Should say “explaining”. I’m not trying to introduce a new word into the English vocabulary ;)

Good point ;)

“And it has been established that Starfleet doctors can walk around carrying other people’s marbles. But I suppose that’s only a way for Khan to return in a DS9 production many years from now?”

Theoretically, but Khan died at the end of TWOK and nobody else (alive) was with him at the time.

“What I find intriguing about this Khan is he would be just a dangerous as the Khan that awoke on The Botany Bay but with none of the baggage of the film version.”

Yep; a couple of us on this website have made similar observations in our own suggestions. He’s going to be very dangerous and power-hungry regardless of who defrosts him or exactly when he’s defrosted.

“I’ve been pondering if there’s an interesting way to explain the news blackout in our time on Khan?

I’ve been toying with the notion that what if the exact nature of the genetic procedures used to produce him and the others was so repugnant to human sensibilities the world over that TPTB determined they had to keep a lid on it or risk Luddite backlash that would set the planet back a thousand years.

Khan’s campaigns are real but the physical scars on the planet are being explained as natural disasters, global warming, or what not.”

The (so far non-canon) Eugenics Wars novels cover all that in detail. The author has clearly given those issues a lot of thought so I’m sure you’d find the books interesting reading too, at least for one version explanating Khan’s possible back-story.

Thanks for bringing me up to speed on the Bashir augmentation origin.

It seems clear from what little is gradually returning to my memory what was done to him was considered illegal. So who’s to say what genetic material was the source of his enhancements.?

And it has been established that Starfleet doctors can walk around carrying other people’s marbles. But I suppose that’s only a way for Khan to return in a DS9 production many years from now? What I find intriguing about this Khan is he would be just a dangerous as the Khan that awoke on The Botany Bay but with none of the baggage of the film version.

On a related topic but more relevant to the current state of film affairs: I’ve been pondering if there’s an interesting way to explain the news blackout in our time on Khan?

I’ve been toying with the notion that what if the exact nature of the genetic procedures used to produce him and the others was so repugnant to human sensibilities the world over that TPTB determined they had to keep a lid on it or risk Luddite backlash that would set the planet back a thousand years.

Khan’s campaigns are real but the physical scars on the planet are being explained as natural disasters, global warming, or what not.

The most likely base of operations for him would be Sri Lanka. Might be a nice twist to have it that Clarke didn’t actually die of natural causes but because he stood up to Khan.

The only trouble I see with this angle is that it makes Khan’s story lean more on his Frankenstein aspects than it did before?

That’s definitely another option. I actually enjoy both The Motion Picture and TWOK equally — both are very epic in their own way — even though the two movies are obviously very different beasts. The Voyage Home is of course another film which was a huge success and very entertaining despite not actually having a villain in any conventional sense.

“You may see your wish realized yet. :)”

Indeed. Time will tell :)

“But after writing all that, if Khan does pop up, it would be interesting to have him cross paths with Bashir’s incubator. For that matter, we don’t really know how long the infusion process for Bashir’s enhancements took? It could have involved freezing the embryo for long periods of time for all we know.”

Interesting idea, but the events behind Bashir’s enhancements were covered in relative detail in an episode of DS9. He was born in the 24th century with various physical & neurological developmental issues — not enough to be severely handicapped, but sufficient for him to be markedly disadvantaged compared to his peers, and with the potential to cause lifelong problems for him — so during his childhood, Bashir’s parents illegally procured genetic treatment to try to correct the problems. He ended up being augmented considerably above the average for humans in most aspects (strength, reflexes, hand-eye coordination, memory skills, intellect, cognitive aptitude etc), but fortunately he didn’t also gain the arrogance and megalomania of Khan and his friends. Bashir himself was young enough at the time to be able to start a new life afresh, but old enough to still be able to remember these traumatic & confusing events by the time of DS9.

However, what wasn’t discussed was exactly who performed the necessary genetic augmentation on behalf of Bashir’s parents, so I guess there’s an opening there if any writers wanted to connect it to Khan. To some extent Star Trek: Enterprise also covered this angle — not with Bashir, but with some other augments involving the legacy of the scientific research which had originally resulted in Khan, and also involving some gleefully manic acting by Brent Spiner as the scientist performing these experiments in Archer’s era.

You mean more unlikely than another Prime universe character would be able to create a 75 years younger exact duplicate of his universe, drag him and his Nemesis to it while experiencing time dilation effects that only effect him leaving his Nemesis 25 years to chronoform history to taste? That kind of unlikely?

I was just toying with the notion that Bashir’s G.E. might in someway be Augment derived and if the two would meet that Khan might somehow recognize Bashir as one of his own.

From the point of view of DS9, several mechanisms exist for such a confrontation to occur.

But waol is right, any hint that the current film narrative should explore this is a jest, a kid, a gentle ribbing.

But after writing all that, if Khan does pop up, it would be interesting to have him cross paths with Bashir’s incubator. For that matter, we don’t really know how long the infusion process for Bashir’s enhancements took? It could have involved freezing the embryo for long periods of time for all we know.

I think I better stop typing before I start suggesting that Khan of the 1990s didn’t just put all his chips on the sleeper ship for the win and start seeing Bashir as the mechanism for Khan’s rebooted reemergence.

@ #294

No problem about the info. And no problem about Khan either….Admit it – even though you’re fighting the urge, a part of you is increasingly curious about him making an appearance in the new movies. Just a little bit ;)

Dmduncan

@ #295

Very interesting suggestion about Mark Strong. You’re right, he could well be superb as Khan. He almost stole the show in “Robin Hood”, he has a suitably charismatic speaking manner too, and the guy really does look Punjabi (facial features, not just skin tone). Quite possibly a brilliant choice for a non-Indian actor.

I’ve already mentioned the following on a couple of other threads, but since there may be people here who haven’t read those, a guy called Hrithik Roshan would be the perfect choice if they do decide to cast an Indian actor. He’s already an extremely successful superstar in the Indian film industry who’s won numerous awards for both a “charismatic villain” role and a “regal ruler of millions” role respectively. Apparently he’s very keen to star in Hollywood too. You can see some photos here: http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=hrithik+roshan+dhoom+2&aq=f&aqi=g6&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=2ab7e725b4987cbb . I think the first photo in particular (on the left) shows why he’d be perfect as Khan in terms of his appearance, although anyone familiar with his career to date and particularly his acting in those two awardwinning roles would understand why he’d be a fantastic choice for those reasons too.

Anyway, as you said, the rest of us don’t actually have any control over the decision. Ultimately, all we can do is put the information out there, and hopefully it’ll be picked up & considered by the right people involved.

You can also see a short 6-minute BBC documentary about Gatka and Uptej Singh’s own activities here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRK5dSuBN8I . It’s a fantastic summary of the history involved, the ethos behind the martial art, and current practitioners’ views….and things become jawdroppingly impressive from the 5-minute mark onwards, when the sword-twirling Uptej gives another amazing performance of his skills whilst blindfolded.

As the BBC clip above shows, Uptej runs formal classes at the Indian equivalent of ‘dojos’ at a couple of locations in London. More information on his organisation’s website: http://www.internationalgatka.org/bfs/BFS_Class_Location_Times.htm . It includes contact details for Uptej, so if anyone reading this wants to suggest to him that he should run classes in America too, I guess this is the best way to get in touch with him.

At the bottom of the screen, there are also some inspirational quotes from the historical Sikh religious/military leader from the late 17th century who was primarily responsible for militarising the Sikh population. The quotes give a flavour of the spirit behind all this — it’s quite stirring stuff ;)

As I said earlier, some of these fighting techniques and weapons were described in the Eugenics Wars novels, specifically in relation to Khan, but it’s obviously even more impressive actually seeing all this in real life.