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Rick Berman Writing Star Trek Memoir + Talks Roddenberry, DS9, VOY & ENT February 9, 2011

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Former Star Trek overlord Rick Berman has revealed that he at work on a previously promised memoir of his two decades with the Star Trek franchise. In a new interview, the ex-producer also talks about taking over producing Star Trek: The Next Generation from Gene Roddenberry, as well as creating Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise.

 

 

Berman writing Trek Memoir + Talks Roddenberry, DS9, VOY & ENT

Four years ago, shortly after he ended his tenure at Paramount, producer Rick Berman said that he planned on writing a memoir of his Star Trek years. Noting much had been heard from Berman since, but apparently he is still working on it. In a new interview with the official Star Trek site, Berman says:

I have been writing. I’m working on something that I hope will eventually resemble a memoir about my 18 years at Star Trek. I

Berman also says that he has been traveling, doing charity work and that returning to writing and producing is "on the backburner".

Some other highlights of the Berman interview

For the full interview at the  official Star Trek site: Part 1 & Part 2 (a third part will be posted tomorrow).

If you want even more Berman, check out his three hour interview with the Archive of American Television (article includes bullet-point summary).

 

Want a Berman book?

Rick Berman is probably one of the most debated individuals in all of Star Trek history. He oversaw the franchise for two decades and so like him or not, he was a key player and a witness to Star Trek history. So do you want to read his history with Trek?

 

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Comments

1. Seattle Trek Fan - February 9, 2011

Yes, Jeri Ryan was very three-dimensional.

(Somebody was gonna say it, I just got it out of the way.)

2. jas_montreal - February 9, 2011

“Did disagree with Behr over DS9 war arc and felt it “went on too long” and conflicted with Roddenberry vision”

It conflicted with HIS interpretation of Roddenberry’s vision. I personally believe Gene would have loved the new Battlestar Galactica by Ron Moore. But thats my own interpretation of Gene’s vision.

3. somethoughts - February 9, 2011

#2

I think GR would have only liked TOS and TNG, maybe Voyager.

4. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 9, 2011

Rick was not a bad Producer and Writer. He just did not listen to the fans like he should have. We the fans are the ones who decide weather a Series or movie will make it. I like the fact that Bob Orci comes on here and talks to us. There has to be come connection to the fans and I think that is the one big mistake that berman made. I hope the Court does not make that mistake and continue to listen to us and as Pros will take the fans wishes into consideration like they did for Trek 2009.

5. Shunnabunich - February 9, 2011

I kinda of agree with him about the Dominion War, actually. It feels like it took up a lot of time that could’ve been used to explore much more diverse stories, and then, when it was finally over — oops, so was the series. That said, it made for some compelling and emotional stories in its own right, so it’s not as if it ruined DS9 or anything.

6. keenan - February 9, 2011

I loved the Dominion War arc. War can really bring out the humanity in people and thats what Star Trek explores. It could have been handled different and it should have been more serious, but I enjoyed it all the same. I loved the tone of Enterprise and the cast. I don’t why it didnt work but I miss those characters and the relationships they had. I hadnt truly enjoyed watching characters like that since the 60′s Star Trek.

7. TheDoctor - February 9, 2011

Jeri Ryan was far from a bad actress. She had the most to work with and created a character who was much more interesting the the cardboard cutouts of Voyager. Her character was a lot like Data, dealing with humanity in a way different then what Data had done. Didn’t hurt she is one of the hottest women on the planet.

8. Mattyb.uk - February 9, 2011

This Franchise fatigue makes me chuckle. There’s 3 versions of CSI been made at the moment and i think made by the same writers (don’t quote). These shows are still doing great. 70 million worldwide i think. There alot more shows to compete with them 2 like NCIS, Criminal Minds etc. Star Trek didn’t really have any competion really. It just didn’t take risks. Just to sterile. I still love her though

9. Jeyl - February 9, 2011

“Did disagree with Behr over DS9 war arc and felt it “went on too long”.”

Because wars generally only last a day or two, am I right?

“Admits that Enterprise finale “These are the Voyages” failed, upset the actors and says “I would have never done it if I had known how people were going to react.”

As a Star Trek fan who didn’t like Enterprise in general, I still feel for every fan of Enterprise. What Rick says here is nothing compared to the disaster that the final Enterprise episode was to everything, not just Star Trek.

10. KJS - February 9, 2011

I think Mr. Berman did a good job with Star Trek, he oversaw Star Trek at it’s peak and that cannot be ignored. Of course their were wrong moves, the guy isnt perfect, no one is. Orci and Kurtzman did a lot of great things with the new movie, but it certainly wasnt perfect (Spock would NEVER be kissing ANYONE in front of people on the transporter pad like that) It was very unfortunate that ENT is considered a “failure” because going back and watching it, it really was a great series and I think it suffered from over exposure following so close to VOY. But the last episode did royally suck. I personally LOVED the war arc in DS9, it showed that even though humanity had evolved, we are still vulnerable to the rest of the universe.

11. Daoud - February 9, 2011

Franchise Fatigue is the excuse of the lazy.

Manny Coto proved in the last season of Enterprise… that the creative and exec prod duties had needed to be handed over for YEARS.

Had Judith and Gar, or Manny, or someone like them been brought in during the very first year…. (that is, any writer with an understanding of what it is to be a PREQUEL), Enterprise might have gotten to seven full years, and then led into a Romulan War era sequel….

Enough time has passed, that is fair to say:
Gene Roddenberry: creator of Star Trek
Rick Berman: fatiguer of Star Trek
Manny Coto: almost re-creator of Star Trek
JJ Abrams: another re-creator of Star Trek

Sorry, Rick, I really don’t want your book. What would it be titled?
“We Were Pleased, You Were Not”?

12. KJS - February 9, 2011

P.S. Im VERY shocked that so many people dont want a Berman book

13. Daniel - February 9, 2011

I suspect his book will be very interesting. I’m looking forward to it. There’s a substantial handful of great Trek from TNG, DS9, VOG and ENT. I think he did a good job under trying circumstances.

But what do I know. I thought the ENT finale was great.

14. Dr. Image - February 9, 2011

#11- “Franchise Fatigue is the excuse of the lazy.”
Yes, indeed.
And Ira Behr: The “evolver” of Star Trek.

15. captain_neill - February 9, 2011

Berman’s memoirs would be a great read, a lot of great Trek was produced under his watch. A lot of the Trek under Berman is better than Abrams stuff.

16. Jonboc - February 9, 2011

“Attributes two reasons for Gene hiring bringing him on to TNG: being younger than rest of team and having no Star Trek knowledge”

…boy was that evident! For almost 20 years is was evident.

And what’s up with Gene anyway….I knew he was going off the deep end with his antics at the helm of TMP…but wanting to make a new Star Trek that is nothing like Star Trek? Huh? That was pretty darn bizarre…or it could have been nothing more than a severe case of bitter grapes for being disconnected from the movies…and that’s why he had his hate on for TOS…proceeding to produce a TV show that was as far from TOS as you could possibly get.

Regardless, what was done was done…but after after almost two decades of suffering, I was more than delighted to usher OUT the Berman era’s interpretation of StarTrek, a classic series he, admittedly, knew nothing about.

17. Sean - February 9, 2011

#8 You hit the nail on the head with the fact that Enterprise was stale and without risks. I meant the characters lacked any kind of emotional depth – for example, the scenes where Earth gets blown up by the Xindi…or when they discover the casualties from the first Xindi probe attack….sure….they looked unhappy, but generally it was the same behaviour and expressions they had when they didn’t like the food they were eating in the mess hall!

It was just….plain…..boring – and it had nothing to do with the bland action scenes…ST:TMP had virtually NO action scenes but the characters were real and moving so it was a good film.

Archer just looked annoyed / T’Pol looked bored / Reed looked confused / and right at this moment…I can’t remember the name of the guy at the helm! Hoshi looked useless / only ONLY trip and phlox showed SOME level of emotion!

18. joe - February 9, 2011

I thought Berman did a good job. Voyager could have been better but DS9 and Ent were great. My understanding is Roddenberry did not want an ongoing war on a Star Trek series. It was alright to mention a war that happpened in the past but not to show a war on a series. If that is true then what they did on DS9 and season 3 of Ent would conflict with his vision however that being said, DS9 and Ent were great because of it. Also I enjoyed the finale of Ent except for the death of Trip.
In my opinion Berman did great for Star Trek.

19. sean - February 9, 2011

Eh, Berman was just at the helm too damn long. Even DC Fontana has said she thinks Gene would have enjoyed DS9. It’s not like he shied away from war stories on TOS! The only reason they didn’t have more pew-pew, zap-zap is they didn’t have the budget.

Behr & Moore both said they were happier once Berman lost interest in DS9 and moved on to Voyager. Berman was too worried about ‘Gene’s vision’ to be able to judge the material objectively (as were a number of people that worked with him).

20. Browncoat1984 - February 9, 2011

My two cents on Rick Berman:

RE: War on DS9 – I think that was one of the best things to happen to Trek. It opened up new avenues for storytelling producing some of the most brilliant hours of Trek TV IMO of the entire TNG-era run (not just talking about the big battles either)

RE: Jeri Ryan – yes, she was obviously a sex symbol added to the series but if you look beyond the sex appeal you’ll find a great actor who played an interesting character. Not a perfectly written character, by a long shot, though, but then Voyager was very very far from a perfect show (should have been something between BSG and SGU with a little bit of Farscape thrown in).

RE: Enterprise Finale – hindsight is always 20-20. We ALL make mistakes and I’m sure we’ve all made monumental mistakes before that we look back on them and say “we shouldn’t have done that” so what makes Berman immune from this? He made a mistake, a monumental mistake and at least he can recognize is and maybe in Fringe’s alternate unvierse he didn’t made that mistake and we got a proper finale (next time I cross over I’ll bring back that DVD, along with season 2 of Firefly and the final seasons of Stargate Universe).

RE: Launching Enterprise so soon after Voyager – yeah, that was probably a mistake too. SyFy made the same mistake with Stargate Universe. I wish the producers of SGU would have talked to Berman to learn NOT to do that – they should have either A: let Atlantis run a couple more years and take a short break or B: run Atlantis for a couple years alongside SGU ala DS9 and Voy (or SG-1 and SGA). SyFy made a mistake in cancelling Atlantis and annoucing Universe the next day. Regarding Voyager, perhaps they should have broken the “7 seasons” rule and let it run one more season with the entire season being them at earth and wrapping up Voyager/24th century storylines THEN going into Enterprise.

RE: franchise fatigue. It is the excuse of the lazy. If you have good writers then you shouldn’t have a problem with franchise fatigue, and if they start getting tired, fire them and bring in a whole bunch of new writers who have the same respect for the franchise.

21. fred - February 9, 2011

nice one 15 i so agree with you he did over see some amazing trek and i feel his book will gives us some very good insight into what kind of presure he himself was under by paramount ok he made some miskates like gene himself did not make any !!!

22. Surak1701 - February 9, 2011

Mixed feelings about Berman really, though I think his influence on the latter day Treks is substantial, which means we owe him a debt of gratitude. I’d definitely be interested in a memoir and have no great disdain for the man like some fans seem to.

But I do think one of the reasons Trek dwindled over its later years was because it was essentially being presented in the same style as TNG – even the most distinctive, DS9, had the same hallmarks. Had Trek been completely reinvented, with an entirely different group of producers and writers, it may have remained strong; then again, it may not. It worked for the 2009 movie – partly because JJ Abrams and the writers learned the lessons of the past, saw what worked for audiences and what didn’t (eg the excesses of Batman and Robin led to the semi-realistic approach of Batman Begins).

I suppose the big question is, would TNG have endured if it had gone on for a few more seasons? The chances are, it may well have done – these were characters beloved by audiences. That said, I think 7 years was enough, and it’s always very satisfying to see a show bookended rather than deprived a finale.

Speaking of the finale, I didn’t hate ‘Voyages’; I thought it was a clever idea – the fan in me always found it a bit annoying that, of course, no-one ever mentioned the NX-01 and Captain Archer in prior version of Trek, so a retrofitting was a nice touch; it was just a mistake to make it the finale of Enterprise – we wanted a proper send off for these characters, not what was essentially a holodeck program and a surprise focus on Riker and Troi. However, I could see what they were trying to do, and admired them for that.

23. Pinsent - February 9, 2011

@ KJS – I want a Berman book – I think it’d be great.

As well I think that for all the complaining we all did at Berman and Braga (I did have a problem with how they ran it) Berman is being quite frank in this interview, and considering that it is on the official site – it’s not as if they are going to print a ton of material of him complaining about Paramount – and he is taking responsibility for decisions such as the Enterprise finale.

I don’t think the decline in ratings can be just blamed on the writing… or just blamed on franchise fatigue. I think it was both….
I started to watch Voyager, but I didn’t stick with it because I was too busy to follow two trek shows, and I was loving DS9, as for Ent – I saw the pilot and thought it was great, however I barely tuned in until sometime in season 4 I was simply treked out… Subsequently I having seen a lot of them in re-runs – I’m very glad I stuck with DS9 over Voyager, and Enterprise was mundane in my opinion.

And for people who say it wasn’t franchise fatigue – DS9′s ratings slipped and slipped while I personally feel the quality was there right up until the end & that it was Trek at its very best. I think a lot of us were Treked out.

I think Trek’s problems were really higher up at Paramount… Trek was over produced and underfunded – too many people had too much say in what happened….Look at the movies – Paramount’s brass would give lists of do’s and don’t's (and we get Generations), the actors (Stewart & Spiner) often had too much say in what would end up on screen in the films (and we get Insurrection & Nemesis) .
As Paramount’s cash cow, and UPN’s flagship shows (VOY & Ent) there were too many cooks in the kitchen. Currently we are seeing the opposite of that with Abrams’ team – so far it seems they are being left alone… however there is often a trend in Hollywood to over produce these things into the ground (the 2 Joel Schumacher Batman films come to mind for movies for example).

I was glad when Berman’s time was up… Trek needed new blood. That said, I have no doubt that the more Paramount’s number crunchers come to rely on Trek’s place within the company the chances of history repeating will only go up.

24. Pinsent - February 9, 2011

@3 I don’t think that TNG 1980′s Gene would of liked Voyager.

I think that TOS 1960′s Gene would of liked Voyager.

And I think 1960′s Gene would of loved DS9.

25. paustin - February 9, 2011

well clearly he was wrong about the Dominion War arc thankfully they maneuvered around him.
And it’s amazing that he is willing to admit his error with the Enterprise finale “These are the Voyages”. that takes alot to admit that. Good for him

26. captain_neill - February 9, 2011

You know I really despise the Rick Berman bashing on this site.

It seems that its MUST HATE RICK BERMAN, MUST LOVE JJ ABRAMS on this site. ANd I hate that mentality.

Yes JJ Abrams did a good movie but a lot of GREAT Trek was produced under Berman’s watch. Through Berman, we had Michael Pillar, Jeri Taylor, Ira Steven Behr, Manny Coto, Ron D Moore and Brannon Braga. All these guys wrote great Star Trek stories.

Berman did his best to maintain Gene’s vision.

But everyone on here seems to treat JJ Abrams as if he were such a fantastic visionary of Star Trek. JJ Abrams to me made a good film, aimed more at the mainstream than the Star Trek fan. I loved the film but I do still believe that all JJ Abrams did to revive it was to dumb it down but made up for in character moments.

I love great action and the action in the new movie was fantastic but I like my Star Trek to have good stories. And although some episodes were weak, a lot of great Trek was produced under the Berman watch.

I blame Star Trek’s over saturation on Paramount. I really hate the Rick Berman bashing on this site.

27. Ben - February 9, 2011

I think that he did some great work on Star Trek, and I would read his book. His best years were TNG, DS9, VOY and the TNG movies.

28. CmdrR - February 9, 2011

Enough bashing. If you don’t like Treks past, then look to the bright future. (Lens-flare bright!)

29. John Trumbull - February 9, 2011

Should be interesting reading as long as he doesn’t just stick to the party line. Hope he can be a bit more candid than he could be during his years running the franchise.

30. Battle-scarred Sciatica - February 9, 2011

Can anybody give me a list of good Trek Bio’s that are worth the hunt down?

31. Alec - February 9, 2011

TNG was amazing. DS9 was very good. VGR and ENT were terrible. Franchise fatigue is key: no new ideas; everything recycled from earlier shows and not working together or individually.

I’m interested in this book: as much as I’d like to read about the triumph of TNG and DS9, I’d also like to know just how Berman would explain the failure of VGR and ENT. I simply can’t watch these shows.

32. fizzben - February 9, 2011

I always though Berman along with Pillar did the best work on the 3rd and 4th seasons of TNG. The Best of Both Worlds is still one of the most favorite episodes of any trek. However it seems they dropped the ball after that. They could have focused on the borg threat and started evolving starfleet and the federation accordingly, instead it was just business as usual and I honestly thought seasons 5, 6 and 7 were just downright bland and boring. DS9 was a refreshing change once it got going but Voyager just never could find its way (forgive the pun) and Enterprise was just shear dissapointment. Berman and Braga should never have even attempted it not having the knowledge or spirit of tos. I respect Rick Berman to a certain point but I agree he should have stepped aside much sooner than he did and should never have been involved in the movies. As for his book………not interested.

33. DavidJ - February 9, 2011

Yes Berman was the main main in charge all those years, but frankly I put most of the blame for the stale and generic storytelling on the WRITERS. Even with all their restrictions (which every show has), there’s no way the writing and character development should have been as bad as it was.

Plus Berman always comes across very thoughtful and likeable in interviews, so I think a book by him would be fascinating to read.

34. Browncoat1984 - February 9, 2011

I actually think that Paramount, more than anything is to blame for Star Trek’s demise. What the network wants the network gets and if it doesn’t get it you’re done. I watched that 3 hour interview with Berman ages ago and there were some very interesting insights on what he wanted to do with Enterprise and what the network wanted.

I’m sure there were other issues but how different would the remaining years of Trek have been if Paramount just let Berman do what he wanted?

I have more appreciation for the man now than I did initially. While I’m sure he’s not blameless, I no longer associate him as “The man who killed Star Trek” and hope that his future takes him to bright places.

35. Andrews - February 9, 2011

Berman and Braga are terrible and killed Star Trek.

Sorry, sometimes popular opinion is correct.

36. KAAAAAHNN! - February 9, 2011

Who’d buy this drivel? Rick Berman and his clowns wrecked this franchise with goofy characters, poor stories, tired revisits (let’s do time travel!) and bad special effects. Eeek… if only we COULD go back in time and convince Gene to give the keys to someone else. This guy owes US… don’t buy his crappy book.

37. Harry Ballz - February 9, 2011

Don’t forget, if you look up on IMDB, it shows that Berman, Moore and Braga are given credit for coming up with the story for Star Trek:Generations. That piece of dogshit is worse than Plan 9 From Outer Space! At least Plan 9 is FUN to watch!

38. Thorny - February 9, 2011

Mr. Berman did some great stuff early on, and I for one thank him. There’s nothing wrong with insisting Star Trek adhere to Mr. Roddenberry’s “vision” for a while, but when fans lose interest, the ratings begin to decline and critics write unflattering reviews, then change is mandatory. Mr. Berman refused to change. The only breath of fresh air Trek got was from DS9… almost immediately after Mr. Berman stepped aside to concentrate on Voyager. When Star Trek’s ratings nosedived during Voyager, Mr. Berman very much should have resigned. I know that’s easy for me to say, I wasn’t getting the big paycheck from Paramount, but when your product fails, you make changes starting at the top. Mr. Berman needed to go. He didn’t, and Star Trek died on TV.

I’ll buy his book, because I’d like to hear the story from the man who was at the helm during Trek’s TNG heyday but also presided over Trek’s funeral.

I’m not a Berman-hater or an Abrams-lover or vice-versa. I liked Star Trek 2009, but Star Trek: First Contact is still a better movie, in my opinion.

39. Star trackie - February 9, 2011

#26 …”But everyone on here seems to treat JJ Abrams as if he were such a fantastic visionary of Star Trek. ”

That’s because he IS a fantastic visionary of Star Trek…circa 1966. Granted, his style and take on Trek is nothing remotely like TNG and it’s successors…but that is exactly why his vision works. It’s fresh and new, while at the same time, very familiar and true to its source material, TOS. A winning combination that was WAY overdue in my opinion.

40. Phil - February 9, 2011

1. Seattle Trek Fan – February 9, 2011

…..and VERY textured, too!!

Would it do any good to suggest keeping the Berman bashing to a minimum?

41. Greg2600 - February 9, 2011

I thought the war arc definitely went too long on DS9, but I couldn’t stand Seven of Nine, hard a tough time watching Voyager after that.

42. Rocket Scientist - February 9, 2011

#26 …”But everyone on here seems to treat JJ Abrams as if he were such a fantastic visionary of Star Trek. ”

Not me. He made a fun movie with a clever twist that allowed him to re-interpret TOS characters and situations, but it was a far cry from Star Trek I grew up loving. I rather liked quite a bit of Berman’s Treks. Even Enterprise!

43. Shatoupee - February 9, 2011

I agree that the DS9 war arc went on too long. It lost me as a fan of the show and regular viewer, as it did many others.

44. Vultan - February 9, 2011

Ah, I see the hate-fest is in full swing. Didn’t take long.

45. Andy Patterson - February 9, 2011

I rather liked his interview with the Museum of Television as a person. Although I watched TNG a lot of the time it and the other new incarnations/series were never my favorites. I never felt the new shows seemed like a logical transition from TOS – never felt like that’s where they would have ended up. I always thought it was weird where it seems to have gone to. Whoever you attribute that to.

46. DeShonn Steinblatt - February 9, 2011

26.

The most repetitive human being in the history of human beings.

47. Daoud - February 9, 2011

It isn’t hate. I respect Rick Berman for all he tried to do.

But I don’t care to read his book. That doesn’t equal hate, that simply means I don’t need to revisit the production of TNG, DS9, ENT, and the terrible sequence of TNG movies. Unlike TOS and the early TOS movies, where we didn’t have the Internet and major fan groups finding out information about the production and behind-the-scenes was a rare find. With TNG to now, we’ve known about everything pretty much as it happens.

Ira Behr, JMS, Ron Moore, and many others are qualified individuals who also felt Berman was out of his element. To write that any disagreeing opinion as “hate” is absurd.

I continue to insist though, that blaming “Franchise Fatigue” is lazy, and absolutely disconnected from reality. Trek Lives! Clearly, we are *NOT* fatigued by Trek as fans, and never were. However, for the executive producer to assign his own personal fatigue with his job upon us is and was simply unacceptable to me. He should have passed the reins on, brought in new creative teams BEFORE it was too late, and also after a few years learned the history of TOS and the brilliant backstory.

The reason I respect Bob Orci #1: same reason I respect Manny Coto. They did their research. They watched Trek, the read some novels, they talked to people about what they thought. That’s the sign of sophistication.

After all, it’s exactly what Harve Bennett did to rescue Trek after TMP’s so-so reception. He watched all the episodes *and took notes*. Were it not for him, and his going “We need Khan”, we wouldn’t be here today.

48. Trekboi - February 9, 2011

I’d like to hear his side of the story- explanations & excuses…

Gene took risks with race & politics- berman couldn’t even put a gay character in the background- Abrams has flare & an understanding of the original ingredients but again where was the gay crew member or muslim crew member or even a thought provoking sci-fi story?

“The Berman Years” – they had success & played it safe & became the mcdonalds of sci-fi & It made us all sick in the end.
Now the fat has been cut, they have returned to the original recipe lets hope they can keep it relevant & forward thinking.
They may miss some of the bible belt but the minorities that feel included & embraced will support them for a lifetime like the they did with the original show…

49. Trekboi - February 9, 2011

Btw i didn’t hate the later shows & even loved “Enterprise” oddly enough but they didnt do what the original did.
“Enterprise” didn’t start to fulfill its potential until Coto became involved- it didn’t get the same stage to play on as TNG, DS9 or even VOY & was ended over marchandising & advertising politics b4 it could become great.

Lets hope the next show is True Trek at its best.

50. ncc50446 - February 9, 2011

#26 – I agree…
JJ Abrams movie was good…But there wasn’t any story or characters there…
Berman might have been with Trek at the worst, but he was there for the best as well…And Paramount is the one that forced on Enterprise when Berman said no, and to wait.
With Seven of Nine, she was hot, but I liked her character. She brought something to the show. Learning about humanity, and she did it well.
As did the DS9 Dominion war. It showed what war can be like. Though I hated Vic.
The final for Enterprise was an interesting idea, but it wasn’t done well…Though after the first two seasons, Enterprise got better.
ST 2009 is far from the best Trek though. The only thing I liked about it was that it helped bring life back to ST, and the special effects. I’m hoping the next movie has more story behind it. And brings out the characters a little more.
I liked Insurrection…

51. Bob Tompkins - February 9, 2011

I look back at my old usenet [remember that?] postings of the mid nineties and beyond and found I was pretty dead-on about Trek’s coming fate. I said then that about halfway through Voyager, when the ratings were really beginning to show the stress, Berman needed to begone along with most of the rest of the writing staff. DS9 was the only quality Trek being produced and it was because it was almost wholly apart from Trek. Lack of Berman influence became easier and easier to see and the series just got better and better- except when they killed off Jadzia Dax needlessly.

As a previous poster said, bad scripts are the excuse of the lazy and the suits at Paramount contributed mightily to that sense of ennui by not bringing in new blood.

Star Trek could have survived as is, if Paramount had noticed or cared that the ratings for Enterprise showed an almost constant and steady decline after the premiere episode- down to what is the basic core die hard Star Trek base, about 2-3 million people. Replace Bermanbraga after season one of Enterprise and push it even further and more enthusiastically along Manny Coto’s course, it would have gone the full seven, right up to the birth of the Federation.
And we could be savoring another Trek series in its second or third season right now.

52. devonp - February 9, 2011

I just hope 2 things: 1) that the long delay between Trek 2009 and its sequel in 2012 will not hamper its success at the box-office and continued existence on the Big Screen. 2) that we get a new sophisticated,action-packed weekly TV series soon, possibly following the 2nd NuTrek Movie(J.J.Verse), or maybe even prior to it! I miss Trek, we need Trek, bring on Trek, Long Live Trek!

53. Red Dead Ryan - February 9, 2011

I’d like to read Bob Orci’s thoughts about Rick Berman.

As for my opinion, I thought he did a good thing creating “Deep Space Nine” and “Voyager” as well as “Enterprise”. But he should have stepped back and leave the writing to the writers, like he did with DS9. He was better as a producer than as a writer.

I have to disagree with him about the Dominion War. I thought it was a much needed kick in the butt to keep the franchise from going stale. It allowed some great stories to be written, and for the characters to show a different side of humanity that we rarely got to see during “The Original Series” and “The Next Generation”. It also proved that if we want paradise, sometimes we have to fight (and perhaps die) for it.

As for the so called “Berman bashing”, it is what it is. Because there has been a lot of Shater-bashing as well as Abrams-bashing on this site too.

And someone earlier said that “CSI” hasn’t suffered any franchise fatigue because it still draws strong numbers. First of all, ratings have begun to erode in recent years, and in my opinion, both “CSI Miami” and CSI NY” lack the grittiness and chemistry that the original CSI has. Even without William Petersen, “CSI” is still far better than the eye-blinding “Miami” and tepid “NY”.

54. Jim Nightshade - February 9, 2011

I consider myself a star trek fan….Why do we consider ourselves trek fans? Does it mean we like everything Trek and promote it with religious fervor? Obviously not….Do Trek Fans like all trek? Again obviously not…Myself, not as critical as some of you are…Remember TOS in its original NBC incarnation was NOT SUCCESSFUL….it took reruns and syndication to make trek familiar and accessible to all but the hardcore original fans…Then along came Gene and TNG–Different from tos it dared to suggest we would be further evolved as human in the future and it was an unqualified success–the popularity gene never got with TOS except after the show was now more popular than ever…gene proved the trek concept done right works….Berman carried on Genes vision and continued in the same vein and the writers supported that….I am grateful and thankful for Berman, Braga Behr, all the great writers….I liked tng, ds9 and voyager and enterprise….was any show perfect? No…Did they all have clunker episodes…yup….iss jj abrams, mr orci prime and alex perfect? NO….was trek 2009 perfect? NO…But it did reignite trek with more action, the tos crew again, good character devolpment great casting…good story and epic effex….this is the wave of the future….yes it is a slight dumbing down of trek but it is the only way to make it more accessible to general public who you have to get to have a successful franchise….I understand the reasoning and support the newest team just as I have supported the other teams…GO TEAM..GO TREK! Those who over criticize hate or blame one individual or even a few for the reasons they dont like a particular series or movie are missing the point….Without that past Trek would not have a future….NUFF SAID….

55. Red Dead Ryan - February 9, 2011

54

Well said, Jim!

56. Doug - February 9, 2011

I hope it has cool behind the scenes pictures. Ultimately, whatever he writes will be remembered for about a half a second. Pictures, though, can be enjoyed forever.

Besides, anyone who says they are writing their “memoirs” is to be mocked. Worse, he says he’s working on something he hopes will resemble a memoir. That’s like saying you aren’t sure you have the right ingredients to make a turd when you’re covered in crap.

That might be a little harsh. Let me restate. I hope there are good pictures.

57. Will_H - February 9, 2011

I think that if they had stuck to Gene’s vision perfectly Star Trek would never have lasted on TV. His vision was noble, but horrible for TV. TV shows need conflict, plain and simple. Nobody tunes in to watch a bunch of happy people who all get along.

58. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

In reference to my comment in 26 I do take into account TOS as well asthe spin offs.

JJ Abrams captured the fun of TOS butI don’t think he captured TRUE Star Trek with the film. Yes there were still elements of the Utopic idealist future of Roddenberry’s vision but to appeal to the mainstream audience, who don’t give a rat’s ass about what Star Trek is, he made it more like a Star Wars movie.

I know its cool to bash Rick Berman on this site and to bash those who don’t think JJ Abrams movie is perfect but I feel that I got to defend the Trek of Berman era.

Yes JJ Abrams made Star Trek cool again but do you think he sacrificed t he integrity of Trek to do so? Rick Berman is only guilty of being there too long and maybe should have got Manny Coto in sooner, bt the guy kept Star Trek going.

If you actually get into Enterprise it was a great show in the end. The last two seasons were fantastic. Voyager is my least fav show but I still enjoyed it.

And Berman was right, I found Seven of Nine to be a very interesting character. Yes her outfit and reason for being on the show was to sex up the show but I think they got the balance between making her sexy and interesting.

59. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

Dont call me repitive, I am just voicing my opinion.

I guess some people can’t stand my comments because I dont find Star Trek XI the best ever Star Trek, I think.

And being a fan of all Star Trek, I feel I must defend Berman and the Trek under his watch.

Also Berman was handpicked by Gene Roddenberry.

I am sorry for not liking JJ Abrams as much as everyone else does.

60. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

54

I totally agree with you.

I love all Trek. If fans gave Enterprise a chance they would have seen how good it became.

And I never said I hated the new movie, I only got annoyed when it seemed that fans were spreading hate to the other Treks.

And this hate goes against what the ideals that Gene brought to his vision.

61. Jim Nightshade - February 10, 2011

Also 7 of 9 was a great role for kate mulgrew as it allowed her captain janeway to get closer n be 7 of 9s mentor/parent figure teaching her what it means to be human, letting us know more about both characters n what makes them tick–

62. Jim Nightshade - February 10, 2011

I agree with you mr neill–4th season enterprise was really great-for example episode arcs like soons augments n the mirror universe were some of the very best trek from any series or movie

63. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

62

Agreed, I do feel that if the fans actually gave Enterprise a chance they would have enjoyed some great Star Trek.

I was skeptical about a prequel when it was first announced but I stayed with it and I loved Enterprise, not my favourite Trek series but I loved it.

I was skeptical about the movie because it did involve recasting the iconic characters of TOS. I believed no but the originals could be those characters and I was even more dubious when it seemed that it was not going to follow canon. I hoped that it would honor the ideals of Trek.

Alas in the end Star Trek XI was an enjoyable movie and the new actors did justice to the characters, despite two of them not being right for me (namely Simon Pegg who was not Scotty to me but still enjoyable to watch).

Now its because of my love for TOS that I was skeptical, as I said I love all 5 series. To me the spin offs all add to the universe created in TOS.

THe new movie cheats by putting it in an alternate universe so they are not bound by canon. What the new movie does is have the best of both worlds. We can enjoy the movie and at the same we don’t cry ‘FOUL’ when something is different.

64. Majicou - February 10, 2011

I always saw the Dominion War as an example of the diversity of storylines in Trek, not a stifling of diversity. I was fascinated by it because it shows how ideals are strained by circumstances, but in the end, our heroes don’t abandon their ideals. That’s the optimism of Star Trek–some fans may balk any time a storyline is “dark,” but Star Trek never says “Everything will be awesome forever.” It says “Things may seem grim and even hopeless at times, but we shall overcome. Better things are within our reach.” The DS9 characters were never completely beaten down by the war, although they came close. They stuck to it, and they overcame.

@20: I dunno, man–the other universe is a place where Ronald Reagan starred in Casablanca. Not sure if I’d look there for improved versions of our media.

65. The Unknown Poster - February 10, 2011

I would love to read this book. Not a fan of Berman but I want to read his side, his observations of what went on. I love the “behind the scenes” things.

And if Berman writes anything that is untrue, you can bet others will immediately correct him.

Anything that delves into the history and the “whys” and “hows” of Star Trek, I am interested in and this guy WAS Star Trek for so many, many years. Who better to tell the story then the guy creating the story.

66. Paul - February 10, 2011

Its not all his fault but he did sink the TOS movie series & turned down Shatner’s The Return novel which would have made a decent Star Trek movie with both cast’s as the way Shatner tells it Berman told him in no uncertain terms TOS was something he was no longer interested in & should just go away!!!

The only mark he made on Star Trek history was running it into the ground, getting seriously rich in the process & alienating lifelong ST fans……….

67. da laffin tlhIngan - February 10, 2011

The Dominion War made sense to me. The Temporal Cold War didn’t, especially the way the Xindi were shoehorned in. How did they know to attack Earth *exactly* 150 years TO THE DAY after Al Qaeda did it? Bad writing and clumsy symbolism, that’s how!

It should have been about the Romulans, not some cobbled-together retconned species.

68. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

66

He did not alienate all Trek fans.

I am a huge TOS fan but I love the stuff that came after.

I guess the Abrams movie was always going to divide opinion even more so these days.

I saw Berman as the overall guy but under him we have great showrunners like Michael Pillar, Ira Behr, Manny Coto.

DS9 was a terrific show.

69. Pierss - February 10, 2011

@66 Berman made the right call on that proposal and it was time for the TNG crew to have some movie time without Shatner throwing around more Diva demands.

70. Jeff O'Connor - February 10, 2011

#60

Well of course Shatner is going to tell it that way. Come on… it’s Shatner. Personally I’m damn glad The Return was never made into film. I’m not thrilled with the way Kirk died but a hokey resurrection is the worst.

71. Jeff O'Connor - February 10, 2011

Oops, sorry. I meant #66.

72. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - February 10, 2011

Enterprise was a good idea, but it should have broken with the previous series’ style more and gotten dark and brooding like BSG or, to some degree, like the 2009 Star Trek movie.

73. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - February 10, 2011

Though I hasten to add, unlike other Star Trek fans, I enjoyed the Temporal Cold War and Xindi arcs, as well as, of course, “In a Mirror Darkly”. I wanted the trilogy about the Augments to be much higher in dramatic quality, though….

74. Majicou - February 10, 2011

@68:
“How did they know to attack Earth *exactly* 150 years TO THE DAY after Al Qaeda did it?”

Uh… they didn’t. The Xindi attack was in March 2153, per Memory Alpha.

75. Victor Hugo - February 10, 2011

Bashing father figures is a way to attempt to show maturity.

I know, i make comics, and my fellow illustrators love to bash their former idols from the 90´s.

Ten years from now, they´ll worship again their fallen idols.

76. Jack2211 - February 10, 2011

4 “He just did not listen to the fans like he should have. We the fans are the ones who decide weather a Series or movie will make it.”

I disagree. General fan feedback is cool, but I think solid writing, decent acting, excellent production and a little (but not slavish) respect for what’s come before decide whether any Trek movie, series, or episode will make it. Trying to please the fans was, I think, one of the later Berman-era problems.

Fans, as Captain Neill will atest, are not a singular entity — we don’t all agree on what we like. I don’t know Berman personally,just like most here, and from what I’ve read him say, it seems he was a gatekeeper for the brand — and after hundreds of hours of TV and a pledge to maintain the status quo, no matter what show it is — there’s a risk it’s going to get stale, self-referential and self-important. But it could have been a lot worse.

And Roddenberry’s clever idea for a 60s series didn’t necessarily mean he was the best guy to keep it alive decades later.

Neil, opinions aren’t necessarily hate, man. Everyone’s a reviewer here. Getting along, in the future or right now, is about disagreeing respectfully, no?Cue Shatner speech.

My one hope is that the next Trek isn’t too ‘wink, wink’ meta, as Voyager sometimes was.

77. Kirk, James T. - February 10, 2011

Rick Berman along with Michael Pillar steered this franchise during the hight of it’s popularity. I believe that there are distinct turning points in Star Trek that helped to evolve the show. Unfortunately after DS9 finished, Star Trek resorted to the tried and tested formula of TNG with Voyager.

I think a lot of things took place to ensure Star Trek’s downfall;

1) The studio kept wanting more without any regard for it.

2) Berman rather than stepping aside after Voyager, continued to produce Star Trek which I really don’t believe he enjoyed producing. I think that Berman and co. were tired of Star Trek by Enterprise.

3) Star Trek stopped evolving with the times, it became stagnant and too reliant on a certain type of formula – a formula Berman believed was what Gene Roddenberry would have approved of. I think had Gene Roddenberry been alive today he would have probably been slightly disappointed with Rick Berman for sticking around too long. I think Berman should have probably stepped aside when the studio approached him to produce Voyager and much in the same way as Roddenberry did, stick around as a consultant on DS9, and the TNG movies whilst letting a new team of people create Voyager.

What I’ve seen from Abrams vision is that Star Trek had been long needing a change in production staff during Voyager and Enterprise – a new direction from new people which it didn’t get.

Ironically I think at the moment Paramount/CBS are being too cautious with Star Trek and not allowing it to flourish but hopefully come the new movie they will want to put into development an animated or live action series for a new, younger generation to love and watch.

78. Dom - February 10, 2011

I think the main problems with Berman’s Treks stem from his slavish devotion to ‘Gene’s Vision!’

I’m dubious about people who have ‘visions’ at the best of times, but it led to rather unambitious, template TV! It became a ‘vision’ about what you can’t do rather than what you can!

While TV in the 1990s and early 2000s moved on in leaps and bounds, bringing us everything from Twin Peaks, Buffy/Angel, The X-Files, 24, Alias . . . the Star Trek franchise pottered along doing the same-old same-old. While the cast, ships and sets would periodically change, there would be little beyond that to distinguish a season two Enterprise episode from a season five TNG episode. Visually, there was a template for ship flybys in al the iterations of the Berman era, the music was indistinguishable between episodes, the drawing room dialogue was the same whether set in the 2100s or the 2300s and gimmicks like the Xindi never really came over as more than shallow gimmicks from a beleaguered, tired production team. In short a Berman show made in 2002 was little different from one made in 1989!

I remember reading an interview with either Berman or Braga when Voyager was announced where the interviewee said that UPN was going to have a Trek show either with them or with a new team, so Berman and Braga decided to do it. Even then, I thought ‘You’ve made a huge mistake!’

Had the starship-based follow-up to TNG been made by a new team, injecting fresh blood and ideas, the franchise could have been successful for another decade, rather than declining.

I think there was franchise fatigue, but it was more the lack of creative vision at the top, making the different shows predictable and safe, that killed it!

Abrams’ film, with it’s modern aesthetic and sheer balls not to be reigned in by past conventions was such a contrast to the 1990s/2000s shows: full of energy, life and adventure. It tore up the rule book and I think the Gene Roddenberry of the 1960s would have loved it!

I always remember Guinan telling Riker in The Best of Both Worlds that in order to fight the Borg he had to let Picard go and Riker needed to find his own path. A shame Berman couldn’t let go of Roddenberry. Perhaps he wasn’t creative enough to move beyond the the ‘vision.’ There’s a huge difference between respecting Gene Roddenberry’s ideas and slavish devotion to them!

79. 'Beach - February 10, 2011

Couple of quatloos for thought:

Enterprise was getting better in its fourth season. Manny Coto was the shot in the arm the franchise so desperately needed. It just turned into a case of too little too late. If Manny had been brought in sooner, and/or if only Berman had stepped aside.
Alas, coulda/shoulda/woulda…

Now, to address the so-called ‘finale’. “These AreThe Voyages” was never intended to be Enterprise‘s finale. It was only the last episode in the production pipeline when the cancellation order came down. People bitch and moan all the time about that episode being a lousy finale, when in truth it was actually a clever idea that just wasn’t executed very well. Unfortunately it ended up with the (probably unwarranted) distinction of being labeled for the rest of history as Enterprise‘s”crap finale”.

80. Damian - February 10, 2011

It seems many of us have to agree to disagree re: Rick Berman and those who worked under him. I look at one simple factor in rating whether I liked a show. Was it fun to watch. For me, all Star Trek is fun to watch. Until the last few years, I really never got into the nitty gritty of who was behind the scenes. Some people seem to think Berman was some sort of Star Trek nazi who cracked the whip to get his way. Seeing his interviews and others involved, I see someone who saw himself as having to protect Gene Roddenberry’s vision set out from TNG, but was willing to let his writers branch out from that, i.e., he noted he thought the Dominion War went on too long, yet he didn’t demand it be stopped. Enterprise was getting away from it’s prequel ideals by the 2nd season so they shook things up in the 3rd season and then brought in Manny Coto for the 4th, a man who knew the ins and outs Star Trek and almost rescued Enterprise from cancellation. He was willing to experiment with new writers and ideas.

Berman made mistakes, but I own all 5 televisions series, the animated series, the 11 films and hundreds of the novels covering all the series. I thank Gene Roddenberry (God rest his soul) for creating Star Trek, I thank Harve Bennett for some great movies, thank you Rick Berman and company for continuing Star Trek for many years (including the continuing stories in the relaunch novels) and thank you JJ Abrams and co. for bringing Star Trek back. You guys, and everyone else from all the series (from actors, to writers, to behind the scenes production personnel) have given me many great hours of Star Trek, and I love it all.

81. Kirk, James T. - February 10, 2011

@ 78 – I agree with this all the way. very very well thought out post.

82. Horatio - February 10, 2011

My feelings are uncertain where Rick Berman is concerned.

In a way, I think he saved Trek. TNG was just about gawd awful its 1st season. Berman came in and turned the show around and I think it can be argued he saved Trek. TNG turned into a great show and it was during Berman’s tenure.

Arguments can be made either way for Voyager. DS9 was brilliant, but that seems to be more of an individual taste.

What I just don’t understand is Enterprise. It could and SHOULD have been one of the best Trek series. I still think the prequel concept was a great idea. However, for reasons known only to Berman and Braga Enterprise never once felt like a prequel until its final season. It just felt like a dummed down TNG. If there was any fatigue in Star Trek it was in the producers and writers. A new group of people wlling to try fresh ideas was needed. Manny Coto – exhibit # 1. I still mourn for the lost opportunity that was Enterprise.

So Berman’s legacy is a mix bag for me.

83. Trek Nerd Central - February 10, 2011

Can’t we all just get along?

84. SoonerDave (formerly Author of "The Vulcan Neck PInch for Fathers") - February 10, 2011

I think the notion that Berman tries to deny putting his own imprint on Trek is, at best, disingenuous. We read just a few weeks ago about how he dodged David Gerrold, and how even Shatner has concluded that Berman killed of Jim Kirk to put his own stamp on Trek (or words to that effect).

Berman plagued Trek with ten-fold layers of Treknobabble that we know Roddenberry was desperate to *avoid*. Read Roddenberry’s pitch for Trek from 1964, where in he mentioned that we avoid “technical details.” Berman-era Trek was nothing without its plasma inverters, phase inducers, chronic diagnostics, positronic matrix subroutines, which just amounted to so much doublespeak wrapped around a fundamental lack of faith in the underlying premise.

Look at the best of the Berman era, which I assert includes episodes like Yesterday’s Enterprise, Best of Both Worlds, and Inner Light. These were wonderful tales that didn’t require ludicrous exposition. They just worked. Picard lives another life. Picard must seal a rift that alters history. Picard must solve a riddle to save humanity from itself. All great Trek themes.

I suppose this makes me sound like a Berman hater, and I’m not. I think part of the accelerated franchise fatigue was because of the number of times Berman’s vision (yes, his vision, despite protests to the contrary) went to the treknobabble well much more often than they should, diminishing what might have been – including a role for Shatner in the ’09 reboot.

85. paustin - February 10, 2011

#61 wow and we’d never seen that before in Trek…Kirk/Spock, Geordi/Data, crew/Odo

86. JimJ - February 10, 2011

#80-I think of all the posts here, yours is one I agree with the most. We think a lot alike. I do want to add my own little twists, though, about each series/movie:

TOS-Simply the best. Classic Coke!
TNG-Started weak, got VERY strong, ended like a roller coaster (up & down)
DS9-Quite simply was boring to me until they added Worf. It became great, soon after because of him, the Defiant and the Dominion War
VOY-Great idea that was horribly executed. Boring to watch until Jeri Ryan was added as eye candy. Then pleasing to the eyes, but I never really got into the stories or series itself.
ENT-Liked everything except the “forced” I hate Vulcans disposition of Archer to begin with and the “forced” humans are too stupid to fight their way out of a paper bag attitude of the Vulcans. When Archer/T’Pol started relaxing and working together, things started getting better. Season 3 was an improvement but season 4 was fantastic. I was VERY upset when it got cancelled…it was in it’s full stride at that time.

TMP-Great effects for the time. Happy to have the crew back, but boring.
TWOK-Classic
TSFS-Way underrated. All about friends sacrificing everything for one of their own.
TVH-Fantastic for what it was meant. Great humor.
TFF-Underrated because of the lousy special effects and main story line (Spock’s half brother tries to find God). But the character moments for the big 3 are the best of the movie series.
TUC-Perfect sendoff for the old crew. (Did you hear that Shat?)
GEN-The older I get, the dumber this movie is. I dislike it more than any other movie. Let’s get the Shat to fry up some eggs, ride a horse, and fall off a bridge to his death. GREAT drama (gag)!
FC-Perfect TNG movie. Should have started with this instead of that joke of a movie called GEN.
INS-Great story, bad villians. I think the villians ruined the beautiful story.
NEM-If Frakes had been director and had some story input, I’m thinking this could have been right up there with FC (forget the clone part, though).
ST2009-I’ve seen all the pro and con arguements, but this is simply my favorite of all the movies. Does it have flaws? Yup! But so did TOS, so it fits. My favorite characters are back!

Berman, Braga, Roddenberry, Coon, Fontana, Coto, Behr, Pillar, etc. ALL did great things and duds. My hope is that JJ & Co. start a new tradition of only great things (yeah, I know-some of you already think the string of duds has started). Each to his/her own, I guess. Just my two cents!

87. Jonboc - February 10, 2011

#78. “I think there was franchise fatigue, but it was more the lack of creative vision at the top, making the different shows predictable and safe, that killed it!

Abrams’ film, with it’s modern aesthetic and sheer balls not to be reigned in by past conventions was such a contrast to the 1990s/2000s shows: full of energy, life and adventure. It tore up the rule book and I think the Gene Roddenberry of the 1960s would have loved it!”

Well said. That is exactly why Abram’s Trek made over $300 million dollars while Enterprise got the axe and Nemesis barely scraped together $40 million. Berman’s mandates about what Trek should be and his unwavering stance to understand why TOS created the phenomenon to begin with, would prove to be the hangman’s noose that would eventually, and mercifully, end the stagnated franchise.

88. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

As much as I loved Enterprise I did find that perhaps Rick Berman and Brannon Braga were writing too much of the stories.

IIn regards to my out burst about the hate. Perhaps a tad too strong and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But it seems to me that if someone complains about Abrams then they get criticised. Is having problems with Abrams movie allowed as much as people having problems with some Trek under Berman?

89. MikeTen - February 10, 2011

I think Mr. Berman missed a opportunity with the Enterprise finale. Instead of a holodeck story it could have been the Titan going back in time for some reason.Maybe a Romulan went back in time to change the Earth Romulan War.
You already had the characters of Riker and Troi, use them in something new instead of a holodeck story. Hindsight is 20/20..

90. Horatio - February 10, 2011

#89- The holodeck was part of the problem with many of the Trek series. It became a crutch the writers used. When the 1st season of Enterprise had an episode that dealth with a type of holodeck my head about exploded.

91. Victor Hugo - February 10, 2011

Well, guess a good part of what was good about Star Trek came from its cousin show: Babylon 5.

- War against the Shadows
- Insurrection against the government
- Telepathic war
- “I will kill you where you stand”
- Astronaut welding in outer space.
- “Last best hope”

Guess Paramount just needed to hire J. Michael Straczynski directly.

92. Christopher_Roberts - February 10, 2011

89. I think Mr. Berman largely denied the Romulan War from Enterprise, because the eleventh Star Trek movie – one that never was, he was working on that with Erik Jendreson (however his name is spelt). A terrible mistake. It took much needed direction away from the show.

Now I loved ENT and campaigned strenuously for it to continue for a few years, but it was clear many fans wanted the prequel show to go in that direction. You can see small steps toward it in Season 4… but *sigh*, even then I’m amazed they were allowed to do Romulans at all…

93. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

92

If Enterprise had gotten the full 7 years, it would have done the war in around its 5th or 6th season as that was when it is suppose to happen in timeline, 2156. Season 4 of Enterprise ended in 2155.

94. Norman Bates - February 10, 2011

Mother says that this memoir would make excellent toilet paper…

95. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

94

I think his memoris would make a great read.

Be cool to know about his decisions. As I said a lot of great Trek was made under his watch.

96. Christopher_Roberts - February 10, 2011

93. The novels certainly followed through with that. Still will, assuming plans for future Enterprise books aren’t being shelved.

Manny Coto may have had more weight to make the Romulan War the focal point of ENT, if Season 4 had succeeded in turning around the show’s fortunes. But otherwise, Rick Berman was keen on that being the subject of feature films with Kirk’s Great-grandson or whatever. Tiberius Chase, I think he was going to be called.

It was an awful premise and undermined ENT, which hinted several times that Archer had some kind of destiny to fulfil. Look at “Shockwave, Part II” and you’ll see what I mean. History is changed when Archer is taken out of the 22nd Century and the future Earth is a devastated world, filled with 9/11 – Ground Zero imagery. In that future library, Daniels purposely knocks Archer’s hand away from a book about the Romulan Star Empire.

Although Star Trek: The Beginning was to feature Shran as a supporting character, it sidelined the NX-01 crew to Risa while the conflict was going on. I found that pretty offensive.

By Season 4, Manny Coto got to show some of Archer’s history making – especially him signing the Federation Charter… but by then, Enterprise was living on borrowed time wasn’t it? Who knows what was supposedly in the mind of Berman and Braga, events set aside to drip-feed into each of the seven seasons, they probably thought would happen?

97. Red Dead Ryan - February 10, 2011

It may be a while before we see another “Romulan War” book, which is a shame. I read both “Kobayashi Maru” and “Beneath The Raptor’s Wings”. Both great reads and very suspensful and action packed. Still have to find a copy of “The Good That Men Do”.

98. Christopher_Roberts - February 10, 2011

Incidentally, I just an error pop-up message when trying to vote.

Doesn’t matter what selection you choose… it just says ‘Please choose a valid poll answer’.

99. Kirk, James T. - February 10, 2011

Its simple, Berman’s best years in Star Trek were with Michael Pillar doing TNG. DS9 was a good show but because of Ira Behr’s determination to get his ideas made.

Voyager was when it all went a bit wobbly. Berman needed to step aside when the studio wanted another space-ship show whilst DS9 was still on and whilst Berman should have declined it, the studio should not have even tried to get a show made until the last season of DS9.

As for Enterprise, it just showed that the ideas and material had been completely wiped out after TNG, DS9 and Voyager. It needed Manny Coto in there right at the beginning taking over from Rick Berman after the Pilot.

But it didn’t and well what happened next paved the way for JJ Abrams and an entirely new team of people and look what we’ve been given, an amazing new life to Star Trek with a great team of people involved in making it and a great group of actors ideal for the next generation of fans.

What needs to happen now is that CBS need to get their fingers our of their asses and give us merchandise and spin-off animated adventures shown on Nick. to keep the kids, the future fans, engaged with Trek.

@94 – thats just stupid.

100. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

97

“The Good that Men Do” is a great read. And read “Kobayashi Maru” it was still a good read.

Have “Beneath The Raptor’s Wing” to read.

101. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

I thought the “Babel One” to “Aenar” trilogy in Season 4 was a lead up to the Romulan War as well for the show.

102. Red Dead Ryan - February 10, 2011

#99

“What needs to happen now is that CBS need to get their fingers out of their asses and give us merchandise and spin-off animated adventures shown on Nick. to keep the kids, the future fans, engaged with Trek.”

Totally agreed. This is where George Lucas (who has a lot of detractors himself) has the edge. He understands that kids are important, and created a half-hour cartoon to keep them interested. “The Clone Wars” is also adult-friendly, meaning it keeps everybody interested.

“Star Trek”, on the other hand, has always been regarded as being more for grown-ups than for kids for some reason. Even though an animated series was produced in the ’70′s, and loads of toys were put on the shelves during the ’90′s. J.J Abrams understands that kids are needed to keep the franchise alive, and is partly why we got the film we got. A great film with lots of action, visual effects and a young cast.

But unfortunately, Playmates dropped the ball by putting out crap merchandise which didn’t sell very well and was subsequently axed. Playmates put out some decent stuff during the 90′s. I just don’t understand why they didn’t release a Narada or a Kelvin.

103. Kev - February 10, 2011

Well this should give Sfdebris a few new jokes, still I cant get over the fact that this idiot fired Ron Jones for essentally doing his job too well.

104. Kev - February 10, 2011

Amongst killing the enterprise D, kirk and critical thinking all in one fell swoop.

thank god he’ll never be involved with trek ever again.

105. SoonerDave (formerly Author of "The Vulcan Neck PInch for Fathers") - February 10, 2011

Was there not at one time some rumors of legal wrangling between Strazyski (sp) and the producers of DS9 for its similarities (alleged) to Bablyon5?

106. Brett L. - February 10, 2011

8 & 11– Yes. “Franchise fatigue” is only an issue if you fail to evolve and fail to take risks. I think Berman deserves some credit for helping TNG grow beyond the creative boundaries of TOS, but there was a point where the tone he set for his creative staff was “let’s play it safe.” I find it hard to believe that writers for VOY or ENT would universally choose to press the “reset button” at the end of every episode unless that’s the tone that was set by Berman. DS9 was the only show to truly take some risks because Behr was the show runner, but even he could only go so far with Berman over his shoulder. Ron Moore has suggested repeatedly that BSG was his opportunity to take the risks that he wasn’t allowed to on Trek.

Berman’s conservative approach extended beyond writing too. You see this in everything from production design (e.g. he nixed artists’ attempts to shake things up when presented a Romulan warbird in a vertical orientation rather than the standard horizontal axis we always see on Trek)…to Berman’s philosophy about downplaying the role of music and settling for more reserved scores (see DS9′s slow and pedantic theme). Goldsmith made some great contributions to Trek, but picking him for three straight films felt like another safe decision. There are many other examples over the years as well. For Berman, the type of risks he was willing to take were cringe-inducing decisions like sticking a joystick on the bridge for Insurrection’s climax as an appeal to young gamers! For me, that moment was clear evidence that the Berman era’s best days were behind.

In the end, Berman definitely deserves some credit for contributions to TNG, but his prolonged tenure probably hurt the franchise a lot more than it helped in the later years.

107. Jonboc - February 10, 2011

I agree Trek needs to come back on television but it doesn’t have to be a kids show. All it needs to do is be balanced and layered enough to engage kids and adults alike. That was the strength of TOS. At face value the episodes were fun, colorful, imaginative laced with good old fashioned action/adventure. What kid didn’t want to run and play captain Kirk, drop kicking lizard men to the ground one week and fight a giant Greek gods that shot lightning bolts out of his fingers the next? We were young but we still delighted in the arguments and ribbing between Spock and McCoy.
Then fast forward to adulthood and you suddenly realize that the shows have great writing…great art direction…great comic timing…the subtle morality plays come to light and you develop a brand new appreciation of the series.
In the 70′s Trek toys were played with by kids, in the 90′s and today, Trek toys are bought by adult collectors. Kids WANT to play with light sabers and I understand that. The star wars universe is rich in imagination and fun, and that is just one area that I feel the bland, action deprived and often pretentious, Berman era of Trek missed the mark and failed with it’s mandate to steer as clear away from TOS as possible.
Abrams Trek is on the right path, but a movie every 4 years just isn’t going to cut it…the same sensibilities need to come to a weekly series and the sooner the better.

108. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

106

Goldsmith happens to be, along with Danny Elfman, one of my favourite film composers, so I was always glad he came back to do a Trek movie.

I still think Goldsmith’s music is better than Giachinno’s, even though I appreciate Giachinno’s score more now than I did when the movie hit.

When I listened to the expanded edition it really helped me appreciate it more.

I am sorry for not liking Abrams as much as everyone else here does.

109. Red Dead Ryan - February 10, 2011

#108

“I am sorry for not liking Abrams as much as everyone else here does.”

No need to apologize, Neill. Everyone has different tastes and opinions, and on this site, it can only be a good thing. :-)

On the subject of Danny Elfman, I own the expanded scores of “Batman” and “Batman Returns”. Good stuff. Did you get your copies?

110. Victor Hugo - February 10, 2011

107. Bear in mind that the original Star Trek had a whole bunch of similar silly adventurous/monsters shows like “Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea”, “Land of Giants”, “Time tunnel”, “Lost in Space”, etc, as a companion.

Weird things like “lizard men” and “greek gods”, were in tune with the other shows at the time.

When TNG started there was no original Sci-fi on TV for a long time, and it had to be serious and sleek looking in order to survive. Everyone exalted the qualities of the show, while making fun of the old Trek and it´s “foam scenarios”. It paved the way for the all deadly serious scifi shows which followed.

111. Charlie - February 10, 2011

The best thing about the Enterprise finale was being able to see it on the big sceen in a local theater. Unfortunately, that only made up a little for the poor choice of story and the fact that the show was killed just as Manny could have brought it around.

That said, without Enterprise’s demise (and the dramatic failure of Nemesis), we never would have gotten a bold restart like the 2009 movie.

The phoenix can never rise from the ashes until it’s gone down in flames.

112. Mark Lynch - February 10, 2011

Might be an interesting read….

113. Jonboc - February 10, 2011

#11. “When TNG started there was no original Sci-fi on TV for a long time, and it had to be serious and sleek looking in order to survive. Everyone exalted the qualities of the show, while making fun of the old Trek and it´s “foam scenarios”. It paved the way for the all deadly serious scifi shows which followed.”

Indeed. Sadly, in all that serious self-importance, they forgot how to explore the imagination and awe of the unknown. They forgot how to make Trek fun. Glad to see JJ embrace it rather than turn the other way.

114. captain_neill - February 10, 2011

109

Could not afford to get them at the time but was able to get a copy from a friend along with the Star Trek V expanded score. So glad to get them as it was about time to hear the complete msic. In the orignal albums of batman and Batman Returns Danny Elfam edits parts of the score out on the CD version, nice to finally hear them complete now.

Danny Elfman’s music for Batman is still the best of the Batman themes. I do like Elliot Goldenthal’s music as well. The music for Nolan’s two by Hans Zimmer is good but I find it lacks a memorable theme.

Batman movies are great fun, even though they dip with Joel Schumacher.

I got the expanded Star Trek II and III CDs, they were great.

111
A great restart but it seems to have divided the fan base in some parts.

115. Red Dead Ryan - February 10, 2011

114

I just ordered “The Search For Spock” expanded soundtrack. I own the single disc “Star Trek” , “First Contact” and “Generations” albums. I also own the expanded “Star Trek V: The Final Frontier” soundtrack.

As for the Hans Zimmer scores missing a theme, I do consider “Harvey Two Face” (track 3) to be the main theme for “The Dark Knight”. Really captures the tragic hero motif really well.

116. Victor Hugo - February 10, 2011

113. Well, “fun” in 1987 was to have ED 209 fire a hundred bullets into a OCP officer (fact), or have an ALIEN queen ripping the guts of an android apart, hehehe

117. Buzz Cagney - February 10, 2011

I seem to be having trouble posting- this is by way of a check to see if its ok yet……

118. Buzz Cagney - February 10, 2011

yeh its working again!
I’m so happy. I’ve missed posting on here!

119. Buzz Cagney - February 10, 2011

Right, now thats sorted (was I banned or something?!)……
Rick Berman. hmmmm. Rick Berman.
Well, he did much good work- it would be churlish to say otherwise- but he undoubtedly stayed too long.
I’m afraid I never really did much care for any of his Trek’s, though I did watch pretty much all of them other than DS9, which I skipped over in favour of Babylon5 which, in my humble opinion, was a far superior show.

It does sound as if Rick is going to tell it warts an all, which is to his credit. That being the case I may skip through a few paragraphs to see if he could pull me in.
Most interested to hear about killing Kirk……

120. Rocket Scientist - February 10, 2011

I own both B5 and DS9 on DVD and am watching them side by side. Can’t say one is superior to the other. Though they had similar concepts, they’re different enough in content and style to be appreciated on their own merits.

Gotta say this, though: Babylon 5′s dialogue could someimes be unbelievably bad.

121. skyjedi - February 10, 2011

The least Star Trek like of all the shows to me was Deep Space Nine.

122. Buzz Cagney - February 10, 2011

Apparently Strazcynski did approach Paramount to make B5 but they declined. And then came DS9.
If memory serves, I don’t believe he actually considered legal action, but he did note the similarities apparently.

123. Buzz Cagney - February 10, 2011

#120 as could plenty of Trek dialogue!
DS9 had double the budget of B5 i believe. Not that you could tell!

124. Lt. Bailey - February 10, 2011

A book by Berman would be interesting to read, mainly to get some facts or behind the scences info. It may not be that bad and to discount it before its out just because you dislike what he may or may not have done to Star Trek is a little premature before you read it.

Shatners books: Star Trek Movie & TV Memories were very good for that. The best book was the one Shatner did with his daughter for ST V. That has some great insights to what he wanted the movie to be and what it could have been. I enjoy all those “Making of” kind of books and ST has some ot the best for the details and trivia.

I do enjoy ENT and the idea of a prequel is great. Why not after all? How much farther are you willing to go into the future? You will wind up as Crewman Daniels in the 31st century from ENT. There should be and is a vast amount of ST history prior to TOS. The Romulan war is the best example. Had Manny Coto, Mike Sussman and the Reeves-Stevens been given more or earlier input, yes, ENT woudl have been 7 years and more fans would say they like it. I am not too proud to say I love the show as much as TOS. The other shows are very good too, but you can only love a few.

125. skyjedi - February 10, 2011

The reason the Romulan War was not covered on Enterprise, despite being canceled after four seasons is because that is what Star Trek 11 was supposed to be about.

Apparently they even considered a new franchise of more than 1 film. Written by the band of brothers scribe with Captain Kirk’s grandfather or great-grandfather cannot recall.

126. skyjedi - February 10, 2011

If i also recall correctly enterprise was supposed to be eight seasons, and would have gone longer than the seven seasons that TNG got, as well as much farther than the 3 TOS got.

So because of studio politics and a regime change we did not get the rest of enterprise or the romulan wars, and got the JJ reboot.

I don’t think i like that enterprise was canceled so that JJ movie could get made, since i actually liked that show.

127. Matthew B - February 10, 2011

TNG, DS9 and VOY are all shows that I like. TNG is probably my favourite. However VOY was the series that introduced me to the world of Star Trek, so I refuse to accept it as a ‘bad series’. I think all three had strenghs and weaknesses. ENT shouldn’t have happened and I think Rick Berman, rightly or wrongly, for whatever reason, was petrified of telling paramount he wasn’t interested in doing it because of my suspected suspician that he feared paramount would get someone else to do ENT – Or something else entirely for that matter! He was probably worried that his potential successor would throw away the ‘roddenberry’ inspired ‘trek – or what Michael Piller stated perfectly as the ‘roddenberry box’. Michael Piller walked away from ‘trek because he thought the show had become the ‘piller box’ – resulting is limitation, and even stagnation. ENT for me became the ‘painful berman box’ and that is why Berman should have walked away before the filming began. Paramount might even have follow suit and cancelled the damb thing there and then and waited 5 years or so for a fresher approach, a clean slate if you will. I think the book from berman is something I might read. He oversaw ‘treks peak and also the freefall. Bit’ like the economy really…

128. Christopher_Roberts - February 10, 2011

101. One of my favourite arcs from ENT.

Berman and Braga burned themselves out by the time that series rolled around and it wasn’t necessary. What strikes me looking at Seasons 1-3, they wrote most of the episodes! Having more direct input than ever before. On TNG, DS9 and VOY, they had more of a turnover in contributors from week to week. I mean, I’m sure there was a heavy workload on script editors to rewrite constantly, but the ideas weren’t all from the same people… and not those who by their own admission had done too much Trek.

I’ve every respect for Rick Berman, and I’d certainly buy him a drink if I ever met him. Berman wrote “Brothers” and “A Matter of Time” both TNG classics. He collaborated with others to create the situations and characters behind three subsequent series. Laying down the foundation built on by others, for everything we enjoyed for years and years. It’s not as black and white as Piller, Behr, Moore, Taylor etc were the heroes of Star Trek and Berman with or without Braga, were the villains. I’m sure they all made plenty of decisions that made for good and bad storytelling.

If there’s anything I am disappointed about, it’s the thought that maybe Rick Berman didn’t stick up for Enterprise, around Season 4 when it had finally found its feet under fresher, less jaded writers. That he basically agreed with the Franchise Fatigue criticism and we lost the chance to see Enterprise reach a more natural conclusion.

129. Damian - February 10, 2011

Just a fact check. Rick Berman did not pitch his idea for an 11th film until Enterprise was already cancelled. And it mostly was Eric Jendersen’s story. Jendersen has noted that Berman really had no input on the story itself in the rought draft. I read the draft and I agree that having the Enterprise crew stuck on Risa seemed odd. After all, you would think the Enterprise would have been at the forefront of the conflict. I am happy the novels have the Enterprise at the lead in the war. I’m also happy the novels decided to tackle the Romulan War since it is extremely unlikely that facet of Star Trek history will never be tackled on screen.

130. Damian - February 10, 2011

Grammar repair:

My last line should read–extermely unlikely that facet of Star Trek history will EVER be tackled on screen.

131. Rocket Scientist - February 10, 2011

123. I get more cringes per hour out of B5 lines than I did from any Trek. JMS created a brilliant big picture, but all too often he made his characters utter so much expository text that it completely took me out of the story. A lot of it was downright embarrassing.

132. keachick - February 10, 2011

Whenever I see the names Rick Berman, Brannon Braga, Ron Moore and Jeri Taylor, I feel elated, because I know all these people helped bring Star Trek spin off series onto the television screen in my living room. There are episodes (from all the series – TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT) that I prefer over others, however I have enjoyed watching all the series at some point.

I want to say a big thank you to Rick Berman, along with the others, for his efforts in doing some of the best television ever.

Of course, nothing can match Star Trek – TOS really. That is where it all began and that is what makes it extra special for me.

133. THX-1138 - February 10, 2011

OK, first off:

Sorry for not reading all the comments. Too much read. Eyes weary.

Bearing that in mind, i have this to offer up (if it hasn’t been already):

I, to this day, think it was a mistake to cancel TNG and go ahead with the movies There was still some life left in the series on television and from the looks of it, they weren’t ready to make a proper transition to the big screen. Frakes at the time said it was foolish to kill the cash cow and he was absolutely right. I wouldn’t have run ANY of the series concurrently. It didn’t allow the any of the series to properly establish itself on it’s own or give the audience a chance to focus on the stories being told. And yes, we all got fatigued on Star Trek. I know I did. I was voracious when TNG was on. It was appointment TV for me and my friends. As a musician, I would schedule gigs around Saturday night’s episode. And we did that at first with DS9. But it didn’t last because we didn’t want to put that much rabid fan devotion into two shows at the same time. Our interest became diluted. And then TNG got the axe and we felt cheated. That pretty much did in the rest of the series for us. Feeling betrayed by TPTB was a tough thing to get over.

134. JKP - February 10, 2011

I can’t stand most of the schlok that Berman created and I’m happy now that the characters I loved and cherished have been rebooted by someone with some talent instead of Berman and his flock of hackasauruses.

- He had the same crappy a-plot, b-plot + heavy techno-bable approach to almost every episode he was ever in charge of.
- Outside of a less than a dozen episodes, most of TNG wasn’t very good.
- DS9 never tickled by fancy at all – same crappy approach and alien bits glued on faces only on a space station set instead of a ship set.
- VOY had promise as an idea in that they could have tried something different, but they went right down the same path.
- I didn’t even bother with Enterprise, I was so sick of the detritus Berman was passing off as either “Star Trek” or “entertainment” that i never even bothered with a single episode.

Unless his memoirs are a one-page book with a big font that says, “I’m sorry”, then I’m not that interested.

Cheers!

135. JKP - February 10, 2011

Oh yeah, I almost forgot my other major beef with Berman: stupid ensemble casts instead of one or two main stars and a bunch of supporting people… (thus the insipid need for a-plot / b-plot).

Although that for TNG can be laid at the feet of Roddenberry and his fear of a two stars taking over the show again.

136. Star trackie - February 10, 2011

#135, I agree. I got so sick of having two plot threads going, usually ending up with some lame technobabble resolution. My god, in a 45 minute show you barely have time to tell one story good, much less TWO! Really poor decision to hold TNG to that formula. It did not serve it well.

And I’ll never forgive Ds9 for ignoring an entire unexplored quadrant that was just a wormhole away in favor of exploring yawn-inducing Bajoran politics and religion or family soap opera drama like Miles and little family or the Worf/Dax/Alexander snoozfests… The greatest tragedy is that the potential was there with some really great characters..it was just rarely realized.

137. MC1 Doug - February 10, 2011

Personally, I’d buy Mr. Berman’s book in a hot second. He oversaw more years of TREK than even Mr. Roddenberry, He was in charge through the good and yeah, even the not so good, but let’s face it, even bad TREK stood head and shoulders above most of the other drivel out there.

Was Berman perfect? No. I don’t think he took enough chances. As someone pointed out, the TREK team played it safe (no gay characters, for example). I think that the production values for all the series, while quite good, became cookie cutter. Look at TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT and a great deal of the camera angles, spacecrafts, music, special effects, etc. are interchangeable with one show to the next. AND there is that horrible horrible ending, the last episode of ENT. It was deplorable and finally, it is nice to hear Mr. Berman admit it.

Now mind you, to some degree, this is a good thing as far as continuity goes, but after 18 years of TREK it did make it a little less fresh.

I know a lot of fans didn’t like ENT. I did. I think it was a fine program that showed the wonder of it all… considering it was supposed to be new to the crew. I think if the show had gone its full seven years, with thanks to the new infusion of talent of Manny Coto, the show would have really taken off.

People might think, as did Mr. Berman himself, that franchise fatigue played a part of the near demise of TREK. I cannot disagree. Tell me how many of us can do the same job for 18 years and remain as fresh as in the beginning? If Mr. Berman and Paramount erred, it is they did not do enough to bring in new talent to bring new vigor to the franchise.

I cannot complain too much. We have more than 700 hours of TREK to enjoy. How many other franchises can make that claim?

138. MC1 Doug - February 10, 2011

And do any of us really think JJ, Roberto, Alex or any of the current acting stable will stick with the franchise more than the next movie or two?

For better or worse, Mr, Berman was with TREK far longer than just about anyone. Maybe he stayed too long, but I can think of few other film making professionals that could have made TREK a thriving franchise that it is.

139. Bob Tompkins - February 10, 2011

Think about it.

Had Voyager been more along the lines of the Battlestar Galactica reboot- except for BSGs final episodes- how great could it have been?

That Voyager arrived home after 7 grueling years in hostile unknown space in almost pristine unscarred condition, that more crew wasn’t lost, that Janeway was never forced to evolve away from Starfleet rules just to survive- well, it smacked of contrivance every step of the way.

140. Basement Blogger - February 10, 2011

Rick Bernan wasn’t perfect. But he did continue Gene Roddenberry ‘s vison. I just watched the TNG epidoed “Disaster” on BBC tonight. It was a bottle show. Yet it had adventure, heart and inteeligence. I would never question whether that episode was Star Trek. Every series Rick put together under the banner of Star Trek was Star Trek. Whether you hated his shows or loved them, he adhered to Gene’s vision. And it’s that vision is what is Star Trek.

141. Basement Blogger - February 10, 2011

As for the failure of “Enterprise” there were many reasons. But one big reason was that Paramount put it on UPN. It was not easy to get everywhere and here in Cincinnati, it was on a low powered TV station. (See wiki below blaming ST:ENT’s demise on availiability of UPN.) I agree some franchise fatigue ocurred and even the down years after 9/11 contributed to Star Trek’s slowing popularity. And of course there’s that stupid rock ballad that starts out Enterprise. : ) It’s from the movie Patch Adams!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPN#Availability
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142. Cygnus-X1 - February 10, 2011

The only Berman book that I would buy is one that had a point-by-point, decision-by-decision analysis of how he took the most thoughtful, intelligent, compelling, progressive, cutting-edge TV series in history and parlayed it into something that was so dull and uninspired that TOS and TNG fanatics like me had to force ourselves to watch it at first, and in the end couldn’t even be bothered to watch it.

At least that book would turned his galling failures into something productive and educational, as opposed to whatever self-absorbed “memoir” he’s out promoting now.

143. Jonboc - February 10, 2011

#140. “Whether you hated his shows or loved them, he adhered to Gene’s vision. And it’s that vision is what is Star Trek.”

The “vision” Berman adhered to was Gene’s somewhat utopian blurred vision of 1987. TNG bore little, if any, resemblance to Gene’s vision of Star Trek 1966, nor did any of Berman’s subsequent spin-offs, which ultimately proved to be the franchise’s undoing . JJ’s Trek clearly gave the people a Trek that utilized the formula of TOS, which hadn’t been used in so long it felt new.

144. Dr. Cheis - February 10, 2011

I voted “no” because I’m not interested in reading Star Trek Memoir books. I wouldn’t read one by Gene Roddenberry either.

145. Buzz Cagney - February 10, 2011

#131 oh I agree it could be cheesey at time’s. I seem to remember Bruce Boxleitner saying something along the line’s ‘it can be up its own arse from time to time’.
But the ‘big picture’ was never ruined for me I must say.
I have ben watching re-runs lately which have been aired daily and I will say I much preferred to watch one a week and let the story unfold slowly.
Daily it was just too much.
I still maintain its a far superior show to any Trek that was being made at the same time- despite its occasional excesses.

146. Rocket Scientist - February 10, 2011

145. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a HUGE B5 fan. Enough of one that I bought every season on DVD as well as all the telefilms. It really was a monumental accomplishment in televised SF. But I don’t consider it superior to DS9, which is my favorite Trek alongside TOS. It was odd how many times JMS had to reference Trek in interviews, not always in a flattering light. As if it were a competition. I bet most sci fi TV viewers enjoyed both shows. I know I did.

147. Buzz Cagney - February 11, 2011

Well, there is more than enough common ground for us to walk on, Rocket. I also love TOS as well as B5.
I’m glad you enjoyed DS9 and i’m certainly aware its a well loved show among many people. My nephew rates it his favourite Trek and he absolutely will not watch B5. And I have tried to get him into it! lol

As for JMS constantly referencing Trek, well, the show casts a massive shadow, doesn’t it. No pun intended!

How are you on the Stargate shows, Rocket Scientist? Like or not like?

148. sisko1 - February 11, 2011

I saw TOS in its first run on a 13 inch BW, of course I was hooked. I went to the second Star Trek convention and any other con regarding Star Trek after…money permitting. So you can say I am a huge fan. I was the typical Star Trek nerd, you know the type. Kirk this Spock that. When TNG came about I said hell NO… this guy Berman is a complete moron….then I watched it, Hey this isn’t that bad. Well then here comes DS9 i said again Hell NO..Then I watched it. The Same with Voyager and Enterprise. I now own some original props and costumes from each show. Why because I enjoyed each incarnation. DS9 now being my favorite of all even over my hero Kirk…If Berman had just given up after say season two of TNG who is to say that we would have any Trek at all.
He gave us or kept Trek alive for 18 years, there would be NO Star Trek experience to attend in Las Vegas and The cons wouldn’t be full of all the stars that attend now. His shows made it fun for alot a people around the globe…is that a bad thing. Is it so bad that people have a choice in what they like and if they do why should they be be belittled for it. There are those who say “well he just did it for the money” ah wouldn’t you??? Did I like any of the TNG flicks..yea just FC but I thought the rest sucked but that doesn’t make Berman a bad guy. When I saw written by Berman and Braga on the credits for writing in an ep of ENT I new it wasn’t going to be great but I still watched it because it was at least Star Trek. To some extent he did follow Genes rules and you will see that in every interview from just about every writer that worked for him. They would say we followed the bible set down by Mr. Roddenberry.
Now I was just as excited about the new movie as the next, hell I wore my TOS uni to the premier and was proud to do so….yes I got a lot of looks from the mainstream movie goer but i also received a lot of good comments from the Trek fans. I enjoyed the movie alot then I got to thinking about it…..this was not any where near Genes Trek or even Bermans, I know this is not your fathers Star Trek….Starfleet cadets rat packing one guy in a bar (think about that THEY are STARFLEET cadets not bums), An acting Starfleet Captain tossing some schmuck overboard as oppose to putting Kirk into the brig “see Court Martial TOS season 1 episode 14 in Genes world you cant do that. I haven’t seen the above in any of Bermans or Genes Trek but i may be wrong. I finally realized that I had already seen JJ’s movie a few years ago…it was called Independence Day or any other action movie just fill in the blanks I know a lot of people who saw the new movie and thought it was great but they would never wear a shirt that has anything to do with Star Trek (its called mainstream)Thats what Star Trek is now all about.
Ask any of those people what the Prime Directive is. If you want to know what Berman is really like watch Archive of American Television interview from May 31, 2006 you will be astonished, he is not afraid to say he made mistakes he even read all the forums which of course must of hurt and he admitted it did i mean really every time you read the forums all you would see is Berman did this and i bet his wife is a …. no wonder it hurt he never saw anything good. If one were to write something good then they too would be bashed. In closing that movie was not Star Trek except for Mr. Nimoy giving it the nod which is pretty big but Mr. Nimoy also appeared in TNG as did Mr. Doohan and Mr. Kelly. Takei and Whitney appeared on Voyager. There was even a small possibility of Shatner appearing on Enterprise. Lets not forget Mrs. Roddenberry on every show at one time or another as Lwaxana or the voice of the starfleet computers. So I guess the shows were good enough for them. Mr. Berman kept Trek around for 18 years that’s no small feat. Give Mr. Berman a break. Yes I will purchase Mr. Bermans book and thanks for keeping trek around for 18 years.

149. Rocket Scientist - February 11, 2011

147. Buzz, I never saw any Stargate shows. There’s only so many hours in my viewing day, so I skipped ‘em. Are they worth watching? Only recently did I discover “Firefly” after a good friend gave it her highest recommendation and ended up loving it.

150. Buzz Cagney - February 11, 2011

Oh yes, SG1 and Atlantis are very much worth the time, RS.
They gave me the feeling of ‘being out there’ that certain other shows didn’t fully capture for me.
And of course, where they are set in the ‘real world’ rather than some imagined future its gives them a bit more relevance and recognisability. Which probably helps to highlight the alien nature of the worlds they visit.

And some of the humour is quite terrific. Jack O’Neill is just brilliant.
You would get a kick out of the regular Trek ‘jokes’. For instance Jack wants to name a new space ship/fighter Enterprise and enquires if its fitted with ‘phasers?’ And such like.
Try to catch it if you can- but go from episode one if possible.

Yes, I’ve heard Firefly is good but have never caught it. That only ran for half a season or something, didn’t it?

151. Christopher_Roberts - February 12, 2011

141. I remember ENT being one of the most illegally torrented TV shows around 2004/5. The charts on Limewire’s site regularly showed that. This was before studios made their content available online legit. So UPN must have been doing something wrong, to cause so many to seek out Star Trek online through other means. Even those who had it, found the timeslot conflicted with another station, so probably watched the weekend repeat instead (which didn’t count towards the final numbers) .

152. Rocket Scientist - February 12, 2011

150. Buzz Cagney. OK, I’ll put some SG shows on my list to check out. Start with Episode 1, you say? I think there’s a lot of catching up to do.

Regarding Firefly, it only lasted 14 episodes, I believe. And one subsequent movie called “Serenity”. Very quirky but ultimately pretty entertaining. I had a problem with the “Outer Space Western” concept so I didn’t initially watch it. Turns out it works pretty well!

153. roy - February 12, 2011

The best thing that happened with TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise being on television in their respective runs is that it gave these actors, actresses and the production teams employment. There is nothing else more important than that.

154. Buzz Cagney - February 12, 2011

I envy you, Rocket. I wish I could watch Stargate anew from episode one.
As with any show, give it time to grow on you.
I hope you enjoy it. Let me know at some point in the future how you are getting on, if you see the opportunity . Cheers. ;-)

155. Rocket Scientist - February 13, 2011

Right on Buzz. Thanks for the recommendation!

156. Goosenecker - February 15, 2011

One of Rick Berman’s biggest mistakes was firing composer Ron Jones and telling the composers to write “sonic wallpaper”…bland, boring TV scores that actually brought the episodes DOWN!!

Stupid!

157. Commander88 - February 15, 2011

#120

Thank you for saying that, and I agree…B5 & DS9 have similarities, but they are their own shows, with their own universes/canon/thoughts etc.

I personally look at them as being complimentary to one another, rather than the bitter way JMS views DS9, or the way some Trek fans hate DS9 and drool over sci-fy bosom babes (VOY/ENT).

Just my 2 GPL…

158. Malk - August 2, 2011

I want a book… immediantly…
I also have the books of Shattner/Nimoy here…

Would love a book from Rick Berman. He’s my personal Hero.

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