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VIDEO: Ralph Winter on Star Trek III, Trek v Wars, Bennett’s Trek exit, Singer’s Trek love, Abrams’ Trek film + more June 28, 2010

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Conventions/Events/Attractions,Feature Films (TMP-NEM),Interview,Star Trek (2009 film),Trek Franchise,TrekMovie.com , trackback

On Saturday night the Simply 70(mm) Star Trek Summer movie series continued at the Royal Theater in West Los Angeles showing Star Trek III with guest associate producer Ralph Winter. Below are highlights and video of my chat with Winter, where he talks about saving money, differentiating Star Trek and Star Wars, how film making has changed, taking over after Harve Bennett’s fight with Paramount, Bryan Singer’s love for Trek and even JJ Abrams.

 

Ralph Winter Star Trek III screening Q&A

Ralph Winter began his career in Hollywood at Paramount as a post-proudction supervisor on Star Trek II and stayed with the franchise until he produced Star Trek VI, then going on to produce a number of other films, including four X-Men movies. For our Q&A we talked about his work on Star Trek III and the rest of the franchise and how the industry has changed, and more. Video of the event is below, here are some highlights

VIDEO (again thanks to bdbdb)

More 70MM Trek coming this summer

The summer series of 70 mm Trek films at the Laemmle Royal Theater (in conjunction with Ledjer Film & Theater services and TrekMovie.com) continues over the next few weeks, here is the latest schedule.

Date Film Guest
July 10 STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME Nichelle Nichols
(Uhura)
July 17 STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER Walter Koenig
(Pavel Chekov)
July 24 STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY George Takei
(Hikaru Sulu)

EVENT DETAILS

What: Simply 70 Star Trek movie series

When: Saturdays at midnight in June and July (see above schedule)

Where: Laemmle’s Royal Theatre is located at 11523 Santa Monica Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025, (310) 478-3836 

Tickets: $10 for general admission. You can buy tickets at the box office or online at www.laemmle.com.

 

Comments

1. Hugh Hoyland - June 28, 2010

I had read about Bennett wanting to re-boot the series instead of making TUC, interesting stuff.

2. ChristopherPike - June 28, 2010

It wasn’t really a reboot. The script involved McCoy reminiscing about how he, Kirk and Spock met at the Academy. That whole let’s do Top Gun in space feel many at the time perhaps had an irrational fear of. It basically ended with a cameo from the old crew going off to their next voyage. So pretty much conceived as a one-off to take Star Trek back to its roots for the 25th Anniversary.

3. bdbdb - June 28, 2010

This week and last week were both great Q&As, I wanted to hear more of what the guests had to say!

4. Anthony Pascale - June 28, 2010

i actually have some bonus qa with winter done right after where he talks about ST IV vs ST V….post that tomorrow

5. Christopher Pike - June 28, 2010

1. After some digging, here’s all about the unmade Star Trek VI: The Academy Years picture…

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/22789

6. Captain McColl - June 28, 2010

Just read about The Academy Years, would have been incredible in JJ´s hands…bit too late now though :(

7. Hugh Hoyland - June 28, 2010

Yes and as he said Bennett was very serious about it, “either let me do it, or I walk” and he walked for sure. Would have been interesting either way.

8. andrew - June 28, 2010

I don’t understand why Nimoy and Shatner aren’t in this story. The way I read about the Academy movie, they were the bookend narrators, according to Shatner’s Star Trek Movie Memories if memory serves.

9. philpot - June 28, 2010

pity they hadnt have done the Academy movie for Trek V instead of Final Frontier

then still done TUC 2 years later

10. Kent Butabi - June 28, 2010

Wish they’d done both. Love TFF and glad we have it.

11. Sebastian - June 28, 2010

I’ve always found STIII to be an unfairly maligned movie. To me, it’s a perfect segue from STII and has even more of the character tone from TOS. I recently purchased the 2-disc soundtrack online (through the link in an article from this site), and it was wonderful! Brought the whole experience of the movie back to me. I remember eagerly ditching a day of high school to see it on opening day (along with my sister and our friends).
It was very worth playing hooky for! ; )

And I agree with #9 above; I’d wished they’d done the Academy movie, too. Star Trek 2009 (with it’s fascinating glimpses of ‘academy life’) is proof-of-concept that Harve Bennett knew what he was talking about. If Paramount had been particularly ambitious back then, they could have produced the movies back-to-back (ala “Back to the Future” and “Matrix”). However, I can’t complain too much, as the eventual Star Trek VI was one of my favorite TOS movies as well.

I feel for Harve Bennett (a very talented producer), but I also think Winter did one hell of a good job, too!

12. Magic_Al - June 28, 2010

No questions about Kirstie Alley’s non-return? According to the Memory Alpha wiki, citing Nimoy, Alley’s agent demanded more money than DeForest Kelley and so Saavik was recast. I doubt Alley really wanted to choose Blind Date over The Search for Spock, so it seems like an unfortunate miscalculation by her agent if that’s all there is to the story. Robin Curtis played the role of a noble Vulcan very well but Kirstie Alley’s interpretation was edgier and more interesting. Also, what about Kirstie Alley as Saavik in Star Trek VI instead of Valeris? By then she was a star on Cheers and really could expect a big paycheck, but surely Paramount could have made something happen since it owned both shows.

13. Hugh Hoyland - June 28, 2010

Well to me there are quite a few “what could have beens” as far as Star Trek movies go (“Star Trek: The God Thing”, “Star Trek: Planet of Titans” and “Star Trek: The Academy Years” ect…), It worked out the way it did. And if the Academy years was actually made back then, we might not have Star Trek 09 to enjoy now and the upcoming sequel as well. So IMO it worked out for the best in the end.

14. Robert H. - June 28, 2010

Knowing how much of a good job he did on the first 2 X-Men movies, and the excellent job he did on Superman Returns, I wonder how Star Trek might go if Bryan Singer and J.J. Abrams collaborated.

15. Vultan - June 28, 2010

Well, since no one has said anything about it yet, I think Christopher Lloyd’s performance as Kruge deserves a mention. Of course Kruge was no Khan, but the sheer force of Lloyd’s scenery-chewing renegade Klingon was and still is something worth seeing.

16. Vultan - June 28, 2010

Also, let’s not forget the rest of the Klingons: Chocolate Maltz, Torg, Sexy Valkriss, and the wonderfully sadistic gunner who destroyed the Grissom–Mr. “Say-the-Wrong-Thing” Pricklepants (quite possibly the best “vaporization” of a character in science fiction).

17. Zebonka - June 28, 2010

The best Klingons ever were in ST3. Ever since then they’ve been something of an embarrassment. It started with their ambassador in Voyage Home, I think. I don’t know what they were thinking. Then Klaa – again, I have no idea what they were going for. Christopher Plummer was fantastic though. You can’t really go wrong with that guy.

18. Vultan - June 28, 2010

Agreed about Plummer (and Klaa). Though I think the character of Worf was far from an embarrassment. The cloned Kahless on the other hand…

19. Sheldon Coper - June 28, 2010

It has always ticked me off a bit that Star Trek III was lumped in with the whole “odd pictures are crap” curse. ST III had some of the best Trek moments in any Trek feature.

20. Dunsel Report - June 28, 2010

Sheldon, I agree with you completely. While ST3 has a story problem or two, it took big chances, has some terrific character moments and poignance that you won’t find in “First Contact” or even VI. You can’t beat the theft of the Enterprise or that moment when Kirk is coming to terms with blowing up the ship (whose successor ships were so casually junked in the TNG flicks!)

21. Harry Ballz - June 28, 2010

There are too many reasons why ST:III is one of the best stories ever told about Trek! I will elaborate soon……

22. Mike Thompson UK - June 29, 2010

Great read thanks…

So so pleased Star Trek 6 TUC was made.

23. CmdrR - June 29, 2010

Search for Spock. Did it have a colon? I can’t remember. But, I do remember:

Space dock
Vulcan nymphettes
Lt. Howard Hunter with the ultimate toy for his EATERS
Chekov and Sulu dressed like early 19th century rich kids
Uhura getting one good scene then being sidelined

I like this movie as being a middle-in-the-making. They made this work as part of a trilogy that happened, not one that’s so stretched out that the middle movie feels utterly unnecessary (I’m looking at YOU, Pirates movies.)

I agree that “tentpole” mentality is the death of what makes a movie special. Too many films are a collection of so-called special effects and explosions and preposterous plot points thunk up to fill a trailer, not to tell a story. I finally have learned to skip these movies unless I get some good word of mouth.

One nit to pick: I know it saved money, but ST:III’s use of ‘sets’ for planets really, really drags the film down. Too many of those parts of the Genesis Planet are just Earth-type environments and could easily have been shot on location and looked 1000 times better.

OK, two nits. Christopher Lloyd reset the mold for Klingon characters… and I’m not a fan. This is the birth of one-dimensional killing-machine Klingons. The template appears waaaaay too often. Klingons become space Nazis with as little differentiation as most movies give Nazis. I like my baddies to have brains, interesting quirks, and real motives. Instead, this type of Klingon is just permanently pissed. Michael Dorn (slowly) moves away from this in TNG. Christopher Plummer and a few of the other actors find a different route. But, as for Lloyd’s Kruge, I… had…had… enough…of….him… by the first reel.

Anyway… ST:III has great character moments for the big three, a good (albeit brief) space battle, and the loss of the E, which was and is a bigger emotional upset than the death of Spock in TWOK, because I KNEW Spock was coming back — almost everyone in TOS died and came back.

Anyway… great movie. Thanks!!!!

24. Mike Thompson UK - June 29, 2010

But the Enterprise came back NCC1701A the adventure is only just beginning…..

25. THX-1138 - June 29, 2010

Now Harry. Elaborate now. Quit teasing.

26. startrekker - June 29, 2010

glad to hear other Trek people enjoyed the last movie

27. captain_neill - June 29, 2010

As interesting as Harve Bennett’s Academy Film idea was it would have made no sense as the crew were never all at the Academy at the same time. And if they were it would have seem contrived to put them all there.

It be like if they did a TNG academy movie and somehow Picard and Riker were at the Academy together despite there being a 30 year age difference between the two characters.

I just never bought they were all at the academy together given their differences in age. It always made more sense that the majority of them met when they were assigned to the Enterprise. Starfleet officers have careers that build up.

Not promoted to their ranks as soon as they are out of the academy.

28. captain_neill - June 29, 2010

With JJ’s film I thought Oh no you cant have them all at the Academy at the same time, yet because the new movie is out of canon with the rest of Trek it actually doesn’t matter in the new film.

But I believe many officers had past assignments before Enterprise, now its straight to the Enterprise. It felt to me that the other Treks did respect the chain of command better.

26

Its a good film, I do like the new film despite my gripes with some changes. I just treat it as a separate entity now. Just I feel a lot of past Trek is still better over the new movie.

29. Lancelot Narayan - June 29, 2010

OK, Anthony. Look me up on Google. I know what I’m talking about here.

You, and only you HAVE to conduct a definitive set of interviews with key players from the world of TREK. The Ralph Winter interview, however welcome and fascinating, just left me wanting MORE, MORE, MORE.

You not only posses the wide ranging knowledge required to conduct these interviews, you have a respected reputation in the fan community and the people at Paramount know you.

These interviews need to be AT LEAST an hour in length.

There are so many people you can talk to fro across all series, but in particular I would like to see Harve Bennett and a huge great interview with Ralph Winter. Also production designers, composers (PLEASE TALK TO James Horner) and of course Nick Meyer. I know a lot of ground has been covered, especially with his book, but there have to be further question only you could ask.

Shoot them all HD and stick them on the site. It will be the ultimate archive of Star Trek interviews and will comprise a terrific archive of material.

Go on, off you go.

30. philpot - June 29, 2010

11 – yeah that wouldve been something to do TUC and the Academy movie back to back (taking note of the BTTF sequels which had just been done) and released the Academy movie May 91 and TUC Decemeber 91

Bennent couldve directed ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ (maybe even dropped ‘star trek’ from the title? – although then maybe people wouldve thought it was a Police Adademy movie set in space!) with cameos from the original cast at the end and Meyer couldve still done ‘TUC’ (still called Trek VI although technically itd be Trek VII – unless theyd have chosen to drop the numerals and just called it Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country)

pity Trek V wasnt a Voyage Home style success as that mightve happened.

Young Kirk couldve been Sean Patrick Flanery (Young Indiana Jones – he always reminded me of a young Shatner). Spock – John Cusak or David Ducovney. Bones – Gary Sinese, Uhura – Halle Berry, Pike – Christopher Reeve, Sarek – Jeremy Irons or Alan Rickman.

31. TonyD - June 29, 2010

#11, #19 – As I recall, STIII got very positive reviews when it was first released; if it had been as bad a movie as some people say, Leonard Nimoy’s career as a director would have died right then and there. It later got tagged as a “bad” movie in some circles to justify that idiotic notion of the odd-numbered curse.

Also, if you really want to dispel the odd-numbered thing, don’t forget that The Cage could technically qualify as the first Star Trek movie, further throwing the whole odd-even thing out of whack.

32. CAPT KRUNCH - June 29, 2010

#14..do you really feel he did an exellent job on Superman Returns..it was a total rip of the Superman the Movie….only saving grace was Kevin Spacey as LL… of course he didn’t write the story…
but I do agree that he did a pretty good job on the XMen franchise…
maybe he would be a good choice to direct the next TREK!

I agree about TSFS was maligned….it’s the centerpiece between 2 really good movies..TWOK and TVH were te best TREK has done until TREK09…and i still think TWOK is the best ever done!….why not just get Leonard to direct…he said he was retiring from acting..did he say directing as well?

33. Horatio - June 29, 2010

Search for Spock rocked. It had wonderful themes of friendship and sacrifice. Great moments for all of the cast (Even Nichelle Nichols – though it was a short scene she owned it). It truly embodied the whole essence of what TOS was.

Detractors would point out the obvious stage sets for the Genesis planet or complain about Kirstie Alley not returning as Saavik. It may have even been a little anti climactic since you always knew that eventually Spock would return – but the cost of that return – the ship and crew of the Grissom, Kirks career, David Marcus, the Enterprise – was some of the best drama Trek has seen.

FWIW, back in the late 80’s I was in the studio audience for a taping of Cheers. During some down time the comic working the audience trying to keep us from getting bored – was able to coax Kirstie Alley to come forward and take some questons. A lady asked her why she didn’t do Star Trek III and she said it was because of scheduling. Whatever.

34. captain_neill - June 29, 2010

In my opinion Star Trek III is one of the best of the odd numbered Star Trek films. Its a great film and showcases the bond with the whole crew.

35. denny cranium - June 29, 2010

Shatner gave a great performance in Trek III
Hi reaction to the death of his son is outstanding “You Klingon bastard!”
When he turns his back and McCoy bends over to comfort him- He pushed him away, he had to save his ship.
One of the most perfect Kirk moments on film.

36. philpot - June 29, 2010

i think Kirstie Ally did ‘Runaway’ instead of ST III?

they were out the same year so…

agree with those that say Trek III is one of the best – imo its the 2nd best movie (best to worst imo – II, III, XI, VIII, VI, IV, I, VII, V, X, IX)

and yes i remember it did get good reviews at the time (not as glowing as TWOK but still good) – later on it just got lumped in with the incorrect odd = bad/even = good rule in the mainstream press which emerged after about Trek V or VI and which gathered strengh with the TNG films (which is total BS now anyway as Nemesis was even and ST09 was odd)

37. Cousin Itt - June 29, 2010

Kirk (watching the Enterprise burn in the atmosphere): My God, Bones, what have I done?

McCoy: You did what you always do – turn death into a fighting chance to live.

Arguably the best – but definitely my favorite scene in all of Trek.

38. Lore - June 29, 2010

#37 Shatner’s line delivery was typical Ham.

Deforrest Kelly however, thats another story. The line was perfect and he delivered it with class.

39. CmdrR - June 29, 2010

24 – Yes, the E-A came back. But at the time that ST:III came out we’d seen most of the major characters die and return in TOS, plus TWOK show’s Spock’s torped-asket on the Genesis Planet, so we knew he was coming back. At that point, we’d never seen the E get destroyed. The trailer made me sweat it. The actual on-screen destruction was heart-breaking. IMGO. (in my geeky opinion)

-Kirstie hated doing Trek, so it’s not surprising she jumped ship.

-John LaRoquette has never had much nice to say about doing ST:III either.

40. John from Cincinnati - June 29, 2010

No, it didn’t work out for the best. Had Harve Bennett been allowed to do his academy movie, it would have resided in the TOS canon, and we would have seen Carol Marcus, Gary Mitchell, and Finnegan. Possibly even some more info on Kirk’s experience with the Tarsus IV massacre.

41. Damian - June 29, 2010

Star Trek III was a great movie and I never bought into the whole odd number curse thing. I loved The Motion Picture and Star Trek (2009) was an obvious hit. The Final Frontier was one of the weaker films, and Insurrection was not a huge success with fans, yet neither was Nemesis. So the whole odd/even thing does not hold much water for me. (For the record, I loved all 11 films, though to varying degrees).

Lloyd played a great Klingon. I remember reading something at the time (maybe the novel) that he was considered cruel by even Klingon standards. Lloyd is a great actor. Only he could play Doc in Back the the Future and Kruge in Star Trek III and be equally convincing. I liked the way the Klingons evolved over the years. Their portrayal in TNG on gave them greater depth. They were not just killing machines, but a warrior culture who valued honor above all. Somehow, for me, that makes sense for Klingons.

I was glad they did not pursue an Academy movie for the original cast. I was always under the impression that the characters had lives before the Enterprise and the ages just did not fit with being at the Academy together. I always believed that Kirk and Spock did not meet until Kirk took command of the Enterprise. The back story (noted at times in the novels) had Kirk and McCoy knowing each other in the past and had Scotty as an engineer on the Enterprise when Pike was in command. I know it is not canon, but I see no reason to dispute it.

42. Vultan - June 29, 2010

I’ve never found Kruge to be such a cruel “Space Nazi” as someone commented above. He was actually quite cunning and intelligent if you really think about it. I mean, he immediately sees through Kirk’s bluff that the battle-scarred Enterprise is capable of finishing off the BoP. “I trust my instincts.” Later, he’s the only one of the Klingons to recognize the self-destruct countdown. “Get out of there!!!” And all through the movie he wanted as many prisoners as possible to act as negotiating chips in his quest for Genesis. Of course his being a renegade warlord with a hatred for the Federation does firmly place him in the snarling baddy camp, but he wasn’t a total genocidal maniac (see Klaa, Nero, etc).

43. Vultan - June 29, 2010

38

If you’re looking for typical Hamm, go see Toy Story 3. ;)
Another great one from Pixar btw.

44. I am not Herbert - June 29, 2010

you really can’t go wrong w/ PIXAR

45. Doug Skywalker - June 29, 2010

i wonder if Orci and Kurtzman used the ADADEMY YEARS script as a base for ST09? would maek a lot of sense, as there are LOTS of parallels between the two.

the only things i would’ve changed about ACADEMY years are Geroge Kirk, Capt. Thorpe, and the end. i would’ve had George Kirk as first officer aboard an NX-#### craft with the dilithium warp drive, and replace Thorpe with Captain April, who is then replaced by Coomander Pike. then, at the very end, have Kirk depart for assignment on the Farragut and Spock to the Enterprise with Captain Pike.

46. TJ Trek - June 29, 2010

as far as the original series movies go, I would say that it’s not a curse of odd numbers more then it’s a “any movie with Nicholas Myer not involved” curse. I mean look at it Star Trek II, IV, and VI all had script and or directorial impute from Myer in a huge way.

Then again, when you look at the Odd number Next Gen movies, it’s like “hmm, my theory kinda breaks down.”

Oh well.

47. philpot - June 29, 2010

maybe they could adapt the Academy script as a graphic novel? – the closest theres been so far is the 1991 DC annual #2 (which im pretty sure was done to tie in with the lost Academy movie – like an alternate Trek VI adaptation)

it could serve as the ‘official’ Origin tale for the ‘Prime’ universe…

I know theres been various tellings of the prime origin in comics and novels but nothing ‘official’ – like Countdown is the ‘official’ prequel to ST09 (or as official as one can get for something thats not deemed canon as its non screen).

im pretty sure Harve Bennett wouldnt mind fans seeing what he had in mind for Trek VI…

48. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - June 29, 2010

The SFX in ST:III puts CGI to shame.
The Spacedock approach, the stealing of the Enterprise…. destruction of the Enterprise… Beautiful.
Add to that a great soundtrack and you’ve got not oy a GREAT movie, but GREAT classic Star Trek.

In fact, I’m gonna go watch it now!!!!!

49. StarFuryG7 - June 29, 2010

How many people attended this screening?

50. Shatner_Fan_Prime - June 29, 2010

I’ve always admired Harve Bennett as the unsung hero of Star Trek continuity. TMP, as much as I love it, bore little resemblance to TOS. Once Harve was hired, he watched every episode of TOS before digging in, and it showed.

He brought back Khan in what turned out to be a genius decision. He wrote III, which brought back Sarek, showed us Vulcan rituals in a manner consistent with what we saw in Amok Time, recreated the Enterprise destruct sequence from TOS, and even gave a tribble a cameo. In IV, he wrote the 23rd century scenes which brought back Amanda and, in a nice nod to Journey to Babel, resolved Spock and Sarek’s decades old debate over Spock’s choice of career. Good for ol’ Harve, although I’ve also read that he could be rough, and clashed with some of the actors.

Can anyone verfiy whether an early idea for III was to have Harry Mudd be the one McCoy met at the bar? If so, I wonder why that didn’t work out.

51. P Technobabble - June 29, 2010

I thought Christopher Loyd did a decent job with the Kruge part, but, personally, I’d have preferred if the role had been played much darker, and slightly insane… sort of like what Heath Ledger did with the Joker role. In fact, Loyd played Kruge more the way Jack Nicholson played the Joker… not in the sense of being comical, but more comic-book-like, whereas Ledger’s portrayal was full of underlying disturbance.
I don’t recall Kirstie Alley hating doing TWOK. In fact, she said when she was a kid she wanted to be Spock, and used to sleep with her pointed ears on. TWOK was her first break in Hollywood. She didn’t return because she wanted too much money, and was afraid of being type-cast, according to legend. Perhaps in hindsight, she wishes she had stayed with it.
STIII is still one of my favorite Trek films, mostly because of the character moments and stealing the Enterprise. And De Kelley really shined. My least favorite parts of the film were the Grissom, David Marcus/Saavik scenes. The Grissom could have been a cool ship without the pink chairs and Capt. Esteban; David Marcus was a rather lame character; Robin Curtis was lacking something as Saavik.
There were some massive plot-holes in this baby, but, as I’ve said before, if I focused all of my attention on them I wouldn’t be able to enjoy the film.
All in all, I think this film was the most like an episode of TOS, and I think that is because of what Leonard Nimoy brought to the production. For his first feature directing gig, he did a tremendous job.

52. Christopher Valin - June 29, 2010

@45 – I was thinking the same thing.

boborci, are you reading? Did you guys have a peek at that script before working on ST09?

53. Christopher Valin - June 29, 2010

Okay, after reading this old article, I guess that’s probably something that won’t be discussed.

http://trekmovie.com/2007/02/26/bennett-may-contest-star-trek-xi-script/

54. Harry Ballz - June 29, 2010

Everyone raves about TWOK, and it IS the best movie, but think about what TSFS had going for it……..in TWOK, Kirk and crew have to fight off an enemy that is attacking them. In TSFS, Kirk and crew are back on Earth, but Kirk ELECTS to go back out into space and risk everything for his friends.

TWOK was about fighting for self-preservation.
TSFS was about fighting for honor and friendship.

Which one actually comes off as having the NOBLER theme?

55. David P - June 29, 2010

Star Trek 3 is a great movie and contains lots of great character stuff with the original crew….underrated between 2 and 4 which get all the attention

56. Scruffy the Janitor/Vampire Slayer - June 29, 2010

Is Bob.O aware of the lost “Academy Years” script???

it looks awfully familiar…

57. Jefferies Tuber - June 29, 2010

Love Trek III: “I have had enough… of youuuuuuuuuu!” Love it. The ‘painterly’ scene of the Enterprise’s contrail against the sunrise/set after it self destructs is almost as sad as Spock’s fate in TWOK.

37. Cousin Itt – June 29, 2010: Word, I couldn’t agree more about Bone’s “fighting chance to live” line. One of McCoy’s peak moments and one of the great moments in all of TREK.

If it weren’t for the cheapo sets they used for Genesis, this film would really hold up.

I checked the script and contrary to popular recollection, Kirk does not actually say, “I love my dead gay son.” That was HEATHERS.

The Klingon music is bloody epic, and virtually all Klingons after this film are sequels to Kruge’s characterization. For better and worse. Shame we never saw another Klingon dog.

III and VI are the least appreciated, most redeemable of the franchise.

58. Victor Hugo - June 29, 2010

“Stealing the Enterprise” is one of my favourite Trek soundtracks, it´s so inspiring, and it´s violins are sweet to the ears, its James Horner at its best,

I also love another of James Horner´s soundtracks, the movie “ROCKETEER” in which he uses the violins in the same way he did on STIII, specially in the ending theme.

Soundtrack lovers will recognize the similarities on the ending theme.

59. kmart - June 30, 2010

ROCKETEER seems to bite equally from THE RIGHT STUFF and THE NATURAL, but that is in keeping with Horner’s ‘don’t just steal from yourself, steal from everybody’ approach. His stealing the Ent stuff is all over his work in that Gene Hackman ‘rescue my son in vietnam’ pic from the mid-80s, too.

SFS invalidates most of the good notions in TWOK, and even worse, it just replays a number of the same scenes with different results (this time during the ship sneak attack, Ent fires first; this time, Kirk says they have to be brought up to the ship to get genesis instead of saying he has to come down here to get genesis in TWOK.)

And the staging of David’s death is pathetic; Nimoy should have refused to shoot it as written. Kirk should have at least been able to see what happened on the viewer to justify Shat’s acting response.

And the level of filmmaking craftsmanship … gahh! Watch the ‘sneak attack scene from KHAN and you’ll see some moving camera, snappy angles, and lots of inserts (okay, a couple of really BAD insert shots, but others are fine) … watch SFS’s equivalent when E shoots first and you see very little other than a sustained master shot of the guys on the bridge and the only ‘excitement’ is that the red alert eventually comes on. Nimoy has to depend on Horner’s score to make it seem exciting, because his cutting and visuals are just bare bones (try watching these scenes with and w/o sound — the TWOK version still works w/o music, but the Nimoy one will have you nodding off.)

And none of this gets to the idiocy of beaming down to a disintegrating planet instead of to the enemy ship … fighting chance to live, indeed!

SFS squanders all the goodwill it earns with Kirk’s hard choices and Starfleet’s X-Files-like paranoia early on with all this moron crap that follows. Easily the biggest disappointment of the TOS series (and like Nimoy’s TVH, the one I least rewatch, at least past the first 45min or so.)

60. BLFSisko - June 30, 2010

@ 14:
sorry, but Superman Returns was one of the worst films I´ve ever seen. Please keep Singer out of Star Trek.

61. Red Dead Ryan - June 30, 2010

#60

Too late. He made a cameo in “Star Trek Nemesis”. :-)

62. Chang's Gang - June 30, 2010

Man o Man….can’t these guys get another microphone? The handing back and forth is terrible.

63. startrekker - July 1, 2010

Star Trek III is the best out of all the Trek movies along with Star Trek II and Star Trek 09

64. captain_neill - July 2, 2010

Star Trek III is certainly a film that deserves a good spot.
It captures the sense of ‘family’ of the original crew. The scene where Kirk informs the crew that they don’t have to go further as only he and McCoy need to do it and the crew choose to go with Kirk, that was a great scene.

The model work of the space dock and the destruction of the Enterprise hold up. Its amazing that a smaller budget film can still be better than a larger budget film.

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Superman Returns problem was it felt more like it was being too referenctial to Superman, but I did like the idea of it being a loose sequel. But continuity it did not totally work.

65. Harry Ballz - July 2, 2010

Brandon Routh was great in Superman Returns. Jettison everybody else for the next movie, but keep him! Have him fight Brainiac!

66. Red Dead Ryan - July 3, 2010

“Superman Returns” is one of those movies I liked at first, but gradually disliked more and more after each successive viewing. Brandon Routh was good though.

67. captain_neill - July 3, 2010

Superman Returns had a great Superman actor who evoked Christopher Reeve, who will always be Superman to me.

Lois Lane was totally miscast, too young.

Batman did work better by being a full reboot from the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher series. Even though my fav Batman is still Michael Keaton.

68. Red Dead Ryan - July 3, 2010

#67

I liked the Tim Burton movies as well as the Christopher Nolan movies.
I have to admit, when I was a teen I liked the Joel Schumacher “films” but now I know better.

69. captain_neill - July 4, 2010

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I liked Schumacher’s two when I was younger as well.

However Batman Forever still has some great moments. Batman and Robin I get urge to watch when I feel depressed.

Batman Returns is still a fav of mine.

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