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William Shatner: I’m Not In Star Trek Sequel June 18, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Poll,Shatner,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

The question of whether or not William Shatner will appear in a new Star Trek movie has been a hot topic since the first JJ Abrams Trek film was announced in 2006. Much of that speculation has come from Shatner himself, but it appears that today he is also putting the talk to an end. Details below.

 

Shatner:  I will not be in Star Trek 2 – "Captains" is Trek farewell

William Shatner appeared today at the Calgary Expo in Calgary, Canada. According to a report sent in by TrekMovie reader Ryszard Gold, Bill was asked by a fan if he will be in the next Star Trek movie, and Shatner replied:

I’ve become an acquaintance of J.J. [Abrams] of late…But, I’m afraid no, no I will not be in Star Trek 2.

Shatner then segued into talking about his upcoming The Captains documentary, which he described as his "final farewell to Star Trek."

This news will come as a blow to fans who were hoping to see Shatner as Captain Kirk one more time. There was much discussion about Bill appearing in the 2009 Star Trek film and there was even a scene written for him, but in the end JJ Abrams decided that it just didn’t fit with the film, although he later told TrekMovie that it was a very difficult decision. Even with all of that, speculation Shatner just moved on to the sequel.

Such a definitive declaration is a big change for the man behind the original Kirk, who as recently as April of this year was still expressing home that he would appear in the 2012 Star Trek sequel. It is not clear why Bill has changed his tune. It is possible he has been told there is no role for him, but as the script is still not finalized, it is also possible he is just assuming there is no role for him. Bill also stated that he thought the sequel would be shooting this summer. As shooting is now planned for the fall, this may also indicate that Bill is not privy to the latest inside details. 

UPDATE: Video & Photo of Shatner getting his white hat

A tradition at the Calgary Expo is to bestow the main guest with a special white cowboy hat, making them an honorary Calgarian. Yesterday Shatner got his hat and Ryszard caught the moment on video.

And here is a good photo from the hat event (via Zpork on Flickr):

William Shatner & Major Nenshi
Mayor  Nenshi makes Shatner honorary Calgarian
(photo: Andrew of Zombie Darkroom)

 

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Photo & Video: Ryszard Gold

Comments

1. Bryan - June 18, 2011

Thank goodness… it’s time to let the new crew shine.

2. Commander/Captain/Ambassador Spock - June 18, 2011

@ 1.

Part of me (a very large part) agrees that yes it is time for the new crew to shine. And yes, our Captain Kirk has had his rather inglorious death scene.

At the same time though, the other part (fanboy holdout part) really wants to see Shatner do his stuff on the bridge one LAST (seriously last) time.

3. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - June 18, 2011

I for one want to see the Shat in Trek one last time. i think the Role that Bob Orci wrote for him in Trek 09 would still be perfect. Please. Make it so.

4. UMA Fan - June 18, 2011

Here we go again….

5. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - June 18, 2011

Yes. Here we go again. I bet 500 Bars of Gold Pressed latinum that Anthony will have to warn people to or at the very least be nice. Any takers.

6. Tiberius III - June 18, 2011

VERY Disappointing. We will never see Shatner as Kirk again now. Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!

7. Anthony Pascale - June 18, 2011

perhaps a pre-reminder is in order: everyone play nice

8. Jamie - June 18, 2011

oh goodness we’re going to have a hundred more rounds of “yes I am!” “no I’m not!” aren’t we?

9. The Unknown Poster - June 18, 2011

Allow me to sum up this issue once and for all.

Is the ideal scenario to let the new crew swim on their own? Yes. Is the idea scenario to “save” William Shatner if some “stunt casting” is needed for the 3rd or 4th film? Yes.

Does anyone else feel a little uncomfortable “waiting” for 3-6 more years for that possibility considering Shat’s age?

Like Sarek said in Star Trek IV, “do it now. While we still can”

10. USS Enterprise B - June 18, 2011

A cameo or very small role would be very nice for Shatner, but I have to admit, with or without it won’t have much to do with the success (or lack of) of the sequel. It’s just a cherry on top of the ice cream sunday – we’d love to have it, but with or without it, we’re still going to eat the ice cream sunday. At least, that’s my perspective on the matter… I still consider this to be bad news, as I was hoping he would have some small role similar to the rejected ending of the previous film.

11. Derf - June 18, 2011

@5 I see your 500 bars, and raise you 200 quatloos.

12. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 18, 2011

I voted “little sad /it would have been OK”… but at the same time I think it’s new crew time… so, I have an emotional conflict about it… :-) :-)

13. James - June 18, 2011

ST 2010 should be a remake of ST V with Shatner playing “God”

14. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 18, 2011

“It is possible he has been told there is no role for him, but as the script is still not finalized, it is also possible he is just assuming there is no role for him.” – AP

….Or maybe is top secret … LOL

:-) :-)

15. Basement Blogger - June 18, 2011

It’s still not too late for Willam Shatner to voice Kirk in a CGI animated movie set in the Prime universe. We could also get Leonard Nimoy for it too. Come on CBS. What other suggestions should I have for CBS head Les Moonves to make it so? Already suggested a part for wife Julie Chen in the Star Trek 2012. I suggested an android role for her since she’s known as Chenbot. Maybe Les’ son could play Spock-Uhura’s love child. Oooh, how about this one. Cast Charlie Sheen as a red shirt in the 2012 movie and he gets eaten by giant alien monster Crunch. Will that make you happy Les?

There’s not going to be any Star Trek in 2012, Les. It’s just a TV movie released to say TNT or AMC or SyFy. It’s not that scary, Les. Then make a ton of dough on DVD sales.

16. Iva - June 18, 2011

Will never get over him not even being asked/shown his scene for the last movie. That was a very stupid move.

17. Jordan - June 18, 2011

Makes no sense to have Shatner in the second movie.

18. JimmyMac - June 18, 2011

This is a ploy. Shat is in it. Otherwise he wouldn’t have said he wasn’t in it.

19. Ivory - June 18, 2011

That sucks. Shatner should be involved in the new film or at least part 3. Shatner as Kirk would make this a better film.

20. jas_montreal - June 18, 2011

Can they at least re-use that scene that was intended for prime-kirk at the end of Trek 09 ? Lets put that in the trek sequel. It would be a nice easter egg for the fans. Please reward us with that !

21. Ivory - June 18, 2011

I wonder why Abrams and co. have no use for the man? If it were announced tomorrow that Shatner was back as Kirk fanboys everywhere would go nuts…The man and the character are the biggest icons of the entire franchise. Truly a poor decision on Abrams/Orci etc part to deny him a role in the film. Where would ST be w/out Shatner?

22. Mike Thompson UK - June 18, 2011

Shame, he should have been in the 1st one with Nimoy.

23. Bhek - June 18, 2011

?? There is no “new crew”, the new crews were in TNG, and VOY …. What Abrams made was an abomination.

24. Tom - June 18, 2011

JJ and crew need to address this and end it now. When Mr. Orci is here, he should either concur or say if they are planning a role

25. braxus - June 18, 2011

I say let it be. I don’t see how he could possibly be in the new film without it seeming contrived.

26. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - June 18, 2011

A little sad. Sure it probably wouldn’t have worked, …but I can’t help feeling, what if…

27. Baroner - June 18, 2011

A disgrace. Shat isn’t going to live forever. Give him some respect and let him appear in the damn movie. There would be no Star Trek if it wasn’t for this guy. Plenty of fans want to see him. Isn’t this what it’s all about???

28. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - June 18, 2011

#11 Derf. i see your 200 Quatloos and raise you 2,000.

29. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - June 18, 2011

I still think the sceen from the first movie would have ben a great sceen with shatner… I had tears when i red the script. Totally missed chance by JJ and the supreme court!!

30. Ahmed Abdo - June 18, 2011

I was there in Calgary Comic & Entertainment Expo when Shatner mentioned this, my feeling when I heard him say it, that he was just not sure if there is a role for him in the movie.

I still hope that the writers will give him & the fans a final chance to appear in the movie.

31. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2011

I think J.J Abrams should offer William Shatner the hologram scene he wrote for the first film. If Shatner doesn’t want to do it, and demands a bigger role, then J.J can say no. But if Shatner is willing to settle for a cameo, then by all means I and most other fans would welcome it.

Also, I’m pleased to see there hasn’t been any Shat-bashing……..so far!

32. Schultz - June 18, 2011

“I’m not in ‘Stark Trek’ sequel”? Great! Wonderful! Awesome! Say good-bye. I’ll watch the Captains documentary. Promise.

33. Vultan - June 18, 2011

I’d rather see him in his captains documentary, sharing some anecdotes with his fellow Trek actors, than in some shoe-horned role in the next movie. Pine did a fine job carrying the torch forward—or backward, depending on how you look at it.

Oy, remakes… don’t get me started.

34. BeatleJWOL - June 18, 2011

What would happen if Shatner DID end up in the next film, and it just plain didn’t work out well? Where would that leave Shat fans?

35. Torcflaed - June 18, 2011

I have a way for shatner to become a regular with the new movies for bit parts without bring in old universe Kirk.
have Shatner play Kirks uncle, his fathers brother :)
I don’t know wether Kirk had an uncle in the old series but it would be a way to bring in shatner as family and give kirk a hint of the kind of man he could become

36. dmduncan - June 18, 2011

Bob’s Shatner scene was THE vehicle for his reappearance. It fit organically into the story and was a nice finishing touch.

If calls for a special edition re-release of the movie, ala CE3K, including that scene are not heard, then I suppose that’s the end of it.

37. Sebastian S. - June 18, 2011

Shatner had his exit from the franchise (arguably, it could’ve been better), and now it’s time for the new crew to show us what they’ve got without any training wheel support from any of the TOS cast.

Spock Prime in ST09 was critical to the story, but his purpose has been fulfilled. There is no need to bring in any more TOS folks; they’ve already had 6 movies together (7 if you count Generations as both a TOS/TNG movie).

The new cast intrigues me very much; I want to see more of them as a unit.

38. Tarrax - June 18, 2011

So, for right now at least, if you add the two sides of that poll together (Yes!+Don’t & Little +NO!), it’s a dead even 50/50 split. It’s nice to see we represent such a well-balanced demographic of the fan base here. :D

39. Cygnus-X1 - June 18, 2011

:’ (

I guess Shatner is more “baggage” with which JJ would rather not be encumbered.

Too bad. It seems wrong, on several levels.

But JJ’s career is zooming toward the stratosphere. Thanks in large part to Star Trek.

40. Dave Elliott - June 18, 2011

I love William Shatner, but it would be a shame if his final appearance as Capt. Kirk was in some contrived, junk movie made for the lowest-common-denominator audiences, most of whom don’t even like the real Star Trek.

41. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 18, 2011

#35 – “have Shatner play Kirks uncle, his fathers brother :)”

That has been what I have been saying pretty much from the outset. Having him play James T Kirk is not right and makes no sense. If Shatner was to be in it, then having him an older Kirk relative of the young captain James T Kirk makes more sense. It also means that Shatner could still play one or two of the interesting Kirk mannerisms and quirks. After all, it is quite possible that some of those quirky speech patterns etc. that we saw in theTOS series and movies may well have been learned/inherited from an older relative.

I think Shatner is saying he is not expecting a role and that fans should not expect to see him in the next movie either.

42. Harry Ballz - June 18, 2011

I wager 10,000 quatloos on the newcomers!

43. Jordan - June 18, 2011

Any video of this event? I want to see him get white-hatted too. That’s what they do in Calgary.

44. Falkan - June 18, 2011

But how to bring him back anyway? It seems from the first movie that Spock came through the anomaly alone.

Maybe the Nexus would swoop by the Enterprise, dropping off Kirk, Picard and Guinan, leaving their characters unchanged in the new timeline.

45. Andy Patterson - June 18, 2011

@42

4000 quatloos that the newcomers can’t be trained and will have to destroyed.

46. Green-Blooded-Bastard - June 18, 2011

I would like to see him in one more film somehow. Just a nod. He’s not getting any younger, but if he’s not in it, I’d be okay with it. I loved ST’09, i want to love the next one. Just so long as it doesn’t come off as gimmiky.

47. Harry Ballz - June 18, 2011

45.

Andy, i’ll take that bet. Hope you’re good for it! :>)

48. roy - June 18, 2011

@40, Star Trek is not real, it’s just entertainment.

49. Buzz Cagney - June 18, 2011

JJ won’t be happy- all that free publicity for the next movie has now gone.
Getting that kind of coverage next time is going to cost big.

50. Buzz Cagney - June 18, 2011

#37 Nimoys part in ’09 was only critical to the story cos that was how they wrote the story! lol
If he had said no they’d have done a whole different story! They wouldn’t have done the same one but just left blank bits of screen and dialogue where Nimoy was supposed to have been!

Bottom line, if they’d wanted Shatner in at all he’d have been in. All this guff about not knowing how to bring him back just made them look like unimaginative hacks!
Sorry Bob, it really did!

51. Harry Ballz - June 18, 2011

Buzz, in all fairness, there is no CREDIBLE way to bring Shatner’s Kirk back from the dead, at least not without devoting a whole movie to it, which they AREN’T going to do!

52. Green-Blooded-Bastard - June 18, 2011

@51. Harry Ballz – June 18, 2011

Why does he have to be brought back from the dead?

53. Harry Ballz - June 18, 2011

52.

Because to have Shatner appear in any other incarnation such as uncle, grandfather, etc would NEVER satisfy the drooling fanatics out there.

54. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 18, 2011

Because Shatner/Kirk actually DIED on Veridian III. The Nexus passed them by. Neither Kirk, Picard or Soran got caught up in the Nexus. Soran died when the missile was set on self-destruct by Picard. That was the whole point of why Kirk and Picard were there – to stop Soran from sending the missile to destroy that planetary system’s sun, thus altering the Nexus path/trajectory. Kirk and Picard succeeded, which meant that the planet they were on, as well as the other inhabited planet, did not get destroyed. It also meant that the Enterprise was not blown up either. Both Soran and Kirk DIED. Picard did NOT die!

The argument has been about the manner of Kirk’s death, whether he had to die at all, and moreover how his body in death was treated.

55. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

I have just seen a *disturbing* picture of our new captain in civies with a car load of TRIBBLES.

Seriously, I need to ask Nimoy/Spock and the Bad Robot as to just what have they done with the timeline. Should we be worried? Does this Pine/Kirk have these creatures under control? It didn’t really look like he did. After all, they are born pregnant and they love to eat any kind of grain…

I would show you the proof I have, but Anthony might delete it, even though I assure him the photo does not come from a papz site.

Bob Orci – do you have anything to say about this?

56. Jack - June 19, 2011

51. Agreed. Surprisingly, because I’ve been a card-carrying No Shatner-er, I’m a little sad about this (maybe because it’s been raining here for a week, and maybe because it’s nice to seeShatner, presumably, being honest about it).

36. i don’t think the unfilled 2009 scene would merit a thearrical rerelease, on it’s own. Maybe an amateur, or animated version, voiced by Shatner, say on his site — or by fans, or somewhere online for the 50th anniversary. Maybe for an extra on a future DVD?

57. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

Correction: It is actually a picture of Chris Pine with a car load of tribbles taken within the last few months. I have to wonder if the other person who is recognised as Captain Kirk, William Shatner, has not also had a little trouble with tribbles. They are clearly to someone who understands them and will defend them from those horrid Klingons.

As I say – Bob? Alex?

58. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

edit: Meant to write – “clearly DRAWN to someone…”

59. Buzz Cagney - June 19, 2011

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying Harry, which is if they had honestly wanted him in they could have done it. Somehow, someway.
I do not believe they wanted him in.
In fairness to the guys they did say that reincarnating Kirk from the dead was simply not a story that they wanted to tell and I respect that.

And while I am a fan of Shatner he IS too old now. I don’t want to see Kirk at 80.
The beauty of what we have now is that Kirk is back from the dead. It may not be how some fans wanted it or how they pictured it but I’m more than happy to have Kirk back in the way that we have.
I am intrigued to see what the gang make of the opportunity.

I agree with you, Harry in as much as I don’t want to see Shat play Grandpa Kirk or somesuch. That would be as bad as the multiple roles that they had Spiner playing in TNG and subseqently which just looked like stunt casting.

60. chrisfawkes.com - June 19, 2011

I don’t think he needs to be in the new film but i would love to see Shatner reprise the role of Kirk in a mini series set in the future of the current time line.

Done well it would be a great resolution for the character.

You would need Nimoy as Spock too and William H Macey to fill in for DeForest Kelly and one kick ass story that lets these heroes go out in a blaze of glory.

It would be appropriate, respectful and remove the curse of Generations.

61. Buzz Cagney - June 19, 2011

#60 thats an interesting thought but i’d rather they ‘aged’ Karl Urban. He has made the role very much his now that dear DeForest is no longer with us.

62. wanttoseethemoviemeforetheendoftheworld - June 19, 2011

the end of kirk was as bad as the end of the next generation or enterprise. abrams could fix it. maybe within in a movie, maybe also within a new series ;)

63. TaongGagamba - June 19, 2011

he can appear in a future trek movie as the older version of the new timeline kirk.

64. Jack - June 19, 2011

56. My spellcheck went kind of haywire there.

65. Damn It Jim - June 19, 2011

As I have said before. In the first film there was medical hijinks between Kirk and Bones. A similar scene in the second film that suddenly makes Kirk, whilst lying down in Med Bay, Age to Shatners age and sit up suddenly. A couple of genius lines of dialogue and then he flops back down again and reverts to young Kirk again.

66. Iowagirl - June 19, 2011

What sequel?

67. Dom - June 19, 2011

The new cast needs to stand alone from now on. I’d have loved to see Shatner and Nimoy on screen together one last time, but it’s not meant to be.

That said, I still hold out hope for a new universe animated series. They could fit a Kirk Prime/Spock Prime story into that easily enough. Hell, make it a three-parter and market it as a straight-to-Blu-ray animated movie!!

68. KHAN 2.0 - June 19, 2011

#50 – i wonder what they wouldve done if Nimoy had said ‘no thanks’?

i dont see how they couldve changed it to Kirk Prime as how would they have explained him coming back from death?(and they couldnt use Kirk Prime before his death as theyd of had to have him somehow return to his own timeline at the end) and i doubt changing it to Chekov or Sulu wouldve been acceptable.(anyway theyd be dead by 24th century)

im betting P Stewart would have been next on their list if nimoy had declined (especially since Picard is another ambassoder on Vulcan in Countdown)…young kirk meeting a marooned Picard…a reverse of the nexes meeting in Generations (in fact the way Nimoy exclaimed ‘James T Kirk!’ in this was evokative of Picard doing the same when he finds Kirk chopping wood)…they obviously wouldve had to rewrite the script abit (although i guess Nero could blame Picard and Vulcan could still go kaboom)…not ideal i know as that wouldve linked the movie to TNG not TOS (and TNG went out with a whimper with Nemesis not so long ago)…but i think Stewart wouldve been a big enough star and presence to make it work (thanks to his great acting and his increased movie stature from X Men) and Picard is pretty big in the Trekverse and the mainstream – not as big as Kirk or Spock but still pretty big

69. Janice - June 19, 2011

I don’t care one way or the other—
The only one I definitely want to see is PIKE! The new crew will be there anyway.

70. Tom - June 19, 2011

Sounds like he was told there was no role. Even though the script is not done, he must have been told that thry have no plans to write something for him or use the previosly written scene. Hopefully Bob can shed some light. If he can debate quantum physics on these boards forever, he can certainly clear this up. I mean the whole Shatner thing is WTF???? I am surprised this did not come up when Anthony conducted his interview with Bob, Alex and Damon

71. Christopher Roberts - June 19, 2011

They should resurrect Enterprise for a TV Movie, DVD or Blu ray exclusive new production, and do that idea they had to involve William Shatner one last time.

72. denny cranium - June 19, 2011

Mr Shatner had his turn.
Let Pine sit in the center seat.

73. KHAN 2.0 - June 19, 2011

im sure Kirk Prime will appear at some point in the new IDW comic series

74. Hugh Hoyland - June 19, 2011

I think Shatner out foxed himself with the Generations “Kirks death” fiasco.

I really believe he thought he was going to be in the following TNG movie. He even had a story planned out and it did include the Borg. Kind of “TNG 2: The search for Kirk” or something. Of course that didnt happen and he was left out in the cold in the end.

His last real viable opportunity came in the unfilmed scene in ST 09. That would have been PERFECT. A real tear jerker for sure. But before some blame Abrams or Bob remember Shatner himself said he would NOT have done it even if offered the part.

Its a cameo and thats somethings hes said for years he is not interested in doing, period.

75. Hugh Hoyland - June 19, 2011

And I dont want to make assumptions or anything, but I think there may be a slight chance that the poster “Janice” likes Captain Pike.

But dont quote me on that cause I could be wrong. ;]

76. "Check the Circuit!" - June 19, 2011

I think the only thing that makes sense for shatner’s captain kirk now is in some sort of an animated format. hey CBS…how about a clone wars type cgi animation series?

77. Miroslav - June 19, 2011

I’m soooo sad that Bill won’t appearing in Star Trek XII. :(

BRING BACK SHAT!!!!!

78. SciFiGuy - June 19, 2011

Well, I’ll say it again — it’s too bad they didn’t let Undiscovered Country be the LAST appearance of Bill as Kirk. There was never any need for him to be in Generations AT ALL. What is that everyone has to see the very last breath Kirk takes? Why can’t simply “riding off into the sunset” as he did in TUC be enough? THAT was the perfect “end” for the character…and the way I will always think of my hero — James T. Kirk — ending his career in Starfleet. After that, he and Carol Marcus got married and lived happily ever after on Cestus III or something…:-)

79. Boris - June 19, 2011

I don’t understand this obsession about Shatner being or not being in the next movie. Is it only a political issue, because Nimoy did appear in the previous movie? If so, why isn’t it a political issue that Shatner had a moderate role in Generations and Nimoy apparently didn’t, so he declined?

Why are we not examining whether Patrick Stewart will appear in the next movie?

Anthony, I don’t know why you consider this newsworthy. Is it really believable to you that Orci and Kurtzman would introduce a prime universe character yet again? If not, it isn’t even worth considering.

80. Schultz - June 19, 2011

^ Exactly. It’s an obsession. And it’s getting super-annoying, because it’s so moronic. Shatner news is great, because I love the guy, but I prefer not to read any of that irrelevant Shatner-in-NewTrek stuff ever again. New crew, new frontiers.

81. KHAN 2.0 - June 19, 2011

79 – i agree

Shatner did 7 movies…Nimoy did 7 movies

Shatner passed to baton from TOS to TNG in Generations…
Nimoy passed the baton from the TNG era back to TOS

All is well

anyway from a “big picture” point of view how things have played out, it makes sense when you take into account Spock was the first major character in TOS with The Cage. Kirk was second, so that Prime Kirk got his goodbye with Generations first makes sense… it’s appropriate Prime Spock, being the longer-running character of TOS, gets the last goodbye.

82. trekker 5 - June 19, 2011

wow! A farewell to Star Trek? Oh…..My God!!!!!! (shakes head trying to clear mind) Wow! No more Shatner Kirk ever?! What am I do now?! I want the new crew to have the spotlight,I really do! But,I did hope that,just one more time…. Ah well,all things,even hopes,do indeed end.

83. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2011

Nimoy has been with the franchise since “The Cage” pilot was shot in 1964. It seemed only ‘logical’ to bring him back as the bridge between Star Trek Prime and Star Trek-A.

; )

84. Christopher Roberts - June 19, 2011

“Final farewell to Star Trek”? I hope Bill’s not saying what I he think he’s saying.

85. Christopher Roberts - June 19, 2011

81. KHAN 2.0 – “Shatner did 7 movies…Nimoy did 7 movies

Shatner passed to baton from TOS to TNG in Generations…
Nimoy passed the baton from the TNG era back to TOS

All is well”

If we’re taking about competing leading men, who end up counting how many lines each has in a given script… and how equal the score is…

Yes. But Nimoy is up two points by being in “The Cage” and TNG “Unification Part II”.

Shame there isn’t a television series going on to level that out, with a guest appearance. But Shatner was asked to be ENT during its fourth year. *sigh* Actually who knows what publicity that would’ve brought? Reminding fans that Star Trek was actually still on the air.

86. Phil the Gooner - June 19, 2011

Shoot the “Scene That Never Was” with the Shat as planned, and put it in the DVD Extras, not the cinema release. That would pretty well guarantee HUGE DVD sales, too!!

87. chrisfawkes.com - June 19, 2011

@ 60. Pure genius my friend. I hope they do that.

88. chrisfawkes.com - June 19, 2011

@61, Agreed.

89. Robert H. - June 19, 2011

Stupid thing of the poll saying “NO! – Bring Back Kirk!” as if Star Trek or Kirk revolves around William Shatner. That’s like saying “BRING BACK GEORGE REEVES” when Christopher Reeve took over the role of Superman, even though George was dead.

90. Aurore - June 19, 2011

“Final farewell to Star Trek”? I hope Bill’s not saying what I he think he’s saying.”

I hope you’re not saying that he’s saying , what I think you think he’s saying, for, as far as I’m concerned, that would be emotional blackmail .

No. I apologise. I’m positive that’s not what you were thinking he was saying.
How would I know, what you were thinking, really?

If I may ask, what do you think he’s actually saying, by the way?

91. NTH - June 19, 2011

An Enterprising appearance of a fallen hero,
Necessary or not to the unfolding tale,
What grasp ye of it’s value ,priceless or zero,
All to be revealed when the court has it’s say!

92. Christopher Roberts - June 19, 2011

90. He’s a showman and is drumming up publicity for his Captains documentary no doubt. But he obviously thinks about mortality, and probably has a fair few regrets. I don’t think his involvement in Generations should be one of them. I remember going to see that film a few times, and lots on tape, DVD since and now Blu ray. I think the deal falling through to appear on ENT back in 2004/5 was a shame however.

93. Terran_Guy93 - June 19, 2011

I am against it and to be honest, I will not see the sequel if he is in it.

Shatner made his choices, and I don’t respect him much anymore. He acts too much like an overgrown child imo.

94. Tom - June 19, 2011

Bob Orci HELP!!

Criquets chirping….

95. Tom - June 19, 2011

Maybe JJ finally tells Bill we would like you in the film. Now he is NEGOTIATING!!!

96. Harry Ballz - June 19, 2011

93.

Uh, oh……..look out your door, Terran_Guy93.

The fanatics are probably there with torches!

:>)

97. NTH - June 19, 2011

Hopefully the opportunity of one last appearance by Bill Shatner will not be sqandered by all parties involved.

98. trekker 5 - June 19, 2011

#90,Hi Aurore! I don’t man,after all that I’m confused?! :) (And I mean that in a poking fun kinda way so,I beg of you to not become upset with me!)

99. trekker 5 - June 19, 2011

#90,Me again,I was going fast there,forgot to put in ‘know’ after ‘I don’t’. Sorry.

100. Buzz Cagney - June 19, 2011

#96 but Harry, don’t you see that your a fanatic too? On the other side of the fence, to be sure, but equally blinkered nevertheless.

101. Allen Williams - June 19, 2011

Kirk is dead. Unless he’s playing his grandfather there is no reason for him to be in this movie. I also don’t want him playing his grandfather for the sake of getting shat in the movie. If it made sense to show his grandfather then fine.

102. jas_montreal - June 19, 2011

Shatner should put energy into “re-tooling” Star Trek 5, instead of campaigning for the trek sequel.

103. kmart - June 19, 2011

34. BeatleJWOL – June 18, 2011
What would happen if Shatner DID end up in the next film, and it just plain didn’t work out well? Where would that leave Shat fans?

Same place we were after GENERATIONS (even though the stuff on the -B is the best stuff in the movie, it still didn’t really work.)

104. Gary Makin - June 19, 2011

Shatner could always try to make his own privately funded, non-profit Trek. I’m sure many fans would donate money for that.

105. Shamelord - June 19, 2011

102.

Agreed !

106. leonel - June 19, 2011

*sigh*

I’d say, “who cares” but that seems futile.

107. Ricky - June 19, 2011

Shatner is Kirk. This is science fiction for crying out loud. The argument that they can’t fit Shatner is ridiculous. It’s all make believe, so what if he died in one movie.
This whole new movie series is taking place in an alternative reality (um, yeah). So where is the problem in bringing him back. I can go over so many instances from the series where the crew has travelled to alternative realities and have met with deceased crew members – Tasha Yar for instance.
So this excuse they can’t bring him back is bull$#@. The original series is STAR TREK and Shatner made the character what it is. They need to find a way to make the movie with Shatner in a major role.

108. sean - June 19, 2011

#107

Again, WHY? He’s been there, done that. Why go to the trouble of rebooting this whole thing and then write an entire movie where Shatner has a ‘major role’? That’s only going to shift focus back to the old, and take away from the new cast. Nope, sorry, they’ll never do it, and they’re right not to.

And personally, I’d dread seeing yet another ‘alternate reality’ or visitor from the future scenario in Trek 12, they’ve already tread that ground, time to move on. Shatner’s presence would require some kind of explanation, and at this point would be a distraction (if he’s playing Old Kirk that is. If he wants to cameo as grandpa Kirk or whatever, that’s a different story)

109. Brian L - June 19, 2011

Peronally I think he should count his blessings he’s not in it!

110. Tom - June 19, 2011

The second piece of news was also on the Daily Blam site. There was an article basically stating that the sequel is definitely moving to Winter Holiday 2012

111. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 19, 2011

#57- Keachick …

LOL …. is just an edited pic of that Details magazine photoshoot of… someone very creative chose to see CP in trouble with tribbles than with with the model in the awkward pose … I’m sure CP really knows a lot about Brazilian wax … +LOL

I would not dare put the link of the pictures here… although I’m sure the guys would love it…

:-) :-)

112. KHAN 2.0 - June 19, 2011

they should give shatner a Trek tv show by way of compensation

“Capatin Kirks Adventures in the Nexus” has a nice ring to it and it could chart all the stuff he did in those 78 years he was in the nexus before Picard showed up and ruined everything and got him killed

113. KHAN 2.0 - June 19, 2011

p,s Im not joking

114. Graham Laurie - June 19, 2011

No Shatner in the next movie, then no me at the Box Office which won’t be too difficult a decision as Pine & Co couldn’t hold a candle to Bill, Leonard and the original cast.

115. CmdrR - June 19, 2011

Man.

116. Sid - June 19, 2011

They really should’ve kept that scene for him in ST09. It would’ve been perfect.

I’d like to see him cameo in the new one, but I think that scene was their last best hope for doing it.

Count me as saddened.

117. Adolescent Nightmare - June 19, 2011

What is the name of the psychological condition when people wont let go of the past? I know it has a name but I can’t remember it right now.

118. Starbase Britain - June 19, 2011

Would love to have seen Shatner in the movie but i think the real opportunity was missed with the first film. That was the one both Nimoy and Shatner should have been in together. Massive opportunity missed im afraid. I think its come and gone now.

Shatner for Prime minister!

Greg
United Kingdom

119. The Great Bird of the Galaxy - June 19, 2011

Besides seeing Shat in the move, another thing I was looking forward to was the familiar sound of chirps, and whirs on the Enterprise bridge. And the big candy buttons. I think JJ was a huge mistake. He’s not even a trekker yet he’s trying to reshape the franchise into his own vision. I think he don’t take Start Trek seriously. I think he wants to use it to make himself shine, because clearly his record is getting pretty dark. Super 8? That movie is a joke. He could have been working on Trek but instead he involves himself with that crap. And when Howard Stern called him on the carpet regarding his failures, all he could do was blame it on Bad Robot. This guys a joke, and in 10 years he’ll be an echo of what he could have been. Especially if he continues to neglect the franchise like he already has.
PARAMOUNT, PLEASE FIND A REAL PRODUCER, to take over the franchise. JJ is on the ‘Fringe’ of being ‘Lost’. And in my opinion, he has no future.

120. Fantomex - June 19, 2011

The only ones on the ‘Fringe’ of being ‘Lost’ is losers like you who want everything to be as it was-Shatner is a 80-year old man and can’t be a commanding presence as Kirk any more. Nimoy was in the 2009 movie because Spock is a scientist, while Kirk is a solider/explorer and little more than that, plus the plot involved Vulcan-what would the older Kirk have contributed to the movie other than a fan wank? The only reason you (and most likely only people like you) wanted to see the Shat on screen is because of the drug high fans like you get every time he’s on screen. But that’s not enough to sustain box office or keep a franchise going.

Also, Abrams DOES take Trek seriously, more so than the people you and other like you were complaining about (Berman & Braga). Please stick to Star Trek Phase II and leave the rest of us alone.

121. Brett L. - June 19, 2011

Shatner’s opportunity has passed, and it’s time to move on…

I do think it’s unfortunate that we didn’t see the cameo at the end of the last film based on the monologue that circulated around here last year. I recall something about a line referring to the journey or the adventure “being home.” I can’t recall the exact text, but it was such a great line to sum up what kept bringing that original cast coming back for more over the years. It would have played well.

122. ibot - June 19, 2011

i could live with a kirk prime cameo in trek XII – but i think shat (and his ego) couldn’t. so: leave him out

123. CDR Arch - June 19, 2011

If you want your Shat as Kirk fix…listen to “Ashes of Eden” on audiobook. It is the way we should have said goodbye to Shatner as Kirk.

124. Anthony Pascale - June 19, 2011

Great bird
Warning for trolling
Fantomex
Warning for flaming

Again some ppl need to relax and not get so personal

125. N - June 19, 2011

I’m glad Shatner won’t be in the sequel personally and I enjoyed Generations so I’m glad nobody will try and mess with the canon

126. D-Rock - June 19, 2011

I hope there’s some real news coming soon.

Kirk/lens flares/engineering is getting so tiring. I can’t believe these things are being picked apart two years on. Such small potatoes.

Shatner had his time, if they shove him in to appease a few misty eyed fan boys, its doomed to failure.

127. Aurore - June 19, 2011

98.Good evening, Olivia!
“…after all that I’m confused?! :) (And I mean that in a poking fun kinda way so,I beg of you to not become upset with me!)”

No problem!

:))

128. D-Rock - June 19, 2011

that last line sounded better in my head, I’d like it stricken from the record.

129. Jonboc - June 19, 2011

With 79 hours of the TV series and 7 movies..Shatner has been the face of Kirk on screen and in marketing merchandise for 45 years. And after the new crew has it’s run of 3 or 4 movies, Shatner will still be the predominant face of Captain Kirk. That will never change.

As far as Shatner returning to the role…I would love it….I would absolutely love to see 80 year old Shatner portray an 80 year old Kirk….imagine being able to see the same actor portray the same fictional character in the phases of life, from young man, to middle age, to Kirk in his twilight years…to see how his character has grown and changed, as we all do as we age. It could be quite a performance, especially if he were opposite Nimoy. But alas…. it’s just not meant to be.

If it’s not in the cards, then it’s not in the cards. And that’s ok. Life goes on. But to quote the late great John Colicos…it would’ve been glorious.

130. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

#111 Dee, I figured as much. It certainly improved the picture and those tribbles were so cute. Aw! Better than someone who looked like a blow-up doll in leathers, with Brazilian wax and all, no doubt…LOL.

Anyway, Dee, are you absolutely, utterly and completely certain that this photo is not another photo, just released in the interests of *open and honest disclosure* showing that there are indeed alien creatures, tribbles, here on earth? It would all because of Bob and Alex and what they have done with the timeline via Nimoy/Spock.

After all, the camera doesn’t lie!

Anyway, it sure beats the repetitive silliness of this thread…:))!

131. Hermioni - June 19, 2011

@ #129. Jonboc – June 19, 2011

“…As far as Shatner returning to the role…I would love it….I would absolutely love to see 80 year old Shatner portray an 80 year old Kirk….imagine being able to see the same actor portray the same fictional character in the phases of life, from young man, to middle age, to Kirk in his twilight years…to see how his character has grown and changed, as we all do as we age. It could be quite a performance, especially if he were opposite Nimoy. …”

I certainly do find myself in complete and utter agreement with your position on this subject.

132. snoopytrek - June 19, 2011

Do u guys think that the reason we want Bill to make at least some sort of appearance is what some have said for the past cpl years since the rumors started..a better send off for Kirk than what happened in ‘Generations’? A scene written worthy of the character and the actor…? I remember reading his book, ‘….movie memories’ and how he prologued the idea that he was uneasy bout Kirk’s death and the possiblities of getting to re-shoot the ending..perhaps not having Kirk die.

Then, with Spock’s appearance in Trek 09..i agree with some that his involvement wasnt that critical to the plot..they couldve solved the situation without Spock ‘Prime’. And ive always felt the only reason they had Nimoy involved was so the fans and movie goers in general wouldnt think that paramount was just remaking another old tv series like ‘the brady bunch’ or ‘bewitched’ where we would take it more seriously instead of ‘oh, hell, no. theyd better not! How can they reboot our baby, our favorite show of all time?!? Oh, Nimoy is in it..oh, then it’s a real Trek movie, not a caricature of it. Hmmm, ok!’

133. Will_H - June 19, 2011

They owe Kirk better than he got in Generations. Hell the Direct TV add was a better sendoff. People are saying that its time for the new crew to shine, but I don’t think Mr. Nimoy being in the last movie stopped that. I’m not saying bring Kirk back to life, but I think he deserves a small part. But what’s done is done. Then again, if this end ups a trilogy, maybe the last one will give original Kirk a sendoff.

134. Cap'n Calhoun - June 19, 2011

> Shatner then segwayed into talking about his upcoming The Captains documentary, which he described as his “final farewell to Star Trek.”

Was he riding a Segway to the interview, or did you mean to say “segued”?

http://trekmovie.com/2011/05/05/shatwatch-behind-the-scenes-on-weird-or-what-shatners-captains-update-honorary-degree/

135. Tom - June 19, 2011

It is an awful shame that this won’t happen Especially the scene written for the last film. I just have to keep reminding myself that this is not your daddys star trek. That scene represented everything that was good about star trek. That was the best example of following canon. However it was certainly not summer movie popcorn fare. It is more exciting to see planets blow up and love stories. As for Shatner not wanting a cameo, that just makes me sick. I am so sick of hearing that. The guy practically makes an ass of himself on commercials and music videos but cameos absolutely not! I would not spend one thin dime hearing him hawk start trek products when he would be unwilling to participate in a cameo

136. Christopher Roberts - June 19, 2011

Film the Kirk hologram scene while the sequel’s going on.

Tweeked in whatever way it takes Shatner to agree to it.

Insert it into a re-edit of Star Trek (2009).

Re-release film in cinemas, or on DVD/Blu ray as a Special Edition. Building up interest for the sequel.

137. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

Shatner can’t play James T Kirk in the sequel because Chris Pine is the young James T Kirk. The older Shatner/James T Kirk DIED (“There is no good way to die”, Capt. Kirk – That Which Survives), presumably BEFORE prime Spock found out about the plight of planets like Romulus and tried to do something about it.

William Shatner could surely muster his best acting skills to play Grandpa Tiberius or (my preference) an older brother to George Kirk, a KIRK relative to the young Pine/Kirk. Why could this not happen? It doesn’t have to but it could. People need to let go of prime Kirk, allow the man to Rest in Peace, seriously. It should not be a big role (sorry, Bill). This new cast of the “magnificent seven” deserve to have their chance to shine!

138. Jonboc - June 19, 2011

137. ” This new cast of the “magnificent seven” deserve to have their chance to shine!”

Geez I’m so utterly tired of hearing this battle cry.

Did I miss something?? Did the new cast NOT knock it out of the ballpark in the first movie?? I thought, by all accounts, both critically and emotionally, the new cast hit a home run with the majority of movie goers and fans alike?? Did they not? And that is WITH Nimoy’s involvement! Why on earth, would, the now seemingly unlikely appearance of Shatner, change any of this?? The fact is, it wouldn’t…no more then Nimoy’s presence affected the new crew in the first movie. People would smile..some would absolutely love it …or hate it, depending on what side of the Shat controversy they reside. But realistically, most would be indifferent.

But in no way would it diminish the audience’s acceptance of the already accepted new crew. They have already proven themselves and earned acceptance. Nothing is going to change that.

139. Tom - June 19, 2011

Jonboc 129,138

agree on all counts> this really should have happened. Turned out to be a lot of lip service and nothing else. Didn’t expect to hear it from Bill going out with a whimper

140. AMF - June 19, 2011

oh come on…put shatner in the damn movie.

141. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

I am not into doing “battle” cries, Jonboc.

I think there was a film called The Magnificent Seven but I can’t remember what it was about. Someone, somewhere, a while ago, used that term to describe the new cast/crew of the Enterprise and I thought it was a good description to copy. Hence I refer to them as the “magnificent seven”. It is not a battle cry or anything.

142. trekker 5 - June 19, 2011

#127,Aurore,thanks for telling me good evening,too bad my evening is not going good! I mean,I feel like crap,William Shatner is not going to be in Trek 12,and the weekend is almost over!! (I would say ‘what else could go bad,but then I’d get back on here later and they’d tell me Trek would be coming out in the year 3000!!!)

143. Tom - June 19, 2011

: You’ve said that the hardest decision for you was to not include William Shatner in the movie. Are you thinking about putting him in the next movie at all?

Abrams: The Shatner thing comes up quite a bit. As someone who was a William Shatner fan, in a huge way, just because of The Twilight Zone episodes he did, and then completely appreciating what he did in Star Trek, but not really becoming a fan until I started working on this movie, it was a foregone conclusion that we wanted Shatner in the movie. The problem was that his character died, on screen, in one of the Trek films, and because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon, as best we could, which was a huge challenge, because even the original series, in many ways, didn’t always adhere to Trek canon, the required machinations to get Shatner into the movie would have been very difficult to do, given the story we wanted to tell, and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with. It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick, in order to get Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting. Having said that, would it have been fun to have him in the movie? Of course. Would it be great to work with him? No doubt. I was as excited to work with him, as I was Mr. Nimoy, who we luckily did have in the film. In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything. I would love to figure out something, given the challenge of introducing these new characters and given the burden of having to cast these people. I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to be done, in order to free us to continue, going forward. Maybe there’s less of a burden and there’s going to be more opportunity to work with him again. I would love to work with him. We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned. I’m a fan. I’m a friend of his. Or, he’s at least a friend of mine. He may say otherwise on his blog today. I have no idea. But, I really couldn’t like him more and would love to work with him.
NOT!!!

144. Tom - June 19, 2011

For Bob Orci

So, Shatner accepting a Scream Award for JJ Abrams…does that mean anything? That he might show up in the sequel?

Orci: Well, we wrote a scene for him in the first one and I got outvoted in terms of where it ended up. I’ll write another one and we’ll see what happens. [laughs]

Same result Bob???

145. Danpaine - June 19, 2011

It’s ok. REALLY.

…and I’m a Shatner guy.

Those of you my age and older (I’m 44) – please keep in mind that movies of this type are no longer geared towards u$$$$. Having Shatner in there would have been nice for us (old fans), but really, no way to work him into a viable new-universe story (and I’ve thought about it), and why spend the money on a Bulls$*t cameo, as an uncle or chef or janitor or whatever.

He’s still Captain Kirk, the best, the original.

On with the new film.

146. DeShonn Steinblatt - June 19, 2011

117. What is the name of the psychological condition when people wont let go of the past?

Acute Trekkie.

147. Pizza - June 19, 2011

Are there others out there, that get turned off reading all this? Doubt very much if Shatner/Kirk had died a glorious death, that there would be this much discussion.

So in a manner of thinking, Shatner should be greatful for Kirk’s ignominious death. People can’t stop talking about it.

I for one, will be back for the more interesting threads. This one is too old.

148. Dee - lvs moon' surface! - June 19, 2011

#130- Keachick …

Yes, it’s an edited photo … I’m 100 % sure … and, it’s very funny … someone who edited the picture replaced the girl in the awkward pose by tribbles… LOL

:-) :-)

149. sean - June 19, 2011

#138

Nimoy was there as a bridge to Trek-That -Was. That bridge has been built. There’s simply no reason to have Shatner in the new movie as Kirk (these movies .are about the crew’s young years, why show an 80-year-old Kirk already?). And yes, having him there would take away from the new crew. They deserve their own movie, on their own, just as TNG should have started off with an original story of their own, instead of the tacked-on TOS plot we got with Generations

150. Kevin the - June 19, 2011

WHY settle for one new universe? there could be several startrek universes. In fact i have been working on one of my own for some time..

151. N - June 19, 2011

the way I see it there is no “old Trek” and “new Trek” I see Nimoy’s inclusion in the film as an easier way to establish it as a sequel (to Unification/Nemesis) from a storytelling standpoint.

Shatner’s Kirk died in Generations. Dead, gone, move on.

152. Jack - June 19, 2011

In some of his musings lately, Shatner seems to be dropping the Shatner act, as much as he can, and speaking relatively honestly. I wonder if it’s turning 80, or if something else is going on.

153. Gallifrey1983 - June 19, 2011

Not surprising, but a lost opportunity. Shatner was interested, but they could not fit him in, now things have moved on.

I wish it would have worked out. If Generations was half as good as Star Trek 2 maybe it would be less disappointing, but it is too bad that was Shatner’s last appearance in Trek. Still, it’s sci-fi, there have to be ways . . .

154. VOODOO - June 19, 2011

If Shatner wants in they should find a way…How cool would it be to see Shat back as Kirk.

This is a bad decision.

155. Jamie - June 19, 2011

Saw Shatner yesterday in Calgary. So hard to believe he is 80! I am disappointed he will not be in the next movie but his time has past. What about Patrick Steward?!!

156. The Great Bird of the Galaxy - June 19, 2011

My apologies, Anthony, Peeps…I am sometimes very passionate about the direction the franchise is taking. And for the record, I’m happy the Shat is not in the movie. Why should The makers that be fork over millions of dollars to this guy (who wouldn’t do it for a penny less) when we can use that money to compliment the story? My biggest hero is the Enterprise, herself, and I truly hope she is given justice in the next movie.
However, I as a fan, believe that JJ Abrams was a poor choice to take over the reigns. I despise the fact the movie is waiting for HIM to get around to it. For HIM to give the word for the script to be prepped for pre-production. It’s like Star Trek has become another misfit toy for him to neglect. Star Trek + JJ Abrams = DOOM

157. KelleyH - June 19, 2011

Love Shatner!!!! Love Pine!!! Love the new film! and, yes, I am an original (in reruns circa 1972 fan) and Yeah, that means I’m an old (+50) broad and I say that as long as Roddenberry’s warmth and vision (and sense of humor) remain (and they were in the new flick!) then “whatever” – just get going on the next film! Oh and I’m am actress – so if you need a mother for one of the green ladies, I’m available!!!

158. ilker - June 19, 2011

I think this may change due to the fact that JJ is kind of running out of gas, as it can be observed in the lame-ness of Super 8. The Shath could guarantee him some element of surprise, which he obviously has trouble delivering these days.

159. Canon Schmanon - June 19, 2011

I really love Bill. I loved him as Captain Kirk. I know he has wanted to play Kirk one more time, and I understand that completely, and I feel his pain about the whole thing. But I have also not wanted him in the new films, because I haven’t seen any way that it would work. It’s a sad situation, but we can’t expect J.J. and his team to jump giant story hurdles just to please Bill and some hardcore fans at the expense of the movie and the greater audience.

We’ve seen the torch passed. It’s time to honor those that came before and support those that now have the helm. They did a good enough job the first time that I’m willing to give them that support. Everything good eventually needs to be replaced. Passages are a part of life. I’m old enough to have watched TOS from the first time it aired. I feel fortunate for that. Trek has entertained me and disappointed me many times. It has always been far from perfect, but it was often enough great to inspire me. Shatner was a big part of that. I hope the new guys will be, too. I think they have a fantastic start.

I’m so sorry, Bill, that this couldn’t happen for you. But you’ve had an incredible career, you’ve played several unforgettable characters. You’ve made an indelible mark, more than most. Your legacy is strong, and you’re still going strong. You’ve made a difference, whether you know it or not.

160. Green-Blooded-Bastard - June 19, 2011

@53.
What I meant was, he’s dead in the TOS future. Star Trek ’09 was a time travel film. He might not necessarily be dead in this time lines future. Also, there are other ways to bring older Kirk into the film besides resurrecting him or bringing in Shatner as a relative. Let’s not forget two things…

1) This is film, anything is possible

2) This is Sci-Fi, anything is plausible.

161. Jon Spencer - June 19, 2011

I really could never get sick of Shatner, Nimoy, Stewart, Spiner, Frakes or a number of the actors I originally fell in love with. To have them in it at all makes it somehow better in my opinion. Just like those TNG episodes with bones or scotty. Or Nemesis with Janeway (FOR 2 Seconds) It was so cool to have them in there. Plus, who knows how long Shatner has left. I wish he could be in it.

And most importantly, since they’ve created a new timeline in 2009, anything’s possible!

162. Canon Schmanon - June 19, 2011

And to those people who are saying that everyone would “go nuts” if Shat was in the new film, you’re wrong. I, for one, would groan in disappointment. It would be pandering to a very vocal, but small minority, of fans. It would not be a benefit at all to the next film. It worked with Nimoy because they did it once. Doing it again, is, like I said, pandering. And, need I mind you, Kirk is dead.

Yes, I know they can do anything in science fiction. That doesn’t mean they should. Trek has always been too cowardly in killing off its characters. They ALWAYS come back. Not only does that rob Trek of some emotional reality, it cheapens it as well. There’s a reason TWOK is the best of the TOS movies – there was emotional depth, but we were robbed of it by the next film. None of the subsequent installments was as mature and emotionally resonant as Khan. I would have been fine to see the movies end there.

Too many people are afraid to say goodbye to these characters; they would gladly rob the movies/shows of their depth just to see each and every character continue forever. It’s gotta end. Kirk has died, and I’m sorry you guys didn’t care for the death. But it happened. I don’t want to see some cheap science fiction trick just so a small percentage of fans can rest in science fiction peace. People die, and they should die in Trek as well. It makes it more real to me, more moving and genuine, more HUMAN.

I’m not dissing Kirk or Shatner here. I’m just admitting that their time has passed. I’m accepting it. I don’t want some cheap stupid tricks, however science fictionally possible, just so a few people can be appeased. That would disappoint me greatly, and I would no longer be confident in the new guys’ ability to do Trek right, maybe even better.

God, I hate this stupid argument, yet I always get sucked in.

163. Harry Ballz - June 19, 2011

162.

I like your logical observations. Very nice. Hard to argue with, even on a good day!

164. Canon Schmanon - June 19, 2011

Thanks, Ballz. So this is a bad day?

165. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

Shatner should be in the film as a cameo, sorta like stan lee in marvel films, a quick 45sec scene not as kirk but as shatner. Bartender, janitor, admiral, a scene that rewards trekkies/trekkers, a wink, a nod.

166. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 20, 2011

I find it *interesting*, *curious* that William Shatner should make this announcement just after meeting and interviewing Chris Pine for his Captains documentary. I don’t know if the two have had much to do with each other before now, on or off screen, but I’m guessing this was perhaps the first good opportunity for both Shatner and Pine to sit down and just talk with each other about anything, everything and of course, on screen, Star Trek’s Captain Kirks.

167. MJ - June 20, 2011

@161 “I really could never get sick of Shatner, Nimoy, Stewart, Spiner, Frakes or a number of the actors I originally fell in love with. To have them in it at all makes it somehow better in my opinion. Just like those TNG episodes with bones or scotty.”

People age dude. Would you want to go back and wear child’s clothing and have your father and mother pretend you are a kid still? LOL

168. Greenberg - June 20, 2011

#162,
bunkum.

169. MJ - June 20, 2011

I must in fact give Shat credit for coming clean that he is not going to be in the sequel. I expect part of the equation was realizing that he just doesn’t much look like Captain Kirk anymore, which is fine.

Thanks Shat for coming to peace with this.

170. MJ - June 20, 2011

#168

Double bunkum on you. Canon Schmanon and Harry Ballz are 100% right here.

Funny now that Shat has had his “come to Jesus” moment on moving on from playing Captain Kirk that some fans can’t accept it???

171. KHAN 2.0 - June 20, 2011

maybe its a Kirk like bluff

he says hes not in it…kills off any speculation dead…. then come summer 2013 or xmas 2012 we get ‘stunned’ by a shat cameo

172. KHAN 2.0 - June 20, 2011

171 (cont )
nothing big – something akin to the X Men First Class cameo (no im not gonna spoil it)

e.g. Grandpop Kirk or even something like Spock Primes holo emitter (e.g. it gets turned on briefly like Dooku turns on the Death Star hologram in Star Wars II)

173. Admiral_Bumblebee - June 20, 2011

I was expecting this. After all the “maybe in the sequel”-talk from Mr. Orci, Mr.Abrams and all the others it was clear that they never wanted Shatner in the new Star Trek movies.
They just wanted to keep the old fans interested and hopeful that maybe they would include Shatner. Telling outright that they don’t want him in the movies could alienate some fans – which of course they do not want.

This whole “keep the hopes up although it is clear that he will not be in the movie”-mess makes me sadder than the fact that Mr.Shatner is not in the movie (which by the way is a waste).

174. Bryan with Pointy Nacelles and a Large Disk - June 20, 2011

JJ’s Trek was an abomination…made for the young minded video gaming generation. I’m an original first broadcast on NBC Trekker. I have sontered on thru all the incarnations and this my friends was aweful. I had expected to be emotionally moved during the new movie…especially with Nimoy’s scenes…but it fell flat for me because Spock Prime didn’t have Shatner’s Kirk to bounce off with. I could go on and on what was horrible in JJ’s mess, but it is pointless for those who do not understand Star Trek history. The USS Enterprise looked like an over-blown Buick…overly designed with too much garbage on it and those ridiculas lenz-flares was just annoying. Unless Shatner or any other original cast member has a part (albeit small) I will not plop down any cash on this….

175. chrisfawkes.com - June 20, 2011

Ok Bill, may be time to tap James Cawley on the shoulder.

If nothing else you could do an impersonation Of Cawley doing Kirk on a future show.

176. chrisfawkes.com - June 20, 2011

@174, you are obviously a genius and the rest of us brain dead idiots, thanks for the heads up.

177. Admiral_Bumblebee - June 20, 2011

@174
What I don’t get ist, why does Hollywood let every good franchise “decline”?

Take for example Alien. After Part 2 the movies got worse and worse, destroying the whole franchise.
Highlander, another example…
And even Star Trek. Up to Star Trek VI everything was fine but suddenly it went downhill with Kirk dying a pointless death in a strange movie that didn’t feel like Star Trek at all. And it didn’t get better. First Contact made an actionmovie out of the series, Insurrection was pointless and lame and Nemesis – I don’t even know what this was… now we got the new Star Trek and it moves even further away from the original vision of the series.

And then we have all those fans that are accepting everything the studio does as long as Star Trek is written all about it…
Oh well… time to move on I guess.

178. Janice - June 20, 2011

#75— Hugh Hoyland–

There;s no “slight chance” about it—and you’re not wrong—I REALLY like Captain Pike!! LOL.
To me–he made the 2009 Star Trek movie way more than just great! Because of Pike , I saw that movie more times than i’ll ever admit to.

I’ll be beyond disappointed if Pike isn’t in the sequel. That’s why i’m here and i don’t think I ever post anything here without bringing up Bruce Greenwood or Pike. I don’t bother with the other cast–they’ll be there anyway. I just hope to see Pike there too!!

179. HARRISON!!! - June 20, 2011

Personally, I think a nice touch would be for Shatner, as an older version of Pine’s Kirk, to narrate over the final scenes of episode 3 of this trilogy, in much the same way he did over the final scenes of The Undiscovered Country…

You can have that one for free ;-)

180. DaiMonRon - June 20, 2011

@Canon Schmanon #162:

Please check your math……….

The above poll indicates that more than a “small minority” would like to see Shatner back as Kirk. I believe that constitutes a “benefit”.

I agree with your statement – “Yes, I know they can do anything in science fiction. That doesn’t mean they should.” However, I believe that seeing Shatner as Kirk again is one of those “shoulds”.

All IMO, of course!

P.S.

“God, I hate this stupid argument, yet I always get sucked in.”

This was my first “suck in”. :-)

181. Zee - June 20, 2011

Canon Schmanon

Well said. I love William Shatner as Capt. Kirk, but it is time to move on.

182. Victor Hugo - June 20, 2011

I haven´t played ALL Star Trek games, haven´t read all the pocket books or the comics either.

Plenty of real TOS action there, i´m always fishing them on e-bay, plenty of Star Trek and Shatner to entertain four lifetimes.

183. Ivory - June 20, 2011

162

I disagree. If it were announced today Shatner was in the film the reaction would be very,very positive.

184. Daoud - June 20, 2011

Where are the articles:

George Takei: I’m Not In Star Trek Sequel EIther But If The Excelsior Were To Travel Back In Time and Captain Sulu Comes To The Rescue and….

Walter Koenig: A Little Birdie Told Me I Em Not In Star Trek Seqvel Either, But If Reliant Vere To Travel Back in Time and….

Nichelle Nichols: I’m Not In Star Trek Sequel or Am I?

185. Bob - June 20, 2011

@#65 – I LOVE IT!!!!!

186. Captain Hackett - June 20, 2011

It is time for the new crew to shine in future Star Trek movies and hopefully new series. And, the Star Trek franchise will be in great shape for a long, long time.

I love William Shatner but it is time for him to move on and enjoy his hectic life.

187. Brett Campbell - June 20, 2011

Mr. Shatner, you WERE in Star Trek II, the greatest Trek film of them all, and you gave one of your finest performances as Kirk. “Of all the souls I’ve encountered in my travels, his was the most human …”

188. Canadianknight - June 20, 2011

Anthony… just FYI…

The White Hat Ceremony is a long-standing tradition in Calgary, a symbol of the Western hospitality and good cheer we like to share with visiting guests. The white Smithbilt hat has been bestowed on numerous celebrities and dignitaries on their visits to our city since the 1950s.

Now, not every White Hat is done by the serving Mayor… and Mayor Nenshi did an awesome job. It’s not just a Calgary Comic Expo honor. :)

(Mayor Nenshi is a big fan too… got to shake his hand shortly after he excitedly met Summer Glau.)

189. Desstruxion - June 20, 2011

Without William Shatner, Star Trek is just another series.

190. Canon Schmanon - June 20, 2011

180. DaiMonRon – The poll proves nothing, unfortunately. It is neither scientific nor is it a sampling of the moviegoing public. It is a poll on a Star Trek site where there are many hardcore fans. If you polled the general public, the results would be much less heartening to you.

As I said, it’s a very vocal minority, but a minority nonetheless. Star Trek fans are a moviegoing minority themselves. There haven’t been enough to support the films and shows for quite some time. Otherwise the movies would still be going. Money talks, and if there had been enough of us to see the films and make them adequately profitable, Trek would never have had to be “rebooted.”

The “Shat in the film” supporters are an even smaller subset of fans. Of course their numbers are larger on this site. But there aren’t enough of them to dramatically boost ticket sales, and there certainly aren’t enough of them to justify a plot contrivance in the new film just to please that minority.

My opinion, of course, but I haven’t seen a good-enough argument to sway that opinion.

191. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 20, 2011

Simon Pegg talks again … a bit … but I do not know if I’m relieved or not …
:-) :-)

“You do have to manage your time, but they can’t tell you exactly, because they don’t know. You just sort of say, ‘OK, I’m going to keep the fall free.’ With a bit of luck, that will be for a reason.”

source:

http://www.movieweb.com/news/simon-pegg-says-star-trek-2-shoots-this-fall

192. Lt. Bailey - June 20, 2011

I would love for him to be in the film, just my opinion and feelings.

193. Daoud - June 20, 2011

@65, just remake TOS “The Deadly Years”, with Shatner and Nimoy playing old Kirk and old Spock…. and an agèd Urban (or an agèd Gary Sinise ) as McCoy. Transporter accident, perhaps? Blame it all on Chris Doohan’s Transporter Guy.

194. Alex - June 20, 2011

The time has to come for the new cast to fly on its own. And that’ll never happen so long as they key bringing in past cast members. I wasn’t in favor of Nimoy appearing in the last film, and to have Shatner appear in the second one would be a disservice to the efforts of Chris Pine and the others. Shatner has found a gift in his ability to do documentaries and interviews – I much rather would prefer to see him do work such as the Captains documentary and the documentary about science fiction convention fans that he also revealed during his speech – that’s where he’ll be able to give his greatest contribution.

195. Mike Thompson UK - June 20, 2011

#193

I like it!

Do it while they still have time!

196. Todd Propst - June 20, 2011

did you know that the original scene for Kirk’s death in ST Generations, called for Kirk to be shot in the back? I mean what the hell was that all about. the Character of Kirk should have been given a much more glorius, and moving death scene than what we got in Generations. Kirk should have gone out on the Bridge of his ship, saving the lives of his crew, we can all thank the WRITER’S of those movie’s, for not giving the original crew a proper send off.
It was really good to see Mr. Nimoy on the big screen again as Spock, and it’s a real shame Mr. Abrams couldn’t have found a place for Shatner.

197. MJ - June 20, 2011

Why is anyone still debating this. Let’s respect Shat’s realization that it is time for him to move on and move on ourselves.

Harry, others, our minority opinion has been vindicated here by the Shat’s “come to Jesus” realization here!

I must say that my respect level for the Shat has risen significantly based on this.

198. Phil - June 20, 2011

No Shat….as Krik, his dad, uncle, nephew, a Klingon, a ghost, or any on the one-off TOS characters…

Thank you Mr. Shatner for your contribution to the franchise, and thanks again for recognizing your Kirk ship has sailed….

199. MJ - June 20, 2011

@190 “The “Shat in the film” supporters are an even smaller subset of fans. Of course their numbers are larger on this site. But there aren’t enough of them to dramatically boost ticket sales, and there certainly aren’t enough of them to justify a plot contrivance in the new film just to please that minority.”

Yes, well said. And I think JJ, the studio and the Shat himself now realize this. Shat playing Kirk is no longer marketable based on Shat’s age and appearance and also given that the public has embraced the new Pine version of Kirk.

200. MJ - June 20, 2011

@198 “Thank you Mr. Shatner for your contribution to the franchise, and thanks again for recognizing your Kirk ship has sailed….”

Agreed — thanks Mr. Shatner!!!

201. DaiMonRon - June 20, 2011

@ Canon Schmanon #190

If we were to poll the the general public, the box labeled “Who gives a sh!t” would be the most selected. That would be much less heartening to us all!

Thanks for sharing your opinion politely. Very refreshing!

Take care

202. Red Dead Ryan - June 20, 2011

I guess the one bad thing resulting from the (expected) delay of the sequel will be the 1 and a half to two years of debating whether William Shatner will appear. I’m in favor of a cameo right now, but I have to admit that I may end up changing my mind as time goes on.

203. Canon Schmanon - June 20, 2011

201. DaiMonRon – Thanks. I know I’ve not always been as civilized as I should be, and I chalk that up to uncontrollable stress factors in my life. I’m much better behaved in real life than I am in this forum.

I agree with your “who gives a shit” assessment. I’m fairly certain, however, that if they polled all those who attended Abrams’ Trek film, the majority would express a “No Shat” opinion. In the end, that’s who the producers, writers and actors must please, and it’s important to take this new version away from the old version. That’s what they did with Nimoy in the last film. No reason to do it again.

204. BringBackKirkPrime - June 20, 2011

Bring back the Shat!

205. MJ - June 20, 2011

@202. RDR, you need to read the article here? The issue is closed. No more need for debate. Shat “saw his shadow” here and realized that “the winter” without him playing Kirk will be final.

206. Daoud - June 20, 2011

@205. B.S. Shatner is Kirk forever. I can prove it by going home and putting in a movie, or an episode…. Or going to cbs.com and watching any TOS episode. I think he hasn’t “seen his shadow”… he realizes that “Kirk Lives!” and that he will always be Kirk… and that he doesn’t need a throwaway cameo, or a story trick to make it so. Although he, Shatner, ages… his portrayal of Kirk lives on like Methuselah.

207. dmduncan - June 20, 2011

There actually IS a good argument NOT to have Shatner in the sequel: There’s no natural way for the writers to put him in it.

The Shatner scene written for ST.09 WAS natural, and prior to reading that scene I had no strong commitment to having Shatner in any further Star Trek movie. But that scene was so good that it was a shame to lose it.

So that’s the anti Shatner argument, and the only one that makes any sense to make. That his time is passed is bunk. That he’s too old is bunk. That he doesn’t look the same is bunk.

The first bad argument could have been said for the franchise after Nemesis laid down in the coffin and pulled the lid over itself. “Star Trek is dead. Time to move on.”

So shoo shoo you bad argument. Git now, HYAH! (cracking whip sound fills the air).

As for the second two arguments — a) Shatner is too old and b) Shatner doesn’t look the same. Yawn. You rouse me with this ruckus?! Shatner looks GREAT, at least as good as the 73 year old Anthony Hopkins.

So either those who make those second two bad arguments didn’t see Thor, or they are conveniently ignoring how great a job they did making Hopkins look young again.

So that’s it. The ONLY good argument for not putting Shatner in the sequel is that there’s no place for him in it, and anybody who cares about seeing a great movie would rather Shatner NOT be in it than to see him jammed in somewhere it doesn’t really make story-sense for him to be.

Not because he’s too old, not because he doesn’t look the same, not because his time has passed, not because he’s going to out-Kirk Chris Pine, NOT because Shatner has so much luster that he’ll make everybody else look like tarnished silver.

Blah, blah. And blah.

208. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2011

dm, I agree with your first two “blah”s, but that third one was overkill, my friend!

209. MJ - June 20, 2011

@206. Well we are in agreement on that — his existing work as Kirk is timeless, but he isn’t. So, despite you thinking that we have different positions here, you will be surprised to know that I am in full agreement…as you said: “and that he doesn’t need a throwaway cameo, or a story trick to make it so. Although he, Shatner, ages… his portrayal of Kirk lives on like Methuselah.”

Exactly! The Shat moves on but his portrayal of Kirk (STV and Generations perhaps excepted) lives forever. Sure! Agreed!

210. MJ - June 20, 2011

@208 “dm, I agree with your first two “blah”s, but that third one was overkill, my friend!”

Yep, me too.

211. MJ - June 20, 2011

@208. Not to mention the audacity of the comparison between Anthony Hopkins and Shatner? What next, are we going to compare Sir. Alec Guiness to Jack Lord? LOL

212. dmduncan - June 20, 2011

208. Harry Ballz – June 20, 2011

And I thought the whip cracking would be controversial.

211. MJ – June 20, 2011

The comparison was regarding their APPEARANCE; Shat is older but he actually looks younger than Hopkins, imo.

213. MJ - June 20, 2011

@212. Hmm. Well very large people tend to have chubby faces that hide their wrinkles age lines, in addition to oily skin, which also reduces the look of age. If Shat were to drop from let’s conservatively say, 270 pounds to 190 pounds, and knock off the late night trips to Taco Bell and KFC, then IMHO he would look much older.

214. Canon Schmanon - June 20, 2011

Shat has also had more cosmetic surgery than Hopkins. Especially around the eyes.

215. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 20, 2011

I am pleased that Shatner has made a statement of fact – No, he will not be in the sequel. With all the apparent indecisiveness around, it is a pleasant surprise.

MJ – Please – lay off going on about what you suppose are Shatner’s eating habits and his weight. You know nothing. Stop being offensive. What is with you, honestly?

216. Phil - June 20, 2011

@215…I don’t know that I’d put it the way MJ did, but lets face it, you don’t assume the proportions of Santa Claus without the jolly old elf’s diet. Granted, if he did drop 75 pounds he would need the resulting cosmetic work, which would then invite unflattering comparisons to Joan Rivers…

217. MJ - June 20, 2011

@215. Keachick, I apologize if I offended you. The Shat has been known to be fond of deep frying in oil his Thanksgiving turkeys, so I did make a bit of humerous comment about him liking KFC — which is deep fried chicken. I mean, he’s probably not eating Jenny Craig meals to get that big, right?

218. MJ - June 20, 2011

@216. Yes Phil, you put it more kinder than I. My comment was admittedly a little over the top, but certainly not over the Shat’s belt width. :-)

219. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 20, 2011

The truth is none of us know William Shatner. We are not his personal trainer, his medical physician, wife and/or cook/housekeeper. Lots of people will make an exception in terms of whatever diet they may be on for special days like Thanksgiving or a birthday and have a little something they know is nice but also naughty. That does not mean they are eating that kind of food every day.

I do take offense on behalf of a family member who battles obesity. It was brought about initially by a couple of injuries which left the person incapacitated and in a lot of pain. He became his generally more active self, however the pain hasn’t/doesn’t go away. The result of all this is obesity and constant pain. He has always been careful about his diet and loves to power walk. He is on pain and diabetes medication. It seems that no matter what he does, in terms of diet and exercise, he is still fat, yes, FAT. There is still a hell of a lot the medical profession DON’T know about the body pain-sensing and coping mechanisms and metabolism, which affects how the body deals with fats and sugars.

As I said, you know nothing and don’t presume to know anything just because you happen to read somewhere that William Shatner wanted to cook a turkey in peanut oil for Thanksgiving – one day in a whole bleedin’ year! Enough already.

220. MJ - June 20, 2011

Hey I’m a tad fat myself at 230, so I am qualified to comment on being fat. So there!

221. MJ - June 20, 2011

And I feel sympathy for your family member — hope they get well soon. But if he lives to 80 and then decides he wants to play a healthy starship captain in the 23rd century in a major sf movie, then we will part ways on my support. :-)

222. dmduncan - June 20, 2011

220. MJ – June 20, 2011

Hey I’m a tad fat myself at 230, so I am qualified to comment on being fat. So there!

***

All this time I thought you were shaking a clenched fist at Shatner, and it turns out to be clutching a bratwurst!

223. Todd Propst - June 20, 2011

Star Trek has so much potential, but they just don’t seem to utilize it. what about all that state of the art animation they have available to the Movie director’s these days. look at what they did for Jeff Bridges in the last Tron Movie, with the reverse aging process. the Books that Shatner wrote would make for amazing animated movies,…Just sayin.
this is kind of becoming similar to fans begging for a Led Zepplin Reunion, haha

224. MJ - June 20, 2011

@222 “All this time I thought you were shaking a clenched fist at Shatner, and it turns out to be clutching a bratwurst!”

Busted! Well a bag of Fritos and a Coke, anyway. :-))

225. Tom - June 20, 2011

A couple of gripes for tonight.
1. Where is Bob Orci’s comments on this?? I know he is busy on the script(Hooray!) but a bit of info on this would help. Too much time spent on Quantum theory and conspiracy theories. What about the Shat!!

2. Anthony usually would be all over this trying to confirm it with Bob or someone else in the know. Did Shatner hear it from JJ? Is he making an assumption because they haven’t called??We all know the @#$%^ that Shat sometimes says at these events is hot air and ploys. Next conventionn at Boston he’ll probably say he is waiting to hear from JJ. I thought he would get the answers. He usually does

3. The group of writers always say they do take fan input seriously. If so why wouldn’t they use the holgram scene that has been so positively received on this site. Even Shat detractors have said it would have been ok to include the scene.

4. Shat does not do cameos. If i see another you tube clip of him singing FU, i will get sick. It’s ok to parody and do it at your own expense but to not want a cameo in a trek movie is ridiculous. All depends on how bad he really wanted to be in the movie

5.Not a gripe but a suggestion. Many people on this site have suggested using the cameo during a post credit scene. Great idea. How about asking Bill and Leonard what they think the last exchange between Kirk and Spock would be like(no horses or full figured ladies)? Then film it and run it post credit as a final gift to the fans. This could be alone or in addition to the hologram scene? So Bob if you are checking in, what do you think?

Ok that is enough for tonight…

226. David - June 20, 2011

I think the sequel should stand on its own, but then we have the ultimate smackdown between Kirk and mirror Kirk (play by the Shat himself). He’s pissed about what happened in the episode (and what ultimately led to the DS9 arc) and has been seeking a way to get back in the other Kirk’s universe and stop those events from occurring, only low and behold this universe has been changed Abrams style of course and now mirror Kirk and Pine Kirk must square off in the battle that might just restore the original crew to the Prime Timeline. And I mean can’t you just see Chris Pine yelling out the immortal new Star Trek scream, “KIIIIIIIRRRRRKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” and then repeated three or four times getting fainter everytime! Bob, Alex, JJ give me a call. I’ll got a decent story map drawn out.

227. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 20, 2011

It seems that Shatner is not expecting to play anyone in the Star Trek sequel, however, there are many here who cannot accept that fact. This has got to make it hard for Shatner, the Bad Robot team and possibly Chris Pine as well. Really it has come the time for people to accept William Shatner’s statement and wish him well in the projects he does want to do and is able to pursue, like the Captains documentary.

I am uncertain as to whether William Shatner has ever demanded to play prime Kirk in this new Star Trek film series or if it has just been fans who have wanted him to do this.

OK MJ – so I am a bit on the overweight side as well – they do say being overweight/obese is at epidemic proportions in affluent western countries. I don’t need to read rude, snide fat remarks made about anybody though. It is just “not cricket”, so the old expression goes… William Shatner has not made every little detail of his personal life’s ups and downs a matter for public scrutiny. However, it is clear he has lost weight and he looks all the better for it. And, best of all, he no doubt feels better as well! Now, if I could lose 10-15 kilos…

228. Red Dead Ryan - June 20, 2011

William Shatner may have said no to being in the sequel in this article, but we must take it with a grain of salt. None of the writers haven’t ruled him out, and Shatner will most likely get a copy of the script which includes the hologram scene to which he can say yes or no. Until we get an answer from the writers and/or J.J Abrams, then its all still up in the air.

229. MJ - June 20, 2011

@228. In this article inferred rather decisively that he had found this out from JJ, who he has communicated with recently on this topic.

230. Red Dead Ryan - June 20, 2011

229.
……

Nah, “inferred” is not the same as “verified” or “proven”. Until Bob Orci comes on this site and definitely says one way or the other whether Shatner will or will not be in the sequel it is just speculation. Or if by some unfortunate circumstance Shatner dies between now and when the film is being shot. Unless that (hopefully does not) happen, its going to be at least another 1 1/2 to 2 years of guessing.

231. Katie G. - June 20, 2011

Here we go ’round again…

232. MJ - June 20, 2011

@230

If it swims like a fish, smells like a fish, feels like a fish, looks like a fish and tastes like a fish…

…it probably is a fish.

233. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2011

This just in…………..Shatner is STILL not in the next movie!

234. Canon Schmanon - June 20, 2011

JJ and all the writers and producers and actors, AND Shatner can come out and say, “No, there is no Shatner in the next film” and some people will still not believe it. They’ll say it’s a ruse to throw us off our guard.

Getting them to see reality is like teaching a snake to jump rope – it ain’t gonna happen.

235. MJ - June 20, 2011

Also, when you say, “it is just speculation,”…but it is William Shatner himself who is saying he will not be in it, and also mentioning that he is communication with JJ.

Do we really have to spell it out for you any further? Anthony, in his article here, called this a “definitive declaration” from Shat that he wouldn’t be in the next movie. Case closed in my book, if not yours.

Perhaps you just enjoy this back and forths on Shat on these boards and don’t want the era of this complete waste of times that we all get caught up on these discussions to end? :-))

(don’t worry RDR, Harry and I will be here to set you straight if you must still entertain the notion that Shat should somehow be brought back)

236. MJ - June 20, 2011

@234 “JJ and all the writers and producers and actors, AND Shatner can come out and say, “No, there is no Shatner in the next film” and some people will still not believe it. They’ll say it’s a ruse to throw us off our guard.”

Exactly! It is just not credible at this point. We need to move on from this, people.

237. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2011

Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun (while fireworks explode and people fall about

“Move along, there’s nothing to see here!”

238. MJ - June 20, 2011

@237. I think Harry that you and I deserve at least a small measure of credit for Shat not appearing in the new movie. I remember the older polls where there was a little over 50% of the fans on this site clamoring to have him back in the next movie. Now, I think due in large part to the educational arguments of you, Canon, myself and others, we are seeing this number dwindle to only about 1/4 of fans really wanting Shat in the next film.

In turn, I know that Orci reports the discussions and trends that he sees in the fan posts here to JJ and company. And therefore, I don’t think it is unrealistic to assume that the opinions that we have swayed here (as relayed by Orci) have led the Supreme Court to rule out Shat for the next movie.

Finally, I suspect that based on this, JJ has now made the final call and informed Shat that he will not be in the sequel. And I credit The Shat for realizing that the time has come — I would not be surprised if JJ relayed that the fan base (again, based on some of the discussions here as relayed to JJ by Orci) was lukewarm to Shatner returning.

239. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2011

MJ, in all fairness, Shatner won’t be appearing in the next movie because it doesn’t make sense, not because he can’t do it. There is no way to have him appear as Kirk Prime, not because he’s old, but because his character is DEAD. That, in a nutshell, is it.

It would take a whole movie to resurrect an 80 year old Kirk and they aren’t going to do THAT!

There’s a new wind blowing and it doesn’t involve William Shatner…sorry folks!

240. The 76th Distillation of Blue - June 21, 2011

MJ i hardly doubt that you and your buddies had anything to do with shatner not being in the next movie.

If people on these forums had any influence on the so called supreme court, then they would have listend to the fact that fans didnt want a star trek that felt like star wars.

I for one will be glad when someone else takes the reigns on the trek franchise, hopefully next time it will be a fan of Treks past who can take the best of the past and move forward into the future with new and exciting stories that dont pander to its audience.
would love to see a Brian Singer produced/directed Trek

the only way the supreme court will win me back over at this point is if they say that JJ isnt going to direct, but Nicholas Meyer will.

241. The 76th Distillation of Blue - June 21, 2011

Some of the comments on these threads are down right rude.

242. Brett Campbell - June 21, 2011

241 – You’ve got that right. Usually from the same people — again and again and again and again. Ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.

243. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 21, 2011

#240 – “it will be a fan of Treks past who can take the best of the past and move forward into the future with new and exciting stories that dont pander to its audience.”

LOL “that don’t pander to its audience”? Who should these new and exciting stories pander to? You, and only you? I know – Giant and Red Panders? Does China allow its population to watch Star Trek movies? I mean – think about the panders!

Sorry – couldn’t resist.

244. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 21, 2011

#243 Oops Misspellings here. They are giant pandas and red pandas – the ones writers obviously need to pander to…

BTW, on TV right now is the movie “Idiocracy”. Scary stuff! Beware – watching it may be “doing my head in”, hence…:)

245. Danpaine - June 21, 2011

238. MJ – June 20, 2011

That is one of THE most conceited things I’ve heard anyone say in a long time, good for you.

Yeah, of course YOU personally had something to do with Shatner not being in the movie.

Of course you did.

No point in being full of yourself without showing it off….

246. Admiral_Bumblebee - June 21, 2011

238

That’s the biggest bullshit I’ve ever read.
I think I am dumber now because I had to read this…

247. Daoud - June 21, 2011

Okay, Adam Sandler.

248. VOODOO - June 21, 2011

MJ #238

If you were to open that poll to non dorks who come to sites like this and think that Voyager and Enterprise were great versions of Star Trek and can’t understand why they aren’t making DS9 movies these days, I’m willing to bet that number would go to 70% pro Shatner.

To most people (not uber ST geeks) Shatner and Nimoy-Kirk/Spock are Star Trek.

249. Phil - June 21, 2011

As odd as it sounds Shatner seems to have made peace with the fact that after the Captains project id complete, his turn as Kirk, at least as far as the big screen is concerned, is over. Let the man ride off into the sunset with some level of dignity, people…..

250. Tom - June 21, 2011

THR: Do you guys ever write scenes into the script that you know aren’t going to be in the movie?

Orci: We wrote a scene for William Shatner at the end of the movie where Spock, played by Leonard, gives his young self, played by Zach Quinto, something he’d kept with him. And it was basically a recording of Kirk singing “Happy Birthday” to him for the last time before he went off to die in Star Trek VII. J.J. had determined early on that he felt it might seem like it was, a) too small, and b) pandering to the fans a bit. But we wrote it anyway because as a fan you’re always trying to protect that thing where you want to be able to look fans in the eye and say, “We were ready.”

Can they say they were ready for the sequel?? Or has Bill refused this lovely scene??

251. MJ - June 21, 2011

Hilarious that so many of you fell for my post #238. Happy to be of entertainment value to all! :-)) LOL

252. Brett Campbell - June 21, 2011

251 – Um … yeah … right. Nice try at redeeming yourself after making such an ass of yourself. Yeah, we all fell for it, laughing boy. Time to titrate your meds.

253. MJ - June 21, 2011

@252. Sour grapes you fell for it, eh?

Daoud, congrats on being the only one who got the joke!

254. Mark Lynch - June 21, 2011

Apart from WS being too old, it just makes no story sense to waste an entire chunk of the movie just to bring Kirk back.

Let’s be honest do we want to remember Kirk as he looked/acted during Generations or do we want to see a very much more overweight and older looking (no offence intended, it’s just a fact) WS (most likely overacting) as Kirk one more time?

I prefer the former.

255. P Technobabble - June 21, 2011

I’m a big Shatner fan.
Besides that point, I never expected him to be in the sequel, anyway. I don’t think it had anything to do with the fans, either. I’m certainly willing to be proven wrong, but I think in this case the full intention of the writers was to move on and get into the new universe they “created.” Numerous people here, including myself, have, since the release of the first film, said, “Why would the writers go to all the trouble of finding a way to break free of the ball and chain of past Treks, only to go back and rehash it again?” Leonard Nimoy had a major role, and Spock played a major part in the first film, which helped lend credibility to the new direction. Conjuring up a way to put Shatner in that film, or the sequel, truly would be pandering, and what’s the point of that?
And there are all the politics involved — which includes $$$.
And imagine all the impossible fan-boy expectations if Shatner was to be included in the film.
Putting Shatner in the film for sentimental reasons is not reason enough. He already has gone down in history for helping create one of the most iconic figures in tv and sci-fi history. Isn’t that enough?

256. Thomas - June 21, 2011

I posted these comments in a previous thread, but I think it bears repeating here as it is relevant to this topic:

“All this talk has brought to mind some questions and issues I think Trekkiedom is going to have to ask itself and consider in the near future:

-How long can we go on “honoring the past” before we run the risk of sacrificing the future? What I mean is, how long can we (or should we) keep demanding new roles for previous Trek actors (especially if it means reviving their old characters) before it gets to the point that the quality of new Trek begins to suffer? If Trek is about the new and unknown, how can fandom as a whole keep demanding the same-old same-old? Why should the producers or studio feel beholden to any one actor or personality who came before? The previous cast had their time to shine, and I hope it was a good one, but this cast and crew needs to stand on its’ own now. Please understand this is not meant to be disrespectful to anyone, but I feel it is a salient point.

-Trek is currently in a period of renewal. The success of the last movie among critics and general audiences has brought Trek back into the public consciousness. When I heard that J.J. Abrams was going to be involved, I knew instantly that the movie would have broader appeal. I didn’t know how, but I knew that it would. I knew people who were never interested to Trek who suddenly took interest when J.J. became involved. That said, there is the issue of new audiences and what they might like to see. The producers have to make a movie that’s going to haver the broadest possible appeal. They may be considerate of fandom on these matters (kudos to boborci), but at the same time, they can’t make a movie that would appeal more exclusively to the diehard fans than to more casual audiences. Trek needs to be (and should be) accessible, and the last movie made that possible.”

This was originally posted to this article/thread:

http://trekmovie.com/2011/04/08/shatner-still-wants-in-to-star-trek-sequel-talks-generations-death-scene-poll-how-to-bring-back-kirk/

257. Shannon Nutt - June 21, 2011

Did any of you seriously believe there was a chance in hell of Shatner being in the next Star Trek movie?

258. MJ - June 21, 2011

@254 @255 @256 @257

Well put, all.

259. dmduncan - June 21, 2011

Too much bickering over Shatner in the film as an abstract issue. I think most fans would prefer no Shatner to bad Shatner, i.e., to Shatner in the movie and to hell with it making any sense.

I’m not even arguing for his inclusion in the sequel. I’m still too busy trying to convince them to put Shatner in the first movie…

…where Bob poignantly managed to briefly include Kirk prime as a memory that made story sense and was a surprisingly beautiful finishing touch to the story.

Special edition dvd, re-release, or both. I dun care Lucy.

Just Do It, like the Nike commercials say.

And you owe every Star Trek fan, JJ Abrams, who tuned in to your crappy Undercovers TV show to watch Gugu Mbatha Raw risk her beautiful little limbs in confusion over which wire to cut to…

Hell…like I even need to FINISH that sentence…

So how about a bone, bubba wubba Jing Jing?

260. Brett Campbell - June 21, 2011

253 – Keep takin’ those meds. See if there are any for quitting the monopolization threads with repetitive drivel.

Oh, and my grapes are sweeter than ever, just for pissing you off.

261. Harry Ballz - June 21, 2011

Grapes or stones? :>)

262. Brett Campbell - June 21, 2011

253 – Ah, in retrospect, my comment at 260 is too pissy. Harry has pointed it out to me. I apologize. Peace.

How you doin’, Harry?

263. Jonboc - June 21, 2011

JJ likes mysteries…not saying that this is a diversion…but knowing how this team, in particular, doesn’t like to show all their cards, they could easily be planning “something sneaky” if they were so inclined.. Seeing how they brilliantly pulled off the surprise premier in Austin, they are more than capable of pulling off jaw dropping surprises. If this were the case…not saying it is…but IF this were the case, Shatner would be the first to deny his involvement, even if he were involved. It’s how these guys roll….just sayin’.

264. MJ - June 21, 2011

@260 @262. You don’t piss me off, you make me laugh, dude. I apologize as well. The Shat stuff does not bring out the best in me — let’s just leave it at that.

Peace!

265. Greg2600 - June 21, 2011

I think Shatner is feeling what I’m feeling, he simply no longer cares whether he’s in the movie. I think it’s very sad. JJ should have put him in the 2009 version with Nimoy, both LIVING and allowed to act and play off one another again. He should have had the guts to do that, and said to hell with the stupid canon. Heck, I saw Super 8, I loved it, but several of the things written in that movie were preposterously unrealistic. I’m not going to chastise him. Haters of Trek are going to hate regardless. He should have done it. For this sequel, it’s no longer really relevant. If it wasn’t scenes with Nimoy, I simply don’t want to see it.

266. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - June 21, 2011

Hey folks. Haven’t visited in awhile. Looks like the ‘sad/bbk” vote is winning 54% -46%! Since Star Trek is founded on a certain nostalgia, I think it would be nice to have him back. This isn’t important stuff, it is just a movie designed to entertain. I would find Shatner entertaining. That’s just me. I understand the opposite view, I just beg to differ.

Oh well.

267. Brett Campbell - June 21, 2011

264 – “The Shat stuff does not bring out the best in me — let’s just leave it at that.” Me either. Agreed. Peace.

266 – Nice to have you back, and you sum it up beautifully. I’d like to seem him one last time as Kirk also, but that’s just me too.

268. MJ - June 21, 2011

@266. Good to hear from you, GLCWAUSMSAE — haven’t seen a post from you in a long time.

269. Harry Ballz - June 21, 2011

262.

Brett, if I was doing any better I’d have to FRANCHISE myself!

How are you?

270. Katie G. - June 21, 2011

Just like a good death in Star Trek history, this “will-Shatner-be-in-J.J.’s-movie” argument has resurrected itself. Other than the theory of evolution, this has got to be the oldest argument in the history of… well… history!

Harry… grapes or stones? Really.

And MJ… Brett…

I’m impressed!!

Haven’t been here for a while. Usually these threads get REALLY, I mean REALLY ugly and Anthony has to step in to officiate and/or shut it down. Glad to see the good attitudes.

And, to risk an all-out war, I’ll use a Star Wars quote:

“Impressive. MOST impressive.”

Don’t worry… Everything else in my house is Star Trek only.

:-D

ktg

271. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 22, 2011

#178 – “I’ll be beyond disappointed if Pike isn’t in the sequel. That’s why i’m here and i don’t think I ever post anything here without bringing up Bruce Greenwood or Pike. I don’t bother with the other cast–they’ll be there anyway. I just hope to see Pike there too!!”

I have taken to calling the seven cast members/characters the “magnificent seven”, but if we include Pike (Bruce Greenwood, of course), then they could called the Super Eight! That sounds even better, I think.

Yeah – Star Trek’s Super 8!

272. bateman - June 22, 2011

I like William Shatner but I think the biggest reason he wasn’t in the first one and possibly the second is that his ego is getting in the way. I think he wants way more than just a cameo.

273. Janice - June 22, 2011

#271—-Keachick

I definitely think we should include Bruce/ Pike and call the cast “Star Trek’s Super 8″ ! Way better than Magnificent Seven!

I wish I’d thought of that. Here’s hoping Pike is there!!

274. Gene L Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - June 22, 2011

@266/267

Thanks for the kind words! I am out here lurking, I have just been focusing on work and baseball. I coach my 7 year old son’s little league team, and we just finished our season. My other three girls are finishing their school year as well, and we have been pretty busy. Dance recitals, HS band, summer plans etc etc…

275. Tom - June 22, 2011

272

If that is the case (it wouldn’t be surprising) then JJ and team can certainly say they did their best. I think even the most staunch Shat supporters would agree that the expectation should never have been a large role. Bill said he wished he could have been a part of the rebirth of Star Trek. Well i think a cameo is still being a part of it. If they didn’t offer anything then all the “desparately trying” talk really holds no water.

276. Brett Campbell - June 22, 2011

270 – Katie G. Thank you. You’re sweet. I’m usually a peace-lovin’ guy who can get a little pissy sometimes, especially if I feel a certain individual who contributed enormously to Trek is getting unduly “Shat” upon. But, as Scotty said in “Tribbles,” “everyone is entitled to an opinion.” And I’m trying to learn to call myself out when I’m being unfair or unduly pissy.

274 – You’re welcome! Nice to have you back! You sound like a very good father indeed!

Harry — I’m doing fine. I resigned from my job because I couldn’t my belligerent boss any longer, and I am looking for a job more commensurate with now having a Ph.D. Any English professor jobs in Canada?

Peace and IDIC to everyone — Trekkie, Trekker, “Warser” or otherwise.

Trekmovie — thanks for giving us news continually while we wait for the next studio Trek project.

277. Brett Campbell - June 22, 2011

… couldn’t TAKR my belligerent boss …

278. Brett Campbell - June 22, 2011

TAKE!!

it’s going to be a typonian-invasion day. ;(

279. Jack - June 22, 2011

270. I’m usually a peace-lovin’ guy who can get a little pissy sometimes, especially if I feel a certain individual who contributed enormously to Trek is getting unduly “Shat” upon.

I’d be thrilled if we could disagree without slamming the people we’re disagreeing with.

280. Brett Campbell - June 22, 2011

279 – Yes, exactly! RESPECTFULLY agree to disagree. Right on!

281. Harry Ballz - June 22, 2011

276.

Brett, you should submit your cv to McGill and tell them you know Shatner!

You’d be a shoe-in! :>)

282. Brett Campbell - June 22, 2011

Harry – LOL! That’s great! Will they accept doctors who actually had to write dissertations?

You gave me a good laugh, my friend. And I needed one today. Thanks!!

283. Harry Ballz - June 22, 2011

Brett, my pleasure!

284. David P - June 23, 2011

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WAKE UP JJ

285. Michael Turner - June 25, 2011

Since the new crew is in a new story line, the franchise can re-birth start trek and get it right. The new franchise re-invents star trek and they need to run with it. They need to also stop writing scripts where there are “time line” changes, although with this first movie they didn’t have a choice but to do that since they needed the “alternate reality”. There are a couple things that JJ needs to avoid at all costs they are –

1. Avoid using a Shatner story line,
2. Avoid the Borg,
3. Avoid “Q” and

4. Most of all…. be original to the new crew with their own challenges and story.

5. If any of the actors don’t come back for the “next” movie, kill their character – don’t replace the character by using a different actor.

286. ItsOver - June 26, 2011

If they didn’t use the WONDERFUL idea Orci had for Shat in the first film I doubt JJ will consider anything for the sequel. That was the perfect way to get Shat in the movie and they blew it. Even the Anti-Shatner camps know there was nothing wrong with that written scene, and it WOULD HAVE BEEN one of the great trek moments of all time. Great job JJ. Now Shat will die and this will have just been a missed opportunity. Time to move on, Shat will never be in a JJ Abrams Star Trek.

287. dmduncan - June 26, 2011

Not doing the Shatner scene was a blown opportunity and a bad decision to not even try on JJ’s part. That would have ended the movie with strong emotion the way the movie began, and I don’t see how JJ doesn’t know this.

The Shatner scene was, ultimately, the letting go of what was to let the new begin, and I think it’s more than a little coincidental that JJ used that device in Super 8 in the form of a locket holding a picture (memory) of the boy’s mother. In Star Trek the locket was holographic and it was Spock’s memory of Kirk which he lets go, and in Super 8 the locket was more traditional with a photo of the boy’s mom, but in both movies (or at least what would have been the case for Star Trek) there is a powerful scene invoking a powerful memory which a main character let’s go of to move on.

Call me conspiratorial if you must, but I feel like JJ shorted we Star Trek fans. The only question is did JJ know he was shorting us or not?

All this BS about it doesn’t fit into his vision of the film…come on man.

I made some films. I know what it is to have your vision down between the sprockets. And I’m not buying that line.

So you make an alternate version that is NOT your vision, and you put it on DVD at the LEAST. I wouldn’t have any problem doing that if it were MY film because that wouldn’t alter MY vision anymore than ST.09 alters anything about TOS. I’d give the damn alternate cut to the fans and I wouldn’t lose anything in the deal. Heck, I might even make a few more friends.

288. Red Dead Ryan - June 26, 2011

J.J Abrams was more concerned about the mainstream audience. I guess he didn’t want to turn them off with a percieved “fanboy’s wet dream” moment featuring an old actor from some show made in the sixties.

Even though Bob Orci wrote the Kirk hologram scene beautifully. It would have been the perfect closure.

289. Captain Robert April - June 28, 2011

Just bring Shatner on as the Mirror Kirk to be Chris Pine’s adversary. Yes Bill is old, but he could be the puppet master for any Trek villain (Khan, Borg, or something entirely new.) This would satisfy Shatner’s “I don’t do cameo’s” hangup.

Pine’s Kirk then has to overcome the odds and a version of himself to save the Abramsverse.

At the end you can have a small cameo scene where you reunite Shatner’s Kirk (not the Mirror Kirk) and Nimoy’s Spock in their original time-line, post generations (with no explanations) and be done with it.

Not very hard to do, really.

290. Captain Gorn - July 9, 2011

I Gorn of Gerialian Empire do hereby challange Kirk of the Federation starship Enterprise, to a dual on a nuetral planet. Our last battle was rudely interupted by the meddling shiny beings and I demand a rematch. Kirk is such a puny human and there was no way he could have defeated me except for being helped. This time I will crush him with my bare claws!
Oh..tell Uhura she can sit on my bridge anytime.

Gorn out!

291. Dogen - July 11, 2011

I once asked Shatner if he remembered certain TOS episodes and he had little intrest in discussing them. He has long dissed his role as Kirk and seemed to have had little appreciation for the adoration he recieves.

BUT, that does not mean he should not be in the next movie. Comon, this is the ST universe where all is possible. Time travel and alternate multiverses makes anything workable.

They just have to make the storyline meld and make sense. If Nimoy can do it, why not the man that started it all??

292. TOSfromwayback - July 18, 2011

I’d like to see Shatner again but would be difficult not to be contrived. Not beacsue Kirk is dead, because would require a device to have an “old” Kirk and “young” Kirk, just as Star Trek did with Spock.
But the comments (including by Abrams) that Shatner can’t appearr because Kirk dead are ludricous. How could we watch Star Trek with Chris Pine if Kirk is dead? Because of the timeline – it’s start of 5 year mission. So Shatner as Kirk could easily appear if the time setting was sometime before Veridian. Because the show and movies for the most part were sequential, everyone assumes that continues. Obviously by having TOS movies after TNG and having Star Trek movie recently that is not true. The movie simply has to set the timeline.
I liked Sherlock Homles movie a couple years ago even though Mr Holmes likley died many years ago.

293. Bones Rodriguez - July 25, 2011

Please, Please, Please- BRING BACK SHATNER!!!!

294. scottodono - February 23, 2012

I do not think he should have a big part but he should have a cameo. He’s 80 years old. If he is not in it now, he will never be Kirk again.

295. CAROL PARTAIN - May 14, 2012

I THINK HE SHOULD BE IN IT. EVEN WITH A SMALL ROLE. IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO BRING HIM BACK IN HIS CHARACTOR HE PUT TOGETHER IN THE THE 60S. AND BEYOND. IT IS ONLY RIGHT. SO WHAT IF KIRK WAS KILLED OFF. THEY BROUGHT BACK SPOCK. WHY NOT KIRK. THEY COULD FIND A way.

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