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Transcript of Impromptu Roberto Orci Q&A With Fans At TrekMovie January 18, 2010

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As he does every once in a while, over the weekend Star Trek co-writer Roberto Orci jumped into a talkback comments thread here at TrekMovie and did some impromptu fan Q&A. Orci talked time travel, cameos, nitpicks, the sequel, Keenser and more. See below for an easy to read transcript in Q&A format, to see what he had to say.

 

Bob talks to the fans
If he wasn’t writing for Star Trek, Roberto Orci would probably still be online, debating and discussing Star Trek with his fellow Trekkies. But he is part of current the ‘Supreme Court’, representing the ‘Trekkie wing’ and so when he drops by here, he sometimes does some questions and answers with fans, which he did in the talkback for the article posted last night about JJ Abrams comments on cameos and time travel.

Transcript of questions answered by Bob Orci(note as this is based on talkback there are bound to be grammar and spelling mistakes)

Aussie Adam: I’ve often thought that hidden cameos would be cool, i.e. cameos from familar trek or other faces disguised as alien characters to the point that they are unrecogniseable but not so much that “fans” know that they’re there. What do you think Bob?

BobOrci: Why not? If they’re wiling to sit for hours in makeup

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William J. Bordeleau: To the Writers, and Producers of STAR TREK ‘09:

Warm praise for your hard work, and dedication to the greatest sci-fi franchise on the planet. Your generous (yet cautious) treatment of STAR TREK in general has been very honorable. You’ve succeeded in breathing new strength into what many had believed was a show crippled with fatigue.
STAR TREK will live forever- but now you have the privelage on deciding HOW.
It is my opinion that the ‘origin arc’ should continue it’s focus on a character of GREAT importance.
The Enterprise
She was awesome to me as a child. I was consistantly amazed how she performed beyond her specifications. To me, she was- at times- the star of the show. She was blessed with the spirit of humanity- nearly sentiant on occasion.
The Enterprise’s powerful aura made the characters seem all that more interesting.
Who else, but the Federations elite, may serve aboard her?
It is clear to me that the main characters are joined to the enterprise through some “greater intervention”. This could not be more clear to me when Kirk found Spock prime in the cave (STAR TREK ‘09).
It would be awesome to see how- or why the Enterprise is special.
You see, I love the old girl, and I’ve waited too long to be reaquainted with her.
Star Trek: Enterprise failed to rekindle this tradition.
Please, let the Enterprise get top billing. Her greatness alone can define what star Trek is all about.

Thank you for your consideration

because only humanities elite have the skills to serve aboard her.

Bob Orci: Noted

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Lando: “Orci: In our Universe, as long as I am here, you can’t just slingshot around the sun”.  The next guy will be like “In our universe, as long as I am here, they won’t be able to beam or fly faster than light.”

BobOrci: well, warp is going faster than light, but I dont think their will be any transwarp beaming in the next One.

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What is it with you?: It stands to reason that Kirk and Spock still have some growing to do in their relationship. The scene you originally wrote for Shatner was/is prefect. As much as I loved the new movie, it is less for having this scene omitted (tell JJ. and others I told you so!).

If there is a way you could work that scene in…perhaps this time as a means to convince the new Kirk that he needs Spock… please consider it.

That scene was the greatest piece of star trek writing since TWOK – it’s a shame we didn’t see it realized on film.

BobOrci: Appreciate that. Tough decision we had.

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Yeti: Hey maybe a film about Keenser then? Could be a TV movie like the Star Wars Christmas special. We meet Mama Keenser and kiddy Keenser’s. The Enterprise has dropped him home to celebrate a Keenser family BDAY!

BobOrci: So good.

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Yeti: While you’re around, there’s a lot of speculation as to the next film obviously but keeping to the Prime world what has been you’re favourite Star Trek movie and do you find yourself drawn to certain aspects of your favourite elements?
Must be hard to suddenly get a “Would like to have” moment when writing and be subjective as a writer rather than what you as a fan would like to see.

BobOrci: I actually love the Trek234 trilogy. Almost everything you need to know about Trek is somehow represented, and certainly those 3 served as big inspirations (and case law) in our attempt.

But there is so much to love all over the trek spectrum, no?

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Harry Ballz: you don’t have to tell us what JJ had as an opinion for feedback, but can you at least tell us if he was made aware of the fact that a number of us here weren’t happy with the exterior shots of the Enterprise in the movie. Somehow it never looked quite as real as it could have…..thanks!

BobOrci: I’m sure he checks on these threads to make sure I don’t say something too monumentally stupid.

BobOrci: [clarifying] I am sure JJ is aware of the wide spectrum of opinions, is my point.

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ThatOneGuy: Did you guys ever consider using physical models for the ships? Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love the new E, but there’s just something more about a model.

BobOrci: We did consider models for the ships.

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jas_montreal: Bob, can you officially say that NERO is dead at the end of Trek 09 ?

Because i’ve gotten into this debate with my fellow trek friends. I just don’t accept that Nero is dead at the end of Trek 09. Just as I don’t think Ra’s Al Ghul is dead at the end of Batman Begins.

Please help me on this one !!!!!!!!!!! lol

BobOrci: I think it would be very difficult for Nero to survive falling into a black hole without the full protection of his ship. But since we can never observe the interior of a black hole, who know?

This answer doesn’t help, does it?

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somethoughts: A ship going through a black hole is traumatic enough, now imagine a ship that is fired upon with all the weapons of the USS Enterprise with failing shields and a black hole vortex inside the ship. Then again this is sci fi, if Nero was a hit of a villain and the public wanted to see him again, he will be back. Right Bob?

BobOrci: Yup

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Bucky: While I understand from a story-perspective that sling-shotting around the sun is too easy for time-travel, I’m just wondering from an in-universe setting why Spock wouldn’t do it. Did he just forget? (Let’s assume that Spock never tells anyone in the JJ-verse how to slingshot around the sun to go back in time, considering how messed up the timeline got). Also, I would assume that Spock can’t slingshot back to the moment the Narada arrives because he’d just have one ship and no red matter and no real way to stop them. So I can buy him not fixing it.

But, ah-hah, what about Gary Seven or Braxton and the Relativity or Daniels? Wouldn’t they just be like “Good gravy! What happened to the timeline?!” Maybe it’s too much of a mess to clean up, or they just filed away the JJ-verse as “Tangent Universe #456″ and left it on their merry way and continued to try to keep the Prime timeline from having too many holes in it.

BobOrci: May I refer you to the fan Q&A linked above, to quote myself!:

“…our story is not based on the linear timeline of Einstein’s General Theory of relativity upon which most movies about time travel are based (like say, BACK TO THE FUTURE, or TERMINATOR, both of which I LOVE). The idea of a fixable timeline has been a wonderful staple of sci-fi since the 50’s, but in reading about the most current thinking in theoretical physics regarding time travel (Quantum Mechanics), we learned about the speculative theories that suggest that if time travel is possible, then the act of time travel itself creates a new universe that exists in PARALLEL to the one left by the time traveler. This is the preferred theory these days because it resolves the GRANDFATHER PARADOX, which wonders how a time traveler who kills his own younger grandfather would logically then cease to exist, but then he’d never be around to time travel and kill his grandfather in the first place. Quantum Mechanically based theories resolve this paradox by arguing that the time
traveler, in killing his grandfather, would merely split a previously identical universe into a new one in which a man who is his grandfather in another universe is killed in the new one. The time traveler does not cease to exist, although he is no longer in his own original universe (where he is now missing)…”

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ryanhuyton: J.J Abrams, Bob and co. did a great job on this movie. But I have a few suggestions. 1. A new engineering. I’m concerned about the fact that Scotty is a drinker and he happens to work in a brewery.:-)”…

BobOrci: HA! Well played, sir. You may have won this time, but we’ll be back!

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dalek: When Kirk steals the corvette and drives past the kid what does he shout? Some people have said it’s “Hey Jonny!” But I thought it sounded like “Hey Georgie!” inferring it’s his brother George Samuel Kirk.

BobOrci: The ambiguity you point out is surely the result of our indecision on the matter. Originally, we had intended, and wrote, a scene in Kirk’s house with his brother and stepfather/uncle/GregGrunbergburg/insertbetter.

George Kirk left the house first, and then Jim stole the car. But JJ and the amazing editors had time and editing and pace considerations which lead us to what you saw. I loved when I saw it cut together.

So as it stands, canon is ambiguous on the matter. Only what’s on screen counts.

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colonyearth: Anthony! Sometimes I think you and Bob and the rest of the Supreme Court are in collusion. You post some “talk” and a new “tidbit” which really doesn’t say anything new (JJ said nothing new here than he’s said anywhere else) and Bob gets to read the responses in order to gauge reaction to ideas. It’s a smart little system you devils. Of course, you always have to wade through the…well…them um…you know? Right? I mean you get…what I’m saying there, right?

BTW, hey Bob! Always good when you drop in!

BobOrci: Ha! We’re not in covert collusion but Anthony he sure has a way of framing a debate in his articles! Who can resist?

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Desstruxion: I wanna see the Excelsior, Abramsverse style. Any chance of that? Didn’t take two hours to promote Kirk. You could move Sulu right along.

BobOrci: Interesting.

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Orci updates on the Star Trek sequel story process
Bob was also lurking around on Thursday in the article about an Abrams sequel update, and had this exchange about the script

Bucky: Heya Bob, has their been a sentence written in what you would call a “script” for Star Trek yet?

BobOrci: A sentence for script? No. A sentence for story, yeah.

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That’s it for now. You never know when Bob will show up again.

TrekMovie.com wants to thank Bob Orci for participating in another fan interaction here, and to thank the TrekMovie.com talkback comments community for maintaining civil and engaging conversations here at TM.

Comments

1. Tony Whitehead - January 18, 2010

Thanks for posting that recap. Sometimes it’s tough to have time to wade through the comments. Any update on TrekHQ dot com?

2. BadBunnyMike - January 18, 2010

Niiice….I would love to see the Excelsior too, she has always been my favorite ship.

I totally didn’t know that The guys read these threads, I might have to post more then =)

3. Xeos - January 18, 2010

The slingshot theory still works, the problem is, in Star Trek 4, all that is changed is that the audience is now following the new time line where earth is not destroyed and two new whales are introduced into the population on earth.

It is no different that Star Trek 11. We are following the NEW reality, instead of the old one where earth is destroyed by the probe.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7176/slingshotc.jpg

4. Xeos - January 18, 2010

To clarify, if Spock slingshots around the sun to live in a fixed new universe where Romulus is saved, he continues living in that universe where we are still out on the branch where he never did that.

5. Bucky - January 18, 2010

There needs to be serious development of the Keenser Holiday Special. How about just an IDW comic? After the movie adaptation is finished.

6. Michael Hall - January 18, 2010

Even though I can’t honestly say I’m a fan of his work (I’ll hopefully add a ‘so far’), Orci seems like a class act, and his willingness to occasionally spend some of his valuable time here is certainly appreciated both by those who loved the Abrams film as well as those who found it wanting. Kudos especially for his good humor, which never seems to flag no matter how hot and heavy the criticism.

With regards to the sequel, as someone here recently said, we challenge you to do better. Best of luck in that, and in your other endeavors.

7. Edgar Governo - January 18, 2010

Having Bob Orci here to comment has been one of the best parts of this whole process in watching the movie unfold. :)

8. Alastair Cooper - January 18, 2010

The idea that the Enterprise occupies some kind of significance beyond the ordinary could be something that could be interesting to draw on.

The use of Q’s judgement on humanity as a meta-arc for The Next Generation could perhaps be an inspiration for a premise that an omnipotent species such as the Q is in some way responsible for bringing together the characters as they nurture humanity in its journey to the stars. I don’t think bringing back the Q character from previous versions of Trek would work, but the idea of a species like the Q might, to provide an underlying story.

9. I AM KEEEROCK!!! - January 18, 2010

These guys (writers and producers) are class acts. I think some fans can be so rude and ridiculous in their reactions when they get a version of Star Trek that doesn’t conform to exactly what THEY would have done.

I’m thankful we have real writers and producers working on Star Trek, and not some Hollywood suits or (the other end of the spectrum) lame fanbois.

Keep up the good work, gents…!

10. Sean - January 18, 2010

I second that idea of having the Excelsior in the next movie. One of the best space battles in Trek history is in Star Trek VI: TUC, where the Excelsior helps out the Enterprise. The Enterprise is iconic, but it’s nice to see that even the best need help from time to time.

11. Yammer - January 18, 2010

Just brainstorming here, in case BobO is reading this… I think that as WoK had aging as its character theme, the next adventure should be about youthfulness. Perhaps Kirk and Co. really are too young and brash, or at least appear to be; perhaps they do succumb to rashness and impulsivity and imperil themselves and others.

12. James Tyler - January 18, 2010

I’m suddenly curious to see a JJverse Excelsior.

…and I liked the answers on time travel. I tend to avoid such arguments, but it answers the question in a almost roundabout way.2

13. mikeypikey - January 18, 2010

Hmm more people feel disapointed by the exterior shots of the enterprise? i wasn’t dissapointed, but perhaps there a few shots of the E, in particular near the end scene where it looked very CG, but earlier it looked amazing, and huge and real during it’s “take off” from the spacestation, i wonder why there is this inconsistency. The opening shot of the super super close view of the Kelvin’s hull is one of my all time time favourite special effects shots, more like this for the enterprise next time please :)

14. UAB Blazer - January 18, 2010

Bob (& anyone else from the Supreme Court browsing), thanks for coming by time to time and being excellent in responding to the fans. That’s very, very classy and I greatly appreciate reading any tidbits we can pick up from your posts.

Anthony- Thanks for posting this together into one read and thanks for all the free work you do to keep us informed.

15. Desstruxion - January 18, 2010

Oh well…I only got an “interesting” out of my Excelsior question. Not sure what to make of that. I hope it’s a sign that it’s being thought of as a possibility.

16. Scooter - January 18, 2010

I still say make the next movie totally original with no Shatner or old Spock and NO TIME TRAVEL. Don’t depend on what’s been done before. Canon doesn’t matter since this is a new reality. Time to start a different 5 year mission and let’s see some strange new worlds.

17. Will_H - January 18, 2010

I may not agree with everything they did in the new movie, or all of Bob’s answers, but to me its awesome that Bob and Co. spend as much time on Trekmovie as they do. I really appreciate how much they at least listen to us Trekkies. To me that shows that they realize what a gift they’ve been handed and are treating it with respect.

18. JJR34 - January 18, 2010

Wow…what a bunch of stupid questions and ass kissing.

Why not push him into saying how “Spock can watch Vulcan be destroyed and say “oh well”…..Not very Spock like.

19. jas_montreal - January 18, 2010

thanks trekmovie.com for this opportunity to share ideas of Trek and to explore the unknowns. I’m really happy that there is huge fan involvement in the Trek Sequels development. I doubt many other franchises can do that….. great job Anthony and Bob, etc….

20. Daoud - January 18, 2010

@18 Spock just arrived into the past, was immediately pounced upon by Nero. He’s got a bad case of black hole superluminal jet lag. ;)

Plus, he knows that because of the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, “his” Vulcan is unscathed?

Or, he remembers that “Nothing unreal exists.”

Sometimes a T’Kiss is but a T’Kiss.

21. P Technobabble - January 18, 2010

Bob Orci has got to be the coolest Trek “insider” ever to hang with us fans, taking time to participate in the debates, have a few laughs, answer serious questions with serious answers, and, yes, put up with some of the riff-raff (although, happily, that seems to have died down quite a bit!).

Thank you Bob O for being so thoughtful, and just being one of us! Continued success in the future!

22. I'm Dead Jim - January 18, 2010

I love having Bob Orci here also, although, he usually doesn’t say much. Guess he can’t with JJ lurking about. ;-)

Seriously though, Bob, it’s great having you as one of us on the supreme court!

23. Weerd1 - January 18, 2010

18- Well, the younger less disciplined Spock tries to beat a crewmember to death. The older Spock, even through his 150 or so years of Vulcan control gives Kirk a blast of emotional grief so strong it leaves him reeling (and some would argue gives him the empathy he was missing allowing him to become the hero Prime Kirk was). Not sure what else you are looking for.

Mr. Orci, thanks for stopping by. I can certainly say as a fan that this creative team seems to make a lot more effort for fans than a couple of guys with the initial ‘B’ in their names who thought ST:ENT’s “These Are the Voyages” would be good for us!

Now, if we could just get Paramount to market the franchise! Lousy toys, canceled books; how’s a Trekkie supposed to blow his money?

24. James Heaney - January 18, 2010

Bob rules.

25. RetroWarbird - January 18, 2010

Damn, I’m bummed to have missed this. I’d have had one thing, and one thing alone to say:

New Vulcan Colony = MARS.

Just think about it! Humans sharing Sector 0 with Vulcans. The true “heart of the Federation” is in one system. The fact that Vulcan and Mars (Gods) are brothers in Roman Mythology. The fact that Vulcan and Mars (Planets) are both Red Planets.

26. RetroWarbird - January 18, 2010

Oh wait – two things. I’d also have said “Andorians, Andorians, Andorians, Andorians, Andorians, Andorians, Andorians.”

27. Mateo - January 18, 2010

Orci didn’t even say anything…he had one or two-word answers. Waste of time. But thanks!

28. RetroWarbird - January 18, 2010

Wait, also … Caitians/Kzinti, please.

29. Drew - January 18, 2010

RetroWarbird…that’s very, very interesting to me.

30. ensign joe - January 18, 2010

I too wanted more Enterprise shots.. That’s the ship not the show :)

31. Drew - January 18, 2010

Regarding the Mars/Vulcan bit that is.

32. Drew - January 18, 2010

Got to do something with Shatner after the well-written scene was released and teased us all…

With everything in bob, alex, and damon’s writing hands, I think it will be great. Maybe damon will give us a LOST nod, the anticipated elease date being a proper homage period, after all :)

I do like some ideas tossed around here. Humans closely (proximity) supporting Vulcan re-establishment…issues could arise.

33. Desstruxion - January 18, 2010

Poor number 18.

34. mikeypikey - January 18, 2010

oh forgot to say, please no shatner in XII, he’s yet to even watch XI, let’s just focus on the newbies.

35. JJR34 - January 18, 2010

Never addressed my point! Nice!

36. Captain Kathryn - January 18, 2010

So is it my understanding that at the end of the movie when Spock meets Spock that they are to co-exist in this universe, being the black hole is gone. Spock Prime did say that he was going to start a new colony of Vulcans, which I assume is in JJverse of the young crew. Seems like some kind of loophole.

37. Weerd1 - January 18, 2010

35- I did though in comment 23.

26- Yeah, definitely Andorians. What becomes their role in the Federation with a lot less Vulcans around?

38. Viking - January 18, 2010

‘Yeti: Hey maybe a film about Keenser then? Could be a TV movie like the Star Wars Christmas special. We meet Mama Keenser and kiddy Keenser’s. The Enterprise has dropped him home to celebrate a Keenser family BDAY!

BobOrci: So good.’

Oh, God, no………*BANGS HEAD AGAINST THE WALL*

39. Cap'n - January 18, 2010

Bob –

An Idea for the next movie –

Spock being the genius that he is, after some time reestablishing the Vulcan race, might just be able to find a way to return himself to his own, “Prime” universe. After all, he’s just a little past middle aged – 120 or so.

In the deleted scene – Nero’s missing 25 years – we know the Klingons were interested in that future info. It wouldn’t take much for them to shift their focus from Nero to Spock Prime.

What if Kirk were ordered to protect Spock Prime from the Klingons, & rather than bring him back to Earth – it being Kirk after all – he committed to helping Spock Prime return to the Prime-verse? Klingons to defeat, Starfleet pissed, & maybe Spock Prime undershoots a little, and is met back home by Kirk Prime, still very alive.

Prime-verse & Shatner restored
JJ-verse strong & secure – minus time bomb of Spock Prime’s future knowledge.
Young Kirk establishes classic relationship with Klingons for himself.
Nimoy & Shatner together again.
Elements of Yesterday’s Enterprise meet Quantum Mechanics.

Everybody wins! Only downside – everybody who reads this knows about it. Let the misinformation campaign begin!

– Kirk (seriously, that’s my name)

40. S. John Ross - January 18, 2010

Please no Andorians :( Please no Andorians :( Please no Andorians :(

41. Daniel Broadway - January 18, 2010

To those wanting to see an Abramsverse Excelsior…

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/58185-ascendence-class-tos-reimagined-excelsior.html

42. Cap'n - January 18, 2010

26 & 37 – Hell yes! I love Andorians! So misunderstood! Like Klingons, but blue, artists, & antennae instead of ridges. Slightly less bloodlust too …

43. sean - January 18, 2010

I always assumed that if you used one particular method to time travel, you couldn’t use another to get back. Like if you did a slingshot around the sun, you couldn’t then return to your origin point using the Guardian of Forever. Or vice versa. This is how it’s always worked in my mind, and thus in my mind Spock can’t use a slingshot because that’s not how he arrived. Since all the Red Matter was destroyed, he’s stuck, thus why he doesn’t try to ‘fix’ the timeline.

44. Tanner Waterbury - January 18, 2010

You know, Bob seems to be the only person to drop in from the Supreme Court. Where is Alex or Damon or even JJ? At least they should drop a comment every once in a while. Anyways, thanks for dropping in Bob, fun to read your responses.

45. S. John Ross - January 18, 2010

#44: “You know, Bob seems to be the only person to drop in from the Supreme Court. Where is Alex or Damon or even JJ?”

They’re all busy researching cutting-edge theoretical thinking regarding Red Matter, because they care so very much about the science.

46. somethoughts - January 18, 2010

Thanks Anthony and Bob

47. Jesustrek - January 18, 2010

Bob Orci Good Luck with the new Scrpit and Don’t Forget resolving the questioning in the following 2 Movies, and mabye we can see personages of TNG.

Saludos y Cuidate.
Jesustrek

48. somethoughts - January 18, 2010

#25

I like this, would love to see Mars/Moon in the sense of Pandora in the Star Trek universe.

Great chance to win some sci fi special awards here, tired of the quick matte paintings/5sec cgi scenes.

49. The Riddler - January 18, 2010

Universe splitting itself?

Has somebody been breaking into the Romulan Ale cabinet again?

50. Daoud - January 18, 2010

@41 How about putting it somewhere someone can look at it without having to make accounts, register, etc.?

51. trekreturns - January 18, 2010

There are many loose ends from the original series…now that it’s all set in the ‘JJVerse’…they should consider some unanswered guestions..for instance I always felt that in Star Trek Generation’s, the Nexus was a place between universes…hence only part of Kirk left it and died, he still exist in there and can choose to come out in any universe…hint hint! Also the episode where Spock and McCoy go back into planet Sarpedion’s past( because all the future residents went back to different times to avoid the planets supernova fate),does Spock have offspring with the female…and hence future half-vulcan inhabitants of Sarpedion…in another. There methods to travel could also be portals to other universes….

52. JJKirk - January 18, 2010

#39

I think you’re on a winner with that one. Great story!!!

53. G - January 18, 2010

Hey, while we’re all here, can someone please tell me the reasoning (if any) to the design of the transporter pads in the new movie? I’m referring to their shape.. instead of a flat pad to stand on, they appeared to be domed/sticking up from the floor. It would seem awkward to stand on.

I know this is a totally random and unrelated question to this discussion, but I’ve searched the web and can’t find any reference to it anywhere, and it’s been driving me crazy! LOL I was just curious as to the logic behind the design. Or, better yet, if Bob’O is reading, maybe he can tell us :)

54. andrew - January 18, 2010

If bob takes anything away from these impromptu chats I hope it is the two words I often see posted in these forums: no khan

55. dalek - January 18, 2010

A JJ-verse Excelsior is not all that far fetched. A lot of the fleet got wiped out at Vulcan. The need for new starships is vast!

56. G - January 18, 2010

Maybe a mission gets young Kirk, Spock and McCoy in trouble, and Spock Prime feels that he must take his jellyfish ship into the nexus to retrieve Kirk Prime in order to mount a rescue. Together, they take command of the Enterprise and help the rest of the young crew save young Kirk, Spock and McCoy, giving their lives in the process?

Spock Prime and Kirk Prime could die together. Before dying, Kirk could have a touching scene with young “Bones” to say goodbye. And, when Kirk Prime and Spock Prime give their lives in action for the young crew, Spock Prime can tell his friend Kirk Prime, “You did NOT die alone” (as he always insisted he would in ST: V, and ultimately did in Generations).

57. USS EXETER - January 18, 2010

I was here when Bob was, wish I had thought to ask him a question. Hey Bob if you are still reading, yes Excelsior would be awesome!!!

58. THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR ST XII - January 18, 2010

1. Please have a villain or nemesis with some equal footing technologically wise as the Federation.

2. No more “shields down to 10%” after being fired upon just once! In all the Trek movies, its always the Enterprise and its failing shields and some crewman sounding like the disembodied voice of CNN announcing the ship is falling apart. The E is supposed to be ‘new’ and state of the art.
Lets see what the ship and its crew can do with all of this technology.

3. Please make more use of the supporting cast and not let the new series become like the TOS movies where the focus was primarily on the trinity of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

4. Maybe it is too early for this, but how about a modern day interpretation of Pon Farr, the Vulcan mating ritual. I can see some fodder for some comic McCoy comments or crew about possible anatomical differences maybe between Vulcans and humans..sexual practices..etc. :)

5. Write a scene where the E separates during battle, BUT with a twist…have it split apart in more than just two parts, much like the Prometheus in Voyager, maybe.

6. When casting for the next villain or villaness…maybe its time for a strong woman villain in the next movie, look to the actor to have strong theatrical roots. When thinking Romulan, I can’t get Carolyn Seymour out of my mind as the Romulan Commander in TNG’s “Face of the Enemy.” Loved the way she breathed life into words that look dull on paper.

59. G - January 18, 2010

Will the J.J. Excelsior have lens flares? And, will it have a new improved upgraded viewscreen, with anti-glare coating? It only makes sense that the next class starship would address these problems LOL :) And instead of an iBridge, the bridge officers could just use those new Apple Tablets that they just unveiled recently.

60. Cap'n - January 18, 2010

#56 – He didn’t die alone – Picard was there. Apart from the fact that he gave his life for a bunch of faceless aliens, that’s why his death sucked so bad. It was way better when Shatner corrected it in his novels.

61. G - January 18, 2010

60. Cap’n – January 18, 2010

#56 – He didn’t die alone – Picard was there. Apart from the fact that he gave his life for a bunch of faceless aliens, that’s why his death sucked so bad. It was way better when Shatner corrected it in his novels.
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I see what you’re saying, but I think they always meant ‘alone’ in the sense that he had no family/children, and Spock and McCoy were his only family as far as he was concerned. Picard was a stranger to him. His ‘family’ was not with him. He was alone.

62. JimmyMac - January 18, 2010

William J. Bordeleau comments are excellently correct and elegant. The Enterprise needs to be featured as a main character in the next movie. The ship is what binds everything together in Star Trek and that’s one major reason why Star Wars can never be Star Trek.

Love the comments William (I’ve posted much less eloquent words myself regarding the old girl). As a child I was also mesmerized by the Enterpirse.

And thanks for listening Bob. This is really important.

63. Cap'n - January 18, 2010

61. G – You make a good point that I hadn’t considered. And you’re probably right. It just feels like such a hollow death for such a huge character. But maybe that’s fitting …

64. Trekluver - January 18, 2010

@boborci

Thanks for all the answers! This really gave me some insight. Now I’m just itching to hear that sentence… I guess I can wait untill that sentence has been turned into a full blown motion picture! I hate spoilers, wouldn’t even let my friends tell me the plot of the last one! :)

65. Trekluver - January 18, 2010

@63

No I’ts not fitting! It’s like Rambo says; “Heros never Die!” But then again as much as I want to see him come back mabye it’s not the new teams place to bring him back. But with a Prime Timeline Spock in the Alternate Timeline then the point of doing it becomes higher. Only if Shattner would sellte for less than lead cast pay! He should do something for the fans for once!

66. moauvian waoul - January 18, 2010

Excelsior would be interesting but it’s too soon. That’s movie era, several years after several five year missions.

67. Green-Blooded-Bastard - January 18, 2010

I can’t see Spock not trying in some way to save an entire race of beings, especially when it’s his own home world.

That said, I absolutely loved the new film. Cast was perfect, story even better. I can only hope that crew can put itself into the same mindset they did when preparing for the first picture. I like cameos and familiarity and all that, but the reality of it is, a great story makes up for nearly everything.

68. Boborci - January 18, 2010

45 s. John Ross

ever heard of Dark Matter? Know what is?

69. the dogfaced boy - January 18, 2010

Shatner should not do anything in any future Trek movie unless it has Pine’s Kirk coming in and kissing Prime Kirk’s 80 year old ass. But I can’t see how they could work that into the plot. So I don’t think it will happen.

70. ryanhuyton - January 18, 2010

Bob, you’re just like “Q” from The Next Generation. You have this uncanny ability to pop in and out without warning. Heh heh!

71. Zebonka - January 18, 2010

I always thought the BTTF time travel was a funny hybrid of theories. It had the notion of different tangents (for all intents and purposes, new universes created by the act of time travel) but then it also had “OH NOOO I just altered history and now I’m fading away…”

It’s a clear example of time travel as a plot device; the consequences being whatever they have to be to serve the writer’s whim, as opposed to being a consistent scientific theory. Granted though, BTTF had different priorities to all of that guff! I love those movies.

72. Anthony Pascale - January 18, 2010

it was raining all day today and i got some dark matter on my new star trek shoes. I need some red matter to create a black hole to send the shoes back in time to when they were mint condition, except if i do that i will be a a new shoeverse

73. SirMartman - January 18, 2010

Re 68. Boborci

Just alittle question,, Trek Movies have a history of,, heres the good guys,,heres the bad guys,, da dee da dee da,,and bad guy dies here,and the good guys ride off into the sunset.

My question is,
Will the new Trek get real bad egg guy that also has the intelligence to know when to make a run for it, and to fight another day ?

( I like to think that Nero isnt dead,,just lost in time,,,for now)

Cheers

Marty

74. Syn4Ever - January 18, 2010

I feel embarrased. Mr. Orci replied to a comment of mine awhile ago regarding Spock Prime. I thought it was someone just posing as him so I didn’t say “Thank you.” But I can now.

THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO MY COMMENT MR. ORCI!!!

75. devon - January 18, 2010

Thanks Bob for your consideration! Please take time to make the next one even bigger, bolder, and more epic in scale! I agree regarding the Enterprise as a character herself, treat her with respect! I also agree with the fact that this is Star Trek for a new Generation, so please although I appreciate the Triumvirate of Kirk/Spock/McCoy please give equal screen time to the other characters we know and love as well, make it a true ensemble piece featuring each member of the team. 43 years to finally hear Uhura’s 1st name uttered aloud on screen, My Gods, HOW UTTERLY DISRESPECTFUL TO NICHELLE NICHOLS who breathed life into this poorly neglected and underutilized character who managed to captivate and steal the hearts of millions of viewers despite minimal to nil screentime over the course of Trek’s history! At least Scotty and Chekov were given full names during the Original series run while poor Sulu had to endure 6 films to finally acknowledge his 1st name! The God damn writers couldn’t find the decency to do the same for Uhura during the 6 feature film run, give me a break! Even Rand, Chapel, Riley, etc. were given full names! Maybe it was intended to make Uhura more mysterious to the viewership, but being a human character, I think that it was a gross oversight on the part of all concerned! SO THANK YOU BOB & CREW FOR FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGING ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS OF ALL TIME WITH THE RESPECT SHE ALWAYS DESERVED BUT WAS NEVER GIVEN! Please continue to develop this wonderful groundbreaking female crewmember in new & wonderful ways as you have already… for instance, I am a huge fan of the NewSpock/Uhura relationship as I find it completely believable on every level : emotional, physical, intellectual, spiritual! Anyone who is a diehard fan of the original series can very easily see the numerous flirtatious scenes between the 2 characters and the respect that each has for the other. This is a Bold New Trek, a 2nd chance to redo & update & contemporize what Original fans have loved for 43+ years so that new generations can grow to love it just the same, and older generations can look forward to something Fresh!

76. skyjedi - January 18, 2010

I would rather grill Bob on what he did on those transformers films, bayformers anyone? I recently saw a game trailer that was spot on g1 transformers and said that should have been the movie.

The thing i disliked the most of the JJ Abrams flick both spocks apparent over emotional and illogical acting and statements. I mean i could buy it for quinto spock since its another universe reality by suddenly Nimoy prime spock is acting like an older version of quinto spock and that makes zero sense.

77. Jim Nightshade - January 18, 2010

the excelsior was a joke in trek 3-so overthought and easy for scotty to plug up-but with sulu commanding her everyone suddenly luvs the alka seltzer? wasnt excelsior something stan lee always shouted?

78. boborci - January 18, 2010

76. skyjedi – January 18, 2010

feel free to elaborate on the Spocks.

79. Chasco - January 18, 2010

Yeti: did you have to encourage this stupid idea? Here’s to Keenser getting stuffed out the nearest airlock at the beginning of the next film.
Please!

80. Vonneke Warlich - January 18, 2010

Thank you Mr. Orci for explaining the logic in the GRANDFATHERPARADOX. That is the best I have seen it expressed. I would hope you would consider continuing the theme from this last movie and expand upon it. Do another great Star Trek trilogy. From the excellent prequel comic book leading to your movie it would appear that Picard and TNG crew may have been watching what was happening to Romulus its end and red matter thingy. Get what I’m getting at? And bring other ideas from real Sci Fi writers as the Great Bird of the Galaxy might have.

81. NCC-1976 - January 18, 2010

This new time-line is suppose to mirror the original prime time-line, while still having its own unique flow and direction, so there should be many things that are 80% the same as we saw before, and the Klingons, Romulans, Andorians, etc shouldn’t look any diffrent than they did before, only more like real looking, instead of masks and make-up.

BUT PLEASE BOB IF YOUR READING THIS: Pretend that the brewery sized main engineering room, massive hanger bay, etc, was never seen on screen

(same as we all pretend that the REC Deck in TMP was smaller than it looked so it actually fit inside that area of the saucer rim, and how we blank out the 78 deck vertical turbo shaft in ST:5 since the ship only has 21 decks, and there isn’t a straight shaft like that in the entire ship!!!)

and set the size of the Enterprise back at the 1,200 feet that ILM originally planned instead of the monstrous 2,380 feet that they were forced to settle (there is no need for ships the size of the Galaxy Class in the mid 23rd century era of Trek) on due to the size of the hanger bay, and the engine room, and please replace the engine room with something more like the traditional Trek engine rooms!!! Also please pay a little more attention to the logic in the lines of technical dialogue. When Pike orders “auxiliary power from port nacelles to forward shields,” that made little since in context of how Trek technology works. There is only one port nacelle, and diverting auxiliary power from it makes no sense since operating power isn’t generated there. It would have been more clear and correct if he just ordered “auxiliary power to forward shields.”

BTW I’m glad you take the time to get feedback from us, and I loved the movie, even though those details that I mentioned bugged me! I’m a purist when it comes to getting technical details correct what else can I say!!!!

82. NCC-1976 - January 19, 2010

76. skyjedi

Spock came to terms with his human half after his encounter with Veger, and finally acknowledged it as part of himself and learned to draw strength from it as his years went on. McCoy’s teasing him about trying to “out Vulcan the Vulcans” due to his embarrassment and insecurity at being half Human finally sank into Spock’s mind, and he learned to accept and be comfortable with his true nature. Bob and company did a great job with their depiction of Spock’s youth, and early 20s on Vulcan in the movie. The paid attention to what was discussed in “Journey to Babel,” and how Nemioy portrayed Spock in his later years.

83. Cap'n - January 19, 2010

#76 skyjedi – The only bad line that Quinto’s Spock had in the whole film was, “That is not it,” when explaining Nero’s motivations & the new alternate reality after kicking Kirk out of the chair. He would never say “it” any more than he’d say “fine,” which “has variable definitions.” Everything else was spot on. Try to remember that even Vulcans grow as they age.

84. captain_neill - January 19, 2010

I miss my Trek universe

85. Daoud - January 19, 2010

@78 Perhaps he feels that the Spocks have forked quite a bit from previous incarnations.

Of course, carnal discussions of Spock being forked go back to the late 1960’s. Screen evidence has yet to determine this 40+ year old question. :)

How Vulcans will overcome the seven year pon farr to prevent the statistical elimination of their future numbers… interesting question!

86. David B - January 19, 2010

Bob

A few ideas…

Can you do three movies revolving around the new universe then have something happen that reverts the crew to their prime counterparts and do three more movies that way.

A possible 6 movie idea

1. Origin: done
2. Fighting Klingons
3. Guardian of Forever resulting in change of timeline, because he has the power to change it without the sling shot around the sun, the timeline must be corrected because the universe has become all out war and the only way to prevent trillions of deaths is to change back to the prime timeline.

3* You could see the old new universe Kirk (Shather) through the Guardian, but obviously his fate is changed to the prime Kirk and the old new universe Kirk will no longer exist.

4. As a result of change of timeline back to prime, events start to transpire towards, Space Seed and Doomsday

5. The Mirror Universe

6. Kirk promoted to Admiral and considers leaving Starfleet, the crew go their separate ways in order to be brought back together to face Vger 10 years later.

6* Admiral Archer’s beagle is found.

You could have the best of both Worlds.

Just to reitterate what everyone else has said if there is anyway to get William Shatner in the new film please do it, he won’t live forever and it would be nice to see him one more time.

Also think of it this way like Pulp Fiction, he may have died in Star Trek 7 but if lives in Star Trek 12 you have the same way of ending.

All the best

87. Hugh Hoyland - January 19, 2010

Maybe there should be a brief glimps into Khan’s escape from earth at the start of the film. then jump ahead 200 years or so…….

88. somethoughts - January 19, 2010

Start the film off with a epic battle at the Laurentian system at the very same time when Star Fleet got the fake distress call from Vulcan.

“We have received a distress call from Vulcan, with our primary fleet engaged in the Laurentian system, I hereby order all cadets to report to hanger one immediately, dismissed.”

-Adm Barnett

The fleet could have been there to defend against a Klingon Invasion force and/or the reappearance of the Narada, time loop displacement from the end of Star Trek 2009. The Klingons wanting to get vengence on the damaged Narada and the Federations investigating a lightning storm. Or it could be a Klingon ship(s) that have been taking over by Khan himself being awakened by a Klingon Bird of Prey who is attacking Federation colonies(s) near the area.

89. Dab - January 19, 2010

Surreal – Bob Orci commenting on an article about Bob Orci commenting on an article… Ouch, my head.

90. Weerd1 - January 19, 2010

Personally, I don’t understand the desire to retread ground TOS walked. If the new film did anything, it gave us all an opportunity to have a whole new Trek universe opened up no longer constrained by the minutia of 700 hours of previous filming. Certainly I want to see some of the familiar; see those things which would identify the story as a version of Trek, but the opportunity to expand on and add should not be missed. We’ve seen Khan. We’ve seen Klingons. We’ve seen time travel. Let’s boldly go somewhere new.

By Picard’s time in the Prime universe there are 150 Federation member planets and thousands of colonies. How many of those have truly been explored on film? A few dozen? There’s plenty of room for expansion.

Let’s let Mr. Orci and the gang work. I’m willing to bet they can refrain from disappointing us. We can talk amongst ourselves whether or not the Spocks were too emotional (76) or not emotional enough (18). May the Great Bird bless Mr. Orci for putting up with our contrary natures as much as he does.

91. an old codger - January 19, 2010

22: “Seriously though, Bob, it’s great having you as one of us on the supreme court!”

One of us?

92. doug_skywalker - January 19, 2010

for those of you wanting Excelsior in the new Trekverse, i do recall seeing a ship with her name on the chart of fleet ship designs in the Art of the Film (other recognizable names were up there too like Defiant). i also recall Excelsior being mentioned as one of the ships in the fleet by Captain Pike in the novelization…

so close to being reality on screen!

93. VZX - January 19, 2010

68. Bob:

Nobody in the wold knows what Dark Matter is, that’s why we call it dark. It could be MACHOs, WIMPs, neutrinos, anti-matter, who knows?

94. Dr. Image - January 19, 2010

Thanks for the feedback Bob.
I’ll just add that, as in post #81, I also wish that you guys would get some more of the technical things nailed down next time- bring in the Okudas or some of the countless others who have worked on Trek in the past. It would save having to reinvent the wheel via designers with no Trek history- again!
Trek unavoidably HAS a history of “technology” behind it that cannot be ignored.
Doing more homework wouldn’t hurt. It would only enhance the experience and, not to mention, lead to less people bitching.

PS- Everyone- the Art of the Film is very much worth getting. Very nice.

95. Steve T. in NY - January 19, 2010

Bob,

It seems you make a little one or two sentence comment here and there, so hopefully you’ll read this and comment a little more fully..lol.

I too like some others here posting consider myself to be a purist when it coms to the “Treknology”, and would love to see the brewery engine room idea scrapped in favor of a more futuristic one. It doesn’t have to look like all the engine rooms we’ve seen before, but it should have some continuity. The size of the ship still bugs me, but mainly because the effects guys never made the visual shots match up with the specs as they have been told to us. Looking at the shuttle as it flys by the big E in drydock clearly doesn’t give anyone the sense of scale that would say the ship is so much larger than the Enterprise we are used to from the original series. Just some food for thought, but like i said my main problem is engineering so please, please tell them to make it go away..lol
Otherwise, i thought the movie was great, and i’ve watched it many times since i bought it on blu-ray. My wife loves it and she was never into Star Trek before, so you even converted her for me.. Thanks for that! Just try to make the next one original, don’t use Khan, or try to remake the Star Trek 2,3,4 trilogy. JJ abrams mentioned the Gorn as a joke, but that could be a good starting point for a movie if it was doen right, especially now that Avatar has set the bar for motion capture effects. Just an idea i guess, but an interesting one. Anyway, just try to make it original, with the feel of the familliar, but without ripping off from the series and i think you’ll have another huge hit on your hands.
Hopefully you’ll read this and pass it along.

96. somethoughts - January 19, 2010

I am betting someone out there has the map of the entire universe and on it is a arrow that points and says you are here.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/who_speaks_for_those_with_no_v/darks018000001fa2.jpg

I am also betting the shape of the universe itself is like a snowflake/spiderweb, nature imitates itself.

I wish we can send out a probe at Faster Than Light Speed and take a picture of the universe to confirm my theory and have that picture sent back in a zillion years or faster.

97. somethoughts - January 19, 2010

That universal map must be priceless, most likely one of the final achievements of a great space faring civilization eh?

98. Silvereyes - January 19, 2010

Mr. Orci,

In 1979 I was a confused teenager in awe over the TMP Enterprise and in particular the underlying concept of the TMP story of conflict with the unknown. V’Ger was a mysterious and unfathomable entity. Enterprise had a aura of realism and an organic, poetic presence. Although Star Trek ’09 was a great success, I would like to see more of those elements in the next film.

99. Not smart enough for this - January 19, 2010

Can someone clear up this quantum mechanics timeline thing for me? They say that infinite parallel universes exist for every possible action and that time travel would simply mean travelling into a different universe. So if you go to another universe to kill your grandfather, there are an infinite number of other versions of yourself that will time travel into the universe you just left and kill your grandfather, therefore you don’t exist, therefore the paradox still exists…
Am I just confused…

100. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#68: “ever heard of Dark Matter? Know what is?”

Of course I’ve heard of dark matter, and I know what it _theoretically does_ and how it might be theoretically inferred (which is not the same as knowing what it is — your question is nonsensical).

Here’s a free tip: Next time you want to banter with me, hire a writer.

101. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#79: What’s with the ire against poor Keenser, anyway? Of all the Star Wars elements, I thought he was by far the most benign.

So much to have issues with in that film and people pick on the little sidekick alien :( It’s tragic on more levels than one.

102. Daoud - January 19, 2010

@100 So, are you thinking it’s more WIMPs or MACHOs? I’m more into some radical extradimensional quark-to-electron scale matter myself, because it has the weakly interacting part down, without requiring extreme masses such as the W and Z gauge bosons carry.

@various. So, let’s make a wishlist for Bob, so he can just say “Check” or “No Deal”:

–Laurentian System fleet gathering explained
–Klingons, Victor Garber again, Kor, perhaps?
–Where’s New Vulcan?
–Day After, or “Five Years After Nero”, etc.
–Prime Spock dishing details of external events? (Doomsday, Parasites, Kelvans, Beta XII-A entity, Singh Noonien Khan, the Borg, Q, Squire, Noonien Soong and Data, etc.)
–More Budweiser, Slusho, and a bag of Doritos?
–Where is Fleet Captain Garth!?!? (Garth… Garth… Garth… let the chanting begin…)

103. VZX - January 19, 2010

Boborci:

I just watched the movie again this past weekend and I noticed something:

It was never explained why Scotty needs to beam to the Enterprise with Kirk from Delta Vega!!

I mean, I think I know why, since he is the only one with the know-how to beam Kirk to the Narada, but it was never stated in the movie. I think non-Trek fans watching might have been confused about that. (Why is this Scottish guy going to the Enterprise with Kirk, whom he just met, and is supposed to be stationed on that planet, only to get caught in the plumbing?)

I guess a quick line from Scotty saying “I think I should go with ya, I can get ya on that alien ship. And by the way, call me Scotty” would have made the difference.

I know it’s just Monday-morning quaterbacking, but do you think that it was an oversight on your part? That it was not explained about Scotty?

104. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#102: The more out-of-the-ass the better, so I tend to lean toward WIMPs (neutralinos for CDM, etc), but I’m also fine with light bosons … axions are a wet slap and a holler because they’re not only replacing one hypothetical thing with another hypothetical thing, they’re replacing a hypothetical thing with a hypothetical thing where the hypothetical mass of the thing doesn’t even have a consistent … er … hypothesis. And that just tickles me :)

Plus, “axions” sound so Star Trek.

105. G - January 19, 2010

99. Not smart enough for this – January 19, 2010

Can someone clear up this quantum mechanics timeline thing for me? They say that infinite parallel universes exist for every possible action and that time travel would simply mean travelling into a different universe. So if you go to another universe to kill your grandfather, there are an infinite number of other versions of yourself that will time travel into the universe you just left and kill your grandfather, therefore you don’t exist, therefore the paradox still exists…
Am I just confused…
———————————————————————————————-
No, you’re not. Time only moves forward. Time Travel is possible, but only forward, in any universe. It’s just for fun.

106. Boborci - January 19, 2010

100. S. John Ross

Sorry for typos. Tough on iPhone. Have to keep sentences short and abbreviate, like, “u r a jrk,” for example;)

107. Harry Ballz - January 19, 2010

106

Clever!

108. Silvereyes - January 19, 2010

106 Mr. Orci,

Thank you for writing what we were all thinking…

109. Boborci - January 19, 2010

100. I think my point was to wonder why you find the concept of red matter so egregious given your knowledge of dark matter?

110. G - January 19, 2010

I just left some brown matter in my toilet. Not pretty.

111. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#109: “I think my point was to wonder why you find the concept of red matter so egregious given your knowledge of dark matter?”

Ah. My mistake for bothering with irony, I suppose. Mea culpa.

I do _not_ find the concept of Red Matter egregious, nor do I have any complaints about it, nor have I ever had any complaints about it.

(Waits for the gears to click into place)

112. Harry Ballz - January 19, 2010

109

When it comes to mind over matter, if one doesn’t mind, it doesn’t matter!

113. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

And while we’re at it, I’m one of those who weren’t at all bothered by the brewery, either. :/

114. Silvereyes - January 19, 2010

#112

Harry, you’ll never cease to amaze me and if you tell anyone I said that I’ll deny it…

115. somethoughts - January 19, 2010

Knowing Star Trek and how it predicts and foretells most technologies we have today, Red Matter is not out of the question. CERN maybe close in finding that Higgs boson, so who knows? I applaud them for taking into account modern science in their sci fi. It is fun trying to learn all there is to be learn in the galactic jig saw puzzle, either micro or macro.

116. Harry Ballz - January 19, 2010

114

heh, heh, heh……

117. James Heaney - Wowbagger - January 19, 2010

@BobOrci: Actually, S. John Ross is one of your more notable defenders around here. His wonderful phrase “canon is squishy” has covered a multitude of sins. He partly inspired me to the most insane (and lengthy) defense of your movie’s canonicity ever attempted (linked here: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=112365 in case you’re interested and have a LOT of spare time).

So, yeah, if I may be so bold as to defend him, I think this was just a case of Ross’s irony failing to convey itself over the internet to you.

118. P Technobabble - January 19, 2010

Bob O

I take back my comment about the riff-raff dying down. Apparently, it’s alive and snobbish, as ever. Sorry about that… so easy to be snied when not face to face? Praise the internet, eh?
I’m surprised any sci-fi fan would criticize the use of a term like “red matter,” when other terms that have been specifically invented for sci-fi literature (such as “phaser,” or “transwarp,” for example) are, apparently, ok. Or, perhaps the term “multiverse” is more grounded in science fact? My point is: it is ALL hypothetical, theoretica, speculative, hmm?
Unfortunately, the planet earth seems to be inhabited by a good number of Tellarites…. you know, those aliens who don’t need a reason to argue… they simply like to argue.
Rest assured, Bob, you have a lot more fans and supporters than your critics do.

119. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#115: “Knowing Star Trek and how it predicts and foretells most technologies we have today, Red Matter is not out of the question.”

It was also one of my favorite visual design elements of the film*, because there’s something very 1960s about having a supertech item resemble a lava lamp … Okay, it’s more “The Prisoner” than Trek, but all in the family, I say.

* My very favorite was in the good part of the movie: George Kirk’s ultra-high waistline, which made him totally look like a dude from the 1940s, when men pulled their pants up to their nipples, by golly … an appropriate generational touch that had me grinnin’.

120. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#117: Thank you, Wowbagger (and may you be Infinitely Prolonged, sir) but I’m sure Bob knows I’m his most fawning fanboy already ;)

Wait, I’m doing it again, aren’t I?

121. Anthony Pascale - January 19, 2010

Group hug?

btw, off topic about to interview Kate Mulgrew

122. Doug L. - January 19, 2010

I’m pretty much a fan of the new movie, it did a lot of things right and well.

My biggest concerns for the next movie, are to avoid a few things that for me stopped Star Trek from being a GREAT movie.

I hope the story telling is slowed just a bit. There wasn’t enough development for my taste, particularly with Nero’s motivation. It just didn’t make sense to blame Spock, The Federation, and Vulcan for a natural disaster that Spock risked his career and life to prevent. I need more.

I also have a hard time with any military styled organization conveniently placing a freshly graduated cadet in the Captain’s position after one mission.

Finally my last concern surrounded some convenient story telling with completely random encounters, Kirk, Spock in the cave, Scotty in the station, and some other minor conveniences.

I still liked the movie, but these scenes I feel could have been better developed for a much stronger movie. I trust the franchise is in pretty good hands and that they care about the characters.

My hope for the next film is to develop a story around Vulcan Refugees, and Vulcans who want revenge, embracing their emotions as a result of the very bold move to destroy Vulcan. This stuff is ripe for exploration.

Would love to hear Bob’s thoughts. Also curious how much input Damon Lindeloff had on the last script as opposed to the next one?

Best, Doug L

123. jas_montreal - January 19, 2010

@ Anthony (121)

Is this a audio interview that you will post up ? Or just a txt interview ? I’d love to hear the audio interview !

124. Eli - January 19, 2010

Thanks for posting again, Bob. Now Anthony’s gonna have to do ANOTHER recap!

I was curious if you’re still lurking around if you saw that Klingon propaganda video that was made last year and if you and the court have given any thought to crafting what could make for a cool multi-picture sub-conflict between the Klingon Empire and Starfleet?

I know that was one of the novels planned this year that was shelved because it may have conflicted with the plot of the next film…

Could we maybe look forward to Kor, Koloth, and Kang trying to take on the captain of the ship who single-handedly defeated the Romulan ship who destroyed a whole fleet of Klingon ships for “ultimate glory”?

125. dmduncan - January 19, 2010

Perhaps “red matter” is “exotic matter” by another name.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/exotic_matter.html

I’d also like to point out that much like “red matter,” “hyperspace” was a fictional device created in 1930’s SF to make faster than light travel (and therefore travel between planets) possible.

It has since acquired more speculative respectability in some theories as the interstices between universes where “normal” physics do not apply.

Thus, one might be able to jump into hyperspace where bans on breaking the speed limit of light do not exist, and then pop back into one’s own universe at a destination light years away, having broken no laws one could be prosecuted for.

Point being, “hyperspace” was created before any theory existed to back it up.

And of course, as we all know, Starships in ST do not travel by jumping to hyperspace; they travel by warping space — an ability which “exotic matter” or “red matter” may be needed to achieve.

126. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#118: It’s difficult trying to pick the most ironic thing about your post, but I think I’ll have to go with you calling other people “snobbish” _and_ calling them “riff-raff” at the same time. That’s just special :)

127. dmduncan - January 19, 2010

And of course, the reason why it’s RED is the same reason why we smell natural gas which otherwise has no detectable odor: It’s something ADDED so that we know its there.

128. G - January 19, 2010

@ 127. dmduncan – January 19, 2010

And of course, the reason why it’s RED is the same reason why we smell natural gas which otherwise has no detectable odor: It’s something ADDED so that we know its there.

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Hey, I like that :)

129. Daoud - January 19, 2010

@127 Cute idear. “RED MATTER from Vulcan. Enhanced for your visual enjoyment”. Sort of suggests “RED MAN Chewing Tobacco” or some such.

Perhaps the Vulcan Science Academy had a catalog of available 2387 Matter Colors: Red, Electric Blue, Forest Green, White, and the Eddie Bauer package Brown/Tan two-tone.

130. VZX - January 19, 2010

Anthony, when you interview Mulgrew, would it be possible to NOT mention the issues with her hair-do throughout the series?

Just kidding, looking forward to it…

131. Daoud - January 19, 2010

@Anthony… ahhh, if we’d had a chance to ask Kate questions… I’d ask her about cameos, and then “how’s your Russian accent” because Pavel Andreievich Chekov’s mother could turn up Worf’s-mother-style and check up on him. Katarina Ivanovaya….

132. dalek - January 19, 2010

I have a much softer spot for Voyager. Having watched subsequent episodes of Enterprise, I realise I was far too harsh on Voyager’s quality, and look forward to the interview with Mulgrew!

133. Damian - January 19, 2010

A question for Bob Orci. I’ve been a trekkie since The Voyage Home and have seen all the shows, movies, and read most of the novels by PocketBooks to date. I know you guys have repeatedly stated your admiration for the original series and the first several movies. My question for you, another Trekkie, is what was your favorite among the Rick Berman shows (DS9, Voyager or Enterprise) and your favorite among the 4 Next Generation movies?

A lot of so-called fans like to slam the Berman years, but for me, it gave me my trek fix for almost 20 years, most of which I enjoyed. The last interview I read him give, even he more or less acknoweldged his time was passed and it was time for someone else to take the reins.

134. dalek - January 19, 2010

Are the quibbles about “Red matter” and “Dark matter” really that important. It’s science fiction. Nobody in the history of movies has ever said that Star Trek 2 was ruined because the fictional substance “proto-matter” was inconceivable.

Bottom line: We can produce weapons no bigger than a house that could destroy half this planet. In the 24th century there’s no telling what we would be capable of.

135. somethoughts - January 19, 2010

#127

Very clever

136. G - January 19, 2010

I just checked my shorts again. There’s some evidence of Brown Matter in there.

137. dmduncan - January 19, 2010

136. G – January 19, 2010

I just checked my shorts again. There’s some evidence of Brown Matter in there.

*******

Don’t waste it, G.

If you ever find yourself surrounded by a thick crowd of beautiful women all hot for your body, that brown matter can be used to quickly open up a tunnel through girl-space so you can escape.

138. Anthony Pascale - January 19, 2010

sorry, but Kate’s hair did come up

139. somethoughts - January 19, 2010

Anthony, I hope you asked her who she finds more attractive, Picard or Kirk and what she would like to see in a Voyager Movie.

140. Robofuzz - January 19, 2010

Though not shown on screen in the movie, the Klingons apparently captured Nero and the Narada and held them for 20 years (deleted scenes). Surely they gleaned some technological advantage or knowledge of the past that will cause new problems for the Federation? Assuming that 80% of the JJVerse is the same as the Prime Verse, they would have some knowledge of future events. Their newly acquired knowledge might range from tribbles (and the trouble they cause) to foreseeing the destruction of Praxis and their ultimate subservience to the Federation after the Camp Khitomer accords. All sorts of possibilities to make the Klingons new and dangerous.

Also, imagine the problems it might cause if the Klingons got their hands on a sports almanac…

141. Krazy Joe - January 19, 2010

awww, man….

It’s a shame that no one asked him about getting Marina Sirtis as the Enterprise voice in Star Trek 12. Polls show the fans would love for it to happen, but I have no idea how to get the idea to JJ Abrams, Bob Orci, or anyone involved with the film!!

142. S. John Ross - January 19, 2010

#134: “Are the quibbles about “Red matter” and “Dark matter” really that important.”

There haven’t been any. But for future reference, quibbles are never important unless you’re storehousing quadrotriticale. Oh wait.

143. Krazy Joe - January 19, 2010

Bob Orci is still here?

Well in that case:

To Bob Orci:

Bob, I don’t know if JJ, Alex or yourself are aware of it but there has been a desire among Trek fans to see Marina Sirtis from ‘Next Generation’ take over as the voice of the Enterprise’s computer after the passing of Majel Barrett. It would be a nice touch because she’s a part of the franchise’s past (like majel) and played Majel’s daughter on the TV series.

I saw Marina Sirtis at a comic convention in June of 09 and told her that I thought she should be the next Enterprise voice. Her reply was, “I love the idea. I want you to start a website and twitter everyone you know to make it happen” — so she’s game for the idea.

Please concider it. I really can’t think of a better person for the role. Majel did the voice of the computer for every series and every movie. Now that she’s gone, I think it should be “kept in the family” so to speak.

Thanks.

144. Kruge - January 19, 2010

Um when did all the star trek fans agree Sirtis should do the voice?

And lets not forget that Sirits has been one of the worst ambassadors of Trek. She has ridiculed DS9 and ENT for years

And when the JJ Abrams movie was announced in 2006 she then attacked Paramount and JJ Abrams saying “they are killing Trek. They’re trying to reach a new “lost” audience..they just don’t get it ”
http://trekweb.com/articles/2006/07/31/Marina-Sirtis-Criticizes-Star-Trek-XI.shtml

And they should hire her why?

Bob, do not go anywhere near that woman. I say hire a Majel sound alike, use archived Majel voice. Or find your own voice, but Sirits should not be rewarded for years of badmouthing anything that isnt TNG.

145. P Technobabble - January 19, 2010

126. Sir John

I’m sure you could be more direct than that. I think I was just reiterating what Mr. Orci said “100. I think my point was to wonder why you find the concept of red matter so egregious given your knowledge of dark matter?” and that was because your original comment came across rather sarcastic. I, of all people, know the trouble that ensues when one’s comments are not absolutely, 1,000,000% clear in this forum, because they get taken the wrong way so easily. And I realize Bob is quite capable of defending himself, although he shouldn’t even have to amongst a group of people who are all supposed to be rallied around the same flag. I’m sorry if I said anything (again) out of line, but, at times, that line is becoming almost impossible to walk around here — don’t want to upset anyone in any way, right? But, as an artist, I feel badly and I feel embarrassed when other artists, like Bob, has to take continued badgering — even in spite of Bob’s obvious success! And no matter how much people criticize Trek09 — from the story, to the sets, to whatever nit-picky little thing they can find — the movie was a huge success and did what the last couple of decades of Trek could not do.
So, if I took what you said wrongly, I apologize (now you know how I feel). The fact is, if there was someone in here flogging you over your creative work, I’d be making the same rant. I am not a mean-spirited person in any way, and it is not my intention to create friction. At the same time, I have no problem responding to it, either.
Peace, Love & Flowers,
MikeG

146. somethoughts - January 19, 2010

#143

I would rather Nichelle Nichols be the voice of the Enterprise, would be a nice way to have the original Uhura be part of Star Trek.

I am sure they can get everything they need from all the years of TNG voice overs to cover the lines of the Enterprise computer, unless of course the Enterprise computer gets major script lines like HAL.

147. dmduncan - January 19, 2010

Oh SNAPS. I just discovered a motherload of RED MATTER, and believe it or not, you can find this stuff in most states. Take a look:

http://www.populationstatistic.com/archives/2006/05/20/targets-red-ball-fortifications/

148. moauvian waoul - January 19, 2010

I think one reason some have a problem with red matter is the way it was introduced specifically for this one circumstance. It is true that scifi has a history of such contrivances, such as warp speed, but they are understood going in, not just when it suites the outcome. IMHO.

149. Olley Olley Olley - January 19, 2010

Hi Bob!
It’s nice to talk to the big fellas!

can we dispense with the Shatner inclusion please.
as Harry stated, that window is closing very fast, and as a fan of Kirk [1966-1984] the rest was Ham and parody after that and thats what he would peddle on Trek12.

The introductions have been made with the sterling cast of 09, you really don’t need the wash ups, and command fees from hams that are best left behind in fandom.

just please, dont do it

150. Red Skirt - January 19, 2010

#120 – S. John Ross, LOL, I could read your comments all day.

Why do these writer-feedback comments always devolve into debating the most fictional of minutia? Is this the stuff that everyone keeps saying makes Star Trek more than a Summer Popcorn movie if one takes the time to peel back the layers? ;-)

151. Ralph Pinheiro - January 19, 2010

Bob, I would like to see again Tellerites, Andorians, Orion Sindicate, merchants as Cyrano Jones… they are star trek core

152. Green-Blooded-Bastard - January 19, 2010

I like Ice Cream. Coffee, to be specific. I hope I can get coffee ice cream in the future.

I’m back with some coffee ice cream. I was right, it was in my future.

153. Weerd1 - January 19, 2010

148- like proto-matter for Genesis?

154. ryanhuyton - January 19, 2010

#150 This is a Star Trek website. Everything related to all things Star Trek is broken down into infinite minutia. Everything is debated and nitpicked. Once the animal is killed, there is nothing left. Not even the bones.

155. Jackie - January 19, 2010

Man, I just want Spock playing his Vulcan lyre. And Uhura singing along.

ALSO, Mr. Orci… don’t forget that Spock plays piano, too! (Sorry. Piano geek here. It would make my LIFE if I could see Spock playing piano and have it actually look realistic onscreen, like in Amadeus…)

156. dmduncan - January 19, 2010

148: “I think one reason some have a problem with red matter is the way it was introduced specifically for this one circumstance.”

I remember one complaint, sort of like that, that it was an outrage that Romulans had tattoos because they never had tattoos before.

Sacre bleu.

157. Colonel West - January 19, 2010

@89:

that has to be some kind of paradox, god knows we’re used to them!

As for the computer voice, with the amount of voice work Majel did over the years there’s no problems there in that regard and it would be nice to have her legacy go on in that small way.

Also Judi Durand did a great job on DS9 and Voyager too. As much as I like Marina Sirtis there’s no point just doing something fanboyish just for the sake of it. Her voice would be instantly recognizable and would seem well out of place.

158. Colonel West - January 19, 2010

Oh and damn, apologies for the double post but seriously won’t somebody think of the Andorians?! Not a single one in the film, even in the Academy hearing scene, throw the blue guys a bone Bob!

159. ryanhuyton - January 19, 2010

#136 “Brown Matter” is already being used as an alternative, more environmentally-friendly source for generating electricity believe it or not.

160. ryanhuyton - January 19, 2010

And before someone suggests a male voice for the Enterprise computer, may I remind everyone since a ship is generally considered a “she”, then “she” ought to have a female voice. And I am aware that a number of ships have had male voices, but still. A female voice just works better in my opinion.

161. ryanhuyton - January 19, 2010

By the way, that’s a nice picture of Bob.

162. moauvian waoul - January 19, 2010

153 good point. I was thinking more like King to king’s level three. From”whom gods destroy”. Something that we only see once and then never again. But your point is well taken.

163. Jim Nightshade - January 19, 2010

I have a bob orci question–the story showed nero losing his planet of romulus–remus also destroyed but never mentioned,or not? That 2nd planet has me confused–why was it not mentioned?

164. moauvian waoul - January 19, 2010

156. Yup, but they had gone rouge!

165. Steve T. in NY - January 19, 2010

Okay, here’s my take on the voice of the Enterprise…. KATE MULGREW!! She has a great voice for teknobabble and would be a nice homage to Voyager as well as Star Trek in general. I also feel that her voice would be a good compliment as i’ve been watching Voyager recently and could hear it. What do you all think??

166. dmduncan - January 19, 2010

99. Not smart enough for this – January 19, 2010

Can someone clear up this quantum mechanics timeline thing for me? They say that infinite parallel universes exist for every possible action and that time travel would simply mean travelling into a different universe. So if you go to another universe to kill your grandfather, there are an infinite number of other versions of yourself that will time travel into the universe you just left and kill your grandfather, therefore you don’t exist, therefore the paradox still exists…
Am I just confused…

*******

As the theory goes, it would only be possible for you to kill an alternate copy of your grandfather, never your own grandfather. Any attempt to travel to the past would split the universes and you would enter a branched copy of the past in which you could do anything you wanted without altering your own present.

So it is both time travel — going to the past — AND travel to an alternate universe — where the past you go to is actually a copy of your own, but which will now unfold differently from the one you know.

Finally, because you DO exist, then regardless of what is abstractly possible, we can say that no alternate universe copy of you, regardless of how many there are, ever DOES in fact travel to your own past and kills your grandfather. (I believe there would be some conflict here between MWI and logic, where MWI states that whatever is possible really happens in a universe that splits to make the possibility actual, and logic which MIGHT view that as a modal fallacy, i.e., that it would be POSSIBLE for you to kill your grandfather but that because you obviously came from the future where you did exist, you DO NOT kill him regardless of the possibility; so there are some kinks there to work out, and no matter what quantum theory you want to look at, unbelievable weirdness will be inescapable. But I digress).

So we could say you were born in one of those many universes where it was not possible for an alternate copy of you to visit and kill your grandfather, thus preventing your birth.

Now I know that’s not how time travel worked in Trek before, but to be honest, Trek’s previous vision(s) of time travel were a bloody mess. The MWI idea makes it a little more sensible.

And as I’ve said before, even beyond the speculative aspect you can look at ST.09 as a cleverly told cosmic rebirth story using the language of modern speculative theories to retell the myth. That’s one of those things that makes it so cool. It’s a lot of different things at once.

167. Newman - January 19, 2010

Bob, you are the man! I am sorry I missed your impromptu chat. So will the newly-minted Captain Kirk be struggling to earn respect in this new film? Or is he already a legend?

Just something I’ve been thinking about.

168. dmduncan - January 19, 2010

And if you are going to cite “City on the Edge of Forever” I have to point out that Harlan Ellison is not, strictly speaking, a science fiction writer. His stuff bends and blends the genres, crosses all the lines, and his depiction of time travel in that episode was done less for the sake of logical coherence and more for the sake of telling a damned good dramatic story.

169. Bob Orci Fangirl - January 19, 2010

Bob, I love you for being such an internet nerd that you reply to articles about your own impromptu chat sessions.

Also, you are pretty cute and look like Scotty to me. I’m going to write some fanfiction with you in it; hope you’re cool with that.

Also, SPOCK/UHURA SEX SCENE. Human on alien-hybrid lovin’. Write it, film it, and watch those tickets sell, baby. You’re welcome.

170. Newman - January 19, 2010

169 – oh no.

171. Red Skirt - January 19, 2010

Bob and Alex are speaking following a screening of Star Trek at the Writer’s Guild theatre tomorrow in Beverly Hills. My boyfriend has RSVP’d for us. I hope we are able to make it as LA is supposed to have its worst storm in history tomorrow evening. Wow, I wonder if that’s like a lightning storm in space? Oooh, spooky …

172. Red Skirt - January 19, 2010

Oh Bob, I’ll wear a red skirt just for you … but unlike the gals in your film, I’ll be wearing tights (it’s friggin’ cold here now!).

173. Chris Pike - January 20, 2010

Dark matter: very probably extremely inert and ‘dead’, as implied by the name; it appears to give off 0 radiation of any type so very doubtful it would have any exotic properties.

I always had it in my mind that dilithium is a type of ‘exotic matter’ as it seems to be key to making space warp at all within the Trekverse…in TOS they seem to be able to read it from some distances away.

174. S. John Ross - January 20, 2010

#145: “[…] your original comment came across rather sarcastic.”

It was, absolutely. It’s just that it was an ironic comment about something other than Red Matter, using Red Matter as the point of ironic comparison. Digging deeper into it at this point would be more than its worth, for any of us :)

“although he shouldn’t even have to amongst a group of people who are all supposed to be rallied around the same flag.”

On this point I strongly disagree. Given that the flag I think we’re rallying around is the flag of quality Star Trek, Bob should have to _constantly_ defend himself, and if he isn’t, then the filmgoers aren’t doing their collective job, which is to hold Bob and his colleagues’ collective feet to the fire. That said, I do think Bob takes more of the heat than he personally rates, simply because he has the grace and patience to be the single ambassador for his entire Supreme Court, but that’s a choice he makes with a clear knowledge of the implications. For his choice, I salute him, and as a Star Trek fan I can only promise not to disappoint him on providing notes of both praise and critique as I see fit.

“no matter how much people criticize Trek09 — from the story, to the sets, to whatever nit-picky little thing they can find — the movie was a huge success and did what the last couple of decades of Trek could not do.”

Whether is was a success of any kind depends entirely on how each individual chooses to measure success. I do certainly agree that it was a success for Bob (based on his net-persona, anyway) and to a lesser degree of certainty I think it was a success for the rest of the Supreme Court as well. It was a partial, qualified success for me in some ways (I liked it – saw it twice) and more of a failure in some other ways. These are Subjective Matter, which is like Red Matter, Dark Matter _and_ Brown Matter, but without the mod/groovy lava-lamp presentation or cool words like “axion.”

“So, if I took what you said wrongly, I apologize (now you know how I feel). The fact is, if there was someone in here flogging you over your creative work, I’d be making the same rant.”

People haven’t flogged me for my Trek work in nearly a decade, and I must say, I don’t miss that part very much as it was exhausting :) That said, having been on that side of it (on the much, much smaller scale of licensed Trek gaming material) I stand by my position: it was my job to take the hits, and it was the fans’ job to dish them out to me. On those days when I got nothing but hugs and thanks, I feel something was going wrong (I earned my hugs and thanks with fun work, but there should always be two edges on that sword).

On the other hand, on those days when I was trapped in a booth trying to eat my pizza while a Trek fan I’d never met before that day waxed on poetically about his awesome extra-military version of Starfleet, I feel I earned advance pennance for all manner of entertaining sins, many of which I’m still working through in my daily life. Some day I may write a memoir about the legal ones.

And given that I _do_ know how it feels, and that I do know that Bob gets a _metric f*ckton_ more of it than I ever had to deal with, this is my source of respect for Bob’s willingness to go through it. When I speak of his patience and grace, my words are irony free. And only, it must be said, at those times :)

#150 “S. John Ross, LOL, I could read your comments all day.”

Mucho thanko. I do at least try to dip my barbs in a bit of flavor before flinging them around ;) Otherwise it’d just be work.

“Is this the stuff that everyone keeps saying makes Star Trek more than a Summer Popcorn movie if one takes the time to peel back the layers? ;-)”

That and the product placements.

175. Christopher Mulrooney - January 20, 2010

Message to Mr, Bob Orci: Saw the movie again on Sunday with members of my Fanclub I belong too the USS-Angeles, Chapter of Star Fleet Inational. We were at the Premier in the grandstands for the red carpet, well anyways, I was supposed to be an extra, but I am not going to get into that at this point.

We watched the Deleted scenes, loved the scene that would have happen before Young Kirk drives off, there was an error I am sure you have heard this, Young James T. Kirk calles his Brother Johnny, When his brother should have been named George Kirk Jr. But oh well not to be the Nit picking trekkie, lol

Chris Mulrooney

176. Christopher Mulrooney - January 20, 2010

Oh one more thing, I am a member of American Legion Post 43 in Hollywood, I know a secret, about a bar?

Chris Mulrooney

177. Christopher Mulrooney - January 20, 2010

Posted in the wrong section :( Dang it.

178. Mr. Styles - January 20, 2010

Excelsior huh? This may spark interest: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/015/a/b/Concept___AR_Excelsior_by_Jetfreak74656.png

Cool huh? I really like this one.

179. somethoughts - January 20, 2010

I always love new star ship designs, would love it if they just came out and showed us every star ship that exists in this alternative reality. Star Ships for exploring, battle, recon, long range, interceptors etc. sorta like how the navy/military has different classes and such. Would also like to see the federation play with cloaking, I mean who is to say that only the other guys got that technology? You think the USA would not develop Stealth simply because the Russians, German, or Japanese say you can’t?

180. somethoughts - January 20, 2010

Also the Treaty of Algeron 2311 has not happened yet or will ever happen in this alternative reality.

181. Weerd1 - January 20, 2010

178- that’s actually pretty well done.

182. Hugh Hoyland - January 20, 2010

Bob, are you still around bro?

183. P Technobabble - January 20, 2010

174. S. John
I can appreciate the fans wanting to voice their opinions, and, to a large degree, this site is a means to do so. But many fans want to make their own Star Trek, and they want to make Star Trek their own. Who did Gene Roddenberry create Star Trek for, initially? He didn’t start out with a fan-base. The fan-base grew over time as a result of television and movie “insiders,” who delivered the episodes, the series, the characters, etc. The fans were, and still are, fans — not co-creators (unless they are making their own “fan-made” stuff). However, making Star Trek IS Bob Orci’s (and the rest of the Supreme Court’s) JOB. It’s what he’s been hired to do, and the only people he really has to answer to are the people signing his check. That said, it is, apparently, out of the goodness of his heart, and his own love of Star Trek, that brings him to participate with us here. How often do we get the chance to rub elbows with James Cameron, or Diablo Cody, or Paul Greengrass, or…?, the way we’ve been able to with Bob Orci? I think it is a terrific honor to have Bob frequent this site and make himself so available. (I feel the same way about other Trek “insiders,” like Rick Sternbach, Darren D, David Gerrold, etc.)
The so-called “flag of quality Star Trek” is a rather subjective one, don’t you think? I mean, does anyone really think Bob and Alex, Damon and JJ put out a Star Trek that they did not feel was of the best quality they could possibly deliver? As I have stated many times before, I do not believe any artist produces a work he/she doesn’t believe in, nor does he/she produce works they feel are lacking in quality. They do what they do, and they typically do it out of love of the craft, not with a specific intention to satisfy millions of people. If millions of people enjoy their work, then that work “delivered the goods,” and would be considered a success. If two-thousand people over against millions of people didn’t think the work delivered the goods, does that mean the artist didn’t offer a quality piece of work? Whether someone likes something or not IS a completely subjective matter, but (in the case of a movie) a good box office result, and more positive reviews than negative reviews is, typically, how success and “quality” are measured, and those statistics would not be considered a subjective matter, unless you wish to argue the point.
I have no inherent problem with people voicing criticism, particularly if it is constructive and presented in the form of friendly conversation. But there are some people who simply badger Bob Orci, and I agree with your comment that: “I do think Bob takes more of the heat than he personally rates, simply because he has the grace and patience to be the single ambassador for his entire Supreme Court…” But why would he come to this site expecting to be put through a meat-grinder? There have been some here who rant about the plot, Kirk’s promotion, the brewery, the lens flares, etc., over and over. To what end? Trek09 is now history, carved in stone. If anyone wants the Supreme Court to consider some serious, thoughtful criticism, is being sarcastic, or snied, or even downright rude the best way to get their attention (I’m not pointing a finger at anyone, specifically)? I, personally, do not think so. I’m sure you would agree, an intelligent, thoughtful conversation is far more attractive than dealing with someone who sticks his nose up at you, and tells you you don’t know what you’re doing…
I’ve said before, I have no doubt that Bob and other members of the Supreme Court visit this site to get a sense of what the fans are commenting on, and some of that may even figure into how they may proceed with some facet of the script. But none of us here have been invited to pitch anything, none of us have been invited over to Bob’s office to collaborate on Star Trek. Therefore, none of us should presume we automatically know what’s better for Star Trek than Bob, who WAS invited to collaborate on Star Trek. All we have here is a forum to voice our opinions, but — like any other film-maker — these guys are under no obligation to pay any attention to us, whatsoever.
Paramount foots the bill for Star Trek movies, and JJ & Co. are on the payroll, not the fans. If fans want to make Star Trek, they are free to do so, within limits. Otherwise, I think (and this is just how I think) we should all be supportive of these guys, whether we agree with all of their decisions or not (we may not even know why some decisions go down the way they do). The bottom line is, if it weren’t for them (right now), we might not have any “official” Star Trek at all.
This is all the most thoughtful, considered opinion I can deliver.

184. S. John Ross - January 20, 2010

183: “The so-called “flag of quality Star Trek” is a rather subjective one, don’t you think?”

Entirely.

“[…] a good box office result, and more positive reviews than negative reviews is, typically, how success and “quality” are measured, and those statistics would not be considered a subjective matter, unless you wish to argue the point.”

The statistics are objective. However, the objective nature of the criterion does not render that criterion’s _value_ objective. Similarly, consensus does not lend objectivity. If this point is unclear I can provide non-snide illustrative examples.

“Trek09 is now history, carved in stone.”

Carved in Memory Alpha, at least. As for stone … time will tell.

“If anyone wants the Supreme Court to consider some serious, thoughtful criticism, is being sarcastic, or snied, or even downright rude the best way to get their attention?”

Indeed not, if that’s your goal. But I find the presumption puzzling, given the context.

“none of us should presume we automatically know what’s better for Star Trek ”

Indeed. I don’t recall anyone suggesting otherwise, however.

“Paramount foots the bill for Star Trek movies, and JJ & Co. are on the payroll, not the fans.”

This is, by your own logic, irrelevant. There are also other ways its irrelevant, but they’re irrelevant :)

“I think (and this is just how I think) we should all be supportive of these guys”

I am eager to be, should one day they earn it. This is subjective.

185. P Technobabble - January 20, 2010

184.
I’m content to let you have the last word, since all we’re doing at this point is having a tennis match, volleying back and forth.
I said: “I think (and this is just how I think) we should all be supportive of these guys”
And you replied: “I am eager to be, should one day they earn it. This is subjective.”
Yes, it is subjective. I think they have earned it, and you don’t.
That’s how the story ends.

186. S. John Ross - January 20, 2010

#185: “That’s how the story ends.”

Nonsense; they’re making another one.

187. P Technobabble - January 20, 2010

186.

I was referring to our disagreement.

188. Red Skirt - January 20, 2010

#183 – “Paramount foots the bill for Star Trek movies, and JJ & Co. are on the payroll, not the fans.”

That’s right, the fans foot the bill for Paramount to produce Star Trek, even if it is advanced against that anticipated income. Therefore, the fans have hired JJ & Co. and theoretically should be able to dictate the terms of their employment and results of their work. It’s not a lot different than the stock market in many respects.

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“does anyone really think Bob and Alex, Damon and JJ put out a Star Trek that they did not feel was of the best quality they could possibly deliver? … They do what they do, and they typically do it out of love of the craft, not with a specific intention to satisfy millions of people.”

In this case “art” has no place in it. The explicit goal of Paramount was to produce a product with the specific intention to satisfy millions of people.

I have no idea what any of the involved creative people’s motives were. Many people work in Hollywood because of the enormous salaries and prestige to be earned, and not all of the work is spawned from passion for the craft alone. To chose one or the other is second guessing without all the facts.

Making movies are a huge compromise, Star Trek is no different. I would wager that yes, most if not all of the people involved delivered a product they felt could have been better. Was this intentional? Who knows. But this romanticism about Hollywood is simply misplaced. Would anyone be producing Star Trek now if they didn’t feel they could make money from it?

And let’s not get overly sentimental here. Gene Roddenberry was not necessarily an artist expressing a vision he had to explore. He saw an opportunity, encouraged by his friends, to exploit an area in television that had never been done before, indeed an untapped market for viewers who would embrace such a thing. Did he create art? Was he 100% satisfied with the results? Clearly there is ample documentation that he wasn’t. But make no mistake about it, he did it for the money and the money came from the fans who had every right to criticize what they didn’t like about the product they bought with their hard earned pennies.

Unlike true art, which often gets created whether the artist can eat or not, would Roddenberry had ever created Star Trek if he could not have fed his family? The big difference here is that, the “real” art gets made whether anyone buys it or not. Commercial art gets produced only when someone pays for it, and where money changes hands, the customer gets to dictate the terms of that art.

Should people be rude to Bob Orci when he visits? Absolutely not. But then they can’t even be civil to each other. In that context Orci is not treated any worse than anyone else with a dissenting opinion. He certainly doesn’t deserve any special treatment, merely because he got the job and somebody else didn’t. In fact my reading, he wouldn’t want it any other way.

189. dmduncan - January 20, 2010

188: “In this case ‘art’ has no place in it. The explicit goal of Paramount was to produce a product with the specific intention to satisfy millions of people.”

Art and commerce are not mutually exclusive, and their intertwining is not a phenomenon peculiar to movies. Many great pieces of art now hanging in museums or private collections were commissioned by wealthy payers to not as wealthy and sometimes just plain poor payees who had paint, brushes, and talent.

Consider the illustrations of Toulouse-Lautrec, or the Mona Lisa, which was commissioned by Lisa’s husband (who subsequently stiffed da Vinci on the payment, so da Vinci kept the portrait). And though it began as a painting commissioned to hang on the del Giocondo’s wall, it ended up being a lot more than just another simple portrait some guy was hired to paint.

Just because something is commercially funded does not mean the artists do not put their love and talent into what they do and that the result cannot transcend the objective of those who paid for it.

190. S. John Ross - January 20, 2010

#187: “I was referring to our disagreement.”

But in your last post, everything you said _agreed_ with what I’d said. Were you being insincere?

191. Desstruxion - January 20, 2010

77. the excelsior was a joke in trek 3-so overthought and easy for scotty to plug up-but with sulu commanding her everyone suddenly luvs the alka seltzer? wasnt excelsior something stan lee always shouted?
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Actually I liked the Excelsior from the first frame. I do like the upgraded look of Enterprise-B better though.

192. Desstruxion - January 20, 2010

Anyone know of any fan renderings of a re-imagined, Abramsverse style, Enterprise-D? Links to it?

193. P Technobabble - January 20, 2010

188. Red

“…the fans foot the bill for Paramount to produce Star Trek, even if it is advanced against that anticipated income. Therefore, the fans have hired JJ & Co. and theoretically should be able to dictate the terms of their employment and results of their work….”

Perhaps in theory, but I really don’t think that’s how it works. If I send JJ a memo about what I think about the next film, and Brad Grey or Rob Moore sends him a memo, whose memo do you think would wind up in the trash? If I call Bob O at the same time Brad Grey calls him, whose call is Bob gonna take? I’m a fan, I’m footing the bill by buying a ticket, so shouldn’t these guys be listening to me? I’m sorry, I just don’t think it works that way.

“In this case “art” has no place in it. The explicit goal of Paramount was to produce a product with the specific intention to satisfy millions of people…”

Yes, I’m sure that was Paramount’s goal, from a purely business standpoint. But we shouldn’t forget that Bob, Alex and Damon were Star Trek fans before they got the job. I have no doubt they were as much motivated by a love and enthusiasm for Star Trek as for doing the job. And, they were writing long before they got any jobs, and they kept writing until they began to get jobs. Isn’t that what art is? I believe it is a love for the craft that motivates an artist, not PRIMARILY money. I’ve been a working, recording musician for about 30 years and if I were in it just for the money I’d have quit a long time ago, cos I’ve never gotten rich. I write songs because that’s what I do. I don’t write them because I think I am, or am going to be, a millionaire. I don’t even write them because I, necessarily, think anyone else will like them. And, I recently co-authored, and saw publication of, my first sci-fi novel, but I wasn’t primarily motivated by the thought of getting on the NY Times bestseller list while we were writing it. So, I believe I speak from first-hand experience.

“…I would wager that yes, most if not all of the people involved delivered a product they felt could have been better…”

You really think that? Do you mean “they could’ve done something differently if they’d had the money?” or something like that? But to bet that the people involved felt they could have delivered a better movie… I’m not so sure of that. You honestly think JJ or Bob would say, “Yeh, now that it’s over, I’m sure we could have delivered a better movie?”

“…The big difference here is that, the “real” art gets made whether anyone buys it or not. Commercial art gets produced only when someone pays for it, and where money changes hands, the customer gets to dictate the terms of that art…”

What you seem to be describing is “commissioned” art, where someone hires an artist to produce a particular piece of work. As far as Roddenberry goes, he was already a working tv writer, feeding his family. Star Trek was created as a kind of hobby, and he was turned down quite a bit before being given a chance to produce it. It was a project he believed in, and, to some degree, he was motivated by portraying a future in which mankind didn’t blow itself up. I have no doubt, since he was already in the business, he sensed he could make money from it. But initial Star Trek fans didn’t pay a dime to see it on the tv. If you want to follow the money through the sponsors, and the products, etc., then, I suppose, in some quantum way, the fans helped support Star Trek, but I think that is really splitting atoms. As for what constitutes “real” art, I don’t know how to answer that. I think of what I do as “art,” and I don’t always make money from it, and sometimes I do, but I am not, what I would consider, a “success.” I don’t ever think of what I do as any less artistic than what any other painter, writer, poet, film-maker, etc. does, but I cannot do it solely because I think I’m going to make money at it… or I’d be a very depressed person.
As for how we treat Bob Orci… well, you’re right about people, in general, not being civil to each other, but I don’t think that’s an excuse. It says a lot about what kind of human beings we are, in any case… hardly the sort of human beings that will, likely, create a “Trekian” sort of world, hmm?

194. P Technobabble - January 20, 2010

190. S. John

Not insincere at all.
Our disagreement is here: I said:”…I think (and this is just how I think) we should all be supportive of these guys”
You said: I am eager to be, should one day they earn it. This is subjective.

I believe they have earned it already, you don’t seem to think so. Am I right?

195. Charla - January 20, 2010

Wow, I missed soo much!

BobOrci and crew- you guys have a big fan base, and I know you want to make money and do what you love to do, just like anyone else here on this board or in the great U.S. You have that right! :D You all are very fortunate to have these jobs, as I am sure you know and I personally (as well as so many other people) thank you for taking such great care of Star Trek, through these jobs. Someone else without the same devotion to the series would have been disasterous!

You have done wonderfully, and I apologize for any rudeness you may come across here.

We love to hear your thoughts on your work and can’t wait until 2012!

196. dmduncan - January 20, 2010

They’ve earned it in my book too. I don’t know what they could’ve done (besides the Shatner ending) for ST.09 that would’ve made it an even better origin/rebirth story.

Follow in the turtle flipper prints of STTMP? Pffft.

197. S. John Ross - January 21, 2010

#194: “I believe they have earned it already, you don’t seem to think so. Am I right?”

Close enough, sure. They have, clearly, earned it from you. They have not, clearly, earned it from me … because it’s subjective. We agree that it’s subjective, so by having different takes on it we’re simply confirming what we agree on. Having different takes doesn’t constitute a _dis_agreement, just a dual confirmation of the subjectivity of the matter.

198. Anthony Pascale - January 21, 2010

this is descending into one of those things where the discussion becomes all about one poster, do we really need to get into these debates

the rules are simple. Be civil to each other, including guests like Bob Orci. You all dont need to agree, but this site strives to have a friendly environment for all who come so all feel welcome to debate and discuss, and yes that means not being rude.

I know rudeness on the Internet is a hobby for some, but there are plenty of places on the web for you to practice it, just not here

199. Anthony Pascale - January 21, 2010

btw, ran into bob tonight at the WGA event and got a quick interview, look for that soon

200. Hugh Hoyland - January 21, 2010

Anthony, cool deal, look forward to that.

201. S. John Ross - January 21, 2010

#198: “this is descending into one of those things where the discussion becomes all about one poster”

As observed most aptly by post #89 ;)

202. dmduncan - January 21, 2010

193: “And, I recently co-authored, and saw publication of, my first sci-fi novel,”

Congratulations Technobabble. What’s the title/publisher?

203. P Technobabble - January 21, 2010

202. dmduncan

It’s called “The Eternal Messiah” by WR Pursche and Michael Gabriele (not the same Michael Gabriele who wrote the award-winning “Squint.”) Published by Varzara House, 2009.
I’m very proud of the advance reviews we got, one from theologist Harvey Cox, as well as an assortment of rabbis, priests, religious scholars and other authors, including best-selling author William P. Young (“The Shack”). Amazing that they read sci-fi!
It was a wonderful experience, no matter what the outcome is. Anyone interested can find it on Amazon.
Thanks for asking, DM :)

204. dmduncan - January 21, 2010

Sure Michael. I’ll check it out.

205. Harry Ballz - January 21, 2010

203

I read some of the capsule reviews. Very cool! Congratulations, Michael!

206. P Technobabble - January 22, 2010

204, 205. DM and Harry

Much appreciated guys!

207. Harry Ballz - January 22, 2010

206

You bet!

208. Charla - January 22, 2010

#198 Well put Anthony. I admit I get distracted by the random posters who seem to want to bring the spirit of the discussions down by their negativity. Everyone does have different thoughts and opinions and I respect that until they cross the line a bit.

I will ignore those from here out- hope everyone else does the same- maybe they will get bored and go to another site!

209. nifty - January 26, 2010

#34, what does the fact that Shatner hasn’t seen the film have to do with writing a profit/creative winner?
The answer is nothing, fyi. Nimoy hadn’t seen a Trek film in decades yet he pulled it off just fine.
As good and as well as Trek did, it would have done a little better if Shatner was in it. Therefore he should be in the next one. More people who are casual fans would have seen it, than those who would have protested by not seeing it (which is virtually none).

It regards to the civility comment that should go without saying both ways. Clearly here though insulting Shatner and those that support him, is allowed and in fact encouraged as those that defend him get their comments deleted here. I have seen it here scores of times. The moderators here are not even open to constructive critism.

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