VegasCon10: Frakes talks ST09 & Nemesis + Stewart talks Roddenberry + Spiner talks future of Data + Dorn talks Worf [PHOTOS]

Over the weekend four of Star Trek The Next Generation’s stars appeared at the Las Vegas Trek con. This included Jonathan Frakes talking frankly about the movies and Enterprise, Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart joking around (with Spiner also weighing in on his Star Trek Future), plus Michael Dorn going in depth into the character of Worf. Check out the full report with quotes and photos below.

 

Frakes gets frank

Star Trek: The Next Generation’s Will Riker Jonathan Frakes was the sole TNG star on Saturday at the Star Trek con, noting he had a "tough act to follow", coming on after William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, but even solo he kept the crowd entertained with a high energy and frank appearance. Here are some of Frakes’ frank talk

On the Star Trek movies

First Contact, now that was a good movie…in deference to Leonard [Nimoy], that was the second best Star Trek movie, of our era. [meaning prior to 2009 Star Trek film]

On 2009 Star Trek movie

I have movie envy for the great Star Trek movie from JJ Abrams, which I thought was spectacular. Especially Karl Urban, who actually channeled DeForest Kelley – he was awesome.

On Star Trek: Nemesis

Nemesis was not my fault! Nemesis was not my fault! Nemesis was not my fault!!

On appearing in Enterprise finale "These are The Voyages":

It is going to be like a valentine to the fans, that is how Rick [Berman] sold it, and I thought "where is the valentine." I thought it was ill-conceived frankly, and to the credit of Scott Bakula and the company, they let us come in. The first thing I said to him was "if it was my show, I certainly wouldn’t someone coming in from another show to close us down" and he was such a gentleman and so patient and thoughtful and gracious. It was ill-fated and not a great idea, but it was fun to do with Marina [Sirtis]. It wasn’t really rooted in the show.

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Jonathan Frakes at Las Vegas Star Trek Con talks frankly about highs and lows of his time on Star Trek

Frakes told the crowd of thousands of Trekkies that he is in "movie jail" following the Thunderbirds "flop" in 2004, but that he is very busing directing for television. The actor-turned director rattled off a list of series he has recently worked on (or will be working on soon), including Burn Notice, NCIS, Chuck, The Glades, Castle and The Good Guys. However Frakes says his "new home" is the TNT heist show Leverage. He also revealed that he is prepping another "Librarian" movie, which will be shot in China. As for acting, Frakes noted that the roles just aren’t coming, retelling a story of a director saying excited to meet him saying "hey you are the guy from Star Trek!" and then not being able to cast him because "you are the guy from Star Trek."

Frakes also told a touching story about how he "gone into hiding" around the release of Star Trek First Contact and how DeForest Kelley found out where he was and called him to congratulate him, noting "he was the sweetest most thoughtful man, he was lovely" As for Riker’s famous lean forward walk, Frakes demonstrated the stride and revealed that even though it was similar to the swagger of John Wayne, he actually copied the walk from actor John Cullum, who he worked with on Broadway.

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Jonathan Frakes explains the "Riker walk"

Patrick Stewart on Hornblower + Brent Spiner on his Star Trek future

Sunday offered up three more TNG stars, starting off with a joint appearance by Sir Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner speaking to a capacity crowd, second in size only to the crowd for Shatner and Nimoy on Saturday. Stewart started off solo, spending much of his time auctioning off a custom made jacket from the X-Men movies to support Huddersfield Academy (it sold to a fan for $10,000).

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Patrick Stewart auctions X-Men jacket

Stewart talked about doing "theater, theater, theater, plays, plays, plays", highlighting his upcoming six months on Broadway and the PBS versions of Hamlet and MacBeth (airing this fall, which he said "one of the most extraordinary things I have done"). He also revealed that he hopes to do one more run of A Christmas Carol, taking it on tour in the US and hopefully to the White House.

Stewart did talk a little bit about his time on Star Trek: The Next Generation, recalling an early meeting with Gene Roddenberry where gave him half a dozen Captain Horatio Hornblower novels to "instruct me on how to play the role of Jean Luc Picard…and nothing more" As he was familiar with the character, Stewart got the idea, but decided that there was one element of the character that he would not bring to TNG, that of how Hornblower would throw up with the sea got rough, noting "can you imagine, Engage- blech…it wouldn’t be pretty."

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Patrick Stewart (Photo: Brian Wilkins)

Brent Spiner took over for Stewart and as usual he spent much of his time joking around, even saying that he really didn’t remember his time on Star Trek and he spent a lot of time speculating about doing a one man play in an elevator for $10,000 a ticket. But he did get serious or semi-serious at times as well, and here are some highlights of his comments.

Spiner on if he "intended" to appear in future Star Trek movie:

It is really not up to me. It is not like I can say, sure I am intending to, whether it will happen is anyone’s guess – probably not. I definitely don’t think I will be playing Data again probably. I thought about it, gave it real serious consideration, and took a good hard look at myself. I don’t want to see it, to see Data with white hair. I am hoping to play other things, but Captain Data will have to

Spiner on Data being resurrected using B4 in the Countdown comic book:

That was our idea! We were going to do that in the next…oh yeah

Spiner on his role in Star Trek history

I think Star Trek is the biggest thing that has ever happened in entertainment in American history. What else has gone on this many years with this many incarnations? The film came out last year and it was huge and gigantic and to be part of something like that – one never imagines one would be part of something that is part of American history, even though Patrick was in it too.

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Brent Spiner proud to be part of Star Trek history (Photo: Brian Wilkins)

When Patrick Stewart came back out to join Spiner the pair showed again that they have a great rapport, with lots of joking around. The pair agreed that on the set of The Next Generation there were "no bad eggs" and that everyone got along well and still do. Patrick recalled that just this year the entire cast and Rick Berman got together to celebrate his knighthood, with Brent joking that "the amazing thing was Patrick paid". The pair also recalled how Michael Dorn (because his station was at the back of the bridge) was always the last to get his close-up shots and so by the time they were all finished and out of their wardrobe they would go back to the set and poke fun at him and openly take bets on how many takes he would need for his lines.  

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Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart answer fan questions at Las Vegas Star Trek Convention
(Photo: Brian Wilkins)

Michael Dorn

Star Trek The Next Generation’s Michael Dorn was the final guest for the Star Trek con on Sunday. The actor continues to look svelte and noted to the audience that he has now not only a vegetarian but also a vegan. 

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Michael Dorn at Star Trek Las Vegas Convention

Throughout his time on stage, Dorn showed that he was a true fan of Star Trek, with a lot to say about his character Worf and his time in the franchise. Here are some highlights.

Dorn on appearing in Star Trek VI:

You know I got the job and that was cool, but nothing was really clicking, like great job, get another airplane, cool. But on the last day with the big conference with all the aliens and the assassination and I am sitting there back stage with all the guest stars, and on the other side are all the chairs for the original guys and they were sitting in their chairs and all of a sudden it hits me and I am "oh my god, it’s the original guys!", of course outside I am cool, but on the inside I was all "oh my god it’s Sulu…hi Scotty"…it hit at that moment, I grew up with these guys, it was a wonderful experience, but it was one of the hardest experiences. I mean the last day I was there I spent 24 hours in makeup

On working with "icons"

The closest I came to working with an icon was John Colicos, who played Kor. I grew up with the original series and he was just fabulous. The episode "Once More Into The Breach" he was just incredible

Dorn on death of Jadzia and romance between Worf and Troi on TNG

I wish that they had not killed Jadzia. I don’t question that much, but I was "are you guys sure about this?" There should be one of you [fans] in every production meeting. Like for instance when Worf and Troi got together, it was all sort of "honey" you know, it wasn’t very Klingon ritual. They kind of dropped the ball on that. And so when this guy kills Jadzia, who he is nuts about, the Klingon thing is you are supposed to kill him…in that last episode [Worf] should have gone over and sliced him up.

On playing Worf in TNG vs DS9

Personally I loved Next Generation because of the camaraderie and the stuff we did and the launching of the franchise and was wondering and great to part of that. And working with those actors was fantastic. Looking at the Deep Space Nine episodes now, Worf was truly a three-dimensional character. They wrote incredibly beautiful stuff. The Klingon episodes were Shakespearean in scope and the Jadzia Dax thing, even Marina [Sirtis] said that was a relationship she loved because they had such great chemistry together.

 

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Dorn gets into depth on Worf on Star Trek

Surprises

One of the most fun elements of the appearances of the Next Gen stars were some ‘cameo’ surprise visits from other stars attending the convention. Here are some photos from the surprise visits.

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Jeri Ryan surprises Jonathan Frakes (Saturday)

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Michael  surprises Stewart on stage…’flooring’ Stewart

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Spiner asks "Lord Stewart" a question

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Patrick Stewart returns the favor and joins Spiner’s Q&A line

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Spiner’s head makes a guest appearance during’ Dorn’s stage time

More Vegas Star Con 2010

For more from the con see our full reports:

…And more to come with coverage Enterprise stars from Sunday, plus more follow-ups.

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Sebastian
August 11, 2010 9:37 pm

Having met Brent Spiner, Levar Burton, Michael Dorn and Marina Sirtis at Comic Con this year, you can tell that this is a really close-knit group.

To be honest, I am not as big a NG fan as I was 15 years ago (always been more of a TOS/DS9 guy), but it is great just to see this ‘family’ let loose again. They’re real cut-ups when they’re together. Great chemistry! ; )

nukirk
August 11, 2010 9:37 pm

seriously, Dorn needs to grow his hair out again. Dude has a pointy head, like he’s trying to audition for a reboot of Coneheads (no insult intended to Dorn)

Spiner missed the obvious idea; why would he have his only option to be playing Data? he already played Arik Soong in ENterprise; why not another ancestor of Noonien Soong?

Harry Ballz
August 11, 2010 9:38 pm

The cast of TNG were a talented group.

It would be nice to see them together one more time.

jotin
August 11, 2010 9:39 pm

Awesome

Chain of Command
August 11, 2010 9:41 pm

Miss them all. I hate the passage of time.

Jeff O'Connor
August 11, 2010 9:47 pm

I’m a vegeterian too, but I don’t know if I could go the full route like Michael Dorn. A lot of people don’t realize (or know the difference for that matter) but being a vegan is heaps and heaps more challenging than being a vegetarian. Not eating meat = one thing. Not eating anything with any form of dairy product whatsoever = challenging.

Jeff O'Connor
August 11, 2010 9:48 pm

@5:

I know, right?

ilkers
August 11, 2010 9:51 pm

we are very uniquely blessed to have witnessed the works of these ladies and gentlemen in our lifetime. thank you all, you are all part of our families.

Hat Rick
August 11, 2010 9:59 pm

Excellent write-up. Caught Jonathan, Patrick, and Brent, but missed Michael. Will post photos on my blog. (This was posted via iPhone.)

Eric
August 11, 2010 10:18 pm

It always puzzles me why everyone hates Nemesis so much, i mean it wasn’t TWK or First Contact but it was a good piece of sci-fi fun. I didn’t see much wrong with it, i really enjoyed the scene in the beginning where Picard stands in the Romulan Senate Chamber with Shinzon and speaks of peace. Between the musical score and the optimism Picard conveyed i found the scene extremely touching. A purely Picard moment-ever the diplomat. If anything, i thought Insurrection was the worst, saw no useful purpose in it.

CmdrR
August 11, 2010 10:27 pm

Wouldn’t it be great to get a really, really well done animated film together so we could get the TNGers in their prime? Yes, lord help us, the time is coming rapidly that all 50-million dollar actors will be CGI’d so they can make bad movies until they’re 103. I mean animation. REAL hand drawn animation. Sure, it’s expensive, but I seem to recall Pixar and Dreamworks turning a buck or two.

robowarrior
August 11, 2010 10:27 pm

@1- I’m glad to know I’m not the only TOS/DS9 person. I love TNG but not nearly as much as those two.

CmdrR
August 11, 2010 10:28 pm

10- Insurrection was the worst. But, Nemesis was dull. Neither gave the audience a reason to go tell their friends, and that’s death in Hollywood.

Browncoat1984
August 11, 2010 11:28 pm

I’m getting tired of every past Star Trek actor being asked “would you/will you be in the next movie?” The ONLY Trek actor I could possibly see being in any future movies is Bakula, only because they wrote his character in the last movie. In fact I’d love to see a cameo from him (I wouldn’t want him in a big part but more like a slightly larger Mulgrew-style cameo – like she did in Nemesis).

Either way, lets let the new crew have some breathing space and grow their own space legs?

August 11, 2010 11:37 pm
A few ruminations: 1. Frakes was very frank, indeed. For example, he responded to a question about the acting profession by saying essentially that show business is unfair. You can do the greatest job and yet not be rewarded for it. He said that unless you have nothing else in mind except acting, you should avoid the business altogether and do something else. Get out while you still can, was his advice. 2. Spiner said much the same thing, separately. Giving a personal example, he related how he had been called out to an audition in which he was told he was perfect for the part, only to open the newspaper the next day to find that the role had already been given to someone else. 3. When Dorn appeared in his cameo during Stewart’s appearance, he did a bit where he pummeled Stewart into submission. This accounts for why Dorn is standing over Stewart in one of the photographs. 4. When asked whether he owed any part of his knighthood to his stint as Captain Picard, Stewart replied in the affirmative. He said that his receipt of the Order of the British Empire was for services for drama, which would include his Star Trek role. Further, he said that without Star Trek, he would not have been considered for certain other roles which contributed to his receiving the award. 5. As I mentioned in another posting, Spiner mugged in the direction of Stewart in response to the “were there… Read more »
August 11, 2010 11:57 pm
7. Spiner’s extended one-man show joke came about because a fan asked him whether he intended to do a play in L.A. He misheard that question as being whether he intended to do a play in an elevator. Understandable error. Spiner ran with it, eventually thinking out loud about whether union and lighting issues could be resolved, the name of the play (possibly a version of “Waiting for Godot”), and something to do with whether the elevator could accommodate the need for a tree, at which point either he or Stewart mentioned that it could be just a branch. 8. Stewart agreed to a request from the fan who successfully bid for the “X-Men” coat to appear on stage with him and the two shook hands. The fan also put on the coat for a moment. Stewart was very appreciative of the sale and said that it would greatly benefit the Huddersfield team of which he was a lifelong patron. 9. At one point, Spiner jokingly referred to the coat as a royal robe. He also did a exaggerated mock bow in deference to Stewart. 10. Spiner was asked to do some of his famous crooning for the audience but repeatedly declined. He milked the request for all it was worth, making as though to sing and then simply stopping. He said he needed to warm up, there needed to be instruments, etc. Nonetheless, he and Stewart did sing a few bars of a melody a couple of times.
ZudoBug
August 12, 2010 12:17 am

hey anthony, just a correction. It’s “These are the VoyaGES” not “These are the VoyaGERS”.

:P

August 12, 2010 12:17 am

11. One fan shouted out in response to Spiner’s “can’t play Data with white hair” comment that she’d spring for hair dye. I don’t think he heard her, though.

12. Stewart’s hopes for performing the “Christmas Carol” in the White House had to do with the fact that it might do the most good there, according to him. He said that if he could reprise his role in that play and tour the country in it, it would be for the last time.

13. Stewart mentioned that he enjoyed traveling by car to Las Vegas, marveling at the beauty of the Southwest. And it was safe, too, he added.

14. Both Stewart and Spiner made good-natured fun of Riker’s (Frakes’) “John Wayne” swagger, demonstrating it for the audience.

15. While a number of cast members have done Picard impressions, the only impression of Marina Sirtis appears to have been by Frakes, who did a hilarious imitation of her inviting him to a meeting with Sting.

Smart
August 12, 2010 12:42 am

Give those guys one more film!!!!!!

August 12, 2010 12:46 am

i would love to know all the ideas by spiner and john logan about “star trek 11” as THEY imagined it.

i like star trek – nemesis. why the hell are all the people so negative about this great movie? and if the actors thought, it is bad, why did they not invent and say: that is not our next gen? leonard nimoy is doing so – that is why he was not in generations and that is why he was in abrams star trek!

Admiral_Bumblebee
August 12, 2010 12:52 am

It’s a shame to never see them again on screen.

A crossover with every crew from TOS over TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the new alternate universe would be great. Everyone together saving the multiverse, maybe in some sort of mini-series for TV… but this won’t happen. The only thing we will see in the future will be the JJ-verse…

August 12, 2010 1:16 am

I have to say that much of the Nemesis-bashing may take place because it is often deemed to be the lowest-performing Trek movie. Ever. And it was the only Trek movie not to win its opening weekend. (“Maid in Manhattan” topped it.)

Some of it is also because it is now safe to bash Nemesis, now that Star Trek has regained its cinematic footing.

However, I am sometimes as guilty as any other fan of ignoring the positive sides of Nemesis, which include the fact that it was, first and foremost, an earnestly intended movie with some good moments and grand ambitions. I think I could as easily find things to praise about Nemesis as I could to criticize it.

I think that if Star Trek (2009) had never existed, I would try harder to appreciate those positive aspects of Nemesis which, admittedly, were always there.

An important question to me remains whether Nemesis is a good enough movie to serve as the final send-off for the TNG cast and crew. And the answer to that question, to me, is “No.”

I would like to see TNG return in some form or another. It was a truly great series involving some great people, and it deserves better than to be remembered for a movie that disappointed so many.

Nick Cook
August 12, 2010 3:40 am

I really miss seeing these guys onscreen in new adventures. *sigh*

TMZ
August 12, 2010 5:23 am

I would’ve never imagined that these cons would continue to be so insanely popular based on the exact same routine and dialogue from these actors each year.

Pull up any website review from a previous con and it’s the exact same conversation with the crowd and then the exact same user comments in these forums.

Nothing new is told, because there *is* nothing new and anything personal or insightful they would not tell to people dressed up in costumes in a banquet hall.

Data476
August 12, 2010 6:03 am

by far and away, the TNG CAST/ACTORS are the closest group I’ve seen! The show ended over 16 years ago now, the movies 8 years ago – wow! It’s great to see in my opinion.

Thomas Riker
August 12, 2010 6:13 am

Riker in Ent finale: “where is the valentine.” “if it was my show, I certainly wouldn’t someone coming in from another show to close us down”

If everybody thought soo, why they made this episode, this way? Trip died just because producers didn’t write a real finale. They just used the cliffhanger, and killed the fan favorite character. And actors didn’t say anything. Sad.

I beleive that Trip live with T’pol in Vulcan and planning a new ship class, the Constitution class. :)

And i didn’t understand why they used the Ent-D setting, and not the Ent-E setting? Riker as thinking about his promotion to Titan could be better, than the Pegasus project storry. (Otherwise i waited Riker for next captain of Enterprise.)

Brent Spiner: “I think Star Trek is the biggest thing that has ever happened in entertainment in American history. What else has gone on this many years with this many incarnations? ”

The show must go on! We need new series. Young fan need to know why our generations miss this crews so much.

Enterprisingguy
August 12, 2010 6:22 am

I know what you mean TMZ. If I never hear the “it was supposed to be a valentine” story again it won’t hurt my feelings!

I would have loved for there to be one last TNG movie if only for the reason of bringing back Data WITHOUT the damned emotion chip! That was the biggest blunder with the character of Data. It more often turned him into a buffoon (“OH SHIT!!” comes to mind) than it did to add to the story. I’ve always preferred stories where the aspiration exceeded the character’s grasp rather than to achieve and have it be a huge letdown.

Praetor Tal
August 12, 2010 6:33 am

Dunno why everyone is always apologizing for Nemesis. With the right editing, it would shine up nicely. Insurrection is what they ought to be apologizing for. It felt like a bad Voyager episode that just wouldn’t end.

Hat Rick
August 12, 2010 6:43 am

^^ So is the NEM versus INS debate this year’s version of Kirk versus Picard? ;-)

If truth be told, I could find some very nice things to say about INS, too.

INS tried to be very lighthearted after the intensity of FC. This accounts for the some of the dialogue and actions that seem uncharacteristic (e.g., the “b**b” comment).

NEM versus INS is not a debate I would like to engage in, because I happen to like all Trek movies in general. Just some more than others.

Jamjumetley
August 12, 2010 6:48 am

He’s right – Thunderbirds film was terrible. I can’t understand why they allowed to destroy a classic like that.

Thomas Riker
August 12, 2010 6:49 am

28

“Dunno why everyone is always apologizing for Nemesis.”

For example: Torch in the Romulan Senate? Boss fight in the Jeffreys tube?

“With the right editing, it would shine up nicely.”

I agree. But this way it was a cheap action movie. mad max and vampires in the spaaceee! It isn’t Star Trek.

“Insurrection is what they ought to be apologizing for. ”

I don’t think so. Insurection was a real Star Trek story idea, just like idea of Nemesis too. But the success of First Contact was the probleme. Trek became action series, and lost sci-fi fans. But action movie fans -who liked borgs -didn’t interested in Prime Directive, and philosophy of Trek. Trek couldn’t be action movie and peacefull story in the same time (and in a gray uniform). But Trek can be adventure and philosophy together, as in the new film. .

CmdrR
August 12, 2010 7:15 am

Wish I could get to more of these things. Just did Dragon Con last year. Got fired the next week. Just started a new job, so I don’t know if I can afford DC this year. Ah well…

Jtrekker
August 12, 2010 7:48 am

The way I have always looked at Nemesis is this: Had it been a stand alone sci-fi film, and NOT Star Trek, it would have worked! But, as a Star Trek movie – and especially a TNG movie – it was a horrible way to almost kill the franchise. The part I’ve always disliked about Nemesis is the “dark” factor. The lighting is dark, the plot line is dark, the music is dark, and even the actors appear more negative than normal. But Star Trek is not supposed to be dark! Even in the most depressing moments of DS9 or Enterprise, there was always still hope, and the primary themes stayed intact. But Nemesis did not represent the themes of Star Trek – at least not any positive themes. All i can think of when I think of Nemesis is Tom Hardy’s line to Picard about his “true nature” trying to make the point that Picard at heart was evil, while Picard tried to convince Shinzon he was good. Probably both the most redeeming characteristic and worst problem with the movie all in the same moment.

The only good part about Nemesis is that the DVD had several deleted scenes that actually showcased some genuine TNG-like interaction among the characters. Honestly, had they left most of the deleted scenes in and dumped some crap like Troi’s mental rape and Data’s sacrifice, the movie may actually have worked!

Bucky
August 12, 2010 9:15 am

I think even Braga has said as much, “These Are the Voyages” is not the series finale of Enterprise. Yes, it’s the last episode that aired, but it’s really an epilogue. A PS. The show’s true finale is “Demons” and “Tera Prime”, which works much better as a wrap up. These Are the Voyages is really a post-script.

Dee
August 12, 2010 9:26 am

Great article!!!!…..Thanks for this!!!!!

weyoun_9
August 12, 2010 9:38 am

@14 – Unless she died in the destruction of Vulcan, based on the longevity of Vulcans vs. Humans, I think a T’Pol appearance would be the most sensible, believable and non-distracting cameo. Archer would have to be pretty old (like McCoy in “Encounter at Farpoint) and I think Pike fills whatever role Archer could but better in the context of the 2009 film.

@34 – I like that perspective on “These are the Voyages,” but I also think he knows that while they intended it to be an homage or valentine to the end of 18 years of new Trek on TV…it was not only unsuccessful in conveying that effectively, but it was also a slap in the face for the actors and the characters. I imagine by the time they figured that out, they had no choice but see it through anyway.

I, too, love this cast…and the DS9/VOY casts. There was another thread somewhere about a return to TV in mini-series form. Honestly…merging the three casts for a mini-series arc would be awesome and a good way to satiate our taste for new Trek on TV without launching a new series right away. I say bring it on! “Conspiracy” Parasites anyone? Accidentally brought back by Titan crew? Think about it… :)

jas_montreal
August 12, 2010 9:38 am

Oh please Frakes… stop bashing Nemesis. It was a good film. It just came during a bad-time in the trek-franchise. I’m sure if Frakes directed the movie, it would have resulted in the same box office blunder.

andrew
August 12, 2010 9:45 am

I love these guys, love Frakes, but come on, dude, don’t cry typecasting. It’s real, but it’s not like it can’t be overcome.

How long was Shatner typecast and eventually moved into other things that won him awards?

DavidJ
August 12, 2010 9:51 am

Recently saw Nemesis again, and even though the Shinzon plot is still as dull and generic as ever, it’s still worthwhile just to see the cast together one last time.

And hey, if nothing else it’s still more entertaining than any of the SW prequels. lol

Harry Kim Cardassian
August 12, 2010 10:21 am

First of all, First Contact is BETTER than ST2009 in it’s storytelling. Which is thanks to the directing (Jonathan Frakes) Every time I see the Vulcan Captian pull off his hood and say “Live Long and Prosper” I choke up.

ST 2009 had more than 3 times the budget of ST FC. If the studio had given Frakes that kind of money you would have seen a truly EPIC movie for sure.

Imrahil
August 12, 2010 10:25 am

Lose the hat, Patrick.

weyoun_9
August 12, 2010 10:55 am

OMG…First Contact with ST2009’s budget. The Borg Lens Flares alone! Seriously…it was incredibly done with the budget it had but I can’t even begin to imagine the scope!

They’ll get back to the Borg eventually and I can’t wait to see what that looks like with the technology and money they might have available when that happens.

"Check the Circuit!"
August 12, 2010 10:58 am

“These are the Voyages…” wasn’t a great episode any way you look at it. But I think it is unfairly maligned because of TNG-crossover. The fans cried “This is the finale of Enterprise! Why are Riker and Troi here???” I think they were missing the bigger picture…it wasn’t the finale of Enterprise, it was the final of “modern era” Trek on weekly television. The end of an 18 year run…and the Next Generation started it. THAT’S why the crossover made sense.

The closing line? “Computer, end program.” Heartbreaking and brilliant. And the closing sequence with 3 captains and Enterprises over the classic intro….? Can’t remember how many times I watched that over and over. It was a great “valentine” to ALL of Star Trek.

The fans and actors of Enterprise (the least successful of all the series) need to get over it and stop bashing the finale. IMHO

Holger
August 12, 2010 11:31 am

Very interesting to read Frakes’ thoughts on These Are The Voyages. It shows that Frakes has a very good sense for Star Trek and what its fans like – unlike B&B at that time.

CaptainDonovin
August 12, 2010 11:47 am

These guys are nuts, love ’em.

Enterprisingguy
August 12, 2010 11:47 am

That episode was AWFUL!! The so-called valentine would have been if we got to actually SEE Archer make the speech. Instead we get “end program” from wishy-washy Riker. If we were to actually see this episode in the context of what was transpiring during “Pegasus” there’s no way people would buy into Riker pulling a Barkley and hiding out in the holodeck. The ship is stuck inside an asteroid with Romulans waiting outside and Riker thinks it’s a good time to go wring his hands over what to do by peeling carrots with T’Pol for awhile? REALLY? That episode did a great disservice to not only the ENTERPRISE cast, but the character of Riker as well.

CaptainDonovin
August 12, 2010 11:47 am

^ I meant the TNG guys are nuts, btw.

Buzz Cagney
August 12, 2010 11:48 am

Perhaps I’m not the most discerning person on the planet but what the hell was so bad about Thunderbirds?
I enjoyed it, and more importantly the gang of kids that I took to see it enjoyed it tremendously. Job done!
Frakes has had a bad rap about that film imo. He is a very accomplished director.

Buzz Cagney
August 12, 2010 11:51 am

#46 I had exactly those same thoughts when i saw it. Thanks for reminding me- i’d managed to blot it out! lol

Al
August 12, 2010 12:26 pm

It peed on a legend, that’s what was wrong with it.

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