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Jonathan Frakes On Enterprise Finale: Not Our Finest Hour September 14, 2010

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,ENT,TNG , trackback

Jonathan Frakes successfully went from playing William Riker in front of the camera to become a director behind the camera on Star Trek and much more. In a new interview Frakes reflects on his directing career and his controversial return to the role of Riker in the Enterprise series finale.

 


Frakes on return to Riker and directing

It seems that whenever you ask someone involved with the "These are the Voyages", the series finale of Star Trek Enterprise, they usually don’t have the most positive things to say. One of the most controversial parts of that episode was bringing in Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes to set up a framing story using the TNG era holodeck. And in comments to the official Star Trek site, Frakes agrees saying:

It was sold to me by Rick (Berman) as a “valentine to the fans,” and it was anything but. It was, I think, one of his rare mistakes. It didn’t work on so many levels. I don’t think the Enterprise cast was happy to have us. I’m frankly not sure the fans wanted to see us there. It was great, obviously, to be with Marina again and a lot of the crew were people I’d worked with on Next Gen. So the fun part was there, but the legacy of it… I don’t think it was our finest hour.


Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis in "These are the Voyages"

Frakes also talks about how Star Trek stardom comes at a price in terms of typecasting, but also gave him a second career as a director. 

Thank God I learned this second craft. I really don’t know how I’d be supporting my family. I’d be looking for another kind of gig. (Frakes’ wife) Genie (Francis) isn’t working the way she used to and my peers as actors – at least from the Star Trek guys, with the exception of Patrick (Stewart) – are struggling as well. Some of it is by choice, granted, some of it is just by the double-edged sword that Star Trek has been for all of us.

For more from Frakes visit startrek.com.

Frakes continues to be busy as a TV director and is currently working on his second episode of The Good Guys. If you missed it, Fox released this fun behind the scenes video from Frakes’ first time director for the show.

 

Comments

1. I'm Dead Jim! - September 14, 2010

If only they could invoke the magic of time travel… for real!

2. Terran_Guy - September 14, 2010

I liked Frakes as Director and Actor, and I loved the Riker character but i hated TATV. It sucked, and didn’t fit at all.

3. Barry Muntington - September 14, 2010

Is this news?? I’m sure I’ve read this all before somewhere.

4. Michelle - September 14, 2010

The only part of TATV that was good was the three Enterprises at the end. The rest BLEW. It was awful. Hence why in my head it does not exist. ;-)

5. MC1 Doug - September 14, 2010

I despised the fact that the ending gratuitously killed off Cmdr. ‘Tripp’ Tucker (I am happy that the novels have ignored that “fact”).

AND like most fans, I don’t consider the send off proper… ‘Terra Prime’ made a far better resolution for the series.

6. Kevin from Akron - September 14, 2010

#3 I was thinking the same thing. #4 Three Enterprises? Are you sure you are talking the same ST series? Or maybe it was so awful I forgot how it ended!!

7. "Check the Circuit!" - September 14, 2010

I think there is consensus on this issue. Time to move on perhaps?

8. Daniel - September 14, 2010

I’m in the vast minority that thinks that TATV is a much better than average episode of ENT. And in general I like ENT.

9. trekpower.org - September 14, 2010

They should have made a real finale to the “berman era” with a special 2 or 3 part – series. not about an old story, because it was obvious, Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes were a few years older. They should have created a crossover of all the series. THAT would have been a “valentine” to the fans. but i do understand mr. bermans intention.

10. Captain Lonestar - September 14, 2010

Am the only person in the galaxy that enjoyed actually enjoyed ST: ENT? I liked it MUCH better than Voyager and especially DS9. If Star Trek was the Wagon Train, and ENT was How the west was won…. DS9 was the Cowtown….. And Voyager was the Trail of tears….

11. CaptainDonovin - September 14, 2010

I am among the few that really enjoyed ENT, even some of the episodes I’ve seen get bashed by everyone else but like Michelle said a few posts above – the only thing I liked in TATV were the three E’s. The studio/network was in a hurry to kill it & you could tell watching that ep.

12. Captain Conrad - September 14, 2010

Don’t worry John, hopefully the next Trek Series will be animated and you could provide a voice

13. AC - September 14, 2010

Even though Troi and Riker were “older” and Riker was “balder” and “fatter” and Troi was “baggier” and had a little bit of a “belly” and lets not even talk about how they totally got her makeup wrong and hair TOTALLY not right style OR her accent, I actually liked how they used the Enterprise-D. I think it should have gotten a “Special Guest Star”. All those sets had to be rebuilt. They got a few things wrong. The conference room and quarters were slightly smaller scale, as was the computer Arch. But it was nice seeing an old friend after 12 years or so alive and well and not crashed on Veridian III. I also liked seeing the TNG uniforms again. None of the uniforms since have been as fun.

14. trekboi - September 14, 2010

i loved the idea- it was a happy valentine to this fan- maybe they could have used a better more important episode to revisit but i loved that era of trek that started with the next ger ending there & it put the nx in the next gen’s universe/history
but they could have let trip live…

15. Rich G - September 14, 2010

It was silly to try to jack into the story of “The Pegasus”. If they wanted to include Riker and Troi could’ve more easily (and logically) pulled out the ‘new’ Starfleet Bridge from “Lifeline”, called it the bridge of the Titan, and said Riker had to look back to the Romulan War for some inspiration on dealing with the post-Nemesis Romulan situation.

16. Rich G - September 14, 2010

Oops, make that the bridge from “Message In a Bottle”.

17. Charley W - September 14, 2010

The main problem with the last episode of Enterprise is that, quality of writing aside, basically it ends up being an addenum to an old episode of Next Generation, and it just doesn’t work as that. It tries to jump 100-whatever years in one shot to a time 10 years in the past of the real world, and then have the best of both on the cheap. A Next Generation framing would have been fine, but should have allowed for the 10 years (how about it being the anniversary and Riker & a pregnant Troi watching a retrospective and at the end deciding to name their son Jonathan Archer Riker?).

18. andrew - September 14, 2010

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19. Horatio - September 14, 2010

I think that the TATV episode was a nice idea for a mid season regular episode – but as a series finale????????

And the inexplicable reasoning for killing off Tripp….

Aye yi yi….

But as someone above alluded, pretty much everyone agrees it was a nightmare.

20. P Technobabble - September 14, 2010

It is a shame how ENT ended, particularly when it was starting to get some legs. The final episode was an utter disappointment, and I still find it hard to believe it was even filmed. A more clever solution on Tucker’s part would have made the episode a bit better, but killing him off was just lazy. The whole Riker/Troi thing was a totally mediocre attempt to crossover the two series. TATV was a valentine with an arrow through its bloody heart…

21. Chuckunit - September 14, 2010

Not really Frakes’ best hair day, either…..

22. I'm Dead Jim! - September 14, 2010

I think most of us fans can get together and agree that TATV was NOT CANON, if only there was a vote on the matter.

23. Author of The Vulcan Neck Pinch for Fathers - September 14, 2010

Frakes is rapidly becoming one of my favorite Trek personalities for his honesty and frankness. I had long since given up on Enterprise by the time TATV rolled around, so I can’t comment on it directly, but that Frakes acknowledges that it was an error is refreshing.

24. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - September 14, 2010

You know what made TATV really sh*tty?

That damned holodeck.

All those years of doing TNG-era shows, and all those sh*tty holodeck episodes…how could Berman NOT think a holodeck-centric episode was a bad idea? I mean, come ON. Archer and the rest of the ENT crew weren’t even in TATV, technically; only their computerized images were.

25. Losira - September 14, 2010

I agree with the rest the finale was horrible. As far as I’m concerned it did’nt happen right? The ending should be after the romulan war mini series. The charter signed. Trip ALIVE! But again great new Manny coto adventures ould have gone on. A real dissappointment as Frakes felt the ending was.

26. Troubled Tribble - September 14, 2010

It was a fitting ending for a series that went from good to ludicrous.

27. "Check the Circuit!" - September 14, 2010

Maybe people would have been happier if it wasn’t labeled as an Enterprise episode. Might have been a cool surprise to expect to hear that awful Rod Stewart wannabe vocal theme after the teaser, only to find that it was replaced by TNG theme…credits and all. The cast of ENT would then be listed as guest stars at the beginning of Act 1. So at the end when Riker shuts down the holodeck and says “end program”…it really is the end of STAR TREK on television after 18 straight seasons, not Enterprise.

Then everyone wouldn’t have been crying about it NOT being a proper ENT finale.

(I just choose to think of the ENT finale as the previous 2-part episode. TATV really was meant as a STAR TREK finale…IMHO.)

28. Matthew - September 14, 2010

Enough about the damn finale already.

29. Holo J - September 14, 2010

The Final ENT episode could have worked as a mid season episode and without Trips needless death. It was a nice idea to have the cross over it just NEVER should of been the final episode.

30. Brandon R - September 14, 2010

#6 Not sure if this was answered for you, but the very last part of TATV was the ships and the Captain’s Log. The Enterprise D flew off and Picard said “Space the final frontier, these are the voyages of the starship Enterprise, her continuing mission…,” then it wiped to the original Enterprise with Kirk saying “…to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations…” and then finally got to the NX-01 with Archer saying “…to boldly go where no man has gone before.” Then the NX-01 flew off into space and the show ended.

31. Brett L. - September 14, 2010

Agree with 29.

Nice idea and I understand the intent. Berman and co. were trying to write a finale for 18 years of Trek on T.V (their “era”). I can see how it might have seemed like a nice bookend to the franchise on paper, but it completely disrespected the ENT cast and the more developed finale they deserved.

32. wi-kiry-lan - September 14, 2010

If Berman make rare mistakes – they must be epic and all encompassing. (#1 Hire Brannon Bragga :-) )

Ent fans complaining about what a failure the final episode was is kind of like star wars fans lamenting how childish the modern prequels were and ignoring the 1979 Holiday special. The problem was there from the beginning.

Enterprise was disastrous as a prequel in terms of continuity, and as just another Trek series more of the same droning Voyager style scripts. It wasn’t good science fiction, or good drama, it was just more merchandising topped off with a tone deaf “valentine”.

I agree with any posters that thought the holodeck should have been set post nemesis. (Even though Nemesis is in that same “does not exist” place for me that TATV exists in for many of you ENT fans. Together they made a double whammy franchise killer.

33. Thorny - September 14, 2010

TATV was a lousy series finale, but at least ENT got a finale (TOS didn’t, and “Turnabout Intruder” was far from TOS’s best work, even in the third season). The story wouldn’t have been too bad if it had been a season finale, setting up a storyline about Trip’s faked death so that he could infiltrate Section 31, as the novels “undo” it. Go a few episodes into Season 5, and then SURPRISE!, there’s Trip. BSG did something like that with Starbuck a couple of years later.

Any Season 5 should have jettisoned about half the ENT cast, but Mr. Trineer wasn’t one of the show’s problems. Promote Archer to the Admiralty and find someone with personality to take over the Enterprise. Dump Malcolm and replace him with Shran (Jeffrey Combs). Dump Mayweather and replace him with… well, it wouldn’t matter, any character would have been an improvement. Either give Hoshi a backbone or send her back to Starfleet Command. Put an end to Dr. Phlox’s house of horrors he calls “Sickbay”.

These things really should have been done in Season 2.

34. Joe T. - September 14, 2010

I agree that Trip’s death was unnecessary and added nothing to the quality of the story or the series finale. I also agree that the episode was good otherwise, but not as the finale. I personally just came to regard the final 2-parter as the series finale, and TATV as a kind of epilogue to the franchise as a whole.

35. fityap - September 14, 2010

Watching the Riker & Troi bit again out of the context of the episode also reminds me just how completely whats-her-name forgot how to play Troi.

36. THX-1228 - September 14, 2010

Frakes really is a excellent both as a television and feature film director, it would be really cool to see him helm a movie again.
You cant deny that First contact is one of the top 3 trek movies ever made.
And clockstoppers for what it was is pretty decent as well.
Even Thunderbirds while it has its flaws, has its enjoyable moments.

37. Steve Zarich - September 14, 2010

Hey that Spencer Garrett is that crewman Tarsus from the 4th season episode of Star Trek TNG: The Drumhead. – The crewman who was being drilled for being part Romulan – Just thought I would throw that in there.

38. Robert H. - September 14, 2010

Enterprise’s finale was among the worst I have ever seen. I can see looking back from the future of how Archer began the Federation, but the whole concept of using the Next Generation episode Pegasus was one of the worst ideas of them all.

The segments that were 22nd century, I can see. Even sadly Trip’s death. But how it was executed, god they should have brought JJ Abrams in for that episode, then they wouldn’t have made it so bad.

But the whole Riker/Troi thing needs to be burned. I still cannot see how Riker, knowing his trepidation over what he was doing and about to do, would need to see how the end of the NX-01 and the formation of the Federation to convince him to tell Captain Picard the truth. Even the interaction of the NX-01 crew made no sense for Riker or Troi.

If he was reviewing the recreation of the final mission of the NX-01 for facing the future as he becomes Captain of the USS Titan, and us seeing the Titan as seen in the novel, THAT I could have seen. Not that crap.

39. Victor Hugo - September 14, 2010

I mean, how could the holodeck know about all those things?

40. Kev-1 - September 14, 2010

Finales are great when they wrap up/revisit logical plot points — TNG beginning and ending with Q — but too many just pile on revelations/effects/stunts as if making up for what should have happened during the previous episodes. I’d take a good, solid, quiet finale over a can-you-top-this “blockbuster” anyday. In Enterprise’s case, the show made no real progression towards the Federation’s creation until the last year, but they probably assumed they had two more.

41. Zebonka - September 14, 2010

It’s like he wants to apologise even though it isn’t his fault.

42. MikeTen - September 14, 2010

I would honestly like to hear what rick Berman thinks of the episode and fan reaction to it. He has been very silent since Paramount/CBS let him go.
In my opinion things started going very wrong when Mr. Berman started putting his input into stories, wasn’t he hired to keep Trek on budget?

43. Dan - September 14, 2010

I actually liked the episode “These Are The Voyages…”, with the exception of the fact that it was the final episode of “Enterprise”. So, in order to forget that fact, I consider the next-to last episode to be the real finale, and I just look at TATV as a mid-season “sweeps” stunt.

44. DeShonn Steinblatt - September 14, 2010

A fitting end for a terrible show.

45. BenAvery - September 14, 2010

#15 said “If they wanted to include Riker and Troi could’ve more easily (and logically) pulled out the ‘new’ Starfleet Bridge from “Lifeline”, called it the bridge of the Titan, and said Riker had to look back to the Romulan War for some inspiration on dealing with the post-Nemesis Romulan situation.”

Quoted for Truth.

46. The Original Spock's Brain - September 14, 2010

The 4th season was so good; then this mess left a bad taste in my mouth.

Riker was a character that grew on me over the course of TNG, so I give Frakes’ acting a lot of credit for that.

47. bill hiro - September 14, 2010

Its a tribute to Frakes’ likeability that the Riker character got better as TNG went along because Frakes started playing Riker increasingly as himself.

I hate to hear that his non-English co-stars are struggling though. Hollywood is pretty brutal on talent past a certain age. Its a shame the TNG cast couldn’t save their penultimate fumble and go out on a high note like the original series cast were able to. Insurrection and Nemesis back-to-back was tough.

48. Another Q - September 14, 2010

I wanted ENT to be the Trek that TNG & VOY couldn’t
be. A return to the original-like stories from TOS, with
a larger budget & better special effects. I was disappointed
from the moment I saw the NX-01, the time frame,
the “phase pistols”, the gas-propelled torpedoes,
the costumes, and Scott Bakula trying to play a bold
new captain we haven’t seen before. Didn’t care for
the uniforms either… Berman ruined almost every
episode and put the final nail in the coffin with TATVs.

And I really wanted it to succeed….

49. chrisfawkes.com - September 14, 2010

Riker should have been the Kirk of TNG but he became placid very fast. A nice guy helping the captain.

I never saw the last episode of Enterprise but not sure it could have been as bad as Nemesis. Sad that both crews went out on a whimper. Especially given how great All Good Things was.

50. GTA - September 14, 2010

The whole Enterprise series should have been a holo-novel being played by Riker since the series was not good at all. I am a die hard Trek fan from TOS to Voyager but WOW Enterprise really stank, recyled plot lines done badly and stories that totally ignored Trek lore! The only good episode of the series was the two part mirrior episodes.

51. Dom - September 15, 2010

The acting in that clip is dreadful, especially by Marina Sirtis! After JJ Abrams loosened up the delivery of dialogue in his Star Trek film, the stilted delivery of lines in the Berman shows seems horribly dated!!

52. Clinton - September 15, 2010

I guess the best that can be said about having Riker and Troi on “Enterprise” was the crossover crew aspect. That way, you’ve had regulars from a different incarnation of Trek appear in each show/movie after TOS. (If I’m correct, that is).

I come up with McCoy, Spock & Scotty on ST:TNG; Picard and Worf on DS9; Sulu on Voyager; Picard & Riker on Ent; Kirk, Scotty, Chekov & Picard in Generations and Spock in Star Trek.

Hey, I’m grasping at straws here.

53. Damian - September 15, 2010

I was one of the ones that liked Enterprise. However, I also agree with many here who noted the last episode was disappointing to say the least.

You know, to tell you the truth, I think it would have been a good idea to end it on a cliffhanger. A jab at UPN for cancelling it just when it found it’s legs. I would have ended it with the attack by the Romulans that initiated the war. Fans of the show may have been more emphatic about returning it. It probably would not have made a difference, but it would have put UPN on the spot.

I have continued reading the novels through the Romulan War. I would have loved to see those on screen. I also found it interesting the “The Good That Men Do” also had a framing story with Jake and Nog from DS9 that undid a lot of the last episode. Almost like it was a jab at the last episode. Thank you Michael Martin (one of the few times I was happy a novel contradicted something on screen).

54. Tek - September 15, 2010

LOL, ‘one of Berman’s rare mistakes’. You mean, everything he did after around 1998 was just one big mistake, then?

55. Horatio - September 15, 2010

#33 “Dr. Phlox’s house of horrors he calls “Sickbay”.”

LOL!!!

56. Z3R0B4NG - September 15, 2010

What they should have done is Riker and Troi from the USS Titan after Nemesis!
Not screw arround with some old TNG Story that is completely unreleated.

It maybe would have been an incentive to show the Fans that the “Future” is still out there. Maybe it could have made a way for a new Series instead of just ending it like that.

Well, at least we would have seen the USS Titan on the Screen once.

And yes this should have been at least a 2 parter if not a 3 parter.
Hell they could have made a real Story out of it with timetravel and the temporal cold war and what not!

…so much wasted potential.

57. Nemesis4909 - September 15, 2010

52# It was Riker and Troi on Enterprise. With Voyager you forgot Riker who turned up for like 5 minutes and Quark who was in Caretaker.

How many more times is Jonathan Frakes going to say the same thing about that episode? Everything about it has been said, I’ve given up bothering to even criticise it any more because I have absolutely nothing to add.

Nothing against Frakes, I respect the guy a lot but I’m pretty sure I’ve read the same thing about a hundred times in different interviews.

58. hmmm - September 15, 2010

#57 He can’t help it that he keeps getting asked about it. How else is he supposed to reply?

I give him credit for being candid about the whole experience.

59. trekman dave - September 15, 2010

I love all the comments on this board, shows even though some people hated it, it was still watched in the true Star Trek ideal of “hope”. Hope that it would get better, change the ending, etc.

I like the series although there are episodes that I don’t like and other that go nowhere.

When you watch them, and I ask that you try, it should have not been called Enterprise but Archer.

I feel it was about the birth of Captains, how one person, can command this Trek through the stars, and that Gene Roddernberrys vision, drive and weaknesses are encaptured within this character, Archer, and that GR life actions are reflected in Archers.

It was this idea that drove the show, and what I thought were GR worries, thoughts and motivation for the series, and general life ambitions that made Archer and this series great.

The TATV, and the final curtain call of big E’s are a showcase toward what GR achieved and for that reason, I liked the ending.

But the killing of Trip, maybe reflects one of lifes pleasures that you must give up for the greater success, could be? But don’t quote me.

60. ME!! - September 15, 2010

@ 3. Barry Muntington – September 14, 2010

“Is this news?? I’m sure I’ve read this all before somewhere.”

Is that a comment? I’m sure I read that before.

Enterprise had it’s moments just like the other spin-offs of the Original Series. As for entertainment value, of the four spin-offs DS9 for me was the highlight. TNG was great…until I came out of my euphoria of having a second Trek series and I realized it was full of pompous, arrogant jackasses (the characters, not the actors) who treated anyone who wasn’t a senior officer like dirt. Voyager is the weak point. The only things that made Enterprise better than Voyager for me was the feel & excitement of ‘exploring the unknown’ very much like the Original Series (which sadly wasn’t captured well on Voyager) and seeing references to the Original Series via the Orions, Andorians, Telarites, & so on. Voyager had one of the strongest characters of any of those four series in Tuvok. Tim Russ may have been a TNG “reject” (tried for the role of Geordi La Forge), but he shines as Tuvok. He’s one of the only actors outside of Nimoy, Mark Leonard and the guest cast of Amok Time to actually “get it” when it comes to playing a vulcan, unlike whats-her-face on Enterprise who never got it and constantly appeared annoyed and disgusted instead of cold, unemotional and logical. The camaraderie between the casts/characters of DS9 & TNG felt genuine and both had extraordinarily entertaining and well written stories. DS9 might not seem Trek enough to some, but as a series it was great with some engaging story arcs and one of the most wonderfully done, carefully crafted episodes of any of the four spin-offs in Trials And Tribble-ations, the greatest anniversary episode in the history of the franchise and a true testament to the talents of the cast & crew.

The biggest problem all four series suffered from was Berman’s apparent contempt for the fans and continuity. This is most evident in TNG & Enterprise. TNG suffered from it mostly during it’s brief stint at the box office. Berman and his team of producers and writers were more than willing to abandon continuity just for the sake of a specific scene they wanted to include or even a single line of dialog they felt was either funny or witty. To this day, Berman either has no clue or is in complete denial publicly about why ST: Nemesis didn’t do well at the box office. He still holds to the idea that we were all just “tired” of Trek. No, we were tired of YOUR version of Trek, Rick, and your obvious disdain.

Abrams-Trek might not be the perfect Star Trek, but it’s wildly entertaining, honors what came before (Admiral Archer’s beagle? Awesome reference) and brought tons of new fans to Star Trek. Personally, I’m ecstatic Berman & co. are gone. Thank God they were dismissed before they killed the franchise altogether.

61. Jai - September 15, 2010

“It was Riker and Troi on Enterprise. With Voyager you forgot Riker who turned up for like 5 minutes”

Riker turned up on DS9 too, although technically it was his “twin brother” Tom in disguise. Pretty good episode actually, especially as he was the main protagonist.

And I agree that Riker/Frakes became increasingly likable as TNG progressed. He had that vaguely Tom Selleck-ish hairy-faced-and-laid-back-but-charming-and-dependable vibe.

62. rm10019 - September 15, 2010

I think Frankes, Marina and LeVar should make Trek work for THEM, and pitch an animated series featuring some of the 24th Century characters. This would employ many of them AND increase the young fan base for Trek. They are the right people to get this done!

63. Thorny - September 15, 2010

49… TATV wasn’t THAT bad. I mean, it wasn’t “The Way To Eden” awful or “Threshold” terrible or “Profit and Lace” unwatchable. It wasn’t even the worst Riker episode (“Shades of Grey” was much worse.) It just was in no way a finale for Enterprise, with its emphasis on Riker and Troi. It really was a slap in the face to Enterprise fans (the only people who actually watched the episode anyway) just so Mr. Berman could (he thought) relive his glory days (which were far, far behind him by then.) The offhand killing of Trip was stupid, but Trek has a weird history of un-poignant deaths (Yar, Kehleyr, Data) so that wasn’t quite so extraordinary.

Enterprise deserved better. It was the least of the Treks, but mediocre Trek is still better than most sci-fi on TV. Too bad we can’t get CBS/Viacom and NBC/Universal to team up for an Enterprise miniseries on SyFy.

64. denny cranium - September 15, 2010

I think Berman and Braga were burned out by end of Enterprise.
They were probably actively looking for their next gig and just buttoned up the series.
Berman likely has dumptrucks fulll of money and said “rides over”

65. pzpyxeedbvbcu - September 15, 2010

I thought TATV was disrespectful not just on the level of a television show, but in the context of the story. The NX-01 and her crew were billed as legendary to the point of Archer being Kirk’s boyhood hero. Everyone in the Federation should remember Jonathan Archer as a George Washington figure.

Just 200 years later (which is shorter than the time between now and the founding of the United States), graduates of Starfleet Academy and bridge officers of the flagship of the Federation treat the NX-01 as a joke, a museum relic, and don’t know anything about her crew. They make a big show out of how obscure the NX-01 was, even though it was the precursor to their own ship.

Let’s hope our own history isn’t treated with such disrespect.

66. Lt. Bailey - September 15, 2010

Had ENT lasted for 7 years (as I had hoped) and we had some stories dealing with more history to tie in TOS or TNG and not to mention a whole season arc of the Romulan war. Then at the end of the seventh season they could have had something like TATV but without Riker and Troi. Not that I have anything against these actors, just that they should not have been in ENT like that.

ENT needed to end the series with a show that told what each character when on to do. Basicially saying what history has been written about each character and when (sadly) each one died. Thats the kind a wrap up you like to see a series end with, give us some closure.

67. Jeff - September 15, 2010

I’m sure Frakes probably knew going in that it was a bad idea and that the Enterprise actors would be more than a little offended. Imagine Kirk and Spock showing up and hijacking the final episode of Next Generation. Sirtis in particular would have screamed about it to anyone who would listen.

No, the reason they did it was because Star Trek became their primary source of income and visibility in the entertainmeht busness and they couldn’t resist another go-around. Plus it would provide some fresh new fodder for them to talk about at the conventions.

Another thing: That last show was more about the egos of Berman, Braga and the rest of that tired circus than it was about the show. It wasn’t about the show and the cast saying goodbye, it was about Berman and Braga saying goodbye; hence it was made into a Next Generation episode which represented the peak of their success with the franchise. It was completely unprofessional and creatively bankrupt to make that last episode about them and them alone.

68. Disinvited - September 15, 2010

#60. ME!! expoused “…brought tons of new fans to Star Trek.”

I have reasons to doubt the commonly accepted meaning of that turn of phrase. All STAR TREK products out in the market place, even NEMESIS Blu-rays, attract new fans. According to the source often cited for Roddenberry’s benediction of the 2009 effort there were 25 million ST fans worldwide before its release. I’d like to see some hard evidence that the 2009 movie which is airing currently on EPIX, has or is attracting hordes of more “new” fans than any other Trek currently available in repeat airings or on the retail shelves (rental and purchase).

69. Balok - September 15, 2010

Jonathan seems like a real a-ok guy to me…

70. denny cranium - September 15, 2010

66.- Yes Enterprise should have lasted the 7 years. They were just hitting their stride.
The story arcs, the character development was all there.
I believed that Archer turned into a heroic captain. See Similitude.
The episodes with Brent Spiner.
To myself TATV was just “phoned in” in terms of writing.
Killing Trip Tucker was just a boner move on Bragas part- “I had to kill him” I remember reading him say that somewhere.
I did like the end scene where Archer walks out to read his speech.
The 3 ships at the end were great.
A Valentine for the fans? More like a break up via twitter.

71. Damian - September 16, 2010

70–I have to agree with your last line. It did seem like a break up. This was Berman & co’s last Star Trek production after all.

Really a shame in a way. Despite what some fans say here, I liked the Berman created shows as well as the original series. His team gave us some great Star Trek over the years, really too many to list. There were some misses, but by and large, I enjoyed them. I would imagine if given the choice, he would rather have gone out with a bang. Whether he liked the last episode or not, he obviously knows TATV was not popular. I’m sure when they were doing it they were thinking it was the best thing since sliced pie (after all, no one goes into something saying, Gee, I hope this sucks, everyone hates it and sends me hate mail).

72. captain_neill - September 16, 2010

TATV was a terrible way to end Enterprise

It was not a valentine, it was an insult.

The episode does not even fit in with The Pegasus.

It cheapens Enterprise. The Terra Prime two parter was a more satisfying way to end the season.

If only Enterprise had gotten its full 7 years.

67
I agree that they went back to TNG as it was the more successful show.

Enterprise made a few mistakes regarding previous established canon but for the most part I loved the show.

Going through the Star Trek shows its Voyager that I feel has the most continuity problems. Not canon but it mades changes to it’s own continuity.

However, I still enjoy Voyager but I feel it had the most problems.

Enterprise had more potential for great storytelling and season 4 was the one that really took the prequel concept and made it work.

I don’t hate Rick Berman but I do agree with what people said about him, he did stick with what worked in his mind but I still am adament that Star Trek was not dated because of him, just that he should have taken more chances than it did.

The chances that DS9 took in its run makes it stand out more.

Hope this makes sense.

73. captain_neill - September 16, 2010

Now despite Berman’s problems with taking risks I still think there was a lot of Trek done under his watch I would still put above the new movie.

I like risks but I guess destroying Vulcan was a little too far.

DS9 took a risk but having Earth actually being attacked by the Breen, I remember the shock of seeing the Golden Gate Bridge in ruins. It showed how dangerous the Breen were.

Now I agree that destroying Vulcan did deliver that same kind of shock but I felt it was too far because of the importance of Vulcans in Star Trek.

74. Daoud - September 16, 2010

“Not Our Finest Hour”

Ya think?

75. Woulfe - September 17, 2010

TATV – It never happened, ’nuff said ;-)

- W -
* The Star Wars Holiday Special NEVER HAPPENED as well *

76. michaela - September 18, 2010

TATV was the biggest insult for everybody. It doesn’t exist!

77. skyjedi - September 21, 2010

Wasn’t one of Bermans ideas to shoehorn Shatner Kirk into an episode of enterprise?

I mean the Cameo would have been cool and all but it would not have made sense.

78. act sat conversion information - April 11, 2011

Yeah bookmaking this wasn’t a speculative conclusion outstanding post! .

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