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Reminder: See Star Trek Generations w/ Dennis McCarthy Tonight in West LA July 31, 2010

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Tonight the Summer STAR TREK Simply Spectacular Saturdays at the Royal Theater in West LA gets extended to begin the TNG films, starting with Star Trek: Generations on the big screen. And the guest for tonight is composer Dennis McCarthy.

 

Kick off the TNG movies with Trek’s most prolific composer

Tonight Laemmle Theaters (in conjunction with Ledjer Film & Theater services and TrekMovie.com) extends the Summer series of Star Trek Saturday midnight movies with the first feature from the Next Generation crew. See Captain Picard and Captain Kirk come face to face on the big screen tonight in Star Trek: Generations at the Royal Theatre in West L.A.


Star Trek Generations trailer

As we do with each film, the screening is proceeded with a Q&A session and tonight I will be talking with the composer, Dennis McCarthy who did the score for Generations, along with dozens of episodes of Star Trek between 1987 and 2005, more than any composer. McCarthy’s music work garnered him nine Emmy nominations and nine ASCAP awards, including one for Generations.


See Star Trek Generations in on the big screen with special guest Dennis McCarthy at the Royal Theater in West LA tonight Saturday July 31st

 

Star Trek Movie series continues with TNG films and Star Trek 2009

Due to the popular demand, Laemmle Theaters and Ledjer Film & Theater services continued the series of Star Trek films to include the four Next Generation films and the 2009 Star Trek movie. Guests are currently in the process of being arranged.

$10 general admission. $37.50 for a five-film ticket package.

Here is the current schedule.

Date Film Guest
July 31 STAR TREK GENERATIONS Dennis McCarthy
(Composer)
August 14 STAR TREK FIRST CONTACT Brannon Braga
(co-writer)
August 21 STAR TREK INSURRECTION Guest TBA
August 28 STAR TREK NEMESIS Will Wheaton
(Wesley Crusher on TNG)
September 4 STAR TREK (2009) Guest TBA

EVENT DETAILS

What: Star Trek Movie Series

When: Saturdays at midnight in July-September (see above schedule)

Where: Laemmle’s Royal Theatre is located at 11523 Santa Monica Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025, (310) 478-3836 

Tickets: $10 for general admission. You can buy tickets at the box office or online at www.laemmle.com.

Comments

1. Losira - July 31, 2010

I have always enjoyed the works of Dennis McCarthy. He always knew. The right music for the story’s set setting and characters story. My word is genius

2. VoR - July 31, 2010

Wow, that Generations trailer is awful.

3. Buzz Cagney - July 31, 2010

The one thing that I can honestly say that I like about Generations was the music!
I did sit down with the boy and he watched this for the first time just a couple of weeks back. He’s nine and has watched a broad spread of Trek over the years but even he just couldn’t get his head around the death of Kirk. In fact he thought that Picard was the more elderly of the Captains.
Its not a terrible movie, but its such a shame the torch wasn’t passed with more panache than this.

4. Lore - July 31, 2010

TBA for Insurrection. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to come in and defend that movie during a fan Q& A.

5. Phaser Guy - July 31, 2010

I LIKE Generations. People slam it, but why? It has everything, Kirk, Picard, the Enterprise, even Guinan is in it. Also, Data has a strong story. Something he didn’t get in either Insurrection or Nemesis. I think the movie suffers from switching from Kirk’s time to Picard’s time way to fast, though. The movie should have started in Picard’s time, and then when Kirk met Picard, have flashbacks to the Enterprise B.

6. captain_neill - July 31, 2010

4

I would defend Insurrection. I actually loved Insurrection.

7. OLLEY OLLEY OLLEY - July 31, 2010

I thought that on balance Generations was pretty good, the story was a good arc and the opening scene and stirring EPIC music was a beautiful way to launch the Enterprise B
the only real problem for me was Kirks death, it was meaningless and the plot device that Malcolm McDowell couldn’t just fly a ship into the energy ribbon since that is exactly what happened to the Lakull.

As a side question, why was the Enterprise A decommissioned after only being in Star Trek V & VI?

8. Pointing out the Obvious - July 31, 2010

@7 And we all know what happened to the Lakull: It was destroyed, most likely before anyone could cross into the Nexus.

He couldn’t fly into the nexus with a ship because the chances of being destroyed before crossing over were too great.

9. Lore - July 31, 2010

#6 I can sympathize. I saw Nemesis in the theatre 4 times. I thought it was great, but I also hadn’t read the plotline or script which was posted online. I went in completely fresh and loved it. I went in fresh for Insurrectiion and left feeling indifferent.

10. Pro-Khan-Sel - July 31, 2010

love the music, best soundtrack after TWOK. The movie gets a little weird when the enterprise gets to veridian 3. a klingon bird of prey takes down a galaxy class starship? The captain volunteers for a prisoner exchange? Soren’s probe reaches the sun in 6 seconds? One of the weirdest crashes when the saucer section crash lands on verdian 3. I remember watching a making of generations tv special where the showed a front end loader with the mock up of the saucer section on the front. In the film it looks like that is exacly what is happening. and the captain(s) make bad choices to where and when they will re-enter reality.

I still love the film, Soren was a very strong villan, It would have been cool if soren would have been a regular villian in TNG the series.

and of course Shatner (at the time) was very happy with how his character died.

11. Dalek - July 31, 2010

#8 Olley is correct. Even tho the ship was destroyed they ended up in the nexus, but the Enterprise beamed them out as they were crossing into it, hence the echo left of Guinan.

The Deflector was half destroyed with Kirk behind it, and he ended up in the nexus also.

There’s no evidence that proves that anyone in a destroyed ship doesn’t end up in the nexus. In fact the evidence proved otherwise.

It was a poorly constructed concept. Had Rick Berman been willing to listen to Leonard Nimoy and make changes, it could have been a much better movie and Nimoy may have been open to directing it. But hey, he only made the most successful Trek movie of all time at that point!

12. captain_neill - July 31, 2010

7

Did you happen to see how it was going to be originally?

They went with the better ending and Kirk died a hero and not shot in the back.

13. Dalek - July 31, 2010

#10 Not true, Shatner was not happy. I refer to you the book “Movie Memories” which has diaries of his time on the set. Sadly the book ends at the time just before they reshot the ending. Shatner was so dissatisfied he quickly pitched an idea for Kirk’s return, which was rejected by Berman, and became one of the best-selling Trek novels of all time.

14. captain_neill - July 31, 2010

I hope the newbies will see the TNG movies and lovve them as much as the other ones.

First Contact is one of the best movies ever. It was a fav of mine when I was 13 and is still up there with Khan as a great Trek movie.

15. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - July 31, 2010

Channel 4HD tonight @ 11pm in UK.

16. Pro-Khan-Sel - July 31, 2010

@ 13. I have the generations special from E! television during the movies publicity tour. Shatner was quite pleased with the film. Perhaps after the film’s run through theaters. Shatner then had some regrets. And no, I didn’t make it up. :)

17. captain_neill - July 31, 2010

I still think the Saucer crash is stil fantastic

I loved how the Enterprise D bridge looked in Generations.

I guess it has its flaws but the idea of this film was very cool. I loved the setting of Kirk’s house for the meeting between Kirk and Picard, it seemed more whimiscal and unique setting for this historic meeting.

18. captain_neill - July 31, 2010

By the way has anyone caught the original ending of Generations?

19. Phaser Guy - July 31, 2010

Oh, the saucer crash was fantastic on the big screen. I remember just being amazed by it. I love the shot where Riker looks up at the ceiling, and sunlight is coming in.

20. Pro-Khan-Sel - July 31, 2010

About the trailer, One would assume that Kirk is actually aboard the Enterprise-D(which I was lead to believe), and that cliff eidelman did the music. Of course these aren’t gripes and that is just clever editing and Generations film score hadn’t been completed yet.

21. captain_neill - July 31, 2010

19

A great moment.

In regards to Kirk’s death I think some fans would be unhappy no matter what way Kirk was killed.

In the final movie he did die a hero and not shot in the back.

22. SirMartman - July 31, 2010

I said it once,,and I’ll say it again,,,

One “quick” way to save Shatners Kirk would be to film a quick 5 min part with Leonard Nimoys Spock leaving the “new Trek” and zipping back to the Kirk, Picard and Dr Tolian Soran, fist fight, and have Leonard Nimoys Spock save the day.

Shatners Kirk is saved,prime Spock is back with prime Kirk,Dr Tolian Soran is arrested,(and may return one day),and Picard rides off in the sunset.

There would be afew ways to save Shatners Kirk, but I see this as the best easy option.

you would only need 4 cast, and the same couple of props set up.

Gees I wonder what Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman think of that,,

:oD

23. Mikey1091 - July 31, 2010

I have a question: Why don’t showing like there ever happen in, say, NY?!?

24. Mikey1091 - July 31, 2010

Gr…sorry mispelled a few things, there, but its at leas understandable, LOL!

25. Dalek - July 31, 2010

#16 Shatner is a professional. No actor would ever bad mouth a movie they were contractually obliged to promote. He was over in the UK calling it a wonderful movie. All part of the marketing game. His Movie Memories are his personal journal, no pressure to hold back honesty. He hated filming Kirk’s death scene. He didn’t want to say goodbye to the character!

26. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

Could Kirk still exist after the events of Generations? Someone, perhaps, should ask Mr. McCarthy, even though he may not have written the movie.

If Guinan was still in the Nexus despite the fact that she was also in the Prime Timeline, then Kirk is still in the Nexus.

Someone wrote in the Wikipedia that the what Picard encountered in the Nexus was only a “ghost.” Others have said that it was only an “echo,” whatever that means. And perhaps one could say that Guinan was in the Nexus only because she was El-Aurian. However, Soran was El-Aurian, too, and no part of him remained in the Nexus, as far as we knew, so it might not be merely because of her species that she was able to stay.

Moreover, we know that Kirk encountered his old pet dog and also interacted with his horse, neither of which existed in the Prime Timeline. (At least the dog had died.)

Presumably, if Picard were to go back to the Nexus, everyone he knew, including Kirk, as well as Guinan, would still be there in some form. (As would his fantasy Victorian family.)

It’s true that Guinan told him, that none of what he enountered was “real.” But then, how do you explain Kirk and his role at Veridian III?

27. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

One more thing: There might be a version of Soran in the Nexus, but it might be a version that did not aspire to leave it.

The Nexus might be a realm in which parts of spirits can remain and be sustained in the world they build. Or, the Nexus might be a portal to another universe, and the people there either might or might not leave.

Had Picard not encountered Kirk, Kirk might have stayed in the Nexus forever. In fact, had Guinan not talked to Picard, Picard might have decided to stay, as well. His Victorian family was simply perfect. (Although, he did see in the glint of that ornament that someone was wrong.)

Picard never had a real family, and the closest relative he had to a son was a nephew who had just been killed. For him, paradise was to have a family of his own.

(Although why a Victorian family? Wasn’t his family originally French? But that’s a side issue.)

Generations is a very good movie. I liked it when I saw it in the theaters, and I still like it — in fact, I like it more and more as the years go on… for some reason.

28. Thorny - July 31, 2010

I used to disparage Mr. McCarthy for his bland and uninspiring scores until I read that such lifeless music was insisted upon by Mr. Berman, who evidently didn’t want music to overwhelm his precious dialogue. While I no longer blame Mr. McCarthy, his scores are by far the worst of the Trek franchise.

29. Phaser Guy - July 31, 2010

I don’t see how there could be a Soran in the Nexus, because When Picard and Kirk leave it, they arrive at a point of time where Soran never entered the Nexus. Guinan may still be in there because her Nexus entering was a different time.

30. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

That’s a good point, 29. I’d forgotten that. So, the fact that there is no “echo” or “ghost” of Soran makes sense.

Still, while it is true that one logical way that neither Picard nor Kirk remain (in any form) in the Nexus is that it might be that Guinan’s El-Aurian heritage allowed her to leave an “echo” or “ghost” there while neither Picard nor Kirk are El-Aurian, since this is not stated onscreen, it would remain a supposition.

Also, it remains true that if anyone who knew Kirk were to go to the Nexus, he or she might interact with Kirk at least as a figure in his or her fantasy. That, admittedly, is a separate issue.

31. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

^^ I mean, “one logical reason.”

32. Dalek - July 31, 2010

#29 and #30 The Nexus exists outside of space/time. No external event would effect what happened inside of it. If Soran entered at any point, he would always be in there. Think of it like the temporal shielding in Year Of Hell. No matter how many times the timeline changed, Voyager was protected because the shielding took her out of space/time. The fact that Picard and Kirk went back in time and stopped him from re-entering only affects that localised point in time and that version of Soran, and not anything inside the nexus. So in effect, Soran both got what he wanted, and didn’t.

33. crypter crypter crypter - July 31, 2010

If you can get past an ancient Bird-of-Prey destroying the Federation’s flagship, this isn’t too bad…

Dennis’s Nexus theme is amazing, and moving…loved the concept of the Nexus also.! I enjoyed Kirk’s last stand, but Shat was a bit over-the-top with his performance here! It was as if James T. Kirk was portraying William Shatner in this movie!

I like it anyway! Loved it in ’94 more! Saw it 5 times in the theater (twice matinee, thrice dollar theater)! Sad this was James Doohan’s final portrayal of Scotty!!!

Some of the FX could use a 21st century CGI upgrade! Like the Enterprise’s crash sequence!

I break this one out about once a year! Not great, but not Nemesis bad!

34. Darkthunder - July 31, 2010

@29: Both Guinan and Soran (from the Enterprise-B) were inside the Nexus, before being “pulled” away from it, by the Enterprise-B’s transporters. If the act of “pulling” them out of the Nexus in this fashion left an “echo” of Guinan in the Nexus, should the same not ring true for Soran as well? First words uttered by Soran in the Enterprise-B sickbay was “No, I have to go back, please let me go back…”

That suggests that as I stated above, he too was in the Nexus, or “partially” there since they were still able to lock onto him (and 46 of his shipmates), while the other 113 (47 survivors out of 150), either were killed when the ship was destroyed, or had crossed over into the Nexus and stayed there.

Kirk on the other hand, was pulled into the Nexus, much like the “Veridian III” version of Soran, and the Veridian III version of Picard. The fact that Kirk and Picard both left the Nexus, would likely be that there would be NO echo of them behind. Although, since the Nexus version of Guinan said that “nothing Picard had seen was real”, who exactly did Picard talk to on the mountaintop near Kirks cabin? And what/who was it that followed Picard when he/they left the Nexus?

35. Phaser Guy - July 31, 2010

34 After Kirk and Picard come out of the Nexus to face Soran, there’s a point in the novel where Soran realizes he is out of the Nexus, and is angry at Picard. So, Soran was in the Nexus twice during the movie, but due to Picard and Kirk’s time travel, he got pulled out again.

I wonder why Soran never tried beaming himself into the Nexus instead of destroying a star?

36. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

Good points. Soran’s echo should be in the Nexus. I cannot recall exactly happened to Soran at Veridian III.

37. Viking - July 31, 2010

I think Generations took a lot of undue knocks. No, it wasn’t perfect; but it was one helluva thankless-but-necessary undertaking to try to bridge the franchise over the the TNG cast to begin with. It paralleled ST:TMP in a lot of ways.

38. CmdrR - July 31, 2010

The whole Nexus thing is a mess in terms of storytelling, and the movie has some highs and lows. Overall, though, it’s a watchable mess and better than some. The horseback scenes are worth the price of admission, as are the gorgeous shots of the D bridge the way it should always have been. Big demerits to the extra who does the arm gesture one second before Brent. (Was Data supposed to be imitating that guy?) Kudos to Michael Dorn for working with a bloody knee. But big demerits to whoever chose to have Gates get wet and then NOT have her do a sexy pull-up onto the ship a la Sophia Loren. Love Malcolm McDowell, but Soren is yet another cookie-cutter villain with a nutso plan that must be stopped. Yawn. BIG demerits for killing off so many of the minor characters, especially Picard’s nephew… all for what? To punch up a sluggish script? Meh!
Anyway — notice I didn’t blast the film for killing Kirk. That discussion has been had and had to a rocky grave. It was about money. They got some bucks, and pissed off a lot of fans. Done. And… Meh!

39. Vultan - July 31, 2010

I thought Generations was an okay movie. Soren was one of the better villains from the film series, and the “death” of the Enterprise-D was handled well. Not so much in the way of Kirk’s death. I mean, he should’ve died on the bridge of a starship, not a… bridge.

To those who think it’s a horrible movie I suggest listening to the DVD commentary with Ron Moore and Brannon Braga. They pretty much rip their own script to pieces, and it comes dangerously close to being a Mystery Science Theather free-for-all! Anyway, it’s very informative in how the creative process works (or doesn’t work) in filmmaking.

40. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

Generations is very good movie in my book, despite the mind-bending nature of the whole Nexus thing, whose explanation, if I ever understood it, I’ve obviously forgotten. Whose echo or substance is where, and why, is an account I need to think through.

I will classify my listing of Trek movies in two ways: Sheer enjoyability, and artistic merit. For now, my lists stand as follows:

Enjoyability:

STII:TWOK and ST2009 (tie)
ST:FC and STVI:TUC (tie)
ST:TMP
ST:G
STIV:TVH
STIII:TSFS
ST:INS
STV:TFF
ST:NEM

Artistic Merit (Top 4 Only):

ST:TMP
ST2009
STVI:TUC
ST:FC

41. Mike Thomspon UK - July 31, 2010

From Star Trek III

spock: “Why did you come back for me”

Kirk: “You would have done the same for me!”

Well Spock couldn’t bacause it was not written, this is a major flaw in the movie for me….

Its no wonder Nimoy refused.

42. Mike Thomspon UK - July 31, 2010

6# I wouldn’t………..

43. Neevok - July 31, 2010

Best trailer of ST7 in HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_AioR_vGKI

44. Phaser Guy - July 31, 2010

I still think the movie should have opened with Picard on the Bridge of the Enterprise in the 24th Centruy. All they had to do was mimic TWOK, and put up a card that said “In the 24th Century”.

45. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

Well, in my mind, Kirk is still alive, somehow.

I know that Shatner wrote a novel or two in which Kirk’s death in GEN was not permanent. I can’t remember the details, and it may have had something to do with the Nexus echo thing, but frankly we could still Bring Back Kirk even in the Prime Timeline, now that the TNG crew has said its last goodbyes (at least for a long while).

For any future production, Prime Kirk should not be played by Shatner in any medium (TV or movie), since Shatner is too old for the part (unless it’s a “future-Kirk” part). A different actor could still credibly play Prime Kirk. Hey, they switched Darrins on Bewitched, didn’t they?

46. Shunnabunich - July 31, 2010

Maybe it’s just because I grew up listening to it, but I didn’t think the music of TNG was all THAT horrible. Following from that, I really love the Generations score, partly because (being from the same composer) it feels like a grown-up, silver-screen version of that music. In fact, you can even hear certain motifs carried over from the show.

I always thought the saucer crash was absolutely badass — if the D is gonna be killed off, what a way for her to go! (Actually, I remembered reading some prescient speculation about that scene from Mike Okuda and Rick Sternbach in 1991’s TNG Technical Manual, in which they described possible saucer planetfall procedures. Man, that book brings back memories…) To this day, McCarthy’s “Out of Control / The Crash” cue still ties my stomach in a knot because of its strong association with the scene. I’ve heard complaints about it being too obviously a model shoot, but…well, maybe I have to watch it again, but I remember it being really good, and an example of great model-work trumping well-intentioned CGI.

The movie, overall, I have mixed feelings about, of course. Stylistically, it did a lot of things to TNG that I liked (the more creative lighting being one of them), and it hit some really good emotional chords at times, but, of course, they gave Kirk such a lame death, and there are plot holes the size of Veridian III. Not to mention the recycled Bird of Prey explosion shot.

By the way, what’s the problem with the Bird of Prey taking out the Enterprise? You guys do remember that they had the shield frequency, right? As unevenly matched as the two ships might’ve been otherwise, the E was essentially subjected to direct, unshielded torpedo hits to the engineering section; that’s bound to break something. (Plot hole case-in-point: in any given TV episode, they would’ve rotated their shield frequency the second they realized they’d been hit, and the Klingon torpedoes woulda done squat.)

47. Vultan - July 31, 2010

#46

My only guess about why they didn’t rotate the shields would be that maybe the first shots disabled that function? Beats me. But I didn’t have a problem with a BoP destroying the Enterprise either. Of course, it would’ve been more fitting for a Romulan warbird or a Borg cube to deliver the fatal shots, as they seemed to be the primary baddies in the series, but a BoP worked just fine for me. At least we got to see the Duras sisters finally get what they’d been asking for… for a long time.

48. Planet Pandro - July 31, 2010

ah, what a soft spot I have for Dennis McCarthy’s Trek music. It certainly helped define the mood and atmosphere of TNG for me. I was thrilled that he was able to do the score for Generations…I remember buying the soundtrack and just about wearing it out ( I was still buying cassettes at that point). I still put the nexus there (christmas w/ the picards) on my christmas songs playlist, hehehe.

Generations, while flawed, still holds alot of very fond memories for me. No matter how the film holds up, I still enjoy watching it because it really takes me back to that time, and the feelings I have surrounding the release of that movie. I’ll defend it to the end (sigh…”lifeforms” included….)

49. Red Dead Ryan - July 31, 2010

While the scenes featuring the fights with Kirk, Picard and Soran and Kirk’s death were subpar in a lot of ways, Dennis McCarthy’s music was really good. His piece during Kirk’s “Oh, my…” was especially haunting and poignant.

50. Hat Rick - July 31, 2010

Generations is one of those movies that, the more you watch it, the more you like it. :-)

I thought that the music was wonderful. It’s just beautiful. It’s got that spacey feeling. Kind of Pink-Floyd-meets-Enya. Just what the doctor ordered.

51. Buzz Cagney - July 31, 2010

An order of Pink Floyd and Enya please- we have a comatose patient here! ( with thanks to Vultan for that analogy!)

Kirk’s death. Kirk’s death. Well, as other posters have said above, this has been debated, ad nauseum, since the day it happened. All i will say is it afected me deeply. It didn’t keep me awake, crying, at night. But without any doubt it did put me on quite a serious downer for a good many days after.
As for Bill coming back now, sorry, I love him to bits but I can’t see how he could do it. He just doesn’t look like Kirk to me any more. He looks great, without a doubt, but he doesn’t look like Kirk.
Beside’s, we have Kirk back now, in Chris Pine. To my eternal shame I got rather heated on this site when the film was in production, about how the writers of ’09 just didn’t have the imagination to bring Shatner’s Kirk into the movie.
It became clear to me, once I had seen the movie, that they saw no reason to. They were right and I was wrong.

And that saucer crashing- Garry Anderson would have been proud of it. You couldn’t see the strings at all.

52. Shunnabunich - July 31, 2010

#47: Heh, enemy fire certainly has been known to disable whichever computer function screenwriters needed gone before. :)

#48: This. Exactly.

53. Phaser Guy - August 1, 2010

It’s funny how they have the shield ration number thing printed on a monitor where everyone can see it, yet, when they need to self destruct a ship, they have to go through three people.

54. William Kirk - August 1, 2010

For me, Generations is a bad movie. McCarthy wrote great music for the TV shows, but I find his score for GEN as poor.

55. chrisfawkes.com - August 1, 2010

Good music but the movie was sucked butt.

Kirk had a complete personality change by the time he meets Picard.

I would not bother watching Generations ever again but i would pay money to hear Leonard Nimoy’s ideas for a substantial rewrite of the story.

56. The First Son of Krypton - August 1, 2010

I’ve said it before and I say it again. I actually loved ALL the Next Films, there isn’t a bad next gen film… The problem with them is that the majority of the films other then First Contact is that the films are tailored and made for Trek fans.

But agreed, Kirks death much like Datas in Nemesis, should of been handled much better

57. captain_neill - August 1, 2010

I think Generations is a good movie. Flawed but really good.

58. Hat Rick - August 1, 2010

51, I’m all out of Pink-Floyd-meets-Enya; will Enya-meets-Pink-Floyd suffice? ;-)

59. KJ - August 1, 2010

People say Star Trek 5 is the worst Trek. I say Star Trek Generations is the worst. Absolutely dreadful. Terrible Plot and this trailer reminds me why I cam out of the theater wanting my $$ back

60. Thorny - August 1, 2010

I don’t hate “Generations” as much as some fans, but its definitely in the bottom half of Trek movies as far as quality is concerned. It’s really a shame that Paramount insisted on that Thanksgiving 1994 release date, that just wasn’t enough time to do the movie right, since all of the cast and crew were still filming TNG episodes at a time long after most major movies would already have been in post-production. Rick Berman really should have taken one for the team and stood up to Paramount demanding a Summer 1995 release date instead, but of course that’s easy for me to say. The extra time would have allowed for a proper re-write of both the beginning and ending scenes, and time to redress the Enterprise-D sets for the big screen instead of forcing the use of darkened sets to hide the years or wear and tear. Generations is a movie whose basic story isn’t bad, but whose execution left an awful lot to be desired.

61. Buzz Cagney - August 1, 2010

#58 ok, Rick, but just a couple of minutes please. Any more than that may prove fatal!

62. Jeyl - August 1, 2010

A terrible movie that has a great score.

63. John - August 1, 2010

Why is Paramount doing all these screenings? Just curious!

I love Generations!

64. Jeyl - August 1, 2010

And what great timing since SFDebris posted his review of Star Trek: Generations. Favorite comment?

“Picard is prepared to head back to the mountain top to take on a man who kicked his a&# so fast that it was little more than a delay on his trip across a bridge. it Perhaps if he’d brought Guinan along, that’d help….. Answering the question for everyone who wondered why the Enterprise was kept far away from the fighting during the Dominion War.”

Makes a lot of sense considering that since Riker is the best pilot in the fleet who can conduct a manual docking procedure that even makes the precision based Data nervous, he tells Troi to pilot the ship and after one short phaser blast to a several years old, defective Bird of Prey, she turns the Enterprise around and tries to flee the Klingons like a bi%&#.

Their lack of involvement in the Dominion War makes perfect sense now.

65. trekprincess - August 1, 2010

I like Generations sure it is flawed but it still is a good movie

66. Phaser Guy - August 1, 2010

But the Enterprise D wasn’t even around during the Dominon War. The Enterprise D was not a warship according to the TNG show. It was more of a science vessel.

67. Jeyl - August 1, 2010

@66. He was talking about the Enterprise E, the “most advanced ship in the fleet” that every crew member said was ready for a full Borg assault. In fact, now that I think about it, maybe it wasn’t because the Admiral thought that having Picard join the fight would bring an ‘unstable element to a critical situation’, but more so the fact that the way their previous flag ship, the Enterprise D was gunned down by a single bird of prey because the best strategy they could come up with was shoot once and RUN AWAY.

68. Vultan - August 1, 2010

Was it ever established in DS9 that the Enterprise didn’t take part in the Dominion War? It’s been awhile since I saw the show, but I seem to remember thousands of ships being involved in those battles. Just because we never saw the E onscreen right alongside the Defiant charging into battle doesn’t mean it wasn’t there somewhere in the mess (though a cameo would’ve certainly been nice to see, perhaps a “make it so” over the com channels). Hey, a guy can dream…

69. Stephen Hornak - August 1, 2010

I’d love to see these movies but why are they starting these at 11:55pm?

70. Phaser Guy - August 1, 2010

68. In Insurrection, Picard d says that the Enterprise E was used to put out brush fires and settle diplomatic disputes during the war.

71. Vultan - August 1, 2010

#70

Ah, I must’ve missed that line. Then again, I’ve successfully purged most of Insurrection from my memory. But, hey, it really doesn’t matter to me whether or not Picard & crew were in the war. That was the Sisko’s show. And for good reason! The man knew how to get the job done (see “In the Pale Moonlight”). Let the Frenchman do the talking.

72. OLLEY OLLEY OLLEY - August 1, 2010

@ 11. Dalek
Was Nimoy approached to write and direct for ST7?

73. moauvian waoul - August 1, 2010

7 Olley Olley Olley “As a side question, why was the Enterprise A decommissioned after only being in Star Trek V & VI?”

I’m sure someone here remembers or knows better than me but I once read that the “A” was not a new vessel at the time. Roddenberry once responded to the question by explaining that there is a seldom used naval tradition of renaming a vessel after a legendary ship that has been tragically lost. To further illustrate this he stated there wasn’t the time to build a new Enterprise from scratch in the time span allowed an it was most likely the Yorktown we saw disabled by the probe in the beginning of STIV. I know that doesn’t really make it canon bit there it is. Hope that helps.

74. Ironhyde - August 1, 2010

#46 – I agree with a lot of what you said. Major disagreement on the lighting, though. I hated Generation’s adjustment to the bright, positive future look of TNG. Hated it with a vengence :P

And for the record btw, I’d also like to defend Insurrection. When I walked out of that baby, I had it up with TWOK. I felt like I was back with the crew I loved, enjoying an interesting adventure that engaged quirks of sci-fi and morality. Forget plot holes and inconsistencies. That movie was FUN.

75. Hat Rick - August 1, 2010

I’m glad some here have expressed their support for INS and NEM. Really, every Trek movie has something to recommend it, and I love all of them. It’s all just a matter of degree as far as which ones are better than the others.

76. Mike Thompson UK - August 1, 2010

My vote for the TNG movies….

1, First Contact a great TNG movie. Should have set the standard for the next two movies.
2, Generations…just to see Scotty, Chekov and Kirk. That said a golden missed opportunity.
3, Insurrection…. well Below par.
4, Nemesis….. a big disappointment

Just watch Generations tonight, great music, suited to movie wonderfully. Kirk’s death still brings a tear to the eye.

77. Brian - August 1, 2010

I got to go and it’s always neat to see the older movies again on the big screen. I had forgotten how awesome the 1701-D looked on the big screen. I remember kind of liking the movie back when it came out, but it hasn’t aged well for me. The music is still the best part and Dennis was really cool. Actually had some really funny stories. I was embarrassed for Dennis though, because only about 12 people showed up for this screening.

78. Hat Rick - August 2, 2010

I’m surprised that only 12 or so people showed up!

I wonder if it’s due to the “midnight screening” nature of the program. Frankly, many of us who love Prime Trek are in our middle age and it is not as easy to go out and stay out until well past midnight. That’s a young person’s game. Clubbing and the hours associated therewith is a game for the young. Or if we do go out, it’s usually to a dinner and a show and home by 10:30 p.m. Speaking from personal experience only.

This is not to say that there aren’t many young Trek fans out there. There are. But then even Trek fans can have social lives (contrary to stereotype) and I would think that the younger set are otherwise preoccupied at midnight.

I think I would love to see better publicity for this midnight film series. Has advertisement been done in local papers of any kind? Is there Facebook page for it?

There are three more TNG movies, it would seem, in the series, and it’s not too late for the promoters to spread the word.

I realize that it’s in the nature of some of these presentations that there’s a great deal of reliance on volunteerism and the budget for promotion is very much shoestring. I remember running into a celebration of Elvis Presley at the Egyptian Theater earlier this year, I think, purely by accident. I wandered in and saw that it had been put on by a film historical society. Some effort was made to promote it, but had I not just happened to walk by, I wouldn’t really have known about it.

79. chrisfawkes.com - August 2, 2010

12 people showed up? That was probably every single person on the planet who liked it.

80. Dom - August 2, 2010

An awful Star Trek film and an awful film. It gets so much wrong, you’d think it was made by a bunch of mildly-talented amateurs. The ‘plot’ is a mess with even the TNG cast seeming out of character. The patronising treatment of the original crew makes my skin crawl, especially since Scotty and Chekov skip between James Doohan and Walter Koenig trying to stay in character, but also speak Bones and Spock dialogue with a dose of TNG techonbabble.

And Kirk’s death was just idiotic. It’s sad, because almost everyone regrets it. Most fans do, Shatner does, the writers do, Leonard Nimoy does. Even now, I think you’d hear very few complaints if, at the end of the credits, they added an outtake of the woods in the Nexus and the sound of logs being chopped by an axe.

For me, it’s a film devoid of hope. Kirk’s dead. The Enterprise-B is trashed. The Enterprise-D is destroyed in the most stupid way imaginable: through use of a hidden camera on a crewman who has just been tortured, yet hasn’t been scanned for bugs on his return! Picard’s family has been wiped out. Oh, but Data’s cat is all right! Sorry, but I felt depressed watching it in the cinema and on VHS. When I was given the DVD as a free gift, I got through it once and that was enough. I have no desire to see it again. It’s a miserable, cheap-looking film devoid of hope. The only positive thing I have to say for it is that it makes the Enterprise-D look believable, inside and outside, for the first time!

I’m not surprised the screening got so few viewers: it’s a dreadful film, held in an indifference, bordering on contempt, even by the general public that can be bothered to remember it! Many fans hate it! People think STV:TFF is a bit cack, but they don’t despise it the way people despise Generations. I feel sorry for TNG fans: TOS fans basically had a pretty good ride with their films. The TNG films never really rose above being expensive TV movies that failed to appreciate that TNG was the kind of shown that needed to be a weekly series to work. TV shows moving into the cinema often and getting a ‘promotion.’ TOS is a rare exception of a TV show that also really works in a theatrical environment. Most don’t. TNG didn’t?

I was never a fan of Dennis McCarthy’s Trek music: too cliched and sentimental, eventually giving in to the droning wallpaper that distinguished the Berman era. I don’t blame him as such: he simply did as he was asked and paid for. I respect Ron Jones more for giving Berman the two fingers!! And I still think the best V theme tune was the opening of The Final Battle. Sorry!

81. Dom - August 2, 2010

Should read: “TV shows moving into the cinema aren’t necessarily getting a ‘promotion.’”

I’m turning off the predictive writing on my iPad!

82. Damian - August 2, 2010

#7–There was supposedly a 10 year gap between Star Trek V and VI. Still awfully young for a starship to be mothballed, which leads credence to the idea that the Enterprise-A was a recommissioned starship that already existed. Even the novels never really resolved this. Their were a number of novels that took place between V and VI though. The first Enterprise was 45 years old before being decommissioned.

#68–I think it can also be assumed the Enterprise was involved in other battles during the war. There were many fronts during the Dominion War, and it being as vast as it was, not all ships can be in all battles all the time.

I liked Generations. It was not the best of the movies, but I still enjoyed it. I don’t have a problem that Kirk died saving a race in the Veridian system that he never met. Starfleet officer swear to defend the innocent. However, I do agree with some of the detractors that the way his death is handled could have been better. Also, the Enterprise-D has always been my favorite and I never forgave them for destroying it (when Picard returned from the Nexus to stop Soran, I was kind of hoping they would find a way to save it). I would have gone to see all 11 if I didn’t live across the country. At the end of the day, either you like it or you don’t. I liked all 11 movies to varying degrees, and I always felt they all lived up to the Star Trek ideal at the end of the day (or movie if you will).

Star Trek really is the best. Their are fans that only like the original series and maybe the first 6 movies. Some fans only liked the later series, but not the original series or the new movie. Some fans only liked the new movie and what JJ Abrams brings to it. Still others are like me and like everything from “The Cage” to Star Trek (2009) and everything in between (including the books). If you get down to it, there is enough out there for everybody. We just need to respect each other’s right to like what part of Star Trek that we want and be happy that Star Trek is liked by so many.

83. Horatio - August 2, 2010

There are some great lines in this movie.

“Time is the fire in which we burn.” In fact, Soran’s whole speech to Picard about time – “the predator” was and still is pretty deep for those of us who are starting to feel the effects of time.

The Durass sisters were a kick. I thought they were great. Regarding Geordi: “He must be the only engineer in starfleet who doesn’t go to engineering!”.

Generations had some great moments. I liked the concept of the Nexus but the whole gotta-blowup-a-star system-to-get-back-in seemed really silly.

The greatest sin – Kirk’s death – wasn’t so much that he died as that it was such a weasly way to go for a great hero. Never kill an icon. They should have made his death more ambiguous so as to at least leave the possibility he is still out there somewhere.

84. moauvian waoul - August 2, 2010

81- I think what you say is true, though I have to mostly agree with Dom. Artistically speaking the latter films were by and large inferior ( with props to FC). I for one was glad to see the “D” destroyed. Always felt it was the mini-van of starships, unimaginative and wimpy. Didn’t think it worked or could ever work on the big screen, and still believe that’s why they got rid of it. As for Kirk’s death- I have mixed feelings. Though it was a lame way to see of the greatest captain of all, no one, no villan actually killed him. No one was bad ass enough to deliver the final blow, and it was a structural failure that did him in. I know, I know, I’m grasping at straws.

85. moauvian waoul - August 2, 2010

See off

86. Lore - August 2, 2010

#19 You leave Riker in charge for 5 minutes and the bridge has sunshine coming in through the roof. No wonder there’s no Titan show.

87. Brian - August 2, 2010

To HatRick: I also went to the screenings for II, IV and VI. They were pretty much a full house. They also had Nicholas Meyer and original series guests. Maybe some people don’t care for the music guys or TNG movies in general. Dennis was one of my favorite guests.

88. Seany-wan - August 2, 2010

Funny, as time goes by, I like this film more & more. Granted, the death if Kirk is unnecessary and weak, but it was an epic first outing for the new crew. The scenes with Picard and Kirk in the Nexus are (IMO), the best parts. I get somewhat teary eyed when your hear the music “The Nexus/A Christmas Hug” and Kirk walks over to the clock and says, “I gave this clock to bones.” It truly felt like the old crew had moved on.

89. Hat Rick - August 2, 2010

Thanks, 87. Well, like 88, I enjoy Generations more and more as time goes by, as well.

90. Dom - August 2, 2010

Thing is, the Veridian aspect is lazy. Now, maybe if we’d had Soran attempting to launch his missile from the inhabited world as Picard and his team, along with people from that planet, tried to stop him, I could respect it. To give the Veridians’ plight any real resonance we needed to meet them. Y’know, show, don’t tell! But what we get is a cheap scene out of an old RKO serial on an uninhabited rock.

As for killing Kirk off: if you kill an icon, you kill him in the context of his own world. If Kirk had died in STVI, Bones and Spock trying to rescue him, fair enough. But to rope in the character for a glorified extended cameo being used as a bit of extra muscle in a spinoff of a spinoff show, then kill him is really . . . insulting!

Better would have been to end with Kirk alive wondering what to do in this new century all alone, only for him to turn around and see Spock, McCoy and Scotty standing there.

But we all know Ricky-boy wanted to bury Kirk and TOS!

91. skyjedi - August 5, 2010

To me this had the weakest script of any Star Trek movie, yes even worse than Star trek V.

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