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Roberto Orci: Star Trek Sequel Villain Could Be ‘Person or Concept’ + Villain POLL April 5, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Orci/Kurtzman,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Over the weekend we reported on some comments from Star Trek sequel co-writer/producer Roberto Orci, but some more have emerged, and this time Bob is talking sequel "villain." While not getting specific, he did possibly provide some hints. Find out more below, plus vote in the new villain poll.

 

Orci: villain could be ‘person or concept’  + ‘OK’ with schedule + Klingon hint?

More Star Trek sequel comments from Star Trek sequel producer/co-writer Roberto Orci at Wondercon have emerged, the most interesting of which comes from an interview with IGN, where Bob responds to a rumor that the villain would be someone from the first season of Star Trek, to which Bob replied:

I don’t think so. We have talked about the villain may be a person, or it may be a concept. We don’t know yet – or nobody knows yet, but us.

Orci had "No comment" on if villain has been seen before in the "Star Trek mythos" or not. Regarding the schedule and being able to deliver the film by June 2012, Bob says that he thinks "it will be OK" and that they have as much time as they did with the first movie before it was moved by Paramount (to make it a summer movie).

Here is video, where you can see Bob had to pause to think about his answer as to whether or not the villain came from the first season of TOS, but of course that could also be a fake out.

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Our friends at ScreenRant also had a chance to talk to Orci at Wondercon. While talking about the writing processes for  Cowboys and Aliens, Bob also talked used writing for Star Trek as an example, and he mentioned a famous Star Trek villain:

You start to learn what works and what doesn’t work from before, but every time you go out there, it’s the same blank page, and it’s the same horrible process. But in all of the genre stuff we do, we always say, what is the little theme that would be an independent movie if you didn’t have robots or space ships or Klingons? And if you have that story, then maybe you’re on the right track. In Star Trek, it’s a brotherhood of opposites that have to come together. In Transformers, it’s a kid growing up to adulthood. In [Cowboys and Aliens], we wanted to make sure we found the same kind of character starting place that allows everything else to happen around it.

So the question is, was Orci talking about Klingons generically (probably), or was it related to the actual script he is currently tweaking on his iPad (you never know). Regardless, it is all part of the fodder for fan speculation.


Klingons ended up in the deleted scenes for 2009′s "Star Trek" – will they make it into the sequel?

Orci audio

On Sunday we reported on Wondercon roundtable interview comments from Orci about Star Trek. Our friend Ed Gross from ComicBookMovie has provided us with audio from that, if you want to try and glean something more from Bob’s inflections and tone.

NEW VILLAIN POLL

Lets do this again, and poll on the villain for the Star Trek sequel.

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Comments

1. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

OH, PUH-LEASE LET IT BE A CONCEPT!!!

2. Phil - April 5, 2011

Animal, vegatable, or mineral?

3. Ves - April 5, 2011

How about the Children of Tamar?

4. Karen - April 5, 2011

LOVE to see a concept. While Khan is interesting, it’d 1. Be the TOS Khan, not the movie one, timeline-wise, so we must remember that, AND 2. Obviously can’t be the ‘girl googly eyed over big strong man’ theme of the original show. So the plot would have to be pretty different.

5. Allenburch - April 5, 2011

I personally think the “villian” should be both tangible, an “entity” or “group of entities”, AND intangible, a “concept” or “collection of concepts”.

6. Sunfell - April 5, 2011

I think it should be a Vulcan- driven nuts because of the destruction of her home world.

Yes, I said ‘her’. So few female ‘villains’…

7. Andrew - April 5, 2011

I’m fine with either, as long as the villain isn’t Spock’s half brother by a Vulcan priestess.

8. Emotionally Logical - April 5, 2011

I want to see something fresh and new

9. reb - April 5, 2011

I’m sorry but years of Next Gen & DS9 conditioning does not allow me to think of Klingons as “villians”.

So I’m with Harry. Concept or New villian!

I love the Tholian Web. Somethin’ like that.

10. reb - April 5, 2011

I mean I’d like to see Klingons…but not as Villians…or as “villians” but Kirk realizes in this circumstance they need to make them allies.

11. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

Please don’t bring Klingons into it!

They are a one-dimensional species and have been done to death! BORING!

12. PureSexualNerdRage - April 5, 2011

I’d love to see Kang again, my favourite Klingon of all! But I’d also like to see Andorians. Or Horta. I don’t care as long as we get a sequel soon.
PS: I LOVE the brewey set, Orci, please don’t change that!

13. Emotionally Logical - April 5, 2011

The Tholians seem like a good idea, if nothing else than the fact that I would love to see a tangible enemy that isn’t humanoid or an actor with a bumpy forehead.

14. reb - April 5, 2011

11. Harry. They’re not boring. But they should be used as a spice not as the main meal.

15. ster j - April 5, 2011

Oooh, #6! It could be called “The Wrath of T’Pring”! T’Pring challenges Nyota for stealing “her” Spock. Bring on the lirpas!

(But I’m holding out for The Romulan Commander [formerly played by Mark Lenard, but Ben Cross could portray him in an homage!] I still say that the Roms will take the opportunity to attack a fleet-depleted Federation and the decimated Klingons as well. )

16. Captain Rickover - April 5, 2011

I voted for Klingons, because you could use them as best kind of villains. They’re rough, they’re brute and they’re merciless. What else do you need?

How about a Rebellion from the worker and farmer caste against the klingon aristocrats and warriors? And the Enterprise in the middle of the action. Something that mirrors the events in Egypt, Tunesia and Lybia.

I think Klingons would be perfect for such kind of story…. If the script goes in such a direction, of cource.

Well, it could be all about action and space battles. But what would be more fun to watch, as how Kirk kicks some klingon ass?

17. dmb1138 - April 5, 2011

I want to see some rat-ba$tard old school bad guy Klingons, maybe locking heads with Kirk and crew over a planet or discovery that could be used for good or evil depending on who gets their hands on it.

18. ster j - April 5, 2011

At the top of the article–Is that Snidely Whiplash???

19. John - April 5, 2011

I hope it’s a concept because I’m sick and tired of the good vs bad B.S.!

20. trekprincess - April 5, 2011

Kirk can’t even kick enemies butt Pine’s Kirk needs to develop his fighting skills lol

21. OfficialSpudUk - April 5, 2011

Kliiiiiingons! I want Klingons! Especially if they’ll look like Shredder as they did in ST09! Perhaps Klingons being used rather then the direct threat, but still Klingons. Althought the big thing I really want is a few good ship to ship battles. That and a cameo…about time there was a realistic Englishman in Star Trek! We are the forgotten minority in Trek

22. reb - April 5, 2011

Klingons also have honor and mercy. Wait! I don’t even know if in current ST verse if they’ve even encountered Klingons yet?

Does anyone know?

23. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

16. “Kirk kicks some klingon ass”

Careful, Captain Rickover, you’re starting to sound like Olsen in the last movie!

And we all know what happened to HIM!

24. Allenburch - April 5, 2011

I GOT IT!

PLEASE let the villian be OLD EVIL KIRK (William Shatner) from another alternate timeline….

What would all these nerd-geek-critics say to that?? HAHAHAHA!

25. greenusmarine53 - April 5, 2011

I said Gorn because we don’t really know anything about them. I like the idea of them being a wrench in the machine rather than the main villain but would prefer to see them as a force to be reckoned with rather than coming off like Pakleds.

However, one of Kirk’s biggest flaws is his hatred of the Klingons and that cannot be ignored though in this new universe he could just end up hating the Romulans instead. A huge part of the Kirk mythos is his coming to terms with his prejudice.

On the whole though, I would like to see humanities flaws as the main “villain”. Something that the crew has to overcome that is a part of human psyche. So yeah, a concept.

26. reb - April 5, 2011

What if:

Some Klingons, chased by Romulans end up in the Tholian Web and not only do the Tholians resent their Space being violated but think the Klingons as lower forms of life and start forming a web around their main planet?

27. Kavinsky - April 5, 2011

How about something not really villain based but more based around a moral and maybe morally ambigious conflict that makes you think?

Something that the TNG films never really explored that the TNG Show and TOS typically did very well.

28. Sunfell - April 5, 2011

@ster j:

T’Pring kidnaps Spock in a drive-by beamout, and Nyota has to go rescue him, after she rescues Kirk from a dive-bar and keeps Pike from demoting him to janitor. McCoy has to figure out how to calm a group of sex-crazed Vulcans, and he, Scotty, and Chekhov create a contraceptive dart gun.

Then Sulu’s botanical experiment gets out of hand…

29. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 5, 2011

Hell Bob, I hope you know. Gotta go with concept. Maybe a nodd to other characters from season 1 or previous shows, but the concept thing sounds interesting and new.

30. reb - April 5, 2011

25. He has had a relationship yet with Dr. Marcus. So Kirk’s hatred of Klingons doesn’t exist –yet or maybe never.

31. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 5, 2011

Unless it’s something like paper versus plastic.

32. reb - April 5, 2011

25. I meant Kirk hasn’t had a relationship with Carol Marcus…as far as we know. So David is never concieved and doesn’t die and so Kirk doesn’t hate Klingons.

33. reb - April 5, 2011

Anyway I agree with #25 on human flaw as a concept as well. But somehow illuminated. Remeber Good/Bad Kirk. Only together were they decisive.

34. Dr. Cheis - April 5, 2011

This sounds like a great opportunity to reveal the identity of Enterprise’s Future Guy!

35. Max - April 5, 2011

They need to do a young Chang just so they can do a scene where his eye gets plucked out.

36. Kubla-Khan - April 5, 2011

I’m kinda leaning towards Harry Potter… love to see him fall to a “Spock-grip”

37. reb - April 5, 2011

Concept: (Rubs beard) Well, they’ve tackled God. Hmm.

What if: Idiot nihilistic El Queeda guy blows up something releasing an entity that makes humans behave something like Ellis’s “Crossed” (not as explicit) but you know what I mean…

38. Jeyl - April 5, 2011

Tholians. Outside of the obvious reason that they’re freaking awesome, Trek is due for some “alien” looking aliens that get more than two seconds of screen time.

Yes JJ, I know you think that a woman with fake CGI eyes is a cool alien moment, but it isn’t. Really, it isn’t.

39. TrekkieJan - April 5, 2011

Why isn’t T’Pring on the list? :) The lady Romulan Commander would be a great adversary also. Oh wait – did Romulans…sort of…last time. Too bad!

40. kersplat - April 5, 2011

Star Trek XII “again with the Klingons” we’re even on the 1701 again, it’s scary how close we’re getting to So Very Tired

41. trekgirl20 - April 5, 2011

personally i’d like to see a new villain concept. i’m not saying that it wouldnt be nice to see the klingons or even the Horta (xD) in there somewhere, but i want to see what Mr. Orci and Mr. Kurtzman can come up with!

42. TrekMadMeWonder - April 5, 2011

e gads. I agree wit Harry. No Klingons unless they turn out to be a neccesary ally to fight the “Concept.”

Wait. “CONcept.”

KHANNNN!!!!

No. Not yet, please.

43. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

I’ll give you an example:

I was just over on the Superman Home Page and they’re still talking about the rebooted franchise having Lex Luthor as the villain in the next movie. ARE YOU FRIGGIN’ KIDDIN’ ME??!! 70 years of Superman comics with a host of different great villains (Brainiac) and they want to keep beating this dead horse?

I absolutely hate it when Hollywood allows the beancounters (accountants) to make any creative decisions!

KLINGONS=LEX LUTHOR

For gawds sake, let’s try to use a little imagination!!!

44. TrekMadMeWonder - April 5, 2011

ps. can we get Erica Durance in the movie as an Orion slave girl – as Pine’s Love interest? ; )

45. I'm Dead Jim! - April 5, 2011

I’d like a concept dish with a dash of Klingons to spice things up!

46. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 5, 2011

A concept is a hard thing to combat. I know, let’s combat the concept of Klingons in the next movie.

47. reb - April 5, 2011

…and like the Jack the Ripper entity feeds off the emotions of fear and horror. Maybe its a 2 phase thing. Where an entity feeds off the fear but like “Crossed” is a virus. Erratic is not the word for the behavior.

Also you could have the various races and individuals acting different from what we’re used to seeing them behaving.

Spock becomes a total maniac baser self kills for enjoyment and hyper emotional and Kirk cool and cerebral but indecisive.

48. Stephan - April 5, 2011

What I really woud like to see if a villain is necessary, is a person which is not one dimensional and has good reasons to act the way he does. For me it is important that I can understand the villain to a certain point. Maybe he is even likeable and I feel some sort of pity with him. He should not be evil in the traditional way. Instead he shoud be a person who thinks his actions are for a good cause. The audience should think at the beginning: Hm, maybe he is the good guy. Let it be a real drama.

I really do not want to see Khan/Nero/Shinzon Number 2 or 3 or 4…

Greetings,

Stephan

49. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

42. “e gads. I agree wit Harry”

You make that sound like it’s a bad thing!

44. “get Erica Durance in the movie”

Hell, cast her as Edith Keeler and I’ll be glad to drive the truck!

50. Allenburch - April 5, 2011

40. kersplat – April 5, 2011 “Star Trek XII “again with the Klingons” we’re even on the 1701 again, it’s scary how close we’re getting to So Very Tired”

Agreed. This thread-gang seems to be having a little:

(A) OCD
(B) some kind of “writers cramp”
(C) “just repeating the same ole lines” (Hall & Oates “I Can’t Go For That”)
(D) any other thoughts/descriptions?

regarding certain subjects.

51. montgomerysmithers - April 5, 2011

I want the villain to be Vulcan.

and eye candy

52. Leo Roberts - April 5, 2011

How about a new race and the villain comes from that race? This way we wouldn’t have to worry about seeing a Klingon, Romulan, or a villain trying to be Khan, the Borg Queen, or someone else we’ve seen years ago. This is an alternate time line so it would be very easy to do since history is different.

53. Anthony Pascale - April 5, 2011

why yes it is Snidely Whiplash glad someone spotted that

and for you kids out there, see here for more Snidely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhC_JJwlep0

54. ster j - April 5, 2011

#28. Sunfell! I’d see that in a Vulcan heartbeat! (X^D

55. reb - April 5, 2011

I don’t know about you, but I’ve been putting out re-workings of existing concepts as homages.

You want something totally new?

What if: A game is being sold to Terran children which uses satellites to target certain individuals on Klingon home world, Romulus and maybe the Tholian Race. And Crew of Enterprise has to find out who before an intergalactic war breaks out with Earth under seige by three major empires? Also Spock’s Dad and Kirk’s Mom are also eventually discovered to be on the target list.

#50 That originial enough for you?

56. Deflector Dish Guy - April 5, 2011

Borg!

57. Cygnus-X1 - April 5, 2011

A new villain concept is intriguing, but seems high-risk and relatively difficult to pull off well.

It’ll be impressive as hell if they can, though.

And I see the Gorn is listed in the poll, but what about Mugato?

58. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2011

AAaaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

No baddies.

Concept please.

Lets go for a bit of cerebral Trek.

59. dmduncan - April 5, 2011

Nothing conclusive, but I see visual cues in the video that first season “villain” (whether person or idea) is the reality. ;-)

60. reb - April 5, 2011

#58 Which film was the Cerebral Trek? Could you mean the motionless picture? Also V’Ger was a baddie and a threat until they were able to heh…satisfy it.

61. montgomerysmithers - April 5, 2011

And get Darren Aronosky to direct it. I’ve heard he’s been wanting to do an action movie for a long time and he could bring the drama to a whole new (depressing) level.

62. AJ - April 5, 2011

43:

I agree with you, Harry. Having the Klingons AND Lex Luthor in the new Trek film would be Super. Who plays baldy Lex now? I choose Adam Sandler.

Let’s put both franchises to bed.

Zack Snyder is coming off of a financial disaster with “Sucker Punch.” I wonder if they’ll actually let him do Superman: Man of Steel after two loss-making films in a row.

I voted for Klingons, because I want my old Klingons back (Kor/Koloth/Kang), and not the wimpy alcoholics from DS9.

63. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2011

Hey Harry,

Thanks for the heads up on the Superman Homepage.

I did not know about that site.

A must for all Supes Fans – just like me.

64. Jack - April 5, 2011

43. Agreed. Although I am pretty hungry for a fresh take on the Klingons… I dug how Mark Farina’s Klingon agitprop flick jettisoned the image of those TNG/Captain Caveman/hippie/me want ratacino Klingons. I’d like a little Klingon intrigue in the background of one of these next flicks, keep em mysterious … be nice if they weren’t quite as broadly drawn as the Nazis/Soviets in the Raiders movies.

65. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

62.

D’OH!

Yes, AJ, there’s nothing worse than “wimpy alcoholics”!

66. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

63.

You’re welcome!

67. simon - April 5, 2011

SOOOO sick of Klingons.

Presence in TREK TMP, II

Villains in TREK III, V, VI, VII

Worf in all TNG films.

Dozens of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT episodes devoted to them.

ENOUGH. WITH THE KLINGONS!

What’s *really* laughable is that the fans who cry “no Khan” (a character in an episode 44 years ago and 1 TREK film 29 years ago) will then enthusiastically vote for Klingons. They need a trip to Elba II to clear their heads.

68. reb - April 5, 2011

Klingons have been done to death in the films and on TV as the main plot. I don’t mind seeing any of your favorite Klingons but I do mind them being center stage.

69. Ian Fee - April 5, 2011

How about the Klingons in a very uneasy and ultimately doomed alliance with the Federation, taking on an even more bad ass Doomsday Machine?

70. Allenburch - April 5, 2011

55. reb

Don’t believe I have ever read that one…..lol

71. Plum - April 5, 2011

I’m a nut I know, but Shatner as Kor would be poetic. Shout out to John Colicos fans!

72. reb - April 5, 2011

Tholians over Klingons if one has to be picked.

73. reb - April 5, 2011

#70. Thank you.

74. J4yn1ck5 - April 5, 2011

I want Klingons, but only if they can be done in a very fresh and new universe way.

75. CB - April 5, 2011

In Star Trek 2009 you have the new Spock (Zachary Quinto) and the old Spock (Leonard Nimoy) . It would be nice to see the old Spock be an elusive ,dark, behind the scenes villain creating havoc all over the universe similar to the character of Senator Palpatine who we later discovered was the leader of the Sith, Darth Sidious in Star Wars. The old Spock could play a peaceful ambassador of good will to the world , but really is a mysterious mastermind behind the scenes renegade villain who for 100 plus years of his life has had control of his emotions , but the agony of watching his home world Vulcan being destroyed has driven him mad with rage and intends to wipe out the Romulans, Klingons , and human race out all together.

76. Trek Lady - April 5, 2011

Glad to see the idea of a “concept” was included in the poll. I think it opens far more possibilities than the traditional idea of the “one in the black hat.” And “concepts” can be far more complex to resolve than just shooting the bad guy – allowing for some real cerebral engagment on the part of the audience.

77. Phil - April 5, 2011

Why do we have to have a villian at aallllll? Can’t we all just hold hands and exploooooore? Two hours of just waaaaaannnnnddderrrring the stars, won’t it be grand?

To anyone and everyone whom this offends, I’m sorry. Really.

78. Phil - April 5, 2011

Yep, I want the space hippies for the villians!!

79. ensign joe - April 5, 2011

getting a Trek IV vibe.. what I would call context.. if you had to name a villain from Trek IV who would it be?

if you are going to do a villain.. classic way is to have the context be the villain in Trek² and the big reveal at the end is the actual villain (mastermind) in Trek³

80. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2011

@60

Good point reb.

I just would like to see a thoughtful Trek without a main antagonist baddie type villian.

Of course all Trek is “thoughtful” not necessarily “cerebral”.

I realise the TMP might have been seen dull to some, but I love all aspects and varieties of Trek and really quite enjoyed it the first time it came out at the cinema and even a week ago when my wife and I watched it again for the umpteenth time.
Not the best but still good in my eyes.

Yes indeed, our mate V’ger was a “baddie”, but not one you could chuck a few photon torpedoes or have fisticuffs with.

: )p

81. reb - April 5, 2011

I meant thank you. 70. Allenburch – April 5, 2011

But V’ger, technically was a black hat. Not a villan but an antagonist.

82. Maj - April 5, 2011

I just hope there’s not a specific Klingon villain, no “individual” villain, but I do hope to see the Klingons as a collective-force given some importance in the Federation politics that must occupy at least a minor part of the story.

As a fan, and in general, I’m dying to understand more of the political status of the Federation in this alternate universe.

83. ensign joe - April 5, 2011

“Can’t we all just hold hands and exploooooore?”

They can still introduce conflict whilst exploring.. its what I would prefer..

Not sure this team can handle the type of pure drama necessary for a strict exploration movie.. no offense.. and I hope to be proven wrong..

84. Jack - April 5, 2011

67. True. But Khan’s one guy. I still think there’s a better take on the guys than we’ve seen — I agree that the trek III/TNG Klingons were one-note, boring and explored to death (we get it, honor’s a big thing to you guys). I guess this would involve ditching Enterprise continuity, and doing something fresh, and more of a riff off the ’60s Klingons (say, a new faction has taken over… guys with better hygiene… or just ditch continuity entirely)

I thought the deleted scenes, with the trenchcoats and the hidden faces, were pretty intriguing. It’s like, what if the TOS Klingons hadn’t turned into deadheads. And even in TOS, they were around to complicate things, but the Klingon conflict with the Enterprise was never all there was (there were
organians, or tribbles, or julie newmar, or that light thing that liked it when everybody was pissed off). But, yeah, I don’t want to ever hear Klingon
again, frankly. Or see another damned, incredibly slow b’atlith fight.

85. reb - April 5, 2011

@80 Oops! I wrote too soon.

I think there’s something to be said for Terrans meeting more powerful races. Grandeur and for realizing we’re not the be all and end all we may want to believe we are.

86. kevhou - April 5, 2011

charlie sheen as the baddie, firing photon torpedoes of truth!

87. Maj - April 5, 2011

Maybe at the end of the movie Admiral Pike will be present to agree terms and sign that new treaty with the Klingons, after a bloody series of events.

88. THX-1138 - April 5, 2011

How about the misunderstood species concept? Like the Horta? Or is that too much like Trek IV: The One With The Whales?

89. ensign joe - April 5, 2011

actually JJ does the drama well.. have to see Super 8 for additional data :)

90. alex - April 5, 2011

i have been following this site for quite some time, while still anticipating trek ’09, but this is my first comment. first to anthony and co. and all of the regulars, thank you for such an interesting and fun site for a long time (and second generation, my mom raised me on kirk and co.) trek fan. and thanks also to bob orci for interacting with the fans, which is a rare treat. as far as the script goes, i was very happy with the last trek movie, and cannot wait to see what you have in store for us this time! ( but if you could work in a gorn, even for a second…)

91. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

Klingons should be categorized as a boil on someone’s ass. Irritating, but not worth getting worked up over. No way should they be the focus of the next movie. If they MUST be included, then as a minor subplot.

M’yeah, that sounds about right.

92. Matthew - April 5, 2011

SYBOK!!

93. Spockanella - April 5, 2011

28: Now that I’d pay to see.

94. Maj - April 5, 2011

@83 “Not sure this team can handle the type of pure drama necessary for a strict exploration movie.. no offense.. and I hope to be proven wrong..”

Nonsense my friend!

I’m sure it’ll be a delight. There’s so much to explore, no doubt, some part of the movie will deal with the “primary mission”.

But at the same time it’s difficult to please “us” while trying to please the mainstream who are ultimately the ones who determine success at the box office, hence any further sequel depends very much on the mainstream movie goers preference at this point in time.

95. reb - April 5, 2011

#86 As weird as it might sound…a charlie sheen type out of control druggie anarchist character would be a very interesting contrast to Kirk and his crew.

#88. I like the idea but its also been done. A lot in Trek over the years. I can’t blame people for wanting a more potent threat. But maybe combined concepts could solve this. ie. persecuted Horta to the rescue after Enterprise crew mis-interpret a situation.

Personally I always wanted to see the race that sent the probe.

96. Jonboc - April 5, 2011

…Wow, so many yammering for more Klingons…are you kidding me? Klingons are so tired…please no…something fresh please.

97. Anthony Pascale - April 5, 2011

reb are you trying for the captainneill thread spamming award.

rule of thumb, if your posts are 10%+ of a thread, you may want to consolidate your thoughts more

98. Basement Blogger - April 5, 2011

The decision to put a villain in the next film should be an artistic one. Make a great film, don’t worry about the suits wanting a villain. Some of the best Star Trek shows have had no villain. “The City on the Edge of Forever.” TNG “The Inner Light.” DS9 “The Visitor.” “Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.”

THERE BE KLINGONS!

There is evidence that Klingons will make an appearance and maybe be the antagonists.. First, look how coy Bob was in responding whether the villain or antagonists could be from the mythos before. “No comment.” . Remember when Paul Giamatti said he wanted to play a Klingon as reported on this website? (Link below.) Scroll down to comment 21 by Bob. He wanted the guy for the next movie.

Now let’s put our Data-Sherlock Holmes hats on here. Giamatti wants to be a Klingon. He did not say he wanted to be a Picard family vintner, TV producer should I say holodeck producer or a wrestling coach.. He wants to play a Klingon. Bob wants him for the next movie. Elementary, my dear Mr. La Forge, Klingons are in the next Star Trek film.

Or maybe Bob wants him to play a middle age man facing an identity crisis…

TrekMovie story; Giamatti wants to play a Klingon, see comment 21; Bob wants him for the next movie, comment 21.
http://trekmovie.com/2011/02/28/paul-giamatti-wants-to-play-klingon-in-star-trek-sequel-stephen-fry-does-klingon-opera/

99. the Quickening - April 5, 2011

I think it would be short-sighted to use a concept villian. The antagonist role in this movie cries for a super star actor, specifically to increase international revenue since TREK films in this market are pretty much a bust. If they want to be daring, it might be nice to use a female villian.

100. Serge - April 5, 2011

No villain!

The very best Star Trek has no villain per se. The best Star Trek is about dealing with adversities. Think City At The Edge Of Forever, or Spock going through PonFar.

I do not understand that drive to find a “bad guy”. Great drama can be made of people driven by good intentions, of simply caught in a difficult moral dilemma (for the world is hollow and I touched the sky).

Just another option, is all.

101. CardassiaPrimera - April 5, 2011

Yo creo que las escenas de los klingon que fueron cortadas en la nueva película de Star Trek se debe a que en ese momento los escritores ya estaban pensando en poner a los klingon en la secuela. Es por ello que los “guardaron” para esta película. Sin dudas los klingon serán los villanos de este nuevo film.

102. SGRIZZLE - April 5, 2011

No matter what, DO NOT DO KHAN!

The Klingons are the main adversaries during this era. Doing two movies with no mention of them is like doing a movie about the US military during the cold war and not mentioning the USSR.

103. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

Just what we need, a pourn version of Trek! The title?

Star Trek: For My Third Leg Is Hollow And You Have Touched My Thigh

104. alex - April 5, 2011

i would like to see familiar faces (klingons, andorians, etc…) as side notes, but the real beauty of the new trek movies is that, finally, i can see new adventures with my favourite enterprise crew! i would like to see them stay away from what has already been done on t.o.s. (khan, the guardian of forever, etc.) and create fresh stories. hopefully, there will be enough movies for both conceptual and physically embodied villians…

105. Robofuzz - April 5, 2011

How about a concept (say, a radical offshoot of a religion) personified in terroritst, 9/11, and/or homicide-bomber-type attacks on the Federation. I could see a U.S.S. Cole type of attack on a Federation Starship or something along those lines. Or maybe something paralleling the current Somali pirate issue.

106. Bill Peters - April 5, 2011

I think Gorn, Klingons,would be fun :)

107. Maj - April 5, 2011

Star Trek: Rise of The Klingons

108. gingerly - April 5, 2011

Ahahahah!! Love the placeholder picture.
Classic mustache-twirler.

Though I voted “new villian, I like the results of this poll.

109. gingerly - April 5, 2011

@6

Oooh! That could be interesting.

@11

Ballz, just because they’ve been presented rather narrowly before (I’d say Worf did a good job of implying more depth to Klingons) doesn’t mean they cannot be expanded beyond that. In fact, I think of it as a possibly interesting challenge to do so this time.

But I’d like to see some new races, new planets, new concepts, periodwhen it comes to this ‘verse, otherwise what’s the point?

Also, totally random, but no more obvious nods to Star Wars, please. Not that I’m not a fan, I do like IV and V, but I think nuTrek needs to stand on it’s own two feet now.

110. Starbase Britain - April 5, 2011

The great refrashing thing about Trek 4 was that it had no real villian as such like Khan. I personally dont want to see another ‘baddie’ individual and id rather have our heroes a battle against the elements or a situation.

If we have to go down a traditional villian route id like something either from TOS or a completely new character.

I never really got the Klingon popularity thing. I never really liked them at all in Star Trek. For me, the best episodes of TOS were without them.

Just me.

Greg
UK

111. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2011

@101

you got that right!!!

Well said.

112. Bucky - April 5, 2011

How about a villain that isn’t basically trying to be Khan again. I’m not bagging on Nero (I thought Bana rocked. “FIRE EVERYTHING!!”), but in generally. Basically you take out Star Trek 4 almost EVERYONE in the ST movies have had a central, scenery chewing antagonist. There’s not a bad guy in every single episode of Star Trek. Man vs. environment can be very well used for drama.

You know what? Screw it. It’s going to be Balok. Break out the Tranya!!

113. Demode - April 5, 2011

KOR would be fantastic. Kang would be my second choice. I don’t really see them as villians per say; just people with different ideals. Good Trek is about people working out their differences, and I think it would actually be quite refreshing to have it end up that they end up with Kor and Kirk having a begrudging respect for each other. Even in the old TV show, Kor said he didn’t want to “turn him into a veg-et-ab-le”… lol…

114. WallDoctor - April 5, 2011

Klingons make the best sense for a new movie villain. The Federation just had several Starfleet ships destroyed by Nero and Vulcan has been destroyed.

Imagine if this happened today in America. Imagine if 1/2 of America’s military power was destroyed and at the same time California (one of the worlds largest economies) sunk into the ocean in an massive earthquake. It would literally cripple America and make us vulnerable to one of our enemies. 20 years ago, the Soviet Union could have taken advantage of that situation.

I imagine if that happened to the Federation, the Klingons would take advantage of that vulnerability.

The Star Trek sequel could be a full fledged war with the Klingons with an emphasis on personal freedoms/liberties should be sacrificed for the greater good of winning the war against an enemy with the upper hand.

That’s where I would go with it. A bit dark but with a lot of potential. Biggest problem would be not to let it become too much like another “Undiscovered Country.”

115. Keachick - April 5, 2011

Prime Kirk had a long held prejudice/hatred of Klingons anyway. The murder of David by the Klingons just reinforced his prejudice and hatred of Klingons.

I would rather see a “concept villain”, whatever that means. Almost afraid to ask. The Klingons could have a little screentime as they were the badass villains of the TOS era. I would like to see a Horta or two, although they were hardly villains in the real sense of the word. Just liked the Horta – she was one cool “deep pan pizza”!

Pine/Kirk needs a more interesting and attractive female friend/lover than the very ordinary looking and sounding Erica Durance.

116. Strelitzian - April 5, 2011

Maybe the Guardian of Forever could make a reappearance? Although come to think of it that could just complicate the whole “alternate timeline” concept even more….

But I agree with the concept idea – it would be far more frightening to deal with a threat that couldn’t put a name to, or that you didn’t fully understand. Tougher decisions would have to be made.

But I don’t think it should necessarily be plucked from existing canon (after all there’s more than 40 years of it, which is kind of what burdened the franchise towards the end). I think the writers should go ahead and give us something fresh – there’s bound to be more out there in the universe than the same old bad guys!

Some kind of political subplot could be thrown in – the Vulcans are vulnerable now, and should they really trust the Federation to act in their best interests when they failed to save the planet? Meanwhile they could get caught up with the main events of the film.

Anyway, I loved the JJ Abrams film and I’m really looking forward to the next one :)

117. Planet Pandro - April 5, 2011

what, no doomsday machine? and tom hanks would be a pretty great Decker, IMO.

Or maybe a tribble infestation? That way we’d get the klingons, too! P.O.’d tribble-hating Klingons….but klingons nonetheless…

118. Simon - April 5, 2011

#114 – Where did you learn geology? The “2012″ school?

CA CANNOT SINK INTO THE OCEAN! Period! The San Andreas is a strike/slip fault, not a subduction zone (like off the coast of Japan, Chile, and Alaska). It is moving north on the Pacific Plate, while the North American Plate slides south. Right now the plates are locked, and when it breaks you get your big one: CA jumps north several feet (instead of the normal 2 inches per year). NO SINKING. Eventually San Francisco will be the eastern suburb of Los Angeles, give or take several million years.

119. Phil - April 5, 2011

Maybe the Guardian of Forever just starts spewing Space Hippies…why, with in weeks they will be everywhere……

Your mission, if you choose to accept it….plug that damn hole!!

120. Troubled Tribble - April 5, 2011

Mr. Orci and Mr. Kurtzman, please come up with something new. You impressed the hell out of me with the reboot theme. You’ve earned the right to carry the torch. I think Gene Roddenberry would have been pleased.

So for all thats holy, don’t listen to the people who just want the same old stuff. Give us a new villian or concept to be impressed with and ponder over.
So much of the fiction, fantasy, and sci-fi today comes from mediocre writers ripping off the concepts of the masters or rehashing old concepts from new angles. Very rarely do we get an entirely new concept.

Work your magic and give us really new to gawk at and be amazed!!

121. Doug Skywalker - April 5, 2011

i’m late to the party, but would anyone object to Mirror Universe villains?

122. Strelitzian - April 5, 2011

@121 – that could be interesting, but do you mean the Mirror crewmembers? Because having a Mirror Spock, a Prime Spock and a new Alternate Spock in the one universe might be a bit crowded. There’s only room for one raised eyebrow at a time.

123. Bucky - April 5, 2011

117 – I keep daydreaming that the sequel would open with the ending of “doomsday machine” as a pre-credits action sequence, and then off into the movie proper. Kind of like a Bond opening sequence.

124. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

Gary Mitchell becomes God Like and Takes overs the Doomsday Machine. That would be a Killer Bad Guy.

125. Shikon - April 5, 2011

Khan + Tarsus IV incident = Best movie ever

126. Tiberius III - April 5, 2011

#15- Kirk would be the first one in line for a “mud” Koo-nut-kah-li-fee!

127. Thorny - April 5, 2011

The adversary could be “a person or concept” eh? It sounds to me as if someone gets taken over by an entity or lifeform. Something along the lines of the spores from “This Side of Paradise”, the drunk crew from “The Naked Time” or the flying brain cells of “Operation Annihilate.”

128. reb - April 5, 2011

115. Keachick – April 5, 2011
“Prime Kirk had a long held prejudice/hatred of Klingons anyway. The murder of David by the Klingons just reinforced his prejudice and hatred of Klingons.”

I didn’t see that in the TV Series. He was angry at t their behavior, and often didn’t trust them. But he also made common cause with them. Prejudice is having a “preconceived notion” and that didn’t evolve until after David’s death.

The only time he ever expressed hatred of Klingons was in ST:VI The Undiscovered Country.

And Kirk always got over his initial prejudices.

Otherwise, I agree with you about “Concept” being better.

But if re-imagining Klingons is what Bob wants to do and most want that too.

I bow to the desire of the majority.

129. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

The Movies opens up with the final battle of the Doomsday machine and then we go on the mission. As the end credits start we see in another sector of space the S.S. Botany Bay drifting in space.

130. HARRISON!!! - April 5, 2011

To Bob Orci et al.:

While I appreciate the fact that the creative team behind NuTrek are concerned with what we, the fan-base, think – please just don’t be tempted to give us too much of what we want!

*visions of Snakes on a Plane: In SPAAAAAAACE!!!*

That said; some ancestor of Benjamin Sisko played by Samuel L. Jackson exclaiming “I have had it with these motherfraking aliens on this motherfraking starship!”, or words to that effect, could be amusing… :-P

131. Gary - April 5, 2011

I sure hope that if there is a villain in the movie is well performed version of the klingons or it may be a concept where both antagonistic forces feds/klingons must eventually beat

132. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

Ok. Bob Orci. You have your ending. at the end credits we see the S.S Botany Bay drifting in space in the same ship that was in the Tos Series.

133. boborci - April 5, 2011

FYI periods always go inside quotations marks, as in “villain.”

;)

134. Desstruxion - April 5, 2011

Kirk is “trapped” in a Hooter’s restaurant on New Vulcan and it’s Pon Farr time. Now that’s a concept.

135. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

Ok Bob. Got it. How about my ending with the S.S Botany Bay drifting in space as the end credits roll.

136. gingerly - April 5, 2011

@101

I would agree except that those scenes had other issues that could be attributed to the reasons why they cut, as well.

Like a Klingon having a posh English accent and over-dramatic paper-throwing.

137. ensign joe - April 5, 2011

shouldn’t that read: “quotation marks” ?

:)

138. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

Ok. The Main Bad Guy in Trek should be a Human by the name of Bob Orci. A Man who will stop at nothing to destroy the Federation and it will take Kirk and Spock and the Enterprise to stop him!!!.

139. SirBroiler - April 5, 2011

No villain. Spock steals Enterprise to use Guardian to save Vulcan. Kirk must stop him. Or, will he help him?

Klingons are in pursuit. They want power of Guardian. Wait! That’s not Kang under that full-face mask. It’s Khan. Those arent Klingons! They are the crew of the Botany Bay who hijacked the Klingon ship that rescued them.

Lots of Spock and Kirk going “by the book”

No matter what, NO SHATNER!!

There’s your movie. Feel free to fill in the blanks, Bob.

140. Tiberius III - April 5, 2011

or a serial killer Spock a la Redjak: The only good Vulcan poon-tang… is dead Vulcan poon tang.

141. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 5, 2011

OMG! … “or nobody knows yet”… Mr. Bob Orci was referring to us, right?…. maybe one person… maybe a concept … boborci likes torture us, this is it!

But okay I ‘ll play the game of Mr. Bob Orci… and Anthony Pascale … perhaps Khan … or maybe Klingon … or a new concept of Horta … or a new villain concept…. LOL and +LOL

Where is boborci? … he needs to explain it … How they don’t have a villain yet? ….hmmmm?

:-) :-)

142. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

With the Madman Bob Orci trying to destroy the Federation he has some help with one J.J and Alex. These 3 men must be stoped at all cost. On board the Enterprise is the one man who knows these 3 very well. Anthony Pascale who was once a friend of Bob Orci. it will be up to Kirk and Spock to trust Anthony and use his knowldge to stop the mad 3 and save the Federation.

143. reb - April 5, 2011

136. gingerly – April 5, 2011
“@101

I would agree except that those scenes had other issues that could be attributed to the reasons why they cut, as well.

Like a Klingon having a posh English accent and over-dramatic paper-throwing”

Oh, but I love Victor Garber. He’s great in everything! Love that scene.

144. Tkfourtwo1 - April 5, 2011

Bring on the Talosians…

145. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 5, 2011

#133 – boborci

Mr. Bob Orci in the interview for IGN … the “pause to think” … “was a fake out”?… as Anthony suggested? … please could you answer me? … or is my question silly and embarrassing? … LOL

:-) :-)

146. Anthony Pascale - April 5, 2011

Bob is paying me back for nitpicking him yesterday

147. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 5, 2011

#142

Great! … LOL

148. Captain Karl - April 5, 2011

IMHO I think now that the powers that be created a new timeline, an alternate timeline, they really shouldn’t be tied to villains from the original timeline. Isn’t that the whole point of a new alternate timeline in the first place? To free yourself from the baggage of so many years of canon to give it a fresh start?

New Villain/Concept would be best here.

149. Travis - April 5, 2011

Wow… Thats alot of Villians for the Sequel. Here’s my choices ( opinions ) to the Sequel Villians. 1: Do you fans think we have seen the Klingons more than enough???, I do. I mean really basically every episode, every movie has the klingons in it. im simply all klingoned out!!!. 2: TOS KAHN…. Now i would love to see Kahn again, espically if the team decides to show Kahn in the 1996 of how and when he arrived in the 23rd century i think would be cool. Kahn= Big Box Office Sales like in 1982. 3: I cant believe this villian got 5% of the vote… I want to see the Tholians. Only TWICE… TWICE have we seen the Tholians in the Trek universe and i think they are way…way over due for a movie apperence. What do you all think??? Agree or Disagree???

150. Weerd1 - April 5, 2011

Boldly Going up against an idea while out where no man has gone before? Yes please.

151. Bucky - April 5, 2011

I remember those five-villain roulette rumour from a few months back (Talosians, Gary Mitchel, Trelane, something else, etc.). And Bob Orci didn’t come flat-out and say it was BS, as he usually does. Of all the web-surfing he does he just happened to miss it? either it was misinformation spread by the writers just to screw with us, or it was on the ball. Which, in turn, makes me think it’s the Talosians in a sort of remake of The Cage.

152. Travis - April 5, 2011

( 148 )… You forgot something sir. Yes the timeline is in the alternate timeline but those changes in the timeline only effect from the time Nero came into the 23rd century on… The villans : V’ger, Khan, The whale probe… Those events happened way before Nero made it to the 23rd century, Therefore The Enterprise will intercept V’ger. Kirk will meet and wake Kahn. Earth will get its encounter with The Whale Probe.

153. Dyson Sphere - April 5, 2011

The main villian should be some physics issue in the universe with minor villianettes being groups impeding the crew from saving the universe itself.

Naw, people probably would think that’s too geeky. And if the issue we not time travel then what?

154. Travis - April 5, 2011

Understanding the Timeline is very tricky… tho after you think about it, you finally understand it. The problem here with the Alternate timeline is yes, its a fresh new start and new adventure. When Nero came into the 23rd Century… Captain Archer’s timeline ( 22nd) century was unaffected by the change. The past remained the same until the exact second Nero came thru the blackhole and fired on the Kelvin, thats when the timeline changed. However the villans before Nero came thru were unaffected as well so thats why V’ger will come, Kahn will be discovered. Its because V’ger and Kahn happened way before Nero came thru and changed the timeline.

155. Cygnus-X1 - April 5, 2011

67. simon – April 5, 2011

—-SOOOO sick of Klingons.—-

Totally agree. What is there left in Klingons to pique the interest of any Trek fan? There are 50 million Klingon stories in the episodes and films. If it’s going to be a villain, I’d rather see a Human villain than a Klingon villain at this point. Ugh, enough with the Klingons, already.

SOOOO sick of them.

156. jas_montreal - April 5, 2011

LOLOLOL…

“I don’t think soo….”

Bob literally destroyed many months of speculation of Khan, etc in one phrase.

Awesome bob.

157. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - April 5, 2011

No. More. Khan. He’s already had his own movie, and I don’t think we need him again. Besides, who else could play him as well as Rrrrricardo Montalban? Especially with that chest of his…(no, I still haven’t gotten off that).

I definitely think there should be Klingons. But no Gorn. The Gorn are as lame as that fight scene Kirk had with one.

I want to see the Carol Marcus/Kirk thing. It would still make sense in the alternate timeline, wouldn’t it?

158. Drij - April 5, 2011

I want to see a villain that doesn’t die at the end of the movie. A villain that is everything Kirk can be. A villain that can show up in another movie when you least expect it.

159. pock speared - April 5, 2011

b’orci:
since youse guys are all suck-face with danny craig and harry ford these days, could they be the bad guys? i mean really, like harrison and daniel playing themselves and terrorizing the crew with their awesome-ness…

think of the drama.

160. reb - April 5, 2011

What about Finnegan?

The one guy or gal /alt u. who can push all of KIrk’s buttons goes traitor stealing an experimental ship with the intention of giving it to the Klingon Empire but is trapped by the Tholians.

Call it “In Finnegan’s Wake”.

161. ensign joe - April 5, 2011

Kiingons I can probably do without.

However.. Bring on the Klingon ships :)

In fact, double the “outer space” time please..

Anyone here ever play Bridge Commander, fire a torpedo, switch to “torpedo” view and just enjoy the scenery?!?!? Now THATS fun..

162. gingerly - April 5, 2011

@143

Haha, I love Victor Garber too. But I do think in this case he wasn’t directed to act Klingony enough, and he did come off a bit camp.

163. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

Bob. Are you picking on Anthony again.

164. gingerly - April 5, 2011

@160

I thought Cupcake was Finnegan. ;)

165. Commander/Captain/Ambassador Spock - April 5, 2011

I would actually like to see the Gorn as a major enemy done well. An invasion or something spread across two movies.

However, the enemy being a concept would be cool as long as it isn’t over simplified.

I am all for an action movie which can sell and make STAR TREK popular again (not just to us) but I would love to get back to concept exploration as well (though that is not a huge draw to most people). And before anyone jumps down my throat, first it is my birthday and you have to be nice, and second, without appealing to a larger audience, these movies can not be made.

While we all have our own fantasies about what STAR TREK should be (and how we are all Jim Kirk’s best friend/former roommate/ superior), be thankful that we are getting a new story to enjoy instead of complaining about it (such as the lens flare debate). My rant is now over.

Great work STAR TREK team!!!!

166. Slick1KO - April 5, 2011

How about Emperor Tiberius Kirk from the Mirror Mirror Universe???

167. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2011

Will Star Trek: IIIIIIIIIIII have any stars in it at all?

Who knows?

168. Beth - April 5, 2011

Please, No Klingons.
They are so boring.
They’ve been ‘done’ to death.
Even a blank piece of paper has two sides and, therefor, more ‘depth.’

I hope the next movie will introduce us to something at least as interesting as the Borg. Klingons were fun for a 60 minute shoot ‘em up show, but not for a great movie.

Action, yes, but also something thought-provoking, please!!

169. Bucky - April 5, 2011

V’Ger and the whale probe are still out there, but you could say they were “butterfly effected” out of being threats. V’Ger even shows up in the Nero comic book mini-series, and since Nero met it first it’s quite possible it’s mission has changed, since it already merged with a carbon unit off Nero’s ship.

170. Bucky - April 5, 2011

Wait, it didn’t merge with anyone on Nero’s ship, my bad. But Nero did get in it’s head, which may have changed it’s outlook.

171. Odkin - April 5, 2011

MIRROR UNIVERSE, dammit!

172. Allenburch - April 5, 2011

146. Anthony Pascale

He is nitpicking all of us and why not? ( cuz we sure been nitpicking the Supreme Court )

“coughs”

173. reb - April 5, 2011

How about a musical revue?

“Klingons in Paris”

Singing:

“Klingons in Paris,
Romulans in France,
The Enterprise Bridge Crew goes into a dance…trala tralla, etc. ad Sondheim…”

Oh, wait. We were talking about antagonists.

Never mind.

Never mind, never minding. I have a thought…

Carl Sagan postulated certain delicate environments and life forms that might exist with a relatively cool gas giant. Maybe a powerful Entity or being that can communicate with humans is protecting this environments when Kirk and Crew stumble upon it in pursuit of Klingon’s or Romulan vessel. When either the Klingons or Romulan’s invade the space after the Entity warns them not to, it not only destroys the vessel but sets out to destroy the entire race of Klingon’s or Romulans.

Kirk and crew, of course, try to stop this.

174. SarahSparrow - April 5, 2011

Whatever they do, I just want it to be new. We have such little screen time with these guys, I’d much rather it be entirely new, not remakes of old conflicts. Personally, I think it would be really interesting to see how this new crew would deal with Q, but I would rather see it (read it) in a book, not on screen.

175. Schultz - April 5, 2011

I like the “concept” idea… it doesn’t always have to be a *being* as the main villain/threat… and for me V’Ger and the whale probe count as *beings*. Such an approach would also leave more space in the story to be more daring with the Enterprise crew, their relationships etc. But it would be hard to pull off without getting into that cerebral 2001 territory. I like to believe that there were traces of this approach in Star Trek V.

At any rate… please no Klingons, unless you find a way to completely revamp these sorry-ass barbarian TNG sissies. Until now Klingons have just made me laugh.

176. Brett L. - April 5, 2011

While effective, Moby Dick and the revenge motive has been overplayed as well as one-dimensional villains that are simply “evil” without much explanation.

I’d go with concepts that avoid token villains (e.g. ST IV) or a fallen hero with some likable qualities– perhaps someone who can be redeemed (e.g. Anakin).

177. Green Blooded Bastard - April 5, 2011

The villain should be John Oats of Hall and Oats. His mustache has a stun/kill button.

178. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

Ok. The Villain should be Anthony Pascale.

179. Naver Drol - April 5, 2011

Gary Mitchell. “Even a God needs compassion Mitchell!”

180. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 5, 2011

Anyone from the Terran Empire would be a great Villain. I know that for a fact. Lol.

181. Allenburch - April 5, 2011

177. Green Blooded Bastard

..now THAT’S new..

182. Phobos - April 5, 2011

The Narada (per the prequel comic) was made up of Borg technology.
ST 3 should see the return of the Borg by way of just a few nanoprobes surviving the Narada explosion.

183. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2011

@182

but what about ST “2″?

184. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

Bob

If you’re going the Talosians route a la The Cage, then please don’t go all Inception on us! Gawd, that movie was overrated! We would expect something much more original than THAT!

185. number6 - April 5, 2011

I like the idea of a new villain concept. I don’t need to see the usual fanwank that we see daily on Trek message boards. Make a good movie! Don’t sweat the people who think they “own” Star Trek.

186. Trekkie1975 - April 5, 2011

Klingons maybe, but only as fodder for a more advanced antagonist.

187. Basement Blogger - April 5, 2011

The Fear of Klingons

What is this fear that a new Star Trek movie might have Klingons? I keep reading that they’re one dimensional. Well they started out as a metaphor for the Russians. That’s hardly a shallow bad guy since the series could make morality plays about the Cold War. (“A Private Little War.” “Errand of Mercy.” Star Trek VI )

Later, after Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek: The Search For Spock came out, Klingons got more fleshed out. Especially around the forehead. Of course the TV series has instilled in them a sense of honor and a warrior code.

They have a religion. A Klingon heave and hell, Sto’ vocor and Gre’ Thor. They have a religious leader named Kahless. There’s a love of Klingon opera. Heck, there’s a whole freaking language developed and that’s for a fictional race!

Klingons offer an antagonist that is not one dimensional. One that can be used for twenty first century morality plays as Nichelle Nichols said about Star Trek.

Wiki on Klingons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerVrbLldXw

188. Chadwick - April 5, 2011

I voted Klingons, for me they will ALWAYS be a staple of Star Trek. They were so bad ass looking in the movie, they were cut, I want them to get their screen time in these new movies. Klingons were never in Star Trek movies in epic proportions, the 2012 movie could make it beyond epic.

Tie for second:
Tholians would be fun and cool looking.
Gorn…lizard men, classic sci fi.
Borg would be VERY interesting in this new universe, updated looks.

Tie for third:
A new villain or concept would be cool as well.
Khan….I would not be objective of, I was against it at first but could be fun.

189. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

Speaking of movies, I’ve just watched the extended trailer for Thor. Twice. I know Hemsworth was reasonably good in the last Star Trek film, but he comes off looking like some Venice Beach muscle-building MORON in Thor. Every time they show a close-up of his face he looks dull-witted and slow. His acting is third-rate as well. Bad casting.

190. Basement Blogger - April 5, 2011

Oops sorry. Here’s the wikipedia article on Klingons. The link I cited above is a YouTube video is the cool trailer for Captain America. Good thing I wasn’t watching pourn. BTW I grew up with that superhero comic book.

Wiki on Klingons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon

191. Chadwick - April 5, 2011

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192. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2011

I voted Gorn, but wouldn’t mind seeing the Tholians either. Those two races have the benefit of being both familiar and not familiar at the same time. We know who they are, but since they’ve only made two appearances (TOS and “Enterprise”) the writers would have a lot of wiggle room, since we don’t know much about them. Plus, the Tholians are non-humanoid and the Gorn would be popular with the kids.

I’ve been divided about whether I’d like to see the Klingons in the sequel. I’ve decided that I have to say no. We’ve seen them countless times. Obviously its up to the Supreme Court, and if they do go with the Klingons, then I’d prefer to see both the smooth-headed and bumpy-headed guys. But I hope they don’t bring back the Klingons for awhile. Although the deleted scenes featuring Nero being held prisoner by the Klingons on Rura Penthe should have remained in the movie, as it would have helped fill in some of the gaps in the timeframe between Nero’s attack on the Kelvin and Spock Prime’s arrival in the 23rd century through the black hole.

193. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2011

I can’t believe my good pal Harry Ballz called “Inception” overrated. Oh well. I thought that movie was unique, and encouraged the audience to think. Leonardo DiCaprio gave one of his performances in that movie. Now that Matt Damon is done with Jason Bourne, I think Leonardo DiCaprio would make an excellent Bourne.

Oops, went off topic sorry.

As for the sequel, I wonder if we’ll see any big name stars. I just hope that a) Tom Cruise isn’t considered and b) whoever it is doesn’t overshadow Chris Pine, whose name should come first in the credits and on the posters.

194. Sebastian - April 5, 2011

A concept vs a black-hat heavy would be a nice departure.
All but two of the eleven movies have had big, bad villains; the last film had one too. No one wakes up wanting to be Darth Vader, so let’s put the whole scenery-chewing bad guy scenario to bed, OK?

Let Star Trek stretch it’s space legs a bit, and do what it does BEST.
Take a modern day problem (political, social or scientific), give it a nice,
head-turning allegorical twist and see what happens…

195. Maj - April 5, 2011

@192

I love those “gaps in the timeframe” — It leaves the door open for interesting speculation, like now.

Have you ever tried to write a story, even a short one? I’d actually found it more difficult to open up a story than to close one. It’s nice to know the parallel reality has it’s doors open.

The sequel could be about anything really because nothing in the origin story had been set to constrain future stories, or so it would seem by and large. Although, the Vulcan planet was destroyed, but principally nothing was carved in stone per se.

196. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

Ryan

I know, it’s all subjective like taste in music. I think DiCaprio is a brilliant actor, just wasted in Inception. Although, apparently Leo made a deal where he got paid a percentage off each movie ticket sold. It made him something like 50 million! So, smart move business wise!

197. Sarah - April 5, 2011

Romulans! Romulans!

198. Sarah - April 5, 2011

Actually, scratch that. Maybe this movie could introduce the TOS crew to the Cardassians

199. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 5, 2011

114. “Klingons make the best sense for a new movie villain. The Federation just had several Starfleet ships destroyed by Nero and Vulcan has been destroyed.”

Remember, the Klingons lost 47 ships. They’re in no position to take advantage. But perhaps a situation develops, and opportunity presents itself from an unexpected threat, while they and the Federation are licking their wounds – something unforseen fills in power vacuum and thratens the balance of power…

200. Endeavour Crew - April 5, 2011

My bet is the movie will not be a simple “one villain” movie.

Think Klingon minor sub-plot and “new villain concept” main plot.

I also think it’ll be longer than the 127 minutes we had in STAR TREK.

Any thoughts on that Bob?

201. Bob Tompkins - April 5, 2011

In keeping with Roddenberry’s methodology of commenting on current social and political problems onscreen, equate the Federation and the Klingons with the way a lot of Americans feel about Muslims.

The script practically writes itself.

202. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2011

Um, how does one scream “jihad” in Klingon?

203. Spock - April 5, 2011

Ive got an idea- WRITE SOMETHING NEW! we need something that we cannot even think of or fathom, DO NOT rehash Khan, Ricardo was Khan, and while you are at it do not rehash anything else, maybe homage but no more than that.

204. Simon - April 5, 2011

#203 – “Ricardo was Khan” – ???

Shatner was Kirk. Kelley was McCoy. Nimoy was Spock, etc.

Not anymore. It’s ok to replace the entire TOS cast but don’t dare have another actor portray someone with less than 3 hours of screen time in all of STAR TREK?

What’s your point again?

205. Paul Fitz - April 5, 2011

Female Villain please.

206. captain_neill - April 5, 2011

I am very interested in this ‘concept’ idea, Could be something more akin to Star Trek.

I would be in favour of that more than a redo of a classic villain.

Khan is a Star Trek classic and I don’t think Khan should be redone because it would not equal or surpass Space Seed and TWOK in my opinion.

The Gorn could be interesting to see as Arena is one of my favourites and The Borg don’t belong in the Kirk time frame, even though this is a new universe.

And I don’t want another villain out for revenge as that has been a motivation of the villain for the last 3 movies in a row.

New concept could be the way to go. Anything that plays to the strengths of what makes great Star Trek is a winner in my books.

207. Admiral_Bumblebee - April 5, 2011

Resurrected Prime Kirk should be the “villain”. Someone or something resurrected him and wiped his memory and now he is out to kill his younger self in the new timeline.

The crew has to work together with Prime Spock to defeat Prime Kirk and through a mind meld, Prime Spock brings back Prime Kirks memory. They team up to fight the bigger evil that resurrected Prime Kirk and then Prime Spock and Prime Kirk fly away into the sunset.

What about a mad scientist that will be defeated at the beginning of the movie. He tried soemthing with timetravel and parallel universes that threatened to destroy everything. The crew of the Enterprise thinks him dead, but he somehow managed to survive and als manages to resurrect Prime Kirk and bring him to the new universe…

208. johnbijl - April 5, 2011

FLYING HORTA!

209. My Best Fiend - April 5, 2011

It was said once that good movies should never be re-made, but rather poor movies that had interesting hooks and concepts. The example that was provided was “The Fly”…

I much the same manner, why all this focus on Khan or some other well known baddie? I always thought the Korob/Silvia concept was cheesy in execution, but a sound idea fraught with cinematic possibilities. Heck, I still think their natural Ornithoid forms were the second most “alien” looking race ever executed on TOS (right behind the Horta), albeit the marionette threads and slow-motion rendered them ridiculous in appearance.

Anyway, my vote for an intriguing villain who deserves a re-make is Lord Garth of Izar. Paramount could fork over the cash to get an A-List guest star and there’d be plenty of room for scenery chewing.

210. captain_neill - April 6, 2011

209

I liked Garth of Izar but I don’t think he would be great movie material.

211. reb - April 6, 2011

164. gingerly – April 5, 2011
@160

I thought Cupcake was Finnegan. ;)

How I would’ve loved that!

I also think it would be nice if not only did Capt. Archer’s beagle suddenly showed up on the transporter pad and Archer reclaimed him.

It would be nice to have someone named LaForge appear in the next film. Male or female.

If there must be a villain. A female one who was ruthless, big and menacing would be good. Or you could do big and small. Master Blaster and Brain kind of thing.

I also want a pony…

Or how about a story about a ” State of Being”
story. The Enterprise becomes “sentient”. “I, Enterprise” or is somehow transformed from machine to organism and it begins rejecting its human “parasites.” All while Kirk and Company are in a stand off between several new Empires.

212. Jack - April 6, 2011

193. I’m with Harry on this one. Inception was slick, but there wasn’t much there, there.

213. Cathi - April 6, 2011

If it’s not a villain from the first season what is left?
“Errand of Mercy” -> Klingons
“Space Seed” -> Khan
“Mudd’s Women” -> Mudd

I voted for Klingons but a new villain concept’s also fine be me ;)

214. Miko - April 6, 2011

DOOMSDAY MACHINE!! This would truly wreak havoc with all races and all worlds! Obliterate Star ships and space stations. This would be a scary concept. Kirk and crew could intercept distress call from the USS Constellation and so the story unfolds.

215. Øystein Håvard Færder - April 6, 2011

Please let the Star Trek sequel be an exploration movie and NOT a villain movie. Do not misunderstand, ST09 was great but it’s now time for people to side the other sides of Star Trek, about going “boldly where no man has gone before”.

But there has to be some enemies and I want the enemies to be KLINGONS, because Kirk’s worst enemies where always klingons, and make the klingons even more klingon than ever before!

216. Michael - April 6, 2011

There are so many unexplored races in Star Trek. The Breen for example. Sure we saw them fight alongside Cardassians and Jem’Hadar, but they somewhat just appeared and their reasons for joining, their latent hostility were never explained. We never even got to see one, although you’d imagine, that in a war, Starfleet would be able to retrieve some corpses of a mysterious enemy for study.

217. Ian Fee - April 6, 2011

Damon Lindelof locks Bob and Alex out of the writing room and creates a story where Spock Prime realises that he died in the black hole and the whole first movie was set in Purgatory. At the end, the Turbolift doors swish open to reveal William Shatner as Kirk, welcoming him into the afterlife. Final shot is Spock smiling as Admiral Archer’s beagle reappears beside him.

218. Lope de Aguirre - April 6, 2011

I really hope it won’t be the Klingons.
They can be cool but they were in ALL TOS films except II.
And besides they were also in VII, if you count Worf, they were in all TNG films as well.

Also not AGAIN a villain.
From VI-XI they were in 6 Trek films in a row and II + III had also a villain so it adds up to 8 villian movies out of 11.

Although the films with higher concepts are flawed fo one reson or another – I treasue ALL the attempts to give Trek more depth than the next action “kill the bad guy” flics.

Don’t get me wrong, I cosider “The Undiscvovered Country” and “First Contact” – two bad guy movies – to be the best Trek films but mainly cause the heros are a bit more grey + flawed a fantastic Trek race is played out well in both of them. The great visuals and acting do their share also.

I find V’Ger very fascinating and overall like “The Motion Picture”, I like the probe of “The Voyage Home” although I can’t stand the film and I enjoy the Nexus very much although they hurt the concept by using it solely as a divice to bring Kirk + Picard together.
I also like Sybok and the whole antagonist who is NOT a villain approach.

219. Travis - April 6, 2011

( 169 ) BUCKY: Where in the mini-series does Nero say he intercepted V’ger???. He doesn’t sir. V’ger came from NASA in the 20th century, a probe called Voyager 6. Nero can’t change the mission nor path of V’ger because in time travel… The past is the PAST. Whatever happens in the past before Nero arrived, those past events will go on as schedule like in the Prime Timeline. So The Enterprise would have to save earth again from V’ger.

220. Dac - April 6, 2011

It would be sweet opening the flick with a Border skirmish between the Enterprise and some Klingons – Have it reflect the Kobayashi Maru, but then after some action beats its generally resolved and the new, “concept” villain is introduced.

221. P Technobabble - April 6, 2011

Since the new Trek takes place early on in the adventures of the characters, wouldn’t it make sense that the villain would be someone or thing from the first season of TOS? Of course, this is presuming the altered universe – though it plays out differently – still follows the basic path of the TOS universe.

I think of TMP, TVH and TFF more as “challenge” movies, rather than villain movies. The “villains” of these films were never clearly defined, IMO, and the only one that really succeeded was TVH. The whales were beings we could care about, truly sympathetic characters being slaughtered by (surprise) human beings. Here, we get something of an education about the whales, and Kirk is not only saving the Earth, he’s saving the whales.
TMP and TFF both lacked a “villain” we could relate to and care about. While V’ger was doing pretty much the same thing the whale-probe was doing, V’ger’s problem was a bit too abstract. The questions, “Is this all I am? Is there nothing more?” would have been better suited for a movie about Greek philosophers. As a Star Trek film it didn’t make for a very exciting movie. Not everyone has such questions burning in them, so why would they care? The fact that the Earth was in danger never seemed like an urgent crisis. There wasn’t enough emotional connection. For example. when the Earth was taken over by the Borg in FC, that was shocking and disturbing. TMP did not evoke that feeling, IMO.
As for Sybok, he was also too vague. Stealing a starship in order to find God in a specific place in outer space is a silly, immature premise — unless Sybok was truly mad. Was he a madman? Not really. He was relieving people of their inner pain, an act of compassion (wasn’t the working title of this film “An Act of Love?”). That doesn’t seem like the sort of thing a madman with a cause would do.
(With that said, I still enjoy both of those films, for other reasons).
The new Trek sequel needs to have a powerful, seemingly invincible villain, and a consequence we can all relate to and really care about.
My 1/2 cent…

222. Robert H. - April 6, 2011

I’ve been batting around an idea of an Abramsverse story where a Federation mining colony was destroyed by an energy pulse that came from deep space. The Enterprise finds another planet that also fell victim to the exact same type of energy pulse decades before, and then they triangulated it into an unexplored region of space.

Basically the source of the energy pulse is the primary villain while the Klingons are the secondary cause they are also in pursuit of this same source to concur the Federation. Oh, and to make things worse, a third villain. A spy on board the Enterprise that lead the Klingons to the planet the Enterprise was orbiting that had the biggest key to the location of the energy pulses.

223. Holger - April 6, 2011

Good thing about Star Trek on TV: it’s beyond such simplistic patterns like good/evil or hero/villain. Even in TOS, things are ususally more subtle.

That’s one of the reasons why Trek never worked very well on the big screen (IMO, of course). Because moviemakers just don’t get rid of the notion that their audiences need a villain in order to focus emotions and in order to make movies exciting or something. (TMP – no villain. I love it!)

224. Randall - April 6, 2011

ENOUGH ALREADY with the vengeance-obsessed, insane villains. Give us FUN “villains” you can like—Klingon characters like Kor, Kang, Koloth—likable nemeses for Kirk, not homicidal maniacs. But I also think the “villain” should be secondary here… because ENOUGH already, also, with the good vs. evil crap. Please for the love of god have the next movie explore some intelligent themes along with the fun, action, good guy/bad guy stuff. PLEASE. I realize that’s now how blockbuster-minded Hollywood works, but come on. Star Trek was all about the intelligent theme underlying things–not always, no—sometimes the show was just cheesy and ridiculous—but for the most part you didn’t see “villains” per se, but rather you got concepts, ideas, etc. that had to be overcome or dealt with in a creative manner. GO that route, and throw some LIKABLY “bad” Klingons in for fun. Think of how awesome an updated Kor could be, for example—a new classic villain that could recur in future films, maybe, played by some talented actor who could bring the character dimension and wonderfully cheesy humor…. who could make the audience feel affection for him even as they root for Kirk to beat his ass.

225. Trek Nerd Central - April 6, 2011

“Concept.” Hmm. Well, that could mean A.I. — that is, an out-of-control computer, a classic and recurring villain in all three seasons of TOS and ST:TMP.

It’s been a LONG time since Kirk talked a wackjob computer into blowing itself up, hasn’t it? We’re way overdue. So maybe Orci & Co. are returning to the Archons, for instance?

226. Horatio - April 6, 2011

Hmmm, how about some of the more minor bad guys like Trelaine? Space Hippies? M5? Melvin Belli?

227. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 6, 2011

I think that Harry Ballz should be the new villain for Trek 12. He is Evil. He would be perfect.

228. Commander - April 6, 2011

Hm..Let’s see:

- Romulans are my favorite ST race, but they were the main villains in the last movie & played an important role in “Nemesis” so, I would say “not again. it gets boring”.
- IMO Borg don’t fit into a TOS universe
- Other TNG era species IMO also feel out of place in the 23rd century (Ferengi, Cardassians, Dominion, etc.)
- Using Khan would feel like a retelling of TWOK, even if it’s a new & unique story
- I don’t like new hostile alien species in ST movies (Son’a…)
- other alien entites are overdone (V’Ger, Whale probe, etc.)

So that would leave Gorn, Tholians & Klingons which I all would like to see in an upcoming movie. From all 3 I prefer Klingons the most, so my vote goes to them.

229. Desstruxion - April 6, 2011

Tribbles……it has to be tribbles. Make em mean this time. Bloodsucking little fur balls.

230. simon - April 6, 2011

he lied he looked at the right side of his head…..the vilain would be from the 1st season……

231. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 6, 2011

Not too fond of the “villian” idea but, it we do head down that path, again, then we should have a different type of psychotic personality,charmingly detached, maybe like those two guys in Diamonds are Forever, (that is if I’m remembering them correctly, it’s been a long time – and I’m old, obviously), or maybe darker like Travolta and Jackson in Pulp Fiction.

232. NC Trekker - April 6, 2011

Here is the situation at the end of the last film:

Federation weakened by loss of starships and the planet Vulcan
Klingons weakened by loss of 47 warbirds (big loss)
Romulans maybe heard about future loss of their homeworld

Plot of next movie is obvious: Romulans want to find another homeworld and/or prevent destruction of current one. Surviving Vulcans need homeworld also. Some renegade Vulcans ally with Romulans for war against weakened Federation and Klingons.

233. Angel - April 6, 2011

How about a villain with a sense of humour? Well that would no doubt be inviting trouble with the prospect of having a Q continuum guy twisting the timelines around and causing all the captains of the future Trek films to join forces to save the Federation being extinct, as this Q guy introduces a nasty alien race into the fray, bent on wiping out the human race. They all gang up on the Q guy to put things back to how they were, but the masters of the Q continuum punish him for misappropriation of his powers at a critical point. That leads to mayhem as all the captains in their respective ships find a weak spot in the alien craft and send tactical navy seals in holographic armour plating to sabotage the alien weapon before it is fired upon Earth. It is at this point that the timelines begin to unwind and everyone returns to their own years. When all the captains return to their time-lines it seem as though they had never been taken out of it.

234. ster j - April 6, 2011

How about a list of things from Spock Prime that they should do to avoid get losses down the line? A short list might include:

1. Blow up the SS Botany Bay on sight.
2. Fill an unmanned craft with anti-matter and shoot it into the Doomsday Machine.
3. Put a “no fly zone” around the Guardian of Forever.
4. Be proactive and get a pair of humpbacked whales from the 20th C NOW before it’s too late.
5. Tell Sybok his dream of Sha Kar’ee is nothing but alien influence.
6. Find a new homeworld for Romulans. (I like that one. Thanks to whomever suggested that above.)
7. Fix Sarek’s heart NOW before the heart attack.
8. Help the Yonadans and get that list of Fabrini cures before McCoy comes down with xenopolycythemia.
9. Steer clear of the goofballs like Trelane, Harry Mudd, Cyrano Jones, the wackjobs from Charon, the space hippies, etc.,
10. Keep an eye on Cartwright and the rest of the conspirators from ST6
11. Get John Gill off of Ekos before he re-starts the Nazis there!

Just a short list…

235. Saspearia - April 6, 2011

The Klingons need to be in a Star Trek Film as much as you need Vulcans and Humans but the best episodes/films are when there is a concept dilemma. I think the implications of the timeline needs to be a big deal. Maybe a bit of crossover with the prime timeline?

236. Harry Ballz - April 6, 2011

227. Commodore Mike

Evil? No, I’m not evil! I’m simply misunderstood!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

237. ensign joe - April 6, 2011

@ 234

lol sounds like a good opening montage.. Spock’s bucket list!

12. Send probe with “Data Dump” codes with radio transmission capabilities on the V’ger approach vector.

238. Christopher Roberts - April 6, 2011

A new take on the Romulans is what’s needed. Sorry but Nero just wasn’t it.

Klingons presence felt, but no more than that. We know everything about the sometimes smooth, sometimes bumpy headed lot. If you don’t, there’s countless TNG and DS9 episodes that cover it.

Romulans have always been harder to define, at least onscreen.

I’d have thought they’d be seeking to capitalise on the Federation’s recent losses. What with their cousins the Vulcans, having helped create that rival intergalactic union to the Romulan Star Empire. You just know they wouldn’t sit back and not take an opportunity like that, to get back at humanity after their defeat in the war. Admittedly Star Trek Enterprise was cancelled before they could get that far, but Bob Orci et all should seek out Manny Coto and Mike Sussman for the direction they were heading in. A direction now firmly in the Divergent Universe’s past.

239. Christopher Roberts - April 6, 2011

238. (cont) Or maybe “Balance of Terror” covered it all. I don’t know.

It always seemed to be Styles was all too sure, there were Romulan spies in their midst. As if that was a well-known tactic and humankind had just never caught them in the act.

Plus don’t those nacelles on a Romulan Bird-of-prey look very Starfleet.

I’m saying nothin’!

240. Christopher Roberts - April 6, 2011

239. (EDIT) It always seemed to me Styles was…

241. trekker 5 - April 6, 2011

i want something new! a concept 4 sure! i would also like 2 see kirk meet carol,they could make david,and both of them die in StarTrek 3! [that would be carol & david.]

242. Red-Shirted Monkey - April 6, 2011

Spores, al la “This Side of Paradise”, could be the new villain. The spores’ influence could cause our beloved characters to behave irrationally in ways that they would never, ever, ever, ever do otherwise. For instance, Spock and Uhura could dry hump on the transporter pad… er…never mind .

243. CJS - April 6, 2011

If they go with Balok, and hire the same actor, maybe Ron Howard will direct.

244. Deductor - April 6, 2011

I think it will be a villain concept like a combination of the crew fighting their own demons/hidden proclivities and their “mirrio universe” characteristics.
I’m basing this on what Orci said at ondercom.

245. Mel - April 6, 2011

I don’t understand, why so many people voted Klingons!

They were done to death in Star Trek. We have seen them tons of times in countless episodes and movies. I am so bored of them. There is absolutely nothing new and interesting to tell about them. Their whole culture is know in detail.

I really prefer a less used race as a villain or a new race. A “villain” concept would be also good. Just please no Klingons as the main enemy!

246. kersplat - April 6, 2011

I wouldn’t mind seeing TOS era Cardassians, even just as a cameo

247. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 6, 2011

I’m Sorry Harry. I just thought you might be Evil. just being Missunderstood does answer some questions.
Ok. For the Villain. Erica Durance. Perfect for the Villainous.

248. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 6, 2011

I know how we can get the Shat in the new Movie. Dr. Corby tries and clones Pine Kirk but he made a mistake in the cloning and when it is finished a older version of Kirk played by the Shat emerges but this one is hell bent on taking over the Federation. Problem solved. Shat in the movie with out canon problems.

249. Red-Shirted Monkey - April 6, 2011

A computer virus could be the new villain. We know from “Metamorphosis” the technology they have can interpret the thoughts of a cloud being, from “Mudd’s Women” it can detect misrepresentation of one’s identity, and from “A Taste of Armageddon” it can distinguish between seemingly exact voices. The computer virus could prevent the Enterprise computers from authenticating someone who has a quasi-Russian accent… er… never mind.

250. Phil - April 6, 2011

118. Simon – April 5, 2011

Relax, he’s speaking hypothetically….

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Fun female space villian? Barbarella…..

251. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 6, 2011

Ok. I have the perfct Villain for Star Trek.
The Termanator. He’s looking for Kirk.

252. virgin vulcan basement nerd - April 6, 2011

I vote Kor, Kang, other Klingon AND New villain ‘concept’. Why the hell not?

253. SciFiGuy - April 6, 2011

Concept over “villain”. We just had the villain of “week” with Nero…Star Trek shouldn’t be James Bond or Batman…with a “bad guy” in every movie…

254. RAMA - April 6, 2011

How about a Gorn/Tholian alliance? In terms of epic action movie–and yes it can have a theme, much like the original story–Doomsday Machine would be a huge box office, over-the-top bash. However, I kind of like a political/action thriller with the lesser known but intriguing Gorn/Tholians…and the new timeline means NO CANON violations! Think Hunt for Hunt for Red October with spaceships and the coolest aliens ever.

255. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - April 6, 2011

I think a mixture of a few of the villans would be pretty cool!

256. William VanderVoort - April 6, 2011

It’s all been done before – Star Trek needs to keep it fresh; let it be a new concept as the new villian things been over killed too. My real hope for the movie is the character’s grow out of their rebel youth and into thier sense of 50′s honor and dicipline that tempered the progressivness of the 1960′s, not that everything in the 60′s was bad. How bout a story about that – After the fall of Vulcan they’re dealt with a social situation that threatens the federation way of life on earth – full of terror attacks that kill people and what not. The crew of the Enterprise takes it on, brings out in the open the villians behind the scenes, and with humility, honor, and dicipline restores sanity.

257. MikeB - April 6, 2011

How bout we find out the first federation isn’t as nice as we might have thought. They could show up with a couple of their big sphere ships and prove they can actually kick some butt if they want to and toast the deaths of the enemies with Tranya!!!

258. AJ - April 6, 2011

Concept-Villains for 2012:

Bureaucracy
Autocracy
Race/religion-Hatred (we still have a long way to go)
Pseudo-religion, its leadership, and fake science
Fear (Nothing to fear but fear itself)
Natural/man-made disaster (already been done)
Needless war (Just what was the fleet doing in the Laurentian System?)

Trek has covered all of this already, but they are eternally classic Trek themes to be woven into whatever story the boys have in mind.

259. P Technobabble - April 6, 2011

“Arena” was one of the episodes I watched from my highly-treasured blu-ray dvd the other night. It’s certainly one of my favorite episodes. I think it would be interesting to see what the Gorn would look like on the big screen, whether elaborate make-up or CG. In the tv episode it really looked like the Gorn’s head was made of papier mache, thus rather difficult to feel the sense of repulsion Kirk confessed.
And, while I wouldn’t want to see Pine seriously injured, something closer to actual boulders would be nice. it would really reduce the silliness of those foam boulders that Shatner was playing with in the tv episode. It was hard to take those scenes seriously.

260. captain_neill - April 6, 2011

If there is a villain he definitely should have a different motive or agenda than just revenge.

So many themes that could be done with it.

261. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 6, 2011

I’m thinking … considering that few people ask for him now … they might surprise us all with … KHAN!!! … may be …

Well … the game we play to the producers …

Where is “boborci”? LOL …

:-) :-)

262. NuKirk - April 6, 2011

#7–stop with the Sybok hate! Just because the movie was bad doesn’t mean the character is crap too! Given the right people behind a film and the right script, ANY character can be made into a classic!

263. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

Bob, suggestion: (This could be addressable in dialogue).

The meaning of USS was always fuzzy. Sometimes it was United Space Ship, sometimes it was United Star Ship.

Both of those suck.

Spaceship and starship are better written as one word, which leaves the meaning of one “s” unaccounted for in the USS designation.

I’m suggesting United Space Starship, because I think “United Space” is an elegant alternative way of referring to the United Federation of Planets.

To reference a direct acronym for the United Federation of Planets in the ship designation would be awful. UFPS almost sounds like they deliver galactic mail for a living.

But United Federation of Planets, also known as United Space — that sounds cool.

264. RAMA - April 6, 2011

A favorite potential story concept of mine has always been the Preserver-species origin saga. There are a lot of mysteries there. A combination of STNG’s The Chase” with the Preserver race from TOS that we never saw would make for a huge story that would question and possibly answer the origins of the very universe of Star Trek!

265. RAMA - April 6, 2011

Also, such a story would not have to have a “bad guy” as such, only an ominous/mysterious adversary…the crew could explore the machinations of the Preservers whilst still stressing the concept of “origin” over conflict. Still there would be room for action as well.

266. Jorg Sacul - April 6, 2011

Tribbles!!

267. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 6, 2011

# 259 -

Yes would be awesome… Kirk/Pine in a fight with Gorn… CP would love to be trained for this scene, for sure … lol… I hope … at least it would be great listen about it when he was promoting the film … LOL

:-) :-)

268. Thomas - April 6, 2011

262. NuKirk

I actually agree with you. Sybok worked because Laurence Luckinbill was given the opportunity to do simply different with a Vulcan character and took advantage of it. He gave Sybok the gleam of a man who holds a sacred truth dearly and the confidence of his beliefs even though ultimately he was being misled.

269. Thomas - April 6, 2011

262. NuKirk

I actually agree with you. Sybok worked because Laurence Luckinbill was given the opportunity to do simply different with a Vulcan character and took advantage of it. He gave Sybok the gleam of a man who holds a sacred truth dearly and the confidence of his beliefs even though ultimately he was being misled.

270. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

Bob, something else to note:

Fans want a different engine room, sure, and that production art for the unproduced engine room set sure was spectacular, but it would break continuity with the first film, I think, to have something like that, if I remember that art correctly.

In two scenes in ST.09 we see the ceiling of the hangar deck which the nacelle struts are directly above. We see it when the cadets first board the ship, and again when Pike pilots the shuttle out.

So you can’t both respect that continuity and do a TMP style engine room where you have this massive horizontal core that splits like a Y at the end with each branch heading up through the struts toward the nacelles.

It would break continuity with the shuttle deck’s placement given the new design of the Enterprise.

271. Desstruxion - April 6, 2011

Godzilla……..in space.

272. Surak1701 - April 6, 2011

I’d love to see the next film not be so heavily dependent on a single (and often revenge obsessed) individual villain. I thought Eric Bana did a superb job with Nero, but looking back on the film series we’ve seen what Nimoy called ‘black-hat heavies’ become the norm – Khan, Kruge, Chang, Soran, the Borg Queen, R’uafo, Shinzon…. some charismatic and iconic villains there, but really only the first and fourth films have ventured into the kind of territory often covered in the TV incarnations. Admittedly, this must be more challenging to write, because it is harder to come up with a definition to the conflict. (The gauntlet is thrown. ;)

I’d love to see the characters tested, defined further, brought closer to the original show – and in some ways, further away. I’m not the biggest fan of the Spock-Uhura relationship, but it was at least a bold attempt to do something differently with iconic characters. We may not need a villain to do this. I believe the Kirk and Spock should become closer in the next film – we’ve seen their conflict already – and I’d love to see more of Kirk and Bones, their interplay is fabulous and Karl Urban was amazing despite my initial ‘WTF?’ reaction to his casting. It’ll be great to see a strengthening of the family and really see this crew kick ass. But I’d also love to see something unexpected in there that makes us fans sit up and take notice – and maybe even dislike. The Spock-Uhura relationship, the destruction of Vulcan, both bold moves that I still find uncomfortable but appreciate the desire to shake up the norm and say “these characters are really in jeapordy here”.

273. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2011

Why would it break continuity to have a new engineering room? All that would be needed to explain it is to include a couple of lines of dialogue stating how Scotty oversaw the the repairs of the Enterprise after the defeat of Nero. Perhaps something like how Scotty decided to redesign the engineering section because he wanted more efficiency and easier access to various areas.

274. reb - April 6, 2011

I definitely have faith in Bob, JJ and Alex. I love what they did with the reboot.

But I’m still wondering how we add the depth long time ST fans yearn for and expect in the Tranformers era?

(Transformers made 400 million, ST 200 domestic.)

That still burns my bridge crew.

275. Horatio - April 6, 2011

…vampire clouds, I-Morgs, space Nazis, space gangstas, alternate Romans, space amoebas, pesky enviromentalists…

276. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

273: “Why would it break continuity to have a new engineering room?”

Look at the scenes. It would destroy visual continuity if it was the SAME TYPE (TMP style) as I described because it would occupy the same space as the hangar deck.

I’m not saying they can’t do a different engine room. I’m saying they can’t respect continuity AND do a TMP style engine room unless they also redesign the hangar deck. If they just add an engine room that conflicts with the hangar deck in ST.09 but don’t show or refer to a redesigned hangar deck, then that’s a continuity failure.

277. Factchecker - April 6, 2011

Spock…it’s ME…it’s SYBOCK!

278. Trek Nerd Central - April 6, 2011

The Gorn. . . ?(Re: 259 & 267 & others.)

I don’t know. I fear that any Gorn update would involve lots of flashy CGI, which bores me.

I would much rather have a plain old villain with a bit of pancake make-up, you know? Or a computer as a villain. Or no villain at all.

I’d hate to see “Star Trek” morph into yet another soulless and digitized effects extravaganza. Its beating heart is story, character, humanity, ideas. Stick to that, I say — and leave the bling to other sci-fi franchises.

279. dmb1138 - April 6, 2011

@264

The Preservers! One of my favorite (relatively) unexplored areas of the Trek universe. The secret origin of human life, there’s a Star Trek concept if I’ve ever heard one. Maybe a conflict over Preserver artifacts, ala the comic book storyline that DC Fontana did with the crew and Klingons vying for an ancient underground Preserver city. That’s what I would love to see in the next film, something truly ancient and alien, something that plays up the ‘Strange New Worlds’ aspect of Star Trek.

280. Kirk, James T. - April 6, 2011

I’d love to see the Klingons, helmets and all but within a concept…

281. J.A.G.T. - April 6, 2011

To me the most thought-provoking aspects of Star Trek were always those which in general had something to to with the way we handle the unknown. so I think a “concept” villain would actually be the most Star Trek thing ;)
That would actually be a way to lead Star Trek back to its roots even more… So why not try “another TMP”?

282. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2011

276.
…….

It doesn’t have to be a TMP style engine room. I just don’t want to see the brewery again. I understood why J.J went with it in the first film, but it was just too obvious. As much as I disliked it, the small amount of time spentthere made it easier to swallow, but I’d prefer something that is futuristic. They wouldn’t necessarily have to redesign the hangar deck either. Some of the areas in between the hangar and engineering areas can remain the same or be tweaked a little bit. The hangar deck and engineering room don’t occupy the same space. They’re next to each other, sure, but the hangar deck doesn’t have to be affected too much if a new engine room is required. A new engine room can be designed while respecting the hangar deck design and aesthetics.

I’m not saying we need to see a vertical TMP-style core. But something along the lines of what we saw in the NX-01 combined with the TOS room might work nicely. Keep some of the pipes but lose the beer vats and spigots is what I’m saying.

283. captain_neill - April 6, 2011

282

I agree about the brewery.

If the brewery was dressed better, I could have bought it but it looked like a brewery loosely dressed to look like an engine room, not a source of power in 23rd Century.

284. Phil - April 6, 2011

276. dmduncan – April 6, 2011
If the engine room is changed please consider that Scotty isn’t just going to make changes. Whatever passes for ISO in Starfleet needs assurances that at least for the major components, everything is interchangable. A warp core or phaser battery that fits in one Constitution class ship needs to fit in all of them. This does not preclude Scotty making some changes but it needs to be done within whatever protocol exists for the fleet. At least in this timeline (in my opinion) it hasn’t been established yet that Scotty is writing specifications for the fleet, so he still is going to need to show the brass that he knows his stuff.

Resisting the urge to crack wise about converting the Enterprise to a passanger liner….

285. robbysteve64 - April 6, 2011

i would like to see the klingons but there is a storyline that would be interesting how bout a big screen version of “a piece of the action”. theres no villian just a highly adaptive species that copy’s a book left by a starship crew who explored there world plus it will have loads of laughs but not at itself tho

286. Shannon Nutt - April 6, 2011

I thought one of the few weak points of Star Trek (2009) was the villian, and it still turned out to be a great film. It’s not so much the villian, as it is what’s at stake and the effect the situation has upon our main group of characters. That said, I’ll be VERY suprised if the Klingons aren’t a major part of the plot (whether they be the main villians or an obstacle to our crew in some way).

287. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2011

If I had a penny for every time someone spells “villain” as “villian” I’d be the richest person in the world!

288. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

282: “The hangar deck and engineering room don’t occupy the same space. They’re next to each other, sure, but the hangar deck doesn’t have to be affected too much if a new engine room is required. A new engine room can be designed while respecting the hangar deck design and aesthetics.”

Dude, I’m just giving Bob a heads up, because if they do a mega version of the TMP engine where the pipes go back and then branch off going up to the nacelles, then yes, it will most definitely conflict because they put the struts where they put them which is right on top of the hangar deck. But if he’s aware of the conflict then he can have some input and say “this design is cool but it doesn’t fit what we did in the first movie, so can we consider how it fits a little it more?”

They are far from that point yet, which is why I’m raising the point to Bob now. But this is cool. Really cool. You can fit this just fore of the hangar deck, but you can’t route it up to the nacelles the same way as in TMP, which is what I’m talking about.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:USS_Enterprise_engineering_concept_2.jpg

289. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

284. Phil – April 6, 2011

I think you meant that for Red Dead Ryan.

290. Flint - April 6, 2011

The mission is too seeek out new life and new civilizations. Instead of a story having some alien or race bent on revenge or greed, let the crew explore space and find worlds or powers that test the human species. Species that put them through trials which builds them as charactors and companions. Some of TOS episodes were of that nature which set them apart and the movies shifted more tword action and Klingons.

291. Phil - April 6, 2011

288. dmduncan – April 6, 2011
Probably both of you. Don’t think I’m really disagreeing, just suggesting that at least at this point in the franchise Scotty just can’t run wild in engineering just yet.

I like engineering being a bit vague in it’s appearance – as warp design is nothing more then psudoscience at this point its good not to get into to much detail about it.. Since TMP the warp core has tended to be the focal point of a starships engineering room, as the source of the ships power. All it is, though is a bunch of glowing tubes. No one wants to see the brewery, but if your engine room is contining a controlled matter/antimatter reaction, converting it to power (somehow), and then channeling it to the engines, where god knows what is going on, the the brewery was not a bad choice. If you don’t like that, I’d suggest a power plant. I had always envisioned what I saw on TOS as more of a control room, anyway.

292. Red-Shirted Monkey - April 6, 2011

The villain should be a disgruntled maitre d’ seeking revenge for the theft of his station that is now inexplicably installed on the bridge.

293. Stargazer54 - April 6, 2011

Incoming message from the Guardian of Forever . . .

“Queen . . . is dead”

Then all hell breaks loose.

294. Eff It - April 6, 2011

As long as the villain is something I’m familiar with, it’s cool. Klingons, Energy Blob Monster, Spacetime Anomaly, Borg, Khan….whatever. As a devoted Star Trek fan, I only want to see the same thing over and over and over and over again. The same villains, the same basic premise, the same show, again & again & again. That’s what makes me happy.

“To Boldly Go Where We’ve Already Been Countless Times…”

295. Allenburch - April 6, 2011

294. Eff It

you must be married

296. Horatio - April 6, 2011

….I know, in this altered timeline Janice Rand is a complete psycho case who has a fatal attraction for Kirk and has made it her life long goal to destroy all the other women in his life (including Enterprise) so that she alone can bring him his coffee thats been heated with a phaser set on zap.

Hey, this could work. If Uhura can keep getting up from her duty station during critical operations to make sure her pouting Vulcan love buddy’s feelings aren’t hurt I don’t see a problem with Bizarro-Rand. Whaddya think?

297. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

291. Phil – April 6, 2011

I actually liked the TOS Enterprise engine room. It was simple and yet believable. Although much more epic, I thought the TMP engine room tried to show too much as far as how it worked. Realistically, I don’t think a starship engine is going to look cool. It’s probably going to look dangerous, which is the impression the TOS engine room gives me since the “reactor” is separated from the crew and not something people walk around cavalierly as in TMP and TNG.

298. Dr. Image - April 6, 2011

KOR. And cast him wisely…. maybe Mark Sheppard!!! YES!

299. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

Also, I think blueprints placed the TOS engine room in front of the impulse engines, so maybe warp engine functions should be controlled from there. Perhaps the warp engines shouldn’t have an engine room. Perhaps everything they need to function should be contained in the nacelles and separated from the crew, and the impulse engine room is the only one we see.

300. Keachick - April 6, 2011

“Resisting the urge to crack wise about converting the Enterprise to a passanger liner…”

Actually, the Enterprise in both TOS and TNG did carry one or two passengers on occasion. If the Challenger had not exploded, because of structural problems (something to do with extreme heat/cold, I think), that young school teacher would have been the first “passenger” in space, ie she did not work for NASA as an astronaut, nor was she in the military. Very tragic event.

301. Khan was Framed! - April 6, 2011

I’ll say it again; Kor & Harry Mudd.

Mudd should be played by an actor who can find the right balance of sinister greed & bumbling comic relief to do the character justice, the only one I can envision is Paul Giamatti.

Kor could be cast from any number of young actors & should be the Klingon foil to Kirk; his equal on all levels.

I can see a nice simple plot where Harry Mudd’s greed has led him to come into possession of someone or something that threatens the Klingon empire. They then threaten war if the federation refuses to hand Mudd over to them who is by this point taking asylum on the Enterprise.

No we have stand off that can boil over in any number of ways & allows for a morality tale about the nature of war which is worthy of TOS.

One more thing; a nice catfight between Uhura & a female Klingon played by Rosario Dawson, please!!

302. somethoughts - April 6, 2011

Bob mentioned, robots(mudd or borg), and klingons.

Klingons or borg origin story would be kick ass. I could see kung fu Panda as mudd.

How the crew bonds n grows as a family dealing with borg or klingons origin story with some awesome sci fi concept thrown in, cloaking tech, inception, source code etc

303. cm1701 - April 6, 2011

Concept Baby.

Lets get back to Trek.

Trek 1 was a concept, but dull- Trek 4 was a concept but now a bit corny in hindsight.

Just make it a compelling story that we haven’t seen. There were a few interesting ideas in the Trek Phase II guide – Some could have even been made better on the big screen.

My 2 cents-

No Brewery Engine room please.

If one can’t be built, just don’t include the scene. I trust Scotty to work his majicks anywhere.

304. Cobalt 1365 - April 6, 2011

Just addressing the current engine room discussion… there’s already some minor continuity in place for redesigning the engine room. Because of the ejection of the warp core combined with the considerable damage sustained , that it was expedient to redesign and refit the engine room. I don’t know if it’s been mentioned on here, but the idea at least makes sense in my mind

305. Phil - April 6, 2011

297. dmduncan – April 6, 2011
Agree with your observation about engineering from TMP on. They tried to show too much, without really showing anything at all. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, so it seems to me that the main propulsion system will consist of:
-Warp core, which contains a controlled matter/antimatter reaction.
-Some construct to turn that reaction into useful power.
-A means to transport that power to the engines
-The actual warp engines.
One glaring error from TMPon was an apparent lack of redundancy in main power. Seriously, one warp core!! Considering how often they failed in the series Starfleet must has dozens of ships marooned throughout the galaxey. Happily, the engine room in Trek 09 addressed that oversight. I’m guessing that secondary systems would draw their power from other sources – impulse engines and thrusters suggest the burning of fuel, so there would probably be enough recycled power from these systems to power environmental controls, navigation and other systems. I’d also think these would be dedicated power sources as well, considering that if your starship was totally powered by one warp core, even the slightest failure of that one critical system would prove catastrophic.
There is probably a happy middle ground here, the actual engine room (rooms? it’s a big ship, there has to be more then one) can stay as it is, and perhaps engineering control can look a little more like the other habitable areas on the ship. Just a thought…

306. Phil - April 6, 2011

300. Keachick – April 6, 2011

Diplomatic missions. Before air transportation became safe and reliable is was not uncommon for Presidents and Prime Ministers to travel on either a warship or passanger vessel under escort when they headed out of country.

The Challenger disaster occured because weather conditions allowed a known design flaw to actually manifest itself. The Teacher in Space program was a PR stunt that went horribly wrong, NASA had no business putting a civilian in harms way like that, but politics being what they are, it happened. No issue with civilians going into space, but the private sector needs to handle that, along with any commerical ventures that come along.

307. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

BOB, posts 263, 270. You copy Houston? Where’s my “noted”?

308. Crewman Darnell - April 6, 2011

Clearly, many fans are (understandably) turned off at this point by yet another vengeance-driven madman villain, but I still love the idea of a “Heart of Darkness” style villain, Fleet Captain Garth. Given his impressive reputation as a leader and tactician, it would make an interesting story to see what havoc he created and how he finally ended up being reeled in *before* being remanded to the loony bin on Elba II.

309. Thomas - April 6, 2011

305. Phil:
“One glaring error from TMPon was an apparent lack of redundancy in main power. Seriously, one warp core!! Considering how often they failed in the series Starfleet must has dozens of ships marooned throughout the galaxy. Happily, the engine room in Trek 09 addressed that oversight.”

Absolutely. Some people on previous threads have complained that having multiple cores made no sense, an argument made particularly rediculous since the “fact” people used pretty much boiled down to “it’s not like it was before.” Having only one made no sense, since if it failed (or in the case of VOY, stolen on one occasion), the ship was stuck. In the new design, if one failed, they could eject just the one and likely still get enough power to make a safe getaway.

310. Keachick - April 6, 2011

#306 – “NASA had no business putting a civilian in harms way like that, but politics being what they are, it happened. No issue with civilians going into space, but the private sector needs to handle that, along with any commerical ventures that come along.”

Why would the outcome have been any different if the private sector had been in charge of the Challenger? Would a private sector company been able to detect the flaw beforehand any better than NASA? I mean, NASA has been making rockets, shuttles, space buggies etc longer than anyone. I would have thought that NASA has greater knowledge and expertise than any private sector organisation would have. It is highly likely that what knowledge gained by the private sector would be coming to them via NASA anyway. The last I heard, NASA was civilian organisation, which is why it is so underfunded, unlike the military, of course…Ugh!

Who is to say that people may not be put in harm’s way by a fatal undiagnosed flaw in a space going vessel belonging to the private sector? The problem was/is about the technology, its limitations and the lack of understanding of how some things work or don’t work as they are expected to.

311. somethoughts - April 6, 2011

#310

Govt is known to be less innovative due to lack of competition, their budgets bloated and lack of promoted talent within leading to mistakes made by non qualified folks that has caused avoidable deaths if compared to the private sector.

312. Khan was Framed! - April 6, 2011

305 & 309 – There are a couple of redundancies: the impulse drive & subspace communication.

Having an additional engine on board would be an extremely indulgent & costly use of resources. Plus these things don’t seem very stable, I don’t know if you’d really want to be around two matter-antimatter reactors.

Consider what happens if your car breaks down in the middle of no where, you either call someone for help on your cell phone, walk to the nearest gas station or get out & push.
In fact, you may even keep some supplies & repair tools in your car for just such an event.
But you don’t have a whole second engine just in case.

In Trek this is done by calling the fleet for help over subspace, using the impulse drive to slowly get to the nearest starbase or attempting to repair the warp drive with the equipment on board.
Its one of the risks that makes joining Starfleet an adventure & not just another job.

More than one warp core is inconsistent, unrealistic & was yet another way ST’09 failed to respect the source material.

I refuse to acknowledge that scene as anything more than a type-o & prefer to see it as Scotty ejecting the antimatter pods, effectively disabling the warp core, as it should have been written.

Mind you, I still have major issues with building a starship on the ground & there being a cop on Earth in the 22nd century, so whatever, I’m a purest.

Despite the glaring disrespect for Trek’s past, I still enjoyed the movie as a whole & can’t wait to see the sequel.

Back to the topic at hand, villains in the sequel.

I notice a lot of people saying “no Khan” whenever this topic is discussed & I want to respectfully disagree:

Khan is one of American cinema’s most iconic villains of all time & bringing his story back to the big screen in a sequel is a great idea if done right.

In fact, I’m pretty sure the hokey “time-travel-reboot” cliche that Orci & Kurtzman created was strictly done to allow them to revive Khan at some point. They’ve both indicated TWOK as their favourite Trek film.

I agree that this is a bad idea for part 2, but I feel strongly that if there’s a third film in this series, it should be “The Rise of Khan”; a retelling of “Space Seed” with a few twist like: a prologue showing Khan & his minions escaping from the enclosing armies of Earth in the Botany Bay & a more protracted plot in which Khan manages to successfully steal the Enterprise, forcing a marooned Kirk & company chase after him in another ship.

As long as Khan’s story ends with Kirk marooning him on Ceti Alpha 5, setting up the events of TWOK to unfold as they did in any universe.

In the meantime, Mudd & Kor for part 2.

This whole “concept” debate makes no sense; to properly have a concept challenge be the driving plot, you require an entity to personify it, for example the “probes” in both TMP & TVH.

Otherwise what is there? Kirk vs. jealousy?

313. somethoughts - April 6, 2011

Nasa has a pretty bad track record for detecting/fixing probems be it pre launch, post launch. I understand space travel is dangerous and many more deaths will occur but you can limit mistakes, and save lives,something Nasa hasnt done.

Nasa is good at withholding secrets from the public though, cigar and monuments/base on moon/mars and photoshopping anything that changes earths religious beliefs. Jfk wanted the public to know hence his termination.

314. Phil - April 6, 2011

310. Keachick – April 6, 2011
Revisionist history. NASA dosen’t make anything, they just manage the activity. They knew about the flaw, it was recommended the launch be scrubbed because of the weather, and they launched anyway. NASA is a government agency, and as such is subject to the bureaucracy inherent with civilian government. The private sector would not have been in charge of a space shuttle launch. As long as the government sees fit to explore space, then the roles for that exploration need to be well defined. In my opinion, joyrides are not something the taxpayers need to be funding, if Richard Branson thinks he can turn a buck with that, more power to him. As far as the Feds are concerned, fund the research, perfect the the technology, then get out of the way. If the need ever arises to protect the planet from an extraterrestrial force, then that’s what we have the Air Force for.

315. dmduncan - April 6, 2011

SpaceX, FYI, is preparing to launch the biggest rocket to leave America since the Saturn V. Private company, SpaceX.

Black budget ops will continue, but the public face of space exploration is going to be private.

316. Odkin - April 6, 2011

I’m on the record for Mirror Universe or Mudd (Nathan Lane!), but let me tell you what it must NOT be:

Avoid any sort of shady political intrigue, or renegade Starfleet/Federation “black ops” faction. Star Trek occassionally had “bad apple” captains, but never anything maleveolent at an institutional level.

If we are told that Starfleet/Federation Command can’t weed out highly ranked nut case, then what’s the whole point of the future? Star Trek should breed confidence that somehow humanity will get it right.

317. MJ - April 6, 2011

Notice that The Doomsday Machine fits in perfectly with what Bob says:

– It is season 2, not season 1 (notice Bob thinking about this)

– It provides both a concept villain and a person conflicted villain as well — this fits in perfectly with Bob’s comments.

318. Phil - April 6, 2011

312. Khan was Framed! – April 6, 2011
305 & 309 – There are a couple of redundancies: the impulse drive & subspace communication…..

A couple of flaws in your arguement there. All the impulse engings do is ensure you are not drifting in space. Warp drive gets you from point A to point B. The impulse engines are for parking the ship in orbit, and limited sub light travel. There were several times when the ship was out of communications range, so you can’t really call that a redundancy.
The comparison to the passenger car isn’t that good, either. When you look any any modern mass transportation, be it rail, air, or ship there are multiple redundancies to main power. Multiple locomotives on trains. All planes and ships are designed to function with one powerplant, when they have several. I see no reason why the design protocals would be any different in the future. Yeah, catastrophic failures occur, but they are very rare these days.

319. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 6, 2011

311. What about the drive for profits? Has that ever led to disaster? Does cutting back on staff, lobbying for less regs, short cuts around safety regulations sound familiar? Whether it be the airlines, coal mines, the BP oil spill, the banks and the financial crisis, the handling of the current nuclear crisis in Japan, (am I leaving anything out?) the private industry played a role.

320. Phil - April 6, 2011

319. No one is saying the private sector isn’t trouble free. Government produces nothing – there would be no power, transporation, or all the wonderful tech goodies we all enjoy without the private sector. Government has it’s place – before the FAA came along planes fell from the sky at an alarming rate. Manufacturing standardization, testing and inspections are in place, and air travel is the safest way to go. On the other hand, here in the Great Bankrupt State of California, all bloated government, crushing regulation, and sky high taxes have given us is record unemployment and not much else.

321. Keachick - April 6, 2011

#313 – “Nasa is good at withholding secrets from the public though, cigar and monuments/base on moon/mars and photoshopping anything that changes earths religious beliefs. Jfk wanted the public to know hence his termination.”

So, now it is Nasa that was responsible for JFK’s assassination. Gee, JFK sure managed to piss off a lot of brass…

Where an Orci when you need him? Did you hear this, Bob? You read it here first.

322. somethoughts - April 6, 2011

#321

Nasa like many govt branches was/is controlled by the cia/fbi/mob

323. Phil - April 6, 2011

322. What??!!??…..

324. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease - April 6, 2011

You guys are getting deep into the Jesse Ventura weeds. Trek12 shouldn’t be either Atlas Shrugged or Reds.

I like the idea of Giamatti as a Klingon. But I want him as a season one REAL Klingon. The Klingon model that Nimoy created in ST3TSFS is too cartoonish for my taste. It only got worse in TNG. All the pseudo-samurai crapola was too simplistic. The season one Klingons were cunning. They were conniving chess players. They were created to evoke a Soviet style nemesis for the US Federation. The Soviets were a real, tangible threat. I never got the impression that the later incarnations of the Klingons posed any kind of existential threat to the Federation. Let Giamatti pull off some real bad acts. Torture some Organians, or lay waste to some outposts, then lie about it, and give him a monologue (“…you got me monologuing!”) to expound upon evil, moral equivalence, freedom, honor, liberty, and cowardice. Hello Oscar.

325. Harry Ballz - April 6, 2011

JFK was killed by people within his own government, but it wasn’t NASA.

326. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 6, 2011

320. Well Phil, I yield to your understanding of those issues since I do not live in the great state of California, but it seems that those problems are in part the result of the voters and the propostions that create a more direct democracy. With it comes more responsibility and an understanding that you can’t have all those services for free. But know one wants to pay taxes either.

327. Jose Kuhn - April 6, 2011

I am hoping for more Suliban and a reboot of the Temporal cold war. I could not get enough. LONG LIVE ENSIGN DANIELS!!!

328. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 6, 2011

no one

329. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 6, 2011

Don’t get me wrong Phil, though I don’t believe the private sector is always the answer, I’m not a big fan of the government either. And I work for them in the summertime. That however has nothing to do with my opinions- I got involved with the Feds because of my love of fighting wildfires.

330. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 6, 2011

I knew the JFK reference would flush Harry out. Now where is Orci?

331. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2011

288.
…….

Okay, I’m sorry. I didn’t fully understand what you were getting at. I think the problem is, is that the secondary hull is either too small, or that it was pushed forward too far. Plus I think the brewery itself is too big to fit inside anyways, judging by the size of the hangar and the exterior of the secondary hull. I wish we had some schematics. It’s difficult watching the movie and/or looking at pictures guessing how everything fits, especially when the Enterprise’s true scale is inconsistent. Hopefully, the designers will tweak the ship a little bit to be more consistent, though I suppose there’s always been some inconsistencies in prior versions of Star Trek with regards to ship sizes and how everything fits, so I’m not sure that we’re ever going to get 100% accuracy. The only way to do that would be to build a real starship Enterprise, as depicted in the movie, but obviously that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

332. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2011

As for space exploration, the best way to go would be to make it a multinational, private-public venture. This way, costs could be shared and research, construction and tests wouldn’t be a burden on one agency (NASA). Plus, it might actually lead to world peace. :-)

333. captain_neill - April 7, 2011

In addition to Khan Was Framed’s comment

I think the dialogue said Warp Core and not Warp Cores.

331

In regards to the brewery there was one shot that took me right out of the illusion that this was on the Enterprise and that was the wide shot when Kirk and Scotty are being chased by some red shirts in the Engine room, you saw these big drums and large catwalk. It looked to massive and to me that was the engine room looking like a brewery.

If the brewery was dressed better to hide the fact that it was a brewery then it might have worked better, but it just doesn’t work for me.

I guess an Engine Room like the one on the Enterprise E would be a good scale.

334. MJ - April 7, 2011

@333 Captain, how was your “week off”? :=)

335. Luke Montgomery - April 7, 2011

It is Kahn. I heard this firthand from someone very close to the production… I for one was excited to hear this.

336. captain_neill - April 7, 2011

It was fine.

Did I miss much?

337. matthias - April 7, 2011

it should be a strange evil thing, but after all completeley different. i love the shedai from the book-series “vanguard”:

338. Thomas - April 7, 2011

335. Luke Montogomery:
“It is Kahn. I heard this firthand from someone very close to the production… I for one was excited to hear this.”

Really? Which one, Madeline or Shao?

339. The First Son of Krypton - April 7, 2011

I’ll take a concept as a villain.

How I’d write Trek XII: we have a distress call in the Neutral Zone from a starfleet outpost. The Enterprise arrives to check it out and finds it completely destroyed. Cue Bird of Prey decloaking. Also, I think if we reference Kirks hatred for Klingons by having Admiral Pike killed there it adds a new element. The Enterprise crew assume the Klingons are behind it but the Klingons reveal the real entity behind it and the two crews must work an uneasy alliance to stop it happening again, but at a cost, to save a Human colony they allow a Klingon one to fall and the Klingons can be left declaring a cold war.

Save the Klingons for the third and possibly final part of the JJ trilogy :D

340. IlSisko - April 7, 2011

The Preservers! ;)

341. SciFiGuy - April 7, 2011

I agree!! It should be The Preservatives!!! LOL

342. SciFiGuy - April 7, 2011

#339 — I like your idea!!

343. SciFiGuy - April 7, 2011

#234 — Also photon torpedo that ion ship from sigma draconis when it shoes up too so Spock can keep his skull intact in this universe! LOL!! Cos, ya know, everytime I see Spock post-Spocks Brain I think “that guy had his brain stolen!” And I’m always looking for the scar on his head…LOL!!

So, in the Abramsverse, we should just blow up that ion ship on first site!

344. CJS - April 7, 2011

One could argue that unchecked scientific hubris was the villain of Star Trek III, with David Marcus revealing his protomatter shortcut that made the whole experiment unstable. Kruge was just along as a side villain looking to exploit its power. And Spock was the lucky recipient of a side benefit.

Although the film had it’s weaknesses (the destruction of the Enterprise was certainly gratuitous), I’ve always felt that The Search For Spock was the truest of the Star Trek films and think that it would be a good model for Abrams and crew to follow, especially with regards to the relationships between the main characters.

345. Christopher Roberts - April 7, 2011

I guess Future Guy on Enterprise was more concept then… along with the Temporal Cold War, which definitely was. I can’t help feeling if he had been a straight-forward villain, you know with an identity for christ’s sake! – then it would’ve been a lot more satisified.

346. Christopher Roberts - April 7, 2011

345. (correction) satisifying.

347. RAMA - April 7, 2011

“Concept” seems like a great idea, but let’s be aware a concept gone wrong can lead to the original “STTMP”, and Voyager’s Threshold. A straight villain is often the safer route, and one that seems more likely to make it to the screen.

348. RAMA - April 7, 2011

.279…Why does it seem that so few people are aware or interested with the greatest untapped storyline in Trek?? lol I think its a terrific idea. I didnt read the Fontana story, ill have to check it out, but it seems to me that fighting over an ancient city is still too small a tale! Gotta think bigger!

349. mr. NUspock - April 7, 2011

I think that in the new(ly) formed universe like NU, klingons, romulans and ufp should be united because of Nero……..Because that would be logical, since he was a threat to all of them, and if not for him, no new universe, and hopefully spock(Prime) could make a vulcan/romulan-unification because of NERO, and tie a stronge bond together with both klingons, romulans , and ufp….

Then a threat outside could emerge , and try to destroy that new unity (cardassian ??…maybe…) gorns, or tholian or a an ´éntity´´of a kind…..

350. Miko - April 7, 2011

339.. Then the we find out it was the Doomsday Machine! The alliance between klingon and human must put an end to this major threat to the whole galaxy. Leaving it open for a third film.. who sent the machine, what villain is responsible?
So trek 2009.. Nero (person)
trek 2012… doomsday machine (concept)
trek 20andwhenever… aggressor who sent the planet munching device (person)

351. Bob - April 7, 2011

I always loved “The Doomsday Machine”…

352. Christopher Roberts - April 7, 2011

oh well… that’s that sorted then! A film about the Doomsday munchin’ its way through Romulan space it is. You guys have it in for anything with pointy ears. ;)

353. NX_UESPA Class Starship - April 7, 2011

Here it is, folks! The one you are waiting for! The NXT concept for Star Trek 90210, Part Deux is:

Dudley Dastardly and Muttley from the TV Series: Stop The Pigeon, In Their Flying Machine and The Whacky Races. Don’t be too surprise if Motor-Mouse and Auto-Cat made their special appearance.

Have a great weekend, everyone. Take good care of yourselves and don’t forget to hug your family.

354. MJ - April 7, 2011

@350. Miko, as I said in an earlier post:

Notice that The Doomsday Machine fits in perfectly with what Bob says:

– It is season 2, not season 1 (notice Bob thinking about this)

– It provides both a concept villain and a person conflicted villain as well — this fits in perfectly with Bob’s comments.

@351

Well Bob, the fact that you have now specifically mentioned Doomsday Machine leads me to believe that is will NOT be the concept for the movie…or perhaps you are using reverse psychology and it is the basis for the movie. ??? :-))

355. Harry Ballz - April 7, 2011

MJ, #351 doesn’t say Orci on it, does it?

356. Damian - April 7, 2011

351–That is someone else named Bob. It is not Bob Orci (I’ve seen Bob post here before and have been confused myself).

357. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 7, 2011

“STAR TREK – In The Voyage of Trekkies” … just delirious, sometimes… LOL

:-) :-)

358. dmb1138 - April 7, 2011

348. Rama, the story in question is part of a collected edition from IDW comics called The Enterprise Experiment. They also have the same stories in a larger volume called the Star Trek Original Series omnibus. I highly recommend the story.

359. Elvis Shatner - April 7, 2011

Three words.

Genetically. Enhanced. Pakleds.

Hot damn tamale!

360. Damian - April 7, 2011

282–The set design overall was a little hard to swallow. Obviously the engine room was an issue. I actually did not have too much of a problem with the bridge or corridors (though the windows bugged me on the bridge–I would by puking my guts out if I worked on the bridge). I think they need to make sure the engine room fits the scale of the outside of the ship. Also, this is the Federation flagship. It should look advanced, futuristic and dare I say sterile. It should look pristine. Scotty would never accept anything less (maybe he will redesign it himself).

The Kelvin (again except for said engine room) was fine. I actually could see a bit of the progression between Enterprise and Star Trek (original series).

The set design of Earth, especially of Starfleet Headquarters was dramitically different from the way it was seen since The Motion Picture. The surface of Vulcan was fine, though some scenes with a blue sky were a bit inconsistent. I guess we don’t have to worry about what color Vulcan’s sky is now, though.

The shuttlecraft were ok, but what was the deal with the plastic hanging from the ceilings. It looked like the plastic you see in front of coolers at the local deli. I’ll also admit the ship being built on Earth instead of space did not make much sense for me. All Starfleet ships had been built in space before. But I wrote that off more or less due to changes in the timeline by Nero.

The story and the actors were excellent, as was the music score. For me just updating the engine room would go a long way. I’d even forgo a traditional viewscreen (though I don’t envy Sulu and Chekov when the ship is at warp).

361. greenusmarine53 - April 7, 2011

@310 – “The last I heard, NASA was civilian organisation, which is why it is so underfunded, unlike the military, of course…Ugh!”

A bit rude don’t you think. Unless I am misunderstanding your intent behind the “Ugh!”

362. captain_neill - April 7, 2011

How about something like the brains from Triskellion as the next film’s antagonist?

363. Mandrake/ekardnaM - April 7, 2011

“Mirror, Mirror” Storyline!!!

364. Keachick - April 7, 2011

#361 Rude? How? “Ugh” is a ‘word’ expressing frustration, dislike. I wrote “Ugh” to express my distaste that the military receives so much government funding whereas other organisations and agencies often struggle to operate effectively on the meagre budgets they receive.

365. MJ - April 7, 2011

@355 @356

Ah, thanks. Was not paying attention I guess. Glad though, as this means that Doomsday Machine is still very much in play, as it really fits well with the video of Bob’s interview here.

Sorry DM, but Bob’s comments pretty much rule out using the aliens from The Menagerie, since that was season 1.

366. MJ - April 7, 2011

@364. A larger point is that NASA is such a bloated bureaucracy and the Shuttle so expensive to operate, that I think we could have achieved much more in the space program by now if that money would have been made available to a private sector space program. NASA is a very flawed and disappointing agency these days.

367. Symar - April 7, 2011

I think that something new, be it villain or concept, would be good to keep the reboot fresh, but something borrowed from TOS in a sub-plot – perhaps Harry Mudd – would lend a feeling of familiar comfort to the new interpretation.

368. ensign joe - April 7, 2011

“the military receives so much government funding whereas other organisations and agencies often struggle to operate effectively on the meagre budgets they receive”

yeah and soldiers are buying armor to install on their vehicles because there is sooooooo much money to go around.. scavenging for parts because the unit’s budget has been expended.. “struggling to operate effectively”

you have no idea what you are talking about Keachick.. try living in the REAL world

—-

ok folks I’m done dealing with this guy.. will keep it on Star Trek from here on out..

369. Symar - April 7, 2011

Damian – If I recall correctly, a bridge with an “open” feeling of being able to step out in space with a large window/force-field was something imagined by Roddenberry but never implemented in any series or movie. Kudos to the new kids for bringing it to fruition.

That being said, the Engineering “brewery” scenes did not do justice to anything “Trek”.

370. Miko - April 7, 2011

Seriuosly though an updated version of the Doomsday machine.. scary., love it! Could the Xindi of sent it as a second attempt to destroy the United Federation Of Planets? Perhaps left over tech from the evil sphere builders.

371. dmduncan - April 7, 2011

365: “Sorry DM, but Bob’s comments pretty much rule out using the aliens from The Menagerie, since that was season 1.’”

Hehehe! Oh no they don’t!

372. Number 3 - April 7, 2011

LAST!…for now

I wanna see the Gorn but not the CGI version fron ENT
Trelane would be great as well

all my best…

373. Phil - April 7, 2011

Great..Doomsday Machine. Boldly going where we all ready have been..again…and again…and again…and again…

374. Phil - April 7, 2011

366. MJ – April 7, 2011
There are some interesting opinions on the struggle NASA had post Apollo, I guess there were competing factions wanting a heavy lift vehicle vs. the space shuttle. The shuttle was way over sold on being supercheap to put payload into orbit. The general concensus being that had the Saturn V successor been the winning concept the manned space program would be much further along then it is now.

375. Phil - April 7, 2011

I’m spending too much time thinking about this…cone on, people, the Doomsday machine??!! Ooooo, an indestructible machine, but it really isn’t because we know our fearless crew will prevail, so who’s the unlucky guest schlub who gets to go out in the blaze of suicidal glory to set up our beloved Enterprise to be the hero?? What a bunch of anticlimatic pile of s*** storytelling this will be!! The only way this lame plot device will be bold is if Enterprise is getting ripped to shreads in the first few minutes of the flick, leaving Pike to pick up the pieces afer said Doomsday machine has destroyed all the major homeworlds of the Federation, and the Ferengi have claimed salvage rights….

376. captain_neill - April 7, 2011

370

If we treat Enterprise as canon in both universes, if you recall we made peace with the Xindi Humanoids, Aquatics and Aboreals.

The only ones likely to pose nother threat would be the Reptilians but I’d imagine that they would have come round when they had to accept the Sphere Builders manipulated them.

Just finished Season 3 again, that was a great year.

377. Keachick - April 7, 2011

#368 I am aware that there have been cutbacks made to budgets or not maintaining by increasing budgets in line with inflation, on all the organisations/agencies that the government is responsible for maintaining and this, of course, includes the military. So yes, there will be problems in certain areas because of these factors. All I am saying is that other agencies get left with even less.

Just what makes your world more “real” than mine? There is no need to be rude. BTW, I am not a guy. I am female. I hope you won’t hold THAT against me, now.

378. dmduncan - April 7, 2011

Don’t pin your hopes (or angst) on a doomsday machine. Another movie about saving planets from total destruction? “I dun thin so, Lucy.”

379. rvp - April 7, 2011

The Doomsday idea – More planet destruction threats? Nah. They will go for something else.

380. MJ - April 7, 2011

Doomsday Machine or not, if you watch the video closely you will see Bob trying to remember if the villain was from season 1 or not, which he then concludes it is not. The way he reacts, my conclusion is that villain is a concept (not a person) and that it is from a season 2 or 3 episode.

Now, it could be that Bob’s mannerisms are deliberately designed to mislead us here…I could see him having fun with us that way.

381. rvp - April 7, 2011

@375 – “The only way this lame plot device will be bold is if Enterprise is getting ripped to shreads in the first few minutes of the flick, leaving Pike to pick up the pieces afer said Doomsday machine has destroyed all the major homeworlds of the Federation”

So basically, destruction of Vulcan to the nth degree, and then we enter bleak BSG-esque territory, with Pike as Adama.

I’ve got to say thanks, but no to that. Let’s go with LESS planet destroying, MORE dealing with the mess caused by the one they blow up in XI.

382. rvp - April 7, 2011

lol mannerisms deliberated designed to mislead us. He’s being vague as hell, whichever villain/concept he’s going for, he’s probably giving it “a reboot twist” anyway, so no one will get it quite right.

Speculating at this point in the game is so pointless it’s not even fun.

I need real info to leak/real tips.

383. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 7, 2011

#380 – MJ

“Now, it could be that Bob’s mannerisms are deliberately designed to mislead us here…I could see him having fun with us that way.”

Well in my comment number 145… I asked a question for boborci in this regard… of course he did not answer… he left us… lol… or is he just watching us, maybe … LOL

Where is boborci? …

:-) :-)

384. Phil - April 7, 2011

383. Dee – lvs moon’ surface – April 7, 2011

Hopefully out finishing a script….

385. Phil - April 7, 2011

381. rvp – April 7, 2011

I’m not in favor of recycling any known ST villian. I’d assumed that suggesting completely destroying the known ST universe in the first five minutes of the next movie would be read as a “never in a million years” thought and not taken seriously or literally. My bad :-(

386. dmduncan - April 7, 2011

380: “Now, it could be that Bob’s mannerisms are deliberately designed to mislead us here…I could see him having fun with us that way.”

lol! Well, I’ll say this. The Cage was actually not a first season episode. It was an unaired pilot.

And Bob, you know those glasses with the eyes painted on the lenses? You may want to keep a pair of those handy when answering questions on camera.

387. Keachick - April 7, 2011

#381 Yes, I agree.

Note to Bob Orci – No more imploding planets.

388. Keachick - April 7, 2011

From cinemablend.com -”With Star Trek: The Second still on schedule to be released on June 29, 2012 and the script completed, all we can do now is wait for more details to come out about the plot (and especially the villain). At the very least we can take to heart that Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof, who has joined the writing team this time around, have taken time to write the best script they can.”

The article reports that the script is completed. Anthony Pascale/Bob Orci – can you confirm this?

(I understand that scripts often need tweaking).

389. Anthony Pascale - April 7, 2011

as noted in our other article on Wondercon, some sites erroneously noted the script was complete, but none actually quoted Orci saying it was and in fact Orci specifically said it wasn’t.

The script complete rumor rose out of the Chris Pine Facebook hoax and not everyone has caught up

390. MJ - April 7, 2011

The more we hear the less we know…..

391. Harry Ballz - April 7, 2011

I’m guessing Bob Orci is in the final stages of finishing the script.

An all consuming process, believe me!

392. MC1 Doug - April 7, 2011

I just had an interesting thought.. with the destruction of Vulcan and knowing that Romulus will suffer a similar fate, it might make for a cool story regarding reunification of the remaining Vulcans with their distant Romulan brothers.

Elder Spock had already started the process in the original timeline, so he might have some expertise in initiating the process in the new timeline.

That could make for an intriguing concept film.

393. BillyBoy - April 8, 2011

I’m firmly in the “New villain concept” camp. I’d like to see another Star Trek movie where there isn’t a scene chewing “bad guy” but someTHING (yes, a “thing” as McCoy would say…it can’t be anything we could relate to on earth) really bizarre and intriguing that is a major threat to the galaxy. This has really only been done in Star Trek I and IV, and Star Trek IV was one of the best Trek films. It’s long overdue for another “thing we don’t understand” antagonist, and since the twelfth film is in the reboot universe, it gives them endless opportunities to present the crew with anything they can imagine. As others have noted, the best Trek had no “bad guy”… Amok Time, The Inner Light, Children of Time, Living Witness, Star Trek IV, etc. I’d prefer they come up with a high concept sci-fi idea, and find a way to tie it into currents events in today’s world (Japanese earthquakes, stem cell research debate, etc.) Now THAT is what Star Trek is all about, not another mindless popcorn action flick. I just hope the current team is capable of giving us something with a little more depth.

NO Khan, NO Klingons, and NO Borg should be automatic ground rules on which villains to eliminate from consideration. Ignore any Trek “fans” who want to recycle old ideas that have been beaten to death. I’d be fine with bringing back a familiar face (Gary Mitchell, Harry Mudd, Kor, etc.), if they found a way to work it into the storyline as supporting character and to provide another twist to the problems in the main story… but to have any character from the original series rehashed as the main “bad guy” in reboot Trek.. HELL NO.

Romulans were used in the last two films (though they failed to reach the potential of having Romulan villains both times), so they’re out for Trek XII. Enterprise ruined the Gorn, so no. This may be a reboot but it’s still the 23rd century, so nothing silly like Viidians from Voyager end up in the Alpha Quadrant or Kirk makes first contact with the Ferangi. TNG/DS9/VOY villains are out, aside from Cardassians since Picard claimed they had been enemies of the Federation for a long time before TNG.

If they MUST rehash an old villain, Tholians and Cardassians might work, only because we’ve only seen the Tholians as a adversary once, and we’ve never seen 23rd century Cardassians (assuming they can write good, creative material about what Cardassian culture would be like a century before Picard, and not make them just like their 24th century counterparts as Enterprise foolishly did with 22nd century Romulans). And again… supporting role ONLY. I wouldn’t want a whole movie to revolve around “Kirk vs. Emperor Vex of the Tholian Assembly”.

Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman, I hope you’re listening!

394. Admiral_Bumblebee - April 8, 2011

A Vulcan scientist is trying to find a way to “undo” the destruction of his homeworld during which he lost his whole family. He not only lost his wife and two of his children but also the ability to suppress his emotions – but which he would never admit. He justifies his work with being the only logical way for the Vulcans to survive. But his work is dangerous, the life of billions could be obliterated by his experiments with time/space manipulation. Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise must convince him to stop his work. During an argument, a fight ensues and Kirk destroys part his work and the son of the scientist is accidentally killed. He blames Kirk for this and wants revenge. He is able to create a rift in time/space and brings the corpse Prime Kirk to his universe, resurrects him, wipes his memory and sends him out to kill his younger self and to destroy the Enterprise. But the rift cannot be closed and expands, threatening to destroy both universes.
Young Kirk and crew need the help of Prime Spock. Together they manage to capture Prime Kirk and Prime Spock mindmelds with him to restore his memory. Together they manage to convince the Vulcan scientist to work with them and manage to close the rift. Right before it is completely closed, Prime Spock and Prime Kirk step through, returning home…

395. Iconz_Tanis 3081 - Dorian - April 8, 2011

If they are on a alternate timeline, then that means, XINDI, they need to restablish that, They never fully joined the federation til the 25th century.. Itself is a PARADOX if you look at it. That’s one aspect you can look at it, plus spock and nero contaminated the timeline… so anything is possible… :D

396. Horatio - April 8, 2011

How about carniverous tribbles?

397. SciFiGuy - April 8, 2011

Doomsday machine would be awesome…but they wont do it. It would be too good and make way too much money at the box office and doing a plot line that would make way too much sense. And its too close do doing something original. LOL!!! Better to recycle Khan or the Klingons…yawn…cos that’s so much easier and what Star Trek “should be”…

398. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 8, 2011

# 391 – Harry Ballz

Yes I guess, too … and I also think that the more it approach the time for producers to decide important things … definition of the film director, casting, etc … well, the pre-production… they will be quieter… because the “curiosity of the fans” will become “The Villain”… LOL… and my curiosity is relentless! … +LOL

Does Mr. Bob Orci will talk to us during the production of Sequel?

399. Phil - April 8, 2011

394. Admiral_Bumblebee – April 8, 2011
“He justifies his work with being the only logical way for the Vulcans to survive…..”

…As opposed to stepping up the frequency of reproduction? Spock seems more then happy to be getting busy with Uhura now. Anything for the cause…

400. Harry Ballz - April 8, 2011

398.

Bob will talk with us during that time, but only sparingly as he will be busier than a hooker at Charlie Sheen’s house!

401. Phil - April 8, 2011

400. Harry, those are administrative assistants. I’m sure they were tested for superior oral skills, housekeeping duties (quick! hide the coke!) and an ability to promote Mr. Sheens activities while he travels…oh, and in-home rehabilitation skills are a plus. Have a little respect for the working girls, please…

402. MJ - April 8, 2011

@400 “WINNING”

403. Phil - April 8, 2011

The private sector will be back to the moon before the US Gov’t will…

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-moon-venture-20110408,0,1715396.story

The Chinese will be there next. Just watch…

404. mj - April 8, 2011

@403 Agreed!

405. captain_neill - April 8, 2011

Can the next Star Trek movie NOT have a villain out for revenge. I think its being overdone now.

406. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 8, 2011

#400 – Harry Ballz

…. so he will be …. REALLY, TREMENDOUSLY …. busy! … LOL

:-) :-)

407. mj - April 8, 2011

@406

“WINNING”

“TIGER BLOOD”

408. mj - April 8, 2011

@405. Captain, how was your week off in Internet Rurapente?

409. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 8, 2011

OMG! … So now are wanting to take over the moon! …

410. captain_neill - April 8, 2011

408

I already answered you but you did not respond.

By the way am I the only one who thinks a villain out fr revenge has been overdone? They always try to outdo Khan when it comes to that motivation and I think the next movie needs to go in a different direction.

411. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2011

410.
…….

What did you do on your “vacation/holiday”?

And I am the only one who thinks Captain Neill’s rants about “villains out for revenge being overdone” has been overdone?

412. MJ - April 8, 2011

@410. Ah, sorry, I noticed it now. Thanks, and good to have you back!

413. captain_neill - April 9, 2011

411

thanks for your comment

the villain comment came from another comment I read that someone thought of a plot of a Vulcan wantin revenge on Kirk.

Didn’t need to be rude about, I am trying to be civil now.

The concept idea could be the way to go, I do think with revenge the writers always try to capture Khan again but it never works as well.A concept could be something really good.

412

Thanks

414. Christopher Roberts - April 9, 2011

394. I like the idea, simply because I hated seeing Vulcan destroyed too.

Not sure how any scientist could undo the damage, short of more time-travel. Nipping over the Prime Universe, skipping ahead to the 24th Century and just phasering a baby Nero out of existence.

415. Christopher Roberts - April 9, 2011

414. (edit) Nipping over TO the Prime…

Fading away like a ghost and a whole other universe along with said scientist.

416. Hakka - April 10, 2011

I voted “new villain concept”, but I could be open to a new Villain to. As much as I love the old villains (Khan, one of them), I’d prefer something new. A new Khan would never stand to the old, and so many of the old plots, so new things would be the best, I suppose.

417. Kirk - April 10, 2011

How about just finish the thing and move on.

Seriously.

After transformers and star trek now they worry about quality?

Please.

Any real star trek fan could do better.

418. S. Feng - April 13, 2011

I voted new villain concept, with the possibility of introducing klinks as reluctant allies (minimise the screen time, don’t overdo the klink lore). Unfortunately, a lot of the sci-fi concepts that Trek pioneered are cliche now–we’re in an almost post-sci-fi era (William Gibson even has commented on the problem of genre sci-fi novels and the difficulty of speculating on the future). One way to garner viewership, stir interest and discussion, and satisfy fans, would be to do what Roddenberry did, except within our present world-wide context. What’s going on right now that could be used metaphorically, conceptually, to grab people? Obvi: international (interstellar?) resource/religious-based conflicts, economic and environmental (interstellar?) disasters, over-saturation of media (critique of who controls information in an “idyllic” [federation] society?), prejudice (been done by ST6, but there has been a lot of discourse since then about gender and racial implicit attributions), call of duty vs call to action (draft?). Taking this last notion, I’ve found some of the most engaging ST stories to be about the tenuous (but necessary) relationship the UFP shares with Starfleet (See: Section 31, Sloan, ENT and Malcolm Reed). Conceptually, Orci wouldn’t need to be so obvious and cliched (e.g., X-Files), with mentions of Section 31, or even make Kirk, et. al, aware of it. Orci could point viewers, imply, into a more militaristic and self-important Starfleet. Afterall, who saved Earth (and the Federation) in the last movie? Starfleet’s flagship (and crew). Who suffered severe losses to a superior enemy force in the last movie? Starfleet (and klinks…). The first ally of Earth, the Vulcans, had their home planet destroyed. Wouldn’t that cause a stir amongst the top brass, or…a rogue, unacknowledged agency, to consider possible future threats?

This is just speculation, and probably sounds too far removed from the idealised Roddenberry model, but let’s face it: sci-fi books can take risks by being nostalgic, or by following sci-fi tropes–sci-fi films that do this (at present) tend to tank at the box-office. I for one welcome Orci to take a novel approach to conflict in the new ST film. As for the fanboy stuff? I’m content playing STO and making my own missions with all the nostalgia-inducing, overly sentimental bits that Trekkies will appreciate.

-Feng

419. Beatlephil - April 16, 2011

The Klingons have been cast as the villains of the story or at least made an appearance in five of the six Star Trek movies with the original cast. The only film they didn’t appear in was The Wrath of Khan. So a new concept is sorely needed. So how about this idea: let the Klingons be Klingons! Make them the baddest guys in the galaxy. A race so violent, so feared that even the Borg steers clear of them. And their current leader is the baddest guy since Darth Vader in the original Star Wars. And the Klingon Empire has been conquering worlds when mankind on Earth was still living in caves. The Federation is the new kid on the block, essentially intruding on the Klingons turf which keeps them in a cold war with them. Star Trek has so few true villains so it’s long past the time for us to see them in their most glorious villainy.

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