Shatner on Stern: Agrees To ‘Takei Summit’ – Still Planning To See 2009 Star Trek Movie January 12, 2010
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity, Shatner, Star Trek (2009 film), TOS , trackback
William Shatner was a guest on the Howard Stern Radio Show this morning. Bill was there to promote his talk show Shatner’s Raw Nerve, but Howard wanted to talk about George Takei and JJ Abrams. Much to Shatner’s chagrin, Stern got Takei on the phone to hammer out a future summit meeting where they can finally hash out their differences. Later Shatner talked about the new Star Trek movie (and the next one). Details below.
Shatner talks JJ Abrams and the new Star Trek Movie(s)
Here is the exchange between Shatner, Howard and his co-host Robin Quivers on the new Star Trek movie (and the next one). Here is part of the exchange.
Quivers: Are you lobbying to be in the next [Star Trek]?
Shatner: I wouldn’t mind [laughs]
Stern: But you would have preferred to have been in this first one
Shatner: Of course I would have loved to have been part of this historic event. But how do you bring back to life this dead…I died my character died.
Stern: He did a great job with it. And the kid who played you was fabulous. And I can’t believe that you are not going to see this kid who played you.
Shatner: All right. So JJ said to me, he would have a screening at Paramount. I thought "wow what a glamorous thing." He’ll rent the theater, it seats two or three hundred people, I’ll invite my family and friends and we’ll have it catered and we’ll all watch. So I haven’t done that yet, but I am about to. In fact, if JJ is listening, and I think he does, JJ get ready, I am going to take you up on your offer.
Stern: The plot of the movie does leave it open that you could appear, there are ways for you to be in this.
Shatner: Well I hope they desperately search them out. But I am very expensive.
Shatner, George and Howard hammer out a deal
Earlier in the show Howard got Shatner to talk on the phone with George Takei to help resolve their feud. They discussed if George would appear on Shatner’s Bio show Raw Nerve, but George would only agree if Howard were there to moderate. Howard would only agree if Shatner would take the whole thing seriously, here is part of the exchange:
Stern: Do you really want to understand, why most of your Star Trek cast mates didn’t get along with you?
Shatner: No that is not so.
Stern: George, Is it true?
Takei: All of my colleagues, some of them publically, some of them privately, expressed disappointment with your behavior on set and off.
Shatner: Forty years ago! …. For the last many years, George has expressed dissatisfaction with me, many many years. In a dignified fashion, I have been silent…but we are of a certain age, George and I, where the time we have left to ameliorate.
After that they agreed to do it, but Bill would have to talk to the Bio channel.
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Shatner will probably price himself out of consideration!
So much for being The Negotiator!
Others do, but I really don’t care if Takei and Shatner get along.
I read the write-in for Shatner on trek2009 several months ago (here) and really liked that. Too bad it couldn’t happen.
What a shame they can’t bury the hatchet.
One does have to question why all this old dirty laundry has to be aired out so publicly. Neither of these guys ever has to cross paths again. But I guess it’s show biz to the end! Maybe Mr. Shatner was an insensitive ass 40 years ago. Perhaps he’s no longer one now. Mr. Takei, I loved you as Sulu, but you have to just let this go.
With the new timeline, an older Kirk is a definite option. If they write Shatner in, all I ask is that they don’t draw attention to their different eye colors!
i just wish if JJ and Bill and George can join in one huge hug !
QUIVERS, NOT GIVENS.
Givens is Mike Tyson’s ex-wife and was on ‘Head of the Class.’
William Shatner and George Takei have to resolve their conflict. I like them both, but this ongoing and longtime feud smacks of immaturity. Doesn’t matter who started what, time to bury the hatchet, before one has to bury the other. And they should see the new movie together.
My cynical side doesn’t think Takei wants to resolve this–the feud is good for headlines.
My warm cuddle-muffin side would love to see the two make up and become friends.
Face in palm…
First of all, Robin’s last name is QUIVERS not GIVENS. And if anyone can get to the bottom of this feud between Shatner and Takei, it’s Howard Stern. He’s the best interviewer in the business and will cut right to the heart of the matter.
I heard Shatner on Howard Stern this morning, and throughout the interview he was rude, dismissive, sarcastic, and ridiculing of George. He came off as a homophobic ass who couldn’t care less about his former co-star. George has become a beloved member of the Howard Stern Show cast, and I can’t wait for Howard to mediate between them on Shatner’s Raw Deal.
Baba-Booey!
I thought Shatner had already seen the 2009 Star Trek movie
This is Takei’s only way to stay in the scant headlines he occasionally occupies with this drivel.
He is resigned to the mediocrity of being an occasional announcer on Sterns show while The Shat still lives a productive and lucrative life and career at almost 80!
Bill, keep doing what you’re doing and don’t worry about the pettiness of a second tier cast member.
The chances of J.J. giving you and Leonard one last sail into the sunset in ST 12/12 are very good.
Not so much for Mr. Takei.
Don’t waste your time with this petty jeolousy Bill.
Keep up your amazing life pace that inspires us all and we’ll see you in ST 2012.
Not sure if it’s an urban legend, but I always heard the reason the cast of TOS didn’t like Shatner is because each week, when a fresh script was released, the Shat would go to TPTB and demand that any important dialogue that was written for Scotty, Sulu, etc. be given to his character instead. Apparently he thought of Star Trek as the type of mythology where everything is centred around the “HERO” and that, logically, he should get as much of the attention as possible.
Hmmmmm, when asked about appearing in Trek09 he DID say he doesn’t do cameos. Does anyone else see a pattern here?
Gawd, if he demands a major role in the next film, that would certainly kill the relaunched franchise! Nah, JJ would never be stupid enough to go along with that, would he?
George Takei is always talking about how Bill Shatner didn’t come to the ceremony where he got his ’star’ on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Well, Bill was the first person from Star Trek to get a ’star’ back in 1983 and the only other Star Trek people who were there were Leonard Nimoy and Nick Meyer. Where was George? I think it is just sour grapes. I really like George but he needs to get a life and let this go.
In the series Kirk was the hero. Roddenberry made that clear.
I recently asked fans who saw the new movie multiple times in the theater what they liked about it. Most said it was because of the feeling they got seeing Leonard Nimoy as Spock once again. Most added that they would see the next one multiple times if Shatner and Nimoy were both in it..
#14 “I really like George but he needs to get a life and let this go.”
What I’ve got from the quite public exchange of this very private problem is that Takei wants to let it go, but that is very hard if Shatner (and may I add sites like this) keep bringing it up in a very public fashion.
Shatner has said in the past he was only playing games with JJ when he quite publicly acted like he was upset that he wasn’t in the movie. JJ though thought he was being serious.
Seems to me that Shatner really likes behaving like a dick because he thinks it’s funny and no big deal. Others take it serious though and are upset. I can’t say I blame him.
In the late 90s Shatner was at FedCon here in Germany. A guy walked up to the microphone, stood in line for almost an hour to talk to him. When it was finally time to ask his hero a question he was so nervous he was shaking. He introduced himself in a very bad German accent with a very German sounding name (Hubert? Can’t really remember) “Hi, my name is Hubert…” Shatner interrupted him and said, “Oh, I am sorry to hear that.” The crowd laughed and the guy was so flustered he almost didn”t get the question out. Is that a way to treat someone who clearly adores you?
Back then I thought “Geesh, what a dick move.” Later, when Shatner started his self-ironic schtik, (Priceline, etc) I thought he had changed, but now I am not so shure anymore.
Oh Bill. Don’t get sucked into this b****it with Takei. His resentment of your stardom is all he has left. Take that away and he’s finished. He will cease to have purpose and will shrivel and die, like last years hanging-basket.
Hmmm on second thoughts, go for it Shatner!
Not to name call, and for what it’s worth, over the years I’ve talked to different actors and production people in Toronto who have worked with Shatner on various projects and, without exception, they all say “he’s a real dick” to work with……I mean, c’mon, they can’t ALL be wrong!
Howard Stern, William Shatner and George Takei…This is going to be priceless.
I’m sure Shatner could be a pain in the ass back in the day, but Takei has to let it go at this point.
My impression of the situation is that Takei felt Shatner was taking lines/fame away from him… What Takei doesn’t understand is that Shatner was the star of the program while Takei was a supporting player.
Takei comes off a) petty b) Like he is just looking for media attention. That said I can’t wait to see these two nearly 80 year old children battle it out with Stern acting as a mediator… This could be better than any ST episode of the last 40 years.
I’m happy to see that Shatner has already started his campaign to be in the sequel. At this point I think it is likely that Abrams and Co will put him in the next movie just so he will leave them alone.
I’m totally on Shatner’s side with this. Takei is simply using the “feud” to drum up publicity. The fact of the matter is that Shatner was the star of the show and movies. And he went on to many other successful TV shows and movies outside of Trek. Takei did practically nothing.
Yes, but the distinction is that when TOS was being filmed and each actor on the bridge had dialogue to move the story forward, Shatner would lobby to have those few lines taken from a fellow actor and given to him.
That means the other cast members aren’t jealous of Shatner’s success, but that he stabbed them in the back for the sake of his own self-aggrandizement! If true, Shatner’s behaviour was selfish, small-minded and petty!
Aw, look, the emperor has no clothes!
Honestly, I don’t see shatner in any star trek movies in the future. He already has an enormous price tag, He says he is almost ready to see star trek ‘09.
I wish mr. shatner would just explain himself, to express his true feelings, About paramount, About seeing himself on screen, and maybe why he has this stuck up attitude. I loved mr. shatners work as captain kirk, but I’m at a loss as to why he has to be so difficult.
#15
-…Hi, my name is Hubert…” Shatner interrupted him and said, “Oh, I am sorry to hear that.” The crowd laughed and the guy was so flustered he almost didn”t get the question out. Is that a way to treat someone who clearly adores you? -
Shatner surely can be a dick, but let’s face it – it’s part of his one-of-a-kind charm ;), and – as a matter of fact – it is funny. If you like Shatner, you don’t do it in spite of his peculiarity, but because of it. You don’t just face his being a dick, you even count on it. :)
He still hasn’t seen the movie. Yet he wants to be in the next one. Too much petty jealousy for me. Skip it. The next film definitely doesn’t need him, and it’ll just be a sad distraction. Nimoy handed it off with much grace. No need for Bill. Besides, he’s expensive.
Here’s my opinion: George should have taken Nichelle’s approach and simply told Bill personally how slighted he felt rather than airing his gripes in a public forum. Having said that, Bill is the one who keeps telling the story of interviewing Nichelle for his Star Trek Memories book, shutting off his tape recorder, and hearing her say “Now do you want to know why we all hate you?” He should have kept that conversation to himself, too.
It’s odd how all of them managed to keep all their gripes quiet when they were getting regular Desilu/Paramount checks working together in the original series and the films. All this dirty laundry came out late in the day to stir up interest in their autobiographies and personal appearances.
I admire Leonard very much for keeping his opinions private. The man is a class act all the way around.
Have we forgotten that Scotty Uruha & Chekov had the same feelings about the Shat …. Heck Scotty hated Bill…The Shat must have been a real dick to piss everyone off LOL what a space Dick
Interesting as it sounds pretty evenly divided on whose side fans are on between the shat and the sulu–Myself–i think shatner probably was/is a big ecoed star-part of what made kirk realistic as a leader of men and a leading man–Shatner probably did act like an ass-i would like them both to work it out for us fans–George is easily one of the most accessible, friendly n caring trek star at the conventions-at one in vegas,the only one weve been to in 2006,he let us take a pix with him at a creation con bfast in vegas when creation told the stars not to cuz they wanted fans to pay for the pix-grace lee whitney refused us but george said sure-later during the paid pix george remembered us from breakfast and said hello again to us and made our day-he is very funny n intelligent and magnaminous to us fans–and george will be on heroes again next week based on the previews–i luv the shat also-but i am on georges side for this one-i hope stern can help them get past it-
#22
That was kind of my point wasn’t it? The man is being a dick, but when people call him on it he get’s all “why are you upset with me?”
Once more we had an example of gradeschool behavior. I don’t know which is worse: the idiotic feud or Pascale’s ”journalism” (a total misuse of the word). I was happy for once not to have to be the one to catch the Givens/Quivers thing. Notice how fast he fixed it.
Pascale, in the old days it was common for journalists to check their facts and proofread their work in order to catch things like that. It’s so much easier now with instant access to the Internet–and yet still this sort of thing happens with you. It ain’t that hard. Really.
Maybe you should take a journalism class at the local community college?
If Shatner is so expensive then roll his fee into something else – anything else – production design, locations… I loved TOS, I grew up with Kirk – he was the man… but I don’t want to see him in any new Star Trek movies…. after Crystal Skull I don’t want any more of my childhood heros hobbling across the screen.
“Pascale, in the old days it was common for journalists to check their facts and proofread their work in order to catch things like that. It’s so much easier now with instant access to the Internet–and yet still this sort of thing happens with you. It ain’t that hard. Really.”
The use of the word “aint” isn’t acceptable journalism either.
“Maybe you should take a journalism class at the local community college?”
Why should he? He corrected it. However, what he reported isn’t a “lie” or any sort of misinformation. How often has Anthony reported something factual that was wrong (and his fault) on this site? You’ll be waiting a while before you find anything. He cites sources, provides links, doesn’t run with rumor and report it as fact (and will call out other publications when they do) etc. But he should go to journalism school because of a simple slip of a last name? A bit overboard to suggest such a ridiculous thing.
#28 – Also, I’m sure anyone site owner will oblige your suggestion as soon as you foot the costs of the bandwidth for the site that YOU visit for free as well as foot the bill for the costs of classes that suggest those owners take.
Oh my, this is just embarrassing.
It’s schtick, and it’s long since worn thin.
Amerliorate already! Jeez.
And Bill… JUST WATCH THE FRAKKIN’ MOVIE! GET A LIFE!
@Devon,
The use of “ain’t” depends on the style guide of the publication which is influenced by its target region. I don’t believe you can claim it as universally unacceptable. Besides, dinging what amounts to the grammar in a letter to the editor is definitely unprofessional journalism. Most publications would fix it quietly and try not to draw too much attention to their reader’s lack of command of the English language by noting the fix as “Due to the limitations of space and in the interest of brevity and clarity this letter has been edited.”
However, I think his point has been superseded by the fact that most professional newspapers have cut their staff back to the point where my Pulitzer Prize winning local regularly matches Mr. Pascale mistake for mistake. Where they differ, is what they do when such as that cited occurs. At those times, my newspaper simply acknowledges their fallibility and notes they made an error in a notice of correction and apology. In the case of a misattribution involving celebrities such as this they often include a free plug for whatever projects the two have on their slates.
Also, while fixing a mistake and simply behaving as if it never happened is common in the blogosphere, it does carry with it a certain aire (sic) that my departed earthy father would often cite as “acting as if your farts don’t stink.” Now I don’t know whether that passes (pun intended) for professional blogging or not, but I suspect it risks having second tier readers make comparisons.
If William Shatner had made a career as a comedian, most of the things he says would go over with lots of laughter. But because he’s an actor he isn’t supposed to have a wit, or a sense of humor, or say anything comedic… at least this is how it seems to me. People pick on him as if he is blatantly serious all the time, and I don’t see that at all. He’s a “tongue-in-cheek” guy, with an edgy sense of humor, playing to an audience where some people don’t get him. The problem is not William Shatner…
As for George Takei, if he really does still hold a grudge after 40 years, I think he’s suffering from victim mentality, blaming Shatner for his problem. I’m sure Mr. Takei is a fine person, but dropping his anger toward Shatner would do him a world of good.
Meanwhile:
Like most people who frequent this site, I happen to think it’s a great place to hang out and spend time with other Trekkies. I find it annoying when some people have to toss out their criticism of it, just to play a game of “gotcha.” This is what so-called journalism has become, where everything is seen as an opportunity to bag someone, a shallow attempt to get the upper hand. I think most of us are quite happy with this site the way it is, and we don’t sit around counting typos, or whatever. I say: if ya don’t like it here, don’t let the door hit yer ass on the way out…
How funny that over the years of being put on pedastals by fans and featured prominently in novels and fanzines, that the actor’s themselves somehow believe they were a large presence on the original show. Takei, Koenig and Nichols were all bit players. They were lucky if they were featured in an episode at all, and, aside from Checkov, most times their dialog was interchangable with any other extra that happened to be sitting and pretending to push buttons.
It’s akin to the actor who played Hop-sing, on Bonanza, getting pissed because Lorne Green got all the lines!
Takei’s name was in the END credits of the episode for a reason (if it was there at all) , just as Shatner’s was at the beginning. George’s rants really are ridiculous and petty.
Please NO Shatner in the next movie. He doesn’t deserve it.
I don’t understant why Shatner can’t just order the DVD from Amazon or something and watch it at home. The man is such a whiny baby. I am really losing respect for him. Dang.
I remember when DS9 first premeired in 1993 and TV Guide interviewed most of the original cast about it. Shatner was the only one who didn’t watch it.
@28
GET A LIFE!
It’s a frakkin’ website for Star Trek fandom, news and entertainment. Go proofread the Wall Street Journal or something.
Love the site Anthony! I used to browse a lot of other Trek-related sites…but it’s not necessary anymore. THIS IS THE PLACE FOR THE MOST CURRENT TREK NEWS AND GENERAL ENTERTAINMENT I’VE SEEN.
“THE SHAT” is so predictable. It always comes down to money and ego.
It’s not legend that he was disliked by his castmates on Star Trek. It’s well documented. The fact that his poor treatment of them took place 40 years ago doesn’t make it any more forgiveable. Just reach out and apologize. It’s not that hard.
#28: Somebody’s disgruntled maybe. But you do bring up a point, albeit a little harshly methinks.
However, for comparison, sometime last year some news service broke a story on actress Jessica Biel and her “father” that you really have to read to believe. It was picked up by IMDb and long story short, the original writer attributed a quote to Biel’s “father”, but in a hilarious bit of “dumb-ness” mistook her TV father on Seventh Heaven as her real father. Anyway, you can copy the following link to see the article as I saved it for a hoot (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3545/3447546178_b8855310ec_o.jpg). Of course IMDb quickly dropped the article and the original site quickly fixed the rather dumb error–but I’m sure that writer got teased to no end.
It is true that traditional journalism is evolving, but into just what we will probably not really know for years I think. I do, however, agree in principle with one thing, the Internet does indeed make it very easy to research and cross-check things to avoid stupid mistakes like this. Like #28 said, “it ‘ain’t’ that hard.”
I watched 2 episodes of Raw Nerve last night. All I kept thinking is that, while the guests are not always that great, Shatner is very passionate about his job as interviewer and really gets them to open up. Nearly 80, and the man is still digging into life with such gusto! Truly, a model for how we should all approach growing old.
I hope the JJ/Shatner screening of the movie happens, and I hope Bill has some role in XII!
#40
- “THE SHAT” is so predictable. It always comes down to money and ego. -
Yeah, unlike the rest of the showbiz world where it always comes down to humility, modesty, grace of charity, altruism, and honorary work. :))
@36… yes, they were interchangeable.
Takei was busy filming “The Green Berets” during production of “The Trouble with Tribbles” and suddenly Chekov became the one interested in botany. This is documented in David Gerrold’s book about the episode.
44. Jorg
Takei’s part wasn’t so big in that movie, either. I wonder if he’s angry at John Wayne for getting all the good lines…….
I think this only serves George really. It was 40 years ago…..ok 20-30 if you include the films. I’m sure shatner deep down resents being pressured into this and this might just be the end of the Shat-Stern friendship
I really wish that they would do a whole series of Raw Nerve with the remaining Star Trek cast. Given the selection of guests, I can’t believe that Nichelle and Walter wouldn’t be a bigger draw. This season is better, with Winkler and Weird Al it was really good. I am guessing JJ will be a guest at some point.
Who gives a sweet f*** whether Shatner is in the new movie or not, whether he has seen Star Trek or not…??? I certainly don´t. His time is over, his arrogance is annoying, he pisses me off.
Star Trek don´t needs William Shatner
I think it’s really, really, really sad. I was never a huge fan of Shatner’s. Didn’t ever find him attractive, which I guess is why I came to Star Trek late in life. Chris Pine is so much more sexy to me, I can’t even imagining being forced to accept that Shatner is what this Kirk becomes if he’s in the next film. In that sense, I am a huge fan of this rebooted Star Trek and was part of Abrams’ targeted audience.
But I guess what really puts me off Shatner is that he’s evolved into other things that he’s really good at. I was a fan of his on Boston Legal. But unlike Cary Grant or Sean Conery, or even the late great Paul Newman, he keeps trying to relive his youth and play the virile sex symbol he once was (to some). There comes a point when an actor must accept the parts they can play well, and that includes supporting roles. I simply cannot imagine the benefit of subjecting to direct comparison Pine and Shatner in the same movie. It would serve no purpose other than to elicit girlish squeals of delight from the hard core fans and put a distressing face on the young swashbuckling Pine for the rest of us.
@ 43…Touche!
Somebody should mail Shatner a DVD of the 2009 “Trek” flick right away. For crying out loud, does he need a special screening at Paramount? He can buy a copy in almost any store, or rent or download it from Netflix; it’s been available since 11/17/09.
As for The Shat acting like a dick, I got his autograph on a copy of his book “Up Til Now” in May of 2008. The Shat didn’t even eyeball me when I spoke to him. I was disappointed, but I chalked it up to the stress of a man in his mid seventies keeping up a schedule that would wear down someone half his age.
Watch the blooper reels from the filming of the series; it looks like the crew of the Enterprise was having the time of their lives filming the show. I don’t understand all the pettiness now. Life is two short, and two of their castmates have passed on. Patch up your differences already!
#48 “Who gives a sweet f*** whether Shatner is in the new movie or not..”
Plenty…and the fact that the Shat bashers, such as yourself, will have to endure the speculation for another 3 years thrills me to no end. The icing on the cake would be if he actually were put in the film. The resulting amount of conniption fits amongst the haters would be a great source of amusement indeed!
Frankly, I think BOTH of them need to let this go – it’s just stupid. They don’t like each other – FINE!!! Move on – far more important things on this world going on isnt there?
It just smacks of cheap media titilation – anything to get more publicity frm either side. Frankly both men should know better, and at least keep their petty bickering away from the media.
You would never see this sort of behavoir from Nimoy or the late DeForest Kelly.
Let it GOOOOO – rise above it! Media tw*ts like Howard Stern don’t help either – they’re just there to PROMOTE this kind of trash and to stir the pot, whilst they run their hands with glee as the rating soar from saddos who like to listen to this kind of ‘entertainment’!
Doesn’t anyone find this whole thing has gotten beyond a joke now? I’m sick to death reading about it. They should give ‘em both a pair of boxing gloves and just let them get it out of their systems ;)
Grrrrrrrr!!!!!!
…. and relaaaxxxxxx. ;p
#53 “They should give ‘em both a pair of boxing gloves and just let them get it out of their systems ;) ”
The problem with that is, it was never in Shatner’s system to begin with! He doesn’t care. It’s all for George’s and Stern’s benefit. I doubt the Shatman has ever lost one wink of sleep wondering whether or not the co-stars of 40 years ago “like” him.
But you’re right, it’s an easy write up in the press, so I can see why so many like to push that button. But Shatner isn’t one of them. He only gets involved when someone pulls him in.
No Shatner in the new movies thanks. Move on.
Takei is truly pathetic. He’s a bitter old man with a borderline psychotic obsession with the lead actor of a TV show he appeared in for three seasons in the 1960s. Why doesn’t he just shut the f*ck up?
Shatner shouldn’t dignify him with an audience and Stern shouldn’t provide Takei with a platform to vomit his bile over the airwaves.
Sad!
Takei’s probably secretly in love with the Shat and thus can’t let it go.
Scorned love and all…
P Technobabble,
While I share your annoyance at nyah nyah games, in this particular case this was not some typo. This was a major factual error. Reporting one as being responsible for something when in fact it was another is bad enough, but these two women are celebrities who have chosen to make a living in the public arena. This site prides itself on getting mentioned in major news articles. If such errors get picked up and widely disseminated it can have unpredictable and often disastrous effects on their carefully orchestrated publicity, a vital component of their careers. Besides, not only is it an insult to these two women to treat them as if they are merely interchangeable and one needn’t bother apologizing – it is simply wrong not to do so.
With great power comes great responsibility.
William Shatner is nothing but a insensitive bully. I’m totally on George’s (and the rest) side.
George is a good and kind man with lots of talent. I wish he could be in the next Star Trek movie.
Shatner should beat the snot out of Takei. If it wasn’t for Shatner’s larger than life ego, “Star Trek: TOS” would have been a space opera bore. Takei should be kissing the man’s feet. Don’t get me wrong. Sulu was a great character and Takei did a great job; however, it was Shatner’s ability to sell himself and the franchise that got them all famous. I think Takei advertised his alternative life style, so he can reboot his own acting career. Shatner had nothing to do with how everyone else’s careers bottomed out.
Don’t get me started on Lenard Nimoy. Its not Shatner’s fault the man became a drunk.
Shatner was on Opie and Anthony on XM/Sirius yesterday morning as well. It was very entertaining. Unlike Howard, they goof with Shatner but they’re not needling him about stupid things like George Takei.
MacTrek, why don’t you take all that anger you have at the world and instead use the energy to try and better yourself as a human being?
#63. Harry Ballz – January 13, 2010
Anger? Who is angry?
You don’t think your last paragraph regarding Leonard Nimoy isn’t mean-spirited and venom-filled?
Nope. I’m just calling it how I see it. Nothing more.
Who knows if this feud is real or not, it is between the two of them if this is real. I admire and respect both actors for what they have done in the world (universe?) of Star Trek. While Shatner is barely able to speak to people because his handlers tell you not to touch or speak to him during the photo ops. I can understand that if there is a line of 500 people as I saw at the 2009 Vegas ST CON. He has a higher level of celeb status I guess.
George is very open and grateful to and for his fans. He does take the time to speak to all fans in line for his autograph and he always has kind words to say. I got the biggest thrill at the 2009 CON after he signed a photo, when I shook his hand and said “Warp Speed, Mr Sulu!” He looked at me and said “Aye, aye captain.” So 40+ plus years of waiting came true as I always wanted to be the one to say that line to him.
Both are OK in my book and what ever is or is not going on in their lives outside of Star Trek does not bother me or concerm me.
Think I was kidding?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1630463.stm
67–here’s the thing–yes, I believe you when you say good things about Takei’s relationship with the fans. In fact, as big of a Shatner fan as I am, if there was a contest between the two in how they treat the fans, Takei wins hands down.
While my database is certainly small, I have never heard any fan speak any horror story about Takei, and of course, there are fans who say bad things about Shatner.
But that doesn’t change that when it comes to SHATNER, Takei really comes off horribly, and who can really blame Shatner for not being warm and fuzzy when talking about Takei.
Howard Stern is a shockjock show, so naturally, there will be comments made that push the line.
I do feel that at least publicly, Shatner has come off in this feud as the better man. Hell, even in the Shatner roast, Takei took more heat than Shatner.
But ultimately, it does seem like Shatner is the one reaching out to try to deal with the stupidity behind this feud (real or not). I actually feel that if they truly want to settle (and I don’t think Takei does), then it should be done in private, with no cameras.
Of course, that’s not the Hollywood way to do it I guess.
#69. Mitch – January 13, 2010
“But ultimately, it does seem like Shatner is the one reaching out to try to deal with the stupidity behind this feud (real or not). I actually feel that if they truly want to settle (and I don’t think Takei does), then it should be done in private, with no cameras.”
I completely agree with you on that statement. Once an actor (or group of actors) get political and public about their issues, I suddenly have a bad taste in my mouth. I can never see them the same way again. As a member of the audience, I personally believe we deserve better from all actors. All this back and forth junk between Shatner and Takei should have stayed behind the scenes.
I think their issues have become our issues, and it has lead to a back and forth tug-a-war between fans. Its sad.
Didnt read all the posts. Apologies if this was mentioned before.
In the Abramsverse how do we know that the mission aboard Enterprise-B will take place in the same way? The Kirk of this new reality may not die in the future with Picard. That Kirk could be played by Shatner. Not saying it’s a good idea because I’d like some original stories for a change but having Shatner in this context would work.
68
Yes, of course, we all know that Nimoy has admitted to having his troubles with alcohol. I’m simply saying that calling the man “a drunk” is both impolite and uncalled for…especially when Nimoy had nothing to do with the original topic.
Star Trek 2012 with Shatner?
If he’s alive by then the only performance he will be able to deliver would be ala Captain Pike in “The Menagerie”
wheelchair bound and “meeb” “meeb” noises.
61 –
Your phrasing of “became a drunk” fails to take into account Nimoy’s personal strength in confronting one of the most isolating of problems imagineable: addiction. Anyone who can take on that demon and get the help he needs deserves respect. Nimoy’s accomplishments since the bottle probably outweigh most of the lifetime feats in this chat combined. It would take Mr. Spock to compute the odds of confronting personal addictions and successfully getting help. Suffice it to say, the odds are against the addict. Indeed, I respect Mr. Nimoy all the more for his ongoing recovery.
p.s. – IDIC.
p.p.s.- In two weeks, you can kiss my bright, shiney 8-year chip.
I really wish these guys would just move on.
I’m not on either side. I love both Takei and Shatner, in a way. They both have a lot of faults, but they’ve had their moment to shine.
I wish they could be more like Nimoy. He’s great friends with Shatner and the rest of the cast, and he’s put whatever difficulties he’s had with Shatner behind long ago. This whole thing is stupid, and they’re acting like children. Shatner is being the drama queen he is, and Takei just wants press coverage.
I wouldn’t mind having Shatner in the next movie, if only for old time’s sake. I really liked the write-in they would have had in 09 best though. The longer they wait, the harder it’s going to be to write him in.
It wouldn’t really matter to me if he wasn’t in it, though. I think the new cast has a great future ahead of them.
Yeah, calling Nimoy a drunk was over the top. He has taken steps to turn things round, and that should be admired. I apologize.
Shatner should see Trek ‘09 with Chris Pine not Abrams. Shatner needs to bond with Pine like the way Nimoy / Quinto did for the torch to truly be passed.
#74: ” It would take Mr. Spock to compute the odds of confronting personal addictions and successfully getting help. ”
Actually, no – it’s about 20 to 1 against.
Congratulations on eight years, BTW.
77
Thank you for that.
28. Well, I’m a “real” journalist (a dozen years print and online). Mistakes happen everywhere — and they get caught and corrected. That’s what editors and proofreaders are for. Generally, I’m pretty impressed by the quality on this site.
As for Shatner seeing or not seeing a movie? Yawn.
Dennis, not to keep bugging you, but I respect your opinion…did you ever get around to seeing The Illusionist?
I thought it was good.
#28 Anyone who criticizes Anthony over a small error should just go somewhere else. He and his staff work hard to bring us “news” everyday.
He and his staff do an excellent job. There are many sites that make many times more mistakes than this site does. And some of those don’t even do their homework before reporting on something. And I don’t think Anthony appreciates anyone, let alone you, telling him how to do his job.
So much of this comes down to:
- Shatner has to do X
- Takei has to do Y
When, in fact, they don’t have to do anything.
It always annoys me when the public behaves as if they owned the actors. Stardom isn’t some twisted form of slavery where you are only allowed to express opinions or conduct yourself in a manner that pleases the fans. Nobody has the right to censor either Shatner or Takei for “damaging the franchise.” That’s a problem for Paramount executives. It is not a problem for the committee of professional meddlers at Star Trek conventions who mete out unsolicited advice to celebrities about their personal lives.
Ah, we may not own them, but we are allowed to criticize them for any behaviour we don’t like. It’s called having an opinion. Whether anyone listens is a whole other matter! :>)
Thank you, MacTrek.
As for ‘20 to 1,’ I hope you’re right. I’d always heard it was about 1 in 10 who even tried… and a whole lot more who never got that far.
71–yes, that’s possible. In fact, the mission on the E-B PROBABLY doesn’t happen. Too much changes.
Ultimately, writing Shatner into the movie depends on only one thing–Abrams’ desire to do it. If Abrams wants Shatner in the movie, they can do anything from Shatner playing future Pine to being Kirk Prime. Generations is not an issue–it’s only what Abrams wants.
As for Shatner/Takei, what I find amazing is that Takei’s attitude has been so bad that what started off as Takei being the one with the sympathy, has turned completely around to the point where Shatner comes off as the good guy.
It’s amazing how perceptions can change when you don’t let something go.
74 – Amen.
I agree 87.
Now that they aren’t hampered by original canon anymore they should go all out and leave Shatner out of it. I also don’t wanna see Enterprise refitted. I’d like to see it blown up (don’t get upset I like the new Enterprise) in a major war/battle/encounter in the third or fourth installment (if they make it that far). Then Kirk, because of his valor or something at the time of it’s destruction, is awarded command of the “new” Excelsior” class starship, Enterprise-B. I really wanna see an Abramsverse version of Excelsior.
89 – I’d bet serious quatloos that the ST09 E is not going to last long.
a) It’s fugly.
b) This is Hollywood we’re talking about. To paraphrase Bones: “You know Hollywood directors… they love to change things.”
c) I think JJ has an itch to take our comfort levels poke ‘em.
#88. Brett Campbell – January 14, 2010
“74 – Amen.”
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Hmmm… Since your comment occurred after I apologized (thus not letting the conversation move onward), maybe I should take a firm stand on my original statement. Something to think about.
91
Again with the arrogance/anger. Please stop lashing out at people.
And I would love to see that ship blown up and replaced with the TV style Enterprise, which was much cooler looking. Change for the sake of change is not right, neither is change that makes things worse.
@92. Harry Ballz – January 14, 2010
Calling me arrogant and angry without an intellectual approach shows weakness.
@93. Mitch – January 14, 2010
Don’t forget to blow up that engineering section. Woof.
94
Your own words clearly demonstrate “anger” issues….tell me, are you, or any of your family, in the military?
#95. Harry Ballz – January 14, 2010
So, you are resorting to personal attacks rather than intellectual conversation. ‘Your anger’ with my approach is evident from how you respond to my opinion.
If I had to make an observation, I would say that ‘you are the one with anger’ issues. As a result of not being able to form a convincing argument, you attack people on a personal level to discredit them.
Congrats to you.
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96
I don’t nibble at troll bait like yours……NEXT!
This is turning from a thread to a dingle-berry.
Sheesh.
Mac Trek
OK, you said something stupid and then apologized. You were doing great at that point. But you are coming off like you are spoiling for a fight. Your first remark could be taken as somewhat inflamatory, to say the least. To do that in a Trek forum is begging for a response or rebuke. you got people’s radar up. It’s the kind of thing that is just going to piss people off.
Far be it from me to tell someone what they should do but if I may suggest that you just let this episode rest and we all can move on. As you have said, the conversation is not moving onward.
everyone take chill pills
MacTrek you are on thin ice
Your brand of inflammatory dialog does not fit well with this site. TrekMovie is not a place where you win points for coming up with creative insults. Perhaps you will find another site more suited to your tastes, or you can tone it down. The choice is yours.
comments on policy to
http://trekmovie.com/about/feedback
now everyone back to talking Trek maybe?
Thanks, Anthony!
Pills taken. I was having fun reading most of it.
I don’t think Deforest and Leonard felt the same as George,Nichele,James and Walter.
If the “Shat” really wants in on the next Trek then he should stop being so pompous , loose at least 50 pounds and stop being so greedy . If he is able to be written into the next movie that alone should be enough for him to commit. Sorry Bill but finish your contribution to Star Trek with style and dignity…………..you have lots of money………….don’t let that be the reason to ruin this.
Why is it some idiot has to bring up William Shatner’s weight? Quite frankly he looks great at his age (or any age, for that matter). It gets really tiresome when someone calls Shatner “fat” or Zoe Saldana “too skinny”.
A lot of fans seem to miss one of the ideals of Star Trek which is to look beyond physical appearance and realize true beauty is from within.
I think anyone would be quite fortuneate to have the energy level of Shatner’s at his age, let alone doing an interview show, Priceline ads, and being Captain Kirk. Sure, I think he needs to bury the hatchet with George, but I’m not going to result to petty remarks about a “living legend”.
104. Chuck Watters
Nichelle Nichols and William Shatner have long since patched things up and apparently Shatner also patched things up with James Doohan before he died.
George Takei alone has made a second career for himself as a professional Shatner-basher. I’m sure Takei is engaging with the fans. He appears desperate for a fanbase of his own, after years of failed attempts at getting a Sulu show off the ground. One has to wonder if Takei is somehow blaming Shatner for all his problems in life!
Shatner is a shameless, publicly self-deprecating attention-seeker and clearly has a great time. I hope I can be as active at nearly 80! Shatner’s known worldwide as himself, Kirk and Hooker. To the general public, Takei has little on his resume beyond Sulu and playing Hiro’s dad in Heroes, which regularly mentions . . . Sulu.
Takei can clearly be an engaging man. But his trading off having problems with Shatner in the 1960s, his desperation to one-up Shatner at every turn, such as at an award ceremony a couple of years ago, make him look like a bitter, desperate type of attention seeker who lacks any kind of class.
It’s time Takei moved on with his life and shut up about Shatner. Seriously George, we’re aware of your feelings about Shatner. Everyone in the world must be by now. So please, pretty please, never mention him again in any way shape or form. Sidestep questions about him, avoid attending functions he appears at or turning up on TV shows with him. Just demonstrate your genuine charm by being yourself.
And if we think in terms of likely legacies, Shatner’s will be as a flamboyant, if occasionally somewhat egotistical TV and film actor, the original James T Kirk, TJ Hooker and a witty celebrity people loved to see on TV and the big screen.
Right now, George Takei’s is looking likely to be that of a guy who played Sulu, then spent the rest of his years doing the circuit preaching hatred against a former colleague. What a way to end up: going from being one of the most recognised Asian actors in the world in the 1960s and beyond to being an old man so full of loathing that he seems to have nothing else to offer than attacks on someone he hasn’t worked with in nearly 20 years and before then only sporadically after the 1960s.
Call it a day George. Move on, because everyone else did decades ago!
@106. Dom – January 14, 2010
Everything you said is dead on accurate. I could not agree with you more. It is as though Takei is blaming Shatner for his own failures, and he is now making a career out of bashing the man.
Takei needs to move on.
#106 and #107 How do you know George Takei is solely responsible for this? And I’ll ask this of the Shatner bashers: How do you know that Bill started all this? The point being is while there seems to be alot of innuendo written by various cast members and reported by the press, none of us knows for sure what went on between these two that resulted in this “feud” since we weren’t there to witness the “sparks” that started it all. No matter what we may think of these guys, slamming one while praising the other is a demonstration of ignorance. Know the facts before jumping to conclusions. From what I have heard, both these guys are classy gentlemen. But they both have fairly large egos. Which makes this feud a “my dick is bigger than your dick” contest. It is absolutely ridiculous and I hope they can resolve this with J.J Abrams as moderator and negotiator. Then they can watch the film together. After that they can then call a press conference and announce the signing of a “peace treaty”.
Then all will be settled.
105. ryanhuyton Wouldn’t you think if Shatner lost 50 pounds he would look great in the next Trek ? Do you think he would have been given the Kirk role in 1966 if he was as portly as he is now . Wise up to the meaning of the statement ………. It was about him being his best in the next Trek.
Why does he have to lose weight? I personally don’t think he is fat at all. And even if he was, so what? How did you come to setting the bar as to what “being his best” should be? While I agree that whoever plays Kirk in his prime should be in top condition, that is based more on the fact that a young Captain KIrk would be naturally “fit” from working out in gyms and eating well. As well as the fact that to be captain, one has to be in good shape to be able to fight enemies or walk difficult terrrain. Since William Shatner is 80, he wouldn’t be playing Kirk the same way he used to. People don’t stay the same forever. That includes their weight. And if you are going to judge others on their weight, then you need to hold yourself up to your own “ideals”. Those who point out others’ weight issues often have the same issues themselves. Not saying that you do, I’m just saying you wouldn’t like it if someone made comments about your appearance.
I know I wouldn’t.
@108. ryanhuyton – January 14, 2010
“#106 and #107 How do you know George Takei is solely responsible for this?”
During a fairly recent event to roast Shatner, Takei took the opportunity to express his anger with him. He reopened old scars, which should have healed over the last 40 years. After Takei had joined the Howard Stern Show (and came out on the show), he declared that he was getting married. Since Takei invited everyone else from the “Star Trek” series, Shatner took it as if the man was still carrying a grudge. After Takie returned from his honeymoon, he addressed the issue on the Howard Stern Show. Takei admitted he was still carrying the grudge, and then proceeded to blamed Shatner for his own failure.
Come to think about it – If what some of you are saying is true, this whole thing could be a stint to keep them both in the spotlight.
I don’t think anyone could actually tell you what is real and not real. Its a nice little mess they got into, and the other cast members have expressed their disappointment in both of them.
Maybe the cast members are right.
#28
REALLY?
Two words: Petty, Insecure.
Look into it.
Anthony, the site contiues to be a kick for me…..thanks.
#106
Well said.
#110 ryanhuyton – So what if he’s going to be 80 in two years . The Shat looks great and even better with the ” DO ” he has had over the past few years . Seems like your taking this way too personal . All was suggested for him to be in the next TREK was to drop at least 50 , don’t be so pompous and don’t only think of money . He dropped the weight for a little movie once before called STTMP ……remember ? You’re suggesting becausing he’s almost 80 it shouldn’t matter …………. that’s all the reason it should.
I think shatner has already seen the movie…he is just playing us all. If he has not seen the movie….I dont want to say anything because it would not be nice.
#114 You obviously didn’t read or understand what I wrote. I said that the Kirk he would be playing in the next movie if he is included would not be the same Kirk we saw during the Original Series and movies.He would be most likely playing a retired captain. Yes, he may have dropped weight for TMP, but he was playing the captain of the Enterprise. Kirk was in his prime. It stands to reason then that William Shatner would be in the best shape possible. As for only thinking of money, I never mentioned money, and about being pompous, all I can say is when you point a finger, there’s three more pointing back at you.
You made his weight an issue, not me.
And oh yeah, I wonder if you happened to run into William Shatner that you would tell him to “drop fifty”. Probably not, because he would kick your ass even at age 80.
Now drop and give me fifty!
From what I gather Mr. Shatner was a talented actor in TOS who got on just about everyone’s nerves by the way he asserted himself. His co-stars’ complaints were more relevant back then, but letting them go now must be difficult because it would seem like condoning Shatner’s behavior as something for which no apology is in order anymore. Maybe Mr. Takei didn’t intend to invite Shatner to his wedding, but later on realized that such an invitation had gotten sent somehow. My sympathies are biased towards Mr. Takei’s apparent point of view. When I first saw some short clips of Takei speaking on the subject, he didn’t come off sounding that conciliatory, but maybe he wants Shatner to be held to account.
I have this scene in my mind for some times. When George finally showed up at Bill’s Bio show, …
Takei: So, what is it?
Shatner: Easy, you will know soon. (Shatner drawed out a phase-like object and pointed it at Takei)
Takei: I should have known. (Being nervous)
Shatner: Too late, George. (Two security men came out from the curtain behind, and guarded Takei at each side of him) You will have a lot time to grunt your dissatisfaction of me behind bars. Take him to the brig.
Takei: ah … (About to struggle, but the two security men moved towards Shatner).
Shatner: Not me! I mean take George to the brig. (Bewildered)
The two security men then almost lifted George away by each of his arms. And the show of that night ended with a cap by Bill, saying “That is the end of our feud. And that will be all for the show of tonight. Thanks for watching”.
KC
Hong Kong
Seriously, my view on the feud is similar to that of Tony.
Bill has said in his Web Site forum that some TOS cast actors had one line in a whole episode, and he had four pages. So they thought he stole the spot light. Well, I doubt that was the cause of resentment towards Bill. Rather IMHO, the reason behind the opinion is that Bill stepped out of his area at the time, being a bit aloof sometimes, and being fuzz on profession rank. And he did not aware of such behaviour. If my speculation is true, one cannot help wonder how come such opinion is still in effect after decades. Perhaps, it is so strong that there are people who cannot get over it.
Up till now, I am still a fan of Bill. That has not changed a bit.
KC
Hong Kong