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UPDATED: Jonathan Frakes: CBS Turned Down My Star Trek TV Series + Talks ‘Sad Moments’ With Trek & more April 7, 2011

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Last week we reported on your chance to ask Star Trek: The Next Generation’s Jonathan Frakes questions online. Now Current TV has posted the answers, including the former Riker talking about his saddest Star Trek memories. We also have a preview of the Frakes-directed episode of Bar Karma airing tomorrow and the Frakes-directed TV movie Truth Be Told airing next weekend. [UPDATED: New comments from Frakes on his rejected Star Trek TV series]

 

UPDATED: Frakes – ‘CBS turned down my Trek TV show’

UGO interviewed Frakes to to promote Bar Karma, but they also got around to talking some Trek, including this very interesting nugget:

UGO: It’s been a few years since Star Trek’s been on TV. How much longer do you think until it makes the leap back to the medium it started on?

Frakes: I had a Star Trek that I developed for TV, and we were told in no uncertain terms that they said no to Bryan Singer TV Star Trek, they said no to a William Shatner TV Star Trek. They feel at CBS Paramount that they don’t want to make the same mistake that’s been made before, which was watering down the brand by having a TVshow and a movie. That’s what happened with Star Trek: Nemesis, and that’s why I think Star Trek: Enterprise didn’t last the way they expected to. It was the classic corporate greed of “we’ve got something good, so let’s continue to milk it” and we milked it so dry that the fans had no appetite for a movie. So I think what they’ve done by taking time off before the Abrams Star Trek, and they’re doing it again because they haven’t even begun to shoot the second one is a much smarter business plan. Much to my chagrin! Not that wouldn’t love the Titan, or the Rikers in space, or any of those shows on the air.

more at UGO
 

original article

Frakes talks sad moment with Star Trek

To promote this weekend’s episode of the sci-fi show Bar Karma directed by Jonathan Frakes, Current TV offered fans a chance to ask the former TNG star questions. One of the questions related to Trek:

Sean Tourangeau Carmen Asmussen (via Facebook): What is your favorite memory from your years involved with Star Trek? What was the saddest memory as well? I am the Designer of the U.S.S. Titan and was an honored to have my design chosen as the winning design.

Jonathan Frakes: Every morning, no matter what the hour, I woke up looking forward to going where no one had gone before. The company, on both sides of the camera was filled with clever, talented and funny men and women. Naturally, we mourned Gene Roddenberry’s death after season 3…by the way one of the great funerals of all time. When I was in London, I got a call about the tragic death of Jerry Fleck our 1st Assistant director on the show and both of my Star Trek movies. We also were very sad when Denise Crosby (Lt. Tasha Yar) left the show…both the characters and the actors…congrats on the TITAN Design….RIKER’s SHIP!!!!!

Read more from Frakes at www.current.com


Frakes with Denise Crosby and Marina Sirtis on Paramount Lot – says Crosby’s season one departure one of the sad moments of his time with Star Trek

I have an unusual question. The Rikers from Alaska – any chance of any or Riker being a descendant of Sarah Palin?

Frakes: Oh, no! No, I think the Rikers are from a different part of Alaska than Palin’s family.

 

The Frakes-directed episode of the Current TV sci-fi series  Bar Karma ("Three Times a Lady") airs tomorrow (Friday April 7) at 10/9c on Current TV.

Here is the preview:

Frakes-directed TV movie "Truth Be Told" airs next weekend

In other Frakes directing news, next weekend Fox will be airing Truth Be Told, which is a Walmart/Proctor & Gamble-sponsored "Family Movie Night" event. The TV movie is a romantic comedy starring Candace Cameron Bure and David James Elliott, which also features Ronny Cox (Jellico from TNG). Here is a preview.

Truth Be Told airs on FOX April 16th 8PM). His next outing will be a NASCAR-focused episode of The Glades for A&E.

Comments

1. Pro-Khan-Sel - April 7, 2011

I love reading or listening to frakes and other former cast members talk about their time on star trek. such happy and fond memories, unlike the sometimes bitterness associated with TOS.

2. ensign joe - April 7, 2011

TITAN animated series?

Who’s in charge here anyway!?!?!

3. DavidJ - April 7, 2011

1, Agreed.

As dull and badly dated as many of those TNG episodes look now, I still miss those Trek characters more than any other. They were just a lot of fun to hang out with.

4. captain_neill - April 7, 2011

3

TNG dull and dated?

TNG is still one of my fav shows I still think it holds up well and I think the show has a lot of cool episodes and Data is a fav of mine.

5. I grok Spock - April 7, 2011

3 – dull and dated?! I think not!! I have to agree with 4. There is very little about TNG that comes across as dated and NOTHING that is dull! I watched them all when they first aired and just recently finished watching them all again – over 20 years later. I was amazed how well made, thought provoking, and engaging most of those shows were, especially from season 3 on. TOS will always be my first love because I grew up on it, but TNG is the best Trek ever made.

6. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 7, 2011

Never dull, sometimes dated (only fractionally on a few occasions).

Much-loved!

Much missed.

: )P

7. Masshuu il Malacandra - April 7, 2011

The first word I use to describe Next Gen is: STERILE. It presented the future as too clean, polite, politically correct and quite honestly no place I’d want to be. I am more a DS9 kind of guy with a little Voyager thrown in.

8. a - April 7, 2011

Voyagers is for targs!

9. Sean Tourangeau - April 7, 2011

I am personally bias, I love the TNG characters and would love I mean love to see a Titan series (Animated or live action) Personal Bias with my ship being the Titan.

10. Sean Tourangeau - April 7, 2011

Oh and before I forget. Thanks Mr Frakes for answering my question.

11. Pierre - April 7, 2011

Jonathan, you screen presence on TNG is forever indelible. You are sorely missed.

12. James T. West (no comma!) - April 7, 2011

Jonathan Frakes=class act

13. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 7, 2011

Hey Sean,

Got any links to show off your Titan design?

I love what little I have seen so far.

I am a huge fan of all Star Trek art and design.

: )P

14. Jack - April 7, 2011

5. agreed.

15. Sean Tourangeau - April 7, 2011

To: Battle-scarred Sciatica and Jack

go to stourangeau.deviantart.com and in my gallery section is a sub folder marked Titan there you can see all of my U.S.S.Titan Artwork. I am also a fan of the Mirror Universe so there is also a subfolder with Artwork and ship designs dedicated to an alternate Mirror Universe where the Terran Empire never fell.

Sean

16. rvp - April 7, 2011

TNG cast is my favorite by so very far it’s not even funny.

Good luck to Mr Frakes.

17. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 7, 2011

Thanks for that Sean.

Great stuff.

I also have a big thing for cityscapes, so it was great to see a new one I haven’t seen before in your random file.

I have only just discovered DeviantArt in the last few months.

It is an awesome site.

Your Ent – F is interesting!!!!!!

18. Desstruxion - April 7, 2011

What about a Titan animated web series? I’d watch it.

19. Andrew - April 7, 2011

Wait, Jonathan Frakes, Bryan Singer and William Shatner have all developed ideas for a Star Trek television series? When the hell did this happen? I need details, people!

20. Keachick - April 7, 2011

TNG – dull and dated? Sometimes I wish it was…:) My kids put a tape on showing a TNG episode and more often that not, I get pulled in by the story and characters and end up not getting stuff done that needs doing…:(

21. Shaun - April 7, 2011

I think TNG comes off as a bit dated, and sterile, at times… That’s not the fault of the actors. More how TNG, whether it was Gene in charge or Rick Berman later on, was a show that rarely took many chances… Rarely shook up the happy little status quo of life onboard Picard’s Enterprise. Rarely did that status quo ever change.

Having said that… When TNG was really at it best (“The Measure of a Man,” “Yesterday’s Enterprise,” “The Inner Light” and “Chain of Command” are just a few examples) it was DAMNED GOOD.

But DS9 — and its cast/crew/writers — will always be tops with me. They were the Star Trek that was willing to take more chances, unafraid to deal with touchy subjects, and break away from some of the formulas the other Treks generally subscribed to. A shame we’re unlikely to ever see and kind of DS9 revival. Its ending left things wide open for a return.

22. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 7, 2011

Tng was a great series and i watch it from time to time. I hope one day they re do the FX. A Titan series would have been great. But for now we have the new movie and hopefuly one day a new series.

23. Jonboc - April 7, 2011

never cared for the way TNG presented stories…too often than not, they were boring and very unimaginative. And their obsession with having to cram in an A and B plot into 45 minutes never served them well. All in all, a universe I don’t care to revisit any time soon. I’m glad CBS turned Frakes down, a visit down TNG lane is not something I would be interested in. it’s a shame though, that CBS and paramount can’t work better together…I understand they feel it’s all about the movies now, but it doesn’t have to be.

24. MikeTen - April 7, 2011

@21, I agree with you 100%. It’s too bad Les Moonvies hated Trek so much that he ordered the Star TRek: Enterprise sets destroyed. With someone like that in charge of CBS television there is no hope of Trek returning to television until he is gone.

And before the audience fatigue excuse come up there was never a problem when there was one show on the air while movies were going on. The problem was when you could turn the TV on and see 4 or 5 different Trek shows on either in first run or repeats in syndication. I remember when I could spend almost an entire day watching different Trek series on Spike TV.

25. CanadianShane - April 7, 2011

The Next Generation still rocks!!! Just wish they hadnt filmed it in video.

26. Pendard - April 7, 2011

Anything that’s 24 years old is going to look a little dated sometimes, but TNG stands up as well as any other TV show I can think of from those days.

27. rm10019 - April 7, 2011

Great guy and I agree Next Gen era animated show ftw!

28. Cygnus-X1 - April 7, 2011

It’s so peculiar how these guys all have their notions about why Nemesis didn’t do well, like the film didn’t totally suck monkey balls.

Jon, baby…it wasn’t Enterprise that ruined Nemesis.

It was NEMESIS that ruined Nemesis.

29. Red Dead Ryan - April 7, 2011

21.
…..

Agree with everything you said. Though there were a few times where they did shake things up a bit, like with episodes like “The Wounded”, “Ensign Ro” and “Chain Of Command” which helped lay the groundwork for “Deep Space Nine”, a show that I consider to be the best of all of the Treks. “The Original Series” and “The Next Generation” are both tied in a very close second, followed by “Enterprise” and “Voyager” in fifth. “Voyager” was the most inconsistent of the series in my opinion.

I do hope CBS does remaster TNG. Redo the effects and give it some TLC (tender loving care, not the stupid channel) and the series would have new life on dvd/Blu Ray.

P.S

Also, “Conspiracy” certainly didn’t play it safe. It’s the only episode in the fourty five year history of “Star Trek” to be banned from the BBC! I wished they’d followed up on the episode, but I understand why they didn’t and we ended up getting another cool enemy, the Borg, anyway.

30. Jeyl - April 7, 2011

Yar’s departure was a bummer. The series had the potential of giving the role of a tough bada** crew member who could get the job done to a woman, but when she left her position was replaced by Worf. Ugh. It’s like the show was apologizing for putting a woman as head of security. Thank god for Deep Space Nine.

All I can say is that it’s a good thing Worf is not in the reboot movie or else he’d be the third person to take away Uhura’s job. Ever notice how none of the TNG era ships had a dedicated communications station?

31. Red Dead Ryan - April 7, 2011

30.
…..

Well, at least there was a female Chief Engineer on “Voyager” who was given the job over a male officer.

Then you had Hoshi Sato on “Enterprise” as a communications officer.

32. Kamdan - April 7, 2011

I wonder what the Singer developed Star Trek was going to be like. He was actually my first choice for a Star Trek reboot, since he was a fan of the show. Instead, they handed it to a Star Wars fan and look what happened!

33. Red Dead Ryan - April 7, 2011

Bryan Singer is an overrated director. The first ‘X-Men” was great, while the second one and “Superman Returns” both suck.

J.J Abrams is clearly far superior. His body of work proves it. Singer, on the other hand, is a one trick pony whose career is on the downside.

34. Scott Xavier - April 7, 2011

Perhaps captain riker could go hit the gym before going on tv. Frakes looked horrible in the enterprise finale. Riker is a great supporting cast member but I could never stand his arrogance as a lead….

35. Sean Cisneros - April 7, 2011

I think Abrams did a great job with the new Star Trek but I think Singer would have done well too. I wish Cbs would make a Titan series but they only care about money.

36. Boozba - April 7, 2011

The first two seasons of TNG looks dated,season 3 to 7 still kicks ass!

37. Michael - April 7, 2011

7, 21, 29, 30

Totally agreed. TNG was great, but there were some serious flaws, and I really didn’t care for season 6 or 7. DS9 is the definite trek for me, and it’s so sad to think it will probably never be followed up on. Oh well.

38. Buzz Cagney - April 7, 2011

Frakes is a good guy, I like him very much. Riker not so much.

I shall have to google that Titan design, I don’t recall seeing it!

39. MJ - April 7, 2011

Frakes: “It was the classic corporate greed of “we’ve got something good, so let’s continue to milk it” and we milked it so dry that the fans had no appetite for a movie.”

No Jonathan, it was the FACT that Voyager, Enterprise, Insurrection and Nemesis sucked that killed the tv efforts. Stop hiding behind the “its the suits fault” and instead, you and your Trek associated from the late 90’s to early 2000’s need to take a hard look in the mirror.

40. MJ - April 7, 2011

@26 “Anything that’s 24 years old is going to look a little dated sometimes, but TNG stands up as well as any other TV show I can think of from those days.”

You are joking, right? TOS bridge has held up better than the ridiculous NG bridge, and the 79/early 80’s movie Enterprise looks so much better than the cheesy fake looking fat-bay NG Enterprise.

41. Namrehs - April 7, 2011

@MJ: I find it comical how you claim to be a Star Trek fan, and yet you bash TNG, Voyager and Enterprise every chance you get. As much as I love TOS the facts are it’s campy, it’s very dated (even with the remastered effects), and the colors of the bridge are ridiculous. Please give the Trek bashing a rest.

42. MJ - April 7, 2011

@41. I like the NG and love DS9, so please don’t put words in my mouth. That being said, on TNG, the special effects, the Enterprise design and the bridge have not held up well at all over time…they look cheesy!

43. MJ - April 7, 2011

@41. And the comment I was responding too claimed that TNG has held up as well at other 80’s shows. I just can’t agree with that — MacGyver and Alien Nation, for example, hold up better than the first 2 seasons of TNG.

44. Captain Ron - April 7, 2011

I don’t think a TV show would work… but c’mon! Why not do a couple Star Trek: Titan direct to DVD movies? You have recognizable characters (Riker / Troi / Tuvok) that could be in it. The fan base is there, and it wouldn’t get in the way of the big screen movies. They should go for it while they still can.

45. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - April 8, 2011

@29. “Conspiricy” was shown here in the UK but it was cut to pieces.

It was “The High Ground” the BBC banned and didn’t show at all until 12-1am reruns around 12-13 years later.

Season 1-5 I really enjoyed. 6 had the occasional good ep while 7 was disappointing.

The show still holds up with appx 90% of the FX still looking fantastic.
(the Arsenal of Freedom Easter egg gun and the Conspiricy mother alien puppet not included)..

46. MJ - April 8, 2011

@45 “The show still holds up with appx 90% of the FX still looking fantastic.”

Wow!!! That is all I can say to this???

47. Mel - April 8, 2011

“Not that wouldn’t love the Titan, or the Rikers in space, or any of those shows on the air.”

If his idea was a Titan series, I am glad that it wasn’t made. That would have been a bad idea.

I think TNG is still a great series. I like watching episodes even today. But I agree, it is slightly dated now. For example the make up of the women is so 80s. Some outfits, too. It plays in the future, but you can still see, that it was made in the late 80s / early 90s.

48. Bearded Riker - April 8, 2011

Uhh…who cares if TNG looks dated? It was made over TWENTY years ago and was a show set in space. What sci-fi show or movie multiple decades old DOESN’T look dated? It’s like saying you can’t watch Fresh Prince, Home Improvement, or (insert older show/movie here) anymore. It’s never about the style or fashion or graphics. It’s all about the characters and the stories and that is what Star Trek has always excelled at.

49. dr_Beckett - April 8, 2011

Hmm, I see no mention of Frakes directing any more Librarian movies.. I would love to see more of those!!

50. SoonerDave - April 8, 2011

Frakes is one of the most endearing Trek personalities. He seems very grounded, decidedly not full of himself, and that is so refreshing.

As far as the relative production merits of TNG go, I always thought it was too sterile – Roddenberry’s utopian concept taken just about two steps too far. GR’s notion of the elimination of conflict between races/peoples has one important consequence – the elimination of drama! Drama is all about conflict. TOS’ incarnation of Roddenberry’s vision was more realistic, despite the fact that TNG was more contemporary in overall production values.

51. Dac - April 8, 2011

Heh, people seem to forget Trek had its previously second highest grossing film when there were 2 series on the air…

52. Kamdan - April 8, 2011

I do must admit that Singer’s X-Men films are overrated and I absolutely hated what he did for Superman Returns, but it would have been interesting to have seen him approach Star Trek in a similar manner, instead of J.J. “HYPER CHARGE EVERYTHING” Abrams’ vision of Star Trek.

53. Damian - April 8, 2011

The first 2 seasons of TNG do look a little dated. They started nailing the special effects better by season 3 and by 4 they had it down pretty good. I loved TNG when it was on the air. When it first came out I had my doubts, but I stuck with it. Season 1 sucked me in with Conspiracy.

Sorry MJ. I am with you on the new movie. By and large I loved Star Trek (2009). Where I part ways is I loved the other shows and movies too. Voyager took some time for me to get into (I actually did not watch it until the show was over). There were some great moments (Year of Hell being the highlight). It was also the one show with the most character growth from the first to last episode. I wish they had run with Brannon Braga’s idea though of having more conflict with the Maquis crew members and the crew facing more hardships (similar to the Equinox, without the criminal activity). Enterprise was hitting a stride by season 4 and I always wish we could have seen what Coto could have done with a season 5. I agree with others, DS9 took a lot more risks and was the better for it.

WIth apologies, I loved Star Trek: Nemesis too. I know it’s vogue to bash it, but I did not have a problem with it. It had great special effects, a great score, and of the 4 TNG movies, it had much more involvement of more of the cast. It had a great space battle, the Scimitar was bad ass, and the Remans creeped me out. I was also happy to finally seen the much ignored Romulans get some big movie screen time (thanks to JJ Abrams for using Romulans too). Of the 4, First Contact and Nemesis were the two movies that did not feel like it could have been and episode of the series. I liked Generations and Insurrection too, but it was much easier to see those two as 2 parters of the show.

54. Damian - April 8, 2011

I am glad the prime universe has continued in the novels. The Titan novels have been great, and I have religiously followed the relaunch novels of the other series as well. David Mack’s Destiny series was great, and it’s interesting to see the Federation have to deal with hardships and the secession of a founding member as well. They get me through while I wait for the next movie. (I wish Paramount and CBS would get their acts together and allow the release of the novels based on the new universe as well).

55. P Technobabble - April 8, 2011

IMO, TNG became a fine show over time, but it was not without faults. I think the problem was a lack of being able to find something new to say. While TOS paved the way for future Treks, it also had its own kind of simple innocence, exploring ideas in a way that had not been done before. A lot of the TNG format came from the experience of TOS — what worked, what didn’t and how could it be improved. TNG was a more sophisticated program. I think they hoped to re-capture the spirit of TOS, but TOS was certainly a product of its own unique time.
TNG had some great episodes, Trek or not. But it did have its own collection of “And The Children Shall Lead”-type episodes.
Finally, IMO, the TNG films lacked the heart of the TOS films, trying too hard to be intricate and clever. FC is considered to be the best TNG film, and I believe this is because it had the most straight-forward story. In any case, it seems apparent that the TNG films were losing their appeal. The box office doesn’t lie. And who could truly say that Trek, in general, wasn’t running out of steam?
I don’t think Trek should be brought back to tv for a considerable amount of time. In terms of weekly television, how could it not simply rehash what’s already been done?

56. VZX - April 8, 2011

Yes, an animated USS Titan series would be perfect!!!!

OK, they don’t wanta a live-actio series with the movies on, fear of franchise fatigue again. But, an animated series would be perefect!!

Look at all the DC and Marvel animated series on at the same time as those movies as well!

57. chrisfawkes.com - April 8, 2011

There was a lot of good things about Next Generation but i think this franchise fatigue thing is a lame excuse. If anyone at paramount believes that was the reason fans were not tuning in to Enterprise they are kidding themselves.

Apart from t pol there were simply no engaging characters. Similar could be said for voyager until seven of nine hit the show but even then you need an ensemble.

What had happened by the end is that a lot of the characters were based more on trekkies, non offensive geeks. The nerds had taken oer the ship. Non of that in the original show. And very few characters were really intimidating other than the borg.

Create good and engaging characters and people will not be able to get enough. Create geeks in space and they will stay away in droves.

58. AdamTrek - April 8, 2011

I really don’t think a 24th century or 25th century Star Trek show would be an overlap to the every-three-years TOS era reboot movies. I don’t see it. I agree there should never be TWO Star Trek’s on television at the same time, I totally get that. But a tv show and the occasional film that have nothing to do with one another is a whole other ball of targ spit altogether.

=A=

59. Kavinsky - April 8, 2011

Can’t say I blame them for being carefull with a new trek series but didnt they make TNG originally a short time after ST4?

Although In that sense it might mean that they need 3 more movies to be made and do well before they consider doing another TV show

60. Ivory - April 8, 2011

Shatner, Frakes and Singer want to bring ST back to tv? Isn’t this kind of major news?

I am convinced that a Shatner show that brought back Kirk or a Frakes show that brought back most of the TNG characters would be a MAJOR hit.

Later day versions of ST failed because nobody cared about those characters. People would flock to see further adventures of the TOS or TNG crews.

p.s. Not sure what Singer would be thinking about, but the man is a major talent. He would be ideal to run a new ST show.

61. Shannon Nutt - April 8, 2011

CBS actually made/is making a smart move by keeping the focus on the movies. Star Trek started to expand too much right about the time STAR TREK IV: The Voyage Home came out, and it really had burned itself out totally by the time STAR TREK: INSURRECTION was released (totally dead by the time NEMESIS got made…a movie that probably should have been re-thought, or not made at all).

That said, I think we’ll see another TV show being developed about the time a third movie comes out. The big question will be will they go with the movie timeline, or do a show set in the 25th Century? I’m hoping for the latter.

62. E Kercado - April 8, 2011

How about a mini-series during non-movie years, showing the adventures of the Titan or even a flashback with Sulu in Excelsior? A 2 or 4 week series would be an apetizer for the main course movies.

63. Captain Ransom - April 8, 2011

i think star trek enterprise was far worse than star trek nemesis.

what enterprise should have been was a series set in the same time period as kirk, just on a different ship – the exeter, the intrepid, the farragut.

going before kirk was such an awful idea full of awkward moments of trying to guess at how much technology they could have yet not be as developed as kirk’s time period. the first episode where they fired a torpedo and it just bounced off the enemy ship’s hull was so laughable i couldn’t watch any more.

at least nemesis had tom hardy and ron pearlman, the scimitar – one of the coolest ships in all of trek history, an awesome battle scene, a convincing villain…enterprise had zero character development except for captain archer and commander tucker…tpol, phlox, and lt. reed were all basically the same boring character, ensign travis and hoshi we know nothing about.

64. Troubled Tribble - April 8, 2011

I went to theaters and watched Nemesis. It sucked. It was like Road Warrior
meets TNG. The concept sucked, and it didn’t help that Spiner and his buddy wrote the script, putting Picard and Data in the front with the other cast members in supporting roles. Almost as if they were an after thought.
The hubris of Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart certainly showed through. Especially with Stewart throwing a fit and saying he would never do Trek again.
Paramount and CBS should recognize that some Trek fans just didn’t like their favorites pushed to the back.
I’m actually glad that the TNG era of Trek is over. New blood was needed and that’s what we got. JJ and crew are doing an excellent job. But I do hope Trek does come back to tv soon.

65. cjc96 - April 8, 2011

Count me in for a Titan animated series.

66. star trackie - April 8, 2011

I hope Trek comes back to the small screen very soon, but in a fresh new way. I don’t want anything related to the TNG era. It wore out its welcome with me and a lot of other people (After all, the franchise was really canceled due to lack of interest) long ago. I think that if Trek on TV is to succeed today, like JJ’s Trek, the series would need to distance itself from prior Treks and build on the new audience that the new movie has built…and even then, with the new age of everything from texting, facebook, xbox live and angry birds competing for the attention of today’s young demographic, creating a hit series is not an easy task , much less a sure thing, even if you have Star Trek in the title.

67. gingerly - April 8, 2011

@66

I’d personally like to see a Trek based in the TOS era, but on another ship.

Perhaps with a female captain, #1?? (yes, I know in TOS they said women couldn’t be captains, but bump that).

68. rebecca - April 8, 2011

You know what I would like? A Jonas Brothers Star Trek TV show set in the 25th Century set aboard the USS Explorer NCC 1909 under the command of Capt. Adam Donovan (Joe Jonas). He and his crew would explore space, strange new worlds ,seek out new lives and civilizations and boldly go where no man has gone before. The Explorer crew’s mission should last about 25 years, from 2445 to 2470. What do you Fanboys, Fangirls and diehard Trekkies think of my idea? I think it should be on either the CBS or CW after the 13th movie comes out in 2015.

69. Damian - April 8, 2011

67–I never understood that statement by Janice Lester. One would think in an era where racism no longer exists that women being captains would not be an issue (I always just assumed she was not captain material herself and was obsessed about it all).

Enterprise had Captain Erika Hernandez in command of the Columbia.

70. NX-03 - April 8, 2011

Shatner Trek is intriguing. I really want him to appear as Kirk again in some sort of live action production. Don’t get me wrong, Chris Pine’s Kirk and the whole JJ verse is brilliant, it’s just, the guy is getting on and as an honorary thing, a celebration of the man, I think someone, somewhere should give him one last final glorious shot at being Kirk.

That said, putting him in the upcoming movie for the sakes of it and having to go off on some massive plot branch just for a cameo is pretty stupid in my eyes.

If it was all down to me, money no object, I’d have a final Shatner-Kirk post Generations tv-movie containing a plot that’s resolution would allow for an easy cameo in the new film. The sort of cameo that would make sense to anyone who had seen the TV-movie but could also be brushed over by anyone who had not.

71. MJ - April 8, 2011

@53/Damien: “The first 2 seasons of TNG do look a little dated.”

THANKS FOR THE HONESTY, great to see someone has some objectivity. Kind of hard to see much objectivity here when posters have NG names like Bearded Riker…yea, like that guy is going to be objective about TNG. :-)

72. ensign joe - April 8, 2011

Hey Paramount? I’m ready to GIVE you my money for a TITAN animated series.. *oogles handfulls of cash*

73. Vultan - April 8, 2011

Any show is going to look dated after a couple of decades. TNG is showing its age, but so is every other show from that era. What’s timeless are the stories, the “morality plays” that are at the heart of Trek.

TOS is dated as anything else from the ’60s (the fact that shows today aren’t done in ultra-saturated colors and miniskirts and sets made of cardboard and foam seems to support this), but the stories—the themes explored—will always be timeless. Same goes for TNG, DS9, etc.

Believe it or not, but Abrams’ Trek will a few decades from now be laughably dated.

74. NX-03 - April 8, 2011

I always think – in terms of TOS – that the retro look feels more futuristic than anything that can be produced today. No matter how futuristic something is suspose to be, if it’s produced in 2011, it’ll be full of 2011-isms. TV shows don’t look anything like that of their 60s counterparts anymore and as a result TOS (to me) feels more alien and distance (in a good way). Perhaps those massive clunky buttons and random lights are way way beyond our tech. That’s how my head deals with it anyhow!

But, as Vultan, a good story is timeless.

75. mj - April 8, 2011

@73. “Any show is going to look dated after a couple of decades. TNG is showing its age, but so is every other show from that era. What’s timeless are the stories, the “morality plays” that are at the heart of Trek.”

I agree Vultan, but the original post I was responding to said: “TNG stands up as well as any other TV show I can think of from those days.” I simply don’t agree that the first two seasons of TNG stand up as ell as some other 80’s shows, inclding MacGuyver and Alien Nation as two shows that I have recently watched, and which definitely look better than the first two seasons of TNG.

I also had to respond to this ridiculous post here: “The show still holds up with appx 90% of the FX still looking fantastic.” How could anyone take this comment seriously???

76. mj - April 8, 2011

@74 “I always think – in terms of TOS – that the retro look feels more futuristic than anything that can be produced today.”

Agreed. The original series bridge to me looks much more realistic than the TNG bridge, which looks to me like an extended version of an 80’s era Circuit City larger screen tv/stereo demonstration room.

77. mj - April 8, 2011

An example of a 70’s show that has special effects, spacecraft and a bridge/control center that looks better today then TNG: Space 1999 (Season 1).

78. Heather - April 8, 2011

The Next Generation is undoubtedly the best series of Star Trek. I can watch it over and over again. It never gets old, I always find something new which I did not catch when watching before. The stories are great, the cast is flawless, simply breathtaking. Deep Space Nine was a bit disapointing after this masterpiece.

79. mj - April 8, 2011

“flawless”, “breathtaking.”

Wow!!!

80. Vultan - April 8, 2011

#75

Of course, the first two seasons of TNG don’t hold up very well, but there were FIVE seasons after that which do. Ironically, TNG was at its worse (mainly in the first half of season one) when it was trying to be like TOS, with the characters running around yelling their lines, dramatic pauses and musical strikes, cheesy alien planets, etc. They even went so far as to remake one of the original episodes (The Naked Time/The Naked Now), and the results were pathetic.

I’m glad the later Treks each tried a slightly different take on Roddenberry’s vision… even if they did fall flat on their faces from time to time.

No more remakes, please. Give me a new ship… {Shatner pause} …and a TV show to steer her by. ;D

81. Amber - April 8, 2011

I always be hating “CBS Paramount” I wish Star Trek can move new own product. like Star Wars.

82. devonp - April 8, 2011

I agree, while all the Trek series have their merits DS9 is my personal favorite in terms of character development and continuing story arc, overall just a much richer tapestry to enjoy. Star Trek: Voyager has my favorite captain, Captain Janeway. Star Trek: Enterprise has my favorite year long arc with the Xindi War storyline. Star Trek:The Next Generation has some of my favorite Trek characters. However, I find myself always coming full circle to The Original Star Trek, this family of characters just had something Magical about them that can’t be duplicated. And without them no other Trek series would exist so I give credit where credit is due.
Basically, I am a diehard fan & appreciate all things Trek, and can accept that each series has its good and bad points, and can enjoy them in spite of that. I am so starved for great Sci-Fi on TV right now that I do hope that it isn’t too much longer before we see Trek’s rebirth on the small screen soon, 2 – 3 more years at most. Am very disappointed in the J.J. Abrams/Roberto Orci/Alex Kurtzman NuTrek film delay, i really believe that they missed the boat on this one… just when people, fans and nonfans alike became reinterested and reinvested in Trek on a Blockbuster level, they failed to capitalize on the newfound momentum, and I believe the big delay between movies will result in a mediocre box office draw unless they can really sell the next one to the general public. Fingers crossed!!!!

83. Jack - April 8, 2011

I don’t see another series happening while the movie series is going — not just because of diluting the brand, although that’s a legitimate concern, but because it could really limit what you could do in a movie, plotwise — even when it’s set in the future or the past.

I like that Frakes generally gets the problems with later Trek. I’m still surprised that he says he still doesn’t understand why Nemesis wasn’t embraced (but we had an Oscar-winning screenwriter and a director who’d done action movies).

84. Jack - April 8, 2011

84. Is it really that big a delay? It’s not like Harry Potter where they already had the next couple of stories mapped out, and a cast that was pretty available.

85. Basement Blogger - April 8, 2011

Okay there’s the proof that CBS won’t do anything with Star Trek other than sell DVDs, Jonathan Frakes says,

“I had a Star Trek that I developed for TV, and we were told in no uncertain terms that they said no to Bryan Singer TV Star Trek, they said no to a William Shatner TV Star Trek.”

Look I think that Star Trek can survive with a limited TV run like Futurama. Twelve episodes on TNT or AMC. If it doesn’t do well then no big loss. I don’t think the franchise fatique exists to the point where a TV series and movie cannot exist. Plus , Star Trek belongs on TV where stories can be told in depth. You will never have a big movie version of say, “The Inner Light.” But it can exist on TV.

86. Vultan - April 8, 2011

#85

AGREED!

87. Captain Ron - April 8, 2011

I still think that THE NEXT GENERATION should be brought back. It won’t happen in theatres though because of the Nu-Trek. But I would love to see a direct-to-DVD trilogy made. Just film them all at once and release them as 2 hour movies. Have them premier on Sci-Fi or CBS. A trilogy of films would be great (TOS had their trilogy with 2, 3, and 4!) Pluse TNG DVD movies could be repackaged and sold with the other TNG films. It really should be a no brainer with today’s FX.

88. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2011

Apart from TOS, which continues to go in the form of the J.J Abrams movies, the only other series that could be brought back in some form is “Enterprise”. Simply because there was still lots of stories to be told from that era, like the Romulan War, Mirror Universe, and even the Klingons dealing with their change in appearance.

“The Next Generation” had a nice run, “Deep Space Nine” had a beginning, middle and an end and as such, not much more can be done with it in my opinion. “Voyager” was resolved. As such, I’m not really interested in anymore late twenty-fourth century live action Trek right now, though a series set aboard the Stargazer with a young Lt. Picard would rock. That would make a great series. Showing how he got to be captain, depicting the battles with Cardassians, and possibly expanding on his interests in archaelogy.

89. Magic_Al - April 8, 2011

TNG, unless your favorite Trek to that point had been “The Cage” and TMP, was shockingly different from either the original series or the films to that point. Roddenberry took huge risks that perhaps only the creator of the original would dare. The success of that risk, and the necessity to differentiate from a simultaneous TV series as well as the film series, enabled Berman and Piller to take an equal or greater creative risk with DS9.

Voyager and Enterprise ultimately took smaller risks. Voyager was potentially a different kind of show, whose premise easily could have developed into a more intense, serious drama like Moore’s BSG. But with TNG off the air, prematurely I think it can be said now, the pressure on Voyager was to not be different but to be the same, to carry on, to follow the format. Enterprise also was trying to get back to something (TOS) rather than challenge a wider audience to try something unfamiliar as TNG and DS9 did.

By the time of Insurrection and Nemesis, there was much less differentiation between the films and the TV series. CBS is right to think they should not recreate that situation. They are not right to think a TV series and film series cannot coexist. But only a series that takes a big and worthwhile risk is worth doing. It needs to be as different from what we’ve seen before as TNG and DS9 were. Is CBS ready to do that? Apparently not.

90. Basement Blogger - April 9, 2011

@ 88 RDR

That’s a great idea on Lt. Picard and his adventures aboard the Stargazer. But CBS won’t do anything with the televsion side. Sigh.

91. denny cranium - April 9, 2011

I liked Nemesis.
I remember them hype from the cast of Nemesis was HUGE. Wil Wheaton being one who just gushed about it.
The opening scene of Nemesis was unforgettable and it really drew you in. I would have gave Shinzon some hair- he just looked a little too much like Dr. Evil. But I’m nitpicking now.
Nemesis tanked because Trek was on TV in re runs and with Enterprise.
I also think it was vogue at the time to bash Trek in the media. That certainly didn’t help things.
All of the Trek series had their great moments. They also had their episodes that went “clunk.”
All of the Enterprise bashing surprises me though. I’ve been re watching the eps and for the most part they were well done. Bakula was an excellent Captain. Trinneer was the soul of the show with Trip- (I named my dog after him). TPol was a little too hard assed for me or maybe the actress playing her just didn’t pull it off. By the 3rd and 4th season they had hit their stride. (I recall TNG took about that long as well to get cooking).
To me Trek should ALWAYS be a TV show. However its show business now. There haven’t been any Batman or Xmen TV series either.
I wouldn’t water down my brand either.

92. John Cocktoastin - April 9, 2011

I think I speak for probably many Trek fans when I say that a series with Riker on the Titan sounds a lot more preferable to occasional movies with a rebooted cast that nobody really cares that much for.

93. Christopher Roberts - April 9, 2011

28. …and it was Nemesis, that soured the studio’s attitude to ENTERPRISE. *sigh*

94. Christopher Roberts - April 9, 2011

91. denny cranium – “All of the Enterprise bashing surprises me though. I’ve been re watching the eps and for the most part they were well done. Bakula was an excellent Captain. Trinneer was the soul of the show with Trip- (I named my dog after him). TPol was a little too hard assed for me or maybe the actress playing her just didn’t pull it off. By the 3rd and 4th season they had hit their stride. (I recall TNG took about that long as well to get cooking).”

AMEN TO THAT! The only Star Trek that didn’t get any proper measure of closure was ENTERPRISE.

1. TOS films ending with the brilliant, Undiscovered Country.
2. TNG “All Good Things”, countless returns from Riker and/or Troi, Barclay, Worf, Brent Spiner in another guise, even Geordi on DS9, VOY even freakin’ ENT for crying out loud! PLUS Four, count ‘em! FOUR films. Nemesis didn’t meet with the approval they wanted and that’s SAD, but it’s very definitely an ending isn’t it?
3. DS9 most of Season Seven wrapped up each and every one of those characters, and while Sisko’s fate with the Prophets was designed to be open ended… it’s very definitely an ending isn’t it?
4. VOY a show about a journey to get home. They got home. End of.

Which just leaves ENT which promised the Birth of the Federation and all that stuff. While hinting at it during the odd episodes in the first few seasons, they get close to adequately detailing this important part of Star Trek history and are basically CUT DOWN DEAD.

So yeah…

STAR TREK ENTERPRISE THE ROMULAN WAR Mini-series, Direct-to-DVD -slash- Blu ray -slash- Download / Watch Online -slash- whatever…

nothing else for me thanks.

95. Christopher Roberts - April 9, 2011

Make the first ENTERPRISE spin-off to buy, that unmade Season 4 script which would’ve seen William Shatner appear on the show.

Kill two birds with one stone.

Fans really want to see the SHAT on Star Trek one more time, make ‘em buy an ENT DVD or Blu ray in order to see that!

96. NX-03 - April 9, 2011

Totally agree on Enterprise. Everything else had proper definitive endings. From what I’ve read about the unmade season 5 and everything else they had planned, it all sounded brilliant. I still get sad about it’s cancellation. Also as a massive WHO fan, there was a very real chance of a crossover if the show had continued on. The 9th doctor and Captain Archer (My favourite doc and favourite captain) in the same show…and it was so close to being a reality!!

97. SPOCKS PANTS - April 9, 2011

Not “dull and badly dated ” but a fine example of pre 9/11 optimism especially if you compare it to the post 9/11 dark and foreboding Battle Star Galactica.

Both shows were great in their own ways .

98. Daniel - April 9, 2011

This would be an AMAZING Trek show. Star Trek: Titan! Riker as the Captain obviously and Wil Wheaton as Commander Crusher! Perfect! C’mon it would be perfect on CBS. Home of Shatners current show and Wheatons frequent guest starring roles on Big Bang Theory!

Plotline for Pilot Episode: Takes place in PRIME timeline! And can be a little after Ambassador Spock mysteriously Disapears and be about how Romulus is no more from the blown up star and how Starfleet is dealing with the great loss of life and can be about refugee Romulans who were not at Romulus at the time and are roaming around from Planet to Planet trying to find a new home. Doing it with force of course. And who is the ship that must investigate and intercept them. The USS TITAN!

Someone hire me to pitch this to the proper people! I am a video editor and am in the industry!

99. frankjad - April 9, 2011

This re-imagined “Trek” makes a decent sci-fi movie but is an insult to dedicated fans. It’s NOT Star Trek. Hell, it’s an insult to the original.
A TV show in the NextGen timeline would keep us REAL fans entertained while CBS can recycle that iBridge crap to Joe and Jane Average.
Give us a NextGen TVshow.
Also quit disrupting the novel schedule at Simon & Shusters – real Trekkers read the novels: we’re not interested in the Abrams’ crap.

100. MJ - April 9, 2011

@99. LOL Yea, whatever dude.

101. devonp - April 9, 2011

I miss Enterprise too! I found the 1st and 2nd seasons slow moving, but I thought they hit a home run with seasons 3 and 4, and that the potential for seasons 5-7 would have probably surpassed all other Trek series if it had not been cancelled prematurely. Too bad, I think Trek may have come full circle with the completion of Star Trek:Enterprise. Our only hope now is the NuTrek of Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman… I hope they don’t fail us!

102. captain_neill - April 10, 2011

39

I think the Corporate suits wanting more and milking it for waht it can is what led to Voyager and Enterprise.

Enterprise was an attempt for something different but I guess a lot of fans were lost by then, Shame, Enterprise was a great show.

The suits and later spin offs are hand in hand with each other. If you know what I mean.

103. Damian - April 10, 2011

71–It will be interesting to see if CBS springs for updating the special effects of the first 2 or 3 seasons of TNG (a la remastered original series). By season 4, the special effects were much improved. But there is no doubt the first 2 to 3 seasons had some poor special effects (I still cringe when I see the starfield movie behind the planets). I guess as the series became more popular, Paramount was more willing to invest more money for better effects.

104. MJ - April 10, 2011

@103. I believe (someone correct me if I am wrong?) that the entire NG series was shot in standard resolution video, i.e. 3×2 picture with only 469 lines of resolution. So it is ironic that we will never be able to get a remastered NG with Blu-Ray 1080P quality, as we did with TOS (which was shot on film, and thus could be transferred to 1080P quality). I guess they could do new special effects at 1080P, but the non-effects scenes will always look fuzzy on HDTV’s due to the 460 lines or resolution limitation.

No doubt the studios will release it anyway on Blu-Ray at some point, with the blurry scenes poorly unconverted, just to rip off us fans for more $$$.

105. MJ - April 10, 2011

@104. Meant to say TNG was shot on standard TV 4×3 aspect ratio at 460 lines of resolution.

106. Damian - April 11, 2011

104–I think you are right about the resolution. By DVD player has progressive scanning, which helps improve the DVD quality. When I watch TNG on DVD, it is noticeably poorer in visual quality then either the original series or Enterprise, which was shot in HD. They can probably update the effects, but there would only be marginal improvement in the other scenes. Ironically, if they wanted to update the special effects, they probably would be better off to use the same resolution as the original scenes shot, if only to maintain consistency and not highlight the poorer quality action scenes.

In essence, is it really worth going to the trouble of updating the special effects scenes for the first 2 to 3 seasons? How much will it cost and how much does Paramount (who still owns the rights to the DVD’s) recoup from the investment?

107. Gorn Captain - April 11, 2011

TNG and everything except the last season of ENT, (shot on HD video) was shot on film. TNG through Voyager were edited and FX completed on standard definition broadcast video. Nearly all television series of the time were done this way to cut costs. Few if anyone foresaw Hi Def television on the horizon.

ENT was done with HD in mind from the get go. Remastering the other series in HD is something the accountants at CBS haven’t made their mind up on yet. One would have to go back and scan all the original film footage and rebuild the FX shots from scratch. Making a new tv movie or miniseries might actually be cheaper!

108. DJT - April 11, 2011

You know, I watch TNG on tv as often as I can, and as such, find myself hoping that they would remaster the damn thing already so that I could enjoy it even more on my sparkly HDTV. Widescreen with all new effects. For a lot of episodes had much better stories than the last TNG movie. Plus, if they re-did DS9, I would be totally psyched.

109. Phil - April 12, 2011

7. Masshuu il Malacandra – April 7, 2011

Don’t quite agree. Yeah, the storytelling was fairly pedestrian, but once the characters began to develop (season 3-4) and they quit trying to be TOS it made for good, and sometimes great television. I still think DS9 is my favorite, though. The Federation in general seems a fairly bland place to live.

110. Vultan - April 12, 2011

#109

Agreed. The Feds seem pretty bland in any of Trek’s incarnations. I think if I pulled a Buck Rogers and woke up in THAT future, I would get bored with the Federation after a couple of weeks and would want to hang out with the Klingons or Ferengi. They really know how to party. :D

111. Cervantes - April 13, 2011

If there is ever to be yet another ‘STAR TREK’-related tv show one day…then I sure as hell hope it will be a revamp of the TOS era crew and surroundings, and not some ‘Next Gen’ timeline.

The original designs and sounds alone would be the best place to start again. Just like the movie franchise did.

112. Trojan - May 10, 2011

What about first run syndicated Star Trek Titan TV-Movie Mini series that is animated or live action?

CBS Studios could make sure it is made in first run syndication.

113. Trojan - July 14, 2011

There is always Internet TV

It might make more sense for an Titan Animation 2D cartoon

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