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	<title>Comments on: JJ Abrams Gives A Star Trek Sequel Update + Talks MI:IV &amp; Oscars</title>
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		<title>By: boohoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>boohoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep asking myself, Why didn’t Abrams hire Mike Okuda to check his continuity? Or anybody for that matter, that was actually familiar with the canon. It was a big budget movie and they couldn’t hire a consultant to tighten up the plot for the trekies. 

I think behind the scenes Abrams and the other higher up folks at Paramount had a good laugh at the trekies, by not bothering to deal with the continuity errors. I just don’t undertsand how all this happened, especially in an age when directors release “special directors cut” editions with all the nerdy stuff (like Watchmen for example). Trekies didn’t even get that bone thrown to them.

However with all this, I was thinking that we should just consider the Abrams Star Trek the “Mirror Universe” told as revisionist history. Once the Abrams version is no longer “Hot Stuff” hopefully a writer knowledgeable about “canon” can come along and upend the whole story and say, &quot;well, that was the Mirror Universe and nobody told you so at the time&quot;. BTY, I was influenced to this idea on another board.

My point is, we should just accept this universe to be the mirror universe of the Terran Empire. It makes all the continuity issues more tolerable: 

1) This would explain why the USS Relativity doesn’t show up to fix the timeline. Because it’s the mirror universe and the future Federation doesn’t care about what happens in the Mirror Universe timeline. 

2) This would explain why there is no George Samuel Kirk. The Mirror Kirk may not have had a brother in the Mirror Universe, so he is essentially George, but is named Jim due to the destruction of the USS Kelvin and early death of his father Lt Kirk. It also explains why he is such a trouble maker without conscience, unlike the original Captain Kirk. Mirror Kirks background was never discussed, so to a certain degree anything goes.

4) This would also explain why Uhura and Spock have a relationship. This Mirror Spock doesn’t care about his bond with T’pring and with the destruction of Vulcan she dies anyway. Not the best explanation in the world, but its better than just outright ignoring the Amok Time episode.

3) Why does Pike not get court martialed for doing such a poor job defending the planet Vulcan and directing the Federation fleet? Because he is an officer of the Terran Empire, not the Federation. To some degree the Terran Empire doesn’t care otherwise, whether Vulcan survives or not. Since the Romulan Empire is independent in the Mirror Universe, the issue of defeating a new powerful Romulan Ship is a more pressing matter than saving Vulcan. 

4) It would also explain why the USS Kelvin looks so weird. The design of the Kelvin that we see in the Abrams film could have been influenced by the appearance of the more advanced Constitution class USS Defiant, which appeared in Tholian space during the time of Captain Archer from the Terran Empire, not the Federation. This could explain the earlier diversion of the timeline that precedes Nero and Narada and makes everything so radically different (i.e. technology differences, earlier ecounters with the Cardassians and the existance of nokia)

I think it will be cake for writers to retcon this version of Star Trek in the future. If the Tholians could open a gateway into an alternate future universe, then the Red stuff that Spock was using could do the same effect into the past. In fact this timeline could be an attempt by the Terran Slave resistance to keep the Terran Empire from losing power to the Alliance with the assistance by maniputating the time line in the Mirror Universe behind the scenes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep asking myself, Why didn’t Abrams hire Mike Okuda to check his continuity? Or anybody for that matter, that was actually familiar with the canon. It was a big budget movie and they couldn’t hire a consultant to tighten up the plot for the trekies. </p>
<p>I think behind the scenes Abrams and the other higher up folks at Paramount had a good laugh at the trekies, by not bothering to deal with the continuity errors. I just don’t undertsand how all this happened, especially in an age when directors release “special directors cut” editions with all the nerdy stuff (like Watchmen for example). Trekies didn’t even get that bone thrown to them.</p>
<p>However with all this, I was thinking that we should just consider the Abrams Star Trek the “Mirror Universe” told as revisionist history. Once the Abrams version is no longer “Hot Stuff” hopefully a writer knowledgeable about “canon” can come along and upend the whole story and say, &#8220;well, that was the Mirror Universe and nobody told you so at the time&#8221;. BTY, I was influenced to this idea on another board.</p>
<p>My point is, we should just accept this universe to be the mirror universe of the Terran Empire. It makes all the continuity issues more tolerable: </p>
<p>1) This would explain why the USS Relativity doesn’t show up to fix the timeline. Because it’s the mirror universe and the future Federation doesn’t care about what happens in the Mirror Universe timeline. </p>
<p>2) This would explain why there is no George Samuel Kirk. The Mirror Kirk may not have had a brother in the Mirror Universe, so he is essentially George, but is named Jim due to the destruction of the USS Kelvin and early death of his father Lt Kirk. It also explains why he is such a trouble maker without conscience, unlike the original Captain Kirk. Mirror Kirks background was never discussed, so to a certain degree anything goes.</p>
<p>4) This would also explain why Uhura and Spock have a relationship. This Mirror Spock doesn’t care about his bond with T’pring and with the destruction of Vulcan she dies anyway. Not the best explanation in the world, but its better than just outright ignoring the Amok Time episode.</p>
<p>3) Why does Pike not get court martialed for doing such a poor job defending the planet Vulcan and directing the Federation fleet? Because he is an officer of the Terran Empire, not the Federation. To some degree the Terran Empire doesn’t care otherwise, whether Vulcan survives or not. Since the Romulan Empire is independent in the Mirror Universe, the issue of defeating a new powerful Romulan Ship is a more pressing matter than saving Vulcan. </p>
<p>4) It would also explain why the USS Kelvin looks so weird. The design of the Kelvin that we see in the Abrams film could have been influenced by the appearance of the more advanced Constitution class USS Defiant, which appeared in Tholian space during the time of Captain Archer from the Terran Empire, not the Federation. This could explain the earlier diversion of the timeline that precedes Nero and Narada and makes everything so radically different (i.e. technology differences, earlier ecounters with the Cardassians and the existance of nokia)</p>
<p>I think it will be cake for writers to retcon this version of Star Trek in the future. If the Tholians could open a gateway into an alternate future universe, then the Red stuff that Spock was using could do the same effect into the past. In fact this timeline could be an attempt by the Terran Slave resistance to keep the Terran Empire from losing power to the Alliance with the assistance by maniputating the time line in the Mirror Universe behind the scenes.</p>
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		<title>By: HugeTrek Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>HugeTrek Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about they call larry niven and get permission to use the kzin to involve the Slaver WEapon</description>
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		<title>By: HugeTrek Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>HugeTrek Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets see the Trelain or how the klingons change via a bio engineering accident, or perhaps khan but mind you he is till floating out in space and has not been pitted against kirk yet since he hasn,t been marooned on seti alpha 5. It would also be a cool way to introduce Dr. Marcus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets see the Trelain or how the klingons change via a bio engineering accident, or perhaps khan but mind you he is till floating out in space and has not been pitted against kirk yet since he hasn,t been marooned on seti alpha 5. It would also be a cool way to introduce Dr. Marcus.</p>
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		<title>By: oz1967</title>
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		<dc:creator>oz1967</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK here is an easy way to justify star trek 2009&#039;s success and appeal, My Dad a 74 year old retired carpenter, who only like&#039;s old westerns and hates sci-fi, especially my star trek collection, LOVED THIS REBOOT MOVIE SO MUCH HE HAS WATCHED IT THREE TIMES AND ONCE IN THE CINEMA. NO MORE TO BE SAID REALLY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK here is an easy way to justify star trek 2009&#8217;s success and appeal, My Dad a 74 year old retired carpenter, who only like&#8217;s old westerns and hates sci-fi, especially my star trek collection, LOVED THIS REBOOT MOVIE SO MUCH HE HAS WATCHED IT THREE TIMES AND ONCE IN THE CINEMA. NO MORE TO BE SAID REALLY!</p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rented the Star Trek movie yesterday and its been watched by every member of the family at least 2 times--some of us have watched it 3 times.  One comment made by daughter made be realize that this was indeed a reboot for the series.  &quot;I don&#039;t like Star Trek but his is my favorite movie!&quot;  While most of us diehard fans didn&#039;t understand some of the movie changes, it does appear the newer generations love them.  Also, the time change aspect of the storyline means anything is a go--the romance of Spock and Ohura, for example.  My family can&#039;t wait for the next iteration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rented the Star Trek movie yesterday and its been watched by every member of the family at least 2 times&#8211;some of us have watched it 3 times.  One comment made by daughter made be realize that this was indeed a reboot for the series.  &#8220;I don&#8217;t like Star Trek but his is my favorite movie!&#8221;  While most of us diehard fans didn&#8217;t understand some of the movie changes, it does appear the newer generations love them.  Also, the time change aspect of the storyline means anything is a go&#8211;the romance of Spock and Ohura, for example.  My family can&#8217;t wait for the next iteration.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>72. Janice

I&#039;d like an Abrams-produced HBO Star Trek show starring Bruce Greenwood as Pike!</description>
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<p>I&#8217;d like an Abrams-produced HBO Star Trek show starring Bruce Greenwood as Pike!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mob Oeca whats the status of Star Trek 12?</description>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to see Abrams direct the Star Trek sequel and I also want to see Bruce Greenwood back in the role of Pike!  Both are winners!</description>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>boborci you will make the Trek sequel great you just need to stir up a great mix of what you want in the sequel and put your own style to it ps I love the cast they were brilliant but please if you do bring back Shatner don&#039;t make his comeback forced ok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boborci you will make the Trek sequel great you just need to stir up a great mix of what you want in the sequel and put your own style to it ps I love the cast they were brilliant but please if you do bring back Shatner don&#8217;t make his comeback forced ok</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She is so pretty JJ Abrams wife anyway please direct the sequel JJ and I&#039;m so happy for the makeup team congrats to the brilliant Star Trek film.</description>
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