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Reminder: See Star Trek Nemesis Tonight w/ Herman Zimmerman in West LA August 28, 2010

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Conventions/Events/Attractions,Feature Films (TMP-NEM) , trackback

The STAR TREK Simply Spectacular Saturdays at the Royal Theater in West LA wraps up the Next Generation era with a showing of Star Trek: Nemesis on the big screen, along with special guest production designer Herman Zimmerman.


See A Generation’s Final Journey with Herman Zimmarman

Saturday night Laemmle Theaters (in conjunction with Ledjer Film & Theater services and presents the fourth (and final) film of the Next Generation era, Star Trek: Nemesis. See Riker and Troi get married, Captain Picard go for a buggy ride and face his own clone, and Data find a long-lost brother. The Enterprise E and crew say goodbye on the big screen Saturday at the Royal Theatre in West L.A.

Star Trek Nemesis trailer

As we do with each film, the screening is proceeded with a Q&A session and tonight I will be talking with Herman Zimmerman, who headed up production design for the six Star Trek films (Star Trek V – Star Trek Nemesis) and four Star Trek series (TNG, DS9, Voyager & Enterprise). Mr. Zimmerman helped define the look for the Star Trek in three centuries.

See Star Trek Nemesis on the big screen with special guest Herman Zimmerman at the Royal Theater in West LA tonight Saturday August 28th


Updated schedule

UPDATE: The guest for the 2009 Star Trek movie will be composer Michael Giacchino .

Date Film Guest
August 28 STAR TREK NEMESIS Herman Zimmerman
(TNG era production designer)
September 4 STAR TREK (2009) Michael Giacchino


What: Star Trek Movie Series

When: Saturdays at midnight in July-September (see above schedule)

Where: Laemmle’s Royal Theatre is located at 11523 Santa Monica Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025, (310) 478-3836 

Tickets: $10 for general admission. You can buy tickets at the box office or online at


1. bo - August 28, 2010

I will be there. This is the best of the original series. Great effects, story, acting….what more could you want in a movie!!!

2. Jim Nightshade - August 28, 2010

HAHA Bo I was just thinking I wonder how many will actually show up to watch Nemisis on the big screeen again….it was on BBC America last night and i turned the channel…I was expecting an episode of tng….I turned it back to bbc at 11pm when they actually did have an episode of tng on hahaha…

Truthfully the Wedding part wasnt bad and parts are watchable….kinda

but out of the whole movie series this is the one I would least want to go to…oh well hehehe

3. schnotty - August 28, 2010

The nemesis trailer was friggin righteous. I was bummed to find out later that the music wasn’t Jerry’s work for the film, but Danny’s work from Planet of the Apes. Much like the new 2009 movie, I thought the 3rd trailer music set a tone that the film itself didn’t quite live up to. (Although I still enjoyed both films)

4. GaryP - August 28, 2010

Worst production ever. Gross green and purple. The movie overall was just depressing and bloated. Bloated Data. Bloated Worf. Bloated Riker. And a depressed, sullen Picard. The more I watch it, the less I like it.

5. Phaser Guy - August 28, 2010

The first half of the movie is pretty boring, but once Picard and Data escape from Shinzon it’s pretty exciting.

6. philpot - August 28, 2010

actually i remember the Nemesis buzz was quite good – the trailer looked like a return to First Contact style action and grittiness and the saucer crash at the trailer end was impressive …Berman saying it felt or looked like a Ridley Scott movie…..and the fact it was an even number (although that rule never held any water for me as i always considered III to be great)

when i eventually saw it it was obvious they just ripped off Star Treks II (vengeful villian with a grudge specifically against the captain…shots of the crew prepaing for battle….nebula battle messing up ships systems…countdown to destruction averted by death of science officer who has planted his memories in another – theres even abit of TWOK Horner-esque music where Data says ‘goodbye’ as Picard gets beamed away), Trek III in the last 5 minutes (absent friends…revelation another holds the science officers memories) and VI (supposed final voyage….approaching peace with a sworn enemy…ship that can fire while cloaked…multiple ship battle) the whole film had pretty much the same story structure as Trek II

plus there was riker booting the baddie off into oblivian (“I…have had…enough…of you!”) from III…and the Ent in spacedock at the end as TMP spacedock theme played

i guess you could look at it as a ‘greatest hits’ trek movie homaging the previous ones but its really just a rip on the best films in the hope to produce another great one and hoping the fans dont notice

7. philpot - August 28, 2010

oh and John ‘Gladiator’ Logan writing it generated a good buzz too – as did getting an ‘outside’ director (like Trek II)

it wasnt all bad though – i still prefer it to Insurrection (but not Trek V)

8. Kweeg - August 28, 2010

This movie makes ST5 look like gold.

9. philpot - August 28, 2010

ST5 IS gold!

10. Vultan - August 28, 2010

I watched this on BBC-A last night. It wasn’t quite as bad as remembered it to be. But I agree with philpot that it’s sort of a collection of Star Trek’s greatest hits. Strangely, the only thing I found distracting about it was Michael Dorn’s bloated appearance and the weird thing they did with his voice. But it’s good to see that old Dorney has trimmed down again… perhaps a bit too much (vegan dieting must be torture).

11. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - August 28, 2010

Nemises to me was ok. it had some great action scenes with the Big E fighting the simetar and a few nice scenes with Data and some with Riker and Troi. But overall the story was weak. The Fx was pretty good though. All in all I say Nemises was number 10 of all of the Trek Movies. With Trek 5 being in last. But with any Trek. Even bad Trek is good Trek.

12. Bucky - August 28, 2010

are the videos / interviews from the TNG flicks going to be posted?

13. Sean4000 - August 28, 2010

I liked Nemesis a lot more after seeing it a few times after its theater run. The Enterprise-E is my favorite Federation vessel and Scimitar is my favorite alien vessel from any series or film. I wish there was a nice model kit of the Scimitar it would look ferocious on my desk next to my Asylum Ent-E!

14. Seany-Wan - August 28, 2010

This crew deserved a better ending than this. For Jonathan Frakes to openly bash it is very telling… Star Trek V is light years better,

15. bo - August 28, 2010

Trek 09
Final Frontier
Search for Spock
First Contact
Voyage Home
Motion Picture
Wrath of Khan
Undiscovered Country

16. Jeff O'Connor - August 28, 2010

I liked this movie. *ducks another hail of bullets*

17. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - August 28, 2010

#16. I will find you and get you in the Agoniser Booth for a peroid of at least 24 Hours for saying such a thing.
I thought Nemises was ok to.

18. Radioactive Spock - August 28, 2010

I don’t care what anyone says: This is a great action/sci-fi flick. It might feel a little off, when compared to other Trek installments, but that makes it refreshing to revisit every once in a while.

19. MikeTen - August 28, 2010

I thought Nemisis was Ok, they just went overboard with the clone stuff.

One would have been enough but you have Shinzon and B4. All we needed is a clone of Worf and riker and we would have a complete set.

I would have rather seen Sela and Lore return. Sela would have made more sense wanting revenge on Earth for her being half human and Lore just wanting revenge in general. It would have been funny if Lore was just acting like B4 to trick the crew, kind of like the movie “The Usual Suspects”. Oh well, missed opportunities.

20. Gorn - August 28, 2010

@ 15. bo

Thank you! I thought I was the ONLY one who thought that VI was slightly better than II. I mean, don’t get me wrong, Khan was epic in every sense of the word but Country just had that and then a little more. Also, I thought that Nemesis was better than V, but that’s just me. [hoping I don’t get shot when I walk out of my house]

21. Red Dead Ryan - August 28, 2010

I think “Nemesis” is a better film than “Insurrection” and better than what the box office would tell you. But it is a seriously flawed film, like “The Final Frontier” was. I think with better editing and fewer wtf scenes (mental rape, Riker kicking the Reman guy down into a chasm at the bottom of the ship, yet another Soong type android when Lore would have worked brilliantly) the movie would have worked better as a whole. I think the problem was Stuart Baird. I don’t think he understood Star Trek and I do think he looked down on it with cynicism and thought he knew better than the actors. And as others have noted, “Nemesis” tried to be another “Wrath Of Khan”.

Having said that, the performances were good as usual. I really enjoyed the scenes between Shinzon and Picard. The dune buggy scene, while silly and kind of dumb, was fun. The wedding scene was great, with nice cameos from Wil Wheaton and Whoopi Goldberg. The visual effects featuring the space battles were well done, though a bit dated now. The highlight for me was when the Enterprise E was out of weapons and Captain Picard had to distract Shinzon. He called upon his own experience for tactical advantage over his younger nemesis. The death of Data, for me, made a lot of sense. He always wanted to become human, but knowing that it was impossible for him to physically become one, he did the ulltimate human act: self-sacrifice to save his friends and fellow crewman. And seeing the Enterprise getting repaired in Spacedock was pretty cool. I just wish that we had gotten to see Riker board and take command of the Titan.

22. Seany-Wan - August 28, 2010

Is it me, or does the beginning of Nemesis look & sound EXACTLY like Transformers: The Movie (1986)

23. Paul - August 28, 2010

I really enjoyed this film. The battle scenes were great (I know, here come the flames about ST is not really about such shallow brutality) and it was just plain fun. The most fun I’d had since First Contact.

24. Bucky - August 28, 2010

This movie is certainly better than Insurrection. Like Picard ramming the Scimatar with the Enterprise? That was total gold.

25. AJ - August 28, 2010

Tom Hardy, as evidenced by his work in, and since, “Nemesis,” is a major up-and-comer with bags of talent.

I believe the ‘Kool-Aid’ that competition stole some of the fire of this film, but I also think that Trek on TV, rapidly dropping in popularity due to Voyager’s perceived mediocrity, also doomed this one to its low ratings.

The story itself is reasonable at start, regardless of DATA clone number 2 and dune buggies, and the overall arc of our characters is faithfully moved along, with some nice moments thrown in (and nicer ones edited out). But somehow, it’s the story that ultimately disappoints in the end.

Always good for a lazy weekend re-viewing, however. I hope with the master of Bermanverse production design on board for the show, we get some more insight into the ‘evil’ Stuart Baird and his flawed film.

Please re-release this one with those deleted scenes put back in.

26. sean - August 28, 2010

Nemesis was bland in the extreme. It’s unbearable to watch, even on TV. Picard is so far out of character I’m surprised Stewart even agreed to it. And it’s the second TNG film in a row that just pretends Data’s emotion chip never existed. Why bother developing a character when you can just hit the reset button? Ugh.

27. Vultan - August 28, 2010

Well, since no one has mentioned it yet—I think something should be said about Herman Zimmerman’s wonderful work in the Trek universe. I mean, Deep Space 9—it’s a beautiful thing to behold. Can’t believe how that menacing Cardie architecture grew on me over the years, but it did.

28. THX-1228 - August 28, 2010

I am surprised none of the people behind these star trek screenings has thought to ask Bob Orci about attending, seeing as how he is a frequent poster on here.
Definately would be a great guest to have for the Star trek 09 screening.

29. Phobos - August 28, 2010

ST Nemesis is one of my favorite movies, and one of the reasons is the music.

30. The Constable - August 28, 2010

Nemesis…bad taste…mouth…

31. mikeypikey - August 28, 2010

#22 , hey it does look and sound eerily similar, but don’t worry, Transformers: The movie (1986) is much better.

32. Mr.Scotty - August 28, 2010

They couldn’t pay me to watch that trash ever again

33. Phobos - August 29, 2010

@30 Ah come on, remember these great moments:
– Picard and Data in stellar cartography, Data realizes what’s going on moments after Picard.
– Enterprise uses multiple blue quantum torpedoes
– The Romulan bird helps Picard, he is all surprised as he was expecting a gang up against him.
-“Shinzon, I am a mirror for you as well” meaning it is never too late to be good, and he has it in him.
– Picard/Data escape the scimitar, Riker beams them mid flight and warps away just in time.
– B4 learning to sing, referring to Ep1 is TNG when Data met Riker in the holodeck and was learning to whistle. All meaning that B4 was going to be the rebirth of Data.
– When Data jumps through space, grabs onto the Scimitar and saves Picard, says “Goodbye”. The sounds were hypnotic.
– The Romulan senate in the beginning and the cool music while the movie zooms in on the Senate.

Excellent movie. How that only made like 42$ mil is beyond me.
I suspect it was franchise fatigue and fans taking things for granted.

34. Phobos - August 29, 2010

And by the way, the Blu ray of Nemesis is far more spectacular than the DVD, so if you guys don’t have it, I strongly recommend it.

35. Phobos - August 29, 2010

Actually I just checked, Nemesis made wordwide: $67,312,826

36. The First Son of Krypton - August 29, 2010

I loved Nemesis!

My top 5 Trek Films
1.Trek 09 (Nothing will top the excitment nor the fact I felt like a kid again for some time)
2. Nemesis
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. Wrath of Khan
5. First Contact

37. Paulaner - August 29, 2010

Some good moments but, as #4 said, it was overall depressing, contrived, bloated and tired. The actors didn’t believe in what they were doing. No shine, no freshness. Out of the theather, I thought that Star Trek was in serious need of a long resting period and a totally new crew at the helm.

38. - August 29, 2010

I saw a 45 minute youtube review of this movie that was ten times better than the movie.

Things that sucked for me in nemesis

b-4 – more embarrassing than Data after he inserted the emotion chip.

The buggy chase – Captain Picard becomes captain Kirk

The mind rape – Picard ask Troi to suck it up some more just like Picard never would.

The fight scene between Riker and Shinzons mentor, where the heck did that come from and it was lame.

The wedding scene, cold and unromantic, why not have a nice garden wedding or church wedding via the holodeck.

Data’s death scene – no emotional resonance whatsoever, and this from the team that gave us the death of Kirk.

B-4 whistling a tune that Data used to letting us know Data was not really dead. Dear Lord so much set up for such a lammo payoff. Hey guys data did not really die. Given he was a machine surely he would have a backup of himself at anytime.

And overall the film was boring. So bad.

I remember them boasting that they had the screen writer from gladiator and thinking does anyone remember that the gladiator script had to be rewritten as it was not usable?

Nemesis was a dog of a film not just a dog of a star trek film.

39. Phobos - August 29, 2010


I totally disagree. It was very good.
By the way, Data did copy over all his memory engrams in B4. They did not seem to assert themsellves but that could be easily done in any future movie.

As great as ST: Future Begins was, the only strong bad feeling I have against it is that it may have sabotaged all future projects with the TNG, VOY, DS9, ENT actors. I am sure most of those actors are starting to realize that now.

40. Phobos - August 29, 2010

That being said, in my ST FB prequel comic, it explains that Georgi was one of the maker’s of Spock Prime’s jellyfish ship; and Data was at the helm of the Enterprise and had a battle with Nero before he crippled the Ent while its shields were down then entered the black hole. And then the movie starts there. So THERE IS a possible link that could be reopened there should Paramount decide to.

41. - August 29, 2010

My point is not that he would upload to b-4 but that he would have long had a system in place and that would not be some hard to get around technology.

It was a bad film but even bad films have their fans. For most of us it was mega bad and two hours of our life we would prefer back.

The film wasn’t a little bit bad, it was absolute rubbish and painful to sit through and that opinion is consistent with most who have seen it. The worst star trek film of all.

And that is saying something after the final frontier.

But i respect your right to enjoy it.

42. Phobos - August 29, 2010

Thank you for respecting my right to enjoy it.
And, right now, I am inserting the Nemesis DVD into my laptop to watch. Senators!… *music*…

43. - August 29, 2010

I loved the opening sequence of Star Trek 09 but i would have loved to have seen a tie in with the comic and seen Nero have a fight with the next gen crew where he completely wipes them all out.

This would have established the power of Nero’s ship when up against other current technology and added weight to Kirks abilities when they brought the Narada down.

But they would never take the risk with characters like that.

I know it would have taken away from the excellent way Kirk was introduced into the universe but it would also have just felt so right to see TNG crew go up in flames after the lame way they killed off kirk.

44. Phobos - August 29, 2010

The lawns of the Romulan empire senate grounds in the intro are impeccable, and everything is so clean. lol

45. Phobos - August 29, 2010

@43. I know, I know, it would have been a great sign of respect to the TNG team. I agree with you.

46. Phobos - August 29, 2010

wait a sec… I dont agree with the part “wiping them all out”. I would have liked something more along the lines of “disable the Enterprise, but Data saves the ship”.

47. Phobos - August 29, 2010

I just counted them. After Diana was able to give Worf the exact position of the Scimitar, the Enterprise fired and landed 9 quantum torpedoes (blue, most powerful ones) and then 2 aft regular red torpedoes. And even at close range the Scimitar only lost its cloak momentarily and was shook up.

In comparison, in First Contact, the Borg sphere was destroyed with 4 quantums (if I recall correctly).

Conclusion: The scimitar is one badass ship :)

48. - August 29, 2010

Wiping them all out as some form of punishment for killing off Kirk in Generations may seem harsh but i share with you some Klingon wisdom.

“Revenge is a dish best served cold”.

49. Phobos - August 29, 2010

“And it is VERY cold in space…” (Khan)

50. Vahe - August 29, 2010

Herman Zimmerman is my neighbor. Lol.

51. Phobos - August 29, 2010

I personally am against killing key characters. In ST Future Begins, killing Amanda Grayson (Spock’s mother) was a big mistake. A dramatic moment perhaps, but ST is a franchise and now they slightly crippled the Spock character long term.

52. Phobos - August 29, 2010

@50 Cool
This article says Zimmerman was a production designer. What does a prod. designer actually do? Music? Sets? Writing related? a bit of everything?

53. Chingatchkook - August 29, 2010

I did like this movie, but I would agree with others here in that the Next Generation crew deserved a better send off. I certainly hope that at some point we might even see it.

54. P Technobabble - August 29, 2010

I haven’t seen NEM since it came out, and I can’t remember a single scene from it. But I do remember thinking the film was a giant switch of TWOK. It seemed like the writer(s) took TWOK and copied it beat for beat, changing it just enough to make it different. And I remember feeling terribly disappointed and let down at the end of it.
I could appreciate that Paramount wanted to bring in an outside director, but Stuart Baird was not the best choice. Allegedly, even the cast weren’t happy with him, and later claimed Baird didn’t know anything about Star Trek or their characters.
In the end, it is a shame this film marked the end of the mixed bag of TNG films. It was a fine tv series, but it never really made the transition to the big-screen very weil, IMO. “First Contact” was the definitive TNG film, while the other films were mediocre to disappointing. The people who made TOS films seemed to have a much better understanding of how to bring that show to the big-screen, and had much greater success.
It could be argued that if NEM had been a different, better film, the TNG cast might still be making Star Trek movies.

55. CmdrR - August 29, 2010

Nemesis was dullness with dunebuggies. Also, could someone set a rule as to how fast starships can cross the universe and how far their sensors can see? Parts of this had the feel of “Lost in Space” in its disregard for any kind of science-sense. (Red matter? Diff’ discussion.)

56. Dr. Image - August 29, 2010

For the record:
NEM is NOT a better film than INS!
Or STV, for that matter.

57. jas_montreal - August 29, 2010

I think JJ Abrams and etc… are trying to re-write Star Trek history and forget about the past. I for one… will never forget the past movies. WRATH OF KHAN is still the gold-standard for Trek movies. PERIOD. The other Trek movies are just trying to be a wrath of khan. Nothing will ever match the beauty of Trek 2. Still the greatest revenge movie of all-time.

58. Phobos - August 29, 2010

@57 OK then maybe Paramount should bring in Nicholas Neyer for Star Trek 3. He did ST II and VI with record low budgets. I suggest him because 1) he has already said he would be interested 2) the current writers love being overloaded with projects, so chances are they will continue to be that way after they are finished ST 2012 (unless it flops, then all of Hollywood will ignore them).

59. jas_montreal - August 29, 2010

@ 58

I wish Mr.Meyer would participate, but sadly its up to JJ Abrams and co. And regarding Trek 2012 being a flop or not…. I think we saw Transformers 2. It was critically a flop, yet still made money. Sadly, in hollywood, if it makes money, then its a HIT. I still think their treating movies like a fast-food restaurant in hollywood. Its very sad. Christopher Nolan has given me some hope in this dark hollywood world.

I do wish Mr. Meyer would return and give us something to remember. Lets hope !

60. sean - August 29, 2010

Much as I loved Herman’s work on previous outings, a lot of the set design on Nemesis was embarrassing TV movie stuff. The Romulan Senate was absurdly small and the Scimitar was just a series of endless Dr Who corridors. It seemed like there wasn’t much thought put behind any of the design or story elements, really. Even the actors look bored.

Zimmerman is a great designer, however. His work on DS9 was fabulous.

61. Jo Jo - August 29, 2010

Crap! This is Awesome & I’m trapped on the east coast!!
Can’t wait to see video of his presentation.
Really good sf film unfairly maligned, like the original Trek movie.
Jealous of all you fans getting to check this event out!

62. William Kirk - August 29, 2010

After Trek 09, Nemesis looks like gold to me, but I stil don´t like it. Herman Zimmerman was a great production designer and did fantastic job on Star Trek.

63. Red Dead Ryan - August 29, 2010

I hope for the next movie the writers don’t kill off any more characters, except posssibly the villain(s). But even then maybe they should consider keeping the villain(s) alive for a future story. It would be something different. Maybe the sequel could have the bad guys win and the Enterprise and Federation lose. Neither the Federation or the Enterprise would be destroyed obviously, but having an emboldened foe remain out in space even after a conflict is over would add some realism (sometimes the villain(s) or enemy(s) do win) but also adds a new dynamic to the storytelling process and adds suspense. Not everything should (and would, for that matter) be all neatly wrapped up in two hours or so.

All I know is, killing off popular characters (Tasha Yar, Spock, Kirk, Jadzia Dax, Data, Trip Tucker, Amanda Grayson) and foes (Khan, Kruge, God-Creature, Chang, Soran, Borg/Borg Queen, Rau’fo, Shinzon, Nero) has been done to death.

64. CaptainTrekkie - August 29, 2010

This movie would have been good with:

1.) not so much violence
2.) Data not dieing

65. Ceti Alpha 5 - August 29, 2010

You couldn’t pay me enough money to see that train wreck again.

66. robero - August 29, 2010

If only the Trek production team of the time had posessed clairvoyant abilites and had forseen the end of their version of Trek. The last ‘Next Gen’ movie could have been about the last days of Romulus and a pre-tattooed Nero, a somewhat similar story to ‘Countdown’ but with the entire crew as they were pre-Nemesis. It could have been both a prelude to ‘Star Trek’ and a stepping off point for Picard and the gang. As it is though, it only occured to me on a recent re-watch how much of a flowing sequel ‘Star Trek’ is to ‘Nemesis’, with the Romulan themes in both movies.

67. Darryl - August 29, 2010

I have that movie poster, framed, and hanging over my desk. I look on it as a reminder every day, that should I ever meet Stuart Baird, I must kick him in his twig & berries.

68. Phaser Guy - August 29, 2010

I liked the movie, but the killing off Data really felt tacked on.

69. philpot - August 29, 2010

66 – maybe if the writers get too stumped on what to do for a sequel or 3rd movie they could just make Countdown into a film – itd be awesome

70. Red Dead Ryan - August 29, 2010


If the writers are still trying to figure out an idea for the sequel, then the film is really in trouble, and relying on a comic book won’t save them.
According to Bob Orci, a script is being written right now. So I would have to think an idea has been found and that the writers are now fleshing it out.

71. David Stoeckel - August 29, 2010

I LOVE STAR TREK:NEMESIS!!! I think it’s a Great Film. The Action Scenes were Great, The Reman Viceroy(played by Ron Pearlman) was One Scary Villian, Shinzon was Scary, The Argo was COOL, and I loved the wedding between Riker and Troi. I know some fans got upset when Data got killed off, But I knew they would find a way to bring him back, and they did(Star Trek:Online and the Comic Book Star Trek:Countdown) in the form of the Data Matrix in B4. Nemesis is a Great Movie. Star Trek V has got some good things, too.

72. P Technobabble - August 29, 2010

I highly doubt Nicholas Meyer would ever be involved in the new Star Trek films. Of course it sounds like a good idea to fans who love TWOK and TUC, and feel a debt of gratitude for everything Meyer brought to Star Trek. But I think Meyer really belongs to the TOS-era film-making orientation, and is not quite suited to the newer version of Trek. Certainly, anyone can argue the point, but I seem to recall even Meyer thought he would not be suited for NuTrek. I am a great big fan of Meyer — his books and movies — but I don’t think we will see him involved in the new films.

As for the script for the new film, I wouldn’t be surprised if a rough first draft is already done. A little time away from it while the boys consider one of their other projects, then they’ll go through it again with some fresh, bright eyes. These guys are pros. I’m sure they know what they’re doing.

73. Hugh Hoyland - August 29, 2010

#72 I agree, I thought at first he might be an interesting choice, and on his DVD comments for TWOK he did say that if offered the chance he supposed he would. But like yourself, Im not sure his style is really suited for the new phase that TOS is going through. And I checked online a while back, and if Im not mistaken he hasnt directed a film since the late 90’s. Now I dont know if that would have a negative effect on his directorial skills, but that is a long stretch inbetween directing movies.

74. Damian - August 29, 2010

I enjoyed Nemesis. It was not a perfect movie and was released at the worse possible time, opposite at least 3 blockbusters. But I also liked Star Trek V and Insurrection. I always judged my movies based on whether I had a fun ride. They were all fun to watch. A few were blockbusters and a cut above the rest. But I have never experienced a bad Star Trek film.

Herman Zimmerman was the one guy I wished the Abrams team had kept on. First of all, there would have been no brewery. He designed the Enterprise A for William Shatner and adjusted it for Nicolas Meyer for Star Trek VI. He would have given Abrams what he wanted while maintaining continuity with the other films and shows. As it was, with all that I liked about Star Trek (2009), the production design was a sore spot for me. There was no consistency with the rest of the Trek universe. Everything looked completely different. Apologies to Chambliss, his sets would have been good for any other show, they just did not work for Star Trek

75. Lore - August 29, 2010

And people wonder why there will be no more TNG movies with comments like these. Ten years later and it hasn’t broken 70million. Did it ever break even?

Confession: I read nothing in advance of the release of Nemesis. I watched this movie in theaters six times.

76. Devon - August 29, 2010

^^Noticing some insecurities with those who have to put Trek XI down to make Star Trek X look like something worth while.

Jas – Hollywood has always worked that way. These are corporations, not charities.

77. Vultan - August 29, 2010


“Hollywood has always worked that way. These are corporations, not charities.”

Somebody better tell Christopher Nolan then. I mean, the guys makes movies that are cerebral and make loads of money—hmm, sounds pretty charitible in today’s Hollywood, especially to the audience.

78. Hugh Hoyland - August 29, 2010

I must be the only one that doesnt have a problem with the Enterprises engineering section. I think I know where they were coming from on that one.

79. Douglas - August 29, 2010

When I saw Nemesis in a theatre I remember thinking this is the end of trek, it’s so boring. I found myself looking at the costumes, ships and photographic compositions because the plot seemed like a television episode seen too many times. When one of the actors portrayed anger or yelled something there were pauses afterwards you could drive a truck through. The movie theatre was 3/4 empty and I looked at my watch several times planning the rest of my day. It was sad and I felt trek had outlived its time. When I accidently saw it on TV recently all I could think of was what a waste of money and time. Studio greed and lack of creativity buried this group of actors who inspired so much.

80. Ran - August 29, 2010

@ 72

Meyer is an artist, JJ is a business man. These days, nobody cares about the artistic aspect of a movie. As long as it makes money for the studios. When challenged by the readers of this site, one of the writers (I think is was Bob Orci) replied along the lines of “The movie made money therefor it is good.”

81. Red Dead Ryan - August 29, 2010


Have you watched any of the Pixar films? Those are great examples of art and business being able to exist side by side.

82. Ran - August 29, 2010

@ 81

I am referring to the new team of JJ, Orci, Kurtzman, etc, etc….

83. jas_montreal - August 29, 2010

@ 80

I think its a sad reality we must face. We must learn these aspects of the industry and stop supporting these huge block-busters and start supporting indie/undeground films.

***But lets not call Boborci part of the problem. He’s just doing the job that’s been given to him. The industry wants boborci to follow a certain recipe/plan in order for the show/movie to be a HIT(make money). Its not Boborci’s fault. He’s an artist, who sometimes has to be a businessman also. Its the bureaucratic mentality that’s been ingrained in Hollywood and America and Canada too ! Let’s step back and stop supporting these big-blockbusters and start supporting Indie Movies ! This is what the whole post-modernism movement is all about people ! Support Indie/underground movies. Those are films in their purest art form.

84. Anti-Matter - August 29, 2010

Will the video for the Nemesis Q&A session be posted, like the others? I enjoyed watching all the TOS-film sessions back-to-back, and I now need to catch up on these TNG sessions.

Co-incidentally, the trailer for our Nemesis fanedit went online shortly after this article, so it’s interesting to now see all this newly-generated buzz about the movie. Eight years later, people are still passionate about why they like, or don’t like, Star Trek X.

I’ve included a link to the trailer on YouTube.

85. Anthony Thompson - August 29, 2010

12, 84.

A fan videoed those TOS film presentations; it wasn’t planned or arranged in advance. So the lack of them for the TNG films probably indicates that he didn’t attend / film them.

86. Nemesis4909 - August 30, 2010

There’s something that everyone seems to overlook.

Nemesis is a very good science fiction film because it does something most of the Star Trek films don’t do, it doesn’t assume prior knowledge of the franchise. So what they put together was a sci fi action film featuring the Next Generation cast. Insurrection (while a very good Star Trek film in my opinion) wouldn’t draw non trekkies because it is a Star Trek film which is unfortunate for box office returns.

I imagine for Nemesis this was intentionally dialled back to make it more accessable to newcomers, while this failed financially it was a good effort. I enjoy Nemesis there are some good Next Generation moments in there and some good Star Trek moments overall.

Look at it at its basics really, it has 2 main characters, supporting characters, a villain, an action packed story and an ending that wraps it up nicely. It’s wonderful in its cinematic simplicity really.

To my mind the reason that TOS worked better in the cinema is because of the way the actual show was put together. The three main characters were Kirk, Spock and McCoy and the rest were there for support so this could easily be translated to film without having to give every single character a massive spotlight, TNG was an ensemble show where all of the characters were given the same attention which for a 2 hour film makes it difficult to give them all something to do. Insurrection manages this but non fans hate it because of that.

Nemesis manages to succeed as a sci fi action film because it is NOT Next Generation if that makes any sense.

87. P Technobabble - August 30, 2010

80. Ran 83. jas

I believe people attend movies based upon their own preferences, and their own first impressions of a an ad, a trailer, a preview, and so forth. I believe most people think, “That looks like something I’d like to see,” or “That doesn’t interest me at all.” I do not believe, in most cases, people immediately look to see which studio made the film.

Indie films still require money to make them. Often, the amount of money spent on an indie film is a tremendous amount of money for the people making the film. This is why so many indie film-makers turn to those “corporate” studios for distribution deals, trying to get that film out to the world so it can recoup the money it cost to make — and hopefully make a profit so future movies can be made.

Supporting indie movies is a noble cause, but A) how would you find out about such movies without some kind of advertising (more money); B) indie movies are not necessarily any better than “corporate” movies, so some of them are not worth the film-stock they are shot on. I’ve seen some good indie films, and some lousy ones, but everyone will have their own subjective opinion about what they like or don’t like.

I have said before, I don’t think any artist (including the “blockbuster”-makers) sets out specifically to make money. Ideas, stories, plots, characters, visions come from that mysterious urge to create — which doesn’t care about money –, and are then developed by the artist. Once that work is finished, the artist hopes his/her work will be experienced by many, many people. Again, this may not specifically be about money, but money helps the artist make a living and continue doing what he/she loves to do.

We don’t live in a Trekkian, utopian world. It costs a lot of money to make things happen, whether producing a movie or just paying your mortgage. Art for art’s sake is a splendid, idealistic point of view, but it cannot sustain itself without making some kind of return. “Corporate” studios depend on creative people to make movies the masses will want to see. If a studio presents movies that continuously flop, that studio will be closing its doors. This is the way of the world. We may not like it, or approve of it, or wish it were some other way, but it is what it is. Just my 2c, of course…

88. Damian - August 30, 2010

#87–I think you nailed the issue on the head. Paramount expects a return for their investment. JJ Abrams delivered. I liked the story and the actors. I noted issues I had with the set design and the shaky cam, bright lens flares and quick cuts. But that is what sells. JJ Abrams had an established style, so it should come as no surprise the type of movie he created. I liked all the films, but my favorite will always be The Motion Picture. Partly this is because Robert Wise is one of those types of directors who paid attention to detail (some fans consider too much detail). I always loved Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick films, so my fondness for Star Trek: The Motion Picture fits what I like in other films.

In a sense, Star Trek: The Motion Picture is the anti Star Trek (2009). It is the polar opposite in almost every way. Movies today do not excite me to a great degree. I am not into the whole real life, hand held camcorder moviemaking that is popular today. I go to movies to escape real life, not watch something that looks like it could be on the evening news. That being said, Star Trek (2009) was good enough in it’s story and acting, that I was able to overlook some of the things that I did not care for as much. On a good note, it made Star Trek as a whole relevant and popular. Maybe some of the new fans will decide to check out some of the earlier films and shows. You can be a Star Trek fan without people thinking you are some sort of geek anymore:)

89. Frederick - August 30, 2010

After watching Nemesis I could only hope to throw up in my mouth a little, which would be better than the aftertaste that the movie left. And it could have been so different.

90. Peeps - August 30, 2010

ST: NEAR MISS is the reason why Paramount finally got rid of Berman and its a glaring example of his incompetence.

1. The phasers shoot like blasters from Star Wars (WTF?)
2. They ripped of TWOK and TSFS!
3. They ripped off Mad Max (and violated the prime directive while doing so)
4. Data dies and has an out so he really isn’t dead.
5. Data sings (I’m so sick of him singing- he sucks balls) again…

Just one of the many abhorrent scenes in this abomination.

91. Damian - August 30, 2010

#90–Some of the same could be said about Star Trek (2009)

1. Almost all the special effects look like Star Wars
2.Similar themes to TWOK (the whole vengeance thing with Nero, insect down the throat instead of in the ear, doomsday weapon)

3.I liked Mad Max. Somehow I don’t think that was what Stuart Baird was thinking here though.
4.I liked Data. I was glad he really may not be permanently dead.
5.You got me there. I thought his singing sucks too.

Berman may have been wearing down toward the end, but was competant enough to realize this by bringing in Manny Coto on Enterprise (who many fans here feel redeemed Enterprise in the Star Trek world) and was going to shift gears with the next movie before Abrams was brought on board. He did give us some good years on TNG and DS9, as well as First Contact, certainly one of the better movies.

92. Horatio - August 30, 2010

With the exception of a certain Lucas film, clones are cinematic death.

Just a thought.

93. Dom - August 30, 2010

End of the day, Berman was producing the film and Stuart Baird was a hired hand. Baird won’t have had that much control over the screenplay. The film was a dog before he came on board.

Nemesis had a bad story premise and a bad screenplay. With foundations that poor, it would have taken an auteur with a free hand to rewrite to make something of it.

Stuart Baird gets attacked regularly, but I suspect it’s more a case of the TNG ‘family’ ganging up to blame the outsider for their own failings! If you want a new direction, then take it: they chose to hire a non-trek writer and director, then regretted it! Blame the producers, not the hired help!

94. British Naval Dude - August 30, 2010


Bad start. Bad end.


Tha’ middle bits are grand. Taken just as a movie in upon itself, I think it wuz’ rather good. But then, I make gin outta’ me own pee.

Shinzon wuz’ an interestin’ villain and his wantin’ ta’ talk ta’ Picard and get ta’ know his DNA daddy wuz’ neat ta’ watch…

I seen tha’ deleted scenes and they should have stayed in… made tha’ “farewell ta’ tha’ TNGers” better and woulda’ made tha’ film more warm and fuzzy…

Shoulda’ shown Riker flyin’ away in tha’ Titan and yellin’ “Suck on this, baldy!” as he pressed a button which made B4 turn inta’ tha’ emotion-racked Data from “Generations.”

And dunna’ shuttiecrafts have transporters Data coulda’ used? Guess I’d swan dive too inta’ space iffi’ could…

Did I mention I make me gin from me pee?


95. Enterprisingguy - August 30, 2010


That’s a great trailer for your fan edit.

I look forward to seeing it. I’m sure it will be as amazing as your STAR TREK: The Motion Picture edit was!

96. Lore - August 30, 2010

Someone could have made a fortune selling rotten fruit, vegatables, and eggs for the audience to throw at the screen. At least based on these comments.

97. British Naval Dude - August 30, 2010


Why be it bad that it wuz’ inspired by that Khan film? That be a good thing.

For once, tha’ TNGers got a movie… not an eppie-sode…

Shinzon wuz’ a great villain, more complex than tha’ face-peelin’ guy or tha’ Clockwork Orange bloke, or tha’ sexy robo-lass…

But… tha’ weddin’ and tha’ Data death were atrocious…

Like an Orea that fell and bounced on me mildewy, dirt covered floor, tha’ middle bits o’ Nemesis were sooooooo good… despite bein’ sandwiched by poo-covered crud…


98. British Naval Dude - August 30, 2010

One last post…

In this film, that thar’ mechano man Data becomes more o’ a person than e’er afore… Whilst Picard wonders that, if Shinzon be just like me, then am I capable o’ becomin’ Shinzon? And Data- yes, Data!- consoles him and tells him what maketh a man, more than yer’ DNA… tha’ student has become tha’ master and Data be almost human!

Then, like any moronic human, Data jumps inta’ space when he coulda’ used a perfectly good shuttiecraft wit’ a transporter in it.

Such is life.


99. P Technobabble - August 30, 2010

88. Damian

I am also a huge fan of Wise, Hitchcock and Kubrick with regards to their directing styles. Each of these directors presented their stories at a much slower pace than more modern films, which is why, I think, they appear as more detailed. Modern films do seem to be appealing to an ADD crowd, with their relentless pace. Yet films that are more “laid back,” and tend to move at more realistic speeds are often criticized for “dragging,” or “lethargic.” I would contend there is even an argument that indie films fall into this category — and I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. But the “Hollywood blockbuster” seems to be synonymous with relentless pacing, action, explosions, and so forth… qualities that apparently sell, yet are open to severe criticism.

100. Lore - August 30, 2010

#38 Regarding Data having a “back up copy” of himself. Since no one had ever been able to duplicate the technology in Data’s Posatronic (sic) brain, it is logical to assume that there was no back up since the technology did not exist any where except with himself, Lore, and B4.

101. Vultan - August 30, 2010


I agree about the more leisure pace of some indie films—which is a good thing! I just rewatched “Swingers” recently, and it was refreshing to see a comedy without an ADD-style drive to fit as many forced jokes into the movie as possible, a total lack of toilet humor, and without the cutesy music constantly accentuating every move a character made—and this being a movie from way back in 1996! “Swingers” was funny (and cool) because it took its time and let the jokes and story unfold naturally. In other words: “It was money.” ;)

102. Damian - August 30, 2010

The closest current director that I can think of that equates to a substantial style would probably be Paul Thomas Anderson (Boogey Nights, Magnolia, There Will Be Blood, etc). He definetly has his own unique style of directing. M Night Shyamalan would be another, but his last couple have not really caught on in general.

Certainly, Abrams has his own style, which is why fans (including myself on some issues) who want him to slow it down a bit and decrease the lens flares are only dreaming. That is his style of moviemaking. And in all honesty, that is what sells and what people these days want to see.

103. Disinvited - August 30, 2010


Count me in on the huge fan tide.


I love TMP. My only lament is that it doesn’t seem possible to fully restore it to its former glory and Wise had hoped that Paramount would eventually upgrade his Director’s cut so that it would be the only one that exists. I like them both. Maybe it’s just a case of you always remember your first?

104. trekboi - August 30, 2010

i loved nemisis- it wasnt a broad story & was cold in places but also sharp in places.
saw it 8-10 times in the cinema- twice in one day with different friends
people were unnecesarily hard on it.

105. trekboi - August 31, 2010

I Just read all 104 comments that were up when i opened this story & still can’t believe the venom for Namisis 8 years on!
There was a lack of fun in the film & yes it relied on some TWOK style vengance but it also had some haunting & dark scenes as well as some great action scenes, the E ramming Shinzon’s ship was epic, i realy felt the ship scream as it tore into it-loved it as much as the Saucer crahs in Generations!

I do think the original idea patrick rejected, that shinzon was his son would have resonated differently & made the climax so much more intense- no matter how F*&#ed up he was u would have wanted Picard to save his son not be forced to kill him.
Shinzon’s life was tragic & u kind of wanted him put out of his misery- i didnt cry for him but i would have cried for picard killing his son.

All the trek films were good-even 5 & Insurrection had a lot of light hearted character moments inspite of uninteresting threats ect

I Love Star Trek: The Motion Picture because of its pace & expansive universe, 5 because of its heart, Generations because it examined mortality & Nemisis because of its darkness
First contact isnt my favorite because although its a good action adventure it doesnt have anything deeper happening to ponder on repeat viewings
My Ranking of the Star Trek films

1- Star Trek 2009
2- Star Trek 1
3- Star Trek 2
4- Star Trek 6
5- Star Trek 4
6- Star Trek 3
7- Star Trek: Generations
8- Star Trek: Nemisis
9- Star Trek 5
10- Star Trek: Insurrection
11- Star Trek: First Contact

106. Phaser Guy - August 31, 2010

It was yet ANOTHER Trek story where the ship barely survives the end battle. Just once I’d like to see the end of a Trek movie where the Enterprise doesn’t limp home scarred up from battle.

107. Damian - August 31, 2010

106– I was just glad they did not destroy the ship. After it rammed the Scimitar, I thouht for sure, here they go, they are going to destroy another Enterprise. I was glad to see it in drydock getting refit again.

108. Jason - August 31, 2010

Why did they have Herman Zimmerman there of all people, because he was the only one (aside from the actors) who tried to do their best, despite a very bad TWOK rip off script and a director who seemed like he was picked because he walked past Rick Berman at the right moment. Hell, even the late great Jerry Goldsmith sounded like he was bored on this one. They should have had either Rick Berman or Stuart Baird introduce the movie just so they could defend themselves.

As for my ranking, here’s how I feel at the moment :
1. Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek 09
3. Undiscovered Country
4. Voyage Home
5. First Contact
6. Generations
7. Search for Spock
8. Insurrection
9. Final Frontier
10. Motion Picture
11. Banging my head against a wall while listening to the TMP theme
12. See above, but replace the music with Enterprising Young Men
13. Again, see #11 and 12 but the TOS theme
14. For the fourth time, see above but with the theme from Generations
15. Nemesis

109. Jason - August 31, 2010

Why did they have Herman Zimmerman there of all people, because he was the only one (aside from the actors) who tried to do their best, despite a very bad TWOK rip off script and a director who seemed like he was picked because he walked past Rick Berman at the right moment. Hell, even the late great Jerry Goldsmith sounded like he was bored on this one. They should have had either Rick Berman or Stuart Baird introduce the movie just so they could defend themselves.

As for my ranking, here’s how I feel at the moment :
1. Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek 09
3. Undiscovered Country
4. Voyage Home
5. First Contact
6. Generations
7. Search for Spock
8. Insurrection
9. Final Frontier
10. Motion Picture
11. Banging my head against a wall while listening to the TMP theme
12. See above, but replace the music with Enterprising Young Men
13. Again, see #11 and 12 but the TOS theme
14. For the fourth time, see above but with the theme from Generations
15. Nemesis

110. captain_neill - September 1, 2010


How can you put First Contact at the bottom, it’s a much better film than Star Trek 2009.

Star Trek 2009 I do like and I rate it higher than Nemesis but First Contact is so much better.

111. Hat Rick - September 1, 2010

My Roddenberrian observation: Like fine wine (and most people), all Trek movies improve with age. :-)

Even the best get better. And the least-best improve as well.

112. Vultan - September 1, 2010

My Trek film rankings:

Cream of the Crop
1. Wrath of Khan
2. First Contact
3. Undiscovered Country
4. Voyage Home
5. Search for Spock
6. Motion Picture

Movies I’ll watch when nothing good is on TV
7. Generations
8. Insurrection
9. Trek ’09
10. Final Frontier
11. Nemesis

113. captain_neill - September 1, 2010


Same top 3 as me.

Good choices. Search For Spock is a great movie also.

114. Vultan - September 1, 2010


Thanks, Cap.

And TSFS is a great movie! Commander Kruge is so underrated—another great, over-the-top performance from Christopher Lloyd. “Say the wrong thing, Torg!” Actors take note: that is how you chew up the scenery. And no Klingon dentures are needed. ;)

115. Red Dead Ryan - September 1, 2010

I’m glad to see “The Search For Spock” get the respect it deserves. The movie was always treated like the ‘middle child’ of the “Genesis Trilogy” similar to how “Deep Space Nine” was recieved during the nineties being sandwiched between “The Next Generation” and “Voyager”.

116. Yammer - September 1, 2010

Nemesis is to TNG as Enterprise-E is to Enterprise-D: a refurbishment of an aging vehicle, allegedly souped up with meritricious gadgets that are supposed to seem more threatening and bad-ass, but aren’t, and at the expense of beauty, elegance and wit.

Insurrection taught me to have low expectations for the TNG movies, but as risible, corny, and fundamental fatuous as it is, at least that would have fit in tonally with the beloved TV show, albeit as one of the lesser outings.

Nemesis had been hyped as an epic space battle movie, with exciting action. I too remember the Ridley Scott connection being hyped. (John Logan I was never excited about — the Gladiator scripts are online, and everything good about the writing was put there by David Franzoni. )

Instead, what we got was a shotgun wedding between of the nonsensical (new Romulans called Remans, Remans led by a human, the human is a clone of Picard, the actors don’t resemble one another, Worf is back in his old job) and the boring (B-4, endless speechifying, Data really isn’t dead).

In retrospect, I am not sure that Nemesis could have been a good movie under any circumstances. They were at that point creatively strangled by a cast that was too old to be dynamic as genre film demands, and producers who squelched the new faces — the Next Next Generation of Crusher, Ro, Locarno, Shelby — in favour of keeping the old warhorses to the point where, with Nemesis, cognitive dissonance finally kicks in and you have to ask why Picard is your action hero and Riker is still an XO. TNG was truly over at that point and maybe that is part of why Nemesis leaves such a horrible taste.

117. Yammer - September 1, 2010

115 Sure there is a lot to like about SFS but a lot to criticize too.

First, that it exists at all. It invalidates the pain of Spock’s death.

Second, that it was obviously made on the cheap. Kirstie Alley was out for budgetary reasons pure and simple, her replacement thoroughly uncharismatic. The recycled footage of old models and the Genesis wave is justifiable, but use of the exact same angle and edit for the “Remember…” moment, allegedly as security cam footage, is so jarring that it momentarily kicks you out of the movie. The planet sets were cheese. There is no more sense of scope here than in an average episode of Lexx. Say what you will about TFF, at least it had location work.

Third, Nimoy directed — or allowed to stand — some peculiar performances out of the secondary cast. Takei is absolutely awful, calling attention to himself with his interpretation of suavity. Nichols is just about as awkward in her dealings with Mr. Adventure.

As unjustifiable and not-good a movie as I think III is, it definitely has iconic moments, particularly the death of David and the destruction of the Enterprise, twin tragedies which brought out the most grounded and moving performances that De Kelly and Shatner ever brought to Trek.

118. Yammer - September 1, 2010

And now the list that no one demanded! The three best!

1. Wrath – aside from benefitting from low expectations (the filmgoer’s best friend), spectacular action, unusual scariness, and an out-of-nowhere stunner performance from Montalban, Wrath is a superbly written picture. I mean, a gamechanger, in the quality of erudition and the level of characterization that goes with it; consider McCoy and Kirk’s birthday confrontation, or Khan’s final disparagements. Wow, wow, wow.

2. Trek ’09 – Orci and Kurtzman are derivative here, in the best sense of being obvious fanboys who pulled innumerable easter eggs into their script, along with a solid understanding of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy as powerful and intelligent individuals, though not yet as the three-headed genius that they will be come. Yet that script is not ruled by fanboy sensibilities, but by time-tested “coming of age” story beats, all of it lavishly presented. (Contrast this with Final Frontier, which was all but defeated by its jokiness.) Those who don’t like the lens flares miss the point of why they are shown; they are shown because, like the overlapping dialogue (e.g. the opening scene), they impart a sense of naturalism and groundedness to hoary outer-space antics.

3. The Motion Picture Director’s Edition. The DE is necessary, improving the visuals (which are ambitious to begin with, and the main draw of the film artistically), and better pacing its longeurs. Meyer says that Wise “made a meal” of Trumbell’s effects, but so what? That spacedock scene is pure geek-treat and one of the most exciting moments this kid ever had at the movies.

119. captain_neill - September 2, 2010

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