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Ron Moore: Battlestar Galactica Born From Star Trek: Deep Space Nine June 1, 2010

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Star Trek vet Ronald Moore wrote sixty episodes during his tenure with the franchise, half of which were for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Moore went on to create the dark reboot of Battlestar Galactica, which he now says was born in the DS9 writers room. 

 

DS9 begat BSG

Ron Moore was a guest at the London MCM Expo this past weekend and was interviewed by HeyUGuys, who asked him about the connections between BSG, and his time with Trek and specifically with Deep Space Nine. Here is what Moore said about the parallels between BSG and DS9:

Ron Moore: I think a lot of Battlestar was born at Deep Space Nine in that Deep Space started as much more episodic because of the nature of the show, it became more a continuing serialised structure. I really liked that, and I discovered I really liked that style of storytelling, and also particularly when we got into the later years of Deep Space, and we started telling the Dominion War story (1997-99), we would sit and argue and fight with the powers that be at Trek about making it a more realistic war, about making it grittier, and ugly; adding more ambiguity to the characters, and roughing it up a little bit, and I kept bumping my head against the strictures at Trek. What Star Trek is could not accommodate things that I wanted to do, so I started to have this sort of pent up frustration about ‘well if we were really going to do it right’, these ideas would sit in the back of my head so when Battlestar came along, I could now do all of those things that I was never allowed to do at Deep Space.

BattleTrek Galactica Nine

After co-creating the new Galactica with David Eick, Moore brought a number of other writers in from DS9. Both Bradley Thompson and David Weddle wrote and served as story editors for both shows. In addition Michael Taylor and Jane Espenson wrote for them both.

While not as dark in tone as Galactica, Deep Space Nine is certainly the darkest of the franchise. This mashup of the BSG opening theme with DS9 images shows the two series fit together well.  

 

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Comments

1. Rocket Scientist - June 1, 2010

Excellent! I love both of those shows so it’s great to see that the seeds of one were planted in the other.

2. Max - June 1, 2010

Deep Space 9 was both the darkest Trek (occupation, war) and the most offbeat and funny (Ferengi, Jake and Nog, Trials & Tribbleations). It was more balanced than the doom n’ gloom show it is often generalized to be.

3. The First Son of Krypton - June 1, 2010

That opening is amazing!!!!

4. Atlantians - June 1, 2010

I laughed during the opening.

It was great. The BSG style zooms.

I wish they didn’t reuse scenes so much. They could have made the final so much more epic.

5. James Heaney - June 1, 2010

In other shocking news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is STILL DEAD!

Seriously, is anyone at all surprised about this? :P But an interview with RDM is always nice to see — he’s an enlightening fellow — and the mashup is a classic.

6. Jim Nightshade - June 1, 2010

Interesting but how popular was bsg–wast ds9 a lot moe popular?

7. agentm31 - June 1, 2010

My two favorite shows of all time. RDM is amazing.

8. Khan was Framed! - June 1, 2010

DS9 was really amazing!

The serialization really strengthened the range of storytelling we expected from Trek & some episodes were down right gritty.

It’s a shame to hear that Moore & company were restricted by the “Bermanators”.

Typical network BS!

i never watched BSG beyond the pilot, the acting was so bad!
But I hear good things so I’ve been saving the DVDs for a rainy day.

Something to watch during the TV Trek void.

9. Captain Conrad - June 1, 2010

That was fantastic!!!! Too bad BSG sucked in the end

10. That One Guy - June 1, 2010

I have to say, if Ron Moore teamed up with JJ, Orci, and Kurtzman, that would be one helluva Trek.

Fringe and Alias were both absolutely fantastic shows. There was also Lost, which I was not a big fan of, but I admit to it having some great characters.

11. Spectre7 - June 1, 2010

I would gladly welcome both a new Trek and a new Battlestar from Moore!

12. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - June 1, 2010

Gosh, I miss BSG… it’s funny, because I like BSG way better than DS9 (my least favorite ST series, including Enterprise), and yet the provenance of BSG with respect to DS9, from the standpoint of its “feel”, is evident. However, BSG never indulged in serious cheesiness, like DS9 did with the ersatz Sinatra character in the Holosuite, the perennial Ferengi clowning, or the constant overacting (no names).

13. John - June 2, 2010

The Trek restrictions on the writers have always been a fascinating yet unexplored subject, at least publicly.

I realize people don’t always want to divulge what might have been for fear of devaluing the work, nor are they likely eager to acknowledge the creative limitations of something they bought into (or paid the bills with).

But as a long-time fan of TNG and DS9, I would welcome a feature or interview on this issue.

14. Will_H - June 2, 2010

I’ve never watched BSG but I might have to check it out because the Dominion War was the only part of DS9 that I really got into.

15. Your Friendly Neighborhood Mobile Emitter - June 2, 2010

…why is there a poll about Simon Pegg on a story about DS9 & BSG?

16. Paulaner - June 2, 2010

BSG is really awesome. Every episode is stunning. Best show in years. Flame me, but I would really love that kind of reboot for Star Trek: new mood, new characters, new philosophy, new storyline.

17. robowarrior - June 2, 2010

I love DS9 and the original BSG, but I’ve never seen the new series so I can’t say whether I like it or not yet.

18. Paulaner - June 2, 2010

#17

Do yourself a favor and watch BSG.

19. P Technobabble - June 2, 2010

DS9 was, in itself, a limited kind of show, in that so much of it took place in the space station (at least in the beginning). I think this forced the writers to really focus on character-driven stories. In that sense, BSG had the advantage, as the writers already knew how to approach the new characters. It has got to be one of the more challenging aspects of doing sci-fi, since there is such a tendency to let the technology and sfx take center stage. Both DS9 and BSG really kept the characters up front — although I felt that once DS9 got the Defiant, it got the characters off the station more, and became a bit more like TNG (not entirely, but…).
I like Ron Moore’s work, and I like his approach to doing sci-fi. I’ll bet his best work is still yet to come.

20. NuKirk - June 2, 2010

JJ and crew should do a film adaptation of the turn of the century DS9 trilogy novel MILLENNIUM which frameworked the Apocalypse in a DS9 Prophets/Pah-Wraiths/Dominion context, and would make for a much darker, much more epic, film trilogy…

21. Valar1 - June 2, 2010

I liked DS9 and initially loved BSG but I slowly grew to despise it. Ron Moore tends to write expensive melodramatic soap operas, if left to his own devices. On DS9 Ira Steven Behr was able to insist on plot and story having some prominence, but on BSG it was all Moore.

Moore tends to write a story around the characters which normally sounds like a good thing, but for some reason that prevents him from meshing plot and story continuity from episode to episode- e.g. the vaunted Plan that the Cylons had seemed to make no sense episode to episode, in one they want to kill all of the humans, in the next they let them go, etc.

His writing buddy Braga had the opposite side of the problem- he didn’t care about the characters as long as he could write another harebrained plot or story in which he could plug Janeway, Chakotay and Seven into it.

God bless them both, but I hope neither of them ever get a chance to get near Trek ever again.

22. philpot - June 2, 2010

i hope they do a big BSG movie like ST09 – going back to the original…i know Moores BSG is good but its been done start to finish.

so im hoping theres some news soon about Singers BSG movie getting prepped for about 2012 or 2013

23. paul fitz - June 2, 2010

I loved BSG and DS9, but both of them have their own annoying plot threads. IMHO
I hated the whole pah wraiths thing in DS9 it just did not feel like good sci-fi to me, like it was falling into fantasy to fill a need.
And the finale of BSG involving the use of mysticism to explain Starbuck, and the over reaching need to stay true to the original storylines use of religious prophecy etc…

Dark and gritty when needed is cool, but it is spoiled by the use of the “magical” elements etc. . .

24. U.S.S. ADAMA - June 2, 2010

There is no way singer…or anyone in my opinion…could top moores BSG.
especially the way singer made a bit of a mess with superman, I was hoping he’d get a shot at the sequel to rectify it but sadly thats not happening.
To bring out a singer bsg movie is just plain unescessary, especially so soon after BSG has finished and while Moores bsg universe is still in production with the albeit inferior caprica.
My love with trek began with Next gen and continued through the following series and movies But galactica gripped me for its 4 seasons in a way that trek never did. Im a lover of all sci fi…especially trek but Bsg was something else, Probably my favourite show of ALL time. If you havent seen it yet put it to the top of your to do list. Bear in mind the first few episodes of any series aint the best ones…look at any of the trek series. That said i would klll for another Tv trek.

25. Desstruxion - June 2, 2010

Liked em both.

26. Barihawk - June 2, 2010

I remember reading about Moore trying to make a scene in one episode that involved Jem Hadar taking hostages. Sisko told a young JO “It’s going to be fine, son” and the Alpha said “No it isn’t” and fried the ensign’s face off with a point blank shot. They wouldn’t let him do it, but it would have been a shocking moment of television that BSG would later become popular for.

Moore’s also the one who wanted “One Tiny Ship” to feature the Pakleds as adversaries but these same powers that be made him use the Dominion instead. It would have been a far cuter episode.

27. VOODOO - June 2, 2010

BSG is superior in every way.

28. Crypter Crypter Crypter - June 2, 2010

I gave up on DS9 when it became too Star Wars-y with all the dogfights in space. But I loved the characters, esp. Odo, and Sisko.

BSG jumped the shark when the focus moved in season 4 from the story of the colonials, to the final five. The writers ran out of story, so they shocked-and-awed us by revealing 5 regulars to be Cylons, then retconned the prior 3 seasons, (apparently the final 5 can age…WTF?????) and shifted away from character driven storylines about Lee and William, to the awful storyline aboard the Demetrius. Oh…and they revealed the Cylons actually had NO PLAN!!! UGH!!! Thanks!! And while I’m at it…cheers to Syfy for separating season 4 and 4.5 by 11 months!!!!!!!

29. kmart - June 2, 2010

if BSG hadn’t looked like most of it was shot through a dirty windowpane, it’d stand a lot more rewatching. (there’s a difference between ‘gritty’ and ‘grit.)

I really loved most of GALACTICA — there’s a moment in the finale just before Dean Stockwell gives up the ghost that really plays like the great climax of the ‘WW3′ miniseries from the 80s — but DS9 is more rewatchable for me, at least the three dozen or so I really like, mostly from the last four seasons.

30. BillyLone - June 2, 2010

I LOVED both of these shows. I was saddened when DS9 ended and even more so when BSG ended last year. I did see alot of similarities btw the 2 shows: characters with moralistic flaws and a sense of paranoia when you have an enemy that blends into the population (the Changelings and Human Cylons).

wl

31. Jorg Sacul - June 2, 2010

the whole Dominion war story arc bored the snot out of me. Some people loved it, thought it was the cat’s pajamas, but it really killed DS9 for me.

32. Trek Lady - June 2, 2010

Maybe I needed to watch more of it, but I really did not like the BSG reboot. It was so dreary and dark. Sort of, “Life sucks and then you die.” And the characters didn’t seem to have many redeeming qualities. Flaws are fine, as long as you are working to overcome them or be a better person.

So it left me feeling empty and I really didn’t see the point of it at all.I t wasn’t optimistic. It wasn’t enriching. It wasn’t inspiring. It just seems like a wallow in self-destruction.

Not my thing at all. Life is horrific enough if you look around a bit. I don’t need a TV show that glorifies what is worst about humanity.

Just my opinion of course.

33. AJ - June 2, 2010

DS9′s greatest problem was the religious ‘blah-blah’ of the prophets, and the “spiritual” Bajorans who reminded me of some cult hacks from California. Kira was as “spiritual” as Lindsay Lohan.

Trek does better when it exposes the underlying evil of pseudo-religion, such as Vaal or Landru, or calls the unknown a “thing” before truly exploring and discovering its nature. That criticism was reserved for one corrupt priest.

Starfleet, and Sisko in particular should have treated them as aliens. Instead, the prophets were interwoven into the ongoing storyline, and consumed it at the end.

34. MikeTen - June 2, 2010

The poll should have had a option for liking one show more than the other.
I like both shows but like DS9 alittle more. NuBSG had a ending that seemed rushed and left some questions unanswered like what happened to Starbuck?

35. Weerd1 - June 2, 2010

Loved them both- indeed DS9 is my favorite Trek series. I never understood the criticism for DS9. Trek was about examining the good AND bad in humanity, and there’s no better way to do that than seeing how we act in war. Was anything we saw DS9 really worse than Commodore Decker, Captain Garth, Captain Tracey, or Captain Merrick? Even Kirk was quite willing to go to war on Organia, and had to have his desire pointed out to him. You can still present a better future while acknowledging humanity’s problems.

36. Weerd1 - June 2, 2010

34- sorry for the double post, but I missed MikeTen’s comment- we know exactly what happened to Starbuck. She was a prodigal child with incredible talents and an ambiguous father figure whose mother felt she had a great destiny. People variously believe her to be an angel and a devil. She died, was resurrected, saved her people and ascended. It had all happened before… and would all happen again.

37. Captain Rickover - June 2, 2010

DSN is the far better show IMO. BSG is too dark, too dirty and even the characters are all too human (in the negative way) for me. DSN find the right way between darker story themes and lightwight comedy (Quarck and his ferengi pals).

38. Frank - June 2, 2010

I guess I’ll have to say it – if BSG was born from DS9, then they were both born from Babylon 5. Credit JMS with being the godfather of both.

39. CmdrR - June 2, 2010

Love both shows.

40. JWWright - June 2, 2010

Theres no comparison, Deep Snore 9 was a snoozefest boasting wooden performances, tedious, contrived drama and forced chemistry.

BSG: brilliant writing, acting, hardware and set design, premise, use of historic backstory, etc…

I hated the original BSG series, and I’m all about Trek, but I’ll take Bab5 over DS9 any day of the week.

41. tman - June 2, 2010

I don’t know what dark is. There was a more realistic and grittier feel to Star Trek TOS than ANY of the later shows. I think somewhere between a future replete in jump suits, aliens differentiated from one another by increasingly baroque facial prosthetics, and emotionally needy characters who look like the cast from a 1980′s sitcom, it gets hard to believe these guys are in a war or could win a war regardless of the ambiguities or conflict in the story.

I think the cartoonish nature of DS9 and Enterprise is what spiked a stake into the heart of the Star Trek franchise. I would admit that BSG characters also had some of the excessive emotional need but much less and buried between an excellent first season and a series finale that took the show where it could go.

42. Gary - June 2, 2010

Only that Deep Space Nine is lightyears ahead of crappy nuBSG. It’s a good thing that Moore couldn’t do everything he wanted on DS9.

43. stealing the enterprise - June 2, 2010

great video! makes me want to go watch some old DS9 episodes!

44. james - June 2, 2010

My vote goes to DS9.

45. Nelson - June 2, 2010

I have to ask, if Gene Roddenberry and DC Fontana were involved in DS9, whose to say they wouldn’t let it get a little ugly and more gritty.

I think TOS would have gone there. But that regime at the time of TNG and DS9 were afraid to with GR gone.

46. "Check the Circuit!" - June 2, 2010

DS9 is the most underappreciated of the Trek series….IMHO. And it got better as the powers that be loosened the reins. The final 3-4 seasons were outstanding and they took us really interesting chances. “In the Pale Moonlight” may have been one of the best single episodes of Star Trek….EVER. A riveting moral dilemma that isn’t neatly wrapped up with a pretty bow.

Go watch it.

47. stealing the enterprise - June 2, 2010

i love how DS9 was able to tell individual stories like tng and voy and create story arcs throughout the history of the entire series. that was my biggest problem with BSG. as the series went on each episode wasnt a single entity. you had to watch the following episodes and the season finale usually was trying to set up the next season. plus all of the spinoffs “razor” . i did watch the series finally but was a little disappointed. like gene roddenberry said “people built the pyramids not aliens.” and the whole ghost thing was confusing to me. but it was a good series. one of the best things about DS9 was the ability to bring religion into the show but always maintain the separation between science and religion. it was a great balance

48. T'Cal - June 2, 2010

My son got BSG on DVD last Christmas and watched it in a couple of weeks. On his recommendation, my wife and I watched it together over about three months. What a fantastic show! Excelent writing, direction, and acting. I’m starting to rewatch it now. It’s so interesting knowing what I now know. The ship was spotless, brightly lit, and orderly at first but the change was gradual enough that it was less noticeable. As for the ending, I know there are those who didn’t like it, but we loved it. I wouldn’t change a thing. I look forward to Ron Moore’s next work. I hope he gets reinvolved with Trek. DS9 kicked ass.

49. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - June 2, 2010

All I have to say is look at my name!!!!!!!

I want Ron to be involved in a DS9 made for TV movie!!

50. SerenityActual - June 2, 2010

That mashup was great! DS9 was my favorite ST series. BSG started off great, but somehow lost the story after the New Caprica arc. It felt like the writers were like…what now?

51. boxker - June 2, 2010

DS9 is my second favorite Star Trek after the original. It definitely had one of my favorite moments in all of Star Trek.. ( The scene between Kira and Damar after his family had been killed by the Dominion.) Damar:” What kind of people would do such a thing.” Kira:” Yeah Damar, I wonder who.” That scene was perfect.

BSG, I have mixed feeling about that show. There are things I like and things I didn’t. I love the miniseries much more than overall series. I won’t deny that there was some good writing. But sometimes it was too depressing. I also hated what they did to my favorite character from the original series. Star Buck . However, I do like the Version 2′s Apollo and Commander Adama better.
I wish there had been more action as well. No need for the weekly “this is the time where we get in our ships and fight” stuff, but I would have like to have seen more.
While the original could get campy and outrageous at times. I missed the since of adventure.
Lastly, the remake NEEDED more battles with the Centurions. Those things were absolutely spooky. They provided the perfect mix of fear and f feelings of awe. Like in season 2 when the prisoners were being taking to be shot by a firing squad and the centurions approached from hill guns loaded and ready. Simply ominous, I tell ya.

52. Doug Skywalker - June 2, 2010

the intro was awesome. tho, i wish they would’ve used the Season 1 theme instead, much, much better than the one after.

53. Dr. Image - June 2, 2010

DS9- best Trek ever. BSG? Great until the crap finale.

And as far as the cliche of DS9 “not going anywhere,” uh… weren’t they on the edge of a WORMHOLE?? So give it a rest.
It was TNG that took place mostly on the damn ship.
“Boldly Going” to the holodeck, usually.

54. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - June 2, 2010

I wish RDM realized that you can tell good stories without making them “dark” – that it is possible to have good, powerful and dramatic characters without making them seriously flawed like in the new BSG. He goes too far, to the point where it gets ridiculous and unrealistic. Which is a shame, because he’s an excellent writer.

55. oby - June 2, 2010

Ron Moore needs to be hired to do a DS9 era Trek movie for TV.

56. P Technobabble - June 2, 2010

DS9 came out a year before B5. Straczynski pitched a Star Trek reboot to Paramount in 2004, to remake the original 5 year mission. That reboot was rejected. This is old news, right?

http://bztv.typepad.com/newsviews/files/ST2004Reboot.pdf

57. Lore - June 2, 2010

#6 By season 2 BSG was referred to as “The Best Show on TV” by TV Guide. DS9 was good, but TV was different even a few years earlier. Back then, DS9 was just another Star Trek, heck we had 3 different ST series run during the 90s. Its no wonder DS9 wasn’t considered all that special when it was running. Don’t get me wrong, I have all 7 seasons of DS9 on DVD, but BSG is one of the best shows ever.

58. Lore - June 2, 2010

#54 Maybe Ronnie’s moma didn’t hug him enough as a child.

59. Elvis Shatner - June 2, 2010

Not only that, JMS also pitched B5 to Paramount back in 1989, presenting them with a series bible, character bios, plot synopses, etc, but they ultimately passed on it and then developed DS9 while Straczynski continued searching for a network to host B5.

I can recall the controversy that erupted back when both series were airing and perceived to be competing with each other, but I think that ultimately it was proven that there was plenty of room for both series to work… and they did.

I’m convinced though, that B5′s existence, along with its tight plots, planning and design for the whole story arc, helped to make DS9 a better show than it would have been if Berman (cough cough) hadn’t loosened the reigns a bit for RDM, Ira Behr, Coto, etc, and I’m not convinced that the reboot envisioned by JMS and Bryce Zabel couldn’t have been at least as good as JJ’s reboot… But your mileage may vary… :)

60. Third Remata'Klan - June 2, 2010

DS9′s my favorite Trek.

I’ve never seen Battlestar, but I’m sure I’d love it.

61. NuKirk - June 2, 2010

@ AJ you do realize that the Prophets storyline was a crucial component that made DS9 more mainstream by setting it apart from the other Trek shows, dont you? A lot of DS9′s popularity CAME from that story, and given a lot that happened in the series, if the Prophets storyline been abandoned, DS9 wouldve tanked so badly it wouldve basically been a 90s Star Trek Enterprise…cancelled after Season 4… I guess you wouldve wanted that, and if DS9 had died an early death than its quite likely all of Trek wouldve died PERMANENTLY in the 90s…

62. Thorny - June 2, 2010

Not really surprised, but I’m glad to see Mr. Moore publicly admit it.

The most important difference between DS9 and BSG, I think, is that DS9 got better and better over the years, while BSG got worse and worse. That’s possibly because BSG’s first season set such a high standard, but I think Moore & Co. simply had no idea where they were going with the show, an opinion strongly supported by the “one year later” leap forward, the boring “prison planet” stretch of episodes, and a finale which almost seemed to be that of another show with the same set of characters.

BSG one of the “Best Shows Ever”? Not even close, in my opinion.

63. VZX - June 2, 2010

DS9 = Best TV show ever.

64. SJU - June 2, 2010

I enjoyed DS9 more than BSG. I liked BSG but it never grabbed me like Trek.

65. freddy-f - June 2, 2010

let’s not forget that DS9 was a copy of babylon 5

- once the shows went into the religious crap that’s when I stopped watching both

66. TJ Trek - June 2, 2010

Hey, to those of you how say the Bermen was “dumb” or whatever for not letting Ron do more the gritty battle stuff, look at it this way. Bermen was trying hard to keep Star Trek, Star Trek. Go to much into the war hole so to speak, and you end up with something that is not trek. Besides, have a little respect for the original vision of the show, as put forth by Gene Rodenberry. Sure, not every episode can have a cerebral aligorical storyline, but if that line of thinking is always applied as much as possible, then Star Trek will be Star Trek and not BSG or Star Wars

67. bill hiro - June 2, 2010

Kira had the best character arc of any character in the history of the Star Trek franchise. She was allowed to do the rarest of things in series television – she grew.

68. Losira - June 2, 2010

#32 I have to agree too maney anti-heros! Sure we arn’t perfect. But did the “gritty” characters of bothe ds9 @ bsg have to be mirror versed to be real? Dark imagery is not realistic just as every character that’s too good to be real is for real. A little balance if you please. And to change the philosify of Trek ! Would be killing trek. It would no longer exist. Gene turning in his grave. Both series were good.
I have noticed in recent years many TV shows have become Dark, heavy, far too “downer” maybe its the times we live in. Sorry I like to see a couple good solid moraled heros. Maybe its not real but its a lot more fun! Optimisom for humanity , self improvement are virtues to be upheld and believed in. Humanity is a work in progress

69. Rocket Scientist - June 2, 2010

I liked B5 enough to buy the entire run on DVD, but am not blind to its flaws. Notably the wince-worthy dialogue. DS9 was a bit more subtle and artful in that regard. Every time B5′s characters stopped to explain plot points in excruciating detail, it was not pretty . The two shows certainly influenced each other, but they were also sufficiently different to enjoy on their own merits. It was a good time for sci fi TV viewers!

70. Malcontent - June 2, 2010

I’m not sure why people comment on these things.

I think this… no, you’re wrong because I think this.

We never really grow up do we?

71. RetroWarbird - June 2, 2010

Love Deep Space Nine more than any other Trek (Well, exception being that lofty pedestal TOS sits upon, high up in the clouds. But it’s a whole other thing.)

I think it’s Colm Meaney. Chief O’Brien is the true successor to Scotty, and that’s always the character I liked seeing most. The “Number Four”. The guy not quite in the “Core Trio”, but vital to them staying together. Scotty was the clue that kept Kirk/Spock/Bones together, and O’Brien fits that role with a far bigger cast.

Plus, Garak and Quark. I mean, come on!

72. moauvian waoul - June 2, 2010

Garak. Yes, one of the most intriging characters in any Trek series. Still not sure about him.

73. captain_neill - June 3, 2010

Ron Moore did a lot of great stuff for Trek and is among my fav writers for the show.

DS9 was an amazing show.

Still don’t think the new writers are as good as some of the past writers but that is my opinion.

74. captain_neill - June 3, 2010

I do feel that a lot of DS9 stories were better thought out than the new movie.

75. Jim - June 3, 2010

Great work on the alternate world intro, it fits fine !

DS9 showed the way of most modern Star Trek, but the way wasn’t followed…

76. Damian - June 3, 2010

One of the things I like about the Star Trek universe is you have 5 very different shows (not to mention the 11 movies, animated series, novels, etc). I can pretty much say no two shows are really alike. Deep Space Nine did take a year or so to grow on me, but once the development was done, I ended up loving the show as much as any other. I loved the Dominion as adversaries. All the shows and movies (including Star Trek (2009)) are all linked together in a single overall universe, but they touch on very different aspects of Star Fleet and the Federation.

I find it interesting that people slam Rick Berman for being a stonewaller on storytelling. To be honest, I am not all that interested in the internal politics of running Star Trek. All I know is I loved the shows. Also, if I am correct, Rick Berman only wanted to Dominion War to last a few episodes. Obviously he relented and it lasted over 2 years. I don’t think he was the evil ogre some make him out to be. When Enterprise was floundering, he did have the forsight to bring in Manny Coto, who many comments suggest put Enterprise back on track. Berman wasn’t perfect, but he wasn’t put on this Earth to kill Star Trek either. Let’s give the guy credit making Star Trek outlive its creator.

77. Cap'n - June 3, 2010

I think DS9′s time has come and gone – any kind of reboot will just take away from it. That’s the strength of DS9 in my opinion, how it compares to the other series that were running at the same time. I’m a long time Trekkie, and DS9 is my favorite show (TNG my least).

I would like to see a NEW Star Trek series, obviously done by Moore, that does not launch a prequel (A la Enterprise) or is a reboot of a previous series. I think Star Trek happens to be spinning its wheels in the mud about that – its not going anywhere, it isn’t trying anything new. They need to NOT fall into Voyager’s senseless “Techno-babble saves the day” as a plot resolution device. And yes, a more serialized Star Trek would be a very interesting prospect. I want something new, not as optimistically flashy as previous Treks, and gritty. These things do not require a rehash of an older series.

Personally: I have always wanted them to explore the wealth of material of the 2330s-2340′s on screen, effectively during the run of the Enterprise-C. I have always felt that during this period of time it is established that there were significant changes and major events that would make for a very gripping story. But that violates my plea for a new time period.

78. Damian - June 3, 2010

#77–A series that takes place between 2300 and 2360 would be interesting. There is a big empty hole between those years that a lot was happening but we know very little about. The novels did tell some stories during this period (especially the Lost Era books), but there are still big gaping holes. Everyone seems to be gung ho about the new movie (which I admittedly enjoyed and am looking forward to the sequel) or about what happens years after Star Trek: Nemesis. How about the 60 to 70 years between the original series and The Next Generation. What happened during the missions of the Enterprise B and C? How did the Federation first come into contact with the Cardassians? There seems to be a wealth to work with, even with existing canon.

But don’t hold your breath. CBS and Paramount seem to be only interested in the new alternate universe by JJ Abrams. There is absolutely no interest that I can see by them to present any more stories in the Prime universe. I actually believe the prime universe is dead as far as on screen goes. JJ Abrams movie was so popular, that they will not go back. I believe the novels will be the only stories told in the prime universe from now on.

79. S. John Ross - June 3, 2010

BSG was really promising in its early days, and I do wonder what happened to force them to continually dumb it down, dumb it down, dumb it down … by the end, it was like something a bunch of full-of-themselves college kids would hash together in a coffeehouse … characters became mouthpieces, realism undermined by symbolism, arc-heavy stuff made individual episodes unsatisfying, etc., and I just kept watching out of inertia, and out of affection for the actors (right to the end, BSG had some great performances, and they deserved better scripts to go with them).

Sigh.

Never did watch DS9 (except the Tribble ep; Dax was wicked cute in that TOS uniform). Heard good things.

80. moauvian waoul - June 3, 2010

Or even the years around the Motion Picture; a period we know little if anything about. They did have a five year mission in their blue pajamas.

81. moauvian waoul - June 3, 2010

That should have been a question. There was a five year mission after the first movie, right?

82. me - June 3, 2010

I think these restrictions made DS9 better than BSG.

TNG was very bright.
BSG was very dark.

DS9 was dark, but not too dark, it had the best of both worlds and there it was the best Scifi show ever. (together with Babylon 5)

83. bill hiro - June 3, 2010

That’s the assumption, Moavian Waoul, but its never been explicitly stated.
Now get back in your cage before I shoot you full of Paq M or LQ tranquilizers!

84. JHarris - June 3, 2010

81- It depends on what novel you’re reading. Earlier novels placed the 2nd five years before TMP while later novels place it after.

85. moauvian waoul - June 3, 2010

bill hiro
I am impressed.
Yes sir, very impressed.

86. moauvian waoul - June 3, 2010

84. I see. I guess visually it always seemed to me that the second five year mission took place afterwards, with the change in uniforms, the different look and the fact the ship went from being the latest and greatest to an old vessel used for trainning. But I guess that was my assumption and it could have been after the series. Unless there were three…

87. Damian - June 4, 2010

#86–There was some confusion with earlier novels because the covers did not always match the timeline of the story. I think the general consensus is that the 2nd 5 year mission was after The Motion Picture. The stories that took place before the movie supposedly take place during the original 5 year mission.

There was supposedly over a 10 year gap between The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan. (I think 2370 for TMP to 2385 for TWOK). I’ll have to check Memory Alpha for the exact dates.

88. Thorny - June 4, 2010

The dates can never be reconciled without some given dates being thrown out, but I think Berman & Co retroactively standardized on setting TOS 300 years in the future. So, roughly, Kirk’s five year mission was 2266-71, TMP 2 1/2 years later, or circa 2274, and TWOK circa 2282 (15 years after Space Seed.)

89. moauvian waoul - June 4, 2010

87 Right, that’s what I imagined. But I have heard it explained like 88 with years having to be altered to fit the timeline.

90. Sky Captain vs. D.S.-9 - June 5, 2010

- I still don’t understand that ‘Immortality, Inc’ recurring theme from these two shows….

91. To the Future - June 5, 2010

DS9 was a very good TV show and good Star Trek. BSG was a great TV show with some flaws.

I agree with Max who said, “Deep Space 9 was both the darkest Trek (occupation, war) and the most offbeat and funny (Ferengi, Jake and Nog, Trials & Tribbleations). It was more balanced than the doom n’ gloom show it is often generalized to be.”

However, DS9 to some degree, e.g., by focusing on war for 2+ seasons, turned away from what I see as the heart of Star Trek: portraying the future in an optimistic way and telling entertaining stories that illuminate the internal and external challenges that face humanity. Examining our past mistakes and thinking about how we will avoid future problems is great Trek. Giving people role models that (try) to live by principles, e.g., the Prime Directive and respect for all forms of life, are positive and helpful in getting people to believe that we can and will become better ourselves.

92. Steamblade - June 7, 2010

10.

Yes, if Ron Moore locked them out and then had them kicked off the lot. A fine Trek would be forthcoming.

93. skyjedi - June 11, 2010

Another reason to hate the new galactica, inspired by a non star trek star trek series. Deep Space nine was the best written, possibly but with no spaceship in the beginning of the show and being stuck on the station was boring. The new galactica was politics nonsense like west wing only in space. The old galactica was a fun spin off of star wars.

94. MJ - June 11, 2010

Not to nitpick, but if Ron Moore came up with the concept of BSG while being employed on DS9, then wouldn’t this be grounds for Paramount to sue him on the grounds of intellectual property rights?

95. Phil - July 5, 2010

DS9 is the only TREK series in existence that I have never seen all of the episodes. I have yet to watch it start to finish – the other odd thing is that I own the complete series on DVD and had every intention of watching it when Enterprise was canceled – thinking it would be a great way to keep Trek going for me in the absence of any new Trek on TV. I did start out watching every week when Next Gen ended, but I guess I just did not have the time for Both DS9 and Voyager – plus the long story arcs in DS9 killed it for me – No DVR – missed a few episodes and got lost – somewhere around season 4.

Then BSG started – and at first I was a little skeptical but at this point I did actually own a DVR – the mini-series was OK and I knew they would may it into a series – but after 33 and Water I was pretty much hooked. Now I own all 4 seasons of BSG – and have watched them twice since the show has ended – and have still failed watch the complete DS9 series – the trailer above and this article has me thinking where are those DVDs…

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