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JJ Abrams ‘Star Trek’ Released 2 Years Ago Today + POLL: Rank Star Trek 2009 May 8, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Poll,Review,Star Trek (2009 film),Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Two years ago today, On May 8, 2009, JJ Abrams’ Star Trek was released, spawning a new era for the franchise Gene Roddenberry created four decades earlier. Today TrekMovie takes a look back, and a look forward. We also have a new poll for you to rank the Star Trek movie vs the other ten Trek features.


2 years since the "the future began" with Star Trek 2009

Today Star Trek is spoken of in the same context as other tent pole film franchises like Batman, Mission Impossible, and others. This new normal is a big change from the state of things following the box office disappointment of Star Trek: Nemesis in 2002 and the cancellation of Star Trek: Enterprise in 2005. Exactly two years ago this weekend the Star Trek movie opened with over $75 million in domestic box office, 50% more than Nemesis made in its entire theatrical run. And compare Star Trek to this weekend’s big hit Thor,which opened with an estimated $66 million domestically, and the Abrams Trek film is even more impressive.

Once again (and possibly more than ever) Star Trek was appealing to a broad base. By all accounts Star Trek scored well with critics, Trek fans and even beyond the traditional young male demographic of sci-fi/action movies. 

Award-winning trailer for "Star Trek"

Of course not all fans agree (would it be Star Trek if they did?). Much is different about JJ Abrams Star Trek, and not just due to the new universe created by Nero and Spock’s time-travel trip through a black hole. Star Trek upped the action quotient and added big doses of humor and sex appeal. Then again, weren’t all of these elements of the original Star Trek series from the 1960s? JJ Abrams and his team of writers and producers Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, Damon Lindelof and Bryan Burk did what many thought was impossible: to succeed with a property that even some Paramount executives said was suffering from "franchise fatigue."

That is not to say that Star Trek is a perfect film. With its goal of being a new origin story, the Romulan threat plot was a bit thin and we had to suspend a lot of disbelief with the series of chance encounters and promotions to get us to that final scene of the new crew ready for their mission on the USS Enterprise. The film also made some compromises in order to appeal to a wider audience, such as simplifying Star Trek’s traditional Stardate system. And even though it had the biggest franchise budget since Star Trek: The Motion Picture (in adjusted $), they still saved money by barely redressing a Budweiser plant to stand in for the engineering section of the (very) shiny new USS Enterprise.

However, most fans agree that all of this was outweighed by everything that worked with Star Trek. Almost all the cries of "you cannot recast Kirk, Spock, etc." were silenced once fans saw Star Trek’s excellent new cast take on these iconic roles, with Karl Urban’s McCoy being especially highly praised. The fast pace of the film, combined with Abrams directing style, created a "thrill-ride" aspect never seen before with Star Trek. That is not to say there weren’t still moments for character development and arcs, especially with Chris Pine’s Kirk. And while the film was geared for that general audience, the Trek fans on the creative team (especially Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof) ensured that there were plenty of fan highlights, from a brief tribble sighting to the inclusion of Leonard Nimoy’s Spock in a pivotal role. And there can be no doubt that Star Trek was a technical achievement, with the bigger budget brining amazing effects, makeup, costumes and more.

The final scene of "Star Trek" sets things up for the sequel

Now that all of that is out of the way, the real challenge for Star Trek’s new "Supreme Court" is what comes next. Co-writer/producer Alex Kurtzman has noted that second films are often the ones that go deeper (and are often better), citing Empire Strikes Back as a prime example. And JJ Abrams and other "court" members have talked about the Star Trek sequel having a bigger scope, including more character development and possibly delving into an allegorical plot (not unlike many original Star Trek series episodes). And of course they need to figure out what to call it, as Star Trek II is already taken.

For now Trek fans are waiting patiently to find out more about this next Star Trek film, which is currently scheduled for a June 29, 2012 release. The writing team of Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof began writing the script last October, however there is still not an approved official first draft and producer JJ Abrams has yet to announce if he will direct the film. Filming is supposedly starting in September, which would create a bit of a compressed schedule compared to the 2009 movie (and most other tentpole films). However, it would actually be a longer schedule than Abrams’ Super 8, due in theaters June 10th. JJ recently promised as soon as that film drops, he will be ready to swing his lens-flare focus onto Trek.

We here at TrekMovie (along with fans across the world) can’t wait to find out what is next for the new crew of the USS Enterprise.

"Star Trek" is just the beginning

POLL: Ranking "Star Trek"

With two years of reflection, how do you rank the Star Trek movie with the other 10 Trek feature films?

Rank "Star Trek" (2009)

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1. Trek Nerd Central - May 8, 2011

Happy Mother’s Day to the mother of all reboots.

2. Devon - May 8, 2011

^^Post of the day

3. Dac - May 8, 2011

It was a great movie, easily one of the best. But although I feel it may technically be a superior flick, It’s never going to beat Wrath of Khan thanks to the nostalgia factor.

Very very close second though.

4. AP - May 8, 2011

Wasn’t the next film green-lit before this one was even released (or shortly after)? And now two years later the first draft of the script isn’t even done.

Star Trek deserves better than writers and producers who get around to it when they have some time between other stuff.

5. TCUButter - May 8, 2011

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can touch TWOK. This movie was good, but I still love the adventures of the original cast. The movie adventures, outside of V at least.

As far as TNG goes, many of the episodes touched me deeper than any of the movies (see INNER LIGHT or Best of Both Worlds).

6. Roy - May 8, 2011

And in 13 months we will have another STAR TREK film in theaters(despite what all the naysayers / fear-mongers claim they know)!

7. Devon - May 8, 2011

#4 – It was not greenlit. What was there to green light?

8. Chain of Command - May 8, 2011

Wrath of Khan is still the best one. ST09 was good, but TWOK is still in a class by itself.

9. Jonboc - May 8, 2011

It’s a better “movie” than most of the original Trek movies, but it’s not a better “Trek” movie just by the fact that the others star the original cast. But by golly, it’s closer in spirit to TOS trek than all the TNG movies and tv series combined, so you’ll get no complaints from me, keep em coming…just a little less time between films would be appreciated.

10. Bearded Riker - May 8, 2011

My top five: 1) TWoK. 2) TMP 3) FC 4) XI 5) TDC

11. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - May 8, 2011

Trek 09 was 2nd. Trek 2 the wrath of Khn is first. Can’t wait to see what Trek 2012 does. Will be Grand!!!!!

12. AP - May 8, 2011

#7–If “green light” isn’t the correct term, I’m sorry. But I just went back and checked, and I was essentially correct. Before the movie was even released, the studio contracted the producers and writers to start working on the sequel, with the goal of a Summer 2011 release.

And now, two years later, there isn’t even a first draft. As I said before, Star Trek deserves better.

13. Trek Nerd Central - May 8, 2011

#2, Devon. Thanks!

#8, Chain of Command. I agree.

#4, AP. Relax, man. Everyone’s gotta make a living. Think of them all as building contractors juggling several jobs at once.

As much as I enjoy ST09 and eagerly await the sequel, “The Wrath of Khan” is still my all-time favorite. And I must say, I love “The Undiscovered Country,” too . .

14. AP - May 8, 2011

#13, if building contractors want to juggle several jobs, that’s totally cool. But if my contractor is a year behind schedule getting my house built, that’s a big deal.

Star Trek shouldn’t be a ball to be juggled somewhere between Transformers 5: Stuff Blows Up and Transformers 6: More Stuff Blows Up.

15. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - May 8, 2011

Star Trek 09 was a great Movie. It had great action and good drama. But there were a few holes. Like Enterprise not being what it should have been and of course Engineering being a Joke!!. For the most part Trek 09 was a solid Movie. Also it was a solid Trek Movie. Just need to fine tune the Big E and get a REAL!!!! Engineering Room.

16. Kara - May 8, 2011

Are we going to be doing this sentimental stuff every May 8th?

17. Trek Nerd Central - May 8, 2011

#16. Yes, in fact, Hallmark is designing a line of cards.

18. Trekkie07 - May 8, 2011

I´m still complaining about the alternate-timeline thingy…
I mean: Seriously, we didn´t see much new in Star Trek09. It was just the same old bad-guy-with-superweapon-has-to-be-stopped-thing like in all the TNG-Movies before… just with better special effects and more action. You could have easily told that story in the old universe… I think nobody (apart from VERY few hardcore-nerds) would have complained aubout the new look of the Enterprise, but it wouldn´t have ripped apart our old universe.

A few weeks ago, I watched Star Trek II with my girlfriend. We had seen ST09 before. She liked both of them, but was TOTALLY confused, because in the Old one, Spock dies (but his Planet was still there), and in the new one, Vulcan gets destroyed, but old Spock lives again.
I felt like a really big nerd when I tried to explain her the alternate-timeline-thingy (and seriously, it didn´t made much sense to me in the first place either).

So now, with the new Film, the writers have to proof that they have the abillity to tell totally new storys which wouldn´t have fitted in the old continuity, but still are basic Trek. Otherwise the point of an alternate timeline would be totally useless. And sorry, Boborci is a good Action-writer, but I don´t think our new Trek-Administration is THAT skilled, otherwise Star Trek09 would have been much better.

I bet my horse that the new Film will be exctly a good Action-Movie with many character-scenes, like ST09 before. But as I said before, that wouldn´t be enough to justify the destruction of the old continuity.

And then there is my biggest complaint about Star Trek 09, to have a genocide in it, but focus on smaller things like the death of Spocks mother (why not just kill her? It would be exactly as powerful, but I don´t want to see genocide in a light-harted action-adventure-film!!! It´s like showing the concentration-camps in a Indiana Jones movie or the complete devastation of the USA in an James Bond – Movie)

19. Chelsea - May 8, 2011

#17 Haha!

Happy 2 year anniversary to me and Star Trek! I hadn’t even seen the trailer for this movie, I just went because a bunch of friends invited me. I -hated- scifi, and didn’t know -anything- about Star Trek. But I ended up seeing it 6 times in the theatre, and I’ve watched TOS, TNG, VOY and most of DS9. XD SciFi is now my favorite genre. :P

20. Alex G - May 8, 2011

Star Trek XI is one of the best Star Trek films. But, Wrath of Khan is still the #1 best Trek film, followed by Star Trek XI.

21. Karen - May 8, 2011

I put it at 3, but only because TWOK and TSFS had to come first.

22. Roaming_Mutt - May 8, 2011

I put FC and WoK ahead of XI. But I do have to say that the reboot ranks number 1 in movie trailers. Still enjoy watching it.

23. Jeyl - May 8, 2011

I’m giving this film the #9 spot for it’s obvious delusions and treating one of the most iconic ships in science fiction like a throw away piece. But even with that, I probably would have given this film the 5th or 6th place.

However, what gives it the #9 spot is the film’s complete lack of effort in trying to make Uhura, the ONLY FEMALE CHARACTER OF THE CREW an integral character. Uhura is the perfect definition of tvtropes’ “Faux Action Girl”.

tvtropes.org: “A supposedly modern heroine who doesn’t live up to her reputation. An Action Girl whose “action” aspect is more of an Informed Attribute than anything else. She’s established from the very beginning as a powerful, capable hero but never does anything heroic. She has a well-grounded reputation as a strong fighter in her field, but always fails in the line of battle. Her talents and skills are well known to fellow characters, but they’re never seen by the viewers, outside of perhaps a Day In The Lime Light episode.”

Quite fitting since she needed Kirk to tell her that the Klingon transmission she discovered (Off screen) was actually important.

“But Jeyl” you say, “what about her ability to speak and understand the Romulan language in three dialects? Pike saw that as impressive and even replaced the communications officer he already had with her.” Well I would ask, did you see how that all paid off?

1. There are no Romulan Transmissions to listen to.
2. The Romulans speak english anyways with no programed translator input.

“But there being no transmissions at all helped Pike to understand that things aren’t what they seem!” To that I would also add:

1. The communications officer who didn’t understand Romulan could have told Pike.
2. The other communications officer Hannity already reported that the rest of the fleet had arrived at Vulcan, but they have now lost contact.

Seriously, you could cut out Uhura’s “Sir, I’m not picking up any Romulan transmissions, or any other transmissions.” and everything would still be crystal clear to everyone. Let’s try and find out.

Pike: Hannity, hail the USS Truman.
Hannity: All the other ships are out of warp sir and have arrived at Vulcan, but we seem to have lost all contact.
Kirk: That’s because they’re being attacked.
Pike: Shields up. Red alert.

All of this and more (leaving her station three times during a crises, ditching Spock so she can stay on the Enterprise) and still we were told that Uhura was going to be a very important and crucial character to the film. How is she crucial if Chekov is Kirk’s go to officer when he needs to hail somebody? As long as Bob and Alex are writing, I don’t see the new Uhura being good at anything. The High Court that consists of JJ, Bob, Alex, Damian and others are just too delusional to understand what they are doing. Just listen to the commentary track. They can’t get over how JJ’s idea of having the Romulans speaking English all the time was such a brilliant idea. So brilliant that it was worth having Uhura’s only reason for being on the bridge be rendered completely useless to the story.

24. trekker 5 - May 8, 2011

#6,there you go! And now,i put my two cents in,i saw Trek09 on opening day,the second showing of the day,i remeber the long line,and that it was sold out for the second time that day,i remeber the guy who had to go to the bathroom in the smack middle of the flim,and everybody cheering when Nimoy turned around,it was an awesome day!

25. Disgruntled - May 8, 2011

The Genesis Trilogy and Undiscovered Country come before the new one.

TWOK will always be #1 because my mom went to see it while she was very pregnant with me. (I was due on the 14th of June, so just think about having to fit in one of those old theater seats in that condition! She knew she wouldn’t be able to see it after I came along, so she made sure she saw it as soon as she could after it came out!)

26. Trek Lady - May 8, 2011

I have my problems with this film, but over all I enjoyed it… quite a lot, which is more than I can say about most of the “remakes” of my old loves which Hollywood has desecrated. So all in all, I am grateful and pleased.

27. Damian - May 8, 2011

First, for the record, I loved all 11 films (yes, even Star Trek V and Insurrection). There were some, obviously, that I liked more than others, but I certainly would not say I hated any. For me, Star Trek: The Motion Picture will always be my favorite. The special effects (for 1979) were some of the best, the score, the pure exploration theme combined with threat of annihilation, the clean, bright sets. A close second would be The Wrath of Khan. What’s not to like with TWOK. I would say The Search for Spock, The Voyage Home, The Undiscovered Country, and First Contact would be pretty equally tied for 3rd place. They were all great movies for all very different reasons. I would probably put Star Trek (2009) and Nemesis at 4th (sorry guys, I loved Nemesis and never really understood the hate). Then I would probably finish out with Insurrection, Generations and The Final Frontier.

Now, just because Star Trek (2009) came in at 4th by no means should be taken as any sort of dislike. I had a good time and it had a great story. It probably could have upped the ante for me had they improved the sets a bit (engineering and Star Fleet Headquarters) and notched down the lens flares a bit (when I come out of the movie with a massive headache, that’s going to cost a point or two–sorry). But I’ve watched it a couple times since and still loved the story.

28. Green-Blooded-Bastard - May 8, 2011

I ranked it #2. I only like Khan more. It has nothing to do with TOS over any other series being better/worse/whatever, it just held my attention, was action packed, had a great story, and the actors (except Yelchin) were perfect for their parts.

29. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 8, 2011

I loved Star Trek… since the first time I watched the movie … but the best thing for me was the return of the franchise! …. it worked … and the new cast, definitely … AWESOME!!!

:-) :-)

30. Harry Seldom - May 8, 2011

TWOK and FC beat 2009 in my book, I gave it third place, after going back and forth on TVH.

31. dmduncan - May 8, 2011

That trailer still give me goosebumps. I hope the sequel strives for some of that feeling.

32. Thorny - May 8, 2011

Voted for it as 4th best, following Wrath of Khan, First Contact, and Voyage Home. Although it is very close to Voyage Home in my opinion and those two could go either way.

33. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 8, 2011

I voted third … my list:

#1 – Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
#2 – Star Trek: The Motion Picture (I saw in DVD recently still very good)
#3 – Star Trek

I hope Star Trek 2012 will be better … It seems that Mr. Bob Orci still watching us, although he doesn’t talk about the script a while … OK!

:-) :-)

34. Pierre - May 8, 2011

Anthony: This is an excellent synopsis. Great work.

35. cdp - May 8, 2011

Its hard for me to rank the movies as they where all good in there own right but for me Star Trek 09 was probably the second best of star trek movies because the sheer scope and production value and for the fact it put Star Trek back on the map. What I want to know is who in the world would rank it the worst of the Star Trek movies? It may not be the best of the movies but in my opinion it is fare from the worst.

36. Gabriel Bell - May 8, 2011

Hey, everybody! Jeyl didn’t like ST09! (Just in case you missed it in his previous 2,000 posts saying the exact same thing.)

Bearded Riker – Love your list. Excellent.

37. Amin Shelton - May 8, 2011

Definately one of the top 5, but Voyafe Home and First Contact are top for me over all.

38. Amin Shelton - May 8, 2011


39. ncc50446 - May 8, 2011

Order of awesomeness (IMHO):
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (IV and II are pretty much tied)
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek: First Contact
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Stat Trek I: The Motion Picture
Star Trek (2009)
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek: Generations

There are just too many holes in 2009…If the story had been a little more thought out, it would have improved. There are a lot of good things about 2009, but so much that it’s hard to ignore…Just like Generations.
And no…I don’t hate Star Trek 2009. There are things I don’t like, but I don’t hate any of the Star Trek movies or series. I still have high hopes for the next movie, and am glad that 2009 has helped make Star Trek more mainstream again.
Keep it up writers! Excellent work, just a few issues that make it hard to watch when trying to take it seriously.
And bring in more women main characters! 1 isn’t enough…

40. Colonel Kernel - May 8, 2011

My list: 1. FC, 2. TUC, 3. TWOK, 4. TVH, 5. ST09….

The problem with ST09 is that the movie ends. I do not mean that the movie is so good that I never want it to end. No, I mean that while watching the movie, the good parts are so good, that the bad parts don’t matter (The lone exception being that mind-meld exposition scene. That was horrendous right then!). The movie ends eventually and you realize, perhaps slowly, that things didn’t add up.

41. Blake Powers - May 8, 2011

#2 Agreed…

42. Peter - May 8, 2011

Update the engine room so that it looks more like the 23rd century engine room of a starship, than a beat up warehouse in the Bronx

43. JP - May 8, 2011

Favorite Star Trek films ranked in order:

1) The Wrath of Khan
2) Master & Commander – The Far Side of the World
3) First Contact
4) Search For Spock
5) Star Trek 2009
6) Generations
7) The Undiscovered Country
8) The Motion Picture
9) Galaxy Quest
10) The Voyage Home
11) Nemesis
12) Insurrection
13) The Final Frontier

44. Magicdan - May 8, 2011

Awesome movie, JUST watched it again. I really can’t wait for the next one. The only problem is that I read too much about it before it came out, because of THIS site.

And I don’t have the self control to stay away.

My list is: There is no list, don’t compare the new movies to the old ones. Classics are just that, classics.

Original movies stand apart from the Next Generation, and this is something new altogether for me.

45. chuck Mosenko - May 8, 2011

Star Trek 3 is my favorite.

I don’t think the writers of ST 09 did much research for the movie. If they did not want to spend a week watching the original series on DVD before writing a new movie. They could’ve found a ST nerd to help with th research info. If I were to write a story for a new movie I knew nothing about, I would research everything before I write anything. The next one will be more of the same write it for a generic audience. He wanted a clean slate free of all the rules that were set. Fine, now show us something new. Not the same thing we see in every other movie. Keep in mind the old star trek fans were a billion dollar industry. What about the new fans? Is the average person going to buy? Loyal fan bases make way more money for an industry then. The average person wants a movie to watch with Their friends, and that’s it, on to the next one. Make a movie we will talk about how awesome it was for the next 20 years. Not easy, but if you can pull it off you’ll be famous for 20 years.

46. Vultan - May 8, 2011


Love that you have “Master and Commander” on your list! It really is the best non-Trek Trek movie… if that makes sense. It would be interesting to see what Peter Weir’s take on an actual Trek would be.

Have to say Trek ’09 is low on my list. Not a bad movie per se, but the script was all over the place and some of the design choices were… uh, questionable. The performances were good though.

47. DeShonn Steinblatt - May 8, 2011

45. Except that the fan base is not particularly loyal. Look at the ratings for Enterprise or the box office for Nemesis.

48. Devon - May 8, 2011

12.) It wasn’t green lit.

“And now, two years later, there isn’t even a first draft. As I said before, Star Trek deserves better.”

And what it deserves is what its getting. It’s fine, honestly.

14.) “#13, if building contractors want to juggle several jobs, that’s totally cool. But if my contractor is a year behind schedule getting my house built, that’s a big deal.”

No one is a year behind on anything. The film doesn’t come out until over a year from now. If it gets moved then it will not be the first time a film ever has.

49. chrisfawkes.com - May 8, 2011

So true. Star Trek didn’t become sexless until Next Generation and beyond.

Voyager and Enterprise regained it but only in certain characters.

How about an army of Jerry Ryan Borg in the next movie. They are sitting in their hive when they get a call from earth begging to be assimilated.

In order to win the day Kirk has to overcome his biggest enemy, and it aint his warp drive.

50. MJ - May 8, 2011

@5 “As far as TNG goes, many of the episodes touched me deeper than any of the movies (see INNER LIGHT or Best of Both Worlds).”

I was kind of ready to accept your Wrath of Khan rules statement until I saw this credibility-stretching follow-up. You’ve got to be kidding!

51. sean - May 8, 2011


The base can be loyal whilst also having good taste.

52. sean - May 8, 2011


Jeyl, whatever you think of Uhura in Trek09, this writing team has brought us heroines like Sydney Bristow, Olivia Dunham, Juliet Burke, and Xena. Your lack of faith in their abilities to flesh out her character (which clearly wasn’t going to happen in an origin story focusing on Kirk and Spock anyway) seems premature.

53. MJ - May 8, 2011

@47 “45. Except that the fan base is not particularly loyal. Look at the ratings for Enterprise or the box office for Nemesis.”

Huh. Those entries just plain sucked. Loyalty should not be given blindly by fans to any crap the studio puts out under the guise of Star Trek.

54. MJ - May 8, 2011

@23/Jeyl “I’m giving this film the #9″

LOL. Yea, right. LOL

55. MJ - May 8, 2011

@48 “14.) “#13, if building contractors want to juggle several jobs, that’s totally cool. But if my contractor is a year behind schedule getting my house built, that’s a big deal.”

The Golden Gate Bridge took a year longer than planned to construct, and I think we would all agree that that project has far surpassed expectations and is the the icon by which all other bridges are judged by.

56. Vultan - May 8, 2011


TNG sexless? Did you miss Troi’s low-cut dresses and big Cher-esque 80s hair? Seemed pretty va-va-voom… for the time.

57. CarlG - May 8, 2011

@23: Uhura was never an Action Girl; she’s The Chick.


If you’re gonna drag in Tvtropes to try and justify your relentless crabbiness, at least do it right.

58. Browncoat1984 - May 8, 2011

Star Trek is a great movie. Its one that as my dad says, you can go back and watch over and over and enjoy and find something new. This cannot be said about many of the past Trek films.

I still rate Star Trek 2 as #1. It will take a lot to top Khan, which in itself rebooted the franchise twenty years ago, but if anybody can do it, these guys can! I would probably tie Star Trek 2009 with First Contact at #2, I like them both almost about the same.

It will be interesting because I don’t think there have ever been two GREAT Star Trek films back to back. Three was an alright movie but it wasn’t great like Khan was. These guys broke the odd numbered curse that had plagued the franchise for years. Lets hope they can break the curse of not having two great movies in a row. If anybody can do it these guys can!

59. CarlG - May 8, 2011

I ranked Trek09 at 3, myself.

Wrath of Khan is still the gold standard for Trek in any universe, and Voyage Home was the first Trek movie I ever saw (and one of the first “grown-up” movies I was ever allowed to rent), so it holds a special place in my heart — and it’s frigging hilarious.

Trek09… it broke my heart in the first 15 minutes, it made me fall in love with the characters all over again, the space battles literally had me on the edge of my seat… it was just plain FUN. I cannot wait for the next Trek!

60. Rocket Scientist - May 8, 2011

I had the opposite reaction: while this movie was fun to watch I don’t find it has staying power. After the initial excitement died down, I just don’t find myself reaching for the DVD anymore. Unlike its predecessors, which I do watch periodically (even the TNG movies), I’m pretty much done with this one. Liked it well enough, but I’m done with it. I hope its follow-up has more substance.

61. Buzz Cagney - May 8, 2011

#3 its nothing to do with nostalgia. WoK was a great film in ’82 and it will remain so just because it is a great film.

62. Buzz Cagney - May 8, 2011

#43 and #46 I also tip my hat also to the inclusion of Master and Commander! One terrific movie. I hear Crowe is pushing for a sequel. Bring it on, baby!

And just for you Vultan….


Reliant took a battering there! lol

63. Vultan - May 8, 2011


What was it like seeing TWOK back in ’82, Buzz? I imagine there was a good deal of shock over the ending—eh, Spock’s ending, that is.

64. Buzz Cagney - May 8, 2011

Oh man it was amazing, Vults. A great deal of sadness. We knew going in that Spock was going to die but it was no less emotional for that. Many a tear was shed my friend.
I can remember the main stream press carrying big stories about his demise at the time! Unbelievable looking back now.
Trek ’09 did catch a big chunk of that same interest though.

This Victory film is a bit better I think.

If you look to the rear of her you will see a ‘tent’ looking construction. HMS Mary Rose (what is left of her!) is in there. They are constructing a new building to house her and the artifacts found when she was raised.


65. Vultan - May 8, 2011

Thanks for the video link. Talk about shock and awe!

Yeah, I heard Russell Crowe had encouraged fans to petition for a Master and Commander sequel. I do know that Tom Rothman of 20th Century Fox was mainly responsible for getting the first one made. He would probably be the guy to contact.

66. Buzz Cagney - May 8, 2011

#65 Contact him? He’s on my Christmas card list matey! lol

Tell you what, i’d be more excited about a new M&C movie than Trek ’12 if i knew one was being made. Sacrilege? I don’t think so.
I’ve been watching Master and Commander recently and its kicks Trek ’09’s arse. imo!
I recently bought the book of the movie (lol) and i’m looking forward to getting stuck into it.

67. CarlG - May 8, 2011

@64: I guess even in the 80’s, with no widespread internet, you still couldn’t escape spoilers…

68. Buzz Cagney - May 8, 2011

Very true, Carl. But these days we actively go looking for them!
I agree with the poster above who says he wishes he had more self-control. In an ideal world i’d be going into the next Trek movie knowing nothing about it. But I know that isn’t going to happen!.

69. The 76th Distillation of Blue - May 8, 2011

i ranked it number 9
ST Nem

70. Jack - May 8, 2011

57. Lol

43. Agree with M&C and Galaxy Quest on the list. And Trek IV being in the bottom half (it got the optimism right, but the characters seemed far too cluelessly fish-out-of-water than they ever had in similar TOS situations). Funny thing about TMP, I often think of it as one of my favorites, as far as tone, and yet I can never bring myself to watch the whole thing when it’s on TV (I think because of the painfully forced Decker/Ilia stuff as much as the pace… and, even more, it’s because, for so much of the movie, the characters are all so displaced and disconnected after having been being separated…. which may have theoretically made for good drama, but it sure as heck wasn’t pleasant).

Oddly, I’d put Moon on the list too (I know, not so Treky, but it had me
interested in the same way that the best Trek did…). Gattaca, to me, also
reminded me of the better Trek morality tales…

71. Captain Conrad - May 8, 2011

Fellow fans! I bring you the REAL best to worst list!!!!

Star Trek II
Star Trek VI
Star Trek IV
Star Trek I
Star Trek III
Star Trek XI
Star Trek VIII
Star Trek VII
Star Trek IX
Star Trek X
Star Trek V

Anyone who disagrees is not a real Trekkie. Happy mother’s day everyone!

72. Bennie - May 8, 2011

2. First Contact
3. Star trek 2009

that’s all folks…

73. Thorbury - May 8, 2011

ST09 belongs somewhere in the bottom half; that’s for sure. How far down? That’s up for debate, I guess.

74. Vultan - May 8, 2011


Buzz, I tried to read one of the M&C books a few years ago, but I found it extremely hard to get into because of the heavy amount of 18th century slang and naval terminology the author used. If you’re up on that sort of stuff, it should be a breeze. But I found Forrester’s Hornblower books a much easier read. They’re more… uh, 20th/21st century friendly.

75. Buzz Cagney - May 8, 2011

Oh dear! I gave up on reading the Hornblower books because I found them rather aged in the use of language! doh!
Ah well, I will give it a try though the very small font size did make me gulp lol
Maybe’s I’ll just pop the dvd in again! :-D

Right oh, another Monday beckons in merry ‘ol England.
Catcha later.

76. Vultan - May 8, 2011

Yeah, I realize that authors do that to add historical flavor and accuracy to their stories, but it does make it difficult for a reader who was born a few centuries afterward! Thankfully, the screenwriter for M&C cut back a bit on the swabbo slang.

77. Canon Schmanon - May 8, 2011

I think that poll helps prove what a small minority the haters are in. At least most people agree that Final Frontier was the stinkiest of the films.

78. Jim - May 9, 2011

If I was to visualise TWOK as an entity rather than a film I would be looking at an Ewok with lots of bling and a mohawk hair cut.

79. Jim Nightshade - May 9, 2011

Trekker 5 why would someone gettin up to go to the bathroom be a memorable incident? Booing maybe-where were you? just curious–with those huge drinks they give ya hah well…

80. Colonel Kernel - May 9, 2011

Captain Conrad, by declaring who is and is not a “real Trekie,” aren’t you declaring yourself to not be a real Trekie?

You are welcome to your anti-TNG slant, but to decree that all others must as well is silly.

81. Colonel Kernel - May 9, 2011

#78 @Jim LOL… and only one glove?

82. Jim Nightshade - May 9, 2011

i also was most excited by tmp after all those years us fans made trek live again n the efx were so much better than the tv show–truly cosmic storyline—-and that jerry goldsmith music wow–but trek 9 is 3rd best on my list after tmp n kahnnnn—thats pretty good–first contact 4th, the whales 5th-

83. MJ - May 9, 2011

@69. Once I saw that you ranked STV in your top 3 (LOL!!! LOL!!!), you lost all credibility for me and I could no longer give a rats ass about where you ranked Trek 09.

84. MJ - May 9, 2011

@74. Vultan, I usually agree with you, but having read both the Hornblower series and the Aubrey-Maturin (i.e., Master and Commander) series, well those of us history buffs view this as like comparing fast food (Hornblower) to a four-star Lobster dinner (Aubrey-Maturin). It is a question of realism, and whether the reader is willing to make the investment to be truly transported back into time.

85. MJ - May 9, 2011

@60 “Unlike its predecessors, which I do watch periodically (even the TNG movies)”

TNG movies have staying power? You’ve got to be kidding, right? Even watching First Contact again recently with my 14-year old son (who BTW, loves TOS Trek movies), he could not stop laughing, and he even got me laughing, at the silly battle on the defector dish at the end of the movie…my goodness that looks lame to me now.

86. boborci - May 9, 2011


Not a bad list for a trek fan!

87. Anthony Pascale - May 9, 2011

One of my biggest peeves is people claiming they are a “true fan” and those who disagree are not. No one is any better at being a fan and there is not a single right way to be a fan and to think.

88. Andrew - May 9, 2011

@86. It’s so cool you comment on here Bob Orci. It’s a little off topic but I’ve been watching the Transformers Prime cartoon series and it’s really well done. I don’t know how involved you are in the series but it does list you as an executive producer. Maybe after the next movie Paramount could be convinced to do a Star Trek cartoon series too. I’m sure there would be plenty of interest. Just look how well Clone Wars has done.

89. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - May 9, 2011

This post actually kind of hurts… it’s been too damn long, already! I wish the next one was coming out right now. Two years is already long enough.

ST2009 isn’t my favorite film in the franchise (2nd place for me), but I love it, so, Bad Robot, keep them coming!

90. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - May 9, 2011

My list:

1. The Motion Picture
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. First Contact
4. The Wrath of Khan
5. The Undiscovered Country
6. Insurrection
7. Generations
8. The Voyage Home
9. Nemesis
10. The Search for Spock
11. The Final Frontier

And if you can’t respect my list (even though I respect anyone and everyone else’s), then ____ you! Because I am a damn Star Trek fan, too.

91. Cmdr. Lucius Devlin - May 9, 2011

The intro ’til the Trek logo was pretty awesome! The rest was just… well… well made. In retrospect I wished, that JJ & Co. would have done even more things differently than copying and rebooting standard Trek. I’m not sure if the reviving of the ‘old’ crew would have been absolutly necessary. A story arch with the Kelvin, its crew and the parents of Kirk — so a completly new Trek — would have been nice too… I think.

92. cugel the clever - May 9, 2011

First Contact is the best.
Star Trek 2009 is second.
TWOK is third.

All are great films with little separating them.

Honourable mentions to The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country.

93. Christopher Roberts - May 9, 2011

1. The Undiscovered Country
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. First Contact
4. The Search for Spock
5. The Voyage Home
6. Nemesis
7. The Motion Picture (Director’s Edition)
8. Insurrection
9. Generations
10. Star Trek (2009 Greatest Hits compilation)
11. The Final Frontier

94. JP Saylor - May 9, 2011

With the exception of the Final Frontier and the 2009 Star Wars.. I mean Star Trek movie, I loved all the movies.

I Sparta kick the 2009 movie, AND the 2012 movie if it’s no good.

95. Duane - May 9, 2011

1. TMP
3. ST 2009

But they are all so different and so great.

96. Mel - May 9, 2011

“Exactly two years ago this weekend the Star Trek movie opened with over $75 million in domestic box office, 50% more than Nemesis made in its entire theatrical run. And compare Star Trek to this weekend’s big hit Thor,which opened with an estimated $66 million domestically, and the Abrams Trek film is even more impressive.”

On the other hand Star Trek “only” made 128 million dollars outside of the USA during its whole cinema run. Thor already made 176 million dollars outside of the USA and it will still make more, as the movie is still airing in the cinemas.


Star Trek won’t be as successful worldwide as other big movies, if it doesn’t increase its viewers outside of the USA. Maybe this time the actors should visit shows in other countries, too.

Other Hollywood actors appear all the time in TV shows in Germany to promote their movies and other things. But there wasn’t even one show with a Star Trek actor. The only thing they did was that German movie premiere in Berlin, but that is all. Other countries didn’t even get this.

97. trekker 5 - May 9, 2011

#79,Jim,i remembered it because he was siting in front of me and when he stood up he had to talk to his buddy for like 5 min. and i missed the whole ‘moster chases Kirk ; round 1’!

98. RenderedToast - May 9, 2011

1. TUC
2. TVH
3. TMP
4. ST09

Close though.

99. captain_neill - May 9, 2011

I ranked the new film at number 7.

My top three are Wrath of Khan, First Contact and Undiscovered Country

100. captain_neill - May 9, 2011



101. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@52: “Jeyl, whatever you think of Uhura in Trek09, this writing team has brought us heroines like Sydney Bristow, Olivia Dunham, Juliet Burke, and Xena.”

You know what the difference between the characters you’ve listed and the new Uhura are? They’re from television shows. Normally, television shows get to showcase characters that normally would never have moments in a film adaptations. Even the original Uhura along with TNG’s female cast are examples of having good presence in the series, but never in the movies. In the series, they had their own stories. In the movies, the focus is always dead set on the two leading characters (TOS being Kirk and Spock, TNG being Picard and Data).

And Bob and Alex’s track record for movies hasn’t really been that great either. They’ve even gone on record saying that Arcee and her sisters, the only female transformers we’ve seen thus far in the live action movies were the only autobots to die in the second movie. First movie they only kill the black guy, second movie they only kill the women. Optimus may have died, but he got resurrected in the end.

As long as they’re writing for a movie, don’t hope much.

102. Lindsey Strauss - May 9, 2011

J.J. Abrams, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman need to surpass Star Trek (2009) and rectify the mistakes that they made because as much as it was a tremendous film, I was still privately disappointed because it could have easily have been so much better. The Orion Syndicate as the villains, larger all-star cast as well as many cameos including by William Shatner and Lady Gaga, larger space battles with more starships, bringing back and give more screentime to Chris Hemsworth, Jennifer Morrison, Rachel Nichols, Winona Ryder and Diora Baird, Kirk having better fighting skills and several human love interests played by Hollywood’s most beautiful young actresses, no cut scenes and the Jerry Goldsmith theme music from the Star Trek Insurrection end credits as well as the album version of ‘Where My Heart Will Take Me’ used at the end.

103. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@57: “Uhura was never an Action Girl; she’s The Chick. If you’re gonna drag in Tvtropes to try and justify your relentless crabbiness, at least do it right.”

No, she’s the faux. As the trope describes, she doesn’t live up to her reputation that the writers spent so much time developing. I doubt the original communications officer would have left his station when ordered to issue an evacuation order to Vulcan.

104. Janice - May 9, 2011

Star Trek 2009 is my favourite.
I went to see it the week-end it opened and just loved it. All the new ST crew were great—but my Fav was PIKE. Bruce Greenwood owned that role!

I went back to see that movie several times–bought the DVD and all–and here I am 2 years later patiently waiting for just a little crumb of news about the ST sequel. I hope they make a summer 2012 release date and that PIKE is there. That’s the most important thing to me—PIKE being in there with a decent role. If that all happens, I’ll be one happy camper!

105. trekker 5 - May 9, 2011

#104,Janice,i agree,i want Pike back as well,but my favorite was Karl Urbans Bones,that guy knew what he was doing!! I saw the movie 3 times and went to Wal-Mart at un-Godly hours of the moring to get the double disc DVD.

106. James T. West (no comma) - May 9, 2011

Hard to recreate the chemistry which the TOS cast had 25 years to.

Trek III is my fav because it captures the “essence” of the show’s concept, while the script for VI (TUC) was the best.

107. simon - May 9, 2011

nothing like the old ones but very good .also the music of the teaser made me to expect something much much better.

108. sean - May 9, 2011


Actually, I’d say the biggest difference (besides Juliet) is that those characters I listed were the stars of their respective series. Star Trek will always be about Kirk & Spock, and to a lesser degree the other characters. So in all fairness, a Trek movie is never going to feature Uhura as extensively (though Trek09 certainly gave her more to do than any previous Trek feature, aside from Trek III, possibly). And honestly, I’m not sure what episode of the original series you could be thinking of that featured Uhura much at all. She was never afforded an episode about her specifically, as many of the TNG cast were. She was mostly relegated to saying ‘Hailing frequencies open, Captain’. In fact, she was given so little to do she was going to quit the show.

Additionally, these guys have more experience in TV because that’s where they’ve worked the majority of their professional careers. It shouldn’t be any surprise that their best work is featured in that medium. You keep bringing up Transformers, but keep in mind that neither JJ nor Damon nor Bryan Burke had anything to do with that film. You aren’t exactly going to change the way Michael Bay views female characters, regardless of the script you turn in.

I also don’t agree with all your criticisms of Uhura in Trek09, but I’ve been down that road with you before. I will address one you keep bringing up, which is when Uhura leaves her post (but not the bridge) to find out why Spock is leaving the ship. It’s actually Spock’s behavior here that is questionable, as he’s the commanding officer leaving the bridge during a crisis. The way I saw that scene, Uhura is seeking justification for why Spock is leaving the ship for good reason, not because she’s a lovestruck idiot who can’t control herself.

109. Bobby - May 9, 2011

I enjoyed the new movie but I prefer the original cast. Even TMP and ST:V were fun just for the nostalgia factor, even though they were not great movies.

Trek 09 is a good start though and less bland than the TNG movies.

So I rated it #7. Actually, I think First Contact was maybe better than 09, but I could probably also make the case that I liked 09 better than STV. :)

I am looking forward to the sequel. But I am not as excited about it as I was about the TOS / TNG movies, just because those were characters I was already invested in.

110. Someone - May 9, 2011

Worst movie. Completely abandoned Gene Roddenberry’s secular humanist ideology, by implying some invisible hand of fate in the universe, shaping man’s destiny for him. Star Trek in name alone.

111. Andrews - May 9, 2011

Wow, it took not even five seconds for the inevitable faux-feminist bozos to start wanking about Uhura ~leaving her station~ and so forth.

112. Aashlee - May 9, 2011

My list:

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. First Contact
4. The Voyage Home
5. The Undiscovered Country
6. The Search for Spock
7. The Motion Picture
8. Generations
9. Insurrection
10. Nemesis
13. The Final Frontier (OK, I really hated it. I don’t care that there are 11 movies — this one ranks #13!)

As someone noted earlier, “The Wrath of Khan” rebooted the franchise the first time. It had a tightly written story, the character relationships were consistent with TOS, there was character growth from beginning to end, the pacing was great, the effects (especially for their time) were good… It hit on all thrusters.

I’ve seen “The Final Frontier” three times: the first time because I was excited to see a “Trek” movie; the second time to see if it was really as bad as I thought it was the first time; and the third time by accident when it came on TV, and I was too sick to get up and change the channel. Stupid, juvenile story, inconsistent characterizations, silliness…UGH!

113. trekker 5 - May 9, 2011

this is my list. 1.Star Trek 2009. 2.ST:3. 3.ST:4. 4.ST:2. 5.ST:6. 6.ST:5. 7.ST:TMP. 8.ST:GEN. 9.ST:NEM. 10.ST:FRIST CON. 11.ST:INSURRECTION. And thats it,I didn’t like the TNG movies as well as the rest.

114. MJ - May 9, 2011

@103 “No, she’s the faux. As the trope describes, she doesn’t live up to her reputation that the writers spent so much time developing. I doubt the original communications officer would have left his station when ordered to issue an evacuation order to Vulcan.”

LOL. You are having fun with us, right? :-))

115. MJ - May 9, 2011

My list:

1.Star Trek 2009
10. ST:5.

116. ML31 - May 9, 2011

1: Wrath of Khan
2: Undiscovered Country
3. First Contact
4: ST:09
5: Motion Picture
6: Nemesis
7: Search for Spock
8: Generations
9: Final Frontier
10: Insurection
11: Voyage Home

117. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@108: “And honestly, I’m not sure what episode of the original series you could be thinking of that featured Uhura much at all.”

Well, there was that one episode where she took command of the Enterprise, but I didn’t want you to go into a canon rant. But really, I wasn’t thinking about any of the original episodes of TOS that featured Uhura. But if I was to pick one, I would say “Balance of Terror” really shows off her skills as an officer. She works with Spock in decoding the Romulan Transmission and takes over the helm when Stiles goes to phaser control.

But that’s not what bothers me. Uhura in TOS is not as relevant to Star Trek as all the other characters that followed. TNG had the short lived but memorable Tasha Yar, Deep Space Nine had the honorable Dax and the headstrong Kira . Voyager had Star Trek’s first female lead! Enterprise kind of went down a notch, but at least they paid off their characters with their skills when Hoshi translated the Romulan language, and that’s more than what Uhura did here.

Star Trek may have some timeless stories, but it is a product of it’s time which this movie unfortunately reflects in more ways than one. After all, does this movie not take place during the time when Starfleet didn’t allow women to become Captains in Starfleet? That was an issue from an episode written by Roddenberry himself.

@108: “It’s actually Spock’s behavior here that is questionable, as he’s the commanding officer leaving the bridge during a crisis. The way I saw that scene, Uhura is seeking justification for why Spock is leaving the ship for good reason, not because she’s a lovestruck idiot who can’t control herself.”

His behavior was… questionable. He’s been told that Vulcan is on the brink of total destruction along with it’s entire population, and him jumping into action is questionable. . . .. If he was just waltzing off the bridge without saying anything, than you would have a point, but he didn’t. He handed over command and gave the crew specific orders to follow while he was heading to the Transporter room. These orders were given to try and save as many lives as they could. Again, what’s questionable about his behavior? He’s taking action and he’s giving orders. Uhura is choosing not to follow these orders and instead chooses to stop him cold and question him. Does it accomplish anything? Yes. Uhura now feels reassured. Obviously those billions of innocent lives just didn’t mean that much to her.

118. PSB2009 - May 9, 2011

Time to start some new lists. “Old Trek Movie Rankings” and “New Trek Movie Rankings” I will always love the “old” ones. So far I love the new ones. Neither diminishes anything from the others.

119. MJ - May 9, 2011

@117 / Jeyl

Dude, you just keep cracking me up. Absolutely hilarious! You should get on Leno or Letterman with your act! LOL :-))

120. NuFan - May 9, 2011

The best. My first exposure to Star Trek.

121. Kirk, James T. - May 9, 2011

BEST STAR TREK MOVIE EVER!!!!!!!! (so far…)

When JJ Abrams was first announced as the guy to lead Star Trek away from it’s basement and into the light of day i felt… uneasy…

MI:III was a decent movie yet it lacked that epic quality and was soon forgotten by many. Lost had seen better days it felt and I just didn’t think Abrams had what it took to bring a goliath of Sci-Fi back from the dead.

How wrong could I have been. His Star Trek movie was the Batman Begins of the Star Trek franchise. It revived the franchise in a superb way by respecting all that had come before it but most importantly creating a new timeline free from what had become by the 00’s a convoluted mess of events refereed to as ‘canon’

Abrams showed us a Star Trek that is quintessentially what Gene Roddenberry set out to achieve to begin with. Abrams not only made Star Trek relevant to a mass audience, he remained faithful to what made Star Trek, Star Trek… fun, exciting, adventurous, bold, humorous, Our world today as seen through the eyes of our distant future.

He injected Star Trek with something it had been missing for a long time ad the result was a movie that captured the hearts of everyone who understands Star Trek as well as people young and old just finding out about this franchise.

It was a badly needed shot in the arm and was the Star Trek I had always dreamed of through the Voyager, Insurrection, Enterprise and Nemesis years so in this respect, it’s the best Star Trek movie so far but to be honest as far as comparing it to previous Star Trek’s – you can’t. This movie stands alone as a new series and as a new chapter. A fresh perspective on Star Trek’s tapestry of stories that had been a long time coming and I hope that the cast and crew just carry on with the great work they’ve done in the 2009 movie.

The classics will always be just that. Wrath of Khan, First Contact. great movies but this is a different ball park now… The future begins… ;)

122. star trackie - May 9, 2011

#117 Well, there was that one episode where she took command of the Enterprise, but I didn’t want you to go into a canon rant.

Book maybe…animated episode for sure, but Uhura was never in command of the Enterprise in the original series or movies. And with all respect to Zoe, I really don’t want to see her given more to do at the expense of the big three. TOS was, is, and always should be about Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Dont waste too much time on the people whose names appeared in the end credits of the show…if they were there at all.

123. kersplat - May 9, 2011

on par with FC for me, I can’t stand the first six films

124. NFXstudios - May 9, 2011

45: You are delusional. In virtually every way. I’m guessing by “did no research” you probably mean that Kirk’s eyes were blue and Spock had 347 hairs in his left eyebrow which are, of course, the most important aspects of the series.

And how is appealing to a wide audience going to make less money than trying to appease a cranky, nitpicking group of aging “fans?” Star Trek 2009 put more butts in the seat than any other Star Trek in history. Yes, it sold more physical tickets than the previous champ, Star Trek: The Motion Picture, which, coincidentally, was the last time Star Trek dared to appeal to a larger audience and spent some real money on production.

125. boborci - May 9, 2011

88. Yeah, TF prime is really fun. Thanks for watching it!

126. boborci - May 9, 2011

Jeyl, you’ve convinced me to do something I never thought I would do:

Tell the truth…

So here it is. I was never a fan of Trek, had never even seen it. In fact i despised it from afar for all of its nerdyness. So when I heard Paramount was going to try again, i knew we had to get the job… So we could destroy this franchise once and for all.

And i would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it wasnt for you meddling fans who just had to go see it twice.

I mean honestly, how badly does a guy have to eff up a movie before some of you just stay home?

127. Iva - May 9, 2011

You honestly believe the majority of trekkies know this movie because they went to the cinema?
Why, that’s adorable.

128. PSB2009 - May 9, 2011

Please eff up the next one just as much, too, and I’ll be happy. I hope you mess it up so much, in fact, that they make a new series out of it. How cool would that be?

129. JP - May 9, 2011

@ Buzz & Vultan:

Glad you guys liked the inclusion of M&C on my list. I’ve long felt that it was a Trek film on the water. I’ve always been most drawn to Star Trek when its naval roots on its sleeve. Hence why I draw so many parallels between M&C and Trek. That and I find the characters of Aubrey and Maturin parallel Kirk and Spock/McCoy. “Lucky Jack” with his penchant for turning death into a fighting chance to live just IS Kirk. And both men are masters at sea while being aloof and adrift on land. And Maturin a combination of Spock and McCoy, the man of science and the yin to Kirk/Jack’s Yang. It’s not a perfect correlation but close enough for me.

Oh and Buzz, you may already know this but the movie is actually a loose amalgam of the first book “Master & Commander” and the tenth book “The Far Side of the World”. Hence the elongated movie title. The old English writing and heavy sailing terminology are atough hurdle but if you make it through the books are very rewarding. As for a movie sequel Weir has expressed a disinterest in returning to the material and in working with Crowe again.

130. NFXstudios - May 9, 2011

129: M&C and Galaxy Quest are both great “non canon” Trek movies. Of course, it’s Master and Commander type stories (Horatio Hornblower) that were the inspiration for Star Trek to begin with.

131. JP - May 9, 2011

@ 130: Absolutely!

132. Jack - May 9, 2011

126. What’s Star Trek?

133. Larry - May 9, 2011

I think the ST 2 was the best out of all of them with ST 2009 second. With that said, I believe ST 2012 should follow in similar lines as ST 2 and some of the Original Series. How James Kirk cheats death. Like in ST 2 he gets surprised by Khan and the Enterprise gets badly damage almost destroyed. Him and the crew rallies back to destroy Khan. This can be done in ST 2012 and not with Khan as the villain. I would say with the Klingons as the villian.

134. MJ - May 9, 2011

@127 “Why, that’s adorable.”

Iva, it’s not nearly as endearing as you continued predilection for irrelevancy. :-))

135. Vultan - May 9, 2011


You hit the nail on the head, JP. That’s exactly the way I saw the two lead characters of M&C paralleling the triad of Star Trek.

136. star trackie - May 9, 2011

#126 “I mean honestly, how badly does a guy have to eff up a movie before some of you just stay home?”

…you’re not even close! Although I must admit, Pike’s inflection of the word “dare” almost was a deal breaker…the very idea…

137. Jack - May 9, 2011

Some have been talking about staying power — I find most origin stories (like Batman Begins) pretty tedious after the first couple of viewings because they’re usually not about much other than the characters becoming whoever we expect them to become. I could watch the Metropolis parts of Superman over and over again, but the early stuff I fast forward through. Both movies had good characters but kind of weak foil-the-villain plots (blowing up the Wayne building, destroying California).Everyone mentions the Dark Night, but it was about more than just foiling the villain’s evil plan, and the same for Trek II — both films are visceral, the audiences get punched in the gut. I’m not sure if “they” wanted Nero to be such a cardboard, but cool, matinee villain, although it seems like they did, and the destruction of Vulcan certainly was a shock, but it felt more like the statement
they said it was — we’re not going to leave things the way we found them —
than a real emotional moment (although maybe I’m still in shock) but still, the flick had enough emotional heft, mainly because of Pine, i think, to have staying power. i guess I’m hoping this next one won’t just be a bunch of sequences.

138. Vultan - May 9, 2011

Hey Bob Orci, I know sharing details of the sequel’s story are out of the question at this point, but could you name some of the influences you used in writing it? Some particular episodes of TOS? Or TNG? Or perhaps the aforementioned “Master and Commander”?

By the way, how would you rank the Trek movies?

139. Christopher Roberts - May 9, 2011

138. Hopefully the influence is still a little TNG “Yesterday’s Enterprise”, with a hefty amount of “Balance of Terror”.

140. trekker 5 - May 9, 2011

Mr.Orci,i saw your really bad movie 3 times and have watched it in total about 40 times,and i have to say,make the next one so bad,that i’ll see it 5 times when it comes out! i love your work! :)

141. Alec - May 9, 2011

Trek 2009 was good (perhaps the 4th best Trek film). But it was nowhere near as good as TWOK (1st). I can’t see how anyone can argue otherwise, unless they’ve never seen TWOK.

Star Trek 2009 had a great many flaws: depth of story; villain; production design; chance encounters and promotions; etc. It had some emotion and lots and lots of action…hence, it’s popular with the current moviegoing audience.

142. bjdcharlie - May 9, 2011

#26 Bob, you crack me up. At some point you just have to stop listening.

143. Buzz Cagney - May 9, 2011

#126 see it twice Bob? Sorry to disappoint you mate but I think I hit double figures on cinema trips to see Trek ’09!
So while I do like Master and Commander better your little movie earned plenty of money from me!

JP yes I had read that Weir had expressed little interest in a sequel though I wasn’t aware he did not wish to work with Crowe again. Personality clash or something? Seems unlikely, Russ is such a pussycat! lol

144. Christopher Roberts - May 9, 2011

126. Damn, I knew it! I just knew it!

In retrospect, the signs were all there.

You obviously used Wikipedia to get up to speed on the little things which make Star Trek, Star Trek. :-}

145. Vultan - May 9, 2011

Russell Crowe would make an interesting addition to a Trek movie. A Klingon baddie or overbearing Starfleet admiral perhaps? Just be sure to duck when he throws his communicator in a fit of rage. ;)

146. Trek Nerd Central - May 9, 2011

126. You forgot to add: BWAAhahahahahahaha. . .

147. Jack - May 9, 2011

hey, was “simplifying” the stardate really a means of reaching a general audience? The original stardates, while intriguing in theory, were usually just a bunch of random numbers…I actually think the change to a calendar date helped fans figure out when all this was happening… would have been nice with a number or two in front so we could pretend that it wasn’t entirely based on the Jesus/Gregorian system.

148. Dr. Image - May 9, 2011

Actually, TWOK had many flaws. And, I think it’s mindlessly overrated.
(Oh, the heresy!)
AND, I’ll always have a soft spot for TMP.
But what do I know. I think Insurrection is UNDER rated…
Nemesis? Utter swill. I’d rather watch TFF ten times in a row- at least it’s funny.
(I placed ST’09 at #1, BTW.)

149. Buzz Cagney - May 9, 2011

Russell Crowe is just magnetic as Aubrey, eh Vults?
Crowe as Captain of an alien ship- toe to toe with Kirk? Interesting idea, but I fear Kirk would just end up getting his gonads handed to him in a goody bag. Again!

150. P Technobabble - May 9, 2011

I voted Trek09 at #2 (sorry, Bob), but that’s only because I am a real softy for the TOS cast. Even at that, my favorite movie really depends on what sort of mood I’m in. So, one day my #1 Trek film is TWOK, and next month it’s TVH, and so forth.
While I understand Trek09 is, in its own way, a continuing, yet different, Star Trek, I see it standing on its own. One didn’t have to be a Trek fan to get into the movie. One didn’t have to see all the previous movies to catch up.
With all this said, we really should remember that “best,” or “favorite,” is a subjective matter. I liked FC, but I like Trek09 more. I like Trek09 way more than any of the other TNG films. That’s just me, and I take the blame for it. With all the complaining some people do, ad infinitum, they don’t tend to own up to owning their opinions — they just babble as if they are spouting fact, or truth. Such balderdash!
Bob Orci: imagine what you could do if you WERE a Star Trek fan! You might make a flim that isn’t the highest grossing Trek film so far! You might have the blessings of some of the most picayune human beings on the planet! You might even, dare I say, rule the world!

151. Blowback - May 9, 2011

Best Star Trek trailer ever….

152. NFXstudios - May 9, 2011

#141 & #148

Wrath of Khan is a very good movie, and it shows an evolution of the main characters from maverick explorers into over the hill veterans who have the save the day one last time (except, of course, it didn’t exactly turn out to be “one last time.”)

But the movie is definitely extremely flawed. All movies are, of course, but for all the talk of “plot holes” in Star Trek 2009, it’s Wrath of Khan that really takes the prize for them, and the overall morose atmosphere is a little downbeat even for an adventure movie full of AARP members. It was also made on a television budget, which shows in the poor FX and recycled footage from The Motion Picture, as well as the use of stock props such as the phaser, which was bought off the shelf rather than made for the movie. Wrath of Khan did, however, have very good production design and some of the best performances of the entire series (especially Shatner, Nimoy, and Montalban).

For what it’s worth, my top four are Star Trek, Wrath of Khan, First Contact, and Motion Picture. Of the four, I think Star Trek and Motion Picture are most true to who the characters were in their original series, and the overall theme of the original series. Ironically, I think I like First Contact expressly because its so unlike Next Generation. Shrug.

153. Vultan - May 9, 2011


Yeah, magnetic is definitely the word for it, Buzz. Can’t imagine another actor playing Lucky Jack. Then again, despite his less than gentlemanly attitude off screen, Crowe is one of the best actors out there. LA Confidential, Gladiator, Cinderella Man, M&C—a pretty impressive resume ole Russ has.

Still haven’t watched Robin Hood yet. Have you?

154. Mike - May 9, 2011

IMO. Better than all the TNG movies. Not better than any of the TOS movies (except V).

Pretty good as far as Trek goes.

155. trekker 5 - May 9, 2011

#151,agreed!! :)

156. Starbase Britain - May 9, 2011

This is almost an impossible task. For me, i would put all 6 films featuring the original cast first just because i love and grew up with shatner, nimoy and so on.

But i recognise that that would not be fair on the new movie. visually and technically its probably the best one yet. I do like the new guys and it made me very pleased to see Trek back on the big stage – in the big time again.

I loved seeing the characters reborn and given a new lease of life.

Really hard task!!


157. Mike - May 9, 2011

It’s minor complaint, but I do wish that the ST 12 design team would take a few pages from TNG, just in terms of the functionality of the bridge and controls and such. Why would a touchscreen control panel have a book light over it? It makes so sense. Also, LCARS panels looked like something you could actually use. The ST 09 tech looks shiny, but I doesn’t really convey this sense of realism me.

158. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@126: “I was never a fan of Trek, had never even seen it. In fact i despised it from afar for all of its nerdyness. So when I heard Paramount was going to try again, i knew we had to get the job… So we could destroy this franchise once and for all. And i would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it wasnt for you meddling fans who just had to go see it twice.”

I’ve seen your movie three times in the theaters and I purchased the BluRay edition with the four QMx badges in-store, band new. You’re welcome.

Even if you were serious about not being a fan of Star Trek, I wouldn’t care. Bringing in writers, producers and even directors who are not fans of Star Trek never really hurt it in the past. It’s bringing in folks who don’t want to try and understand it that hurts it. That’s not you of course. That’s Stuart Baird. I KNOW you like Star Trek.

I’m just not convinced that your Uhura is an integral part of the crew.

159. Shannon Nutt - May 9, 2011

It’s the second-best to me…but I guarantee you if this poll given to a more “general” audience, it would be #1 by far. My wife loved this film, and thought TWOK was “BORING!”. Go figure!

160. chrisfawkes.com - May 9, 2011

Best to Worst.

1. Star Trek 09 (different league to anything else and recaptured original feel).

2. Wrath of Khan

3. The Undiscovered Country

4. The Voyage Home

5. First Contact

6. The Motion Picture

7. The Search for Spock

8. The Final Frontier (though it had some great and memorable character moments).

9. Insurrection.

10. Generations (now we border into mega crap territory, where no trekkie had been forced to go to before).

11. Nemesis (Not even watchable, the studio should have pulled the plug on this disaster half way through production).

161. Forrest Leeson - May 9, 2011

@126: “I mean honestly, how badly does a guy have to eff up a movie before some of you just stay home?”

Well, NEMESIS obviously. And TUC was so immoral I would have skipped the next one had it not been TNG.

I’ll turn out at the theater again when Paramount starts adapting the novels. Not holding my breath.

162. Vultan - May 9, 2011


TUC immoral? Care to elaborate?

163. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 9, 2011

#126 LOL! Too funny.

I am beginning to think that Jeyl and Iva need to get a room somewhere in a galaxy far, far, far away. They seem to have so much in common…LOL

#87 Yes, I have read so many rationalisations from people who think they are a bigger or “true fan” of Star Trek compared with anyone else. They are enough to have psychologists and sociologists’ heads spinning on bottle tops.

#161 How was TUC immoral? Just wondering, very curious.

164. MJ - May 9, 2011

@163 “I am beginning to think that Jeyl and Iva need to get a room somewhere in a galaxy far, far, far away. They seem to have so much in common…LOL”

Agreed. LOL. However, they might grumpy each other to death. LOL

165. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

I don’t think my response was that bad.

166. jeff milligan - May 9, 2011

I grew up watching Shatner, Nimoy, Nichols, et al….have seen all of the myriad of series- even the bad movies, like the one w/ Lawrence Luckenbill in it…yawn…The re-branding is HUGE!! Superb casting; anyone who does not see a young Kirk/Shatner in the kid and Chris Pine is not as knowledgable regarding the franchise as they think! Oh, I am NOT a tech geek- 54 y/o queer retired chef pot smoker in the New Mexico desert…go figure.

167. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 9, 2011

WELL … Ok … IT SEEMS I said the wrong thing again…. LOL

#86 – 126 – boborci … LOL… again… Good to see you here!

:-) :-)

168. sean - May 9, 2011


“After all, does this movie not take place during the time when Starfleet didn’t allow women to become Captains in Starfleet? That was an issue from an episode written by Roddenberry himself.”

Well, if you accept Enterprise as canon, that’s been retconned. I believe Bob Justman argued that the line in Turnabout Intruder meant Starship Captain’s simply didn’t have time for a family, but Roddenberry admitted the line was sexist. Roddenberry didn’t write the screenplay though, it was simply based on an original story he wrote.

“Again, what’s questionable about his behavior? He’s taking action and he’s giving orders.”

Let’s see…Captain Pike has been kidnapped, Vulcan is being swallowed by a black hole, and now the acting captain wants to beam down to the planet that’s in the process of being destroyed in what could easily be considered suicide (Kirk says as much). No, nothing questionable about that judgment at all! What was I thinking? ;)

Spock wouldn’t even relinquish command to give his father a life-saving blood transfusion. Now admittedly, this is a younger, more emotionally vulnerable Spock. With that in mind, I have no problem with the scene. But Uhura and Kirk are absolutely right to question the wisdom of the captain of the only surviving starship in the fleet beaming down to a planet being sucked into a black hole.

I’m also not clear that the order to evacuate was directed at Uhura specifically, or that she hadn’t already issued it with the push of a few buttons. I’d have to pull out the Bluray to verify. But even if it was, I believe the exchange between Spock and Uhura last all of a few seconds. I’d hardly label that as proof that Uhura doesn’t care if billions of people die.

169. Jefferies Tuber - May 9, 2011

158. Jeyl – Uhura’s language skill saved Earth. But for her contribution, the Enterprise is destroyed on arrival to Vulcan. What the hell else do you want? So you don’t value communications skills… shocking.

170. kc - May 9, 2011

Put it number 3 behind Wrath of Kahn and First Contact.

171. MJ - May 9, 2011

@169 “Jeyl – Uhura’s language skill saved Earth. But for her contribution, the Enterprise is destroyed on arrival to Vulcan.”

yea, DUH! Jeyl is a child. I suggest we treat him as such.

172. Jefferies Tuber - May 9, 2011

1 ST09 must rank as the best film, bar-none. The film is better produced with more attention to detail and a sophisticated audience than any prior film with the exception of TMP. The film integrates forty years of pop culture, reboots the most loved franchise in the world and can inspire both laughter and tears. After watching the movie countless times on screen and on my laptop, I have catalogued these serious criticisms:
[a] Leonard Nimoy’s performance was weak. I suspect that he got bad direction from JJ to ‘talk faster’ for the era of digital editing, because Nimoy’s cadence, rhythm and patient elocution of Spock were nowhere to be found. The movie should have been 90sec longer just so Nimoy could actually pause and act.
[b] The Tyler Perry scenes do not make any sense and are so ridiculous as to break the suspension of disbelief. Hundred of students sitting around, with every seat perfectly filled, constantly for every reason? The distress signal? The ridiculous adjudication process. It’s so densely packed with WTF moments that one can only be thankful that it passes quickly. “I am relieved” is a great line, though.

2 TWOK is the second best Trek film. The unquestionably b-level production, despite the groundbreaking CG Genesis effect from ILM, already looks as cheap and dated as TOS. In spite of all of this, it’s one of the great film, and far and away the best film from the original cast.

3 TMP is the third best Trek film. Much maligned and flawed in practical ways–like length and the failure to make excellent use of William Shatner, the film remains the headiest, most existential exploration of Trek ever. It’s like the kids in black got one shot at Trek and didn’t deliver, so they’ve never been given another chance. This movie gets bonus points for being the prototype for TNG, given the often-observed parallels between Deckard/Ilia and Riker/Troi and TNG’s more cerebral character overall.

4 TSFS is the fourth best Trek film. I understand why people hate on this film, but Christopher Lloyd and the Klingon dog, the death of Kirk’s son and rebirth of Spock via a dying Genesis planet are all scifi pulp of the highest order. Kirk and McCoy’s off-duty leather jackets are epic.

5 TUC I can’t really abide the pink blood, but I love the Shakespearean scenery chewing and the production design was great. I think of TUC as the pork rind of Trek… it’s an acquired taste, for sure, but satisfying to some of us.

The TNG movies were appalling–each and every one of them. The crash of the D in whatever movie that was, was truly amazing on the big screen. But those movies were all flawed at the producer level. Bad ideas, executed with a yawn. Data looked like crap on film.

173. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@169: “Uhura’s language skill saved Earth. But for her contribution, the Enterprise is destroyed on arrival to Vulcan. What the hell else do you want? So you don’t value communications skills… shocking.”

You want to try again? I know you’re trying to convey a point, but I’m not understanding what you are saying.

174. Jim Nightshade - May 9, 2011

Hahha trekker 5 where were you? city n theatre? i hope it wasnt me–well i know i wasnt dumb nuff to stand up blocking peoples view—so pretty sure it wasnt me

175. DeShonn Steinblatt - May 9, 2011

163. They seem to have so much in common

More than you know.

176. dmduncan - May 9, 2011

ST.09 ranks first place for me as a single work within the movie series. But TUC is a close second due to the nature of the plot. The false flag premise central to the plot of TUC is highly relevant to past and current events, it was well handled, the send off to the original crew was great, and if my wish were granted we’d see that premise again in a Star Trek movie.

177. MJ - May 9, 2011

@173 “You want to try again? I know you’re trying to convey a point, but I’m not understanding what you are saying.”



178. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@168: “But Uhura and Kirk are absolutely right to question the wisdom of the captain of the only surviving starship in the fleet”

The Enterprise was not the only surviving starship in the fleet after the destruction of Vulcan. Remember how the fleet was in another sector during Kirk’s hearing and how Spock told Kirk that in order to improve their chances at another confrontation with Nero that they would need to rendezvous with the rest of the fleet?

@168: “I’m also not clear that the order to evacuate was directed at Uhura specifically”

I guess that makes sense since Uhura no longer “THE” communications officer of the Enterprise but just “A” communications officer since the bridge now has three officers who handle communication duties at the same time. Nice down grade.

179. CarlG - May 9, 2011

@103: Hooo-kay, since I’m feeling inexplicably stubborn tonight, I shall attempt to break it down for you. Uhura cannot be a Faux Action Girl, since she was never established as an action-oriented character in the first place.

Say for example, Uhura had taken part in the skydiving mission to the drill platform, gotten knocked around by Romulans, then rescued by Kirk or Sulu. Then she would be a Faux Action Girl / Distressed Damsel.

Now, at a stretch, you could argue that Uhura’s translation skills fall under Informed Ability, since there was no thrilling epic on-screen montage of her decrypting Nero’s transmissions (which I’m sure the audience would have positively adored).

So, to sum up: Uhura =/= Faux Action Girl since she was never an Action Girl to begin with. Got it? Do we, as a certain space hippie once said, “reach”?

180. MJ - May 9, 2011

@178 “I guess that makes sense since Uhura no longer “THE” communications officer of the Enterprise but just “A” communications officer since the bridge now has three officers who handle communication duties at the same time. Nice down grade.”

You’re kidding, right? Come on, you are stretching this thin argument well beyond any sense of credibility, and nobody is buying what you are selling sans cranky Iva.

181. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 9, 2011

UHURA! UHURA! UHURA! UHURA! ………………………UHURA!!!!!!!!! …LOL

:-) :-)

182. MJ - May 9, 2011

@179. Well put. Additionally, we have the original Uhura character being defined in the late 1960’s by writers and the Great Bird himself who were it today’s terms, sexist. So the Uhura of the new movie removes those unnecessary limitations on female characters that were a part of sixties television and societal limitations.

183. CarlG - May 9, 2011

@126: Ah, a brilliant, diabolical scheme undone at the last minute by not actually effing up the movie at all! :D

Now, pay no more attention to Cap’n Crankypants and go write us some awesome Trek. ;)

@158: Really? Three times in theatres AND got the Blu-Ray? The FoeYay is strong with this one….

184. Jeyl - May 9, 2011


Case point here being that it’s Kirk who figures out that the transmission was important, not Uhura. This wasn’t her being heroic or using her smarts to figure out a way to overcome an obstacle. She just happen to be at the right place at the right time while being totally oblivious to the situation at hand.

185. CarlG - May 9, 2011

@180: Nah, Iva is at the exact opposite of the crankiness spectrum from Jeyl. Jeyl has this sort of reverse chauvinism thing (I hesitate to call it feminism) going on, whereas charming Iva thinks Zoe Saldana prostitutes herself for screen time. If the two of them ever met, they’d probably explode.

186. MJ - May 9, 2011

@183 “@158: Really? Three times in theaters AND got the Blu-Ray?”

Yea, what kind of a moron does that and then continually trashes it. I don’t believe him either. It is not a credible statement.

Star Trek V and Insurrection were my last place entries. I saw them only once in the theater and never bothered with the DVD or Blu-Ray. That is a credible approach towards treating Trek entries that I did like.

187. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@180: “You’re kidding, right?”

Nope. Hannity is a communications officer, and so is Chekov.

188. MJ - May 9, 2011

@184. Her intelligence information, combined with Kirk’s historical information, provided Pike the decision point inpu concerning preparing the Enterprise for the arrival at Vulcan. Kirk could not have figured this out without Uhura’s information. She provided communications information critical to the success of the mission. She also replaced an inept “standard quality” communications officer who was not ready to translate all the dialects needed for the mission.

189. MJ - May 9, 2011

@187. No they aren’t. They may have done a couple of communications activities in the movie, but so what. You will have to do better than that.

190. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

186: “Yea, what kind of a moron does that and then continually trashes it. I don’t believe him either. It is not a credible statement.”

Ooo. Now we’re getting into name calling. But no, seriously. I saw the film on opening night and thought it was ok. I saw it again the following day with my coworkers at our local Imax and that’s when I started to think it wasn’t all that good. The third time came when my friend wanted to see it while I was visiting her in North Carolina.

And finally, I got the BluRay because, heck. Those QMX badges offered by Best Buy were a freaking steel. Especially considering that each one costs $10 each on their own, and I got all four plus a BluRay set for $25.

And you obviously don’t know me well enough since I love owning really bad movies. Star Trek V? Own it. Nemesis and Insurrection? Got’em on BluRay. Battlefield Earth? Got it. Plan 9 from Outer Space? Got it. Transformers 2? Got it. I love watching bad movies and ripping them apart. I have all the official Mystery Science Theater 3000 DVDs and a ton of public domain movie packs. The only regret I have is that I didn’t buy Transformers 2 pre-owned. That film physically hurt me, and I would have rather all the money go to the video store and not the studio.

And if you try searching for some of my comments on this website before the movie was released, you will find that I was actually looking forward to this movie like nothing else. I wanted to love it. I wanted to say it was the best thing Star Trek has ever done. But the more I saw it, the less I liked it. That stuff happens.

191. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@189: “No they aren’t.”

Pike: Hannity, hail the USS Truman.


Chekov: The enemy ship has lost power, shields are down sir!
Kirk: Hail them now.
Chekov: Aye!

Yes they are.

192. Jeyl - May 9, 2011

@188: “She also replaced an inept “standard quality” communications officer who was not ready to translate all the dialects needed for the mission.”

And boy, did she ever put him to shame by listening to… well, nothing. Cripes, even an inept person can understand what nothing sounds like. At least when Chekov pushed that transporter room lady out of the way, he actually did something that she couldn’t do. I hope you don’t think that this guy was so inept that he couldn’t figure out what nothing sounds like.

193. MJ - May 9, 2011

You post 192 has to be just about the most inept response I have every read on this website. However, in your defense, you actually appear to believe what you are saying and think that you are making sense and advancing credible statements…my, how sad.

Just say you hate her and get it over with. The logical reasoning you are attempting is pathetic at best. Say you hate her…the truth will set you free, my friend.

194. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 9, 2011

#193 I totally agree.

Did it ever occur to the Jeyl’s and Iva’s of this world that what Uhura had been doing was updating the universal translator with her greater knowledge of Romulan dialects, so that when they did eventually have a Romulan speak to them, ie Nero, the Enterprise crew could actually understand him and he them? So, she did not hear anything when she first took over from the other communications person, but later they did hear from a Romulan…

That is what a lot of Uhura’s job, making sure that the computer dealing with language and communications has as much quality information and programming as possible in order to provide the captain and crew with necessary and quickly accessible information.

195. Red Dead Ryan - May 9, 2011

I think the REAL reason Jeyl hates the new movie is because “Star Trek” is different from the previous “Star Trek”. I’m willing to bet that Jeyl went in hating the new movie and came out hating it even more. Jeyl is like one of those “Star Wars” fans, who accuse George Lucas of “raping their childhood” while still going to see the prequels multiple times at the theatre and buying the dvds.

Jeyl seems to have it out for J.J Abrams, Bob Orci and the other “Supreme Court” members. Simply because they chose to shake the status quo. Jeyl didn’t get what she wanted, and so chooses to be bitter about it and hold a grudge against the “Supreme Court”.

Jeyl is what you’d call a “Trek Fundamentalist”.

196. Buzz Cagney - May 9, 2011

#153 Vultan, no I haven’t seen Crowes Robin Hood yet. The character just never really interested me. Oh, and the Landing Craft…………!!

197. MJ - May 9, 2011

@196. Buzz, it is a Ridley Scott historical movie…need I say more to peek your interest?

198. Vultan - May 9, 2011


Yeah, the landing craft was one of the reasons I didn’t immediately go out and see it. I’ve always liked the character of Robin Hood, but D-Day in ye olden times is a really weird choice to make… even for Ridley Scott.

Looking forward to his Alien prequel though. That should be weird in a good, sci-fi kind of way. No landing craft… or swords. ;)

199. MJ - May 9, 2011

@198. Unfortunately, for the Prometheus movie, it sounds like they are going to have the origin story for the Alien creatures be a DOD military experiment gone wrong. To me, that takes the great scifi element of discovering a completely alien life form out of the equation…whoops, its just another military industrial complex bad guy movie….sorry, no wondrously powerful true alien life forms here.

200. Buzz Cagney - May 9, 2011

He may be a bit of a lad but Crowe is a properly good bloke too…


I think i’d rather be on his good side though!



I did enjoy Gladiator, MJ. Is Robin Hood worth a look?

201. Harry Ballz - May 9, 2011

Buzz, Robin Hood was pretty bad. Crowe was completely wrong for the part.

202. Anthony Thompson - May 9, 2011

In many ways, 09 was the best. It was really the first Star Trek film of any scope. Except TMP, which wasted it’s budget on mind-numbing effects sequences. Bob and JJ’s film had a good pace, nice character moments and a good tie-in to the original cast.

But I believe the best is yet to come. The cast is in place and poised for great new adventures

203. MJ - May 9, 2011

@201. Harry, I liked Robin Hood. Crowe was probably to old for the part, but it clicked for me nevertheless. It wasn’t Kingdom of Heavan (directors cut), but that movie stands very tall in my book.

204. colorado_gamer - May 9, 2011

#1 – #4
II, III, IV and VI. Great arc and might never be beat


First Contact


All of the others I pretend did not get made.

205. captain_neill - May 9, 2011


Yes it had the budget but at times I felt in places the Star Trek ideals that Roddenbrry set out were diluted and the storyline very flawed.
It is still better than a a good few of the Trek movies, but as aI stated earlier the new one is not my current.

What makes the movie work is the cast. Most of them evoke the original prime universe characters, the only exceptions being Zoe Saldana and Simon Pegg.

Although I love this new film, I think my preference for the prime universe has spoiled me because while I feel Star Trek XII wil be better than the last movie. It will be a really hard job to beat my top 3 of TWOK, FC and TUC.

In regards to First Contact, I think its a stronger story with a more engaging plot than the last movie. The Borg are a far better villain than Nero, then again any villain is better than Nero.

Anyway I feel as Star Trek XII is their second movie, perhaps it will follow the pattern of Wrath of Khan for TOS and First Contact for TNG in that the second outing will be their best outing, If we break the movies into 3 tiers.

206. MJ - May 10, 2011

@205. Captain Nell, did you cut and paste this from any early post of yours? I could swear that you have made each of these points multiple times in the past already. Deja Vu! :-))

207. JP - May 10, 2011

I would like to see a Star Trek version of Titanic (minus the cheesy romance) as a future movie at some point. No bad guy, just a story of a doomed starship and the crew before, during, and after a disaster befalling the ship. Think TNG’s “Disaster” only more fleshed out.

208. Jack - May 10, 2011

192. Isn’t the point that she’s now on the bridge, and Pike and Spock believe she’s qualified to be there? The comm guy wasn’t necessarily inept (I’m defending an extra) — he couldn’t tell the diff between two similar languages and Uhura could, so she got the task, Alas, signals were blocked…. and after Vulcan was gone they apparently didn’t work at all (I’m still unclear on that, could they not contact the fleet/earth after the drill was disabled because of interference from the singularity or battle damage, or both?)

Heck, Sulu got there (the bridge) because poor McKenna had lungworm (why couldn’t they make that mentioned character a woman, by the way? Or at least not a white guy. Same with Dr. Prurie [sp?]). And nobody here’s slamming the guy for goofing up on his first day on a brand new design.

ps. i hope Uhura’s not an automatic, instant, darned convenient, 10 minute master of previously unknownlanguages like Hoshi Sato or the professor on Gilligan’s Island. I’d rather they’d show her working at it… but the being a xenolinguist feels right for the character, and in at least one of the novels she was skilled at writing programs to decipher codes as well.

209. Basement Blogger - May 10, 2011

First, well written article Anthony. Star Trek (2009) was a well made film. I would say the production values were the best of any Star Trek movie. If I may quote James T. Kirk, “it was fun.”

But Star Trek 2009 was not a great piece of Star Trek. If you remember Red Letter Media’s “long form” review by Harry Plinkett, you recall he said it was good action movie but not much in terms of science fiction. I think that describes the 2009 movie. The bad was that it was craven in its pandering to the teenager demographic. The good as said above was that it was well made. I look forward to the next one since all the parties want to go deeper. And since the 2009 movie was dedicated to creator Gene Roddenberrry who wanted his show to be something with substance, I believe the next Star Trek will be more Star Trek and less Star Wars.

As far as where it stands among Star Trek movies, I rate it fourth. Third would be Star Trek: First Contact, by the way note the bettter use of a rock song for a Star Trek movie. Steppenwolf’s Magic Carpet Ride came out in 1968 coninciding with era of the original series. Also it’s a better song than the Beasite Boys nonsense. But I digress. Second is Wrath of Khan. The best Star Trek movie to me is “Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.” Yes, the one with the whales. It boldly went in the direction of comedy. Didn’t have a space battle, yet the pacing was perfect. And it had an important environmental message that made it the most Roddenberryesque of all the movies.

210. Nick - May 10, 2011

Behind the conversation somewhat – but had to work today ya know?

Star Trek 2009 comes second for me in a very good light. The Wrath of Khan saved the ‘series’ from oblivion & was a great movie, especially a character piece. I loved it & the arc through to ST3 & 4.

2009 was superb simply because I got to love again the characters & the relationships I loved before (over Saturday fish & chips with Dad), can’t beat that personally.

They’re all good though. I appreciate anything I can get given we were dead in the water only a few years ago.

Anyway, blah blah, more McCoy!

All good!

211. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


My apologies. I did not mean to repeat myself.

Budget wise and Box taking wise then Star Trek XI is the biggest.

What do people think about my comment that if you break the movies into three tiers, TOS, TNG and Alternate Universe OS that because Wrath of Khan and First Contact are the best ones for each respective crew that that means Star Trek XII should be the biggest one for the new team?

Hope that makes sense.

212. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


I agree with your points, I do think the teenage audience was more targeted than us Trekkies.

I sometimes think Hollywood believes audiences to be really dumb, given how things are being dumbed down. Not stupid but less intelligent.

213. Jack - May 10, 2011

209. Howdy. Okay, what pandering to its teenage demographic? I don’t think I see it….

214. trekker 5 - May 10, 2011

#174,Jim,it wasn’t you,but who ever it really was,i would have so,so much wished to have a few words with him about what and what not to do at the movies!!

215. Jeyl - May 10, 2011

195. “I think the REAL reason Jeyl hates the new movie is because “Star Trek” is different from the previous “Star Trek”. I’m willing to bet that Jeyl went in hating the new movie and came out hating it even more.”

So I didn’t like the new Star Trek because it was different from previous Star Trek material. Isn’t that the most common reason audiences don’t like sequels/prequels/reboots because it was different in some way shape or form from the other material it’s based on? Can the same not be said for why audiences would likes a movie better than the rest? The fact that Trek09 is different from the rest of Star Trek is not the sole absolute reason why I didn’t like it.

195: “Jeyl is what you’d call a Trek Fundamentalist.”

Yet I’m not afraid to say that despite Gene Roddenberry creating the show, he was by no means one of it’s best writers. I would even say that the less involved he was in making Star Trek, the more interesting Star Trek got. He had a lot of control over Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and the end result was just a mess. When Herve Bennett took over producing, we got Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

And what about Deep Space Nine? That was the first Star Trek show that actually tried to be different from the rest in a very specific way. The overall series was structured to be less episodic and a lot more geared towards the big picture that involved the Dominion, Bajor and the Cardassians. Even the episode “In the Pale Moonlight” is an example on how the writers were not afraid to go against Roddenberry’s utopia like image of Starfleet and their beliefs by having the lead character come to the realization that murdering a Romulan Ambassador was necessary.

And despite my love of the original series, it isn’t my favorite of all the series. So why should I give a crap if Trek09 was different from a series I don’t hold in the highest regard? There are a lot of really great episodes from the other series that really show case what only a Star Trek story can do and still deliver something great.

Maybe I didn’t like the new movie because it was different enough.

216. captain_neill - May 10, 2011

I think the best way to view Star Trek XI is as a separate entity from the rest but still part of the Trek legacy. It is a separate universe and will run parallel to the Trek we know and love.

I guess it is The best of both worlds.

It’s not the way I like my Trek but I can still enjoy this movie. Remeber I gave it around 4 out of 5

Yes I have my gripes but I can still watch the movie. It’s not a case of this movie must burn. I just enjoy it as a seaprate entity from the rest of Trek.

Best of Both Worlds.

Hope this makes sense.

217. captain_neill - May 10, 2011

Visually and in the acting it is fantastic.

The script and set design is where I think it is weakest in. But despite a weak plot, the character moments are what made the film work as a movie.

It’s debatable whether this is true Star Trek but I will agree that the movie captures the fun aspect of TOS.

218. JKP - May 10, 2011

Wow. How anyone can rank this above TWOK is amazing. I can understand folks ranking it #2 (I personally have it at #3, behind TUC and slightly ahead of TSFS & TMP), but shocked at how many folks have it at #1 ahead of TWOK.

I don’t count the TNG movies, so my list stops at 7. ;)

219. TheKeeper - May 10, 2011

It was perhaps one of the bestif not the best strictly because it was made in the mode of a real epic motion piction and not a puny TV series extention.
The writing, pacing, acting, and directing was perfect. Complaints about the film are generally lauhable hog wash statements.

220. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


Are you implying anyone who has a problem with the movie is wrong?

There is no right or wrong, it is the individual’s opinion.

221. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


Forgive my comment in 220, I meant no harm, just I feel that it is open to peronal opinion and not hogwash.

I mean I have problems with some poiints in the new movie but still admit its a fun movie which I enjoy watching.

Just not laughable hogwash if you have a different opinion.

222. Jim Williams - May 10, 2011

A posting I made in this discussion yesterday seems to have disappeared. Did I do something wrong? The posting stated the rating I gave for the 2009 film and why I gave it that rating. It was a short posting and, I thought, not disrespectful to anyone. I have only occasionally participated in the discussions on Trek Movie, althought I enjoy reading them, so perhaps I broke some rule I’m unaware of. If so, I’m sorry. Anthony, please contact me at the email given below and let me know what I did wrong.

223. The Truth - May 10, 2011

Honestly, I don’t even consider this last movie part of the Star Trek universe. The fan made movies are better Trek than that movie. Now if they called the movie “Star Adventures” and changed all the names in the movie and removed any reference to Star Trek, I would consider it an OK movie. As a Star Trek, it fails miserably.

224. The Truth - May 10, 2011

Watching this latest “Star Trek” movie is like ordering a cheesesteak and the waitress bringing you chicken croquet. You can quote me on that.

225. sean - May 10, 2011


I’m not talking about ‘The Starfleet’, I’m talking about the fleet dispatched to Vulcan. Every ship but the Enterprise was destroyed.

As for Uhura not being THE communications officer, I’d take it no more harshly than on TNG when the helm officer handled a transmission, or Data did. I believe on TOS this happened as well.

But going back to my main point, her conversation with him lasts mere seconds. She is seeking justification for the captain leaving the ship in a time of crisis. Seems perfectly acceptable to me, given the established story.

226. sean - May 10, 2011

Also, I’d like to step up and defend Jeyl, here. Just because you or I might disagree with him doesn’t mean he deserves personal insults. He’s stating his opinion and defending it. Nothing wrong with that.

227. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


Agreed. We are not drones.

These boards sometimes show the ugly side of fandom.

If I ever came across as this then I apologise but treating your level of Trek fandom on the latest movie is really silly. It iois more important how Star Trek is important to you.

As noted, I don’t share trekprincess’ view but at least she is getting into Trek as a result.

228. Aashlee - May 10, 2011

As with most everything, what one sees or doesn’t see, or what one likes or doesn’t like all comes down to this: personal preferences.

Fortunately, the new movie matched quite a few of my own personal preferences when it comes to my Trek-movie-watching experience. It seems that the U.S. and international movie-going public share many of those preferences.

Congratulations go to Mr. Orci and the rest of the “Star Trek” (2009) team for producing a flick that resonated with me and most of my Trek-loving brethren. I will gladly plop down my hard-earned credits to see your next product, as I am confident that it, too, will be the product of considerable thought, dedication, and serious mojo that “Star Trek” (2009) was. I think this franchise is in good hands.

Best wishes.

229. Buzz Cagney - May 10, 2011

Give us a break from the same old sermon, Neill ffs.

@211 you say you don’t mean to repeat yourself! pmsl Thats all you do mister. Seriously, even God took Sundays off mate. It will be similarly ok if you would like a day away from the pulpit. We all absolutely know where you stand now on Trek.

#201 and #203 well thats a conundrum! Harry say neigh and MJ say yeigh.
Whats a guy to do? Perhaps i’ll split the difference and just watch the first half!?

230. Jefferies Tuber - May 10, 2011

Re Jeyl: Please stop feeding the sexist troll. For whatever reason, the one woman with her clothes on just offends this kid to no end.

231. Red Dead Ryan - May 10, 2011

Reading Captain Neill’s posts is like being caught in some sort of spatial anomaly or time loop where you think to yourself “Haven’t I been here before?” and “How do I get out?”

At least Neill and Trekprincess aren’t bickering anymore…….so far at least….

232. Buzz Cagney - May 10, 2011

You can’t get out RDR. I’m afraid we are caught for good. Unless we eject the warp core, detonate it and hope the resultant blast doesn’t burn us to a frazzle instead of throwing us well clear. Science would suggest the former is the likely outcome, but Trek ’09 dared to challenge science and suggested the latter would win out.
Either way I think it may be worth the risk!

Way, way, way off topic, but have you guys seen this?


233. Jeyl - May 10, 2011


Thank you Sean for the kind words. :)

“As for Uhura not being THE communications officer, I’d take it no more harshly than on TNG when the helm officer handled a transmission, or Data did.”

It was pretty obvious in the later series that there was just no need for a station dedicated solely to communications. And unfortunately it plays out here as well even though there are stations for it. Remember in Balance of Terror when Kirk had Uhura tie in his station so that he could be heard throughout the entire ship? Now they have it so the helmsman can do that on his own. Unfortunate that she’s been put into a position where she doesn’t get to do anything.

234. Harry Ballz - May 10, 2011


Buzz, go ahead and watch Robin Hood. Who knows, you might enjoy it.

235. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

#233 Not correct, unless everybody is a xenolinguistics expert…

“Xenolinguistics – the study of morphology, phonology and syntax…It means you have a talented tongue.”

Did you not hear the young Kirk, who was not even in Starfleet at that stage, explain what her job was?

What you are talking about are the sound functions, ie being able to use the sound system for the captain to communicate shipwide or on subspace or to another ship or planet. My older son is in charge of his high school sound system, which allows for everyone in the auditorium to hear the principal and others say to students what they need to say, for everyone to hear the school band play, the school choir sing… That does not mean that my son can necessarily sing, play an instrument or have the knowledge and skills of his teachers. My son is the equivalent to any of the bridge crew who know how to use the communications systems if they need to, but that, in itself, does not suddenly make them experts “in Romulan – all three dialects”

Uhura’s job is to be able to do what my son does and many other qualified sound engineers who do a lot more than what my son does, always has been, but to also be someone akin to one of those translators who work at the UN. Her job was never properly explained until now in Star Trek 09. Good work, Bob Orci and co.!

236. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

OT – Has the Men’s Fitness magazine come out yet, with “my captain” in it. Anthony Pascale (?) informed us that it was to hit newsstands on 9 May. Downunder here, it is now 11 May. Anything yet? I am waiting…

It is so important that we encourage Chris Pine/Kirk, “my captain”, to be at his beautiful best in mind, body and soul for the sequel. Good for him. Good for the movie. A win-win scenario. James T Kirk would approve!

237. Buzz Cagney - May 10, 2011

I’m hoping he’s been working on filling that gold shirt out in the belly department, Keachick. He’s gona need some extra poundage on him if he’s hoping to win some fights in the next movie :-p

And at least one flying kick is very much needed. I suspect the whole first half of the movie has been written around that very thing. :-D

238. Trekprincess - May 10, 2011

No I have stopped bickering with Captain Neill it’s not worth it arguing on each other views :)

239. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

#237 No, Buzz, I think he has just the right poundage in the belly department. Chris Pine is supposed to be nearly 6’1″ and weighs about 180lbs (just under 90 kilos). I don’t know if that is too lean or not, but he looks great, so I think it is about right for him.

Besides, Chris is now 30, and unfortunately, it is often the case that as people get older, putting on extra poundage becomes easier than losing that extra weight. Anyway, he (Kirk) is more brain and cunning than brawn…:)

240. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


What would be the point of more arguments?

Since I seem to be an object of ridicule for repeating myself, I just want to apologise.

241. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


I am really sorry.

I guess I d act very protective at times over the prime universe Trek. For that I am sorry.

Am I forgiven?

242. the Quickening - May 10, 2011

My list of favorites:

1. The Wrath of Khan – (A thematic masterpiece!)

2. First Contact – (Action-packed and suspenseful!)

3. The Undiscovered Country – (Wonderful storytelling!)

4. The Voyage Home – (Great fun and entertaining!)

5. The Search for Spock – (Nice character study!)

6. Nemesis – (Underrated film emphasizing characterization and subtext!)

7. The Motion Picture – (The motionless picture!)

8. Star Trek 09 – (Adolescent & shallow, with way too much coincidence, plot holes, story contrivances / errors!)

9. Insurrection – (Made for TV triviality!)

10. Generations – (Made for TV triviality with a terrible concept–The Nexus!)

11. The Final Frontier (The absolute worst!)

243. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


You’re top 5 is same as mine.

Is your position for TMP based on Theatrical cut or Director;s Cut?

244. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

Just to confirm that “my captain” allows brain to triumph, in a genuine “kick ass” kind of way –



245. the Quickening - May 10, 2011


Wow. That is interesting. I guess to a degree we see things with the same evil eye. lol.

I feel both the theatrical and director’s cut of TMP suffer from the same problem, so it doesn’t matter which version I’m judging. I like the film, and find it far and away the only TREK movie that actually looks like a film–including Abrams’ effort. (Of course both movies have the advantage of Paramount actually spending money on them, but in the end telling a good story wins out over the amount of funds being spent.)

I just think both versions of TMP suffer from too much editorializing rather than storytelling; a lack of creative editing; and stiff performances. Surprisingly, the pacing of TMP doesn’t bother me at all.

246. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

“8. Star Trek 09 – (Adolescent & shallow, with way too much coincidence, plot holes, story contrivances / errors!)”

Gosh, you should see all the “adolescent and shallow” video tapes and DVDs I have in a tall white bookcase next to me, including Star Trek (2 DVD set). Not sure where to start…:)

The words “plot holes” kept coming up, especially on the IMDb Star Trek 2009 board, to the point where I started a thread asking just what a plot hole is, because of all the confusion. Wikipedia explanations were given, along with further explanation from an English poster who had majored in English at a British university. The conclusion that people came to was that there were no plot holes in Star Trek 09 (except for perhaps one small one?).

Really, this does not surprise me as the movie was written by professional writers who presumably know the basic principles that apply to (screen) play writing. The other aspect to note is that at least two of the actors have bachelor degrees in English from Berkeley University, San Francisco, namely Chris Pine and John Cho. Surely, if something in the script stood out like a sore thumb, then there are well educated people who could query that aspect of the script.

The problem is that the term “plot hole”, once mentioned, has been bandied all around the internet and often used by people who have no idea what it means, but use it to criticise an aspect of the movie they simply do not understand. So much for Star Trek 09 being “dumbed down”.

Coincidence? Ever heard of synchronicity?

247. Jeyl - May 10, 2011

@235: “Uhura’s job is to be able to do what my son does and many other qualified sound engineers who do a lot more than what my son does, always has been, but to also be someone akin to one of those translators who work at the UN.”

And if your son’s job was written like Trek09, every one at the United Nations would be speaking english all on their own. Brilliant, no?

248. Vultan - May 10, 2011

Plot hole is a term that’s used [and misused] quite a bit, but I think it’s basically any part of a story that leaves an obvious question to the audience that is never fully answered in a believable, organic way. That being said, I don’t think Trek ’09 had such glaring plot holes. Well, there was nothing that made me roll my eyes in disgust—not in that department anyway.

My dislike for the movie stems from it’s oh-so-obvious and typical studio packaging, saying LOUDLY—“This isn’t your father’s Trek! Look, we have bloody fight scenes! Uhura’s walking around in her bra! Scotty has a funny little sidekick! Sure, it’s basically the same old evil alien with a superweapon out to destroy Earth, but look at all the lens flares! C’mon, younger demographic, Paramount needs your (parent’s) money! Beam on down!!!”

But hey, that’s entertainment. Take old show from freezer. Reheat. Remake. Reboot. Repackage. Pass the popcorn.

249. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

Jeyl – your comment is unbelievably stupid. Trek 09 was not written like my son’s job.

Do you know what the universal translator is supposed to do? Do you know what happens at the UN?

Representatives sit with ear pieces and whoever gets up to speak in his or her own language, a translator will be automatically translating what is being said, if the representative’s own language is not the one being spoken by the speaker. All the translators for the all the various languages represented there would all be translating simultaneously into all the different languages. I don’t know the details of how it all works, but I can see how some of it would work.

However, there would be other people, sound engineers, responsible for seeing that ear pieces worked properly and that the sound equipment in general was OK. They would not be translators. However, Uhura was also a translator. In fact, that was her main focus, with seeing to the sound or communications equipment a lesser task, because there were other people who could sort out most problems, if or when they had to.

The real question is – how does the universal translator of the Star Trek world work? Nothing like it exists at present…

Anyone care to hypothesise?

250. Jack - May 10, 2011

249. Howdy, Rose. How do you know Uhura was a translator?

On grouchy days like today, I get a little frustrated by the extremes on this site, it’s like bloody American politics. People either defend the movie and it’s “professionally trained” writers to the death with all sorts of conjecture about their reasons for doing things the way they did. Or else it’s completely demonizing the writers (blah blah, Star Wars, blah, Transformers II, pandering, blah Roddenberry’s Vision, blah). Yeesh.

We all want a good movie next time.

And, Jeyl, seriously, when you say Trek 09 was targeted to teenagers, well, what’s that based on? A particular scene in the movie? Are you saying the Spock/Uhura scenes were all Twilighty? I wish people would specify when they say things like “the storyline was weak.”

251. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 10, 2011

#244 –

Hey… look at that! … Keachick seems entangled in nonsense momentum created by Jeyl … but thank God she is not lost! … she asked for help from Tremor Brothers … LOL
Keachick hey… CP said that he do not believed he had to be so bad with Ben Affleck … LOL… that scene is great!

And I saw nothing about Men’s Fitness magazine yet… but I love him as Darwin Tremor… +LOL

:-) :-)

252. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 10, 2011

#244 – Keachick

I wonder… like him no laughed the entire brain out to do this scene? … +++LOL

:-) :-)

253. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

How could Uhura not be a translator? Bizarro. Communication is about…well, talking, writing, being able to hear and read, understand and be understood.

E Ihowa Atua,
O nga iwi matou ra
Ata whakarongona;
Me aroha noa
Kia hua ko te pai;
Kia tau to atawhai;
Manaakitia mai

Tona mana kia tü!
Tona kaha kia ü;
Tona rongo hei pakü
Ki te ao katoa
Aua rawa nga whawhai
Nga tutü a tata mai;
Kia tupu nui ai

Waiho tona takiwa
Ko te ao marama;
Kia whiti tona ra
Taiawhio noa.
Ko te hae me te ngangau
Meinga kia kore kau;
Waiho i te rongo mau

Tona pai me toitü
Tika rawa, ponu pü;
Tona noho, tana tü;
Iwi no Ihowa.
Kaua mona whakama;
Kia hau te ingoa;
Kia tü hei tauira;

Comprendez-vous, non? oui?

254. Red Dead Ryan - May 10, 2011


I say we take the chance and detonate the core. It may be our last hope!

By the way, I watched the video you posted. Guess it’s fitting, seeing as how this thread has “gone to the dogs”!

255. Red Dead Ryan - May 10, 2011


I assume that is Maori…..or Hawaiian….or Tahitian?

Hakuna Matata?

256. I'm Cherokee Jack - May 10, 2011

These new Trek vs. old Trek debates are the Energizer bunnies of debates;they just keep going and going and going….

257. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

Yes, you are right, Dee. I do need the Tremor brothers right about now, along with that *awesome* music. Especially that kick-ass “weed” called Darwin. The other are too busy grabbing each other’s asses…LOL

(There was a rumour that Ben Affleck almost pissed himself, literally, during that scene, trying not to laugh. He had to play dead…LOL++++)

I just thought I would post something that was definitely not shallow, nor adolescent without any over-the-top grab-ass violence, with people having bad teeth and bad hair days…:)

258. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

#254 – “Guess it’s fitting, seeing as how this thread has “gone to the dogs”!”

Yes. See what happens when the producers keep us waiting too long for the Trek sequel. Woof! Woof! We are left with drooling over film of the Darwin armpit maneuver! Lol.

Hakuna Matata: African for “no worries”?

OK, Jack and Jeyl – what language is it in post no. 253? Any idea of meaning?

259. Jack - May 10, 2011

Maori. I have the Internet too. And I wasn’t bashing Uhura. She’s a xeno-linguist, she may speak multiple languages but she’s never been shown to be a translator. It seems like a demotion to me. But maybe she is. More likely, but still speculation based on what we’ve seen over the years, is that she works on programming the universal translators and deciphering codes, if anything. But I don’t know. Like I said above, I don’t want to see the character as a Hoshi Sato magical translator, becoming fluent in alien languages in hours in order to move the plot along.

I just get frustrated with people just making stuff up and with bizarre arguments on here, like saying there can’t be plot holes because the actors
went to college.

260. Buzz Cagney - May 10, 2011

#248 you said all of that as if it was a bad thing, Vults! lol

#254 I’ve hit the Eject button- have you got a box of matches? :-D

#244 Never seen that before. To be quite honest I wish I hadn’t seen it still. How disturbing. Gosh, thanks for sharing.
And to your earlier point Pine may well look svelte and fit, but he won’t look like Kirk unless there is a bit of belly on display. Just a bit- not too much.

261. Basement Blogger - May 10, 2011

This is how I define Star Trek 2009’s pandering to the teenage demographic. (Jack @ 213) First, summer tentpole movies are usually designed to appeal to the teenage demographic. (NPR story. Link below.) I mean you’re not going to see a movie like “The King’s Speech” open in the summer. That’s because Hollywood can depend on one demographic to go and fill the theaters in the summer. Teenagers.

Then let’s take a look at the attitude of the filmmakers towards Star Trek and what they were trying to do with the film . Director J.J. Abrams viewed Star Trek through Galaxy Quest (2009), a parody. He also wanted to inject Star Wars into Star Trek. (Enterainment Weekly, 10-24-08, pg. 28-29) So we’re talking about a director, and I say an excellent director, who did not view Star Trek as intelligent science fiction . Abrams also said this about his film, “WE WEREN’T MAKING A MOVIE FOR FANS OF STAR TREK. WE WERE MAKING A MOVIE FOR FANS OF MOVIES.” Id. at 31. Chris Pine said this, “Exploring grand social issues can wait till the next movie, The goal this time was to make a Star Trek that wasn’t alienating to nonfans. WE MAINLY WANTED IT TO BE ACCESSIBLE.” (Entertainment Weekly, May 8-09 pg. 32)

So, the movie was not made for fans of Star Trek, at least that’s what J.J. Abrams said. And as you know Star Trek was known for its intelligence. Issac Asimov was a fan. Instead Paramount wanted to make sure that none of that talky-gooey stuff of old Star Trek was part of this movie. See the ad, “This is not your father’s Star Trek.” This movie wasn’t as intelligent as “The City on the Edge of Forever”, “The Doomsday Machine” or even the other parallel universe story, “Mirror Mirror.’

Here are some specifics why I think this movie was made to appeal to teenagers. Pacing. The movie never breathes. For example, after the powerful opening, we get a scene where young Kirk steals a car and drives it over a cliff. And to pound the idea, this ain’t your father’s Star Trek it’s all done to the loud music of the Beastie Boys. While flipping the scenes with Vulcan scenes would have evened out the pacing, this pacing is designed to keep the teenagers in the seats.

Let’s talk about the dialogue of the movie. There’s a lot of screaming in this movie. Arguments overlap and no, it’s not a Robert Altman thing.. There’s a definite fear of “midi-chlorians.’ See Star Wars: Phantom Menance. I mean the concept of a parallel universe is thrown away by two words, ” alternate reality.” The scene between Spock Prime and Kirk could have been longer. I mean Kirk could have asked Spock Prime about what kind of man he was in the prime universe, and his destiny etc.. But instead, the movie seems to worry that we might linger too much. Abrams said this of Star Trek, “I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE TALKY.” Id. at. 30. And his Fringe isn’t? I mean that it in a good way. But I dgress.

What about the youth of the cast? Well the story doesn’t take place when Kirk is thirty something. We see Kirk in Iowa, probably in his early twenties maybe even in his late teens. (Nineteen?) He finishes the Academy, I think in three years and becomes Captain after one mission. Wow, kids you can become captain of a starship. Of course, there’s the Spock-Uhura romance. There was this little teenage trilogy called Twilight. Oh and it made a bunch of bucks. So we have two young kids, Spock and Uhura and they’re in love. Um, sorry Spock didn’t mean to insult you.

Look, I like Star Trek 2009.; I saw it three times at the theater and own the DVD. It’s a well made film. For the next one, I want to see Star Trek. And that doesn’t mean it has to be boring. Gene Roddenberry while defeinding “The Cage”, wrote that Star Trek could be an accessible entertainment that could have substance. (Link) To paraphrase critic Roger Ebert’s view of Star Trek, I would like to see a Star Trek with ideas of science or philosophy. Maybe instead of injecting Star Wars, how about some glorious talky-gooey stuff like their show Fringe?

1) Summer movies are for teenagers, TV is for adults

2) Gene Roddenberry defends The Cage

262. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - May 10, 2011

It might only be because I’m a new, young, inexperienced Trekkie who appreciated the lens flares and didn’t notice the brewery that was engineering, but I ranked the 2009 movie at #10.

TWOK was an awesome movie, don’t get me wrong, but out of every single Trek movie with the original characters in it, the reboot is the only one I can watch repeatedly without getting sick of it after a while. “Wrath of Khan” is the best movie with the original cast in it, but I enjoyed the reboot much more.

But hey, that’s just me. And I am probably the only one.

263. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


Many professional writers have plot holes in their scripts. I would say 98% of movies would have plot holes if you really think about them.

Even the episodes and some of my favourite movies would have plot holes. Does it ruin the film? If they are not noticeable the first time you watch something then it is not, other times a plot hole is required due to dramatic licence.

264. captain_neill - May 10, 2011

My comment in 263 is Not an attack as I love Star Trek XI but just a feeling about movies in general

265. captain_neill - May 10, 2011


No you’re not. That’s your feeling and I respect that. I can never get tired of any of the movies, even the weaker ones.

I guess if you are new to the franchise then the new movie will have more appeal but I guess to this older fan (God I am only 26) I feel Wrath of Khan is stronger as a story.

Neither of us is right or wrong. We each have our own opinions. Growing up with Star Trek the past 20 years that despite being a good fun movie the changes made still don’t work for me but then it still captured the fun of TOS even if it had a more Star Wars vibe.

Perhaps I just need to leave the hard core Trekkie at home when next one comes along and just enjoy it as a movie goer. LOL :)

266. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 10, 2011

“And to your earlier point Pine may well look svelte and fit, but he won’t look like Kirk unless there is a bit of belly on display. Just a bit- not too much.

You’re welcome, Buzz! The movie, Smokin’ Aces, was made in 2006 and I think Pine has filled out a little since then.


He does not seem to like a lot of sunlight, which is why he is rarely seen in photos without sunglasses when he is outside. I think there is enough solid belly muscle on Chris Pine.

267. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 11, 2011

#261 Yet many of the people who enjoy Star Trek 09 are not teenagers.
Some are bringing up teenagers! I saw people of all ages at the movie when I saw it. That is what “accessible” means.

If you paid attention to the movie, it was obvious how old Kirk was when he joined Starfleet, 22 years old. He was 25 when Spock was caught by Nero. He was due to graduate from the Academy – “Four years? I’ll do it in three.” and he did.

Jack – just because we don’t see or hear Uhura speak multiple languages or do code or input knowledge/understanding of a (new) language does not mean she does not do it. It is not one of those “kick-ass, spectacular” jobs. Neither is washing the dishes but you would certainly notice if nobody bothered to wash them and just kept leaving them…

268. captain_neill - May 11, 2011


I think teenage audience but its as Anthony said in the report I think things were simplified to appeal to a mainstream audience who do not understand Star Trek. hence the Stardate system being simplified to the point that a Stardate is actually the year. Less to hardly any technobabble and more emphasis on action than on story in places. I perhaps used the harsher term of “dumbed down” to explain the simplification of things. But essentially I meant the same as Anthony points out in his article.

These are conventions of the Summer blockbuster and although not my preferred way to have Star Trek I understand that it was necessary to go in this direction to keep Trek alive.

In regards to Prime Uhura I like to think she has though abilities, and we just didn’t see all that previously.

269. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 11, 2011

Yes, Jack, it is Maori. In fact it is the Maori version of the National Anthem of NZ. Usually only the first verse is sung in Maori and then the first two verses of the English version are sung. The Maori version has a lovely sound, very nice to sing. The Maori version is not an exact translation of the English version, which is a hymn. I do not know what the translation because I know very little Maori, however my father-in-law is a fluent Maori speaker and reader and he would know its translation. BTW, my immediate family are all NZ Pakeha Europeans of UK descent.

Perhaps Bob Orci and co need to write a scene showing Uhura doing her job of learning another language, working out its phonetics so it could be written down for humans, who would presumably all know English, along with their own mother-tongue, if it is not English, have her trying to pronounce the new sounds she hears, practise saying short phrases in order to be understood by an alien etc etc. Now consider the yawn factor when it comes to any audience watching this process…

270. Basement Blogger - May 11, 2011

Keachick, I’m not a teenager and I liked Star Trek 2009 but it wasn’t made for you or me. As I quoted the director of the film himself, “We weren’t making a movie for fans of Star Trek.” EW. 10-24-08, pg. 31. The problem when your goal in making Star Trek is to make it accessible and not to appeal to fans of Star Trek is that you cater to lowest common denominator. Summer tentpole movies are not designed to appeal to your intellect. (Exceptions lie with Chris Nolan’s works. Batman and Inception.) Teenagers are the summer audience.

Yet Star Trek stands for great science fiction. Leoanard Nimoy says it over and over again. Star Trek had entertainment, emotional uplift and was provacative. (Link) I use the terms, adventure, heart and intelligence. Star Trek must aim for what makes it great ; the things that science fiction writer Issac Asimov loved about Star Trek.

Listen to Nimoy at 5:33 of the video attached to this story.

271. Basement Blogger - May 11, 2011

I forgot to credit the writers for getting Chekov’s age right in our discussion of whether Trek 2009 was designed to primarily appeal to teenagers. I could have used Chekov as proof that it was designed to appeal to teenagers since Chekov was seventeen. But this is actually canon, at least canon in the prime universe.

In Star Trek Generations, Chekov says to Kirk when they meet recent Starfleet graduate Demora Sulu, “How could Sulu have a kid when he’s gay?” Oops. I keeed. I leeed. Chekov really muses, “Were we ever that young?” Kirk replies, “You were younger.”

272. captain_neill - May 11, 2011

I agree with Basement Blogger the film was not made soley for teenagers but it was made for a mainstream audience in general rather than us hard core fans.

A teenage audience only makes up 40% off the audience.


By reading the Trek timeline they actually made Chekov 4 years older in thei universe, being 17 in the new movie means he was born in 2241 but given the fact in Who Mourns For Adonais? he states he is 22 which in the timeline is 2267 and therefore meant Chekov was born in 2245.

But like in TOS the new movie version was prob designed to appeal to the younger kids in the audience.

273. captain_neill - May 11, 2011


I will try and not repeat myself anymore. I think we know where each other stands in regards to the new movie.

I should be focusing on the stuff I love rather than the points in the movie that I did not agree with. It’s the only way I can really dig the new movie.

So you have my apologies of being a pain.

I apologise to everyone.

274. ac - May 11, 2011

i would say 4th. behind wrath of khan, undiscovered country, and first contact.

275. DJones - May 11, 2011

Hello All,

I must say as a Star Trek fan I really enjoyed the latest movie and its the best one made yet.

Every motion picture has been good in its own way and as I read the messages on this page its fair to say that too many people get really worked up about all this Star Trek universe purist stuff.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the writers need to carefully craft how they reinvent this huge and amazing franchise without killing what we all love about Star Trek, however, just enjoy it for what it is and focus on the really cool stuff that got you interested in it in the first instance.

I think bringing the old characters back with a modern twist, some light humour and serious intergalacitc action is awesome!

Well done JJ

276. Aashlee - May 11, 2011

@275 Amen, DJones, amen…!

277. Trekprincess - May 11, 2011

Captain Neill this conversation is going round and round in circles why don’t you focus on the good then the bad :)

278. captain_neill - May 11, 2011

That was I was sying in my last post.

I should be focusing on the good stuff.

Please I don’t want to argue with you again.

279. captain_neill - May 11, 2011


my last post was an apology, do you accept?

280. Trekprincess - May 11, 2011

Off course I accept your apology :):)

281. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - May 11, 2011

How old is the youngest person on this message board? Did you enjoy the movie?

282. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 11, 2011

OMG!!! … and who does not need a good translator sometimes? … I NEED!!! … LOL

… and is it possible to be a “passionate Trekkie”, without having a teenage heart a little?? … a bit??? …+LOL

:-) :-)

283. sean - May 11, 2011


Actually, this Chekov is older than Prime Chekov! By 4 years, if my math is correct.

Chekov says he’s 22 in 2267, which puts his original birth year in 2245. This Chekov is 17 in 2258, which puts his birth year in 2241.

284. captain_neill - May 11, 2011


That was what I was commenting on in 272.

285. 8472 - May 11, 2011

I still think Chris Hemsworth should have been Captain Kirk, and I don’t mean the one that dies in the beginning of the movie. I still don’t like Chris Pine’s Kirk. At all.

286. Buzz Cagney - May 11, 2011

#266 but its not muscle we need to see on Kirk. Its good old ‘who ate all the pies’ flab we want. Indeed I demand it!

If memory serves wasn’t it Smokin Aces made JJ look to Pine for Kirk?
I do believe it was.

287. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 11, 2011

I have not seen much of Chris Hemsworth’s work, but I do think that Chris Pine is the better actor to play James Kirk. I posted a scene from Smokin’ Aces with Chris Pine as Darwin Tremor from youtube to show Pine’s versatility as an actor. The same year Chris did Smokin’ Aces, he also made Blind Dating and Just My Luck, both characters lovable and sweet. Darwin Tremor was unrecognisable at first. I find Chris Hemsworth, Sam Worthington and others to be good actors, but a little bland somehow, compared with Chris Pine. James T Kirk is anything but bland.

The props needed to play Darwin were non-existent. Someone had to do a bit of a whack job with the hair cutters, paint on silver-grey paint (or whatever it is they use) on his teeth and Chris grow some face fuzz. Chris only needed to wear his old jeans and teeshirt. With this, by using his voice and body language, he is now his Darwin Tremor, one crazy, really badass dude who had big badboy brothers to do all the brawn work.

JJ Abrams and the casting team were looking for this kind of versatility in an actor who got to play James Kirk. Chris Pine has it. I’m not so sure about Chris Hemsworth though – different energy, good – but not James T Kirk.

288. Keachick (rose pinenut) - May 11, 2011

#286 – “but its not muscle we need to see on Kirk. Its good old ‘who ate all the pies’ flab we want. Indeed I demand it!”

Yes, but then you would get MJ started… not only about the fat Shat, but also about the Pine girth…:)

I read somewhere that Smokin’ Aces 1 is one of JJ Abrams’ favourite movies. I’m not sure if it is true though. I see the movie as a sort of black comedy. It sits somewhere in that genre. It has you laughing and seriously cringing at the same time.

What was this thread about again?

289. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 11, 2011

Again …I already said this before … producers must have had good reasons for choosing Chris Pine to play Kirk… as far as I know Chris Hemsworth could not convince them otherwise… since he also auditioned for the role!


:-) :-)

290. gingerly - May 11, 2011

Khan still wins, but Trek 09 is the most rewatchable fun.

291. Stanky McFibberich - May 11, 2011

Still bad.

292. Harry Ballz - May 11, 2011

Stanky! My old friend! You’re still alive??!!

293. captain_neill - May 12, 2011


I have to admit I was dreading Chris Pine as Kirk when he said he was going to take inspiration from Harrison Ford as Han Solo rather than the legend that is Bill Shatner.

Though when I saw the film I have to admit Chris Pine was brilliant in the film. He was not the Kirk I grew up with but in the film he was good.

However, to me Captain Kirk will alwys be William Shatner. But I can still enjoy Chris Pine’s performance in the role of Alt kirk.

294. trekprincess - May 12, 2011

however to me Captain Kirk is Chris Pine hope you understand Captain Neill my personal preference and opinions

295. captain_neill - May 12, 2011


Fair enough

Just I havwe been into Star trek for 20 years and Shatner’s performance is what made Kirk a hero to me.

296. captain_neill - May 12, 2011


To me Shatner is the originator of the role. So to me Shatner IS Kirk and Chris Pine plays Kirk.

Now as my post in 293 says I thought Chris Pine was great. I guess when it comes to balancing out 1 movie with 7 movies and 79 episodes, I feel that there is no comparison. And I am a fan of the Shat as well.

But when I go on about preferring the originals please don’t take it as disrespect for the new cast, I have been a fan of Trek so long and to me those actors have become so associated as those characters to me.

That was why I was in the camp that said “You can’t recast Kirk, Spock, et all” However despite the flaws in the movie I have to say they pulled it off even though they are alternate versions.

And I got to think of this as no different than the Kirk vs Picard debate.

I hope this makes sense.

297. captain_neill - May 12, 2011

And if Pine had done an iitation of Shatner I agree that it would have been bordering on parody.But I am glad he gave nods to Shatner at times.

298. Rocket Scientist - May 12, 2011

Shatner’s performance DEFINED Kirk. Anybody else playing him will inevitably echo that performance and be compared to it.


299. Buzz Cagney - May 12, 2011

One thing I want to see Pine do is that way Kirk used to bang his fist on the buttons on his chair, or on the inter-ship communicators on the ships bulkheads.
When I see him do that he will take a big leap toward being my Kirk!
Funny little thing, I know! lol

300. Buzz Cagney - May 12, 2011

what the hell, may as well make it 300!

301. I'm Cherokee Jack - May 12, 2011

here’s hoping I’m the 300th post.

302. I'm Cherokee Jack - May 12, 2011


303. Buzz Cagney - May 12, 2011

lol. go for 303 Jack…….

304. Buzz Cagney - May 12, 2011

i’ll make it easy for you. You can have 305………….

305. Buzz Cagney - May 12, 2011

too slow!

306. Buzz Cagney - May 12, 2011

white man still stomping on your hunting grounds buddy!

307. 1701A2E - May 12, 2011

@23 Jeyl

Uhura in ST09 is a key “conduit” for the audience as we see a lot of Spock and Kirk through her expressions, from the Simulation cheat (“oh boy”) to Spock’s emotion after Volcan planet destruction (“sympathy’), to destroying Narada and escaping the black hole (“approval”).

I wrote on another board that I would love to see a situation where multiple ships are involved, and Uhura ended up assuming command of one of the starships in the fleet acting as “Captain” and go to battle with Kirk (and Spock perhaps on yet another ship). That would be awesome.

308. Col.Woof - May 12, 2011

First Star Trek is about number 6. The movie before it which alot of people dislike I really enjoyed it. Nemesis was very good to me.

309. Cpt Kick - May 13, 2011

The one thing that I think everyone has to remember about this is that Star Trek’s original purpose was about the unknown. You never knew what was going to be the next step and alot of the purpose was all the captains flying by the seats of there pants. It is unfair to judge in ways that when you compare the different movies together that the scenerios would be the same. It’s about a day in the life of the unknown. You might have somehting planned for day but things always change. With regards to my thoughts on the movies or shows, everyone has tried to make the best of what Roddenberry has started for us. To out down any effort in my eyes is a hit against the legecy which he has built for everyone.

Live long and enjoy life!

310. Iva - May 17, 2011

“”””307. 1701A2E – May 12, 2011

Uhura in ST09 is a key “conduit” for the audience as we see a lot of Spock and Kirk through her expressions, from the Simulation cheat (”oh boy”) to Spock’s emotion after Volcan planet destruction (”sympathy’), to destroying Narada and escaping the black hole (”approval”).””””””””

Let me just point out a few parts of this post.

“key conduit for the audience” “we see a lot of Spock and Kirk through her expressions”
”oh boy” ”sympathy’ ”approval”

This “key conduit” enables the audience to “see a lot”.
Oh, boy/sympathy/approval. A key for understanding? A lot?

Are you trying to say that without her flaring her nostrils throughout the movie, the audience wouldn’t have been able to comprehend that Kirk is getting court-martialed for cheating,
or that Spock is choking him all over the bridge over what happened, or that they survived?

Wow, just what were you watching in that cinema?

311. FallenLord77 - May 18, 2011

Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country and First Contact…. The older movies are the best, no one can beat Deforrest Kelley, Leneord Nemoy and Bill Shatner….but i grew up watching Patrick Stewart and Michael Dorn who by the way has done more star trek then anybody. No one gives Generations the credit it deserves. and Nemesis is way better then insurrection…insurrection went way off base for a motion picture. that should have been a 2 hour episode for TNG and no one would have cared….As much as i like the new star trek its hard to get a hold of it…i dont find myself laughing at and or enjoying the characters because i havent watched them and grown with them……Which leads me to the question….when is star trek coming back to television? Enterprise was a great show but starting falling off to me atleast…Going back in time to do everything really gets annoiying….

312. skyjedi - May 19, 2011

A happen to agree with Ebert who gave it half a star less than star trek V, which was a bad movie but felt like star trek.

Whereas the JJ flick was just a sleek action flick movie of the week. Overpriced cgi affair.

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