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	<title>Comments on: OscarWatch: Trek Nominee Gets Speech Help + Quinto &amp; Madonna Party + Predictions + more [UPDATED]</title>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ST2012 is a combination of  Avatar and The Hurt Locker, I&#039;m going back to my Heinleins.  Star Trek will be over.  Maybe ST2012 should be Oprah + American Idol.  That would prove even more popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ST2012 is a combination of  Avatar and The Hurt Locker, I&#8217;m going back to my Heinleins.  Star Trek will be over.  Maybe ST2012 should be Oprah + American Idol.  That would prove even more popular.</p>
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		<title>By: PunkSpocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>PunkSpocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please let&#039;s not speculate about someone&#039;s sexuality. That&#039;s private stuff. I love this website and I enjoy reading the postings, don&#039;t ruin it for me. Zach is hot no matter what! He&#039;s propably respectful to women and madonna can be at ease. Until someone comes out, let&#039;s leave it alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please let&#8217;s not speculate about someone&#8217;s sexuality. That&#8217;s private stuff. I love this website and I enjoy reading the postings, don&#8217;t ruin it for me. Zach is hot no matter what! He&#8217;s propably respectful to women and madonna can be at ease. Until someone comes out, let&#8217;s leave it alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Trekboi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trekboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah if Madonna deemed him posse worthy the boy is gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah if Madonna deemed him posse worthy the boy is gay.</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15: Fair play, then :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15: Fair play, then :)</p>
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		<title>By: Hat Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hat Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>13, good point.

14, no comment.... I like Joseph Campbell.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>13, good point.</p>
<p>14, no comment&#8230;. I like Joseph Campbell.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10: &quot;We need to put a face on that philosophy — a Campbellian face; a mythological face. &quot;

Hopefully something intelligent and honest, rather than literally Campbellian. :/

#13: &quot;From what I understand, the Hurt Locker earned about $18 million. As much as Paramount would love an Oscar on their mantle, they don’t want it that badly.&quot;

This is fundamental truth, sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10: &#8220;We need to put a face on that philosophy — a Campbellian face; a mythological face. &#8221;</p>
<p>Hopefully something intelligent and honest, rather than literally Campbellian. :/</p>
<p>#13: &#8220;From what I understand, the Hurt Locker earned about $18 million. As much as Paramount would love an Oscar on their mantle, they don’t want it that badly.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is fundamental truth, sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk's Girdle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk's Girdle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Hat Rick. 

From what I understand, the Hurt Locker earned about $18 million. 
As much as Paramount would love an Oscar on their mantle, they don&#039;t want it that badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Hat Rick. </p>
<p>From what I understand, the Hurt Locker earned about $18 million.<br />
As much as Paramount would love an Oscar on their mantle, they don&#8217;t want it that badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Hat Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hat Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, some day I will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, some day I will.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Skirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Skirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10, &quot;Avatar + The Hurt Locker should = ST2012.&quot;

Really, so if this were 2008 Oscars, Slumdog Millionaire + Milk should = ST2012? Or 2007, No Country For Old Men + Juno = ST? 


&quot;Trek has a lot more of something that Avatar only has for a single movie: Philosophical grit, and plenty of it.&quot;

Care to elaborate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10, &#8220;Avatar + The Hurt Locker should = ST2012.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really, so if this were 2008 Oscars, Slumdog Millionaire + Milk should = ST2012? Or 2007, No Country For Old Men + Juno = ST? </p>
<p>&#8220;Trek has a lot more of something that Avatar only has for a single movie: Philosophical grit, and plenty of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Care to elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: Hat Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hat Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Oscar thing....

What lessons can we learn from the fact (yes, it&#039;s practically a fact) that Avatar swept (yes, I&#039;m writing in the past tense even though it&#039;s only 9:23 a.m. Sunday here on the &#039;Coast) most of the awards?

Surprisingly little, actually.

What we can learn is actually more from The Hurt Locker.

One word: Gritty.

Trek already has most of what Avatar had; the execution wasn&#039;t quite the same, but the qualities are there: science fiction, a forward-moving story, special effects, etc.  

But what Trek needs more of is The Shock -- The Shock of things that you can&#039;t see on the streets of any major city in the civilized world.  Gritty, warlike, macho-type shock that gets the buzz.

Avatar + The Hurt Locker should = ST2012.  

Because, though Avatar had a little something that Trek didn&#039;t have, Trek has a lot more of something that Avatar only has for a single movie: Philosophical grit, and plenty of it.

As many have said, various stories in DS9 had perhaps the most cinematic qualities of any in Trek.  Lives of individuals and universes were changed.  Hard-hitting stories were told -- aside from &quot;A Sacrifice of Angels&quot; and the well-known battle arcs in DS9, there were excellent character studies like &quot;For the Uniform.&quot;

ST2012 needs to import the hard-hitting realism of that aspect of DS9, while remaining true to Trek.

As I think about it, Trek really has turned out to be more than anyone could ever have hoped it would be.  It has turned out to be -- as Futurama has put it -- kind of a religion.  Or at least a philosophy.

We need to put a face on that philosophy -- a Campbellian face; a mythological face.  We need to show an Avatarian Vietnam face, a indigenous face, a no-guts-no-glory face, a Christian / atheist / sacred / secular face, a no-atheists-in-foxholes face of Trek to the world.  All that, in a universe that recognizes that God Does Not Actually Exist.

That, and strike box office platinum.

Can it be done?

Ask James Cameron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Oscar thing&#8230;.</p>
<p>What lessons can we learn from the fact (yes, it&#8217;s practically a fact) that Avatar swept (yes, I&#8217;m writing in the past tense even though it&#8217;s only 9:23 a.m. Sunday here on the &#8216;Coast) most of the awards?</p>
<p>Surprisingly little, actually.</p>
<p>What we can learn is actually more from The Hurt Locker.</p>
<p>One word: Gritty.</p>
<p>Trek already has most of what Avatar had; the execution wasn&#8217;t quite the same, but the qualities are there: science fiction, a forward-moving story, special effects, etc.  </p>
<p>But what Trek needs more of is The Shock &#8212; The Shock of things that you can&#8217;t see on the streets of any major city in the civilized world.  Gritty, warlike, macho-type shock that gets the buzz.</p>
<p>Avatar + The Hurt Locker should = ST2012.  </p>
<p>Because, though Avatar had a little something that Trek didn&#8217;t have, Trek has a lot more of something that Avatar only has for a single movie: Philosophical grit, and plenty of it.</p>
<p>As many have said, various stories in DS9 had perhaps the most cinematic qualities of any in Trek.  Lives of individuals and universes were changed.  Hard-hitting stories were told &#8212; aside from &#8220;A Sacrifice of Angels&#8221; and the well-known battle arcs in DS9, there were excellent character studies like &#8220;For the Uniform.&#8221;</p>
<p>ST2012 needs to import the hard-hitting realism of that aspect of DS9, while remaining true to Trek.</p>
<p>As I think about it, Trek really has turned out to be more than anyone could ever have hoped it would be.  It has turned out to be &#8212; as Futurama has put it &#8212; kind of a religion.  Or at least a philosophy.</p>
<p>We need to put a face on that philosophy &#8212; a Campbellian face; a mythological face.  We need to show an Avatarian Vietnam face, a indigenous face, a no-guts-no-glory face, a Christian / atheist / sacred / secular face, a no-atheists-in-foxholes face of Trek to the world.  All that, in a universe that recognizes that God Does Not Actually Exist.</p>
<p>That, and strike box office platinum.</p>
<p>Can it be done?</p>
<p>Ask James Cameron.</p>
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