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Former Cast Members Try To Save Star Trek: The Experience Sign December 31, 2010

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Conventions/Events/Attractions,Fandom,Trek Franchise , trackback

Star Trek The Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton closed its doors in September 2008 and earlier this year much of the attraction was auctioned off by CBS, but one piece remains. The original sign for ST: The Experience is still up at the Hilton, and some former Experience cast members are trying to preserve it. See the local news report below.  


Saving the Star Trek: The Experience Sign

While there is still hope that there will be a new Star Trek: The Experience built in Las Vegas sometime in the future, it is very unlikely it would require new signage, begging the question as to what will happen with the original sign that is still up at the Las Vegas Hilton. Former Star Trek: The Experience cast members Vernon Wilmer and April Herbert are trying to save the sign. Here is a video report on their efforts from Las Vegas’ 8 News Now.



TrekMovie will keep an eye on this effort and report any updates.

You may also want to check out Vernon Wilmer’s documentary "Star Trek: My Experience" at Here is a preview.


As for if or when there will be a new Star Trek: The Experience, while CBS has said they are committed to creating a new Star Trek-themed attraction in Las Vegas, so far there is now confirmed plans or dates.



1. I'm Dead Jim! - December 31, 2010

Well well well! back!

Good luck with the sign but it is just a sign.

2. xai - December 31, 2010

A charity auction. I’ll start at $20 US.

BTW. Welcome back Anthony and to all…. Live long and prosper in the new year.

3. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 31, 2010

Hey. Welcome back trek Movie. Hey Anthony. How does it feel to be out of the Agoniser Booth. Oh. Great news about the Experence.

4. Wes - December 31, 2010

the problem is that the monorail runs next to the sign and it would be to costly to remove it, and is not worth it in their minds. That is the only reason it has not been removed. The rest of the attraction was gone by late 2008 (I saw the inside of what was left in Dec. 2008, which was only girders and a darkened saucer section of the D)

5. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 31, 2010

So deicated! I love it!

6. Wes - December 31, 2010

the problem is that the monorail runs next to the sign and it would be to costly to remove it, and is not worth it in their minds. That is the only reason it has not been removed. The rest of the attraction was gone by late 2008 (I saw the inside of what was left in Dec. 2008, which was only girders and a darkened saucer section of the D)

7. CmdrR - December 31, 2010

Always good to see the hot chicks enjoyin’ Trek.
I agree the sign’s not the really bestest souvenir. I never got to STTE. Did they sell (affordable) goodies? Nicely made unis, props, and junque?

8. Q2 - December 31, 2010

the problem is that the monorail runs next to the sign and it would be to costly to remove it, an d is not worth it in their minds. That is the only reason it has not been removed. The rest of the attraction was gone by late 2008 (I saw the inside of wh at was left in Dec. 2008, which was only girders and a darkened saucer section of the D)

9. Clock Tower woman - December 31, 2010

Save the clock tower!!

Sorry wrong website…

10. Phil - December 31, 2010

7. CmdrR – December 31, 2010
No affordable stuff. Everything was overpriced, in my humble opinion.
Further, they didn’t make much of an effort to keep the material fresh, so if you visited a couple of years apart, you saw the exact same stuff. That’s what lead to the decline in attendance.

11. Phaser Guy - December 31, 2010

The auction for the Expereince stuff was poorly run. Everything was junk and it was priced too high.

12. April Hebert - December 31, 2010

Hey! One man’s junk is another man’s treasure…;) anybody got a 40-foot high storage unit we can put that thing in? Oh and btw thanks for everyone’s support (especially Anthony—you rock!)

13. Jim Nightshade - December 31, 2010

Hello Commander April always nice to see you posting and thinking bout you and the experience puts a smile to me face……

Since Sheri and I visited there almost every year from its opening, we also loved the Experience….

I like Vernons idea of a plaque displaying its historical Landmark for Trek fans….kinda like the statue of Elvis they have on the property….

Since it is right next to the monorail track and station I doubt anyone is gonna bother to do anything to it, its probably going to stay where it is at for the present…..

14. Vernon Wilmer - December 31, 2010

Thanks Anthony, and thanks everyone for caring enough either way to comment.

#1. Yes, physically of course it is just a sign. But for anyone who loved the place it is a symbol of happier days gone by, it depends on how you choose to look at it. The show was one of the longest running in Vegas history, it certainly at least deserves a place amongst the many other show relics preserved throughout different Vegas museums.

#11. I have to respectfully disagree with Phaser Guy, Alec Peters & Propworx did an awesome job being brought in at the last minute to handle the massive task of selling & auctioning those assets, and absolutely nothing that came out of Star Trek The Experience was junk. Not one little piece.

#9. “Save the clocktower!” LOL… maybe we should track down that actress and have her pander donations with a tin can infront of the sign!

15. Paul Walker - December 31, 2010

here is a question to ponder about the placque or landmark sign …………

Even if we do get the money to have a Landmark sign or plaque made …will the powers that be allow us to permanently display it proudly on their property?

Please discuss …….options

16. T'cal - December 31, 2010

The destiny of ST:TE –

This young man is a genius!!!

17. Andy Patterson - December 31, 2010

And we’re back.

18. OLLEY OLLEY OLLEY - December 31, 2010

Welcome back Anthony :)

and its great to hear from Vernon again :), your videos of the Experience are so funny and yet intimate that I felt that i as able to go to the Experience and even be a part of the the behind the scenes staff.

Thank you so much :)

19. OLLEY OLLEY OLLEY - December 31, 2010

@ 12. April Hebert

Hi Ms Herbert, for me you were one of the Stars of Vernons Experience videos.
If i was 30 yrs younger, I would have a crush on you as big as my 12 yr old daughter has for some guy called Justin Breebar.

Anyways I wish You, Vernon and the rest of The Experience staff a very happy and peaceful New Year :)


20. MJ - December 31, 2010

It is just a basic sign…I am not seeing the big deal with this?

But thanks Anthony for returning finally…you were missed…and even manufactured Trek news like this is welcome after the long absence of anything on this site. Thanks!

21. OLLEY OLLEY OLLEY - December 31, 2010

@20 MJ
It may be just a sign, but it is a site of significance to some Trek Fans.
& as one of Vernons videos demonstrate, the Hilton has memorialized earlier entertainers to the Hotel, like Elvis who also had a huge cultural impact.

Its just a nice way to say, hey! Trek was here too :)

22. MikeTen - December 31, 2010

@16 T’cal, that is the best idea I have heard yet. Disney would be a perfect place for the Experience.

23. Phaser Guy - December 31, 2010

Disney? No, Paramount owns Star Trek.

24. Dac - December 31, 2010

Wow…I went there when I was 11, and being a guy who knows special effects, I still have no idea how on Earth I was transported to the Enterprise. Suffice to say, that experience is something that will stay with me for a long time, and it really, REALLY sucks to see it not only go, but be tucked under the carpet as well. It was really an amazingly place for Trekkies of ALL ages (Aside from walking down the strip, I dont remember being allowed to do anything else in Vegas at that age :P).

Anyways, I fully support anything that saves part of what ST:TE was, and Vernon’s My Experience series is insanely interesting to watch. I just hope we can look forward to something new sometime soon.

25. Dac - December 31, 2010

23. And Fox and Lucasfilm own Star Wars. Your point?

26. Phaser Guy - December 31, 2010

25. Someone said in this thread that the Experience would go to Disney. That will never happen.

27. Phaser Guy - December 31, 2010

And FOX doesn’t own Star Wars anymore. The Clone Wars movie was put out by Warner Bros, when Fox refused to partner up with Lucasfilm again.

28. Vernon Wilmer - December 31, 2010

Thank you again everyone for your positive comments about STTE and the documentary series.

As far as Disneyland goes, (and I told this to Tim Bab a while back,) that’s Star Wars territory. Any future STTE needs to be its own freestanding themed area, not couched in Fairy Princess parades and rediculous talking mice.

29. DonDonP1 - December 31, 2010

24. Paramount used to own “Star Trek”, which is currently owned by CBS. Well, Paramount owns the home media distribution rights for the TV and film incarnations of “Star Trek”.

27. Lucasfilm does indeed own “Star Wars”. 20th Century Fox holds home media rights to the S-Dub films while Warner Bros. holds the home media rights for “The Clone Wars” movie and TV series. Both 20th and WB are the only film studios associated with S-Dub.

30. Red Dead Ryan - December 31, 2010


Actually, Paramount only owns the rights to the movies, as well as merchandise related to the current run of films. CBS owns the rest, including the tv series, books, action figures, models etc.

And I seriously doubt the resurrection of the Star Trek Experience is high on Les Moonves’ list. He is the one who will decide if it will ever happen. Considering how much he hates everything Star Trek (except, ironically, profiting from it, natch!) I wouldn’t hold your breath.

The Experience is gone. For good. Which is a shame, because I never got to go to it.

31. Phaser Guy - December 31, 2010

To be clear FOX never had the rights to Star Wars. They only distributed the movies. A

32. Jim Nightshade - December 31, 2010

Yah I always enjoyed his Take the experience to disneyland video…funny but of course couldnt happen….its too late anyway…..everything that was the experience is gone with the exception of her talented staff and actors like April and Vernon….

As to if or when a new Experience will rise in Vegas….I am also starting to doubt Paramounts enthusiasm for doing anything since nothing is being done….the new 2009 trek movie would have been the best reason for them to start to do something….Vernon, I think someone needs to track down whats is name at neonopolis and try to get info from him what Paramount is really planning on doing with the Experience….Did they pay him off to shut up about it? He was so gung ho yet now we hear nothing….

33. Jim Nightshade - December 31, 2010

And I also want to add that staff and actors like Vernon and April were the actual living breathing HEART of THE EXPERIENCE….without them it just woulda been a museum and a ride….and unless Paramount and a new Experience attract wonderful caring and dedicated people like them, any new Trek Experience would not even begin to equal the first one….

34. RIch - December 31, 2010

Why couldn’t the sign be given to the Neon Sign museum? That would really be a good spot for it and it would still be given attention on the tours that are given.

I imagine that paying for transportation of the sign to the museum could constitute a ‘donation’ to a non profit organization and that may be tax deductible and that could be appealing to someone willing to foot the bill for it to move.

35. Boris - January 1, 2011

Why is this deemed newsworthy? It’s a _commercial_ sign! Star Trek is not a cultural landmark, it’s a money-making franchise. Should we preserve traces of former Apple stores whenever they leave?

36. Paul Walker - January 1, 2011

re: 34

The reason the sign cannot be given to the Neon Museum is simple….The sign is NOT NEON in any way……I belive Vernon already made contact with them and they declined…..

Re: 32

Jim…As to the future of STTE In downtown Las Vegas, I personaly emailed our Mayor and asked if he could offer any new info about Neonopolis’s plan for the NEW STTE 2.0 and he replied….” sorry I have nothing new to share or report on that subject” He suggested I try to contact Mr. Hoshit directly (Owner of Neonopolis to inquire further. I called and left VM for him asking for any new updated info. To date reply has come in to my VM.
Plus keep in mind te bad economy here in Las Vegas where there are numerous projects in bankruptcy status and no money to complete them.

37. Vernon Wilmer - January 1, 2011

Paul I’ve told you a million times, its “Rohit Joshi”. And stop bugging the Mayor.

The idea of STTE at the Neonopolis is dead Jim …Nightshade.

And yes Boris, all traces of former Apple stores should be preserved. Great contribution.

38. Boris - January 1, 2011

All I can say is, the 1990s and the 2000s are over, as is that particular era of Star Trek. Nobody wants to see their neighborhood peppered with old commercial signs from bygone times. It’s like a long-forgotten website which was last updated on January 5, 1997.

39. Paul Walker - January 1, 2011

Re: 37

Vernon…. The only reason I emailed the mayor is because I was asked to do so about 2 months ago by Darn on his Star Trek: Experiece page on TREKSPACE.ORG. He commented on his page that someone should email the mayor and inquire if there was anything new he could share about STTE 2.0 and I accepted the request to see if he had any updates. Which he did not of course. As to yoru comment about “bugging the mayor” I only emailed him once. Lastly as to your comment about STTE 2.0 being DEAD at NEONOPOLIS, I belive you may be correct “it does appear to be dead for all intensive purposes” however I have yet to see anything confirming that fact. My personal opinion on this is straight forward…if Mr. Joshi has not done anything about STTE 2.0 it is due to the high costs of re-building a newer updated version and our horrible economy here (that I should not have to remind you about.) When I last spoke to Mr. John Van Citters from CBS back in Aug of last year I specifficaly asked him about Mr. Joshi’s contract and lack of developments and he (Mr. Van Citter’s) would neither comment yea/nea on his contractual terms of weather or not he still has control of the licence to be the new operator of STTE.

As to the Mr. Joshi’s name being spelled incorrectly my apologizes on that. I can never remember his correct name.

Our club will continue to pursue any information we can garner about the NEW STTE 2.0 and report it here to Anthony if we learn of any new developments on that subject. We will also undertake as I stated before a “New Mission” to “Save the Star Trek Sign” or get a plaque created. as you suggested.

I look forward to yoru feedback Vernon on this…..

40. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - January 1, 2011

I never got to see the star trek experience in LV but watching that video I truly wish I had. If they make another experience around the country some where I will not make the mistake of not going to see it. COME TO CHICAGO WITH THE EXPERIENCE!!!

41. Will - January 1, 2011

“While there is still hope that there will be a new Star Trek: The Experience built in Las Vegas sometime in the future, it is very unlikely it would require new signage,”

Why is that? Is the future a signless future?

42. Boris - January 1, 2011

Wouldn’t a new Experience need a new sign anyway? I believe this particular arrowhead within an ellipse appeared around the time of “Generations”, so it looks dated already. I would choose a more TOS-like sign and font, in accordance with the recent TOS revival.

43. Red Dead Ryan - January 1, 2011

38, 42

Totally agree! The next Experience (if there ever will be one) should focus more on TOS and the new movie. I think people just got tired of seeing the same old TNG-era stuff. Nothing wrong with the TNG era, but they should have had some TOS in there from the beginning.

The next incarnation should definitely have the TOS bridge, transporter and bar from “The Trouble With Tribbles”.

44. Boris - January 1, 2011

I think this is more about nostalgia for the TNG-era than any sign. I’m informed enough to know that fan campaigns rarely matter; it’s all about potential business which can be generated for the studio. Or was there another reason for shutting down the original Experience?

45. MJ - January 1, 2011

@43 “Totally agree! The next Experience (if there ever will be one) should focus more on TOS and the new movie”

Now that I would fly to Vegas to see!

46. MJ - January 1, 2011

@45…provided they did not cover the Budweiser engine room, anyway…my only major problem with Trek 2010.

(Wouldn’t that actually be a horrible [but perhaps irresistible for the financiers of this new Vegas ST Experience] product tie-in if they had the engine room set up as a bar and you could get served Budweiser “Antimatter Beers” from “Dylithum Chamber Taps? LOL)

47. STEXP - January 1, 2011

Wha? Another ST:EXP article?

Then that’s the first cue for 2011 to once again mention the permanent online official archive for Star Trek: The Experience at:

48. Treknut - January 1, 2011

Fantastic to read the passion is still there for this most remarkable destination. Perhaps the Rio will become a satisfactory substitute until the real thing returns… See you all this summer!

49. Vernon Wilmer - January 1, 2011

It was just a quip, Paul… All the work you do is greatly appreciated by many.

50. smxp - January 1, 2011

While I know it will never happen, Disney would be great. Lots of traffic from non-hardcore fans, which is what STTE needs to thrive.

I would be happy to donate to a save the sign fund if there was someplace for it to go.

I loved STTE. I never went to Vegas, business or vacation, without stopping by. I hope it comes back in some format.

51. Paul Walker - January 1, 2011

Re; 49

Thanks Vernon…..I am still hoping you will join us on the 19th of Jan. for our first official club meeting to kick off our 6th year as we will be discussing as part of the agenda the Save the Star Trek Sign project. Your input would be greatly appreaciated. We are also using this oppoertunity to invite Richard Oden to be our special guest as a WELCOME BACK celebration.

The location is: Memphis Championship Bar B Que
1401 South Rainbow Blvd.
Cross-Streets Charleston/Rainbow Blvd.
Time: 6:30 PM
Date: Wednesday Jan. 19th

Sorry for duplicate posts…not sure if first one went thru or not

52. Carol Jean Tillman, D.V.M. - January 1, 2011

Hi to Vernon, April, and Paul,
Just wanted to add my support to saving the Star Trek the Experience sign! Would a petition help sway the Hilton’s stance on saving the sign?? Considering all of the comments generated from this topic, there must be quite a few that would be in favor of saving the sign, both locally here in Vegas and around the whole world. Remember it was a ‘fan campaign’ that helped bring back Star Trek in 1967! So, how about a petition? Or perhaps Clark County or the Las Vegas City Hall may have a Historical Section that may have info on how to do this?

But, I’m a doctor not a historian.

53. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - January 1, 2011

Auction it off to some one who will take care of it. Put it in a Museum!

54. Paul Walker - January 1, 2011

RE: 52

Hi Carol Jean

All good ideas and we will be discussing options at the meeting. Will you be back in town for it? Also I just posted a msg on the Yahoo Group for you to read with updates for our Jan. meeting

Hope you will be there….

Your friend and Captain

55. Clinton - January 1, 2011

Good luck with the sign! And keep us informed.

I loved ST: The Experience and was so sad when it closed. I really do hope it re-opens at its new location (wherever that might be) soon!

I will be in Vegas soon and, for fun, will stop by the Hilton to see the sign.

56. jorDe' - January 1, 2011

I’m glad there is still some Physical thing left to remind everyone of ST:TE. It is missed very much.
I miss the trips to Quark’s Bar for dinner. It was nice to have some place to go In Uniform at other times than just during the Convention.
I didn’t work at The Experience, but those that did welcomed me and I always had fun.

Vernon, and April, you are so much missed.

Some Day, In the future, we will have it again?

57. Jim Nightshade - January 1, 2011

FYI the website the startrek exp archive website has a pix of ME yes ME in it—click on quarks bar then click on dedicated patrons (which is what i was hah) and scroll to the far right u have to zoom in too i am at the far right side of the bar close to the ice machine n borg elevator–that was a couple weeks before they closed-i was waitin for ms april to end her shift that night to say hi–sheris not in the pic cuz i think she was upstairs playin star trek slots hahhah–see my nerdy black electronic digital watch hah–i didnt know they were takin pix that night n i didnt know i was in the archive til i got the cd on ebay—kewel huh–

58. Jim Nightshade - January 1, 2011

Well perhaps Paul Allens science fiction museum in seattle would want the sign if it had to be moved? Then i could visit the sign a few times a year as we live in tacoma an hour south of seattle–

59. Jim Nightshade - January 1, 2011

hmm It looks like if you put in the archive no longer comes up….

the earlier link still works but it looks like it is now…

that gets you to the same virtual star trek experience site…

60. Jim Nightshade - January 1, 2011

If you own the cd for the virtual archive it lets you zoom in and out after clicking on full screen at the bottom..looks like I cannot find the zoom buttons when I click on the full screen at the bottom on the website but clicking on full screen then scrolling all the way to the far right of the bar is about as good a pix of me as if you zoom in…I am there elbows on the table by the ice and borg elevator haha

61. Phaser Guy - January 2, 2011

Why not donate the sign to the Science Fiction Museum in Seattle?

62. Boris - January 2, 2011

52 – I wonder, is it a tradition that Star Trek fans must engage in almost-certainly-useless save-this-and-that campaigns because of all the mythology surrounding the fans’ influence on TOS? Every time something is canceled, there is always a person looking back to the good ole days of the 1960s, when it was the fans who gave TOS another season (with a bit of behind-the-scenes support from Gene Roddenberry, as you can read in Justman and Solow’s book “Inside Star Trek: The Real Story”).

Isn’t that just a waste of time and effort which could be better spent on other television? I’ve seen all of TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9 and the movies at least once, but I also know that the original “Twilight Zone” was a much better show than any Star Trek series, because I’ve seen all five seasons, and I’ve watched many other shows as well. There is no reason to become obsessive about one particular show. Sure, it’s part of my hobby to know that the Enterprise-D is 2108 feet long and that the four-footer first appeared in “The Defector”, but that’s about as proactive as collecting stamps, and I wouldn’t want it any different.

63. Phaser Guy - January 2, 2011

62. I don’t get it either. If they really wanted to save something. They could have saved the Experience itself. Look, the Experience was very cool and all, but it’s over.

64. smxp - January 2, 2011

I guess it’s the good and bad about the Internet. If you see a topic you are not interested in, you have the option of not reading or contributing to it. However, it never fails people who have no interest still insist on taking the time to tell everyone try have no interest.

65. Boris - January 2, 2011

Seriously, let’s NOT save the sign. If there is to be a new Experience, I want a new sign. Who in here would say no to a new sign? Maybe we can have a poll:

1) Keep the old sign.
2) Remove the old sign since we really want a new one.
3) Remove the old sign and keep it that way. Pure fans can find the location even without a sign (Street View).
4) I couldn’t care less.

66. Red Dead Ryan - January 2, 2011


Yeah, they should have a new sign (TOS font, command, science,engineering deltas) on the exterior of the building as the main logo. Keep the old sign inside as part of an exhibit to remind people of the old Experience.

67. Boris - January 2, 2011

64 – you mean you would prefer that CBS sees uniform support, as opposed to a variety of opinions on the subject? Whoever doesn’t agree with saving the sign, don’t voice your opinion so we can keep the old one? Freedom of speech, anyone?

68. Red Dead Ryan - January 2, 2011


“Look, the Experience was very cool and all, but it’s over.”

Yes it is! It’ll be a long time, many years likely, before it comes back.
(Assuming anybody still cares at that point)

Why would anybody risk going into bankruptcy bringing back something that only appeals to a tiny fraction of people during tough economic times?

“Star Wars” is able to do it because it has greater community and corporate support. “Star Wars” has twenty times the number of people willing to pay than “Star Trek” does.

69. Phaser Guy - January 2, 2011

I think some form of the experience will come back. Star Tours is coming back next year with 3D rides. I think the Experience should be a 3D simulator ride.

70. MJ - January 2, 2011

@69. Phaser Guy, do you realized you post here is three sentences long — doesn’t that violate your best practice of two sentences max? You are slipping my friend. ;-)

71. MJ - January 2, 2011

@63. Agree with Phaser Guy. Don’t really see the significance of this sign to Trek history?

72. MJ - January 2, 2011


All who are posting on this thread — please continue posting to the article thread below (this article is 2 articles below this was, and was place on December 17th), as we are now approaching 800 posts and hope to get to 1000 by Tuesday.

DECEMBER 17TH: Sci-Fi Movies Friday: Iron Man 3, The Avengers, Gravity, TRON: Legacy, Paul, POTC 4, Spider-Man Musical + more [UPDATE] ‘

73. Clinton - January 2, 2011


And why is it we’re trying to get to 1000 posts? Don’t see the significance.

74. Red Dead Ryan - January 2, 2011


Because its there.

75. Phaser Guy - January 3, 2011

Will we get a world record?

76. MJ - January 3, 2011

@ 73. Touche! :-)

77. Vernon Wilmer - January 3, 2011

I agree that posting opposing comments seems to be a sport for some people, however they are entitled to their opinion. Personally I hate arguing, but I do think I’ve failed to make my point clearly as I didn’t edit the news segment myself – so I will attempt to do so here.

Why was this story even newsworthy? I honestly don’t know. Contacting the news about this was just a shot in the dark, I’m surprised they even called me. I guess they occasionally just want to break from the heavy stuff to report on something light.

Who cares, its just a sign? Fine, I know the sign only has sentimental or historical value to a relative few, depending on their association with it or their nature. If some readers don’t understand or agree with that significance, that doesn’t negate it for others, and I don’t see how actively trying to belittle it is productive – unless you just thrive on argument.

Specifically, the only reason I made an issue of this sign is because there are several museums in Las Vegas that specialize in preserving & displaying past entertainment signage. This sign easily falls into that category, and some facilities were interested in acquiring it. (STTE was not a store, it was a live entertainment theme park, which yes, did already have both 3D & simulator rides – just clearing all that up for a few of you.)

The problem has been (and this is why I contacted the news) that the Hilton has been unresponsive in the matter, and is likely to just destroy the sign (once they realize they’ve been falsely advertising for over two years since STTE’s closure.) In any other town, fine – but here, it would be a waste to not simply hand it over to a waiting Vegas sign museum that wants it.

Many other comments here have been positive, with good & varying suggestions, but there’s really nothing more that can be done. This is just the Hilton’s latest snubbing of STTE, its fans & crew, and I was simply trying to fight that. My efforts basically ended with the story’s broadcast, and I’m just glad that I was allowed to speak up about it on the local news.

So that’s it – as thorough as I can explain it. I never expected anyone outside the situation to understand or get onboard, so if you’re just here to push buttons, go nuts! I’m sure there are many more arguments left to be posted. As for me, my story has been told and I’m out.

See you STTE kids at Spacequest.

78. Phaser Guy - January 3, 2011

Good luck with your project!

79. Harry Ballz - January 3, 2011

I went through The Experience years ago. I really enjoyed it and fully support them placing the sign in good hands!

80. Phaser Guy - January 3, 2011

I bought a lot of stuff from that prop store they had there. I have a Cardassian PADD framed, and one of those tall glasses that say Quark’s on it.

81. Paul Walker - January 3, 2011

RE: 77

Vernon …very excelent comment and clarifaction on all your points. As I have contacted April and got her view and now I know where you stand on this subject, The USS Las Vegas will continue the mission that you started as I have said previously and will to the best of our ability try to SAVE THE STAR TREK EXPERIENCE sign or your other suggestion get a placque made commorating what was once.

Thank you for getting the ball roling on this originally and I will keep everyone posted on our progress on this mission.

Lastly can you privately email me a list of the muesums you mentioned that may be interested in the sign so I can follow up on that.

Thanks again…

82. Nick Cook - January 3, 2011

I’m in total agreement with Vernon. If you don’t agree the sign should be saved, why do you care? Let the people who do care do their thing and leave it at that.

I personally believe the sign should be saved. Vegas has a long tradition of saving such signs, so why should this one be any different?

Whether you care or not, the Experience meant a great deal to a great many people. From those who visited it, to those who worked there. Those of us who loved the place should be allowed to remember it however we see fit.

83. Clinton - January 3, 2011

Never apologize for following your passion.

84. Jorg Sacul - January 3, 2011

#83 amen!

85. MJ - January 3, 2011

@77. OK Vernon, now that you have provided some details on why I should care about this I have changed my mind and believe that this is a worthy undertaking. You have my full support now, and I do think this is newsworthy. GOOD LUCK ON THIS !!!

86. MJ - January 3, 2011

@82. Yea, OK nick, I get it now. At first glance I did not see what the big deal was over the sign, but now after hearing more details and seeing for myself the passions that some have for the sign, I have changed my mind.

87. MJ - January 3, 2011

@83. Is that what you told Monica Lewinsky?

88. Lt. Bailey - January 3, 2011

Vernon has the right idea, ever time we stay at the Hilton (we get free rooms) and use the monorail to head to the MGM area. We see that sign and I cry each time because it makes you want to go inside for STTE again but, alas it ti not to be as you just get a boarded up wall that has Vernons mark of honor on it. That sign should be saved no matter what as all us fans deserve to have ot preserved.

Vernon and April, sorry to miss you guys last week when we were out there.

89. losira - January 3, 2011

I think somethiing should remain of StarTrek The Experience. if nothing more to remind themselvies just what a big mistake they made. if they wanted to update it, fine but to tear it apart like they did. those pics remain in my head. I do hpe that they can save that sign.Thats all that remains.

90. jorDe' - January 3, 2011

I believe that the Hilton does not want anything to remind them of the Huge mistake they made not doing everything they could to keep ST:TE at the Hilton. I’m sure they have lost money and see what a mistake they made.
But the Hilton will do anything they can to cover up any evidence that it was a mistake. Just wait to see what the Hilton will do if ST:TE opens somewhere else.

91. Eric S - January 3, 2011

89: Something does remain. It’s the annual convention in August. You want to immerse yourself into Trek culture? This is the place. And what a great…umm….”experience” that is.

I miss having the Experience in my back yard (I live up in Summerlin). But as I’ve posted before it was time to lay it to rest.

Looking at that sign now on the side of the Hitlon is like finding gramma’s shoes in the attic long after she passed away.

92. Phaser Guy - January 3, 2011

Honestly, I thought the Trek ride was starting to die off when they made that Borg 3D thing.

93. Paul Walker - January 3, 2011

RE: 91

Eris S….. I just read yoru comments and your thoughts about the Star Trek Sign at the Hilton. As Captain of the local Las Vegas area Star Trek Club USS Las Vegas I would like to invite you to come down to Memphis Championship Bar B Que on Jan. 19th at 6:30 for our first Offical mission of 2011. We will be discussing the Star Trek Sign campaign and yoru comments would be very welcome.

For more info please comment here or email me directly.

Capt. Walker

94. Anthony Thompson - January 4, 2011


They had glasses with Quark’s on them? Then why were we served our drinks there in plastic cups? I thought that was really tacky.

95. Boris - January 4, 2011

88 – Star Trek is about boldly going where no man has gone before, not about being sentimental regarding remnants of a shut-down commercial attraction. Watch more TOS and stay at a different hotel, you will feel better. For all its myriad faults, at least the JJ movie managed to recapture that optimism.

96. Red Dead Ryan - January 4, 2011

The sooner the nostalgic folks let go of their attachments to the dead Experience, the better off we’ll all be. Just that simple. The Experience is gone. Gone for good.

Time to think about what’s best for the greater good.

97. MJ - January 4, 2011

@96 You certainly do like the work DEAD a lot. ;-)

98. Red Dead Ryan - January 4, 2011


I’ve been dead once….I have to say, it was very liberating!

99. Phaser Guy - January 5, 2011

80. Lol, yeah. I agree. The glass I bought was like 50 bucks. It says on the bottom of the glass that it was actually hand blown. It’s a really tall glass that has the logo of the restaurant on it.

100. MJ - January 5, 2011

@99. Congrats on getting blown (glass) in Vegas!

101. Harry Ballz - January 5, 2011


Yeah, I’ve been in Vegas where you could pay for getting a hand or blown, but never hand blown. Cool!

102. Lt. Bailey - January 5, 2011

People/Fans will always have an BIG attachment to STTE.

For some people here who state we should get over it, move on, drop it, etc it is easy or easier for those to say that because they may have never seen STTE or care that it was in DS9 theme or whatever. But for any one who has been there and enjoyed all that it had to offer such as we did, it holds a very special place. Just as if they closed down Disneyland which is only 20 minutes away for us, we would feel a deep passion for it after it was gone.

The reason Vernon and April feel strongly for STTE is that it was their job, thier paycheck and it was a job they all LOVED to go to every day, who wouldn’t?? I don’t blame them one bit for thier passion and I am right there with them.

Personally, STTE for me was an escape. I have a great job, I am in the California National Guard, car and house payments etc. But STTE allowed me to forget some things for awhile. I do live in the real world and I am very grounded in it, but I do enjoy an escape to another world.

Sure, I have ST dvds of the TV series and movies that I can watch at home, I can make ST drinks thanks to the Quarks bartenders who sent me all the recipes, I can even sit on an actual bar stool from Quarks that Gerry & Francine got for us.

But is is not the same when I watch TWOK, ENT, TOS or FIRST CONTACT because that is me on the outside looking in. At STTE, Vernon, April, Tom, Jarrod, Kirstan, Richard, Mark, Lynn, etc put me in a ST film or TV series because of the work they did as actors, they knew thier roles and played them well above and beyond as far as I am concerned. Each time it was as if I was transported (no pun intended) to the 23rd ot 24th century, actually being a TV/Film character with the help of all the STTE actors. Not to mention that Quarks was a great place to meet other fans, we have made some outstanding friendships because of that bar and retail shops.

Was it popular with everybody? No, I sure it was not. But for those who it was popular with, we will remain loyal to it for what it gave back to us. My wife and I have been to Vegas many times, we just got back from there after Christmas in fact. We saw the newest hotel/casino that opened, fabulous place with a bar every ten feet with some of the finest cocktails ever made, but it does not have the warmth and confort as Quarks did. At Quarks, everyone was truly equal. No one ever had to prove anything as they do in these Ultra Lounges all over Vegas.

I do have to say that we did a recon to the Rio for the ST CON in August, that place will be great! The ballrooms are huge, if not larger than at the Hilton. We spoke to the meetings manger about the CON and he told us some nice tips in store. I think most of the male fans will hang out at the I-Bar as the waitresses have the best outfits, the ladies will no doubt be at the Chippendales theater and the Voodoo Lounge on the 51st floor sells a Warp Core Breach drink, same exact thing, we saw it being made. Some things never die, as there are always…. possibilities. There will be another STTE, in some form or another.

103. Eric S - January 5, 2011

Capt. Walker- – which Memphis bbq? I think there’re a few of them in town. Thank you for the invite–I will definitely try to get there!

If you went to the convention last August you may have seen me–I was the one on Sunday walking around with the blue “Deep Space Niners” baseball cap (which I bought at the Experience many years ago). Max Grodenchik stopped what he was doing at his table, pointed at me through the crowd and yelled “where did you get that??” That was cool (for me)…but Max was cool.

I loved ST:TE so much that, when friends would come to town, I would buy *their* ticket to check it out. I wanted them to experience the “Experience!”

But, that being said, Star Trek is ready for its next leap forward. The same sort of jump that TNG kicked off back in 1987. The 2009 film caught the right mojo…I just hope they can keep the momentum going. If the next film is a success, maybe talk of a new show with a new image will start to bounce around then maybe the masses will be ready for a new “Experience.”

104. Jim Nightshade - January 5, 2011

Today is my fathers 92nd birthday-he is dying from cancer-he lived a long good life but still hard on us–i feel proud i was able to have both my father n mother see the experience on their last trip to Vegas with us–my dad thought it was very imginative n original n even got his pix in a classic tos photo-we will treasure the fun time we all had at the Experience n Quarks–I think it was 2005–as others have said-thanx to the actors n staff it was like visiting the future–if u didnt get to experience it–we can never describe it adequately–glad i have the memories–

105. Paul Walker - January 5, 2011

RE: 103

Eric S….. So Sorry I did not inc. the specific Memphis Bar B Que to report to. The one we use is close to you at 1401 South Rainbow Blvd.just SOUTH of Charleston Blvd. The location is listed however on our clubs website that I provided for you however. I look forward to meeting you on the 19th. As a remeinder meeting begins at 6:30 PM and please bring CASH for yoru dinner bill as we cannot break up the check, and there is NO ATM at Memphis Bar B Que.

Capt. Walker

106. MJ - January 6, 2011

@105. Please bring your brother along to the dinner….you know, some Johnny Walker! :-)

107. Jim Nightshade - January 6, 2011

Actually Capt Walker didnt come home his unborn child will never know him, hes believed to be missing with a number of men dont expect to see him again…..

108. Eric S - January 8, 2011

This thread makes me long for the Experience.

I think I’m gonna go walk around the Hilton tonight and engage in a little reminiscence…

109. Jim Nightshade - January 9, 2011

I hear Ya Eric S….Lucky you are so close yu can do that…Me, I just watched the Farewell to Star Trek the Experience video on my Bluray TNG Movies set again….excellent documentary the hi def is crystal clear and a very emotional last day is chronicled….even tho I wasnt there on that day we did show up two weeks before it closed to say goodbye…I am still Stunned every time I think about it and that it is now history…the design of the place, the attractions, museum, the wonderful staff, actors et al….Quarks Bar, the imagination….I dare say we will never see its likes again….We can hope….we will see…there are always possibilities….

110. Lt. Bailey - January 10, 2011

If there is any thing good to come out of the closing of STTE 1.0 until we get a new 2.0 version. Is that people got to bid on artifacts from STTE as well as other ST TV & Film items so they will be preserved in the hands of fans. I know people that got some great items at the pre auction sale and we got 2 Quarks bar stools out of it. So this makes it a little easier to deal with. Although I will admit that they cost a lot of money, more than I bargined for when I was at the LV CON in August.

Plus our friends in LV have some great get-togethers with STTE actors that it is like having it back, if even for a brief moment. I never get tired of hearing stories from the employees. Vernon has a lot of material for his series, we can hardly wait to see them but I know he has a huge amount of work that goes into each one of the chapters.

For those that say people should move on, thats your right to say it. For those of us who miss it because we had a great time, drinking, riding, exploring, eating or drinking, we can hope for the beats that this is a temporary situation and some thing will be forth comming soon…but not soon enough.

As Sybok said: “Your pain runs deep, share your pain and gain strength from it”. We are just sharing our pain….

111. Jim Nightshade - January 10, 2011

Well Said Lt. Bailey–I will 4ever miss the living breathing heart of Trek that was the Experience….even if a newer more advanced 2.0 arrives….The Experience was the ONLY thing in Vegas that was not SHALLOW, SUPERFICIAL ,gaudy, overpriced, underwhelming, or ridiculous….for this fan….it was home….Havent even been back to Vegas since it closed and before that we usually went twice a year….just havent wanted to go back….

112. Lt. Bailey - January 11, 2011

#111 Jim

Thank you and I know you and I are sharing the pain along with countless others. If it were not for my friends in LV we met because of the STTE at the Hilton, I doubt my wife and I would go to LV as much as we do even if it is a 3 hour drive from So. Cal. (or 45 min flight).

Its so true that STTE was unlike any other of the Ultra Lounges in LV. True, it would only appeal to a certain fan base but its a huge fan base none the less. I have seen so many phoney people at these lounges trying to pretend they are something they are not. I guess I can chalk that up to my middle age years looking at younger people. That is not to say all younger people are pretending. No, not at all, its just some are so obvious, especially when they are drinking. I know a lot of young, brilliant people I work with in the military.

The sad part is that so many fans did not get to see STTE and experience it at least once in all its glory. The rides were good and I enjoyed them each time we rode them as much as I do the same rides at Disneyland every time we ride them, who cares how old the ride is, its a classic in its own right.

By the way Jim, I found you on that website showing STTE in 360degree view. You look like you were enjoying the moment and only some who was ever at STTE can know such contentment…. along with Romulan ales, Mind Melds, Borg Spheres and Tranyas. Keep the faith, my friend.

113. Jim Nightshade - January 11, 2011

Wow thats awesome Lt. Bailey….Yeh I had half of a mini borg sphere a couple hours earlier than when that Bar Pix was shot hahah…..You are right about many trek fans not being able to experience the experience….the rides were classic the design of the place unique…that circular multi floor layout was just so cool…never been to a more awesome museum and ride line….although the 3d atlantis simulator in the forum shops had a pretty cool line involving lots of dry ice fog hahah….you guys dont live too far from vegas….we live up in wash. State, Tacoma, bout an hour south of seattle so its a 2 hour flight to vegas for us….or a longer drive hehe….U keep the faith too good sir….thanks for sharing your memories n feelings bout the Experience..I cant wait for Vernons next chapter meself….

114. Eric S - January 16, 2011

Paul W.–doesn’t look like I’ll be attending the Vegas get-together tonight.

:-( :-( :-(

Family duties take priority. But please e-mail me and let me know when the next event is!

115. Vernon Wilmer - February 6, 2011

For those of you who equate Star Trek the Experience with an Apple store front, here:

116. Lt. Bailey - February 16, 2011

The latest Facebook post from one of our many LV friends states that Hilton had the sign painted over. The housing is still up on the side of the building but no wording is visable any longer when you at the Monorail station.

I think the worst was after in closed in Sept 2008 and you took the Monorail, you still heard the spiel inside the cars for about 2 months later as you arroached the Hilton for STTE as if it never closed.

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