Democracy Fails: Twilight Shuts Star Trek Out At People’s Choice Awards January 6, 2010
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Paramount, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
The message of Star Trek since its beginning has been one of supporting the ‘infinite diversity’ of democracy, through the Federation. However, today the people have spoken, and apparently they love teen vampires. The Star Trek movie was nominated for five People’s Choice Awards, which were handed out tonight, but came away empty handed.
0 for 5 at People’s Choice
Star Trek has done well at some of these popularity contest awards in the past, cleaning up at the Spike Scream Awards, the Hollywood Awards, but at the big People’s Choice awards which aired on CBS Wednesday night, Star Trek ended up with nada. Star Trek had a total of five nominations in categories, here is how those went down (from official site).
Favorite MOVIE
- Twilight [WINNER]
- The Hangover
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
- The Proposal
- Star Trek
Favorite FRANCHISE
- The Twilight Saga [WINNER]
- Harry Potter
- Star Trek
- Transformers
- X-Men
Favorite BREAKOUT MOVIE ACTOR
- Taylor Lautner (Twilight) [WINNER]
- Chris Pine
- Joseph Gordon-Levitt
- Sam Worthington
- Zachary Quinto
Favorite BREAKOUT MOVIE ACTRESS
- Miley Cyrus [WINNER]
- Anna Kendrick
- Emily Osment
- Ginnifer Goodwin
- Zoe Saldana
Lautner (from Twilight) beats out Pine and Quinto for ‘Breakout Star’
This is a similar result to the Teen Choice Awards held over the summer, where Star Trek was up for five nominations, but was shut out. Twilight was also the big winner of Teen Choice Awards, including Lautner beating Pine for ‘Fresh Male Face.’
That’s ok though. Star Trek still has the somewhat unique position of being nominated or buzzed about for both these popularity contest awards and the prestigious awards (like the Producers Guild, which just nominated it for film of the year).
In Trek related PCA news, JJ Abrams & Damon Lindelof’s Lost got beat for best drama by House. The only geek friendly winner of the night was the Big Bang Theory, which wonfor Best TV Comedy.
UPDATE: Orci has the solution!
Star Trek writer Roberto Orci seems to have come up with the solution for the next movie. In the comments section below, Bob writes:
It’s clear what the sequel
must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.
If you missed Twilight…
Wondering what all the hub-bub is about? Here is the Best of RiffTrax version of Twilight so you can see why it truly is the People’s Choice.
For more Twilight fun, Wired has put together Top 20 Unfortunate Lessons Girls learn from Twilight, here are the first five:
- If a boy is aloof, stand-offish, ignores you or is just plain rude, it is because he is secretly in love with you — and you are the point of his existence.
- Secrets are good — especially life-threatening ones.
- It’s OK for a potential romantic interest to be dimwitted, violent and vengeful — as long as he has great abs.
- If a boy tells you to stay away from him because he is dangerous and may even kill you, he must be the love of your life. You should stay with him since he will keep you safe forever.
- If a boy leaves you, especially suddenly (while telling you he will never see you again), it is because he loves you so much he will suffer just to keep you safe.
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No, not Twilight! Dx Such a shame…
Wow, Miley and Twilight win… A-W-F-U-L!!!!! Hopefully Trek gets some oscar noms.
Ugh. Twilight sweeps…AND they shut out both Harry Potter and Lost.
People’s Choice Awards, you are DEAD to me…
For the next movie, the Enterprise’s photon torpedoes will be replaced with wooden stakes….
WTF TWILIGHT SUCKS DICK BALLS I rather let true blood take that award instead of that bullshit twilight
I am disgusted. Enough said.
It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me realize that not only will humanity NEVER reach the heights it has in StarTrek, but also…we do not deserve to. You all know it to be true!
When movies pander to the lowest common denominator, it’s not surprising that the lowest common denominator would like it
MDSHiPMN just choked to death on his own vomit after seeing the results.
These awards are such garbage ahaha you know it’s a bunch of preteen girls flooding the system with Twilight votes! Im surprised Twilight didn’t win for best comedy movie…
fraking twilight
So I guess the only votes that counted were 14 yo girls. Lol
Britney Spears was the best Musician of any kind, Ever!!!!!
I’m not surprised, this is what happened at the MTV Movie Awards last summer and this is pretty much the same thing…
I could care less.
At least Zoe Saldana was nominated today for an NAACP Outstanding Supporting Actress award for Avatar. Guess Uhura didn’t measure up.
Umm..the trek base from the last 30 years doesn’t care about alt-universe trek THAT much. There aren’t two vampire movies ever made that had exactly the same kind of vampires. So the ladies win a vote – get over it.
Well, that’s a lesson for Star Trek. Next time just forget the script. acting ability, set design, effects, scores, cameos, and tribbles. A shirtless dude with a six pack running around the woods all day will do the trick.
To win a people’s choice apparently you need only 2 things… I’ve got the camera, now all i need is a bowflex.
When I was 14 two years ago, I was hooked on ‘Trek, and didn’t like Twilight. Hahaha.
Twilight ruined vampires for me. D: But at least Amelia Atwater-Rhodes, Octavia Butler, and the Salt Vampire are still there.
Oh, and #4 :: A-MEN.
What a bunch of crap….
Are 14-year-old girls the only people voting in this?
Miley Cyrus- give me a break, is that what they what she does called acting? Miley Cyrus, I still can’t believe it. I read it and as the robot from LIS used to say “it does not compute”. I think the only people that voted were “Bubble headed boobies” since I was on the Lost in Space theme. S1 of LIS was awesome, some of the best Sci Fi TV, S1 that is…
Complete BS. However, as I said in the story before this, the People’s Choice Awards are irrelevant. They matter about as much as the Twilight movies themselves … meaning, they don’t matter at all. Sure, if Trek had won any, it would have been good, but it would have really been no big deal.
#20 :: I actually did go on and vote. Good bunch that did. =/
But then again, I’m 16… Not that I’m in the majority of voters. Half my school is crazy for Twilight. It’s a sad, sad thing… But I’m pleased to say that a good number of people also loved ST09. There’s hope for my generation, yet!
Democracy has Failed
Never underestimate the power of the teeny-bopper audience.
Cleary the “People” choosing these have the IQ of a coconut. Encouraging more Twilight movies to be made should be illegal.
I’m just piss at this bullshit
Take a deep breath.
They are only movies.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Say it with me.
They are just movies…
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Complete and utter bullshit, when THAT movie is the worst thing EVER made, and it brainwashes everyone left, right, and center. I USED to like it, but I’ve rediscovered quality. I piss on you, Twilight; may the Klingons use you for toilet paper.
I second Lt. Liz’s motion!
This is why I have never respected People’s Choice.
I should note that I don’t respect most awards shows, even the Oscars. It’s all mostly poppycock.
Folks, Twilight is a massive phenom right now. New Moon has made 700 mil in the short time it’s been out. Of course it’s going to win awards. It doesn’t reflect on Trek in any way. I’m certain the two can co-exist and the universe won’t end.
MC1 Doug
Well, I’m not all emotional about it, since the People’s Choice Awards are irrelevant. However, if you want to be technical, movies like ‘Twilight’ and ‘New Moon’ are not “movies.” They are unwatchable pieces of garbage designed to cash in on women’s fantasies. The sad part is, some of the women who watch them (though thankfully not all) actually thought they were good. Fortunately, practically all of them are girls who are too young or too lovestruck to have yet learned the difference between movies and garbage.
32. sean
Well, the fact that ‘Twilight’ exists at all is in itself a sign of the end. :-P
Everyone: there’s no need to get so upset. The People’s Choice Awards do not matter in the slightest. They are not even followed or mentioned on the Awards Daily site. They are irrelevant. Yes, the ‘Twilight’ trash does suck, especially compared to something like ‘Star Trek,’ but teenyboppers are going to vote for what they like, and what they like is trash that plays out their fantasies on the screen and which does not require active brain processes to watch. Kids and teens like stupid, mundane, insignificant things; that’s just how they are. So, let’s not make a big deal over the fact that young teens voted for trash made for young teens for an awards ceremony that means nothing.
That’s a bunch of crap!! I am so sick of Twilight everywhere I look and now this?? What has this country come to?? Where did the people go that actually know what a good movie is?? I saw Star Trek and the first two Twilight “movies” and Star Trek was by far the BEST. Please tell e that there are more people than just us that has any kind of idea about what a good movie is??
Charles, I’m kind of surprised to see your vitriol aimed toward something that a lot of people like and enjoy. One post, I was ready to move on. Two posts caught my attention. Three posts made me flashback to the high school bully picking on the Trekkie.
I have zero interest or knowledge of Twilight, but I don’t think it is too cool to demean it (and by association the people who enjoy it) by calling it “trash” and “garbage” and saying it “sucks.” If someone is passionate about something and inspired by the something, that is cool. I don’t care what it is. (Definitely sounds a lot like high school in here, where the “cool kids” are trashing the Trekkies, circa 1985.)
All I can say in response to this: The kids voted for the wrong “Twilight”. The better “Twilight” was an episode of “Enterprise”. Sure, its only 44 minutes long, aired on t.v about 6 years ago, but that episode is a classic.
This vampire movie, “Twilight” is a piece of crap. I haven’t seen it of course, but judging by the reviews and clips, I doubt I’m wrong.
#23 Why don’t you “force” some of your friends to sit down with you and watch the “Enterprise” “Twilight”? Heh Heh!
I don’t really consider awards to be nothing more than opinions. I mean, a lot more people care about “Star Wars” than “Annie Hall” or “The Dark Knight” over “Slumdog Millionaire”. All that matters is in the long run “Star Trek” will be highly regarded and remembered while the “Twilight” films will be buried six feet under in the annals of movie history.
Miley Cyrus…..well….
How did the romulan commander say in DS9: “Where have we come to???”
I find it hard to believe this Taylor lautner dude won best actor. You might as well sharpen his head and fire him out the torpedo tube so wooden is he an actor. Yeah. Nicely developed body though. Not jealous of that at all. My girlfriend dragged me to see new moon for that very reason. And she’s 25. I’m especially surprised since I just watched star trek 09 again two nights ago and I have to say, the more I do watch it the more impressed I am at chris pine’s performance. He just IS kirk (more than any other actor manages to pull off their respective character, in my opinion. Even moreso than karl urban and he wouldve been my highest rated performance until now).
In saying all this, it really is water off a duck’s back. People say the peoples choice awards don’t mean anything but the truth is, none of these award ceremonies do. It’s always someone’s opinion vs. That of someone else and really, there is no concrete reason why any of it should hold true. If you like the movie, then why not just leave it at that? Why, last week I announced the nominees for the innaugral annual Philip Dunlop awards. The fact that no-one was there to listen to them doesn’t make them any less valid than, say, the oscars. And if there was an award ceremony that I did respect the result of (mainly because they select films that I happen to agree deserve to win – most if the time) it’s the baftas.
As an aside, I find it funny that a lot of people are bemoaning the “14 year old girls’” fantasy-aspect of Twilight. I suppose that means they’d be opposed to zoe saldana or a group of Orion lesbians showing more flesh in the next star trek movie then? Yeah. Right.
They shouldn’t have messed around with the Big E
Twilight wins?
By a landslide?
I suppose “the people” have spoken.
(sigh)
This is why I have come to dread election night.
Miley Cyrus? An actress? Really?
Man I hope our SALT VAMPIRE get’s them…
I’m into vampires under the right circumstances, but I really couldn’t care less about the ‘Twilight’ series (or ‘The Vampire Diaries’ either for that matter).
Democracy Fails…, when you don’t get what YOU want? Hmmm…
(don’t censor me bro’!) ;-)
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Colonel Green is right.
ST09 was very “appealing”, but not like Twilight… LOL
Oh well.
Well it’s very likely that Twilight’s next bunch of nominations will be for several Razzies. Something that Trek won’t be.
And it’s likely that Twilight won’t get a single Oscar nomination, but at least Trek will be nominated for something.
Evidence of where our world is going (and why).
Twilight sucks.
End of speech.
I can’t say I was surprised at all about Trek being shut out.
When it came to the categories Trek was nominated in they didnt have much of a chance. I knew that the same people who vote for the MTV Movie awards voted for these categories namely teenage girls because Trek went up against Twilight or an actor from Twilight in each of the categories or in the case of Zoe Saldana she went up against Miley Cyrus.
Their love of the Twilight brand is just that strong. Expect the same next year from Eclipse my friends.
Saddens me to think of all the movies that came out in 2009, according to the public New Moon was their favourite.
#34 Well said sir. I salute you.
This proves we live in an Idiocracy. No one cares about plot anymore. It’s all about flashy effects
It’s clear what the sequel
must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.
#38 :: Actually, my friends would probably love ENT’s “Twilight”. God knows I did. I nearly got misty-eyed… but then again, I weep at everything. xD;
In fact, when I first caught wind of “Twilight”, that episode was the first thing that came to mind. I saw Archer and T’Pol in an alternate timeline instead of Edward and Bella, hehe.
(Archer an’ T’Pol would, by the way, are/would be a much better couple than those other two. But that’s just me, and of course I like her with Trip best. ;3)
#53 :: Mr. Orci, if you wrote a one-scene script involving intergalactic vampires vs. Star Trek, that would be enough for me to make my whole year.
But then again, there was that awesome Fringe episode with the creepy girl who sucked out people’s spinal fluid…
#53 How about for the next movie you feature the crew of the Enterprise make a deal with the devil (Borg) to help them defeat or assimilate the greater evil ( “Twilight vampires). :-)
53 boborci
A Reman is in love with Uhura… oh, forget that. :p
I am so glad I did not watch the so called People’s Choice Awards tonight. Star Trek is the best (Star Trek) movie I had ever seen since the Wrath of Kahn and First Contact. I loved every second of that movie and the actors (Zach Quinto, Chris Pine, & Zoe Saldana) and the people who made the movie did an excellent job and they should’ve got those awards, not those non-talented nobodies.
As for Twilight, I’ve seen the movie and I was excited at the time cause I read all the books, and as it turns out, the movie was so horrible, I was laughing throughout the whole movie. The actors are horrible…. in fact, everything about the movie was horrible really.
As for Miley Cyrus winning Breakout Movie Actress… I was shocked!*okay, not really shocked, but you know.* Miley is not a Breakout Movie Actress to me, Zoe was, and she did a great job in Star trek and in Avatar.
You know what? I’m so sick of those non-talented “Actors” and “Singers” getting awards and basically shunning the talented actors and singers. I’m so sick and tired of Twilight, and I wish it would go away!
It’s really a shame that people don’t give a damn about talent…all they care about is good looks. Okay, I’m done ranting.
…Twilight…Miley Cyrus…Grrrrrrrrr!!! Where’s that Omega Molecule when you need one!
Get over it people, Star Trek has played a significant niche in the American entertainment and cultural landscape, but its always been far from all things to all people. Mainstream yes, but definitely not all encompassing. Though I agree Twilight or Miley Cyrus aren’t my things either.
The People’s Choice awards just isn’t Trek’s crowd…
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/aceman67/1262581700843.jpg
Nuff Said.
#58 The People’s Choice awards are a popularity contest. Nothing more.
It was no surprise in regards with the results. Hell, I even see “New Moon” garnering Oscar nominations in technical categories while “Star Trek” and “District 9″ get the shaft. Oh well! Unfortuneately, the “Twilight” phenomenon won’t be going away any time soon. There still is “Eclipse” next summer, as well as “Breaking Dawn”, which may be broken into a two-part movie to maximize revenue. Grrrr! Let’s just hope it ends there!
Well, they should have kept the salt vampire in the movie. :)
Kanye Says:
“Yo Miley, I’m really happy for you, but Zoe is one of the best BREAKOUT MOVIE ACTRESS of all time”.
That “Favortire Franchise” thing is screwed up.
In twenty more years, everyone will still remember stuff like Transformers and (maybe) Harry Potter and Trek (well, duh. It lasted 40 years. Why not 20 more?), but Twilight will be history.
So, just make it stop, right now. Coz it’ll be forgotten soon enough.
PS: Maybe the Trek sequel will be subtitled “Wrath of the Salt Vampire”
37. Gabriel Bell
Heh, well, I sat through the first movie. It was, to put it lightly, unwatchable. Also, I don’t think we can really compare this to a bully’s treatment of Trekkies or nerds. These are merely words. I’m voicing my opinion on a franchise and its effects on youth and women. If I think something sucks, I’m going to make it known. If someone disagrees me and wants to voice their objection, fine. I’ll stand by my opinion, they’ll stand by their’s.
I also wouldn’t say Twilight has “inspired” people. Unlike Trek, “Twilight” is nothing more than a fad that will likely pass in a few years. Assuming, of course, no more books are written. Also, unlike Trek, Twilight was almost immediately popular, and considering most middle and high school-age girls enjoy the franchise, I don’t see there being many bullying incidents over someone’s love of the franchise.
I personally know many people who like Twilight. I tease them about it, and they tease me about liking Trek (though most of them also like some Trek). It’s all a matter of taste and opinion. My opinion is that Twilight is poorly-written, poorly-acted trash. Of course, based on reviews and ratings, the majority of people who have seen the movie agree with me, but that’s beside the point. :)
@BobOrci
Noooo…..angst ridden teenage SALT VAMPIRES….yeah…..thats your sequel right there,
38. ryanhuyton
“This vampire movie, “Twilight” is a piece of crap. I haven’t seen it of course, but judging by the reviews and clips, I doubt I’m wrong.”
That’s not right, man. You are right, it is a piece of crap, but you really shouldn’t be going around spreading that opinion if you haven’t seen it. I have at least seen the first movie and *know* it’s crap. The second movie I haven’t seen, thus I can only say what I’ve heard about it. But… eh, whatever.
40. Philip
“I find it hard to believe this Taylor lautner dude won best actor.”
It’s the People’s Choice. They didn’t vote based on talent. ;)
“People say the peoples choice awards don’t mean anything but the truth is, none of these award ceremonies do. ”
That is true, but when I said that, I meant among the showbiz/Hollywood community in general, in addition to everyday audiences.
“As an aside, I find it funny that a lot of people are bemoaning the “14 year old girls’” fantasy-aspect of Twilight. I suppose that means they’d be opposed to zoe saldana or a group of Orion lesbians showing more flesh in the next star trek movie then? Yeah. Right.”
I doubt the Trek folk would make an entire movie revolving around sexual fantasies. That’s pretty much all ‘Twilight’ was.
45. I am not Herbert
“Democracy Fails…, when you don’t get what YOU want? Hmmm…”
No, just when rubbish gets accolades over something good. Again, though, the PCAs mean nothing.
50. Davenet
“I can’t say I was surprised at all about Trek being shut out.”
Nor was I. It’s the PCAs, after all. One step above the Kid’s Choice Awards, one step below the MTV Movie Awards.
53. Boborci
“It’s clear what the sequel must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.”
So long as the vampires get their pale butts kicked. :)
missed one…
61. Aceman67
YES! That woulda been great.
The People have spoken … and boy, do I wish they’d kept their mouths shut.
‘Twilight’ is utter bilge. It’s a Harlequin romance book. Very sad that this tripe received undeserved recognition.
53 Boborci, maybe the answer is a reboot of ‘Catspaw.’ :-)
This is why I don’t like cinema as much as I use to these days.
When things like Transformers 2 and Twilight get to be the big money makers and the good quality stuff does not get a look in.
This is why I am not a fan of the mainstream.
17
Nail on the head, this is why I hate the mainstream and probably not that fond on Trek pandering to them rather than the fans.
Unfortunately we need to pander to the mainstream to get the bucks to keep Trek going.
Its a vicious circle but guess the mainstream is the nagative points to keep our favourite stuff going.
I seen Twilight unfortunately and it was an awful movie, it was very boring and its hype escapes me.
Can i ask what is wrong with today’s teen audience?
I’ve seen large portions of this board slobbering worshipfully at the butt of mainstream pandering for a long time now.
Observing the reactions here are a FEAST of delicious irony.
Enjoy. I know I am :)
Star Trek fans stop being babies and get over it ! THE WOMEN LOVE TWILIGHT AND HATE ALL YOU WANT BUT I think they have good reason to love those books. I loved them myself !
53. Boborci – January 6, 2010
It’s clear what the sequel
must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.
———————————————————————
Actually, it’s been done already…….. Stargate:Atlantis (the Wraith)
I agree with all the comments about Twilight….. it’s juvenile candyfloss and appeals only to adolescent girls’ fantasies. Star Trek is the only movie in 2009 which was supported across all age and generation demographics. For that reason alone, it should win Best Movie honours.
Twilight is a movie??? is a Joke?????????
Well, I am certainly glad that I didn’t even pay attention to any of it. The People’s Choice Awards should just have been called the Teenie-bopper/juvinile choice awards.
And don’t get me started… Favorite Break out Movie Actress? Miley Cyrus? You’ve got to be kidding me. Most people (including myself) think she’s the most untalented and annoying 16 year old alive. Go on iTunes and look her up, comments generally request that she cease singing and acting.
And the funny thing, according to IMDb, whose ratings are tallied by regular people such as you or me, both Twilight movies were lousy. 5.8/10 for Twilight and 4.6/10 for New Moon. And Star Trek was holding at 8.2/10.
So therefore if democracy said that Twilight was lousy and Star Trek was awesome, wouldn’t democracy have Star Trek defeat Twilight in these awards as well?
I only hope this this sort of thing won’t lead to the sequel aiming for a broader and more easily pleased with light-weight, shallow, pretty-but-empty entertainment. I want a Trek that’ll be nominated for a best original screenplay oscar and win Hugo awards. Come on Bob, I know you guys can do it. Stay pure and rock the world!
Call me crazy…
I love those books but the first movie was so bad I considered walking out; I kept thinking “maybe it’ll get better…”
At least we know that Twilight isn’t going to be nominated for an Oscar.
What’s even better, I just checked the Razzie contenders, Star Trek is not a contender, but Twilight: New Moon is.
And I did another check, Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier, the most hated Star Trek movie, has a higher rating than New Moon. 4.9 for ST5 and 4.6 for NM.
I’m sorry but when people think that Star Trek 5 is better than New Moon, makes you wonder how Twilight was even able to make the people’s choice awards at all.
These award shows never give the right films the awards. Last year, it should have been The Dark Knight. This year, Star Trek. Hopefully next year, Inception, The Expendables and Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps.
What’s next? Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen or G. I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra defeating Star Trek or Avatar at the Saturn Awards for best picture?
83
The people voting for New Moon are not voting because of the film they are voting because they all fancy Robert Pattinson.
The people who are voting for MTV movie awards are not voting for whats cool rather than what’s good.
People who vote in X Factor usually never vote for who is actually any good.
Now do you know why I hate the mainstream.
#79: “And the funny thing, according to IMDb, whose ratings are tallied by regular people such as you or me [...]”
If by regular people you mean hardcore media fans, sure.
The Peoples Choice Awards seem to only represent the teen audience anymore. I don’t know how they can call it the People’s Choice because Star Trek has far outperformed Twilight box office, dvd and blu-ray sales combined.
Teenagers are taking over the world. They won’t listen to their parents, the have no respect for their teachers or any elders, Hollywood caters to them, and they ruined Star Trek at the People’s (Teenager) Choice Awards…thanks to knowing how to outvote us all online. Beam me up, Scotty, there’s no intelligent life down here.
I like the Twilight Saga, I like the Harry Potter series AND I love Star Trek. I also like Taylor Lautner and his abs.
I’m also disappointed that Star Trek hasn’t won but… I’m mostly disappointed by your hate tirades here, guys. You always talk about diversity and equality and acceptance. Now look at all the comments here.
Well, time to change the name fo the People’s Choice Awards to the Young Teen Girls’ Non-Science Fiction Choice Awards, I guess.
I’m not getting the “democracy fails” headline. Is democracy a failure whenever we don’t like the outcome of an election? LOL
And the thing is why should Star Trek be radically changed to appeal to these teens?
Because they are the target audience in Hollywood these days and what once had quality will now be notched down for the lower common denominator.
Look at these inferior remakes happening.
Its sickening. Really is.
I am sorry
Sure, Dennis. Just take a look at the past 3-4 U.S. presidential elections and what people have to say about that! lol ;-)
Decaf., I say…decaf.
Never underestimate the power of internet-savy, romantically starved teen and pre-teen girls.
74 – Your just plain weird.
75 – Maybe the books were good, but c’mon, the first movie was poorly acted and drudgery to watch. It did not leave me wanting to see the next movie at all let alone the next day like Star Trek did.
The movies in my opinion were dull, with dull actors. I hate to say it but women are so predictable with these things. When will women wake up and support more interesting and fun movies that have brains????
I am erasing the PCA that was recorded on the DVR thanks to reading here first. I am glad I won’t have to endure the pain of watching that “show.”
Clearly the voting was dominated by girls age 12 – 16. Response bias in the most classic sense. Whatever. Star Trek is obviously the better film. In 5 years Twilight will be the butt of jokes whereas Star Trek will be alive, well, and beloved by millions. Write that down.
I do think some are taking this too seriously. The whole ‘democracy fails’ was just a joke. I never expected ST09 to win at PCA, just like i dont expect it to win Best Picture.
The only serious note is, as pointed out in article, it is impressive that Star Trek ends up in the zone of both the popularity contest type awards and the prestigious awards. Only Up and Avatar really share that for 2009
f**k twilight
I’ve come to warn you of a Fiendish plot!
Vampires from the 8TH dimension!
HAHAHAH……everyone knows there are only 5 dimensions!
anyway….it would actually be cool to see vampires mixed with star trek. After after Star Trek, Buffy is my favorite franchise. (haven’t seen nor am i interested in twilight)
Anthony
I feel that the attention alone that the Trek XI is getting is the important part here.
Yes I have gripes against the changes that JJ Abrams made but I do see that the movie gave the attention.
The attention will get people to watch the Trek we love. I don’t expect Trek to get a best Picture nomination just because none of the others got a nomination. Why would this one be any different.
I still feel that if heath Ledger had not died that he would not have got the posthumous oscar for Dark Knight. The mainstream is a funny thing.
I am sorry if I am venting against the mainstream but seriously the mainstream culture today does not interest me. Look at the increase of reality shows and shows like X Factor. And people don’t vote for who is good.
I’ve lost faith in the People’s Choice Awards.
101
Twilight is giving vampires a bad name.
Apparently teen girls find it sexy when Edward is watching Bella sleep in her bedroom. My friend was right in that she said that “Its really creepy.”
So a lot of Twilight fans would love a centuries old ‘teen’ vampire watching them as they sleep. Not sure what this says but I don’t think this is a healthy thoguht. LOL
Words can not express how grateful I am that I do not have teenage daughters. I would be hip deep in this crapy vampie/love story crap if I did. Thankfully I was blessed with two sons who Love Trek!
@’I am not Herbert’
Democracy failed because Twilight won everything and Star Trek won nothing.
HOW CAN LIFE BE SO CRUEL?!?!?!?
I hate twilight!
106
it just proves why things out of the mainstream are better
I didn’t really expect Trek to win anything. The Twilight contingent is strong.
Really happy Alyson Hannigan and Glee won!
The only FAIL here is us Star Trek fans NOT VOTING!!!! If enough of us had, we would have won. It is called the People’s Choice!
I wasn’t surprised, Twilight has a huge following in the tween to 20 something crowd, more than Trek has. No account for taste but I am glad Trek or Trek actors were nominated at all. When the real awards come on (Oscars) then I’ll be watching because the people doing the voting are not all teenagers.
important thing there is nomination for Trek actors
My only regret is that the original actors never got this honour.
#52. “This proves we live in an Idiocracy. No one cares about plot anymore. It’s all about flashy effects”
I think Star Trek already proved that.
#97. “I hate to say it but women are so predictable with these things. When will women wake up and support more interesting and fun movies that have brains????”
Thanks for adding to the male sexism already rampant on this forum. Charla, you are talking about a small majority of the female population who chose to vote on the People’s choice awards, and you really have no idea how many boys voted for Twilight either. I doubt any of them took it very seriously. And I would be shocked to learn that the majority of those who voted were little more than teenagers. Boys or girls, teenagers have a lot to learn about brains and their importance. So lay off the girl bashing – that goes for everybody.
Even Star Trek had a better plot than any shitty Twilight movie / books, Twilight is made for little brainless teenagers :)
Ha Ha! This is funny! The people have spoken, they know BAD Star Trek when they see it! Thank you people who voted!
Long live GOOD Star Trek, down with the BAD!
How many People’s Choice awards did Star Trek ‘09 get? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m feeling warm and fuzzy like a Tribble now!
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I agree on both points you address.
In regards to your second point I do agree it is unfair to limit the blame on teenage girls but perhaps I could say its the current youth market who vote more for what’s popular rather than what’s actually good.
The point I made in 104 is actually a scary point about some of the Twilight fans
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But Twilight winning is a joke.
In regards to Twilight saga, the number of people reading the books now is increasing, odd thing is and I don’t mean to be sexist but I have yet to see a male read it on the bus, but I have a friend who is male who likes it but not the film so much.
I agree that Trek XI has very little plot but it is one of my favourite films of 2009. However, its when you put that film along with a lot of the other Treks you see that there is no Comparison.
Haha, hilarious. Emo-vampires beat out emo-trek. :)
But seriously, RiffTrax is awesome. Go to their site and buy their stuff. I have.
Like all of you, i am disgusted that FREAKING TWILIGHT WON…….this, coming from a teenager. I think People’s Choice Awards have been infiltrated by female teenegers (don’t look at me). I admit that I was taken by the Twilight Saga, but not because of its epic romance but because of one luscious doctor…..Edward’s Dad @_@.
Obviously, Star Trek is better. Simple as that. It is a popularity contest and it shows that people DO NOT have taste. Although i can see why LAUTNER beat Chris Pine at the Fresh Male Face category but…..Taylor Lautner as best actor?!?!?!?!?! WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?! Can’t people see how easy it is to play a lovesick teenager when YOU ARE ONE?! Playing Spock, now THAT is hard. i can’t even start explaining how difficult it is to play the complex character that he is, so i salute Zachary Quinto for taking on that role, making it his own and doing a job that honours the character and the franchise. In fact, the makers and cast of Star Trek should not need recognition from silly awards. They should know that they did the best they could and thats that so GO MAKE ANOTHER ONE!!! ^_^
PS: People change, all those adults who love Twilight will stop and the teenagers will grow up.
I agree. The People’s Chocie and Teen Choice awards are going to be virtually the same because us adults don’t have time to vote and revote 20 times a day for a month or two. The only way to defeat it is to somehow allow 1 vote per person. Otherwise, it’s meaningless from now on.
goes to show just how much these award ceremonies do not value quality work, but rather crazed fangirls who read such atrocious writing and watch such horrible films,
I hate the People’s Choice Awards with a passion. The idotic Twihards have struck again. IMHO these awards cater to the lowest common denominator. What is popular isn’t always good. I am holding out for the Golden Globes and the BAFTA’s. I don’t care much for the Oscars either.
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Exactly right
Its this reason why I despise appealing to the mainstream these days. The stuff mainstream loves I don’t get into
I can’t believe people get so emotional over stupid, pointless award shows. And by that, I include the Grammy’s and the Oscars.
Guys, I feel your pain, I really do, but can we please stop lumping all teenage girls into one category? Yes, a LOT of them do adore Twilight, but there are quite a few that would rather gossip about how ugly Robert Pattinson is than how he’s perfect for Kristen.
#97 :: “..When will women wake up and support more interesting and fun movies that have brains???? …”
OUCH. Seriously, man? Is that seriously how you think of women? What is this, the 18th century? No. NO. For your information, there are plenty of well-versed, intelligent women out there who do support movies with “brains”, as you put it. I think maybe you need to wake up and realize that you can’t just lump every female in the human race into the same category, bud.
“I’ve seen large portions of this board slobbering worshipfully at the butt of mainstream pandering for a long time now.
Observing the reactions here are a FEAST of delicious irony.”
Indeedy.
When the latest Trek movie, hyped as the “rebirth” of the franchise, was promoted with a trailer featuring an aerial (”woo-hoo!”) skyjump, thumping heavy metal and the tagline “THIS ISN’T YOUR FATHER’S STAR TREK,” for better or worse it did pretty much establish what demographic the filmmakers were going for. And I’m shocked, simply shocked, that this demographic, trained from birth to respond to media hype, dutifully paid their money and then moved on to the latest and greatest prefab manufactured event before their Trek ‘09 ticket stubs even had a chance to grow cold. That movie is now but a distant memory to them.
Of course, had J.J. Abrams and his “Supreme Court” chosen to build upon more of what worked in TOS besides its spirit of fun and adventure (yes, they got that right in spades), it’s still entirely possible that Trek ‘09 still would have lost-out at last night’s “People’s Choice” awards. But at least it would have been more memorable for adults.
Would Intergactic Vampires really be that far off the mark? Kirk and Spock beam down to a planet where a vampire bites one (Spock being my choice) and he goes schizo. The other of the duo works to free his friend from the effects of the vampiress as she weaves her otherworldly spell around him… Well, it would capture the fourteen-year-olds anyway…
It seems like they snubbed quite a lot in the nominations for the People’s Choice Awards. I thought that State of Play and Public Enemies would be get some nominations or awards. Now watch next year, Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps, Inception and The Expendables better win a truckload of these awards.
#126 :: I don’t know, with a little bit of tweaking, sounds like a workable TOS episode. xD Kind of a la “Catspaw”.
2010’s best films –
Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps powerhouse cast:
Michael Douglas, Shia LaBeouf, Josh Brolin, Frank Langella, Carey Mulligan, Susan Sarandon, Charlie Sheen, Eli Wallach, Jim Kramer,
Donald Trump
Inception powerhouse cast:
Leonardo DiCaprio, Ken Watanabe, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Marion Cotillard, Ellen Page, Tom Hardy, Cillian Murphy , Tom Berenger, Michael Caine, Lukas Haas, Talulah Riley
The Expendables powerhouse cast:
Sylvester Stallone, Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, Mickey Rourke, Eric Roberts, Steve Austin, Randy Couture,Terry Crews, Bruce Willis, Governor Schwarzenegger
All this shows is who votes most for the People’s Choice Awards…teenaged girls and women. Of those nominated, New Moon deserved to win the least in each category, so it’s nothing bad about Trek, just bad about who’s voting and their sad, apparently lack of taste in anything quality.
Kirk needs to lose his shirt next movie so that the teen girls will see the movie. It happened enough in TOS so it won’t be such a departure.
Frederick#131- Kirk AND Spock need to lose their shirts… trust me…
I know nothing about “Twilight, ” “New Moon,” etc. I have been a life long fan of Star Trek, but let’s look at this realistically. “Star Trek XI” sucked, so the people didn’t choose it. Plain and simple!
“Star Trek XI” will win nothing at the academy awards for the same reason. It was not a good film.
“It’s clear what the sequel
must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.”
I thought someone already did this. It was called “Serenity”.
Just goes to show how idiotic the majority of the American movie goers are. I’m ashamed to be part of that group honestly. Between Twilight and Transformers 2 I think we saw just how dumbed down the audience has become. I haven’t seen girls revert to a state of intelligence near that of brain death like this since Titanic and Leo DiCaprio and at least that was a good movie, even if it was a chick flick. Its a bad time for movies as far as awards go. You have the Academy Awards which only hand out to a select few movies of a very certain type, and then the people’s choice awards come out and the prositots vote in droves for something as mind numbing as this. Its pretty bad when Spike’s Scream Awards seem to offer up the best results.
I don’t mean to “bash” women by saying they don’t appreciate movies with brains and action- I as a woman feel that most women I have come across are mostly interested in movies of the heart and not necessarily of intelligence. While women are indeed smart and intelligent, it is hard to come by many who like action or sci-fi movies.
There are many women who are interested in science and I being one of them have been treated most different in the world of women when the subject of science comes up. I am only speaking of first hand treatment of a woman by other women when I would rather go to the planetarium in the city where I live than to go shopping or clubbing. I am looked at as boring to some, but I to me this is by far more interesting and fun to do.
As for the correlation of this to my statement, which I stand by as many of my women colleages didn’t even bother to watch the new Star Trek, but many of them went in droves to TNM. Why? To see what they had read in the book on the big screen. That is great, but the movie really hasn’t done the books justice according to most fans of the book. I seen the movie, and it really was long and slow moving for me. But different strokes eh?
This backlash agaist twilight frankly stinks of elementary school boys vs girls. Sorry entertainment directed at female audiences isn’t written the same way as male geek audiences. It’s not that tragic some girls got to play with your vampire action figures.
The new trek had absolutely nothing going for it in plot – all it had was cherished characters that were already totally culturally entrenched making a return.
Vampires suck! (not mine :)
Seriously, after Whedon vampires anything else seem like crap.
#132. Denise de Arman
Kirk AND Spock need to lose their shirts… trust me…
AND Doctor McCoy! Please!
Also, Red Skirt and #124, I am on the girl’s side, I would just once love it if more women would stop perpetuating the mentality that [women only like this, or that] and for once show support for something totally unexpected, even if it is just a movie. I for one abhor the way most movies portray women as sex objects. I am not talking about Twilight either- but some of the other “blockbusters” of years past.
It is embarrassing to watch and even if they are a strong character the writers or directors still believe that it is necessary to have unhealthy skinny but beautiful women FOR INSTANCE have their breasts “accidentally” fondled by a man while he is in a bar fight. (Which imho was absolutely the worst scene in the Trek movie, I mean c’mon stop pandering to the horny teens/men already, Transformers, etc.) I could go on citing other films attempts at humor/sexiness at the woman’s expense, but we would be here alllll dayyyyy lonnnggg.
Women should stand up and say something, but they won’t. Wouldn’t it be great to see an average Jane portray something of importance in film. Is that Science Fiction? Because you don’t see it…. or maybe I haven’t heard of it yet?
I personally won’t spend money on films that portray women as sexually motivated, depraved idiots, and I really have a dislike for the women who TAKE money from “film makers” to further this ideation by being in these films. But money talks- so they will continue to be made.
So if Bob Orci, if you see this, I know I am a minority through gender and in thought, according to many, but please don’t bring Star Trek down to the level of other “films” that use women’s sexuality as an opportunity to get the attention of the majority of the audience, it doesn’t need that to be a good movie.
Just my two cents, nickel and a dime. So let the bashing begin…
Long Live Star Trek.
Long Live Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the TV series).
#139 :: I know I disagreed with you earlier, so I apologize if I overreacted a bit. But you’re now bringing up some really good points, the main one being:
“We need stronger women in scifi.”
ST09 took me back a little too far to TOS. I was expecting a little more command; a little more strength from Uhura. I felt her portrayal was unfair to the character… not to mention the very tiny skirt as part of her uniform. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t that small in TOS.
So I second that to Bob Orci. ‘Trek has always stood out as being open-minded and fair. Don’t bring the rebooted franchise down to the level of a lot of recent scifi… I’m sure even the male twenty-something target audience wouldn’t mind that.
141. Christine – January 7, 2010
“not to mention the very tiny skirt as part of her uniform. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t that small in TOS.”
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Guess again!
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#142, either way, there’s no excuse to stick Uhura into it again. I realize it wasn’t your decision (or maybe it was ;-)
Nevertheless, since this is a whole new universe as I’ve heard you say numerous times, there was absolutely no reason Uhura had to go back into the limited 1960s role of intergalactic receptionist. Just like Kirk leapfrogged several ranks from cadet to Captain, Uhura could have just as easily been some kind of operations specialist with a background in linguistics and had a much larger role in the command hierarchy. Instead she was pretty much the sex object with a big … ah … vocabulary. Not to mention, a pretty sketchy approach to manipulating herself into the positions she wanted, whether she was qualified or not. Reminded me way to much of some of my girlfriends. By the way, I caught it on PPV this Christmas and don’t think I didn’t notice the sly way you worked “exceptional oral skills” into her mouth. Nice little double entendre there … I think it was clear how she was meant to be portrayed. ;-)
143. Red Skirt – January 7, 2010
She leap frogged just like Kirk, going from cadet in the bowels of the ship to bridge post based on her ability to distinguish languages that the ranking officer could not. Not to mention, by tipping the balance of the debate between Kirk and Spock on the bridge, Pike reaised shields, went to red alert and they survived. She saved the ship. I don’t recall Uhura doing that in any of the movies.
Bob, I think the biggest controversy about Uhura is her uniform’s sleeves length. Why are they so short?
Back to topic: The People’s Choice Awards are a joke. I mean, c’mon, The Proposal was picked best comedy over The Hangover? WTF? It makes no sense….
I understand keeping to the history of Trek and I love that it was decided to keep the original uniforms and assignments. This made it more nostalgic and true to the original. Uhura’s skirt was short from the start.
The very first episode of the series shows the women in pants like the men. Someone must have got ahold of Gene and had to have said, “No, no this won’t do! Women must be in short skirts!” I say this because pants on women weren’t seen much after the pilot.
I think Uhura couldn’t have advanced any farther than she did in ST09 because again, this would change the history of the characters as we knew them to be. So while Gene’s version of Uhura was essentially unheard of in the 60’s era and seemed ultra feministic, by today’s standards her role may seem subdued by the male characters.
I do like the way Bob and Alex stuck with the original story through the generations, despite the differences of these generations. It is like actual history, and I can appreciate that. It’s the addition of the un-necessary sexual innuendo’s associated with these characters that I feel detracts from the movie.
James Kirk is and was always depicted as kind of a womanizer. That is ok, because again it is sticking with the history of the original. But Uhura can bring about a small, subtle influence to the young women of today by making her a character that remains true to the original series without the sexual references (or grabs.) She should be able to wear the mini skirt and still be beautiful, just not taken for granted or used to the advantage to get a laugh or two.
Uhura was given credit in the movie by Spock as being unmatched in xenolinguistics, and her role was an important one as she did her part in saving the Enterprise. I was happy to see her involved to such an extent, because Uhura though supportive in previous movies and TV episodes hadn’t played a key role in the survival of the crew until now.
Did I forget anything Red Skirt? :D
Thanks Bob, still love the movie!
Boborci :: I apologize if anything I said was.. insulting, I didn’t mean it that way. Just kind of opened my big, electronic mouth and rattled off without thinking. It’s a beef I’ve had with movies for a long time, though.. And I do say, Uhura is a much better character all-around than another popular sci-fi female of the past year, a certain girl by the name of “Mikaela” from a certain Transformers movie… If that makes either of us feel any better.
This just proves how unimportant the People’s Choice awards have become.
Zach Quinto should have won as breakout star of the year. Anyone who doubts that need only watch his amazing performance in Star Tret XI.
If I cared at all, this would bother me, but since I didn’t even watch this stupid award show, I’m cool. ZQ will win when it counts. He so deserves it.
@144. “She leap frogged just like Kirk, going from cadet in the bowels of the ship to bridge post based on her ability to distinguish languages that the ranking officer could not.”
You definitely did develop Uhura’s skills in linguistics. Heck, we get no less than three scenes showing her how much she knows. And when the opportunity to prove herself emerges and she takes her station on the bridge…she….!!…..finds out that there’s nothing out there. Not the best way to pay off her skills by figuring out something that anyone with a sense of hearing could have figured out. It’s like if you developed this character to be a mathematical genius who and is tasked to solve this one equation that this one ranking guy says he doesn’t think he could solve, and when the equation pops up, it’s just 2+2. Anyone could have solved it. And when the Narada hails the Enterprise, does Uhura do anything like she did in the original series like put the transmission onscreen, translate the romulan language so Pike could understand Nero, or anything useful? No. He forces himself onto the screen and speaks perfect english.
And did the original Uhura ever leave her station three times in one sitting due to personnel reasons in the midst of a crises? No. Even in the final battle, she leaves her station just to walk to the Transporter room and snuggle with Spock. It’s kind of funny when you watch the scene where Kirk says “Hail them now” after Chekov tells Kirk that the Narada is losing power, you can see Uhura rushing to her station. I guess we don’t really need Uhura on the bridge if Chekov and that other coms lady can do her job for her. Heck, after Uhura takes her station, every communication’s task is given to someone else.
I guess what I’m trying to say is this. If you’re going to put so much emphasis on Uhura’s vast knowledge of linguistics, being at the top of her class, stating that her skills are unmatched, the least I as an audience member would expect is to have those skills pay off when she’s finally at her station. The whole point in putting her at the coms station was because she could do things the ranking guy couldn’t do. Does she do any those things? No. It only got worse when other officers did her job in the later scenes.
One last thing Bob. Uhura may not have done much in the movies, but there was this one instance where she did in fact take command of the Enterprise for one episode. She helped save Kirk, Spock, McCoy and everyone else when they were all powerless. She didn’t wait for Kirk to come running in with puffy hands to take action, or be put on the spot just to prove that Kirk’s report was accurate. The classic Uhura took command! And yes, I know. That was from the Saturday Morning cartoon show that everybody seldom talks about. But I do find it amusing when that one little cartoon episode gives Uhura the chance to take command during a crises and gets to saves the day on her own even though everything else that’s regarded as sacred in Star Trek doesn’t even come close to doing for her character.
“It’s clear what the sequel
must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.”
Sounds like Stargate Atlantis! ;-)
I too enjoy strong female sci-fi characters (and strong male ones.) I’m a big BSG fan for that reason. But, Trek has a good track record. It also has some deplorable lapses. I thought ST09’s Uhura was fine. Despite being on the poster, Uhura is NOT co-equal with Kirk and Spock (and in the sequel, McCoy.) Neither is Scotty or Sulu or Chekov. They’re great #2 bananas. But, the heart and soul of TOS is the triad. The rest of the family is good support.
Hey — how about are REALLY smart, strong, INTERESTING female villain? Kirk could chase her at the beginning and blast her nacelles at the end. Kind of a Batman-Catwoman dynamic. C’mon, the fans want this!
Evil Chick!! Evil Chick!!
I wonder what would happen if someone walked up to Taylor Lautner and yelled, “Hey! Lava Boy!”
I’d take “Spock’s Brain” over Twilight.
Uggh.
I am finding all of this very amusing. :)
Just thought I’d say that. :-P
126. Denise de Arman: “Would [Intergalactic] Vampires really be that far off the mark? Kirk and Spock beam down to a planet where a vampire bites one (Spock being my choice) and he goes schizo….”
Damn Grrl!! That would ROCK THE SH*T!!!
…perhaps a (salt) vampire? sexy unconventional (space) Vampiress! anyway…
…and YES, Kirk must get dirty and bloodied, and get his shirt shredded!
yeah, might as well shred Spock’s and Bones’ too!!
I LOVE STAR TREK & MOIST PANTIES!!
#151 :: YES!!! Female villian all the way!!! They make the best ones, because we all know how savagely cruel women can be. And there aren’t enough really cool evil gals in Star Trek.
I must admit that I was quite rash in condemning “Twilight” as crap without even seeing it. I just don’t have any interest in seeing these movies. I can’t really argue with teens loving these types of films. They are allowed to like what they want. The categories were Favorite Actor, Favorite Film, Favorite Franchise, etc. Notice how they are called “FAVORITE and not “BEST”. There is a difference between the two. One is about a specific preference/taste, while the other is based on overall technical quality. In other words, we should take The Peoples Choice Awards as it is and just respect the voters choices, even if we don’t agree or even like it. That is one of the fundamentals of democracy. Not everyone can win and/or get what they want. I was out of line putting down something that means a lot to many people. For that I am truly sorry.
Would I rather have seen “Star Trek” sweep the awards instead of “Twilight”? Absolutely! Does it matter? Absolutely not! And I bet that a lot of people who visit this site also happen to be “Twilight” fans as well. After all, “New Moon” and “Twilight” have both made boatloads of money. The books are the decade’s most popular outside of “Harry Potter”. You can’t argue with success. I just hope that everyone keeps things in perspective.
#156 The best female villian in all of Star Trek, and one of the best in all of movies and shows, is the Borg Queen. Actually, seeing as how she is one of only a few female villians in Star Trek, that is an easy one. However, as portrayed by Alice Krige in “Star Trek: First Contact”, the Borg Queen was quite different from most other Trek villians because she had no concept of morality. Having a woman as the main villian in “First Contact” was much more interesting than a Borg King. The Borg Queen is able to use her femininity to manipulate Data, an android who was supposedly in control of his emotions and desires. She had her own twisted charisma which could not come from a man. So much power over so many “individuals” as well.
Lets all be honest. After watching “J.J.’s Star Trek” once, everyone enjoyed the quick and refreshing romp. As the hype started to fade away, many people stopped and said, “Wait! What the hell was that?”.
Face it, “J.J.’s Star Trek” killed the franchise for hardcore fans, and that is where the true bread and butter was being made. Regardless about all the money and effort spent on this “Lost in Space” and “Star Wars” version of “Star Trek”, the franchise was broken from overexposure, lack of originality, and a lack of progressing into a third generation. “Star Trek” is stuck until another science-fiction visionary comes along; thus, J. J. Abrams is the wrong man for the job.
Within 20 years from now, someone will pick up the mantel. They will ditch the ‘alternate-time line’ trek, and start fresh with a “Star Trek: The Third Generation” type of show.
Trek’s strength comes from moving forward and upward. Trek lost these award because the franchise is not new. Its old.
Its time to put the franchise away for another 20 years, so the fans and non-fans can look at it wish fresh perspectives.
Roddenberry’s “Star Trek” is not dead. Its just resting and waiting for another visionary. That is all. Only a long period of time will reignite this franchise in a proper way.
#159 Speak for yourself. I continue to enjoy this movie, as does most others on this site. Plus, you can’t ignore the fact that this movie actually is now the highest grossing over the previous 10. Most critics gave the film a positive review as did Anthony and most others on this site. The movie continues to be one of the top sellers on Blu Ray and dvd. Its “unqualified” success has guaranteed at least one more sequel. Many hardcore and casual fans of the franchise have returned after skipping on “Nemesis”. Even new fans were created by this movie. And I would bet that a lot of interest has also been renewed in previous Star Trek films and shows. J.J Abrams has proven himself to be a great director who knew what it took to bring “Star Trek” back to the masses. And Star Trek is moving foreward, just in a new timeline where new adventures can be told with classic characters. Just because you didn’t like the movie for some reason( your reason is legitimate, of course) doesn’t mean this movie sucks. Quite the contrary actually, according to a poll done by Anthony a while ago. It ranked second, behind only “The Wrath of Khan”.
For me, it ranks third, behind “TWOK” and “First Contact”.
#158 :: Keep in mind I said, “not enough“. ;3 But yes, the Borg Queen has certainly stood out! She’s my second fave villian, after Khan… But I always thought her infatuation with Picard (or whatever that feeling of hers was) was really strange in a creepy sort of way. xD
There were also a few Romulan gals that were pretty awesome, whether or not they were “villianious”. And we can’t forget Intendant Kira from the Mirror Universe side of DS9! That was one strange girl.
#144. Nice try sweetie. I’ve seen the movie several times. Not like I could miss Uhura’s on-camera contributions, such as they are.
I dare you to do better. ;-)
147 Christine
No need to apologize! I sure appreciate you weighing in and I agree with your sentiments. Thanks for being honest and articulate. You are the customer and I learn from your opinion. Happy new year.
Fantastic movie, Bob. Now how about a new engineering? I think Scotty has been getting drunk down there? Heh heh!
Definitely a new Engine room
The Bud brewery is really crap for the Engine Room.
An Engine more akin to the series would be preferable. At least it will feel like its the 23rd Century
137- well said. The first paragraph, anyway
it occurs to me: if the people’s choice awards were REALLY based on popularity, then it’s likely star trek wouldn’t have won bes picture anyway. That wouldve gone to the hangover. Oh. A movie made for guys. Who’d've thunk it?
#149: Really excellent post. I’m tempted to build on it, but really it just deserves to be savored without distraction.
The scene where she snuggles with Spock in the Transporter Room was out of character for Spock in my opinion. In the original series whenever Spock was overcome with emotion it was an embarassment to him. In The naked Time he closed himself off in the briefing Room, in Amok Time when he smiled as he realised Kirk was alive look how he tries to explain it off logically to McCoy.
The Spock played by Quinto just shrugged it off by saying he did not wish to talk about it. I know this is an alternate universe and Spock in this universe is altered due to the destruction of Vulcan (not a thing I was happy with) which I can accept in the new movie universe but to me it still does not ring true for the character of Spock I loved.
#160. ryanhuyton,
J. J.’s version of “Star Trek” is a cartoon. Every quote and accent was an overblown mockery on the original. Plus, there is even a scene were Kirk’s hands and lips were enlarged by Bones giving him a hypospray. Add in Scotty’s little green friend, and you have a remake of the old “Star Trek: Animated Series”. It was a fun romp, but it was very-very pathetic.
J.J.’s “Star Trek” didn’t even deserve to be nominated for ‘best musical score’. My ears were bleeding from the obnoxious soundtrack. It was distracting to such a level that it caused me to be annoyed.
It doesn’t mater if this movie smashed the previous ten in profit. What maters is if it has long term success and staying power. It doesn’t have any.
I just did some quick looking at the Oscar nominations. “Avatar” also made it into the list. Chances are that “Avatar” will win Best Picture, for the movie marks Cameron’s second to make it into the top 5 movies that have made over 1.0 billion. Also, Cameron hasn’t had a movie out for ten years.
“J. J.’s Star Trek” doesn’t hit Cameron’s “Avatar” level of sophistication (cgi) and originality.
You did some quick looking at the Oscar nominations?
are you a time traveler?
I wish I could see those Oscar nominations now….
#34
Eh. Twilight is good at what it’s trying to do. It’s just a slightly trashier teenage version of Dark Shadows. The remake of which starred the new Sarek, Ben Cross. So ya know, six degrees of separation. Or something :)
#159 “Face it, “J.J.’s Star Trek” killed the franchise for hardcore fans”.
Spoken like a hardcore Bermanite. THAT particular era of Trek was already dead when JJ was given the thankless, and seemingly impossible chore to breath new life into that rotting Bermanized Corpse of a franchise. Fortunately, for me and millions of other TOS fans, he did the impossibe…and along the way, he did it with great class and reverence to the original series.. For lovers of the not-so-TOS-ish 24th century…oh well…that ship has not only sailed, it sank.
#171, LOL, he’s in posting from an alternate universe on one of those typewriter-thingy’s they use on Fringe! LOL
#166, Philip, the Hangover was not made just for guys. I and my girlfriends saw it and loved every second of it. I doubt its mass appeal was lost on anyone when the studio green lit it.
#175 :: He’s not one of those freaky shapeshifter people, now, is he? Pseudo-Charlie? Haha.
You know, I’d like to see Star Trek get nominated in the Academies, maybe even win, in a few categories, just to leave all you nay-sayers speechless. I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.
This just proves that “people” are mainly 10-14 year old girls, or at least have the intelligence of them. Apparently, people love pathetic vampires and shallow love stories.
At least we have the Producer’s Guild Award nomination. A rock has a better chance of being nominated for that than Twilight.
#174. star trackie
“THAT particular era of Trek was already dead when J. J. was given the thankless…”
“Star Trek: TOS” was not dead. It was past it’s time. Do you even know why “Star Trek” is in trouble?
J. J. Abram’s “Star Trek’ movies will not help in the long term; thus, they don’t solve the real problems with the franchise.
“Star Trek’s” problem is from a lack of scientific evolution, original stories, and the next step into the future. Unless they make a series that evolves the franchise into “the third generation”, the “Star Trek” franchise is dead on arrival. J. J. Abrams is using already established storylines, characters, and technologies, which many-many hardcore and casual fans are tired of.
According to some of the rumors, Khan will be in the next movie. All they are doing is recycling older story concepts, and then repackaging them within a different dressing. <—- That is what caused casual and hardcore fans to walk out the door. No more original storytelling. Just new dressing.
At this point in movie and television history, we are seeing a series of rebooted movies and shows. Why? No one has an original concept to brand, nor do they have a philosophical perspective that is revolutionary.
“Star Trek: TOS” and “Star Trek: TNG” were Roddenberry’s (and the writers he helped pick) philosophical theologies, which were inspired by men like H. G. Wells and Ray Bradbury. Even though he hired some great writers, the direction of the shows were guided by Roddenberry (and the people he trusted).
J. J. Abrams is mostly interested in action movies; thus, he doesn’t share in the ground work that “Star Trek” was built upon. He is not a visionary, nor does he have an original philosophical ideology to guide him. He just wants to make action and CGI based movies.
There is no ’soul’ in J. J. Abram’s “Star Trek”.
“Spoken like a hardcore Bermanite.”
Interesting. I don’t think you could find a more hardcore fan of TOS anywhere than James Cawley, who even managed to get himself a walk-on role in Trek ‘09, and wrote about his days on the set with great enthusiasm. Check the video on You Tube to hear how he ultimately felt about the finished product.
You people keep saying you want originality. Guys, that’s really hard to do when there have been eleven movies and over 700 episodes in the Star Trek franchise. The only way I can think that we’ll get new material is if we move into something relatively unexplored (I’m thinking Gamma Quadrant, a new species, some major potential threat, something that hasn’t been done extensively).
#181. Christine – “The only way I can think that we’ll get new material is if we move into something relatively unexplored (I’m thinking Gamma Quadrant, a new species, some major potential threat, something that hasn’t been done extensively).”
That is exactly where to start, but the writers and studio refuse to take that course. It amazes me that “Star Trek” is doing the opposite of which it was built upon. When you go into the direction, as we are conversing upon, everything has to evolve. New technologies, new species, new everything. Forget about going back and rehashing the hold. Its all ancient history. “Star Trek” suffers from not taking those steps, and not having the writers who can visualize what that stage of human evolution would be like.
“Star Trek” writers lost the fan-base because they didn’t have direction, which Roddenberry (and company) had brought to the franchise originally.
Lack of vision. Lack of ideas, Lack of originality. Etc…
J. J. Abram’s “Star Trek” is stuck in the same place, which the original “Star Trek: DS9″, “Star Trek: Voyager”, and “Star Trek: Enterprise” were originally battling to overcome.
Instead, they do prequels. Why? No new vision.
Science-fiction is written by individuals who have a vision, which they derive from the events, technology, and human condition of today. “Star Trek” did have action based episodes, but it also carried a theological interpretation of tomorrow. Who we are, where have have been, and were we are going.
“Star Trek” needs a new era to play in, and a whole new vocabulary to support the vision of that era.
As long as J. J. Abrams and Paramount play in the “Star Trek: TOS” and “Star Trek: TNG” era, the long term success of the franchise is dismal. Sure, they could win a few awards while making movies, but any television series made by rehashing, redressing, and rebranding the franchise will ultimately fail.
http://www.cinematical.com/2006/08/20/is-originality-dead-in-hollywood-or-has-it-just-stepped-out-for/
You know what I hate about this site’s members, it seems to have people speak down on the spin offs
A lot of Trek fans who love the original also love the spin offs.
What this site;s memebrs seem to proactice that its ok to bash the spin offs but if people don’t like the new movie then they would be considered a troll for not agreeing with other fans.
Am I missing something.
I love all Trek and hate seeing the spin offs get bashed.
I love it all.
MacTrek,
While I do agree that there were some missteps in the new “Star Trek” (such as the brewery, Kirk’s expanding hands and to a lesser extent, Nero) J.J Abrams did many more good things than bad. First the characters. The cast hit the nail on the head with regards to their characters’ portrayals. Leonard Nimoy put in a fine and fitting performance in what may be his final performance. He leant a certain gravitas which this movie needed to succeed. The CGI is so great, that it is clearly better than what was seen in the “Star Wars” prequels. The action scenes were awesome as well. The sacrifice of George Kirk at the beginning was classic Star Trek at its finest. There were many more good things that I don’t have time to mention.
Captain Neill
Stop complaining. 24th century Trek is still alive and well. First there is “Star Trek Online”. Yes, I do realize it takes place in the 25th century, but it is a continuation of the TNG era. There also are the books and comics as well as toys. While those aren’t part of “canon” they are still options for you. As for people knocking 24th century Trek, people have a right to like/dislike whatever they want. Actually, the amount of TNG bashing (while not at high levels) has actually dropped after the new movie came out. In fact, I have read many comments by people who ignored “Enterprise” during its run, but have since become fans of the series while watching the reruns or dvds. As I have said before, J.J Abrams not only made a hit with this new movie, but has helped rejuvenate interest in all the other series including TNG. In the end, you have nothing to worry about (quite the opposite, you should be excited) as the future of Star Trek is in great hands.
Excuse me while I go and beat my brains out of my head with a brick weeping at the huge FAIL of humanity.
#187 “What this site;s memebrs seem to proactice that its ok to bash the spin offs but if people don’t like the new movie then they would be considered a troll for not agreeing with other fans.”
Speaking as someone who does speak ill of the spinoffs occasionally (mainly Voyager), honestly I do think you’re at least a bit right … the site moderation has been (not so much lately, but during the weeks right after the film’s release) hypersensitive on the subject of the movie (at one point I was warned for trolling after _praising_ the film with insufficient cultish fervor), but I’ve never been given so much as a wrist-tap for VOY wisecracks.
But the moderation here is [Kirkish lower-lip tremble] Human … so I just take it as part of the defining character of the site, and accept it.
190
I still love the news on this site but it was something I felt about this sites message boards.
Yes out of the spinoffs Voyager is probably my least fav but I still love it.
I do enjoy the new movie but I love all the other Star Treks as well.
i must admit. star trek is the better movie. the vanpire movie in its own
way,was o.k. ,even though i did not go see it in the theatres. also, did
lautner really deserves the breakout award for his acting or taking his
shirt off . you decide. peace out.
the vanpire movie SUCKS. the next movie comes out in june 2010.
the fans will want to see if this movie SUCKS as well. peace out.
Oh my Good ..
two things are endless – the stupidness of humanity and the universe. I´m not sure with the second … Albert Einstein.
How can anyone possibly think that Twilight or new Moon could ever afford this award ?????
Lets put it like this – All those younger and hipper kids that J. J. and Paramount are trying to win over just voted for “Twilight” and “New Moon”. Any type of future for “Trek” will rely on maintaining the older fan-base and catering to that younger/hipper demographic.
Since J. J.’s “Star Trek” didn’t win the “People’s Choice Awards” (the younger and hipper demographic), the future of the franchise is pretty much dead on arrival.
The Oscars and Golden Globes are staged. “People’s Choice Awards” are voted on by the viewers. Very-very big difference.
“Buffy the Vampire Slayer”, “Angel”, and “Supernatural” opened a new tv genera for this generation, and it is also speaking to the older audience. “Stargate: SG1 & Atlantis” only exists because it reminds people of “Star Trek: TOS & TNG” without the reboot factor.
Even though I personally don’t like the “Twilight” franchise, I have to concede that it has captured the attention of the younger demographic.
When it comes to what people want to see, they are currently looking for the next “Buffy” rather than the next “Kirk”.
“Star Trek” has burnt up all of its fuel (for the time being). Casual and hardcore fans are looking for the 25th century “Trek”.
Again, they will make some cash off of a few movies, but the franchise has an almost zero chance of becoming a successful tv-series.
Its time to move onward.
MacTrek
Warning for Trolling
You appear to be here just to attack
you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. The fact that Star Trek was nominated (which was via popular voting) for the people’s choice was enough proof it played with the common folk, the fact that it didnt win is not proof it is ‘dead on arrival’ and that is just absurd.
And you certainly do not speak for all ‘casual and hardcore fans’ but our polling data shows that the new film has worked with both groups. Yes there is a small contingent who like you dont like it, I am sorry, but you are just a member of a vocal minority. I respect your views, but the film worked with most fans and you have to deal with that.
The simple fact is that Abrams Star Trek worked with the fans, the critics and the mainstream. There is plenty of evidence for all three groups.
Deal with it
#197. Anthony Pascale
I can understand why you are upset. Since I don’t fit into your collective, with my opinion, you find me to be a threat to your overall community. Since you cannot handle such an opinion, you have to call me a trollish invader.
Sorry, I am an individual who believes in ‘individuality’, and I do not conform to the collective in which speaks with one voice.
Yes, my observations are of an unique opinion, which stems from my interpretation of events. You and I are not the sole voice of any “Star Trek” fan-base, and your polls only have meaning to the eye of the beholder.
Live with it.
i am not upset, we have many differing opinions
however, you just joined in and all you do is attack and spout opinion as fact and seem, but the claim you know what all the hardcore and casual fans want was the straw
you are welcome to stay, just keep your opinions as opinions
#199. Anthony Pascale
You are very-very wrong sir. I have not spouted anything as fact. I gave an opinion that I have formed from life experiences, which I derive from watching this same scenario being played out in the past. Everything I am seeing and hearing is pointing to the past, and how things went down with other franchises. Some of it is from the history of “Star Trek”, and how the franchise was forced into a 20 year hiatus. I have also created my opinion from what type of story telling worked in the past, and what hardcore and casual fans respond to in the long term.
Intuition based upon my 25 to 30 year fan experience with the franchise.
I am welcomed to voice my opinion in any manner, which I personally feel is appropriate at the time its given. As long as I am not attacking anyone, like you did, I should be free to express such a perspective on a publicly accessible forum.
I can turn around and ask you the same.
Article title: “Democracy Fails: Twilight Shuts Star Trek Out At People’s Choice Awards”
Is that a fact? Is that an opinion? Did “Democracy Fail” according to your standards, or do you know for a fact that the majority voted for “Star Trek” and the award was given to someone else?
Who is calling the kettle black here?
MacTrek, did you forget to take your medication this morning?
I am a hardcore Trek fan and I do want Trek to survive so despite my gripes with some of the changes that Abrams made I am happy that Trek is back on top.
Yes I would have done things differently, but as long as it is a parallel universe I am happy for it to continue to run parallel with the other Treks.
Hope it is not a crime for not liking this Trek movie the best.
I was wondering how accurate the polls actuallly are.
On startrek.com they had a poll for best Trek movie and the new movie was high up, I believe second place.
Yet another Startrek.com member did a poll for worst Star Trek film and the new movie came up as second worse.
Go figure
What I am thinking about this is how accurate is a poll. The small percentage of anti Star Trek is probably because there are more fans for it it on this site than there have been on other sites.
Where would I put the new Trek in the top 11 of Trek movies? About 5th place.
# 53 – Bob Orci
“It’s clear what the sequel must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.”
Alright Orci, here’s the deal – if we’re looking to shut out the Twi-hards and clench People’s Choice 2012 we can’t stop at space vampires, we’ve gotta go all the way here man. That’s right, I’m talking about J.J.Trek II: Everybody’s Shirtless.
See, in the prologue there’s an outbreak of Talosian torso lice (or plot device of choice) on the Enterprise which requires everyone to be waxed, tanned, and yes – OIL DIPPED as its only treatment (the mission will naturally take place after a twelve week diplomacy mission to Bodybyjaketron XII).
Don’t even stop with the guys – oil everyone. EVERYONE. Guys, girls, Nimoy, Scotty’s little green friend, multi-tentacled aliens – NO DEMOGRAPHIC LEFT BEHIND man. We’ve gotta have them dripping with the stuff until whoever made the Christina Aguilera “Dirty” video looks like a choir boy by comparison, you feeling this?
http://vodpod.com/watch/177790-christina-aguilera-feat-redman-dirty
THAT’S when you launch into full on Space Vampire mode. Then throw a little Kirk\Spock\Uhura love triangle filled with angst, awkward dialogue, and Dakota Fanning for good measure – then BLIND THE WHOLE FREAKING THEATER when J.J bounces those lens flares off the whole oily cast like POW! I’m seeing serious dollar signs here man!
I know it’s genius – and it’s yours. Just give a shout out to me when you’re holding that People’s Choice Award over your head in 2012 and we”ll call it even. XD
- 24thCRS!
# 53 – Bob Orci
“It’s clear what the sequel must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.”
He must have missed “Star Trek: Nemesis”
One thing’s for certain. Star Trek won’t win any MTV Awards in the future and I’m not referring to New Moon.
Quinto and Pine will probably lose best male breakthrough to one of the Hangover boys.
As for Zoe? She will probably be beated to the post by Mia Wasikowska in the female breakthrough category.
There is one way to slow down the Twilight fan spam.That one way is Robert Zemeckis.
If he gives Breaking Dawn the Zemeckis MoCap treatment, even Twihards will be put off because of the motion capture style of Zemeckis. Afterall Jim Carrey’s A Christmas Carol freaked out teen girls.
At the Nickolodeon Kid’s Choice awards, Alvin & the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel managed to beat New Moon. If at MTV Movie awards Star Trek is against those chipmunks, who knows what could happen.
I’m predicting the MTV movie award breakthough categories. If you have better predictions type them in.
Male
Zach Galifianakis: The Hangover (winner)
Chris Pine: Star Trek
Jeremy Renner: The Hurt Locker
David Tennant: St. Trinians 2: The Lagend of Fritton’s Gold
Christoph Waltz: Inglourious Basterds
Female
Zoe Saldana: Star Trek
Carey Mulligan: An Education
Gabury Sidibe: Precious
Sarah Harding: St. Trinians 2: The Legend of Fritton’s Gold
Mia Wasikowska: Alice in Wonderland (winner)