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William Shatner Arm Wrestles Chris Pine In “Captains” Doc + Shatner Nominated For TCA Award & Guest Starring On Psych June 13, 2011

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When William Shatner’s The Captains documentary airs next month, fans will get to see Shatner and Chris Pine (aka the two Captains Kirk) arm-wrestle. More on that below, plus news on Shatner being nominated for yet another lifetime achievement award and landing a guest spot on Psych.


Shatner arm-wrestles with Chris Pine in "Captains" Doc

For the last year William Shatner has been directing a new documentary called "The Captains," where he sits down with all of Star Trek’s TV captains (Patrick Stewart, Kate Mulgrew, Avery Brooks and Scott Bakula) as well as Star Trek’s new Kirk Chris Pine. The doc comes out next month and Shatner offered Canoe.ca a spoiler on his Pine interview saying:

He’s shy. So the way I started the interview, I put out a table and chairs outside the Paramount gates, and arm-wrestled with him. That was the beginning of my interview with him. I think it broke the ice, that’s for sure.

William Shatner’s "The Captains" premieres on the EPIX Channel on July 21st, along with a "Shatnerpalooza" of Shatner-related programming. And if you are not a subscriber of EPIX, you will be able to watch the documentary for free online at epixhd.com.

TrekMovie will have more details on The Captains on EPIX coming up, so stay tuned.

Pine and Shatner to face off in "The Captains"

Shatner nominated for TCA Award + guest spot on Psych

In other Shatner news, the veteran actor/producer/director/writer has been nominated for the Career Achievement Award by the Television Critics Association. The award is for those who have "influenced television through their work on the small screen." In addition to Shatner, this year’s nominees are Steven Bochco (“Hill Street Blues”), NBC sports executive Dick Ebersol, late-night talk show host David Letterman (“Late Show David Letterman Show”), and actress Cloris Leachman (“The Mary Tyler Moore Show”) and talk show host/network executive Oprah Winfrey (“The Oprah Winfrey Show”). The TCA Awards will be held August 6th. More details at tvcritics.org.

And one final bit of Shatner news has Bill returning to TV in a guest spot on the USA comedy procedural Psych. Entertainment Weekly is reporting that Shatner will appear in the upcoming sixth season playing the estranged father of Detective Juliet O’Hara (Maggie Lawson). The character is described as “a charming con man who wants to mend his broken relationship with his daughter. But when the opportunity to pull off a dream con is presented to him, his decision to stay on the right side of the law becomes more complicated.”



1. Christopher Roberts - June 13, 2011

Archer came first! (I kid – – I kid.)

Hope this reaches British shores too.

2. VulcanFilmCritic - June 13, 2011

Not taking anything away from Mr. Shatner but, if anyone should be nominated for a lifetime achievement award it should be Leonard Nimoy. His performance as Spock was the most influential of the 20th Century. The present looks the way it does because of “Star Trek” and his was the pivotal role on that show. Also any movie which has been made from a TV show owes its existence to “Star Trek,” and all of the movies (let’s face it) were about Spock.
I just don’t see enough respect being paid to this man.

3. NuFan - June 13, 2011

Was Pine nice enough to let the old guy win?

4. Harry Ballz - June 13, 2011

Trust the Shat to put Pine in a no-win situation. If Pine easily beats Shatner, the kid comes off looking uncaring and callous to the elderly. If Pine allows the Shat to win (the only way Shat WOULD win), then Pine looks weak.

What a pr*ck move.

5. Red Dead Ryan - June 13, 2011


Oh, c’mon Harry! I’m sure they were just fooling around! No need to attack Shatner.

6. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 13, 2011

I’m dying to see it… I loved the pictures you guys chose for the article! ….

I’d love to see CP commenting this meeting in an interview… will be awesome!

:-) :-)

7. CaptainDonovin - June 13, 2011

Oh yes, Shat on Psych. I love this show, his role sounds good.

8. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - June 13, 2011

This should be pretty good. The Shat is simply Shateriffic. A Great Actor and good man.

9. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 13, 2011

Yes… CP always said he is a shy guy… but Mr. Shatner can not be easy for anyone, I guess … I wonder what CP was feeling about this meeting… after all the pressure to replace “the legend”… and Mr. Shatner was never
effusively supportive with the Young Kirk, after all …. LOL

:-) :-)

10. OLLEY OLLEY OLLEY - June 13, 2011

The Toupee wins, its a no brainer.

11. Jonboc - June 13, 2011

Harry always has a hate-on for Shat…him and MJ both…it’s come to be expected around these parts. When an article features Shatner, the tired barbs are sure to follow. The Shat kicked their puppy when they were kids or some such nonsense, who knows.

Can’t wait to see the documentary, however. It sounds like it’s going to be a lot of fun!

12. Vultan - June 13, 2011

Apparently, Shatner was singing his version of “O Canada” while arm-wrestling Pine—and kicking a puppy at the same time!

What a terrible, terrible man.

13. BeatleJWOL - June 13, 2011

Neither of them believe in the no-win scenario, Mr. Ballz. They’ll be fine. :)

14. 12YearOldTrekker - June 13, 2011

#13 Funny thing, Pine found himself in a no-win scenario. But don’t worry, I’m big on the Shat…

15. 12YearOldTrekker - June 13, 2011

and the Pine.

16. N - June 13, 2011

not a shat fan but this could be an interesting documentary, hope we get it in England (or online) too

17. kmart - June 13, 2011

TWOK was certainly not about Spock. That is a Kirk movie through and through.

Shat’s Kirk (as written by Coon, and in some pre-Coon shows) IS Trek. Before Meyer messed him over in TUC, his Kirk was also pretty damned interesting. By comparison, Spock is important mainly as a reflection element like McCoy (though less interesting), and as visual iconography for the series.

18. Magic_Al - June 13, 2011

If I was editing The Captains maybe I’d save the arm wrestling bit for the end, and just as the match begins, freeze it so you don’t find out who won, like the end of Rocky III.

19. Tom - June 13, 2011

come on JJ, Bob

Get the Shat with the Pine in the next movie. There have been some successful cameos this summer…

20. MJ - June 13, 2011

@4: “Trust the Shat to put Pine in a no-win situation. If Pine easily beats Shatner, the kid comes off looking uncaring and callous to the elderly. If Pine allows the Shat to win (the only way Shat WOULD win), then Pine looks weak. What a pr*ck move.”


21. MJ - June 13, 2011

@11 Harry always has a hate-on for Shat…him and MJ both”

“Fortunately” though, Jonboc is always around to provide his incessant whining about how so unfair it all is, and to throw his juvenile barbs at us….”but like a poor marksman, he keeps missing the target.”

Sorry Jonboc, but Harry and I are not drinking the Kool-Aid that Shat is providing.

22. dmduncan - June 13, 2011

Kirk vs. Kirk? Ends in a draw.

23. Phil - June 13, 2011

@ 4, 5. Come on guys, we all know Shat is a big boned muscled mass of manhood….

No more close up’s though, okay?

24. MJ - June 13, 2011

@23. And on any close-ups, please, not in 1080P HD….if I want to sell red boulder fields I can see those on the Mars page at Nasa.gov.

25. trekker 5 - June 13, 2011

i can’t wait for this!! It will be awesome!! :)

26. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - June 13, 2011

Oh please…Pine doesn’t need to “let” Shatner win. Even if Pine tried his hardest, he wouldn’t be able to beat Shatner.

27. grigori - June 13, 2011

WELL, that answers that! Pine gets to be in the documentary. I love Shatner’s interviewing skills on Raw Nerve; I expect his documentary to have that little something extra. Can’t wait. (What on earth is an EPIX, though?!–you’d think it’d get a more mainstream showing!)

28. Jamie - June 13, 2011

@27, it’s like a cable channel I think? Like a special one that you have to specifically subscribe to. Which I don’t, so I shall have to watch online. I’m excited for this, though.

29. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 13, 2011

I think Shatner and Pine would be evenly matched. Both have well toned arm-wrestling muscles – note those one-armed full press ups Chris Pine was doing in the Special Features section while they were waiting for cameras or whatever.

It also looks like it will be a bearded Chris Pine we’ll be seeing in the interview (well, I hope I will get to see it, living down thisaway). Picture is a bit out of date, Anthony – you know, Dee and I do try to keep things current…

30. MJ - June 13, 2011

@29 “Both have well toned arm-wrestling muscles”

Awesome Keachick, here do you come up with this stuff?…hilarious…please keep the entertainment coming. Can’t wait to hear from you about Shat’s preparations for the 2012 Olympics in London. :-))

31. Brett Campbell - June 13, 2011

Anyone else finding it difficult to get into these articles from the main page?For several weeks now, with a number of the articles, I click on the “(more…)” link or the title of the article, and it takes several attempts to get to the main article. Sometimes I have to leave the site and come back and try again. Anyone else have the same difficulty?

Oh, and GO, SHATNER! I think he could hold his own arm-wrestling Pine, and possibly even beat him. He is no weakling at 80.

32. MJ - June 13, 2011

Google Chrome seems to work a lot better than Firefox on this site. Maybe that will help?

33. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 13, 2011

#30 MJ – Only too happy to oblige…:)

Shatner has lost quite a bit of weight in the last year or so. I have no doubt he could afford to hire a personal trainer (maybe Chris Pine can as well) and his exercise routine would surely be an overall cardiac and muscle-toning workout.

I don’t know about the Shat’s preparations for the 2012 Olympics – I think he’s left it a bit late, but who knows…

Unfortunately, it seems that the arm-wrestling took place outside the studio where they were going to film the interview(s) and he didn’t say who won, so there may be no film of it. Damn you, Shatner, you big tease…:)!

No doubt this will be become another one of those secrets these Hollywood types love to have and talk about. I guess if it’s OK for JJ Abrams to have all these secrets, then why not a Shat/Pine secret…

34. Harry Ballz - June 13, 2011


Yeah, like I had any influence over Shatner pulling the dick move.

35. Buzz Cagney - June 13, 2011

#5 thats all Harry has to offer when it come’s to Shatner.
Harry, you are starting to become a lame parody of yourself my friend. It used to be funny, now its just looking like obsessional behaviour!

36. Buzz Cagney - June 13, 2011

and MJ is just a little Harry Wannabe! Its all rather tragic really.

37. Harry Ballz - June 13, 2011

Look, let me give you a little insight into my view of Shatner. Picture it….Winter of 1973/74 in Toronto. I was driving home from a poker game when I noticed all the lights lit up at 2:30 am at a Loblaws (grocery store)in my neighbourhood. I could see they were filming a TV commercial for the chain. Knowing Shatner was the spokesman for that chain at the time, i stopped to see what was going on. Sure enough, they were filming a commercial for Loblaws and Shatner was there doing his part. I walked in and stood in the back so I wouldn’t be noticed. They kept rehearsing one take after another, with one young actor screwing up his part. I can remember it to this day…….the young actor’s part was as a store manager talking to the camera where he had to say, “this senior citizen came in today complaining how a canned ham she bought wasn’t quite right…she wasn’t looking for a refund, she was simply mentioning it to staff. Well, after work I personally dropped by her house and delivered another canned ham.” At this point Shatner steps into frame and, looking right at the camera, says, “Loblaws, where more than the price is right, but BY GOSH, the price is right!”

Well, the kid kept screwing up his lines and Shatner, instead of being understanding and supportive to a fellow actor, continuously ridiculed the kid for getting his lines wrong…..such things as , “so, you thought show biz was easy!” etc……

Disgusting! I’ve heard from numerous sources over the years that Shatner would make a habit of teasing other actors just before a take, making every attempt to throw other performers in the scene “off their game’. I guess he was doing whatever he could to appear better in comparison.

The man, by any account, is an example of the most selfish, self-absorbed actor one could ever encounter. No wonder his co-stars on TOS hated him!

38. Brett Campbell - June 13, 2011

32 – Thank you, MJ. Google Chrome is what I use.

39. MJ - June 14, 2011

@36. Buzz, I have discovered who you really are — you are Shat’s lazy and comical nephew as featured in Shat’s “Invasion Iowa,” aren’t you? Don’t wait for the translation Buzz, answer the question NOW!

40. MJ - June 14, 2011

@37. Harry, I’ll be interested in here what kind of spin the Shat aplogizers put on this one?

Harry, sometimes I think that you and I are stuck in the movie, “They Live,” and only we have the “special sunglasses” that allows us to see the Shat for what his really is, while the rest of humanity guffaws and drools over every move Shat makes.

41. AJ - June 14, 2011

Harry, if I were up at 2:30AM filming an ad for a grocery chain, the first place I’d be wanting to go is back to bed, and not waiting for a colleague who is under-performing to pull his finger out and do his job.

I literally walked into Shatner on 6th Avenue (I was reading the paper, and not looking ahead) in 1992 as he was headed into ABC News. Before I knew it, my NY Times had his signature right on top of “William Jefferson Clinton elected 42nd President of the United States.” In that quick exchange, he was quite gracious, even though I was most likely drooling in utter disbelief at the time.

While no one would call Shatner modest, or even say he has ’empathy’ for his colleagues, the guy has taken quite a few hits in life, including having to bury one of his wives, and has come storming back. At 80, he comes off as a smarmy, egotistical semi-comedian very much aware of his pulpy sci-fi cred playing a legend, and happens to own a bunch of Emmys for good measure.

Years ago, I went to sleep-away camp with Sam Robards, Jr., son of Sam Robards and Lauren Bacall. Bacall came up to Maine to pay a visit, and she was an absolute bitch on wheels, yelling at the camp’s director that she insisted on seeing her son right away. As he endured that verbal abuse, he was actually escorting her to her son’s cabin (probably with a clenched fist behind his back). That event alone does not define my opinion of Ms. Bacall. Maybe, like Shatner at 2:30AM outside a grocery store, after the one-hour flight on a tiny airplane, and the 90 minute drive through podunk to the camp, she was just tired and annoyed. Happens to the best of us.

42. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 14, 2011

One thing to bear in mind: One Robert Pine has worked with William Shatner on at least one occasion. For some reason I feel that, if not the younger Chris, then the older Pine could put one there if it was needed and I also suspect that the Shat man is well aware of that. Of course, we would never ever know about it… This is in no way meant to discredit Chris Pine. This is just generational stuff. (Robert Pine turns 70 on 10 July 2011).

This is just a hunch on my part, of course.

43. MJ - June 14, 2011

@41. You are missing the point. Harry’s incident reinforces the detailed record of how he treated others in profession, including several Trek actors. It proves “the pattern” of the guy, to put it bluntly, being at best, a megalomaniac, and at worst, an a-hole.

You argument would be like someone saying that because “I met LeBron James, and he was nice to me” that we should then ignore the pattern of his behavior where he has show great hubris and put himself abnormally above others, even for a sports mega-star.

44. Hallbjorn - June 14, 2011

I’m looking forward to both the documentary & his guest stint on PSYCH, since it’s my favorite show on USA now…

45. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 14, 2011

#43 The thing is that I have only read that the TOS actors have told of how Shatner behaved badly. I have not been aware of other professionals referring to him in such a bad way or having had such bad experiences working with him. A lot of this bad feeling seems to have been *encouraged* by George Takei in particular.

I find this whole business curious as I get the impression that it is normal for older members of a profession, trade, workplace to treat the younger, newer workers with rudeness and disdain. It seems to be a way of testing them, their toughness, their resolve etc.

There are two scenes from two different movies (both characters played by Chris Pine incidentally) which have irked me. However, when these scenes are talked about, other posters (on other boards) have taken a different view of the same events.

1st scene – Star Trek 09 – Bar scene – the red shirted Starfleet cadets hassle Kirk (not a SF cadet) and Uhura and it ends up in a brawl. Most other posters believed that the young Kirk was a real smartass and deserved to “be kicked to the curb”, as it were, or in this case, punched in the face several times. However, from the very start, I saw the behaviour of the cadets as meddlesome and bullying, to say the least. I could not believe what I was reading. Truly.

2nd scene – Unstoppable – Will Colson (Chris Pine) presents himself to his superiors on his first day of work. He presents papers, ID etc to the guys, tells them his name and where he has been told he is to work and offers his hand… Except the older guys just stare at him disdainfully, give each other looks until finally Will asks “Is there a problem?” The answer he got was that they didn’t think they were working in a daycare centre. After a short silence, Will retorts with the notion that he didn’t think that he would be working in a resthome…

Once again, lots of people thought that Will was being a snotty upstart, whereas I thought that those older, supposedly more mature people were being antagonistic, rude and insulting – totally uncalled for.

Frankly, after seeing these two scenes, and reading the reactions since then, it seems that William Shatner’s behaviour that night in 1973/74 was not so out of keeping with how older people behave towards younger, less experienced co-workers. It seems to be almost expected.

Truly – what gives here? Have I got it wrong?

46. denny cranium - June 14, 2011

Shatner is a diva.
Harlan Ellison tells a story during the TOS first season.
Shatner came to visit him to talk about “City”
Ellison discovered Shatner was counting his lines to make sure he was in more scenes.
My brother met him at a function in Toronto.
He was treating everyone poorly.
Anyone that would wear that dead woodchuck on his head for so long-

His talent is unquestionable though.

47. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 14, 2011

The story I read was that Harlan Ellison was arguing with Gene Roddenberry about the entire premise of Star Trek and its characterisation. He wanted the captain and crew of the Enterprise to be smoking and also behaving in a generally more lowbrow decadent manner that Gene R did not want to occur within the kind of world that he had envisioned that Star Trek would show. Harlan Ellison refused to change the script to suit the style of the Star Trek that Gene R had created. There was a lot of to-ing and fro-ing. Various changes were made to the script, but Ellison still had Kirk and co smoking. Gene R finally asked William Shatner to visit Harlan Ellison at his home and Shatner reported that Ellison lost his temper with Roddenberry and Shatner and punched/physically assaulted Shatner. Shatner promptly left and told Gene it was his problem.

There are two sides to every story, but I don’t think many have heard Shatner’s side of the story. It is also well known that Ellison can be something of an arrogant a-hole, who liked to have everything his way and was not a good team player either. It was not only Roddenberry and Shatner who have had run-ins with Harlan Ellison.

I believe it was one of the other cast members who first mentioned the fact that they had noticed William Shatner counting lines. Whether it was actually because he wanted to make sure he had more than anybody else or whether this was some other cast member’s (possibly jealous/envious) assumption, I do not know. Frankly, I suspect that both answers may be correct, but frankly, I don’t think anybody knows for sure. Shatner was not necessarily very forthcoming about hows and whys of what he did or thought.

I am not saying Shatner is a saint, but then nobody else is either. One thing I have felt is the level of jealousy and envy towards Shatner is quite palpable sometimes. William Shatner is NOT James T Kirk. Even though Kirk may not harbour resentment or show a lack of professional courtesy to those who may not like him for whatever reason, does not mean that also applies to William Shatner. I am thinking of the TOS episode “Court Martial” – watched it again the other day.

It takes two to tango. It also takes two (or more) to have an argument.

“Anyone that would wear that dead woodchuck on his head for so long-

Maybe Shatner does not like being bald. Most men don’t. Why do you think there are so many products, and always have been, promising hair regrowth etc. They weren’t all developed for the sake of Shatner’s vanity. Sir Elton John does not like being bald either and he has gone to great lengths to address his problem. Nobody makes rude comments about how he looks sometimes. Enough already.

48. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 14, 2011

OT – Question to Anthony Pascale – trekmovie moderator.

I do not know where else to ask this. I am just wondering if it is now policy not to acknowledge some Trek actors’ birthdays but to acknowledge others? Zachary Quinto’s was celebrated here (2 June) but Karl Urban’s ignored (7 June). I have read some posters thinking it naff or something to note such “trivia” here, however I do not think acknowledging the birth of a (Trek) actor or other is trivial at all. The fact that we think, feel, discuss whatever about these people is because they were BORN. It is about acknowledging their past existence and contribution and wishing them yet more life and everything good that life can bring. That is in no way trivial.

Thank you for your attention. (If you must delete this, please contact me at the email address you have.)

49. Danpaine - June 14, 2011

Sometimes it’s downright embarrassing to read some of these threads….like this one. A few of you are SO bitter and hateful for no damn reason, towards a guy 99%+ of you have never even met. Do you have any idea how many actors are pretentious a**holes? Most of them.

The one saving grace is that I’m quite certain Mr. Shatner couldn’t give a rat’s ass what any of us think; his body of work stands for itself.

Some of you folks need a new hobby. Go help build a house for the homeless or something. Get some fresh air.

Very much looking forward to the documentary.

50. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 14, 2011

#33- Keachick … the most recent picture I saw of CP… his arms look great… it seems he is being working out now… and still with a beard… but you know… no papz pictures here, so… LOL

:-) :-)

51. Adam Bomb 1701 - June 14, 2011

@27 & 28 – Epix is a premium cable channel, just like HBO, Showtime, or Starz. It was born about two or three years ago, out of the frustration that the Paramount, MGM and Lions Gate suits got when Showtime, who had run their films exclusively on pay cable for years, didn’t want to pay the three studios the licensing fee they wanted. So, instead of getting money from Showtime (who, IIRC, offered the aforementioned studios some $350 million for a multi-year deal) they spent unknown millions in start-up costs for a new premium cable channel. Which was finally launched in October, 2009. To this day, the channel has lined up few cable or satellite companies to carry it; the main ones are Verizon FiOS and Dish Network. I think that the channel is a big money-draining white elephant, and I’m surprised it hasn’t folded by now.

52. Anthony Thompson - June 14, 2011

Shatner is a J-E-R-K. That’s well-established. Except for the kool-aid drinkers that pop up on every article that mentions him.

53. Shatner_Fan_Prime - June 14, 2011

#48 “The one saving grace is that I’m quite certain Mr. Shatner couldn’t give a rat’s ass what any of us think; his body of work stands for itself.”

Amen. Plus, for every actor who may have complained about Shat, there are twice as many others who enjoyed working with him. Not just his friends Nimoy and Kelley, but also the likes of Sandra Bullock, Ben Stiller, Candice Bergen, James Spader, and even the relative unknowns who appeared with him in Free Enterprise.

Oh, and Harry Ballz … come on, man. You have recounted numerous times on this site your own positive experiences meeting Shatner! You told us all he couldn’t have been nicer to you when the two of you spent some time alone just chatting. I’ve known your game for a long time, Harry … you just enjoy stirring the pot sometimes! ;-)

54. Harry Ballz - June 14, 2011



you are correct, a few months later, in early 1974, I met Shatner at the theatre where i worked and we had a very pleasant one-on-one chat for a good 10 minutes. He was cordial and friendly. However, my above post is a truthful recounting of what i observed that evening while he was filming a commercial. I guess people can behave differently day to day depending on their mood. Who knew? :>)

55. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - June 14, 2011

Hey MJ, why don’t you shut the f*c up, bitch?

56. kremz - June 14, 2011

Everybody knows Old Man Strength trumps everything else. OMS defies scientific knowledge.

57. Anthony Thompson - June 14, 2011

54. moauvian waoul

That should earn you a ban.

58. Frederick - June 14, 2011

If Bill starts to lose the arm-wrestling, he could always defeat him by a surprise scissors-kick or a full-body roll, combined with a double-handed chop to the neck. He needs to teach these moves to the kid anyway for his next movie.

59. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - June 14, 2011

56. Yeah, you’re right, and it probably will. :)

60. Silvereyes - June 14, 2011

#4 Harry

Your comments about Shatner are tainted by your obvious dislike of him. There’s nothing wrong with a friendly game of arm wrestling (or poking fun at the Canadian national anthem either, by the way). I have great respect for the man. He’s 80 years old for frak’s sake. You don’t call an 80 year old man, that has accomplished so much (whether you acknowledge it or not) and that is still so vibrant, a bloated buffoon (in one of your previous posts). Chill out.

61. Red Dead Ryan - June 14, 2011

Anyone that hates William Shatner hates “Star Trek”. Just that simple.

62. dmduncan - June 14, 2011

lol. Funny thread.

Look, I know how Shatner is…was…whatever. Ellison skewers young Bill Shatner, but the guy is still the man. There are some people who are just impossible for me to hate, and he’s one. Plus, even he knows he did a lot of crappy stuff in the old days. He’s not the same guy he was back then.

63. Basement Blogger - June 14, 2011

Sorry guys, I still like William Shatner. And here’s throwing gas on the fire, I like Rick Berman too. Is there anything in Star Trek that I don’t like? Yeah, Star Trek V and TOS episode “Spock’s Brain.” Okay, maybe I don’t hate Spock’s Brain that much. There are some funny stuff going on in Spock’s Brain.

Kara: “Brain and brain! What is brain?”

64. Lt. Bailey - June 14, 2011

Kobiashi Maru all over again…. bu the capt Kirks will know how to beat it.

65. Silvereyes - June 14, 2011

#54 Seymour, you are a man of deep feelings. Stay away from bold coffee.

66. Clinton - June 14, 2011

Should be fun. Can’t wait to see it.

67. Harry Ballz - June 14, 2011

I never said I hate William Shatner. As a matter of fact, when I was young I thought he was GREAT in TOS, but my opinion, just like the man, changed over the years.

C’est la vie!

68. Silvereyes - June 14, 2011

Harry, I said “dislike”…

69. Harry Ballz - June 14, 2011

Silvereyes, I was responding to #61.

70. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - June 14, 2011

65. Silvereyes: You sir are correct. And will do. ;)

71. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 14, 2011

Nobody has chosen to comment on my post no 47. I find that curious, given how vehement the dislike of William Shatner and his behaviour is here. So I take it that the behaviour demonstrated in those two film scenes (not the only ones either) and Shatner’s apparent attitude and behaviour towards co-workers is not normal, not the usual? Hmmm

72. dmduncan - June 14, 2011

I think Shatner HAS gotten wiser as he’s gotten older, and it clearly shows in his ability to reflect on his life and how he mistreated certain people on occasion, and it seems like he’s not taking himself too seriously these days to make up for all the days when he did the opposite.

Still, he has a problem facing his mortality, and I wish he would respect that more because he’s getting on in years; personally, I think how we face death is important — we want to go into the great beyond not being horrified and not holding on. Nimoy seems more spiritually focused than Shatner, so I think Shatner could use a little help from his friend.

73. Andy Patterson - June 14, 2011

That pic of Shatner is reminiscent of him as a younger man. I can still see him playing Kirk.

And as always, I love Shatner. Faults and all.

74. Jonboc - June 14, 2011

#52. “Shatner is a J-E-R-K. That’s well-established. Except for the kool-aid drinkers that pop up on every article that mentions him.”

… no surprise here, another from the Shat bashers club rears his head. And what, pray tell, did the evil Shatman do to you, steal your candy when you were a baby?

as far as Shat’s rep goes…with those who count…it remains solid. While his TRUE co-stars on Trek, those whom he spent the lion’s of the day with…Nimoy and Kelly…loved him to death…and while his costars on his current shows like Boston Legal and $@&! my Dad Says can’t say enough good things about the man…and while he remains in high demand on the talk show circuit because they love having him on…it’s amazing that such a vile, jerk like Shatner has the wool pulled over so many eyes.

Oh well, guess I’ll have another glass of that tasty kool-aid….it sure tastes a lot better than the quart of Hater-aid, you, MJ and Harry are passing around!

75. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 14, 2011

Anyway, who’s talking about kool-aid except those who clearly don’t like Shatner? OK, what is kool-aid and what is so wrong with it? Obviously, referring to it is a way of demeaning someone else and their opinions. Now that is not so cool or is it spelled kool?

76. Vultan - June 14, 2011


Kool-Aid is a non-alcoholic flavored drink. It is often used in reference to the Jonestown mass suicide, where those involved drank Kool-Aid (actually a Kool-Aid knockoff) laced with poison. So, a “kool-aid drinker” is someone who will blindly follow someone or an idea.

77. Basement Blogger - June 14, 2011

@ 75 Jonboc

Hey Jonboc, thank you for telling me that some theaters show 2D movies with 3D lenses. Saw Super 8 at a second theater and it was crisp and clean. Every Trekker should know about this terrible problem. I’ve researched it and film critic Ty Burr says its all about the cost of hiring a technician to open up the digital projectors. That’s why they don’t do it. Article below.

Again, thanks.

Ty Burr’s story.

78. Basement Blogger - June 14, 2011

Oops, Jonboc my post (77) refers to you at number 74. That’s assuming we’re not having that out of phase problem again.

79. Red Dead Ryan - June 14, 2011

Harry Ballz

While it may be true that you thought Shatner was cool in TOS, and the time you met him in the theatre, it is apparent to all that you clearly despise the man for allegedly being a “buffoon” and a “clown”. You implied that he was a jerk when he arm wrestled with Chris Pine. You called it a prick move on Shatner’s part, which is totally untrue. These were two guys goofing off. And there have been times when you have knocked him over his so-called weight problem. The anti-Shatner remarks have worn thin. Time to let it go, man!


Well said! Some people on this site really need to have their heads examined.

80. MJ - June 14, 2011

@79. “allegedly being a “buffoon” and a “clown” ”


81. MJ - June 14, 2011

@54: Anthony Thompson: “moauvian waoul, that should earn you a ban.”

Anthony, I hope there is no ban on Moauvian Waoul. When you lose arguments time after time, some people get frustrated and lose it and go nuclear.

I think we would all like to know who those people are and expose their petty tirades and language fits for all to see. No need to cover up his embarrassing episode — I say, no ban, no deletion of his post, and let the chips fall where there may!

82. MJ - June 14, 2011

@73. “That pic of Shatner is reminiscent of him as a younger man. I can still see him playing Kirk.”

Come on now dude — we are talking about the photo immediately above these posts, right??? You’ve got to be kidding me??? I think RDR would even agree with me that this photo of Shatner is not flattering and in know way resembles the 60’s to 80’s Trek Shatner who played Kirk???

For those of you defending Shat, at least please provide credible statements in your arguments. Statements like this one severely damage your side of the argument, calling into question the whole truth behind the pro-Shat enterprise (wow, awesome pun, MJ!).

83. Jonboc - June 14, 2011

77 Basement Blogger, no problem, thanks for the link to that interesting article…isn’t it amazing that so many theaters are cool with charging full price, no doubt hoping the masses won’t notice? if whole auditoriums full of movie-goers started demanding refunds, after watching dim, substandard movies, I bet the theater owners would sing a different tune!

84. Red Dead Ryan - June 14, 2011


“I think RDR would even agree with me that this photo of Shatner is not flattering and in know way resembles the 60’s to 80’s Trek Shatner who played Kirk???”

Sorry dude. While his appearance has changed quite a bit (mainly due to a thing called aging, get it?), he still looks great for 80. In fact, I think he looks a lot better than some people half his age.

“For those of you defending Shat, at least please provide credible statements in your arguements.”

HA! HA! THE IRONY!!! You haven’t provided any…Ha!…proof defending your side…..(snort!)…of the arguement! (Wipes tear from eye!)

Now that I’ve stopped….Heh…(Chuckle)…laughing, I’ll refer you to the post by JonBoc. #74. He explained it all perfectly.

85. MJ - June 14, 2011

@84. Disappointed in you RDR, but I do really admire yours and others devotion to Shat. It would be so easy for me to give in and just go with the flow.

BTW, the guy above didn’t say “he looks good for 80,” he said that Shat looks like his younger self and should still be playing Kirk. If you agree with that, so be it, but it strains all credibility IMHO.

“I’ll refer you to the post by JonBoc. #74. He explained it all perfectly.”

Ah, you mean the guy who takes potshots at Harry and I all the time. Yes, he is certainly entertaining!

86. Harry Ballz - June 14, 2011

Do I really have to spell out to everyone that, in life, some people may like a person while other people maybe don’t.

It’s called having an opinion. It’s subjective. Every one of us is entitled to that.

Get over it.

87. MJ - June 14, 2011

That’s OK Harry. Just keep wearing the “They Live” sunglasses, my friend.

88. Harry Ballz - June 14, 2011


you got that right, muchacho!

89. AJ - June 15, 2011

This is the one topic that always generates the most extreme emotional reactions amongst true fans. We’ve all read the tell-alls from George Takei and Jim Doohan, and we’ve all read Shatner’s “Star Trek Memories” books.

I think it’s a waste of time for us to argue about whether or not Bill Shatner is a dick. My boss is a dick, and he’s also the most generous person I’ve ever known. Maybe it’s a question of how he motivates his colleagues and co-workers.

Leonard Nimoy, who comes off as one of the most balanced individuals to ever survive a career in Hollywood, values his friendship with Shatner. Maybe it’s because Bill was the star of two films, but he was the director, and that new perspective led to a different kind of rapport between the two.

There is also the known fact that the “supporting cast” seemed to be allocated limited screen time in all the films pressing buttons, saying “Aye, sir” and “Hailing Frequencies Open” while the ‘big three’ got to actually act.

In actual fact, the reason we all argue is that Captain Kirk, as portrayed by William Shatner, is a fictitious person many of us grew up admiring or idolizing. Shatner has become ‘not-Captain Kirk-anymore” and turned into a larger star who utilizes his ego, pomposity and pulpy past as Unique Selling Points for his personal brand.

The best remedy for “I Hate William Shatner Day” is a double gin & tonic and “City on the Edge of Forever” in Hi-Def.

90. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - June 15, 2011

81. Okay MJ, if that’s how you see it. You “win.” But there is no arguement here. I was not weighing in on this discussion or any discussion. Me thinks you’re a bully, someone who’s quite impressed with himself and finds no shortage of conflict on these threads and likes to pile on. Always spoiling for a fight and then often “whines” about it. In short, always needing to be right, to be duh winning. I simply thought I’d ablidge. Yes, let it stand.

91. Geekette - June 15, 2011

Interesting the Shat anecdote. 2 30 in the morning and the guy keeps fluffing his lines? In a COMMERCIAL?

Reminds me of something that happened to me. We had a new young dancer in a show. Nice girl, but she couldn’t hack the pace of the show. We had to metaphorically “haul” her round the stage. I explained to her a couple of times that she needed to get her finger out, no good. After the show, I told our boss she had to go. Like I told him, she’s ten years younger than me, and I’m supporting her! you can’t carry dead wood. It’s hard enough when everyone pulls their weight.

Yes, show biz is real hard. The guy should be grateful to the Shat for showing him he was in the wrong business. The answer to Shat teasing you is acting his ass off stage.

92. Brett Campbell - June 15, 2011

Keachick, you rock!

93. Andy Patterson - June 15, 2011


Well, no…you misunderstand. I know he doesn’t physically look like the man he was then…but the look in his eye is something I haven’t seen in any role he’s had lately. I guess I should say, I’m reminded of the man who played Kirk and the emotions he called up to play that role. I can still see him playing it. For that matter I can still see Adam West playing and older Batman. I love my childhood heroes. What can I say. I’m loyal to those who once inspired me.

I watched Shatner flounder through his career, post Star Trek, over the years. Watched him on the game show Tattle Tales with whatever wife he was on then…and he disappointed me. As I got older I came to the conclusion that they were who they were but what they brought to their roles was still real. I cite a scene from the movie My Favorite Year….look it up…to paraphrase….what they did was important and real to me….and I’m gonna hang on to that inner child till they pry it from my dead hands. And so there…and like that.

The passage of time has made their faults and limitations very noticeable to me….I still love them in-spite of that.

I’ve noticed you don’t care for me much MJ. That’s ok. I teach public school. I deal with worse most days.

94. Red Dead Ryan - June 15, 2011


William Shatner is a living legend. He’s still going at age 80. He’s proving to everyone that age need not deter anybody. He deserves to be respected, not bashed incessantly by you and MJ!

“Get over it.”

Yes, good advice…………for both you and MJ!

95. Phil - June 15, 2011

@82. The observations on the photo remind me of the movie “Tootsie”..

Rita: I’d like to make her look a little more attractive, how far can you pull back?
Cameraman: How do you feel about Cleveland?

I thought it was funny…..

96. Harry Ballz - June 15, 2011

Ah, most here aspire to IDIC, while some don’t accomplish DIC.

97. Red Dead Ryan - June 15, 2011

Ah, some pots choose to call the kettle black, I see….

98. MJ - June 15, 2011

@90. Am I a legend in my own mind? Probably! :-) Am I a bully? Hello no? Kind of hard to be a bully on Shat given 95% of the people worship him. But thanks for the label, nevertheless. “Please sir, may I have another?” LOL

99. Harry Ballz - June 15, 2011


100. dmduncan - June 15, 2011

80 years old? Shat looks GREAT, and mentally the man doesn’t show his age at all. He doesn’t get up there and do wheezing schtick about how things used to be in the old days like an over the hill actor whose only gig is appearing on Jay Leno every so often. I mean the guy has been around forever and he still manages to keep himself relevant. That’s the best of what Kirk is.

Nothin but love to Wild Bill Shatner, baby!

101. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 15, 2011

I don’t think anybody worships Shatner. People just watch him do the Priceline commercials, game shows, %%%% My Dad Says, whatever, and they like what they hear and see. They also liked what they heard and saw when he played Captain James T Kirk. Is that a crime?

I watched another episode of “whatever” My Dad Says and I am actually surprised just how good he is in that. The truth is that at times, William Shatner plays a role brilliantly. He is unpredictable in that way.

He is also just another ordinary human being, like the rest of us and no doubt can be and has been an a-hole at times. Who hasn’t been? Be honest now.

102. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 15, 2011

#3 Yes, quite likely. Chris Pine seems to be more a team player than Bill Shatner. He appears more modest, but can also be a “diva” on a couple of occasions, according to some papz/gossip sources. Possibly it is really about Pine standing up for himself, as we all have to sometimes, even if we are “shot down” for it by know-nothing know-alls.

103. N - June 16, 2011

it’s scary everyone said my dad looks like Shatner and now (completely unrelated) people are saying I look like Chris Pine (but I can’t see it personally)

104. Phil - June 17, 2011

@103. Funny, I don’t recall saying that….. :-)

105. Iowagirl - June 17, 2011

Congrats to another well-deserved award, Bill!

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