John Cho Thinks Khan Would Be ‘Badass’ + Quinto Tweets About Star Trek Sequel January 11, 2010
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Are you ready for more Star Trek sequel news? Well Star Trek’s new Sulu is. In a new interview, John Cho is talking up what he knows about the next voyage of the USS Enterprise and offering his opinion about a certain genetically enhanced individual. Plus Zach Quinto tweets about Star Trek: Something Something sequel. Details below.
Cho wants Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
IGN chatted with John Cho on the set of his ABC sci-fi series FlashFoward, but of course got around to talking to the actor about the next Star Trek. Cho said he he was glad the origin story side was out of the way so they can get into things. He gave an update on the status of the film as far as he knows, saying:
Those are clever cats they’ve got over there and I’m excited about what it will be. Whether it will be something we’ve seen in the Star Trek universe, whether it will continue to go into new directions… it will be interesting. I think they must have locked down a concept or an idea because I heard there was a big meeting, but I haven’t seen them since and I haven’t heard where they’re going with it.
As for what he would like to say, Cho offered:
I’d love to see Khan out there. That would be badass.
IGN notes that ‘many a fanboy’ is looking forward to Khan in the Star Trek sequel. Although that may be true, the readers of TrekMovie (a good sampling of the core Trek fanbase) are decidedly against the idea. As reported in our ‘What the fans want’ polling report, only 6% were excited about the idea, with the rest either uncertain or set against it.
More from Cho on Trek, FlashForward, Harold and Kumar 3 at IGN.
Quinto tweets on Trek sequel
Another Star Trek star is also talking sequel, Zachary Quinto sent out the following tweet earlier today
the flag has been planted. june 29th, 2012. sequel. trek it out.
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gogo Sulu!
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
hollywood produces unoriginal stuff all the time and khan rebooted may be cool to see but it’s part of the hollywood mentality of: it worked once before so lets do it again!
i want a new Star Trek adventure…not a new take on what’s been done before.
Khan will make a serious summer box office smash and have so much fun with that concept in this new reality/reboot.
No Khan please!! I wanna see new characters and situations.
Star Trek: Khan, Now…
Khan Prequel later, maybe Kirk’s great great Grandfather is a US General or something.
No Khan please.. Not yet at least..
Thanks!
See…you… out there,,,,,
V’Ger!
Just Kidding!
or should we say… ‘NO KHAN DO’? lol! I’d love to hear that line from BOB or ALEX!?
NO KHAN DO!
Hey lads. At least say the line, that way we know where ye’re headin!
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Maybe Khan’s younger, less mullety brother could…
OH HELL NO. NO KHAN!!
Just don’t do it. Please!
NO KHAN
Do something original unlike every other terrible movie Hollywood has made for the past decade.
Khan would make no sense in the alternate universe. Besides all else, Spock will have warned Starfleet where he is, so there’s no way he can be a surprise.
Khan in the sequel will simply be a statement of imagination FAIL by the writers. There’s no use spending the first movie freeing themselves from continuity, only to make the sequels a parade of tawdry “greatest hits”.
i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: NO KHAN please!! i agree with #11.
Do something else please.
Just wanted to throw in my two bars of gold pressed latinum: No Khan.
Thanks… :-)
Khan hasn’t even woke up yet. Let him sleep!
We got awhile to wake him up, then years before he gets to make Kirk yell. KKKKHHHHHAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNN!
Good god please NO KHAN. Come up with something original.
Oh Yeah, Well said #11
I think we can rely on h\the writing staff to bring us some new adventures. They’ve proven themselves with the first movie to the fans, that they really know the dynamics of the Trek universe. I think that Spock Prime was a fun concept to tie in this movie with all the others, while it also was a great opportunity for new people to hop on the Trek-train. The last time thát was possible, was with ‘First Contact’.
I think we will really be surprised with the second movie, coming out in the summer of 2012. This new, alternate universe is a great way to tell new stories and i think thát’s what we will get. New enemies, new dangers and new stories to tell.
NO KHAN. DONT WASTE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE TREK UNIQUE AGAIN
NO2KHAN
Maybe not make Khan the focal point.. do something new and original, and then use Khan as kind of an added bonus.
The sequel doesn’t have to be ALL ABOUT KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe JJ should learn a valuable lesson from the Superman debacle. Every time Superman was relaunched the villian was always Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor. Stupid and short-sighted! Brainiac would have been a welcome and interesting change.
Now, with Trek having been relaunched with the first film to set it up, where does their imagination take them? Khan, Khan, Khan.
Surely the writing staff can come up with something better than THAT!
And if they can’t, then shame on them!
No Khan, No Shatner. Keep it original, fresh and fast paced. No time travel either.
I dont see why everybody sees this as such a bad idea. Its not like they would just be remaking TWOK. It would have a new twist to it. Khan was a big part of the Prime Timeline and if theories are correct that this new timeline is trying to correct itself, it make perfect sense that he would somehow show up. Just with a different outcome.
NO KHAN.
I can not stress that enough. Seriously, that’s the BEST they can come up with?
Yes, I know this is just Cho’s opinion, but I hope that he doesn’t speak for the rest of the team.
Something NEW! PLEASE!
NOOOOO KHAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!
cool…..first?
well I personally think doing a Khan orientated movie COULD BE DONE WELL
Please… no Khan. If the writers thought this last film was a monumental challenge, it would pale in comparison to re-doing Khan. (More importantly, re-casting Ricardo Montalban). Do your own thing, guys. Fresh stories in a fresh universe.
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Kahn can play a small part, He Genetically is responsible for the change in the Klingon DNA then they kill him …Then start the Klingon movie
Khan is too obvious.
Khan works. Why not?
Pity Heath Ledger is dead. ;-)
Trekmovie reports: “John Cho Thinks Khan Would Be ‘Badass’”
I reply: “John Cho is wrong.”
@24 and all others similarly
I would like to point out that it’s not all that they can come up with, in fact, it is us who have brought the debate up, not them really. They did like one article about how the chewed it over, but they probably did that with every trek villain seen in TOS, it just didn’t make headlines. We’re the ones ranting and raving about no Khan and blaming them all about it, and they’re probably sitting in their office reading trekmovie and saying “what the heck are these kids goin on about?!?”
I dunno, just makin sure both sides of the coin are flipped
You ditched the old universe so that you could tell your own stories. So tell them. Don’t rehash old stuff. Write new stuff. Be original.
Khan was a movie sequel of an episode anyway. Why go over the same ground? For the third time?
Meh, I thought time travel was an awful idea at first, and was VEHEMENTLY against the first movie, I enjoyed it thoroughly. IF they can bring Khan back and do it convincingly with a good story, I’m in. First choice is an original thing, though. Or Klingons.
I just lost a bit of respect for John Cho. To me doing another Khan movie would be like peeing all over Wrath of Khan, one of the greatest SiFi movies of any franchise ever. Please dont, be original.
Khan, done well, WOULD break the Box Office, for sure.
A Plea to the “Supreme Court”
Dear Supreme Court,
I come before you today on bended knee to ask….no, better make that beg…that you please avoid including Khan in the 2012 Sequel. Khan is/was a great character, but after dealing with him and his “Supermen” twice, I, and a great number of people, feel that including him again would be a great mistake. The story may be great, and it may be a great attractant for some, but to include Khan as the ultimate villain yet again would indicate to everyone, fans and non-fans alike, that Trek is Dead. This is not to say don’t include anyone from the original series, for instance having a character like Harry Mudd involved wouldn’t be horrible (as long as he isn’t the absolute bad guy), but to recast Khan, a character who has had his turn in a movie, would be a major mistake. Now, this is not to say I wouldn’t see the film as I am a Trekkie through and through, but many fans that I know would be incredibility upset. Please, gentlemen, please don’t let my voice fall on deaf ears and consider what I have said.
Thank you and Live Long and Prosper.
* anyone who agrees please indicate so in a post
I have no doubt that Bob could write an original story featuring Khan (and quite possibly the Klingons). He and Alex are just that good. “Star Trek” 09 is a classic and I have no doubt the next will be a double classic with an extra side of Trek goodness. I was initially opposed to having Khan in the sequel, but they can do it without rehashing what came before.
As for the title for the next one:
“Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan At World’s End On Independence Day 2012″. Heh heh.
I say again….Garth of Izar! Along sequel lines…I just watched Day of the Triffids and think Eddie Izzard would be a great Harry Mudd
Something borrowed,
Something blue,
Nothing old,
Make it new!
They should definitely do Khan.
#40
I dont think those of us who are saying “no Khan” are afraid that the writing team couldnt come up with a new story involving Khan. (that was a confusing sentence…sorry)
What im saying is….If they put Khan in the film….im sure they would have a new story….and the story itself would not be a “rehash.” But you see….Khan himself….Khan the character would be a re-hash. They dont need the Khan as a crutch to have a good starting point. They should be (and the probably are) creative enough to come up with something totally original.
Let’s have a whole new adventure. Khan was done. He was done well. Let that be.
#44 MYSELF…
Having said what i said. Im not saying that we cant have something familiar in the sequel. For example….im ok with …and all for introducing the Klingons as the enemy. And even elaborating on a character like Kang.
What they need to avoid in the next film:
1. Narrow-minded bad guy(s) with the forehead/ears of the week.
2. Bad guy that has a super weapon and wants to destroy Earth for no other reason than to blow something up.
3. Countdown sequence where Kirk and crew have to “Get out of here in 3 minutes” or they’re all dead,
4. Someone’s long lost brother/clone/whatever showing up.
5. Reinvented bad guys (KHAN….It’s been done, and it was done WELL. Don’t mess up a good thing).
What they need to do, and it’s only really one thing:
BOLDLY GO SOMEWHERE. or GO BOLDLY SOMEWHERE
They need to have the crew DISCOVER SOMETHING. Get back to the ships mission statement. I’m not saying they can’t have action and stuff in the film, but another straight up “Crew fights bad guy(s)” would just be more of the same and EASY way out.
I do think that a Kahn will be a good story as long as they do it with a twist. Although i would like to see something new for the new crew and not go back to old story lines. Star Trek is about going forward not backward!
I’m really torn on the Khan idea. Much as it would be fascinating ;-) to see him again who could possibly replace Ricardo? I watched the Directors cut of Wrath just the other day and it reminded me all over what an incredibly powerful and charismatic chap Mr Montalban was.
I can understand the attraction of revisting the characater, but oh boy, they would have to be careful! And very brave!
Let’s see some Ferengi teamed up with Harry Mudd or something. Maybe throw in the Organians, or the Talosians. Whatever they end up doing, Khan would be a gigantic mistake. He was the best villain in the entire franchise, hands down, and it would be an insult to all of us to try to cash in on his popularity.
i submit that khan could be a REALLY SWELL GUY in this new timeline.
like, he might be, i.e., a helpful, heroic rock star (mick jagger?) “jack sparrow’ kinda guy.
he COULD be a one-gloved* klingon-bashing, drinking-with-scotty , happy-to-help freak, yeah?
(*maybe a cgi michael jackson on 23rd century steriods?)
and, yeah, maybe he could be a bit fey (”from hell’s heart i tease at thee, tee hee, tee hee, gabba gabba hey…”)
but ya know, but, but still with big swollen tits. and a bunch of punk ass groupies.
listen up b’orci. this is good shit.
…yeah, and like, maybe jagger could be harry mudd, like, too. or maybe cast, like, dick cheney as khan… or, or, like, lady gaga could be, uh… rand. as in randy. but she’s like, a real synthanol slut. catfight with uhura. i can see this…
okay. i’m still working on this. i think i can save the franchise…
harlan can write it…
I think more John Cho would be badass.
So just give Sulu all of Khan’s lines :)
It’s like this – Khan could be done right. But he won’t be. If you guys do Khan, you’ll get it wrong.
It’s not your fault; it’s just how things are.
No Khan!
It’s not that I’m worried about doing it right or doing it wrong. I know that they will put together a great production either way, but they have such a great opportunity to take Trek in a different direction right now. Why Khan? It’s just not necessary.
46: My father had an interesting observation: isn’t narrow-mindedness part of what makes them bad guys? I think he has a point.
If Khan is in the next movie then I will be one angry Star Trek fan
And it will prove that Oric and Kurtzman have no original thoughts when it comes to writing a script.
Sorry but I against my fav stuff being rehashed.
If I wannnt to see Khan I can watch Space Seed or TWOK, he is an excellent villain and should not be touched because a redo would be an injustice.
If Khan is in next film then many fans wil be outraged
Star Trek 2012 would be a re-imagining of Space seed, not a remake of TWOK.
Khan has only been on star trek twice, and yet alot of posters are complaining that it is too much khan, yet the same people are pushing klingons, who have been in star trek countless times. I think that the third movie will have what everyone else seems to want, Klingons!
Why does there have to be a “bad guy” ?
“Does anyone remember when we used to be explorers ?”
Many great Trek episodes were done without a “bad guy”.
stay the frigg away from Kahn, for this sequal. maybe go for it in the 3rd movie . But the next movie needs to have a klingon as a villian.
You cant have a story now that kirk is established as the captian doesnt explore kirks relationship with the Klingon empire.
Its a mistake to have kahn be the villian of the 2nd movie of the new series. to easy for comparisons( probably mostly negative) to star trek II even if it is only a new take on space seed. like i said above perhaps in the third one but putting kahn as the villian in this second aleternate trekverse is asking for trouble.
I still think Nero is still alive and could be brought back.
Think about it: We didn’t really see him die. I could have escaped in a pod and sent through time again. Maybe we will see him in the sequel(s). More character moments maybe?
Although I’ll vote for Victor Garber as Kor….
a new alien race would be awesome
Something new but given these writers probably not likely
Unfortuneately, for today’s audience, a bad guy is a must. A movie such as “The Voyage Home”, for as unique as the story is, just wouldn’t bring in the casual moviegoers of today. There is a lot of competition and people want a fairly fast-paced story. Exploration of the stars is better suited to the small screen. It doesn’t mean that you can’t have some elements of exploration, but it can only be a part of the bigger picture.
Also, outside of the hardcore Trekkies, “The Motion Picture” is seen by many as a slow, tedious film. And that movie was about exploration.
The best bet would be having the Enterprise out in an unknown area of space with wierd anomalies while battling a familiar foe.
if they do Khan it will prove how imaginative Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman really are, after a film which drew upon TWOK.
I hate the mainstream, it pushes Trek away from what the fans want.
I think if the writers should learn something from Cameron’s AVATAR, then this:
Show us something NEW, no more reboots or revisots of old 60’s stuff. Star Trek means to go on and explore things no one has seen before.
It was not possible in the 60’s, 80’s or even the 90’s. Not enough money.
Now Paramount give the guys enough money to do it, so, please, do it!
No Khan!
# 66 captain_neill
Someone (was it Nick Meyer? I don’t remember) said, a clever filmmaker doesn’t give the fans what they WANT, he gives them what they NEED.
Perhaps fans needed a total reboot, but the last thing they need now is a new Khan. So far, I agree.
No Khan please!! I wanna see something new
68
A reboot is one thing, to redo everything is another
Why’s everybody gotta be a hater??? :)
I’m with 46. Enough of the bad guy, time ticking to destruction same-old-same old. Let’s see “strange new worlds” and “boldly going”. Khan was great in ST II, let’s leave him there and do something original (that said this is Hollywood, so my expectations are low, low, low).
SERIOUSLY NO KHAN PLEASE. This is why most of the world is stuck in a time loop because all they want to see is the same old rehash of the same characters.
Have we all forgotten that there is a sense of freedom now that it is a different time line? There are a million stories to be discovered out there, why go back to one that has been told already. Besides the original was quite the banger. Why bother with it?
Kirk and Co Vs Kor and the Klingons. The whole Kilngon/cold war parallel is one of my favourite themes from TOS and they could pick that up nicely.
Yes, Khan could be badass but as the Vulcan council leader told Spock in `09 : “Logical but unnecessary.” Maybe Khan could be in the third JJ-Trek , if at all, but please, not the 2012 film. Do something original first. Don’t try to replicate the best Trek villain of them all.
@ 7 Ha ha! Hopefully in this alternate timeline, the Voyager probe crashed into an asteroid before becoming V’ger.
Oops! I just remembered that the Nero comics already confirmed V’ger’s existence in the timeline. Damn!
We already know JJ and crew are not interested in giving the geek brigade orgasm’s so Kahn will not be in the sequel. Thank goodness.
Kahn was a great character and TWOK was a terrific film but to have him in the new films would just be bad not bad ass.
@77 Madeline Kahn in Trek? Would that it could have been, dahlink…
SPOCK: “That’s my elbow.”
If you not Khan in Star Trek XII write This: “NOOOOO KHAAAAAAAANN!!!!!”
to John Cho: Yeah? Well what the Hell do you know?
Only One Khan.
Only One Khan Movie.
Noooooooooo Kahn!
Please let it be some original stuff, Orci and Kurtzman come up with!
NO KHAN DO!!!
New ideas and fresh stories please!
Roberto — we know you’re reading this.
Turn Space Seed on its head, and make Khan an ally in the end against a mutual foe or antagonist.
Amen number 46!!
I want to see an exploration story rather than another small story about the characters. Character development and interaction is an outgrowth of story and should not be entered into with the idea of “gee, how can we develop these characters today?”.
Just write a good compelling Star Trek story about discovery and let the characters evolve from that.
Here’s an idea — how about a Star Trek movie that is half horror movie? That hasn’t been done sine TNGs Conspiracy episode. Something like that would be cool.
“to seek out new life, new civilizations, to explore strange new worlds, to boldly go where no man has gone before”
anyone remember that?
I’m not at all interested in another Khan movie. Been there, seen that.
These guys needs to put their thinking caps on.
I don’t buy the “timeline is trying to correct itself” idea. While I buy into the idea that characters in the new timeline will tend to have very similar characteristics and make many of the same choices as characters in the “prime” timeline, I also see Nero and Spock Prime’s presence as having the impact of a stone being tossed into a pond.
Their impact on the timeline will act as ripples through time. The further in time we go away from their initial impact, the less similar the two timelines will be. Maybe I’m wrong. But that’s my take on it. That interpretation gives the writers the most latitude to borrow characters, ships, and locations, but to add their own creative energy and create original ideas and situations for these characters to explore.
No Khan. Been there, done that. do something new.
No Khan!
I would also like more Sulu, though! More bad ass Sulu! Also, keep in mind that Sulu eventually becomes captain of the Excelsior, so he would also have to be treated as such.
Well, I know where I’ll be June 29th, 2012. I want to see how well planted that flag is.
i agree with the vast majority: Khan’s been done (twice if you count the brilliant TOS episode) and has been put to rest.
instead of getting lazy and comfortable by reworking the past (i’m talking about story ideas, not the overall Star Trek theme for those getting technical), CREATE SOMETHING ORIGINAL. it would be like some hot shot new painter re-interpretting original D Vinci’s or Rembrandts. uncool.
my two cents about what a Star Trek sequal should include:
-a dynamic NEW problem/conflict for the characters
-adventure (strange new worlds, new life and civilizations anyone?)
-alegory about us as a society (but not too blatant like, oh say, Avatar)
and because i’m a fan at heart:
-include rebooted characters from the TOS show like Nurse Chapel, Yeoman Rand, Gary Mitchell, Willard Decker, and…Star Trek’s first lady Number One with an ACTUAL NAME.
but that’s just me.
i have faith in the creative process of the ST Think Tank Team, i trust they’ll do right by the characters, story, and franchise as a whole.
SYBOK!!
“Khan’s been done”?
So was the Joker and we had one of the best superhero movies and one of the best sequels ever.
Most people on this board didn’t want the changes in the ST ‘09 when they heard about it, so if the new TREK Supreme Court go with Khan I’m going to trust THEIR judgment. Not the fans here (no offense).
How about Khan’s little brother, Shan?
92 – what he said.
#38: “Khan, done well, WOULD break the Box Office, for sure.”
Exactly so.
#92 – “Khan’s been done? So was the Joker and we had one of the best superhero movies and one of the best sequels ever.”
Ditto.
If Khan makes the most sense commercially and dramatically they should go for that. Thirty years is more than long enough to leave a villain alone. ;-)
You want a new Star trek adventure yet you loved the new Trek picture with James T. Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Chekov and Uhura and with the USS Enterprise. So you really don’t want a new adventure do you? The original characters worked just fine for you didn’t they? So why not an original villain? I don’t see anything wrong with putting Khan in the next movie and put a new twist on him. I think it would be great. I think having the Klingons or the Gorn or the Talosians would be great too. Why not use the old villains/characters but in new ways? Isn’t that what Star Trek 09 was all about? Hmmmm?
Make Khan the Enterprise’s gay hairdresser.
I don’t want Khan either.
But Khan is coming.
Again.
It’s obvious.
The bottom line is JJ Abrams doesn’t care what the uber fans think.
I think he gets off on annoying the fans and proving them wrong.
He enjoys the challenge.
This little blurb from Cho is part of an acclimation program.
This is all so reminiscent of a few years ago.
The majority of fans were against recasting Kirk & Spock.
Now the same thing is happening all over again.
If they had the balls to recast Kirk, Khan will be a cake walk.
This is about mass appeal.
It’s easy and safe.
And JJ will continue laughing at those of us who resisted.
Khan is money in the bank and a big FU to those of us who said “No.”
I still don’t get it. Everyone is so anti-Khan in the next movie. I just don’t get it. The arguments against it are entirely based on what Trek09 is all about. Rehashing! You can take a character like Khan and give him a new direction.
The only thing original about this Eirection is if Abrahm’s chuckleheads made the villan MADELINE Kahn. It wouldn’t be any less humorous (or disappointing) than that last outing were were shipped out on. Oh, the pain… The PAIN!
“How about Khan’s little brother, Shan?”
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LOL
It would be interesting to see Spock Prime’s involvement if Khan is back. He is the only member of thew new timeline to know about this little demon floating around in space and I wonder how he would intervene? Again, many posts do not want Khan, but with Spock Prime involved, it could be very interesting.
I don’t blame them for wanting to do Khan. Khan is to Kirk what Lex Luther is Superman. If they do this they will make a ton of money because all the people who are objecting here will still see it and non Trek fans will be attracted because of all the hype! It’s a win/win scenario for them. If done right it will rock! Two successful movies in a row and then they can risk making a dud.
The Klingons exploiting the weakness of the Federation is an idea worth a shot. With Vulcan gone, a founding member of the Federation, the UFP isn’t nearly as strong. No Organians yet to step in and stop anything. The Klingons could test Earth in a similar manner that the Romulans did in “Balance of Terror”. After all the Klingon fleet got hammered by Nero and are probably wondering how one ship, the Enterprise, was able to handle what an entire fleet of theirs could not.
Remaking one of the greatest sci fi movies of all time?
This is the dumbest idea in trek history, followed by the second dumbest idea of creating a trek prequel.
“Cho said he he was glad the origin story side was out of the way so they can get into things.”
Typical gen-y nonsense. The origin story should have been told gradually over 3 movies. Instead, JJ crammed it all into one and it shows. The whole movie was rushed.
“I’d love to see Khan out there. That would be badass.”
Uhhh..no it wouldn’t. Why not remake Aliens, Terminator, Blade Runner and the original Star Wars while you’re at it? These movies will be much better without the original actors, a new story, and JJ at the helm with millions in CGI to keep the twenty year old cast and audience satisfied.
#95 “If Khan makes the most sense commercially and dramatically they should go for that. Thirty years is more than long enough to leave a villain alone. ;-)”
I never thought I’d ever see myself write this, but I agree with Dennis Bailey!!!
#105: “Remaking one of the greatest sci fi movies of all time?
This is the dumbest idea in trek history, followed by the second dumbest idea of creating a trek prequel.”
If *that’s* the case then the studio has every reason to be far more interested in “dumb ideas” than in your apparent definition of “clever.” They’d be fools to pass up an idea that might be as successful as their 2009 Trek prequel.
They’re not talking about remaking a low-budget Trek movie from 1982 anyway. Indications are simply that they’re considering reusing the character of Khan. :-)
NO.
KHAN.
How about Harry Mudd? Kor? Kang? Koloth (originally meant as a returning character)? GARY MITCHELL???
If you absolutely must remake something, than how about the Doomsday Device?
How about… brace yourselves…
NO VILLAIN WHATSOEVER??? How about a planetary story? we don’t HAVE to have a villain!
No doubt a movie with Khan would be interesting to see and I’m sure these guys would do it well, but one thing about the original which isn’t possible to recreate is the excitement garnered by putting the original actor who played Khan together once again with the actor who played Kirk.
Sure, you’d still have the fictional background, but you would lack the background in the real world of two actors revisiting their roles and chemistry they had 16 years prior. That angle would be non-existent in this case.
One of the interesting things about ST:WOK was that the two actors who played the roles would once again be involved in the drama. Many fans and non-fans turned out to see the movie simply because of this.
Of course, a new version wouldn’t necessarily need this, but all in all I’d rather see something else done with these characters in the new/original version universe.
No Khan please!!!! My youth group loved it and they don’t know any references. The writers are too good to rehash old stuff.
Oh nooooooooo!
We are enough with Khan and Shatner!
Do something very original and cool that will attract all Trekkers and non-Trekkers.
@102. So, yes, Spock Prime is a wealth of knowledge about Singh Noonien Khan floating around out there in the Botany Bay with a boatload of other Augments.
So, there’s only one way to neutralize his knowledge. Others have suggested this, but not for that reason:
Kor (Victor Garber) finds Khan. Some of what he got from mind-sifting Nero, and raiding the memory banks of the Narada all those years. Those scenes are already in the “kan”. All of us who’ve seen those Klingon outtakes from ST’09 all have liked them.
If Spock Prime knows Khan is out there, it doesn’t matter if the Klingon fleet is already penetrating the Ceti Alpha region looking for the Botany Bay, and find Khan first!
As I’ve said before, the Klingons will accept Khan: they share DNA, compliments of Star Trek: Enterprise’s fourth season. (And they share Admiral Archer’s DNA, which is an interesting turn! A great excuse to bring in John Billingsley portraying Dr. Phlox to advise Starfleet on what all that means.)
Khan leading the Klingon Empire, with Kor and Kang as his lackeys. (Why, if only Kodos could get in here somehow, we can have the *original* Kang and Kodos!)
It’s a strange, new world. There’s new life, and this is a new civilization. So K/O, get boldly going into that sequel! :)
they should have Kal Penn play Khan
I just hope that the flag hasn’t been planted so deep that the sequel doesn’t get the attention it deserves because of a deadline
Odds Out of Vegas For The Top Five Actors In Contention For The Role of Khan Noonien Singh in ST2:
6. Cheech Marin – 100:1
5. Erik Estrada – 50:1
4. Lorenzo Lamas – 30:1
3. Robert Davi – 12:1
2. Javier Bardem – 8:1
1. Antonio Banderas – 4:1
Khan. Love it.
Why WOULDNT they do Khan? The people that don’t want to see him are most likely the same ones who didn’t want to see the origin story we had in this last movie. (and they also probably wanted Shatner.) BUT the giant mass moviegoing public wants to see their heroes bs their arch villains.
Face it, Superman really only works with Luthor. Spidey with the Goblin. Batman with the Joker. TOS movies only work well with Khan. TNT movies with Borg. People WANT to see these classic conflicts!
Also, remember that we wouldn’t see “The Wrath of Khan” Here… It would be a high octane revamp of Space Seed. Did you see that episode??? There was SO much more they could have done with it! Don’t you want to see those augments in big-screen action?
Well, if it’s now an alternate timeline, why not a female Khan?
The title of the next movie?
The Wrath of Chaka Khan!
(runs and hides)
116
Kirks Arch Nemesis has always been the klingons.
And its a mistake not to begin to explore that in the next movie.
and from the way you talk about space seed you obviously missed the point of the story of that great episode
@116…
Spd,
I don’t want to see Khan redone and I definitely wanted to see this movie and I definitely didn’t (and still don’t) want Shatner. I would like to see a new villain like Nero was or a villain like Kor who was only dealt with in the series. Khan has had his movie, and yes I realize it would be “Space Seed” and not “Wrath” and the point still stands.
Khan is great, no question there; but he has had his moment in on the big screen. (And by the way, Batman works with other bad guys too.)
113 I acutally suggested Kal Penn as a possibilty after the first film was released, if they ultimately decided to do Kahn.
I also suggested Alexander Sidig (Sidig El Fadil)
but again i really hope we dont see kahn in the second star trek film
The Doomsday Machine would be badderass!
It’s not a villain and it can be made topical. We’ve seen too many villains and they all just end up being pale Khans.
@118
How’s about the best of both worlds – Kahn, having been discovered by the Klingons drifting in space becomes their secret weapon. A Super General leading a squadron of Klingon warships? Come on! You know you want it!
@102
What if Spock says EFF THE TIME CONTINUUM and goes on the hunt for Khan himself – seeking out the Botany Bay and trying to destroy it before Khan can wreak havoc on the Universe again. And then back to Khan teaming up with the Klingons.
#116
Face it, Superman really only works with Luthor. Spidey with the Goblin. Batman with the Joker.
I think that’s a fundamental mistake. It means every incarnation is just doing the same thing over and over again. I don’t see why movies have to be a “greatest hits” of the previous medium. I think part of the reason I found Dark Knight disappointing is that I just couldn’t care less about The Joker any more.
But to portray Khan as an arch-nemesis of Kirk, like Luthor or the Joker for their stories, is simply wrong. Khan only became Kirk’s arch-enemy for one movie, ONE movie, and purely because his wife had died and he blamed Kirk and had gone barmy. In Space Seed he’s just villain of the week. The new timeline hasn’t got that personal history between the two and thus no reason for “nemesis” status.
Space Seed itself is an okay episode with a good performance from Montalban and the woman who falls for him, but it’s really not made of awesome like City On The Edge Of Forever or The Doomsday Machine or Balance Of Terror. It’s a second rank episode. It gave Meyer and Bennet a hook to hang an action movie on, but that’s all. TWOK was just the right movie to make at the time, but is of its time and of itself. It is a desperate mistake to think that the Khan character is why it worked. In all honesty, Montalban chews the scenery so hard it’s a wonder he had any teeth left by the end of shooting.
Anyway, Khan just isn’t Kirk’s “Joker-style” nemesis. He’s a bad guy from one second-rank TV episode, and one movie, that’s all.
@123
Okay – Khan, Klingon Armada, kills the young lover of Kirk, Dr. Carol Marcus along with dozens if not hundreds of other federation personnel.
End Scene.
Unless it’s nothing like TWOK or Space Seed (and I mean NOTHING, aside from the character of Khan obviously) no Khan please.
But, in any case, it’s good to see that Cho is looking forward to more ‘Trek. :3
GORN!!
Oh yes, a story about first contact with the Gorn. That’d be cool…
Man, this is depressing…everybody wants to rehash stuff.
I prefer my idea of a science fiction horror story…it would involve “new life forms”…
I wouldn’t care if we see a race we know in it — say, the opening scene…but after that…PFFFT! Gone and on with something new!
#128 :: I agree! What I really, really want is an exotic-looking alien species (a hostile one, or something) involved.. somehow. With the crew of the Enterprise. Just let the scriptwriters work their magic. This is the 21st century, people; lets make it look like that. DS9 had a whole sleugh of awesome aliens, and that was the ’90’s on a TV show budget. Same for Enterprise (loved the Xindi-Acquatics and Insectoids). Imagine what they could do with a full budget!
Either that, or go into the Mirror Universe! Let’s face it, that place is awesome. There are ten million things you can do with that. Terran Empire… FTW.
@67
Learn what from AVATAR exactly? AVATAR was nothing more then spectacular eye candy covering one of the most rehashed stories in movie history. If they give an OSCAR for least original screenplay covered by SPFX then AVATAR aka Dances with Wolves alias Last Samurai sometimes known as Lawrence of Arabia pretending to be Man Called Horse should win hands down. This is just further proof that you can be a lazy writer and camouflage it in CGI goodness and be successful. Im not sure given Trek 09 and Transformers 1 and 2’s success they havent ALREADY learned from Avatar. Original well written stories are no longer necessary in Hollywood when movies like the above score box office gold. George Lucas made Star Wars on a budget but the more money uncle George made the more he relied on SPFX then on good stories as was painfully evident in the prequels and the trend continues encouraged by the movie going public’s $$$ and apathy toward good story telling versus shock and awe visuals.
#107:
Right, because Star Trek has always been about topping the box office and record profits in ticket sales. Who cares about acting and story.
The original Wrath of Khan story was a clever idea. Trying to reproduce the briliance of it is not and realistically is impossible. Without Shatner and Montalban, no Khan story could possibly be on par with the original. And you think that a remake is clever because it will draw more in the box office? wow you know nothing of star trek.
By the way, the most ’successful’ trek film ever was the Voyage Home, not trek XI. Ironically one of the least action packed trek films. Trek XI was made with a specific audience in mind: non-trek fans who don’t have a clue what good sci fi is, let alone good trek. You know, those people who have never even heard of the Wrath of Khan. Who’s William Shatner?
#128 – There’s a whole franchise of your idea:
It’s called “ALIEN”.
#132 — not every horror film is like Alien. Nor does it have to be.
It could be done in a way to not be like Alien…
Oh…and thanks, #129 :-)
We could write a good Trek story!
#133 :: Way ahead of ya, boy. I’ve already started a few… They just need to get finished, LOL. (Not that they’re any good.. Some of my ideas are so unorthodox and way-out-there that sometimes I can hear Gene Roddenberry spinning in his grave, waving a phaser in my face.)
#130 :: You keep saying it’s so profoundly unoriginal.. and maybe you’re right. But I still count it as, now, one of my favourite movies of the 21st century. It was an interesting take on a classic idea, in my opinion. I loved the whole connection with nature (which I actually thought was kind of unique) and stuff.
Then again, I’ve never seen “Dances With Wolves”, so I can’t make any comparisons.
This is begging to be reposted from the tail end of the “Democracy Fails” thread as it is relevant to this thread topic too. Ladies and gentlemen, my letter to Bob Orci.
“It’s clear what the sequel must be: Enterprise vs. Intergalactic vampires.” – Bob Orci in response to Twilight vs. Star Trek at the People’s Choice Awards.
Alright Orci, here’s the deal – if we’re looking to shut out the Twi-hards and clench People’s Choice 2012 we can’t stop at space vampires, we’ve gotta go all the way here man. That’s right, I’m talking about J.J.Trek II: Everybody’s Shirtless.
See, in the prologue there’s an outbreak of Talosian torso lice (or plot device of choice) on the Enterprise which requires everyone to be waxed, tanned, and yes – OIL DIPPED as its only treatment (the mission will naturally take place after a twelve week diplomacy mission to Bodybyjaketron XII).
Don’t even stop with the guys – oil everyone. EVERYONE. Guys, girls, Nimoy, Scotty’s little green friend, multi-tentacled aliens – NO DEMOGRAPHIC LEFT BEHIND man. We’ve gotta have them dripping with the stuff until whoever made the Christina Aguilera “Dirty” video looks like a choir boy by comparison, you feeling this?
http://vodpod.com/watch/177790-christina-aguilera-feat-redman-dirty
THAT’S when you launch into full on Space Vampire mode. Then throw a little Kirk\Spock\Uhura love triangle filled with angst, awkward dialogue, and Dakota Fanning for good measure – then BLIND THE WHOLE FREAKING THEATER when J.J bounces those lens flares off the whole oily cast like POW! I’m seeing serious dollar signs here man!
I know it’s genius – and it’s yours. Just give a shout out to me when you’re holding that People’s Choice Award over your head in 2012 and we”ll call it even. XD
- 24thCRS!
Doing Khan in the next movie does’nt mean it will be a remake. It will just be a new take on a classic character. Like the Joker was in “The Dark Knight”. Heath Ledger’s Joker was different from Jack Nicholson’s, which was different from Caesar Romero’s. I agree with Dennis Bailey in that the Supreme Court are at least considering involving Khan in the sequel. I suspect that if that is the case, then the Khan we will see won’t be like the one portrayed by Ricardo Montalban in “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan”, or even “Space Seed” for that matter. Sure, he’ll still have to be the main villian, but one with more facets and grey areas. Perhaps he’ll be an “ally” of the Enterprise crew during a portion of the movie. Khan helps Enterprise defeat the Klingons, then attempts to hijack the Enterprise to defeat the Federation, so he and his fellow “Augments” can rule the quadrant. During the movie, he can fall in love with MacGivers, and perhaps even befriend Kirk. His thirst for power and conquest comes from his background. Its in his nature. He doesn’t have to be cruel or malevolent to be a great villian again.
#136 :: If we’re talking Augments, does that mean we get Brent Spiner too? :D (I totally flipped during that run of Enterprise when they mentioned Khan. I squealed, jumped up, and yelled, “KHAAAAN” so loud my mom ran upstairs to see if everything was okay. xD)
41.) – Garth of Izar? Now that sounds interesting. But I wonder how to effectively tell a story featuring or around him in this new timeline, especially since he was such an important part of Starfleet history – his fall into madness certainly one of its greatest tragedies – but he was only featured in an episode, a novel (which I loved because of how it fleshed out his character and tied up loose ends), and some comics.
135.) – That’s one of the funniest comments I’ve seen on this site!
#137 Funny you should mention that. I’ve been watching the fourth season of “Enterprise” again. Although I think Arik Soong would be long gone by the time of the sequel to “Star Trek”. But the storyline of the Klingons and Augments as well as Khan would make a great sequel. With the changes in the timeline and the fact that the Klingons lost 47 ships to the Narada, the Klingons seek to retaliate against the Romulans as well as the Federation and stumble upon the Botany Bay.
@ #135 (24th Century Rock Star) – That was classic. I agree wholeheartedly. That must have been what “Bob & Alex’s Big Meeting” was about (Sounds like the title for another hit movie huh?) I can hear it now – CHA-CHING!
Seriously though … up until now, “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan” was THE movie that even people who actually have a hatred for Star Trek would have to begrudgingly admit was very, very enjoyable. Many still, and always will place it above Star Trek 2009 and consider it a classic. I have said in the past that I consider Star Trek II one of those “perfect moments in time”. It brings about something absolutely new – not a “reboot” or “retread” of which we are all so intimately familiar with since Hollywood lacks originality & authenticity these days – and yet, STII: TWOK still manages to have a very TOS feel about it.
Having said that someone above mentioned Heath Ledgers performance in “The Dark Knight” and I can’t help but contrast that with Jack Nicholson’s iconic portrayal of the Joker in the 1989 version of Batman. Everyone was skeptical of Heath Ledger prior to the movie, but was blown away afterwards.
The lesson to be applied to Star Trek in this context is this:
It’s OK to screw with “Sacred Cow’s” (under the following conditions) :
1) Don’t F–k it up!
2) Do something different.
3) Stay true to the character ( whatever that means – ie see #1 above. )
I stand by my original opinion.
1. The film doesn’t have to be about Khan. I’d be happy to see Klingons or some other TOS-era villain.
2. But the Botany Bay *is* out there (along with V’Ger, the whale probe, the ribbon, the Borg, and the Dominion among other things)
3. Doing Khan would probably mean something more similar to Space Seed than TWoK.
4. Khan could be done very, very well. Or very, very badly. But I’m not against the idea on principle.
As for IGN, I believe they’re referring less to Trek fans as to fans of the film. Support for Khan has been pretty large on their site forums, so I imagine they’re using that as a reference pool.
Also, they themselves like the idea (even going to the trouble of writing a plot outline).
NO KHAN!!
@96: and yet there’s nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. yes, the Joker worked. BUT Nolan wanted to use villains that hadn’t been done before, that’s why Batman Begins worked so well. it was new. it was fresh. IT WAS SOMETHING PEOPLE HADN’T SEEN BEFORE.
by using Khan, what the Supreme Court and Paramount are saying is ‘Ok. We give up. We’ll cave to the demographics and fan demands. Never mind we’re creative thinkers that can present something new for our heroes.’
from what other posters had said that i whole-heartedly agree with, by bringing in Khan they’d have to have the Space Seed elements. the ONLY way they could make Khan the diabolical villain is if he kills Kirk’s mom. but we’ve seen our heroes’ parents getting axed before.
in my mind, there’s no way to do Khan without it feeling forced and having a sense of deja vu. let them give our heroes the adventures that they deserved in the sixties.
somebody said it. Khan…as a character was a clever. Space Seed and TWOK as presented…was clever.
So bottom line. These writers need to come up with their own “clever.”
Why does everything in Hollywood these days have to be something else redone!
It would nice, for just once, for it to a new idea!
I mean we already have a reboot. Nero already WAS somewhat of a rebooted Khan screaming SPOOOOOCK!!!
Let’s see some bold space exploring with a brand new alien race and how about some fallout from what happened in the reboot with Romulans, Vulcans, and Klingons.
146
Money and laziness
if they redo Khan I willl be a really pissed Star Trek fan
@ 147.
They’ve re-hashed the joker a lot in the Batman universe too.
The only thing that matters is if the story is worth telling. If bob and Alex come up with a good khan story…. then why not introduce the greatest trek villain to a new generation of trek fans ? Why not explore it ? Why are the ”hardcore” trek fans soo scared ? Same fear when JJ rebooted the trek franchise ?
If i remember correctly…. the reboot turned out pretty well…. We should not let our fears take us over.
#148 Amen, bro! Amen!
148. jas_montreal – January 14, 2010
They’ve re-hashed the joker a lot in the Batman universe too. The only thing that matters is if the story is worth telling.
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I agree and disagree. Unfortunately, “Star Trek’s” issues come from rehashing old stories, characters, species, and many-many other elements. Most of the people who I talk to think the repetition and lack of a hiatus caused “Star Trek” to become stale. “Star Trek” has become overexposed to such an extent that the stories hinder meaning.
Instead of the writers taking a hiatus for a few years in between “DS9″, “Voyager”, and “Enterprise”, they push forward until the franchise exhausted itself.
“Star Trek” was never broken. All it needed was a period between series, so that the writers can recharge their batteries. We most likely would not have gotten “Enterprise”, but we would have gotten a ‘third generation’ series.
“Star Trek” didn’t need a reboot. It needed a good five to ten year hiatus, so the writers can overcome their writer’s block.
#150 Paramount got new writers for “Star Trek” 09, and judging by the end result, I say the “writer’s block” has been vanquished.
And yes, we all understand that you don’t like the new movie. But instead of simply moving on and enjoying what has come before, you keep bitching about how the new crew changed a few things.Judging by the success of this new flick, Star Trek doesn’t or didn’t need a 10 year hiatus. Just a new “adminstration” and approach. If anything, Star Trek could use a “ten year” hiatus from you and your fellow “Talifans”.
@ 151. ryanhuyton – January 14, 2010
What they did was find a solution around the writer’s block, which is a appropriate step into the right direction. Unfortunately, the end result was another feedback loop, which presented to the audience a recycled set of criteria.
What new species did you learn about?
What new culture did you learn about?
What was the moral lesson learned?
Did they take you on a new journey, or did they rehash an older one?
How many episodes and movies were based upon Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, etc…?
What were those stories about?
Did the movie expend on the current knowledge, or did they reboot because they were out of ideas?
If you think about those questions above, you will notice that J. J.’s “Star Trek” is a rehashed and rebranded feedback loop. According to the rumors about the next sequel, Khan maybe the main villain of the story.
Why recycle an old character? What type of story can they give us, which does not mimic or mirror older story lines?
Until the “Star Trek” franchise does take some time off, Paramount may never learn from their past mistakes.
Well Since the 1st New star trek is set before the coming adventure of kirk it wont happen as in the other movie it was the return of khan.
Pls Pls NO KHAN!!!
You guys did great with this Star trek carry on with second WITHOUT KHAN!!!
DO NOT COPY ANY OTHER STAR TREK YOU DONT NEED TO.
thx
No KAHN….. please?!??!
So when is Harold and Kumar visit the apple store going to come out?
Kahn? Why not? “Star Trek: Demon Seed”. Sounds good, but show (bits and pieces of) the Eugenics War. Or a Trek titled movie, “Eugenics”, then “Demon Seed”. Done separately, totally different crew(s), but the latter released about 3 mouths after the former.
Just my two cents.
“Star Trek: Return of the Xindi”.
Another two cents.