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VegasCon10: Frakes talks ST09 & Nemesis + Stewart talks Roddenberry + Spiner talks future of Data + Dorn talks Worf [PHOTOS] August 11, 2010

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Conventions/Events/Attractions,TNG , trackback

Over the weekend four of Star Trek The Next Generation’s stars appeared at the Las Vegas Trek con. This included Jonathan Frakes talking frankly about the movies and Enterprise, Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart joking around (with Spiner also weighing in on his Star Trek Future), plus Michael Dorn going in depth into the character of Worf. Check out the full report with quotes and photos below.


Frakes gets frank

Star Trek: The Next Generation’s Will Riker Jonathan Frakes was the sole TNG star on Saturday at the Star Trek con, noting he had a "tough act to follow", coming on after William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, but even solo he kept the crowd entertained with a high energy and frank appearance. Here are some of Frakes’ frank talk

On the Star Trek movies

First Contact, now that was a good movie…in deference to Leonard [Nimoy], that was the second best Star Trek movie, of our era. [meaning prior to 2009 Star Trek film]

On 2009 Star Trek movie

I have movie envy for the great Star Trek movie from JJ Abrams, which I thought was spectacular. Especially Karl Urban, who actually channeled DeForest Kelley – he was awesome.

On Star Trek: Nemesis

Nemesis was not my fault! Nemesis was not my fault! Nemesis was not my fault!!

On appearing in Enterprise finale "These are The Voyages":

It is going to be like a valentine to the fans, that is how Rick [Berman] sold it, and I thought "where is the valentine." I thought it was ill-conceived frankly, and to the credit of Scott Bakula and the company, they let us come in. The first thing I said to him was "if it was my show, I certainly wouldn’t someone coming in from another show to close us down" and he was such a gentleman and so patient and thoughtful and gracious. It was ill-fated and not a great idea, but it was fun to do with Marina [Sirtis]. It wasn’t really rooted in the show.

Jonathan Frakes at Las Vegas Star Trek Con talks frankly about highs and lows of his time on Star Trek

Frakes told the crowd of thousands of Trekkies that he is in "movie jail" following the Thunderbirds "flop" in 2004, but that he is very busing directing for television. The actor-turned director rattled off a list of series he has recently worked on (or will be working on soon), including Burn Notice, NCIS, Chuck, The Glades, Castle and The Good Guys. However Frakes says his "new home" is the TNT heist show Leverage. He also revealed that he is prepping another "Librarian" movie, which will be shot in China. As for acting, Frakes noted that the roles just aren’t coming, retelling a story of a director saying excited to meet him saying "hey you are the guy from Star Trek!" and then not being able to cast him because "you are the guy from Star Trek."

Frakes also told a touching story about how he "gone into hiding" around the release of Star Trek First Contact and how DeForest Kelley found out where he was and called him to congratulate him, noting "he was the sweetest most thoughtful man, he was lovely" As for Riker’s famous lean forward walk, Frakes demonstrated the stride and revealed that even though it was similar to the swagger of John Wayne, he actually copied the walk from actor John Cullum, who he worked with on Broadway.

Jonathan Frakes explains the "Riker walk"

Patrick Stewart on Hornblower + Brent Spiner on his Star Trek future

Sunday offered up three more TNG stars, starting off with a joint appearance by Sir Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner speaking to a capacity crowd, second in size only to the crowd for Shatner and Nimoy on Saturday. Stewart started off solo, spending much of his time auctioning off a custom made jacket from the X-Men movies to support Huddersfield Academy (it sold to a fan for $10,000).

Patrick Stewart auctions X-Men jacket

Stewart talked about doing "theater, theater, theater, plays, plays, plays", highlighting his upcoming six months on Broadway and the PBS versions of Hamlet and MacBeth (airing this fall, which he said "one of the most extraordinary things I have done"). He also revealed that he hopes to do one more run of A Christmas Carol, taking it on tour in the US and hopefully to the White House.

Stewart did talk a little bit about his time on Star Trek: The Next Generation, recalling an early meeting with Gene Roddenberry where gave him half a dozen Captain Horatio Hornblower novels to "instruct me on how to play the role of Jean Luc Picard…and nothing more" As he was familiar with the character, Stewart got the idea, but decided that there was one element of the character that he would not bring to TNG, that of how Hornblower would throw up with the sea got rough, noting "can you imagine, Engage- blech…it wouldn’t be pretty."

Patrick Stewart
Patrick Stewart (Photo: Brian Wilkins)

Brent Spiner took over for Stewart and as usual he spent much of his time joking around, even saying that he really didn’t remember his time on Star Trek and he spent a lot of time speculating about doing a one man play in an elevator for $10,000 a ticket. But he did get serious or semi-serious at times as well, and here are some highlights of his comments.

Spiner on if he "intended" to appear in future Star Trek movie:

It is really not up to me. It is not like I can say, sure I am intending to, whether it will happen is anyone’s guess – probably not. I definitely don’t think I will be playing Data again probably. I thought about it, gave it real serious consideration, and took a good hard look at myself. I don’t want to see it, to see Data with white hair. I am hoping to play other things, but Captain Data will have to

Spiner on Data being resurrected using B4 in the Countdown comic book:

That was our idea! We were going to do that in the next…oh yeah

Spiner on his role in Star Trek history

I think Star Trek is the biggest thing that has ever happened in entertainment in American history. What else has gone on this many years with this many incarnations? The film came out last year and it was huge and gigantic and to be part of something like that – one never imagines one would be part of something that is part of American history, even though Patrick was in it too.

Brent Spiner
Brent Spiner proud to be part of Star Trek history (Photo: Brian Wilkins)

When Patrick Stewart came back out to join Spiner the pair showed again that they have a great rapport, with lots of joking around. The pair agreed that on the set of The Next Generation there were "no bad eggs" and that everyone got along well and still do. Patrick recalled that just this year the entire cast and Rick Berman got together to celebrate his knighthood, with Brent joking that "the amazing thing was Patrick paid". The pair also recalled how Michael Dorn (because his station was at the back of the bridge) was always the last to get his close-up shots and so by the time they were all finished and out of their wardrobe they would go back to the set and poke fun at him and openly take bets on how many takes he would need for his lines.  

Spiner & Stewart
Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart answer fan questions at Las Vegas Star Trek Convention
(Photo: Brian Wilkins)

Michael Dorn

Star Trek The Next Generation’s Michael Dorn was the final guest for the Star Trek con on Sunday. The actor continues to look svelte and noted to the audience that he has now not only a vegetarian but also a vegan. 

Michael Dorn at Star Trek Las Vegas Convention

Throughout his time on stage, Dorn showed that he was a true fan of Star Trek, with a lot to say about his character Worf and his time in the franchise. Here are some highlights.

Dorn on appearing in Star Trek VI:

You know I got the job and that was cool, but nothing was really clicking, like great job, get another airplane, cool. But on the last day with the big conference with all the aliens and the assassination and I am sitting there back stage with all the guest stars, and on the other side are all the chairs for the original guys and they were sitting in their chairs and all of a sudden it hits me and I am "oh my god, it’s the original guys!", of course outside I am cool, but on the inside I was all "oh my god it’s Sulu…hi Scotty"…it hit at that moment, I grew up with these guys, it was a wonderful experience, but it was one of the hardest experiences. I mean the last day I was there I spent 24 hours in makeup

On working with "icons"

The closest I came to working with an icon was John Colicos, who played Kor. I grew up with the original series and he was just fabulous. The episode "Once More Into The Breach" he was just incredible

Dorn on death of Jadzia and romance between Worf and Troi on TNG

I wish that they had not killed Jadzia. I don’t question that much, but I was "are you guys sure about this?" There should be one of you [fans] in every production meeting. Like for instance when Worf and Troi got together, it was all sort of "honey" you know, it wasn’t very Klingon ritual. They kind of dropped the ball on that. And so when this guy kills Jadzia, who he is nuts about, the Klingon thing is you are supposed to kill him…in that last episode [Worf] should have gone over and sliced him up.

On playing Worf in TNG vs DS9

Personally I loved Next Generation because of the camaraderie and the stuff we did and the launching of the franchise and was wondering and great to part of that. And working with those actors was fantastic. Looking at the Deep Space Nine episodes now, Worf was truly a three-dimensional character. They wrote incredibly beautiful stuff. The Klingon episodes were Shakespearean in scope and the Jadzia Dax thing, even Marina [Sirtis] said that was a relationship she loved because they had such great chemistry together.


Dorn gets into depth on Worf on Star Trek


One of the most fun elements of the appearances of the Next Gen stars were some ‘cameo’ surprise visits from other stars attending the convention. Here are some photos from the surprise visits.

Jeri Ryan surprises Jonathan Frakes (Saturday)

Michael  surprises Stewart on stage…’flooring’ Stewart

Spiner asks "Lord Stewart" a question

Patrick Stewart returns the favor and joins Spiner’s Q&A line

Spiner’s head makes a guest appearance during’ Dorn’s stage time

More Vegas Star Con 2010

For more from the con see our full reports:

…And more to come with coverage Enterprise stars from Sunday, plus more follow-ups.


1. Sebastian - August 11, 2010

Having met Brent Spiner, Levar Burton, Michael Dorn and Marina Sirtis at Comic Con this year, you can tell that this is a really close-knit group.

To be honest, I am not as big a NG fan as I was 15 years ago (always been more of a TOS/DS9 guy), but it is great just to see this ‘family’ let loose again. They’re real cut-ups when they’re together. Great chemistry! ; )

2. nukirk - August 11, 2010

seriously, Dorn needs to grow his hair out again. Dude has a pointy head, like he’s trying to audition for a reboot of Coneheads (no insult intended to Dorn)

Spiner missed the obvious idea; why would he have his only option to be playing Data? he already played Arik Soong in ENterprise; why not another ancestor of Noonien Soong?

3. Harry Ballz - August 11, 2010

The cast of TNG were a talented group.

It would be nice to see them together one more time.

4. jotin - August 11, 2010


5. Chain of Command - August 11, 2010

Miss them all. I hate the passage of time.

6. Jeff O'Connor - August 11, 2010

I’m a vegeterian too, but I don’t know if I could go the full route like Michael Dorn. A lot of people don’t realize (or know the difference for that matter) but being a vegan is heaps and heaps more challenging than being a vegetarian. Not eating meat = one thing. Not eating anything with any form of dairy product whatsoever = challenging.

7. Jeff O'Connor - August 11, 2010


I know, right?

8. ilkers - August 11, 2010

we are very uniquely blessed to have witnessed the works of these ladies and gentlemen in our lifetime. thank you all, you are all part of our families.

9. Hat Rick - August 11, 2010

Excellent write-up. Caught Jonathan, Patrick, and Brent, but missed Michael. Will post photos on my blog. (This was posted via iPhone.)

10. Eric - August 11, 2010

It always puzzles me why everyone hates Nemesis so much, i mean it wasn’t TWK or First Contact but it was a good piece of sci-fi fun. I didn’t see much wrong with it, i really enjoyed the scene in the beginning where Picard stands in the Romulan Senate Chamber with Shinzon and speaks of peace. Between the musical score and the optimism Picard conveyed i found the scene extremely touching. A purely Picard moment-ever the diplomat. If anything, i thought Insurrection was the worst, saw no useful purpose in it.

11. CmdrR - August 11, 2010

Wouldn’t it be great to get a really, really well done animated film together so we could get the TNGers in their prime? Yes, lord help us, the time is coming rapidly that all 50-million dollar actors will be CGI’d so they can make bad movies until they’re 103. I mean animation. REAL hand drawn animation. Sure, it’s expensive, but I seem to recall Pixar and Dreamworks turning a buck or two.

12. robowarrior - August 11, 2010

@1- I’m glad to know I’m not the only TOS/DS9 person. I love TNG but not nearly as much as those two.

13. CmdrR - August 11, 2010

10- Insurrection was the worst. But, Nemesis was dull. Neither gave the audience a reason to go tell their friends, and that’s death in Hollywood.

14. Browncoat1984 - August 11, 2010

I’m getting tired of every past Star Trek actor being asked “would you/will you be in the next movie?” The ONLY Trek actor I could possibly see being in any future movies is Bakula, only because they wrote his character in the last movie. In fact I’d love to see a cameo from him (I wouldn’t want him in a big part but more like a slightly larger Mulgrew-style cameo – like she did in Nemesis).

Either way, lets let the new crew have some breathing space and grow their own space legs?

15. Hat Rick - August 11, 2010

A few ruminations:

1. Frakes was very frank, indeed. For example, he responded to a question about the acting profession by saying essentially that show business is unfair. You can do the greatest job and yet not be rewarded for it. He said that unless you have nothing else in mind except acting, you should avoid the business altogether and do something else. Get out while you still can, was his advice.

2. Spiner said much the same thing, separately. Giving a personal example, he related how he had been called out to an audition in which he was told he was perfect for the part, only to open the newspaper the next day to find that the role had already been given to someone else.

3. When Dorn appeared in his cameo during Stewart’s appearance, he did a bit where he pummeled Stewart into submission. This accounts for why Dorn is standing over Stewart in one of the photographs.

4. When asked whether he owed any part of his knighthood to his stint as Captain Picard, Stewart replied in the affirmative. He said that his receipt of the Order of the British Empire was for services for drama, which would include his Star Trek role. Further, he said that without Star Trek, he would not have been considered for certain other roles which contributed to his receiving the award.

5. As I mentioned in another posting, Spiner mugged in the direction of Stewart in response to the “were there any bad eggs” question.

6. Stewart mentioned that he did recall one cross word during his seven years with the Star Trek cast, and that was from Michael Dorn, and Stewart acknowledged he clearly deserved it.

More tidbits as I remember them.

16. Hat Rick - August 11, 2010

7. Spiner’s extended one-man show joke came about because a fan asked him whether he intended to do a play in L.A. He misheard that question as being whether he intended to do a play in an elevator. Understandable error. Spiner ran with it, eventually thinking out loud about whether union and lighting issues could be resolved, the name of the play (possibly a version of “Waiting for Godot”), and something to do with whether the elevator could accommodate the need for a tree, at which point either he or Stewart mentioned that it could be just a branch.

8. Stewart agreed to a request from the fan who successfully bid for the “X-Men” coat to appear on stage with him and the two shook hands. The fan also put on the coat for a moment. Stewart was very appreciative of the sale and said that it would greatly benefit the Huddersfield team of which he was a lifelong patron.

9. At one point, Spiner jokingly referred to the coat as a royal robe. He also did a exaggerated mock bow in deference to Stewart.

10. Spiner was asked to do some of his famous crooning for the audience but repeatedly declined. He milked the request for all it was worth, making as though to sing and then simply stopping. He said he needed to warm up, there needed to be instruments, etc. Nonetheless, he and Stewart did sing a few bars of a melody a couple of times.

17. ZudoBug - August 12, 2010

hey anthony, just a correction. It’s “These are the VoyaGES” not “These are the VoyaGERS”.


18. Hat Rick - August 12, 2010

11. One fan shouted out in response to Spiner’s “can’t play Data with white hair” comment that she’d spring for hair dye. I don’t think he heard her, though.

12. Stewart’s hopes for performing the “Christmas Carol” in the White House had to do with the fact that it might do the most good there, according to him. He said that if he could reprise his role in that play and tour the country in it, it would be for the last time.

13. Stewart mentioned that he enjoyed traveling by car to Las Vegas, marveling at the beauty of the Southwest. And it was safe, too, he added.

14. Both Stewart and Spiner made good-natured fun of Riker’s (Frakes’) “John Wayne” swagger, demonstrating it for the audience.

15. While a number of cast members have done Picard impressions, the only impression of Marina Sirtis appears to have been by Frakes, who did a hilarious imitation of her inviting him to a meeting with Sting.

19. Smart - August 12, 2010

Give those guys one more film!!!!!!

20. - August 12, 2010

i would love to know all the ideas by spiner and john logan about “star trek 11″ as THEY imagined it.

i like star trek – nemesis. why the hell are all the people so negative about this great movie? and if the actors thought, it is bad, why did they not invent and say: that is not our next gen? leonard nimoy is doing so – that is why he was not in generations and that is why he was in abrams star trek!

21. Admiral_Bumblebee - August 12, 2010

It’s a shame to never see them again on screen.

A crossover with every crew from TOS over TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the new alternate universe would be great. Everyone together saving the multiverse, maybe in some sort of mini-series for TV… but this won’t happen. The only thing we will see in the future will be the JJ-verse…

22. Hat Rick - August 12, 2010

I have to say that much of the Nemesis-bashing may take place because it is often deemed to be the lowest-performing Trek movie. Ever. And it was the only Trek movie not to win its opening weekend. (“Maid in Manhattan” topped it.)

Some of it is also because it is now safe to bash Nemesis, now that Star Trek has regained its cinematic footing.

However, I am sometimes as guilty as any other fan of ignoring the positive sides of Nemesis, which include the fact that it was, first and foremost, an earnestly intended movie with some good moments and grand ambitions. I think I could as easily find things to praise about Nemesis as I could to criticize it.

I think that if Star Trek (2009) had never existed, I would try harder to appreciate those positive aspects of Nemesis which, admittedly, were always there.

An important question to me remains whether Nemesis is a good enough movie to serve as the final send-off for the TNG cast and crew. And the answer to that question, to me, is “No.”

I would like to see TNG return in some form or another. It was a truly great series involving some great people, and it deserves better than to be remembered for a movie that disappointed so many.

23. Nick Cook - August 12, 2010

I really miss seeing these guys onscreen in new adventures. *sigh*

24. TMZ - August 12, 2010

I would’ve never imagined that these cons would continue to be so insanely popular based on the exact same routine and dialogue from these actors each year.

Pull up any website review from a previous con and it’s the exact same conversation with the crowd and then the exact same user comments in these forums.

Nothing new is told, because there *is* nothing new and anything personal or insightful they would not tell to people dressed up in costumes in a banquet hall.

25. Data476 - August 12, 2010

by far and away, the TNG CAST/ACTORS are the closest group I’ve seen! The show ended over 16 years ago now, the movies 8 years ago – wow! It’s great to see in my opinion.

26. Thomas Riker - August 12, 2010

Riker in Ent finale: “where is the valentine.” “if it was my show, I certainly wouldn’t someone coming in from another show to close us down”

If everybody thought soo, why they made this episode, this way? Trip died just because producers didn’t write a real finale. They just used the cliffhanger, and killed the fan favorite character. And actors didn’t say anything. Sad.

I beleive that Trip live with T’pol in Vulcan and planning a new ship class, the Constitution class. :)

And i didn’t understand why they used the Ent-D setting, and not the Ent-E setting? Riker as thinking about his promotion to Titan could be better, than the Pegasus project storry. (Otherwise i waited Riker for next captain of Enterprise.)

Brent Spiner: “I think Star Trek is the biggest thing that has ever happened in entertainment in American history. What else has gone on this many years with this many incarnations? ”

The show must go on! We need new series. Young fan need to know why our generations miss this crews so much.

27. Enterprisingguy - August 12, 2010

I know what you mean TMZ. If I never hear the “it was supposed to be a valentine” story again it won’t hurt my feelings!

I would have loved for there to be one last TNG movie if only for the reason of bringing back Data WITHOUT the damned emotion chip! That was the biggest blunder with the character of Data. It more often turned him into a buffoon (“OH SHIT!!” comes to mind) than it did to add to the story. I’ve always preferred stories where the aspiration exceeded the character’s grasp rather than to achieve and have it be a huge letdown.

28. Praetor Tal - August 12, 2010

Dunno why everyone is always apologizing for Nemesis. With the right editing, it would shine up nicely. Insurrection is what they ought to be apologizing for. It felt like a bad Voyager episode that just wouldn’t end.

29. Hat Rick - August 12, 2010

^^ So is the NEM versus INS debate this year’s version of Kirk versus Picard? ;-)

If truth be told, I could find some very nice things to say about INS, too.

INS tried to be very lighthearted after the intensity of FC. This accounts for the some of the dialogue and actions that seem uncharacteristic (e.g., the “b**b” comment).

NEM versus INS is not a debate I would like to engage in, because I happen to like all Trek movies in general. Just some more than others.

30. Jamjumetley - August 12, 2010

He’s right – Thunderbirds film was terrible. I can’t understand why they allowed to destroy a classic like that.

31. Thomas Riker - August 12, 2010


“Dunno why everyone is always apologizing for Nemesis.”

For example: Torch in the Romulan Senate? Boss fight in the Jeffreys tube?

“With the right editing, it would shine up nicely.”

I agree. But this way it was a cheap action movie. mad max and vampires in the spaaceee! It isn’t Star Trek.

“Insurrection is what they ought to be apologizing for. ”

I don’t think so. Insurection was a real Star Trek story idea, just like idea of Nemesis too. But the success of First Contact was the probleme. Trek became action series, and lost sci-fi fans. But action movie fans -who liked borgs -didn’t interested in Prime Directive, and philosophy of Trek. Trek couldn’t be action movie and peacefull story in the same time (and in a gray uniform). But Trek can be adventure and philosophy together, as in the new film. .

32. CmdrR - August 12, 2010

Wish I could get to more of these things. Just did Dragon Con last year. Got fired the next week. Just started a new job, so I don’t know if I can afford DC this year. Ah well…

33. Jtrekker - August 12, 2010

The way I have always looked at Nemesis is this: Had it been a stand alone sci-fi film, and NOT Star Trek, it would have worked! But, as a Star Trek movie – and especially a TNG movie – it was a horrible way to almost kill the franchise. The part I’ve always disliked about Nemesis is the “dark” factor. The lighting is dark, the plot line is dark, the music is dark, and even the actors appear more negative than normal. But Star Trek is not supposed to be dark! Even in the most depressing moments of DS9 or Enterprise, there was always still hope, and the primary themes stayed intact. But Nemesis did not represent the themes of Star Trek – at least not any positive themes. All i can think of when I think of Nemesis is Tom Hardy’s line to Picard about his “true nature” trying to make the point that Picard at heart was evil, while Picard tried to convince Shinzon he was good. Probably both the most redeeming characteristic and worst problem with the movie all in the same moment.

The only good part about Nemesis is that the DVD had several deleted scenes that actually showcased some genuine TNG-like interaction among the characters. Honestly, had they left most of the deleted scenes in and dumped some crap like Troi’s mental rape and Data’s sacrifice, the movie may actually have worked!

34. Bucky - August 12, 2010

I think even Braga has said as much, “These Are the Voyages” is not the series finale of Enterprise. Yes, it’s the last episode that aired, but it’s really an epilogue. A PS. The show’s true finale is “Demons” and “Tera Prime”, which works much better as a wrap up. These Are the Voyages is really a post-script.

35. Dee - August 12, 2010

Great article!!!!…..Thanks for this!!!!!

36. weyoun_9 - August 12, 2010

@14 – Unless she died in the destruction of Vulcan, based on the longevity of Vulcans vs. Humans, I think a T’Pol appearance would be the most sensible, believable and non-distracting cameo. Archer would have to be pretty old (like McCoy in “Encounter at Farpoint) and I think Pike fills whatever role Archer could but better in the context of the 2009 film.

@34 – I like that perspective on “These are the Voyages,” but I also think he knows that while they intended it to be an homage or valentine to the end of 18 years of new Trek on TV…it was not only unsuccessful in conveying that effectively, but it was also a slap in the face for the actors and the characters. I imagine by the time they figured that out, they had no choice but see it through anyway.

I, too, love this cast…and the DS9/VOY casts. There was another thread somewhere about a return to TV in mini-series form. Honestly…merging the three casts for a mini-series arc would be awesome and a good way to satiate our taste for new Trek on TV without launching a new series right away. I say bring it on! “Conspiracy” Parasites anyone? Accidentally brought back by Titan crew? Think about it… :)

37. jas_montreal - August 12, 2010

Oh please Frakes… stop bashing Nemesis. It was a good film. It just came during a bad-time in the trek-franchise. I’m sure if Frakes directed the movie, it would have resulted in the same box office blunder.

38. andrew - August 12, 2010

I love these guys, love Frakes, but come on, dude, don’t cry typecasting. It’s real, but it’s not like it can’t be overcome.

How long was Shatner typecast and eventually moved into other things that won him awards?

39. DavidJ - August 12, 2010

Recently saw Nemesis again, and even though the Shinzon plot is still as dull and generic as ever, it’s still worthwhile just to see the cast together one last time.

And hey, if nothing else it’s still more entertaining than any of the SW prequels. lol

40. Harry Kim Cardassian - August 12, 2010

First of all, First Contact is BETTER than ST2009 in it’s storytelling. Which is thanks to the directing (Jonathan Frakes) Every time I see the Vulcan Captian pull off his hood and say “Live Long and Prosper” I choke up.

ST 2009 had more than 3 times the budget of ST FC. If the studio had given Frakes that kind of money you would have seen a truly EPIC movie for sure.

41. Imrahil - August 12, 2010

Lose the hat, Patrick.

42. weyoun_9 - August 12, 2010

OMG…First Contact with ST2009’s budget. The Borg Lens Flares alone! Seriously…it was incredibly done with the budget it had but I can’t even begin to imagine the scope!

They’ll get back to the Borg eventually and I can’t wait to see what that looks like with the technology and money they might have available when that happens.

43. "Check the Circuit!" - August 12, 2010

“These are the Voyages…” wasn’t a great episode any way you look at it. But I think it is unfairly maligned because of TNG-crossover. The fans cried “This is the finale of Enterprise! Why are Riker and Troi here???” I think they were missing the bigger picture…it wasn’t the finale of Enterprise, it was the final of “modern era” Trek on weekly television. The end of an 18 year run…and the Next Generation started it. THAT’S why the crossover made sense.

The closing line? “Computer, end program.” Heartbreaking and brilliant. And the closing sequence with 3 captains and Enterprises over the classic intro….? Can’t remember how many times I watched that over and over. It was a great “valentine” to ALL of Star Trek.

The fans and actors of Enterprise (the least successful of all the series) need to get over it and stop bashing the finale. IMHO

44. Holger - August 12, 2010

Very interesting to read Frakes’ thoughts on These Are The Voyages. It shows that Frakes has a very good sense for Star Trek and what its fans like – unlike B&B at that time.

45. CaptainDonovin - August 12, 2010

These guys are nuts, love ’em.

46. Enterprisingguy - August 12, 2010

That episode was AWFUL!! The so-called valentine would have been if we got to actually SEE Archer make the speech. Instead we get “end program” from wishy-washy Riker. If we were to actually see this episode in the context of what was transpiring during “Pegasus” there’s no way people would buy into Riker pulling a Barkley and hiding out in the holodeck. The ship is stuck inside an asteroid with Romulans waiting outside and Riker thinks it’s a good time to go wring his hands over what to do by peeling carrots with T’Pol for awhile? REALLY? That episode did a great disservice to not only the ENTERPRISE cast, but the character of Riker as well.

47. CaptainDonovin - August 12, 2010

^ I meant the TNG guys are nuts, btw.

48. Buzz Cagney - August 12, 2010

Perhaps I’m not the most discerning person on the planet but what the hell was so bad about Thunderbirds?
I enjoyed it, and more importantly the gang of kids that I took to see it enjoyed it tremendously. Job done!
Frakes has had a bad rap about that film imo. He is a very accomplished director.

49. Buzz Cagney - August 12, 2010

#46 I had exactly those same thoughts when i saw it. Thanks for reminding me- i’d managed to blot it out! lol

50. Al - August 12, 2010

It peed on a legend, that’s what was wrong with it.

51. Daniel Shock - August 12, 2010

#43 – I agree. I really liked what they tried to do more than what the actually accomplished.

52. Cygnus-X1 - August 12, 2010

I love the bit about openly taking bets on Dorny getting his lines right.

And to see Frakes join the club, I’m more vexed than ever about the widespread affinity for Karl Urban’s performance in ST09. But, good for Karl. He seems like a good bloke. Maybe I’ll get it someday….

53. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

Ni Frakes for the next movie. Insurrection killed any interest I had in TNG movies. I didn’t even want to see Nemesis, until I dragged myself to the theater. That was a bad move.

54. Hat Rick - August 12, 2010

I just want to say one thing that occurs to me about NEM. Someone upthread said that it could be much improved if it were re-edited, and that seems to me to be a valid point.

Editing is a fine art. Let’s take the Alien and SW franchises, for example. Compare Aliens with Alien^3, and you will notice the vast difference in pacing. Of course, Alien was slow compared to Aliens, and yet Alien and Aliens are both well-received. Thus, it is not necessarily pacing, but also intangibles such as story, camera angles, dialogue, and the like that matter. Editing involves finding the right mix of all of these things. Star Wars is also another instructive franchise. I think it is agreed that the latter three movies (Episodes I to III) are disappointing compared with the first three in that franchise. I think that the word “ponderous” applies to the later-produced movies in Star Wars, despite the technical perfection of their effects.

Good editing could really improve NEM.

That, and improved lighting.

IMHO, of course.

55. crypter crypter crypter - August 12, 2010

Jonathan Frakes=Class Act

56. Vultan - August 12, 2010


I’m not sure any amount of expert editing or pacing could’ve saved Alien 3; the story was pure rubbish. Really, what were the filmmakers thinking? “Hey guys, in the last one we had these badass space marines. So, in this one let’s replace the marines with a bunch of nasty prisoners that aren’t allowed to have weapons–Oh, and let’s kill off the little girl the heroes saved (the only point for the last movie), and let’s have Sigourney shave off that beautiful head of hair…”

Geez, and people think Nemesis derailed the Trek franchise; Alien 3 drove its franchise right off the bloody cliff.

57. Hat Rick - August 12, 2010

Yes, killing the girl was pretty nihilistic. I didn’t like Alien^3, and you just reminded me of a good reason why.

58. captain_neill - August 12, 2010

The Con was excellent but the schedule had evenets that conflicted with one another.

Because I was getting my photo op with Patrick Stewart I missed Michael Dorn’s Q and A.

Maybe next time I can catch his talk. Sounds like I missed a great one.

59. Vultan - August 12, 2010


Yeah, they really screwed the pooch on that one, and Resurrection wasn’t much better—pretty much a cheesy remake of the original. Oh, and the less said about the AVP movies the better… (fingers in ears… hmmmm… never happened… never happened…)

I’m cautiously optimistic about Ridley Scott’s upcoming Alien prequel. Though, judging from the reviews from his recent Robin Hood flick, I’m not exactly counting on him to knock it out of the park…

60. Vultan - August 12, 2010

And, Hat Rick, you’re completely right about the Star Wars prequels. “Ponderous” is a good word to describe them—also mediocre, tedious, flat, dull, pointless, etc., etc…. The perfect example of “When Good Sci-fi/Fantasy Stories Go Bad.”

61. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

Wow, people are defending Nemesis? I’d watch Revenge of the Sith before any TNG movie.

62. Hat Rick - August 12, 2010

Thanks, Vultan. I’m glad we are agreed on the SW prequels. Midichlorians (what was the point?), bad accents, really impenetrably bad dialogue… they helped derail an otherwise amazing franchise.

Besides “ponderous,” another word for the SW prequels might be “self-indulgent.” They were complex and technically perfect, but ultimately unengaging, because, compared to the original movies, there weren’t that many people or things to care as deeply about. I cannot think of a single moment in them that was a exciting or interesting as the explosion of the Death Star in the original movie (1977). Someone once wrote that Lucas was in dire need of a good story editor for those movies, and I sort of agree.

Editing once again shows its importance.

Somewhere it was written that the SW saga became more of the story of Anakin than of Luke. That story might not have been compelling enough to sustain the burden placed upon it.

63. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

Revenge of the Sith wasn’t ponderous. Nemesis was Ponderous!!

And Aliien 3 sucked.

64. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

62. And everyone knows the story of Star Wars is about Darth Vader.

65. grigori - August 12, 2010

Nemesis was entertaining–ONCE I got over my knee-jerk disgust at the complete stretch of the plot, Picard’s clone ruling Romulus. Insurrection is the one that bored me.

But First Contact was the BEST TNG film, of course. Great music, James Cromwell rocked, and that moment the Vulcan flipped back his hood…Spine tingles. Good stuff maynard.

66. Vultan - August 12, 2010

The story of Darth Vader was interesting and exciting. The story of Anakin Skywalker was tedious and unengaging. We can blame it on the actors (the kid from “Jingle All the Way” and the older dude who looked more at home in a J. Crew catalog than a Star Destroyer) or we can blame Lucas’ awkward dialogue. I guess it’s both—a perfect storm of mediocrity.

Hat Rick, you were right that Lucas needed a story editor. With the original film he had two, writers Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck, plus input from pretty much every filmmaker in Hollywood at that time. I don’t know if his ego got the best of him with the prequels, but the scripts for Episodes I and II definitely needed a rewrite—or two, or three—before the cameras rolled.

67. Magic_Al - August 12, 2010

The irony of “Nemesis could be edited better” is that director Stuart Baird is more lauded as an editor than a director. Baird is the editor of some great films, including The Omen, Superman, and Lethal Weapon (all directed by frequent collaborator Richard Donner) and more recent successes including Casino Royale. Baird doesn’t have an editing credit for Nemesis, but I would think with his editing background he got what he wanted in the editing room.

68. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

I think some of the TNG movies could have used a plot.

69. Vultan - August 12, 2010


Yes, the Midiclorians totally ruined the idea of the Force for me. When I was a kid watching the original trilogy on VHS over and over again, the Force was this great mysterious thing, a combination of Eastern and Western spirituality that really spoke to me (and assuming a great many others) on a basic human level.

And then “The Phantom Letdown” came along and we found out the Force was nothing more than some weird blood disease Anakin picked up while on Spring Break at Jabba’s Palace… (or so I heard).

70. Brett L - August 12, 2010

@1 & 12
Ira Behr predicted it years ago– that respect for DS9 would grow over time. I love the TNG cast and a lot of their work, but as a whole, DS9 was the stronger show. The writing speaks for itself, but what other show had such a rich, well-developed and diverse “second team” of recurring characters?

71. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

Funny how this thread turned into a “Let’s bash Star Wars” instead of that crap Nemesis thread.

72. John in Canada, eh? - August 12, 2010

The real reason Nemesis didn’t work is the casting. They chose the right person to play the ‘clone’ of Data – Spiner, obviously – but the only person who could hold his own against Sir Patrick would have been Sir Patrick. Had they used the same cinematic slight-of-hand with Shinzon-Picard as they did with Spiner for B4-Data, the movie might have worked. As it was, I just rolled my eyes every time Tom Hardy was on screen. “This guy is supposed to be Picard?” I didn’t buy it for a second.

To respond to another point – having Archer appear as an aged Admiral Archer could work, but I shudder at the thought. Scott Bakula played his character’s father in “Quantum Leap” with aged makeup, and the result was… well, not a great performance. I love Bakula in 90% of what he does, but playing an older version of his character didn’t work the last time I saw it.

73. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

Actually, the casting in Nemesis was pretty decent. The reason it was bad, was because it tried to be another Star Trek II. Instead of doing a brand new story, the producers cobbled everything from old Trek movies and reused it. It sucked.

74. skyjedi - August 12, 2010

Who ever had the idea to clone star trek II with X or nemesis should never be allowed to work in the entertainment business again.

Stop copying the past . I sure as hell hope we don’t get another khan rehash twice is enough in a series of twelve star trek films imho.

75. skyjedi - August 12, 2010

Plus i would love to see a new trek interview where some cast member of a previous trek incarnation is not kissing JJ Abrams ass trying to get into the next movie, or stay in Paramount’s good graces. Tell the truth if you hated the new movie, stop this kissass stuff really.

76. Shaun - August 12, 2010

@ 12: “I’m glad to know I’m not the only TOS/DS9 person. I love TNG but not nearly as much as those two.”

i’m with you. as much as i love the actors from tng, the series does not equal the magic of tos and ds9…for me.

77. RetroWarbird - August 12, 2010

I love how these guys have gotten so adjusted to the Convention scene, and have turned each Convention into a playground where they get to just bop into one another’s segments and goof around.

Everyone seems like they’re having fun and ego-free. And the fans who go to that particular Con get to be “in on it” each time. Fantastic way to do these things.

78. weyoun_9 - August 12, 2010

I respect TOS for what it started and the role it played in the ’60s, and I enjoyed their films, But I just don’t really like a lot of them or the series as a whole. I also wished they had used Uhura, Sulu, and Checkov more. I am first and foremost a 24th Century Trek-fan.

79. Vultan - August 12, 2010


I was giving a critique of the Star Wars prequels (something a previous poster brought up), not bashing the entire saga. And when it comes to bashing Nemesis—well, you seem to have something against the TNG movies, so I’ll let you handle that.

80. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

Just the bad TNG movies.

81. roy - August 12, 2010

72. Actually for some people, the reason Star Trek “Nemesis” became the dismal failure at the box office was lack of a compelling storyline for the audience to be entertained by.

82. Vultan - August 12, 2010


And what’s your opinion of Trek ’09? Just curious…

83. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

80. I don’t know why that would matter, but I loved it. I saw it three times in the theater.

84. Vultan - August 12, 2010

I would rate the TNG movies this way (using the imdb scale):

Generations — 5/10
First Contact — 9/10
Insurrection — 4/10
Nemesis — 3/10

…and as for Star Trek 2009 — 5/10

85. Vultan - August 12, 2010


Ah. I understand now.

86. roy - August 12, 2010

74. That was John Logan who two years earlier wrote “Gladiator” for Ridley Scott and even an Academy Award nomination. Since he befriended Brent Spiner, he was essentially brought into the fold to co-write for what essentially became “Nemesis” and being a Star Trek fan himself, the thinking was this can only enhance the film to make it better. Well, we all know the result of what happened to Star Trek X at the box office.

It seems like John Logan has gone onto bigger things since the demise of “Nemesis” a the box office. He wrote “The Aviator” for Martin Scorcese and recently wrote for the Tony Award winning play “Red” just to name some of the projects he’s done. Over the years he’s really enjoyed tremendous success and is well respected in Hollywood.

87. Phaser Guy - August 12, 2010

85 Understand what? That I like good movies.? I assume you hated it.

88. skyjedi - August 12, 2010

John Logan did not direct nemesis. It was that guy who is known as a good editor but as a horrible director. Stuart Baird.

89. Youknowitstrue! - August 12, 2010

Just make 3 DVD /TV movies of TNG and end it properly. Save whatever sets you use for a new Trek series. Easy!

90. skyjedi - August 12, 2010

Also don’t forget Logan had something to do with that horrendous time machine remake with those zombie moorlocks who pretty much became the remans. Talk about reusing ideas,lol.

91. Vultan - August 12, 2010


I understand that most super fans of the new movie are usually an extra bit harsh to the TNG era. There’s nothing wrong with it—just confirms the “ruby red” theory of marketing—give her a little extra flash and Dorothy will chunk those old kicks in the ditch along the yellow brick road for some new rad slippers. It’s just human nature—well, consumer nature.

And I didn’t hate the new movie. It’s an okay action flick. I give it a 5/10. I liked the moments between Spock and Sarek and, of course, any scene with Karl Urban in it, but overall I found it a tad too juvenile for my tastes—Kirk under the girl’s bed, Kirk angst, Spock angst, Brewgineering, Scotty being a wild and crazy guy, Hotrod Enterprise, Sulu Fu, Wictor, Wictor, Wictor, etc., etc…

But I understand the strategy. You got to keep the kids interested. All those TNG fans have got to be getting up into their late twenties by now. New fans are needed. I get it. But let’s just keep the re-imagined M-113 salt “Twilight” teen vampire out of the next flick and I’ll be cool.

92. Buzz Cagney - August 12, 2010

#50 i’ve heard that said over and over. But in what way? How can you possibly not make a puppet show better? I think you are viewing the old show through rose-tints and a large dollop of nostalgia, cos its largely unwatchable now, particularly to children.

93. Hat Rick - August 12, 2010

Vultan, your comments are always interesting to read. Whether I agree with you on ST2009 is beside the point; it is always nice to hear from someone with a slightly different taken on it.

The question of remakes intrigues me at this point. If, some years from now, TNG is “reimagined,” what might it look like?

As to this, think of the series, “The Wild Wild West,” with Robert Conrad. They remade it into a comedy starring Will Smith. Now that was a radical remake.

Remakes need not be as fundamentally different as that. The new BSG remained a serious drama, but nevertheless was a significant departure from the classic “Battlestar Galactica.”

If not Patrick Stewart, who would play Captain Picard? If not Jonathan Frakes, who would play Riker? If not Brent Spiner, who would play Data?

Something to think about.

94. Thomas Riker - August 13, 2010


Star Wars

Classic Trilogy: Born from lot of people work and talent. Directors, dialouge writers (yes for the New Hope too), illustrators, etc. There were a lot of argue, “brainstorming”. Lucas was a newbie. Actors and camermans made complains. It was a teamwork. For example: Alec Guiness wanted to kill Kenobi, and Marcia Lucas ask him to the ghost role. But Lucas got the glory, after the succes. And he earned more money from merchantdesign than from the films. Mor kid, more action figure (six bounty hunters, jabba place, ewok willage, naboo pilots, jedi masters, pode race, etc.) more money. So he made the prequel for kids.

Prequel Trilogy: Lucas became a film mogul. His firms made special effect for success films in 80’s and 90’s. Nobady dare made complain him. Everybody thought he a good writer and director. But he wasn’t. He a good producer and businness man, but…just two Sith? Noooooooooo! I want a thousand Sith and an Empire which old as Yoda or Ben. Anakin as Starfighter with a Z-95. And Jedi Knights as Ronins not Monks.

After the prequel trilogy I weant a reboot. And I am not alone with this.


95. Vultan - August 13, 2010


Thanks, Hat Rick. I enjoy reading your comments as well.

And that’s what I love about this site. For the most part, we all can discuss these fictional universes in a civil, thought-provoking manner (I’ll pretend the Jennifer Lien board never happened), and many thanks should go to Anthony and crew for running a site that consistently encourages IDIC.

Anyway, despite my “different take” on the Abrams film, I still look forward to seeing where this new universe goes. And as for a TNG remake—I doubt it will ever happen, but I would be interested to see who they would cast. But more than anything I would like to see a new (original) Trek series go into production—live-action or animated TV, a web series, an officially licensed flipbook—c’mon, SOMETHING!!!

“Let’s see what’s out there…”

96. skyjedi - August 13, 2010

Agreed a new animated series would be pretty cool as would a new live action show. i know they have already had proposals before enterprise, and after slightly before the JJ film.

I think they don’t want to kill the golden goose though. When they had competing tv shows and films series sometimes people just stayed home to watch the free trek on tv.

97. Hat Rick - August 13, 2010

Indeed, 95 and 96, it would be great to have a miniseries, TV movie, or the like, if a full-fledged series could not be done.

But a series would be best, I think.

I’ve always liked the idea of a Trek anthology of some sort. I still think that a full-fledged Trek TV series should wait until after the next movie, but it should be in development soon if possible.

98. Holger - August 13, 2010

56: Nice to read that someone thinks the same about Alien 3 as I do. Most of my friends like the film – for reasons incomprehensible to me :-)

99. Jai - August 13, 2010

“And that’s what I love about this site. For the most part, we all can discuss these fictional universes in a civil, thought-provoking manner”

I’ve been pleased to experience the same thing during the few weeks that I’ve been commenting here. Occasionally there are disagreements, of course, but mostly the conversations are relaxed, easygoing, ‘bouncing ideas around’ friendly chats. Which is obviously a nice change from some of the bloodpressure-raising snakepits that constitute discussion forums (on any given topic) elsewhere on the internet.

By the way, Hat Rick — I did reply to your post to me on the other thread but it’s disappeared for some reason. To reiterate, I’ve read the articles on your own blog and really like what you’ve written there. Great stuff.

“The story of Darth Vader was interesting and exciting. The story of Anakin Skywalker was tedious and unengaging.”

The first two films could obviously have been handled better but the last prequel was okay, especially the depiction of all the drama and tragedy towards the end of the movie. The novelisation is better, though, as is the follow-up book focusing primarily on the aftermath and its impact on Vader — they’re psychologically even darker and more grown-up, as you would expect and as the “book versions” tend to be.

“I still think that a full-fledged Trek TV series should wait until after the next movie, but it should be in development soon if possible.”

I’m not sure if a TNG reboot/reimagining (as some people have suggested) would be a good idea or even necessary, but some kind of post-DS9 continuation would be great. I mentioned this on another thread last week, but for those who missed it, I think a “10 years later” series focusing on Worf’s now-completely-grown-up son Alexander and the Klingon Empire would be fun and an interesting way to take the saga in a different direction. As long as Ron D Moore was involved in some capacity (since he ended up being the resident “expert” on all things Klingon), although that might be a long-shot.

I’m sure other people here can come up with other/better suggestions, of course.

100. Damian - August 13, 2010

#22–Nemesis was a good movie. Not the best by I agree, not the best sendoff for the Next Generation. It’s easy to bash it because it did poorly at the box office. But I still say half that is due to the multiple blockbuster that were all out at the SAME EXACT TIME. How many movies will people see at one time. Paramount should have waited a few months. I predict Nemesis would have done better. It was not a blockbuster, but it would have garnered more interest.

I don’t understand the hate for Insurrection either. It was not the best either, but I just sat down to watch it last week and it was a fun ride. Isn’t that what Star Trek is all about. That is how I judge it. Alfred Hitchcock is not making these movies. It seems some try to look for some genius in moviemaking. These movies are supposed to be fun to watch, not some Earth shattering exposition. Captain Picard is standing up for the innocent here and comparisons are made to the Native American forced relocation. It has most of the required elements of Star Trek movies, good action, special effects, a few thought provoking moments and touching moments. Some of the movies hit it dead on (Star Trek II, IV, First Contact and for me, my favorite, The Motion Picture [stop laughing]). Some of them miss the mark for being a blockbuster, but they are all fun to watch.

The last episode of Enterprise certainly could have gone better. One thing I will forever be in Margaret Clark’s debt for is allowing them to retcon that episode in the Enterprise novels.

101. John - August 13, 2010

One more TNG film!!!!

102. Hat Rick - August 13, 2010

Why, thank you, Jai! I am glad my blog has had at least one reader besides me! :-)

I have been meaning to update it with pictures from the convention, but alas, the image are of very poor quality. As a result, I will not be posting photographs unless I can clean and sharpen them up.

Thank you again.

I think we have a great community in, thanks to Anthony Pascale, the various writers for the site, Star Trek-affiliated posters and contributors, and the many commenters who have made their thoughts known during these past years.

103. Harry Ballz - August 13, 2010


Ya got that right, pal! :>)

104. Vultan - August 13, 2010


“The first two films could obviously have been handled better but the last prequel was okay…”

Okay, I’ll give you that one, Jai. “ROTS” is the one prequel film I can watch from beginning to end without rolling my eyes (much). I just wish in that long stretch between “ROTJ” in ’83 and “Phantom Letdown” in ’99 Lucas would’ve concentrated as much on the scripts as he did the FX.

But que sera, sera…

105. Phaser Guy - August 13, 2010

Actually The prequel movies had more model work than the OT.

106. Vultan - August 13, 2010


Cindy Crawford’s contribution to the prequel movies was minimal at best. ;)

107. T'Cal - August 13, 2010

“Check the Circuit!” – August 12, 2010
“These are the Voyages…” wasn’t a great episode …

The closing line? “Computer, end program.” Heartbreaking and brilliant. And the closing sequence with 3 captains and Enterprises over the classic intro….? Can’t remember how many times I watched that over and over. It was a great “valentine” to ALL of Star Trek.

I created an MP3 of that and I get choked up every time I hear Frakes say that and the others read the intro. That was perhaps the best thing in that episode.

108. T'Cal - August 13, 2010

BTW, B4 may have had the aging program that his and Dat’s “mother” had in her neural net. That would allow Spiner to play him despite his age. In addition, apparently Data could alter his appearance (Unification) so why can’t B4? Reintroduce him looking like Data but older and then, in the story, alter his appearance for an assignment pertinent to the plot. I would love to see a few more stories with this cast but on TV in a miniseries rather than a film.

109. The Red Devil - August 13, 2010

Realistically when you think about it…if you could have done a merge of demons and terra prime for the last episode and then shifted a transition in these are the voyages things I think would have worked a lot better for the ending….these are the voyages was just a stupid idea…after archers speech to the future federation council he made about the final frontier…the plot and setting should have switched to the scene in where archer is getting ready to address people publicly (as seen in azati prime when he was transported to the future). And had Tpol, Tucker, elizabeth and the doctor there congratulating him. Just a 5 minute scene and then maybe a cameo from TNG would have been so perfect, I can just see a re-write in my head so perfectly…oh well…leave it to paramount to cancel a show that was just getting launched up for a better time…not to mention the amazing stories scheduled for season 5.

110. Kim - August 13, 2010


An older Alexander, and perhaps a young Ensign or Lt Paris?

Surely they could also work something out with young Mr. Sisko, and/or Naomi Wildman somewhere along the way, cameos or so.

I was just blogging that I would like to see Harry Kim in command again, this time for “real”, much as Sulu did in STVI. Perhaps Icheb and the young Ferengi (sorry, name’s slipping) are part of his crew?

111. danno - August 14, 2010

I’m with you Eric (10). I think Nemesis is a fantastic film. Really good acting by old and young Picard both, good story, great effects. I’m perplexed by how no one likes it.

112. Red Dead Ryan - August 14, 2010


I wouldn’t call “Nemesis” a fantastic film by any means, but I wouldn’t call it horrible either. There were good parts as well as dumb things, like the mental rape scene, and the canyon at the bottom of the Enterprise E. As well as the fact that yet another Soong android was discovered. Instead of B4, it should have been Lore. Plus I think the movie was a bit too dark. “First Contact” was a dark movie, seeing as how it dealt with the themes of revenge as well as the Borg assimilating the crew, but it was contrasted by the hope and optimism of the first warp flight as well as the Vulcans landing on Earth.

113. Adam L - August 16, 2010

I just love these guys from TNG! As I do evey star trek actor…. And how could you not love these guys. I was a pre teen when I started watching TNG and its like I grew up watching them, almost like they rased me in a way. as did all of star trek. Just thinking about not seeing them on the screen again for any kind of movie, TV, movie dvd brings tears to my eyes!

114. TNG_forever - November 11, 2011

I love these guys! I grew up watching TNG and these guys were my heroes! I also agree with Dorn that Worf/Jadzia relationship was amazing and that the writers shouldn’t have killed her off. They really dropped the ball on that. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.