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	<title>Comments on: EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Star Trek Makeup Designer Burman Talks Oscar, Gorns, and Sequel Klingons Hopes</title>
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		<title>By: Antipodean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antipodean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked &quot;Affliction&quot;/&quot;Divergence&quot;, and I thought the explanation was worthwhile.

I reckon they could&#039;ve gotten away with the whole &quot;The makeup has evolved and that&#039;s it&quot; explanation if they hadn&#039;t drawn attention to the fact the Klingons were ridgeless in &quot;Trials and Tribble-ations&quot;. That episode established that Klingons of the 23rd century really DID look different in-universe, so it needed to be explained. 

As &quot;Enterprise&quot; establishes that not all the Klingons were turned ridgeless but only some, I reckon the Klingons in the new movie should be a mix of ridged and ridgeless. The ridged ones should be only at TOS-movie level (not the full 24th-century &#039;turtle head&quot;), and the ridgeless ones should look kinda like this: http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Joel-Harlow-21.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked &#8220;Affliction&#8221;/&#8221;Divergence&#8221;, and I thought the explanation was worthwhile.</p>
<p>I reckon they could&#8217;ve gotten away with the whole &#8220;The makeup has evolved and that&#8217;s it&#8221; explanation if they hadn&#8217;t drawn attention to the fact the Klingons were ridgeless in &#8220;Trials and Tribble-ations&#8221;. That episode established that Klingons of the 23rd century really DID look different in-universe, so it needed to be explained. </p>
<p>As &#8220;Enterprise&#8221; establishes that not all the Klingons were turned ridgeless but only some, I reckon the Klingons in the new movie should be a mix of ridged and ridgeless. The ridged ones should be only at TOS-movie level (not the full 24th-century &#8216;turtle head&#8221;), and the ridgeless ones should look kinda like this: <a href="http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Joel-Harlow-21.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Joel-Harlow-21.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: captain_neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>captain_neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are some of my comments being deleted even if they are additional and different?

Something wrong with me stating that Michael Westmore is still my fav make up artist?</description>
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<p>Something wrong with me stating that Michael Westmore is still my fav make up artist?</p>
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		<title>By: captain_neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>captain_neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7

But if this universe shares same history as the prime universe then the Klingons must have smooth heads. Enterprise has put that into canon. But it could be that some have ridges and some are smooth heads like in recent comics.</description>
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<p>But if this universe shares same history as the prime universe then the Klingons must have smooth heads. Enterprise has put that into canon. But it could be that some have ridges and some are smooth heads like in recent comics.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Dead Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Dead Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18

LOL!

#19

Agreed! That&#039;s kind of why I think we will see a variety of Klingons in the sequel. Some smooth-headed, some with lots of ridges, some with only a few ridges, etc.</description>
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<p>LOL!</p>
<p>#19</p>
<p>Agreed! That&#8217;s kind of why I think we will see a variety of Klingons in the sequel. Some smooth-headed, some with lots of ridges, some with only a few ridges, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: The Original Spock's Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Original Spock's Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 05:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burman is smart about diversity within a species. Look at dogs: Short or long snouts, come in all sizes, colors, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burman is smart about diversity within a species. Look at dogs: Short or long snouts, come in all sizes, colors, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironhyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ironhyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 05:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. You can&#039;t start changing Klingons too much. I have enough trouble explaining to non-trekkers why Romulans aren&#039;t &quot;Spock&#039;s people&quot;... my last saving grace last time it happened was pointing out the ridges on the forehead that TNG added. Take those away... and that conversation never would have resolved itself.

1: &quot;These are Spock?&quot;
2: &quot;No, Spock is a guy. He&#039;s Vulcan. He is from a race that&#039;s very logical. These are aliens called Romulans. They are similar to Vulcans, have Vulcan ears, like Spock&#039;s ears, but when they were building their culture, they went for emotion instead of logic. They&#039;re much more fierce and angry. Spock&#039;s people, the Vulcans, are all about logic.&quot;
1: &quot;So that isn&#039;t Spock?&quot;
2: &quot;No. Spock is from a race called Vulcans. These aren&#039;t Vulcans. These guys are similar--&quot;
1: &quot;Yes, they have Spock&#039;s ears. That one! That one.. isn&#039;t he Spock? He definitely has Spock&#039;s ears. I recognize them.&quot;
2: &quot;Okay... but..&quot;
1: &quot;They really look like Vulcans I think. I think they are.&quot;
2: &quot;No. See the ridges on the forehead?? These guys are a little different. These guys have ridges. Spock didn&#039;t.&quot;
1: &quot;Oh yeah. Okay.&quot;

Whew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. You can&#8217;t start changing Klingons too much. I have enough trouble explaining to non-trekkers why Romulans aren&#8217;t &#8220;Spock&#8217;s people&#8221;&#8230; my last saving grace last time it happened was pointing out the ridges on the forehead that TNG added. Take those away&#8230; and that conversation never would have resolved itself.</p>
<p>1: &#8220;These are Spock?&#8221;<br />
2: &#8220;No, Spock is a guy. He&#8217;s Vulcan. He is from a race that&#8217;s very logical. These are aliens called Romulans. They are similar to Vulcans, have Vulcan ears, like Spock&#8217;s ears, but when they were building their culture, they went for emotion instead of logic. They&#8217;re much more fierce and angry. Spock&#8217;s people, the Vulcans, are all about logic.&#8221;<br />
1: &#8220;So that isn&#8217;t Spock?&#8221;<br />
2: &#8220;No. Spock is from a race called Vulcans. These aren&#8217;t Vulcans. These guys are similar&#8211;&#8221;<br />
1: &#8220;Yes, they have Spock&#8217;s ears. That one! That one.. isn&#8217;t he Spock? He definitely has Spock&#8217;s ears. I recognize them.&#8221;<br />
2: &#8220;Okay&#8230; but..&#8221;<br />
1: &#8220;They really look like Vulcans I think. I think they are.&#8221;<br />
2: &#8220;No. See the ridges on the forehead?? These guys are a little different. These guys have ridges. Spock didn&#8217;t.&#8221;<br />
1: &#8220;Oh yeah. Okay.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whew!</p>
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		<title>By: Star Trek 12 : Klingon Rising</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star Trek 12 : Klingon Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say stay true to Roddenberrys version which IMO are TOS movie versions. And please no long haired barbarians crap. These guys are advanced space travelers with a different agenda than the Federation not cavemen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say stay true to Roddenberrys version which IMO are TOS movie versions. And please no long haired barbarians crap. These guys are advanced space travelers with a different agenda than the Federation not cavemen!</p>
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		<title>By: The Gorn Identity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gorn Identity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with those who want to see the Gorn in the STAR TREK sequel.  My people deserve to be spotlighted!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with those who want to see the Gorn in the STAR TREK sequel.  My people deserve to be spotlighted!!</p>
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		<title>By: ProteusXeos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProteusXeos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for the creative interpretation of Klingons, but i really hope they stick to the base look and feel. I really liked what I saw in the deleted scenes, but there has to be ridges -- it&#039;s canon! 

The change in the Romulans from TOS to TNG is a good example of creative tinkering while still maintaining the feel of the race. I wouldn&#039;t want to see Enterprise&#039;s storyline about the ridges voided out for no good reason.

Breaking the canon too much completely nulls out the point the first film&#039;s time travel plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for the creative interpretation of Klingons, but i really hope they stick to the base look and feel. I really liked what I saw in the deleted scenes, but there has to be ridges &#8212; it&#8217;s canon! </p>
<p>The change in the Romulans from TOS to TNG is a good example of creative tinkering while still maintaining the feel of the race. I wouldn&#8217;t want to see Enterprise&#8217;s storyline about the ridges voided out for no good reason.</p>
<p>Breaking the canon too much completely nulls out the point the first film&#8217;s time travel plot.</p>
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		<title>By: I am not Herbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>I am not Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIDGES!!!  ...like in the opening scene of TMP: best Klingons EVER!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIDGES!!!  &#8230;like in the opening scene of TMP: best Klingons EVER!!</p>
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