghostbusters 3, I am not ageist and would not mind seeing elderly people running around chasing ghosts. I really do not like the idea of bringing in younger, hip, pretty people for the sake of modernizing the series. If they are going to go that route, then they really should not bother with bringing in the veteran cast. It would work against them in two ways. The veteran cast would be left with little to do and the younger folk would be left with little screen time to establish themselves. An additional thing to consider would be that the writer or writer&#8217;s would have to consider that the veteran audience would hunger to see more of the veteran ghostbusters and the newer viewers would quickyly want to see the newer, younger ghostbusters. If they do this, they could follow the Police Academy model. That way the following movie after 3 would be with the new gb without the training wheels. :P<br />
Anyway, as for the rest. I really don&#8217;t care for Spiderman, The Thing prequel, or news about Lady Gaga. Oh&#8230; and Vampire movies. I am sick to death about Vampire movies&#8230; they all suck. A vampire is basically a parasite in my mind&#8230; we have those in real life. Tapeworms! Imagine that Twilight chick making out with a giant CG tapeworm with Robert Pattinson&#8217;s face on it. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Red Skirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Skirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryahhuyton, I don&#039;t mean to pick on you and I don&#039;t mean to imply you are some kind of misogynist. But there is a subtle sexism in society that has kept women back for years. People don&#039;t even know they are doing it. Let&#039;s break down what you actually said that rubbed me the wrong way _ and by the way I&#039;m not directing this at you but all men who may read this:

&quot;I thought “Star Trek” had a better story than “Avatar”. But that is from a male perspective. &quot;

You are saying Star Trek is a better movie than Avatar, because women can&#039;t appreciate it. You are inversely saying Avatar is not as good since men can&#039;t appreciate it. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Neither movie has a particularly strong story, and in my opinion and those of many other men, both friends, fans and critics, Star Trek has a weak story. That has nothing to do with whether it appeals more to men or less to women.

&quot;I do understand why you as a woman would prefer “Avatar”. “Avatar” with its characters is a much more female friendly movie than any Star Trek movie to date.&quot;

&quot;Female friendly&quot;? You mean overly-emotional, PMS induced irrational thinking? You&#039;ve already made it clear you don&#039;t think Avatar is as good a film as Star Trek and now you say it&#039;s because it has characters men can&#039;t relate to as well as women. The equation you have subtly set up is that it is inferior because it panders to women. The characters in Star Trek are plenty female friendly. I recall reading that Spock was a sex symbol when the show was on the air in the sixties, receiving huge amounts of fan mail from women. Certainly the actors in the new film only increased the sexual appeal of the characters. But give women a little credit, women can see through a bad story no matter how many hunky actors and sappy, touchy-feely dialogue spouting characters are written into it, which Hollywood has also chauvinistically assumed is what women want.

&quot;Since “Avatar” has made 3+times the revenue, it stands to reason then that many more women prefer that movie.&quot;

While this may have been meant as an innocent casual comment, it is the underlying analysis that  ruffles my feathers. There is absolutely no scientific proof to your theory. Just your observations, based on your perceived stereotypes of women. To prove your assumption, you merely make a casual assessment of your unique experience. The first night I saw Star Trek, the theatre was mostly couples. I recall seeing a few pairs of women together, and some guys together as well. So, at worst, that&#039;s a 50/50 ratio. At Avatar, I saw mostly families. Mom, Dad, and seemingly more boys than girls. I also saw several single men. Besides me and my girlfriends, I saw no other women together or alone. Now I would never assume I knew the exact demographic makeup of those screenings without sitting at the door and clicking off the the men and women as they exited. But you&#039;re saying you eyeballed exact percentages. Not only that, but it represents every audience in every theatre everywhere. Then the final insult is that of the almost 200 million people who have seen Avatar, you&#039;re saying almost 130 million of them are women? Really? Whereas of  Star Trek&#039;s 52 million audience, you claim 70% were men. The implication is that had Star Trek been more female friendly, it would have gotten those 130+ million women to see it as well. The irony is that either way you slice it, Avatar is even drawing more men than Star Trek did.

But it really isn&#039;t even the unscientific way in which you are supporting your observations, but the fact tat your conclusions seem to be based on your initial assumption that Star Trek appeals to men and Avatar appeals to women. And the underlying reason for that assumption is that Avatar isn&#039;t as good a story.

Again, I am not calling you a sexist, I am only pointing out that your argument is sexist, despite your actual intentions. Your point is not lost on me. Avatar has a wider appeal, whereas Star Trek is more limited. But to say that appeal is limited to women alone, especially when you think Star Trek is a better film because you are a man and then go on to offer unscientific evidence to prove it, well, what can I say ... that is a sexist way to voice it, even though you did not necessarily mean it that way.

If I had to guess, I would say that Avatar is drawing more children of both sexes than either adult men or women. This is the same reason Star Wars did so well. And E.T. But again, I have read absolutely nothing about the demographics driving Avatar&#039;s meteoric numbers and I would not presume to offer my guesses as proof of anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryahhuyton, I don&#8217;t mean to pick on you and I don&#8217;t mean to imply you are some kind of misogynist. But there is a subtle sexism in society that has kept women back for years. People don&#8217;t even know they are doing it. Let&#8217;s break down what you actually said that rubbed me the wrong way _ and by the way I&#8217;m not directing this at you but all men who may read this:</p>
<p>&#8220;I thought “Star Trek” had a better story than “Avatar”. But that is from a male perspective. &#8221;</p>
<p>You are saying Star Trek is a better movie than Avatar, because women can&#8217;t appreciate it. You are inversely saying Avatar is not as good since men can&#8217;t appreciate it. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Neither movie has a particularly strong story, and in my opinion and those of many other men, both friends, fans and critics, Star Trek has a weak story. That has nothing to do with whether it appeals more to men or less to women.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do understand why you as a woman would prefer “Avatar”. “Avatar” with its characters is a much more female friendly movie than any Star Trek movie to date.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Female friendly&#8221;? You mean overly-emotional, PMS induced irrational thinking? You&#8217;ve already made it clear you don&#8217;t think Avatar is as good a film as Star Trek and now you say it&#8217;s because it has characters men can&#8217;t relate to as well as women. The equation you have subtly set up is that it is inferior because it panders to women. The characters in Star Trek are plenty female friendly. I recall reading that Spock was a sex symbol when the show was on the air in the sixties, receiving huge amounts of fan mail from women. Certainly the actors in the new film only increased the sexual appeal of the characters. But give women a little credit, women can see through a bad story no matter how many hunky actors and sappy, touchy-feely dialogue spouting characters are written into it, which Hollywood has also chauvinistically assumed is what women want.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since “Avatar” has made 3+times the revenue, it stands to reason then that many more women prefer that movie.&#8221;</p>
<p>While this may have been meant as an innocent casual comment, it is the underlying analysis that  ruffles my feathers. There is absolutely no scientific proof to your theory. Just your observations, based on your perceived stereotypes of women. To prove your assumption, you merely make a casual assessment of your unique experience. The first night I saw Star Trek, the theatre was mostly couples. I recall seeing a few pairs of women together, and some guys together as well. So, at worst, that&#8217;s a 50/50 ratio. At Avatar, I saw mostly families. Mom, Dad, and seemingly more boys than girls. I also saw several single men. Besides me and my girlfriends, I saw no other women together or alone. Now I would never assume I knew the exact demographic makeup of those screenings without sitting at the door and clicking off the the men and women as they exited. But you&#8217;re saying you eyeballed exact percentages. Not only that, but it represents every audience in every theatre everywhere. Then the final insult is that of the almost 200 million people who have seen Avatar, you&#8217;re saying almost 130 million of them are women? Really? Whereas of  Star Trek&#8217;s 52 million audience, you claim 70% were men. The implication is that had Star Trek been more female friendly, it would have gotten those 130+ million women to see it as well. The irony is that either way you slice it, Avatar is even drawing more men than Star Trek did.</p>
<p>But it really isn&#8217;t even the unscientific way in which you are supporting your observations, but the fact tat your conclusions seem to be based on your initial assumption that Star Trek appeals to men and Avatar appeals to women. And the underlying reason for that assumption is that Avatar isn&#8217;t as good a story.</p>
<p>Again, I am not calling you a sexist, I am only pointing out that your argument is sexist, despite your actual intentions. Your point is not lost on me. Avatar has a wider appeal, whereas Star Trek is more limited. But to say that appeal is limited to women alone, especially when you think Star Trek is a better film because you are a man and then go on to offer unscientific evidence to prove it, well, what can I say &#8230; that is a sexist way to voice it, even though you did not necessarily mean it that way.</p>
<p>If I had to guess, I would say that Avatar is drawing more children of both sexes than either adult men or women. This is the same reason Star Wars did so well. And E.T. But again, I have read absolutely nothing about the demographics driving Avatar&#8217;s meteoric numbers and I would not presume to offer my guesses as proof of anything.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanhuyton</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanhuyton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#90 If you think that I was being sexist, then you are overly sensitive. I wasn&#039;t stereotyping anybody and you know it. I damn well know the definition of &quot;sexism&quot; but its clear to me that you do not. I said what I said based on how much more money &quot;Avatar&quot; has made versus &quot;Star Trek&quot;.
I have said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT OR TOWARDS WOMEN on this site ever. I merely offered my opinions on why &quot;Avatar&quot; has vastly outgrossed &quot;Star Trek&quot;. And I most certainly wasn&#039;t profiling anybody at all. I was just telling you what I saw. But there is really no point in arguing with an IDIOT like you. You have decided to label me a sexist and I have tried to convince you otherwise but to no avail. It ia apparent that you are a bully, looking to pick a fight. Congratulations, I&#039;m sure you are feeling pretty high and mighty right now.

I stand by what I said and will not respond to anymore of your insulting replies. Have a nice f**kin&#039; day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#90 If you think that I was being sexist, then you are overly sensitive. I wasn&#8217;t stereotyping anybody and you know it. I damn well know the definition of &#8220;sexism&#8221; but its clear to me that you do not. I said what I said based on how much more money &#8220;Avatar&#8221; has made versus &#8220;Star Trek&#8221;.<br />
I have said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT OR TOWARDS WOMEN on this site ever. I merely offered my opinions on why &#8220;Avatar&#8221; has vastly outgrossed &#8220;Star Trek&#8221;. And I most certainly wasn&#8217;t profiling anybody at all. I was just telling you what I saw. But there is really no point in arguing with an IDIOT like you. You have decided to label me a sexist and I have tried to convince you otherwise but to no avail. It ia apparent that you are a bully, looking to pick a fight. Congratulations, I&#8217;m sure you are feeling pretty high and mighty right now.</p>
<p>I stand by what I said and will not respond to anymore of your insulting replies. Have a nice f**kin&#8217; day!</p>
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		<title>By: Desstruxion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desstruxion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Trekmovie, how bout some info on the Yamato/Star Blazers movie that I just saw the trailer for.  Any chance it&#039;ll get dubbed and premiere over here in the states?  I sure would like to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Trekmovie, how bout some info on the Yamato/Star Blazers movie that I just saw the trailer for.  Any chance it&#8217;ll get dubbed and premiere over here in the states?  I sure would like to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stroud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Stroud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I still want to see Bill Murray in a Captain&#039;s uniform for the next Star Trek movie.  This guy has real talent, I&#039;d love to see him as Commodore Robert Wesley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I still want to see Bill Murray in a Captain&#8217;s uniform for the next Star Trek movie.  This guy has real talent, I&#8217;d love to see him as Commodore Robert Wesley.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Skirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Skirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#76. ryanhuyton, you really need to look up the sexism in the dictionary. Stereotyping women based on your casual profiling observations, especially when taken in a negative context, is the very definition of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#76. ryanhuyton, you really need to look up the sexism in the dictionary. Stereotyping women based on your casual profiling observations, especially when taken in a negative context, is the very definition of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Skirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Skirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#72 – If you really think I am agreeing with you, then you also agree Star Trek XI was as bad as Nemesis. Because that is the argument you are making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#72 – If you really think I am agreeing with you, then you also agree Star Trek XI was as bad as Nemesis. Because that is the argument you are making.</p>
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		<title>By: Bath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to make Spider-Man 4:

6 different villains 
4 different love interests 
ugly old actors and actress frowning and crying for 2 hours straight 
multiple cringe inducing scenes 
lots of cheese 
recycled moral themes 
PROFIT !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to make Spider-Man 4:</p>
<p>6 different villains<br />
4 different love interests<br />
ugly old actors and actress frowning and crying for 2 hours straight<br />
multiple cringe inducing scenes<br />
lots of cheese<br />
recycled moral themes<br />
PROFIT !</p>
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